Warhammer 40k general /40kg/

>>55409165
RIP cogboys, I am so fucking sorry, you deserved better.

>>55409165
Lucius a best, Mars can go suck a mechadendrite.

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By the blood of martyrs, His eternal will is manifest

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>>55409189
What the hell happened?

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Update on my Thousand Sons.

Ideas on colour scheme?

I think a darker blue than the Thousand Sons blue could look cool? Trims gold still probably.

Why did GW make Admech an afterthought? They didn't have to rush out the codex.

>>55409204
You are now 7th Orks.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=daG1Pgr94zA

Ad Mech review. Warning: Very salty. Only a few relics/warlord traits are good. Most things the same, a few tiny buffs. Best FW is Stygies 8 or Lucius.

Fuck waiting for FoC, from the look of this it's going to be more of the same shit.

I'm going back to 7th, it's shit, but at least it's shit with flavour. 8th is the nutrient paste of tabletop, functional but flavourless.

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reposting if needed for new thread

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>>55409213
And here I thought the Necrons got it bad.

>>55409206
>anubis doghead 1ksons
>1ksons
>Dogs
Dear lord, the irony
KEK

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Reposting a few images from my wednesday game. No batrep, since the other guy had to leave early.

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>>55409223

>>55409204
You didn't get anything special. Some of the stratagems are okay, but there's no new units and the "chapter tactics" are similar to other ones revealed so far.

>>55409204
No new units, no "teleports behind you" knights, and infiltrators got nerfed again.

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>>55409230

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Looking to start painting up some Raven Guard, but I'm running in conflicting claims of what colours their right pauldron trim is supposed to be, everywhere I check has different colours for tactical/assualt/etc

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>>55409236

>>55409206
why jackals, why not birbs

>>55409206
Go full anubis color scheme
Black head
Yellow Armor color
With blue and white stripes as the secondary color
gold and brass colored metal bits.

>>55409203
*childish shooting noises*

>>55409204
What everyone who isn't delusional knew was going to happen:

Your codex is a 99% copy/paste of the index, with 4 pages of generic and derivative stratagems, warlord traits, and relics added on.

In short: You got the 8th edition treatment.

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>>55409253
That skull relic is totally bonkers yo

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Let's start this off with terminators. Which armor variant is your favorite?
Legions, if you could have your special variants ported into 40k would you? What armor type would you want them to be?

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>>55409247

>>55409204
Salty review. Everyone is meming that AdMech are terrible now.

you can summon after disembarking.

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>>55409271
and that is all I got

>>55409236
What really gets me was half this shit was wargear, they fucking took away our wargear (Of which we had very little choice in to begin with) and turned it into fucking Stratagems.

This is the fate that awaits the factions that aren't being given new stuff to sell, pucker up.

>>55409220
If you're the blandposter good fucking riddance. I've been waiting for you to finally fucking leave.

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>>55409275

>>55409287
Thanks for the effort but why the fuck did you take pictures of like 1/4 of the pages, your hand covering the rest?

>>55409204
People are buttmad that ad mech aren't the most powerful thing ever because a few legitimate issues didn't get fixed.
General /tg/ overreaction, turn a legitimate complaint into meaning that everything is fucked, and you should just burn your models now.

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>>55409165
What was your first ever model, /40kg/? When did you get it?

>>55409281
You can be reported after shitposting

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>>55409306

>>55409316
GK Strike Squad. March/April 2014.

Necron stratagem:
3CP
The rest of the game, the cover of darkness rules apply.

>>55409311
It's from youtube.

>>55409303
Not that guy, but I can see his point. The game is more balanced now but it's just not as fun by far.

Starcraft 2 is an extremely balanced game but by god is it a fucking slog. C&C Generals is a mess, especially with the bloat from the Zero Hour generals, but it's fucking fun.

>>55409316
A box of grots in 2008.

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>>55409274
>Let's start this off with terminators. Which armor variant is your favorite?
The good old one without the horns coming from the face

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>no new HQ option besides Cawl and Dominus (?)
>no new stuff besides knights which are hamfisted(?) in
>salty review up front
Hm, I expected something like that. Shame. At least we won't become WAAC-fags. I'll still play my 'mediocre' AdMech and will always love them.

I'll make technology great again. I promise. What about you fellow brothers? Hiw do you feel?

>>55409311
Not my book.
I was taking screenshots of the Codex Review, guy blocks off stuff a ton so it is a struggle to get a good cap.

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>>55409274
I like tartaros and cataphractii equally.

Lerneans in 40k will never happen because "le ebin chaos can't maintain weapons" as the squad comes stock in 30k all wielding volkite guns. They'd be cataphractii.

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>>55409316
I ventured into a hobby shop destined to fail located in a valley girl mall one day with my late grandfather, one of the few times we had spent together (mother was estranged from the family, cousins got to see poppop more)
The very meager 40k selection that consisted of a few blisters caught my eye and they were bought for me. I was maybe 9.

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>>55409274
What you posted, before they were turned to dust

>>55409349
Disagree entirely. Stratagems offer a tone of options that simply did not exist before. Plus armies that aren't marines with drop pods generally have far more viable mobility options than they did in 7th. The game is simply better to actually play.

>>55409371
Enginseer is HQ

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>>55409371
Hanging in there, gonna keep with my men for now as well, lucky for me I have a friend that mains marines that focuses in melee so at least allying with him will still be fun.

>>55409345
>>55409373
link?

>>55409225
Necrons arent shit, anon.
They're just boring as fuck to play as and against. Seriously, can any necron player here on this board explain to me their appeal? (models aside for a moment)
We had 2 "fulltime" cron players at our shop. The first played a cheesy, but fun and interesting bike/wraithspam list. He put his crons on a shelf for 8th cause he couldnt bear playing them effectively, it bored the crap out of him.
The other guy does exactly what he did in 7th. Set up his warriors in the middle of his deployement zone. Hide hus charaxters inside the blob. Walk to the midfield. Thats it. Every single fucking game. No tactics, no interesting deployments, no nothing. Then he gets salty when his dudes die and gets obnoxious when they come back to life.
At least most games I can kinda try to guess at unit movement and my opponents tactics, but with necrons, its the same shit everytime. Even when some random dude shows up for a game with crons, its the exact same thing.
How do you enjoy that? Atleast in previous editions, most monobuild codexes had some quirky thing or two about them.

Looks like being early in the codex queue isn't all that great as usual
t. Orks and Necrons

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Questions.

Does anyone know what shotgun arm this is?

Also, do the genestealer neophyte legs fit on the chaos renegade bodies? Haven't seen images of them.

>>55409371
Pretty much everything non-Space Marine is getting fucked with the new releases. Apparently you only get new goodies if you're wearing power armor.

>>55409411
Uh. There's only been one non Marine book. And half the Marine books didn't get new models either.

>>55409396
Oh fuck I missed that. That's what you get watching saltmine reviews on a phone while being tipsy. Thanks

>>55409398
That sounds nice

>>55409411
I wished for a more potent instrument of liberation. In the end we got our knights back in a way which kinda seems like it was a last minute push-in.

>>55409404
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=daG1Pgr94zA

>>55409349
SC2 actually removed a lot of the unit diversity by fixing the pathing. In Brood war, every unit paths differently, so optimal control of one unit will not be optimal control of another. It's hard to master how to control all the units in brood war, even in the same faction.

This lets you develop your own unique style as you get better at the game. You can become the player with the crazy zergling micro, or the player with the great reaver drops, etc, etc. It means even at the highest levels of play, players are extremely different from each other, and every game is a pleasure to watch.

SC2 removed the pathing quirks. Now every high skilled player is a virtual clone of each other, games all play out the same ways, etc.

Now, one caveat is that brood war was a balanced game. 7th is not. But still. In removing a large source of unit diversity (for blizzard, this was the pathing, for GW, this was their deliberate homogenization of 40k), the parent company has made the subsequent product worse than the former.

>>55409441
>B-but byun-sempai is special!

>>55409390
What options? The dataspike one that is just a worse version of the dataspike wargear? The cognis one which is just slightly better version of old cognis? Heal something slightly better?

Only ones which are even remotely new are the faction specific ones, and formations had teleporting Kataphrons before. The rest are just shit that was either already in the army in 7th or from formations.

Just finished watching that AdMech review which crushed my enthusiasm for starting them. So it's either Guard or Space Marines. Don't get me wrong I don't feel the need or desire to run a WAAC list, all I want is an army that is competitive, and more importantly has multiple styles of play to mix up every game.

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Post your commanders/characters

pic related, just finished COBRA commander, going to work on Vindicare Baroness next.

>>55409371
Yeah, at least we won't be Waac. I'll keep painting and modeling, though this has killed my project boner for at least a few weeks. I was hoping to take this to tourneys and do well, but Marines it is...

>>55409387
Yeah, that version of Scarab Occult looks really nice too. There's just something about the tartaros version (and tartaros in general) that makes me like it a bit more though, as good as the pre-heresy ones look.
What makes you like those ones more? I'm kinda curious

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>>55409274
Tartaros is pretty neat even if you don't see it as often

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>>55409316
kabalites, last september

I'm working to strip all but one of my first kit, but I didn't use GW paint and the paint isn't coming off in greenstuff.

>>55409478
>Expecting to be competitive in 40k: Primarch Edition without a Primarch

Maybe you'll get Scoria at some point

>>55409471
For safety go marines, I hold no hopes for Guard after their Index and the Admech Codex.

I honestly think Catachan will just have the -1 to hit rule, Cadia maybe having a morale bonus

>>55409478
FW is your only hope anon.

>>55409316
big bag of the monopose goff orks and gretchin from one of the really old 40k starter sets, got em from a charity shop for like £1

>>55409507
mark my words, catachan will have a +1 conditional bonus to survival, and some ability that allows them to deploy within 9 inches of the enemy, either by deep strike or infiltration.

GW isn't messing with that archetype, and it will be repeated with every codex.

>>55409495
I prefer Tartaros. It just looks so much cleaner and better than the other Termie variants.

>>55409502
I just wish you could field a decent army without bringing a primarch/special leader. Having every army consist of the same 3 fucking characters is annoying.

>>55409502
He would be a Chaos character and either he would be solo or with an entire new line of Dark mech stuff (Same as old stuff but with spikes) to buy.

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>>55409531
>got em from a charity shop for like £1

>>55409323
>mixed weapon immortals squad

Can you do that? I'm new to this.

>>55409502
Yeah, it's either singular named super power or spamming hordes of cheap shit, and Admech (despite out lore :( ) doesn't do either well.

>>55409515
Would be nice for them to Whip out some insanely OP stuff for us. That'd show those fuckheads not really, I just want everything to be balanced. The DG Codex makes me sad cause it's so well done, and ours feels like a passing after-afterthought.

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Ad Mech aren't broken broken are they?

Feels like they have 1 or 2 lists that work, just without much variety or choice. Grey Knights feel similar.

Space Marines, Chaos Space Marines and Death Guard feel like proper codexes insofar as allowing multiple ways to play without feeling totally gimped.

>>55409441
>one caveat is that brood war was a balanced game
I'd love for 40k players to deal with the relative win rates that brood war players dealt with and see if they call the game balanced. Just look at the composition of the top players over time.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eqpV08b_YOw&t=668s

But you're right that the difficulty of actually playing the game lead to a large diversity in how people played it based upon their own personal strengths. The same thing used to be true for fighting games, which combos were harder to pull off and individual players became known for their specific combos they were good at.

I do wonder if the removal of premeasuring from 40k would bring back a little bit of that skill cap. It would break up the units not only by how "good" they are statistically, but also how hard they are to use properly.

>>55409531
Poor bastards didn't know what they had. You just robbed from the poor anon.

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>>55409487
EPAULETS

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>mfw I see the admech dex

>>55409385
That was actually really well written.

>>55409572
this was about 20 years ago

Any good ways to convert electro-priests?

>>55409599
They'll make for some neat chaos cultists. Maybe add some pestilence, and make them poxwalkers.

>>55409562
You either go Cawl and his posse of robots ft.The Neutron laser light show or go home.

Everything else is pretty shit, Skittles are in that awkward zone of too shit to be shock troops, but too expensive to be chaff, and do neither job very well.

>>55409599
I heard someone saying using stormcast heads with chaos warrior bodies.

>>55409316

A box of the 3 space marines from the local stationary store. I was 7, I'd seen some kids playing it in break time in my schools library and I fell in love instantly.

I still have 1 of those 3, to remind myself how far I've come.

Yo, quick admech question. Do you roll once per Admech detachment, or once and it affects all Admech? That is, could I take a Mars Spearhead of Cawl and 3 Onagers, then take a more traditional Lucius/Ryza/etc rest of the list, and still get Cawl's -1/+1 to everyone?

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>Ad Mech can destroy Magnus or Mortarion in a turn for just 2 command points
>lol they terrible

Remember when Orks and Necrons were going to be utterly broken? When Tzeentch Daemons were the worst?

Now you see one salty video and its game over.

>>55409441
I'm not sure that I would say SC2 was balanced by any stretch of the imagination.
Weren't the first tournaments completely dominated by Hellions?

So... Wasn't Winters supposed to be showing LESS of the codex?
Cause that was what GW told him to do with the DG book. Too salty to care?

>>55409559
I believe so

>>55409507
I know Space Marines are the safer option but I heard good things about IG with their Index, what don't you like about them right now?

>>55409641
How's that?

I need to protect my throbbing red Primarch

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>>55409588
Thanks but I use far too many adverbs when I write.

>>55409501

jesus. you can hardly see anything on the model, what did you use? fucking industrial grade wall paint?

>>55409641
>>Ad Mech can destroy Magnus or Mortarion in a turn for just 2 command points
While I agree that ad mech aren't nearly as bad as people claim, which stratagem does that?

>>55409644
Sc2 is still going on, and blizzard still takes an active role in balance patching based on community feedback. right now, I think it's balanced, but nobody is actually happy with it.

>>55409650
What's there to show of Admech?

Basically everything is already in the Index.

>>55409665
michael's canary yellow thinned down with actual paint thinner.

yeah, I still feel like a retard.

>>55409670
>>55409659
The Mars one. 6s to wound become mortal wounds.

>>55409678
Stratagems, chapter tactics and artifacts are all they got. Plus I think there was some mention of points decrease for vanguard or rangers.

>>55409562
I mean, kinda? Kastellans and onagers are still solid.

Fulgurites are still good.
Ruststalkers, Rangers, Dragons, servitors, and ballistari are still dogshit.
Infiltrators and the dominus are still lame as hell.
Breachers, destroyers, and vanguard are still decent.

You can grab a good build from somewhere in there, but far as I can see corpuscarii and enginseers are the only things that got more attractive in this. The bad thing is it shows how little GW cares, the rules are slapped on and feel dangerously like a test for later releases and the blatant issues (torsion cannons, breacher melee, 2A Infiltrators, ranger AP, vanguard D2 v 2 wound, dominus shittiness, etc.) that anyone could see and quickly fixed weren't even touched.

So tl;dr it's not a total loss but definitely shows GW only cares about more power Armored stuff

>>55409690
Ahh, fishing for 6's

That's retarded, but you tried

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Changes noticed.

The admech codex confirms that if you want an actually fun army, you have to go with one of the specialized codexes like death guard.

Tsons are the last remaining hope for 40k 8th edition.

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>>55409641
>something something Wrath of Mars and Kastallan Dakka Spam for mortals
Yea, Mars gonna be pretty good so far. I'm still thinking about melee-stylish AdMech with Kastallan, ElectroPriests and Dragoons or something. Bring the unexpected. Surprise the enemy.

>>55409695
I'm fairly sure this was all done ages ago and they couldn't be bothered to go back and change anything whilst focusing on the DG book.

Are lictors still shit?

>>55409732
It was probably done 6-3 months ago.

>>55409371
Will still be beep booping, like my army too much

our only hope for a decent and fun admech army now is that FW hurry up and port the taghmata over.

>>55409738
Yes.

>>55409719
Eh, I mean they're not TOTAL UTTER DOGSHIT REEEEE but the Codex is so monobuild (at first glance that is) it's kinda sad. If Skitarii and Kataphrons got a points drop, I'll be happy though.

On the really bright side we can do Detachments well, dominus + 2 enginseers and lots of troops (cause of course) will be pretty solid.

What do we think of dogmas? So far I think
Good:
>graia, stygies
Interesting:
>lucius, mars
Into the trash is goes:
>ryza, Metallica, agripinaa

>>55409738
They're not worth the two slots it'd take to be as good as a single deathleaper.

>>55409663
Keep writing and work on it, you have some skill.

>>55409777
>>55409764
Dammit one of these days

>>55409763
>GW "What do you mean it's better than our version? Start over again"

>>55409765
How are Graia any good.

>>55409807
It's only good if you spam 1 wound units. So it's not good.

hahahahaha, where are you now GWIDF?

Bland as fuck.

>>55409765
mars is the best simply because of cawl. Every ad mech army should have a patrol of lucius for deep striking goodness

>>55409814
Its true.

All of it.

Burning my army. brb

>>55409831
Film it sweetie

>>55409807
The WL trait is amazing, and the 6+++ isn't bad either, negating the flat killing blow can be useful if it's like a lascannons that downed the last 5 Onager wounds.

>>55409835
i'd watch that

>>55409814
People wanted balance for tournaments.
Which is fucking stupid because you can't balance a dozen factions to the same competitive level.
So fuck GW for caving
So fuck GW for making 7th as imbalanced as it was
And fuck the manbabies that forced them to make everything the fucking same

Thousand Sons will be Codex: Evil Grey Knights

>>55409247
> army of 170 fucking infantry
> can't finish a GAME
Yeah I wonder why. Christ that would obnoxious to play against.

>>55409316
2nd ed grots and goff boys from the starter box.

>>55409316
Black Reach starter set from a hobby shop in San Francisco. I've sold everything, but I kept the dreadnought and converted him into a Chaos one, now known as Venerable Lord Ghur.

>>55409316
I miss the old website...

>>55409501
Dont use simplegreen its a newbie trap.

>>55409855
>grots
My man

>>55409859
I did similar, though I sold off everything way back when. Some regrets.

>>55409862
We all do, Anon. We all do.

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>want to buy macharius vanquisher
>it is only a few bucks over your card limit
>why, why whyyyyyy !

>>55409236


Binharic Override comboes really well with the Sygies 8 stratagem for a fuck you bomb:

Max out a unit of beep boops, infiltrate them in, change them to fight twice mode.

6 angry robots with 6 power fist attacks apiece, starting in the enemy deployment zone

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>>55409474
Ex Lord Ghur, now holds an advisory position

>>55409890
>going into debt to play 40k

>>55409890
>not buying chinese
anon why are you doing this to yourself

>>55409890
Your card limit is like, 150 bucks?

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>>55409862

>>55409396

Why the fuck would you want an enginseer HQ? That's just a vehicle fixer with a power axe, every other faction with cheaper support HQs has shit like Chaplains and Liutenants who provide a tangible buff.

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>>55409922
Stop.

>>55409923
cheap HQ tax for multiple detachments maybe?

>>55409923
Easy way to fill out detachments.

>>55409923

Cheap HQs for support detachments.

Does the Scryerskull allow you to get a completely free shooting attack at any time? It says, verbatim: "Or shoot with an ADEPTUS MECHANICUS unit from our army without the penalties to your hit rolls from Dawn Raid, Low Visibility, or Cover of Darkness". Furthermore, why does it specify Admech? Can't non-Admech units not use these?

>>55409281
I'm a word bearer and you're wrong. I wish you weren't.

>>55409848

He was eager to play against me, actually. He enjoys fighting the army.

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>>55409474
Lord Ausar, with his antique power axe Lunarium.

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>>55409976
>mfw GW literally can't write rules

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>>55409165
>The first Defilers were created by Warpsmiths on the order of Abaddon the Despoiler to support his Black Crusades. The news of their creation spread quickly throughout the Traitor Legions and renegade warbands, and thus entire campaigns were fought for possession of the dark lore behind the process. Mortarion did not need to resort to such desperate measures. He simply demanded the requisite hexamechanic scrolls from Abaddon as tribute, and the Warmaster – seeing no advantage in antagonising one of the Daemon Primarchs – provided them without question.

Wow even Morty can boss Armless around.

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First even Thousand models, what do you guys think? Still relatively new to the hobby so could do with some advice.

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>>55409993

>>55409999
>Those Quads
PRAISE TZEENTCH!

>>55409948
Memories cannot be stopped.

>>55409976
No.

>Furthermore, why does it specify Admech? Can't non-Admech units not use these?
"Allies". Questor Mechanicus.

Can Cawl give rerolls to knights?

>>55410023
Why not exactly? The wording says it pretty clearly.

>>55409949
>>55409957
>>55409964

No shit fellas, but why would you want your cheap support HQ to not be able to actually contribute to the battle? A liutenant or a Cryptek does something, an Enginseer just kinda stands there filling no role beyond an inflexible version of the main HQ's repair power.

>>55409993
Of the 8 Legions, aren't the Death Guard (And Word Bearers) the only ones which didn't really fracture?

Thousand Sons have their warbands doing their own shit. Black Legion weren't even Black Legion, they just moped and shit. World Eaters were broken by Kharn. Emperors Children after getting their asses kicked. Night Lords cuz Night Lords. Alpha Legion cuz they do their own infiltrating and cells shit.

Surely a relatively Legion strength legion has some power vs Abaddon.

>>55410023
Also, aren't Questor Mechanicus not in that faction anyways?

>>55410041
Because the best part of the entire fucking Admech book is the stratagems, and they cost command points to use. The more detachments, the more command points.

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>>55409999
>those digits
>relatively new
Actually doing pretty nicely though, anon. Much better than me at the very least.

>>55410041
We'll yeah, but it's the best thing we've got. So I'm stuck with it. I'd take rerolling wounds, but nooooo only loyal power armor confers this, rededicating pslam-codes and info graphs definitely couldn't.

>the most flavor available army got the least flavors

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>>55409922
I'll never not regret not buying these when they were still in print.

>>55410053

A pure tax unit is a garbage unit dressed up in "oh but you need to take these!".

>>55410043
Iron Warriors are still more or less a coherent fighting force. The Black Legion's probably got the most dudes in it just because they take all comers though. I know the World Eaters all get back together whenever Angron gets back into reality to tear a few sectors a new asshole.

>>55409993
>Typhus calls Mortarion a worthless loser to his face
>Abaddon meekly hands over invaluable technology because Mortarion said so
I think Chaos needs a new Warmaster, this one is defective.

>>55410081
Iron Warriors do their own thing no?

Lore says that Perturabo encourages infighting and competition to weed out shitters.

>>55410073
You asked why you would want an Enginseer HQ. We answered. I'm not sure what further question you have.

>>55409677
>right now, I think it's balanced, but nobody is actually happy with it.

Which is because of what seems like a contradiction contradiction; Brood War is balanced and fun because of imbalance.

Brood War has tons of units (Lurker, Defiler, Siege Tank, Vulture, High Templar, Arbiter to name a few) that in a balanced game wouldn't exist. Their abilities and power are way too extreme, and their mere presence can ruin an entire army. Forgot to scan ahead? Well hold position Lurkers just ate your entire army. Not fast enough with your Muta micro? Storms and Irradiate just lost you your whole force. Engaging a siege line without Zealot drops and Stasis? You're dead. Yet these plays are the very kind of edge-of-your-seat excitement that make for excellent viewing and reward skill. These sort of units are the first on the chopping block in the name of balance.

The analogy sort of breaks down with 40K because the capacity for skill in 40K is quite limited. Basically it comes down to army composition and battlefield tactics. There's room for skill in the tactics but I'd argue that about 80% of what contributes to a victory comes down to army composition. You can be the best strategist in the world and your fluffy Ork army with a smattering of units from across the army is going to get stomped into the ground by a Stormraven cheese list. That doesn't come up in Brood War because, whilst cheese certainly exists, you can react to it by changing what you do. You can't change your army in 40K in response to what you see your opponent doing.

>>55410053
Especially the one that lets you shoot at literally any time

>>55409897

>Drop 6 Kastellan robots in enemy lines turn 1 in punch everthing mode

Fuck I'm going to have to try this, it sounds hilarious.

The best part is the wording of the reprogramming power says you do it at the end of any phase, meaning you can have them tank hits better if the enemy steals the initiative, and they get to shoot their shoulder gun once before you turn it off for the rest of the game.

>>55409859
Are you still around San Francisco?

>>55410096

I know why you'd want a support HQ, what I'm getting at is why would you want a useless elite choice to become your support HQ.

>>55410128
Because you want more points available for your actually serious units, and nothing in the HQ slot qualifies. Next question?

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So what are the pros v cons when it comes to death guard cultists v poxwalkers v plaguebearers? The cultists get 18 inch rapid fire which is pretty cool, but the saves are ass, and morale problems. Poxwalkers need buff buddies to be good, but they can use DR to tank a bit, and they have a great stratagem. Plaguebearers have an invuln save, DR, summoning, and some neat buffs, but 1 attack for a melee only unit is bad. Thoughts?

>>55410132

Jesus Christ.

Not "why would you want something to fill that role", "why would you want something useless to fill that role".

>>55409316
Battle for Maccragge back in 04. Got that, the main rulebook and a 1 year subscription to white dwarf.

>>55410045
They don't have the AdMech tag.

>>55410156
Yeah, not in that faction

>>55410152
Because the useless thing in itself has a use, by not costing you additional points to be useful. It's a shame that we don't have leftenants or chaplains or the like, but it is also a shame that we don't have transports, or flyers. If you start down that road, you go to dark, or possibly Dark, places.

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>>55409912

Most of my monthly allowance is through cash.
Also not american.

>>55409909
But i tried chinaman, this was the first time it failed me completely. The tracks were horrible with a mould line running through it. And it was the ccon chinaman. Worse than that i bought two vanquisher turrets from FW website to replace the standart vanquisher cannon.
Now they are staying there uselessly.

>>55410152
He's very cheap and repair isn't "useless". You park him behind a Dunecrawler.

>>55409165
This just in: Mechanicum the same in 8th as they were in 7th.

>Implying what they could do before they cannot do now if you look hard enough in the book.
>Implying you looked hard enough

>>55410112
>>55409897
Can you even do that in one turn?

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>>55410175
having an allowance is precious

>>55410175
>monthly allowance
You have to be 18+ to visit this website.

>>55410165

>by not costing you additional points to be useful.

Fucker needs to shell out on a servo-arm and a power axe. There's cheap-ass support models that actually do something for the same price range.

>>55410098
This also gets into another game metaphor I like:

Dota Vs. League of Legends.

Dota is an incredibly balanced game, but if you look at any one of the heroes in a vacuum, most people would think it wasn't, because nearly every hero has insane things they can do. League is a pretty shitty game, but if you looked at the """champions""" at a glance, you would think it was very tightly balanced.

At any given point in the tournament metas, you might see 90+ heroes picked in a dota tournament, out of a lineup of 110ish. In any given tournament meta for league, you'll see maybe 20 heroes picked, out of a hundred+ pool.

What's the discrepancy? Why is the "tightly balanced" league actually incredibly inbalanced, and the game where every hero is OP incredibly balanced? It's because dota heroes have wildly different roles. In league, every champion falls into a burst AP, a tanky dps, a support, or a physical carry type role. The skills that you'll see on any hero with a given role are usually extremely similar to the skills you'll see on any other hero in that role. Tanky Dps will always have a damage shield and a gap closer skill. Whenever a player figures out a unique use for a hero that falls outside of the intended role, the developers of League nerf that use and force the hero back into the role. This sort of enforced homogenization of the hero pool means heroes have nothing unique to offer in league. So professional players will gravitate towards the one or two heroes with the best numbers for their role, and never pick outside that meta.

In dota, where every hero has unique skills, nearly every hero has something to offer a team during any given meta. You see wildly diverse tournaments, because the developers of DotA are constantly trying to make each hero more unique, not less unique.

8th edition is going the way of league. Every unit in it is being stripped of unique fun rules. It already happened with the indexes.

>>55410211
Not in admech. If you are so interested to have other factions' goodness, I recommend you to play those factions. All other is salt.

>>55410132
He's asking why you don't just make the second detachments imperium detachments and use good units.

>>55410191

Don't see why not. Spend one of the stratagems before the game and the other at the end of your shooting phase.

It's a pretty dumb use of 2 command points, but it'll certainly have psychological impact if nothing else.

>>55410175
email me if you're looking for a good one.
[email protected]

>>55410033
Because you will see a FAQ in a week. RAI is to ignore scenario rules. It's 1 CP friend. Attacking again is priced at 3 CP.

>>55410230
Canticles requires all admech.

>>55410081
>Iron Warriors are still more or less a coherent fighting force.
I'm pretty sure they split up and are following individual warlords/garrisoning their own fortresses. Only the Word Bearers, Death Guard, and Black Legion have a strong semblance of legion structure.

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The following should never have been expanded into full armies and should have remained as a few units to ally into other Imperial forces:

• Grey Knights
• Sisters of Battle
• Adeptus Mechanicus

>>55410215

Nailed it on the head.

>>55410244
No, it requires that all units in the detachment have the ability canticles of the omnisiah.

If you have a detachment that meets the criterial, you could have 9 brigades from every imperium faction in addition to that, and you would still get to benefit your one ad mech detachment with canticles.

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>>55410193
>>55410207

I am sorry but unless you have a job you have an allowance am i not correct? Or is there a different system in the places you live.

>>55409316
LotR Elves and Last Men box.

>>55410274
Are you on unemployment? And you're using it to buy 40k? Fucking looters. Better yourself.

>>55410266
Yes, that's what I meant. Canticles requires all admech in the detachment. Enginseer give you the option to fill out HQ slots in larger/more Admech detachments at a third of the cost of the Dominus.

>>55409370
I just picked up a Knight with those wings attached and it looks badass, gimmie a minuite while i snap a pic

>>55410274
do you mean income? An allowance is given to you by an authority, most commonly ones parents when growing up.

>>55410274
Are you part of an exchange program?
Perhaps payment is different when you're on a visa?

>>55410274
In Burgerland an allowance is something that your parents give you to spend. If you don't have a job you can get unemployment subsidies to help you go find one.

>>55410296
Okay, but why bother contorting your lists to make your other detachments benefit from canticles? If you just want more command points, it's more efficient to front load the ad mech detachment, and then use cheaper imperial guard detachments to get brigades or something.

How are wraith heavy eldar lists? I'm planning to go craftworlds for my next army but I'll be damned if I buy those bullshit finecast aspect warriors.

>>55410215
>7th ed. apologist
Did you actually play the fucking game? I'm getting the impression lots of people just read books and made lists.

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>codices are getting worse and worse with each release as opposed to 7th where they got better and better as the edition went on

>>55410287
Not that anon, but if you live in the middle of no-where with few job opportunities, especially as someone young with little to no experience, you can end up going years without employment. Making large purchases is retarded, I'd agree there, and I'm not necessarily going to defend that Anon but if all they're doing is sitting around each day, browsing job openings, that's not really good for a person's mental health. Having a hobby keeps your mind off of the reality of your situation.

>>55410236
>RAI
>not RAW
You'd think GW would be ontop of this by now.

>>55409274
I just purchased 10 tartaros termies for my alpha legion
Gonna be dope

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>>55410297
here it is. Got a whole squad for 45 bucks

>>55410311
I'm not saying the Enginseer is optimal. But it lets you do something like an AdMech Brigade much more easily or downsize an HQ to save points if necessary. Plus not everyone wants to play soup.

>>55409316

A year or two ago, I found some deal on ebay, and bought several minis on the cheap. The very first one to arrive was the Captain, pre-assembled and painted. His arm had fallen off, but he's still the capable commander of my forces.

>>55410319

CSM is better than the C:SM codex.

>>55410318
7th edition was a fucking unbalanced joke of a wargame, but at least you had units that could do cool, crazy things. 8th is still a complete farce mechanically, it's just a big, bland mess instead.

>>55410318
I'm not saying 7th was the ideal, but I really don't like where 8th is heading. It will be the least balanced edition in a while, just because there will be no diversity.

To make a game like 40k work, you need to provide diverse armies, not armies that play exactly the same as each other with numbers tweaks.

>>55410353
Nice fairy mousepad, dude.

>>55410319
Don't be a sheep. Come on.

>>55410319
Death Guard and CSM are the best ones and they are 2nd and 4th, what the fuck are you talking about.

It's a matter of which shitty designer your book got stuck with. AdMech probably went to Cruddace. Rumours are Phil Kelly picked up Tyranids this time around so now other races have to feel the pain we used to feel and we get to ride the Eldar gravy train.

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>>55410287
I am studying for masters degree and not working.

>>55410298
>>55410301
I meant one given by parents, sorry for any misunderstanding.

>>55409502
>being good without a primarchs
What's the name of the primarchs of the imperial guard and how did he get he ability to divide himself into 200 bodies?

>>55410363
I recommend 5th or 8th ed. WHFB.

>>55410367
thanks, loved that card's art so much i had the opportunity and i took it.

>>55410374
ALPHARIUS.

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>Necron fuckbois in hysterics because they're brain-dead Reclamation Legion spamming netlist nonsense doesn't work anymore and they have to use their brains for once

Anyone wreck some Necron anuses lately? Shit is priceless LOL

>>55410374
Ollanius pius

>>55409845
>Players wanted the illusion of balance.
>Removal of options, to the point armies every army is like Flyrantspam in 7e.
>Dieroll the game to death by conscriptspam.
FTFY. 8e is scrubhammer revenge.

>>55410215
Kek, not at all.
The inclusion of stratagems and faction traits already adds more fluffy stuff than previous editions, unless you were marines who've had CT forever, or CSM who got them at the tail end of 7th.
Seriously, what "fluffy" and "non-bland" stuff do you people miss? The 5+ special rule variations of "this unit can reroll charges?" Or the psykic powers that were for the most part a varation of a few different things?
Or maybe the broken as fuck fomations, that either added a few fluffy and OP benefits, or were something like the ghazie supplment's formations?

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>>55410066
>$10 each
Jesus Christ I'm glad I got my 20 rough riders for $5 from a friend

>>55409206
I thought the Thousand Sons and Space Furriers were mortal enemies?

>>55410373
Good lord you're a mess.. What's your major?

>>55410399
Yeah I don't know why people are saying the AdMech codex is bland. That's not really it's problem, it's problem is that it's just bad. They unnecessarily nerfed things from previous edition and didn't really give them stuff to make up for it.

>>55410374
That's the beauty
Guard doesn't need war gods to win a battle, they just need lots of ill aimed firepower and tons of bodies

>>55410410
I guess some people really miss the 100+ varations of the same couple special rules

>>55410407
I'm hoping he answers something in the Arts or a Science that exists to perpetuate itself through teaching, like Anthropology

>>55410399
>Faction traits and stratagems

No. Faction traits so far have been a poor replacement for the diversity that formations could bring to army function. Stratagems are a good idea, but poorly implemented (just like formations)

Right now, stratagems and faction traits are all just variations on like 10 ideas, copy/pasted across the codicies. Which is somewhat ironic, given you complain about psychic powers being just that in your post.

>>55410427
They didn't even really lose any special rules though, I have no idea what the blandposter faggot is on about.

>>55410364
Admech play very different from GK who play very different from DG. SM and CSM can be built to play similarly (Thanks Raven Guard/Alpha Legion), but you also don't have to do that. A force with similar chapter/whatever tactics but entirely different units does not "play exactly the same with some numbers tweaks" I'm not worried.

>>55410391
No one will play their necrons in my group other than myself
They aren't as bullshit as they were last edition and it feels like there's a limited number of "good" builds
I'm not gonna get in an autistic screaming match with you about how gauss is "better/worse" now but I will say it seems a lot more fun to just play my guard, whether I'm playing a silly or serious list just because of the options available to me to make tons of different builds
Necrons undeniably need a price drop or buff on a couple units, but the skeleton of a good force is for sure there

>>55410438
So the "bland!1" fags just want formations back? Just fucking say that then.

>>55410400
Believe it or not, in some cases GW is cheaper than they were in 2004-07. Great Unclean Ones and Keepers of Secrets used to be $50, now they're 40-something.

>>55410435
>like Anthropology
I do not think quite as highly of you or your cognitive capacity as I did before reading your post, Anon.

>>55410456
I suspect a lot of those people don't play much or at all, armies play way differently even if they have similarities on paper

>>55410438
>No. Faction traits so far have been a poor replacement for the diversity that formations could bring to army function
>formations
>diversity
Oh yeah, formations brought soooooo much diversity. I really loved how every army wasn't just a variation of "bring the formation that gives you free stuff" or "spam these couple good units cause your dex sucked"
Yep, totally more variation than all the tactical tools and widely different faction bonuses in 8th. Because truly, it was formations that made ryza distinct from mars

>>55410456
I would actually be happy if units got special rules that broke the +1 to some stat mold more often, that allowed unique movement/shooting/psychic/combat options. And if stratagems were actually unique and every subfaction got more than 1.

>>55410459
Yup, metal models can be expensive
Then you have cases like the monolith which released and should have stayed at like $40 American

>>55410438
AdMech have tons of unique Stratagems. You're acting like Stygies VIII is the whole book.

>>55409993
The Virgin Warmaster
>Ancient manlet resin
>Nobody listens to him
>Hates the gods and impotently plots against them
>100 years later still stuck on Cadia
>Scared of Guilliman
>Offers tribute

The Chadmarch
>Glorious swole plastic
>Has the undying loyalty of a unified Legion
>Works in perfect sync with his god
>Out conquering the galaxy
>Fears nothing, wants a showdown with Guilliman
>Demands tribute

Anyone here with decent Paint skills?

>>55410456
Hah. Did AdMech have formations other than War Convocation?

>>55409567
I seriously doubt it. People would spend less time playing the game and doing surprise trigonometry in order to optimize range bands (by meticulously measuring squad coherency and extrapolating from there).

>>55410465
And most Stratagems have been copies of those bonuses from 7e Formations, only given a CP cost that really doesn't matter because most games are now decided in 1 or 2 turns anyway due to extreme ease of alphastrikes and your opponent no longer getting to reserve regular units.

Yeah, much more strategic. It's just a CP->statistic gain calculation. Mathhammer pretending to be strategic.

>>55410502
yes.

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>>55410407

I dont want to say what it is due to some friends who might browse here but it a popular and important one that would have made good money and not a shitty one like>>55410435 suggest.

Even though it is a good one it is hard to find a job because of living in a second world country.

>>55410502
Some, but you never saw them.
But I'm sure the blandfag will claim that he always ran them, and removing them was the worst thing ever

>>55410502

That anyone used? No.

Oh, and as long as we're complaining, 8th edition still hasn't fixed the fact that first turn wins too often.

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>>55409786

Back into the hole you go. We'll knock on the rock you're living under when 9th comes out.

>>55409999

Holy shit, THAT'S THE LORD OF CHANGE'S NUMBER!

THE CHANGER OF WAYS COMES FOR US!

THOUSAND SONS CODEX CONFIRMED OP!

RUN FOR YOUR LIVES!

>>55410505
>And most Stratagems have been copies of those bonuses from 7e Formations,
Oh really? Point me to the stratagem which gives me free wargear, or ob sec, or free transports.
Or the formation that gave me bonuses to saving throws, or forced me to combine phrons and beep boops in order to make both better.

>>55410502
Surprisingly, there were a few oddballs that ran the Cohort Cybernetica. The Ironstrider Caliver formation was "cute" too, but otherwise yeah. War Convo was less about the free gear though so much as the universal Canticles.

>>55410435
>like Anthropology

Lol, what?

I hope to god you somehow miss typed and meant to say something like Gender Studies or Political Science.

>>55410535
Found the unemployed anthropology student.

>>55410519
Honestly a lot of games in 7th were like that too
>hey friend I have 200 scatterlaser shots all rerolling to hit and ignoring cover, I can also make myself have a 2+ jink that I can reroll, not that I need it because you're hitting me on 6s, so if I go first I will destroy 1000 pts of your army and then not even let you hit me back for much

Holy shit. Pink horrors are fuckin nuts.

how does one go and beseech china man. My lust is not equal to my shekels.

>>55410186
See it the same way, I think there are some really really strong lists inside

>>55410532
Stratagem that require combining Speeders and Whirlwinds? Check.
Stratagems that requires taking 3 Librarians to make one better? Check.
Formations to improve Invulerable Saves? Check. Let's not joke, there will be a Blessing of Tzeentch Stratagem.

Oh, I am annoyed there was no Warpack Alpha Stratagem. I miss Warlord Defiler.

>>55410567

I agree with this man. I think a lot of the bitching is being done based on internet reviews.

>>55410555
Yeah, I'm not saying 7th edition (or even any edition) fixed this issue. Just that it's current year, every game designer but GW seems to realize that a turn structure like this requires some nerf to the first turn.

I've always thought it could be something easy, like the first turn player skips his movement phase.

>>55410186
Anon, shush. Don't spoil that secret, let them complain. They'll realize it soon enough.
It's just like /tg/ said when Tzeentch daemons were the worst thing ever, or when the said necrons and orks would dominate the meta

How can a battleforged Death Gaurd army take Nurgle deamons to summon if none of them have the deathgaurd keywork???

I'm confused.

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>>55410459
>>55410535
>Not knowing Anthropology in US is about making excuses for the shortcomings of other cultures rather than actual science
I had to take two classes about it. I wanted to just walk out every class and weep into my pillow for the devolution of that field into the mess it is today.

>>55409411
That shotgun looks like it's a lasguns with the barrel and battery pack trimmed.

>>55410586
You don't have to include summonable units in your army list. Instead you reserve points to summon.

When you summon, you subtract from your reserve points the cost of the unit you summoned. That unit then gets added to your battlefield, but not any detachments in your list, so it won't benefit from any special detachment rules like a faction bonus or objective secured.

>>55410586

You don't take anything to summon - you set aside X points then use the summoning ritual and summon based on the rule. You just set aside 250 points or whatever to summon in - you aren't required to declare what that 250 points contains.

Summoned units aren't part of the army thus don't break battle forged.

>>55410587
>I took two classes in college therefore I know everything about the field

>>55410580
Or the game goes to Alternating Activations, or allows Interrupts, or otherwise allows the player to do things except stick their thumb up their ass if they don't have a "use in the opponent turn" stratagem.

5e-7e had a "better" system. Go second, deploy second, and maybe get Seize to prevent your opponent from getting too cocky. 8e weakened this via interleaved deployments, so going first is that much better.

>>55410576
Absolutel, the reviewer did a fucking bad Review without any knowledge od admech whatsoever, i think.
>3 pages of stratagems
>awesome wl traits
>just bitches about how only shitty repair abilities are viable

Gonna make a kickass list. I really think they are competitive now

>>55410594
>>55410595
Let's say I want to summon an epidemus for my Death Gaurd army to tally up the mortarian kills. Can i do that because it's an aura and auras still effect everything?

>>55410043
>>55410081
Abaddon Black Legion are the most powerful legion in the Eye. Give it a rest. The problem with Death Guard is that they alone among the Traitor Legions who kept as a single force/legion.

>>55410086
Typhus is said to readily joins Abaddon whenever he crusades.

>>55410575
>Stratagem that require combining Speeders and Whirlwinds? Check.
That's fair
>Stratagems that requires taking 3 Librarians to make one better? Check.
Kek, comparing the conclave to empyric channelling? That arguement falls apart as soon as you go past the fact both improve psykers. One was far more broken than the other
>Formations to improve Invulerable Saves? Check. Let's not joke, there will be a Blessing of Tzeentch Stratagem.
Didn't realize ad mech had access to Tzeentch formations in 7th.
Honestly, I'd take you far more seriously if you said ad mech stratagems were copy pasts of doctrina imperatives than formations.

>>55410580
I think that was the idea with night fighting
Honestly night fighting should just have effected whoever was going second
It's unfortunate that with a turn based game whoever goes first will almost always get an advantage unless it was extreme alpha strike lists in 7th, but really that just made it so basically they had first turn
It's why I took coteaz in my guard army, for that sweet sweet reroll
It also helped me place 3rd with my guard in my last tourney, I seized all 3 games in a row

>>55410586
Units bought with reinforcement points don't exist until the moment you summon them. You can freely switch up what you're summoning for example. As such summoned units aren't part of your army list aside from the generic points pool and thus are entirely ignored for determining whether your army is battle-forged or not.

>>55410098

I disagree. An idiot with an OP army is going to win 60% of the time. A clever strategist with a mediocre army will win 60% of the time too.

You can play the game badly, and that's where strategy/tactics comes into it.

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>>55410595
>>55410594
But can you summon after disembarking?

>>55410613

Does Mortarion have the <Nurgle> and <Demon> keywords?

>>55410613
Yes. Since Morty is a Nurgle Daemon. It would also help your Daemon Engines like the blight hauler.

>>55410600
I don't profess to know everything about it, and I'm sure there's still actual scientists in the discipline, but it like many other fields in academia has been either politicized or subverted to the point where objectivity can no longer be maintained in the study of it.

At any rate, let's not discuss it further lest we derail the thread.

>>55410613
I'm going by the index stats of Epidemius. His aura only affects Nurgle Daemons, and only goes up with nurgle daemons. Is morty a nurgle daemon? Then the aura will go up.

Any nurgle daemons in your army will benefit.

>>55410627

No.

>>55410627
I believe so, but it will have to be clarified with an FAQ or the chaos daemons codex.

>>55410043
Word Bearers are also still effectively one Legion, just lead by the council of the Dark Apostles (which Erebus and Kor Phaeron are a part of)

The Black Legion I'd say is also still rather organised, it's just that it has little or no continuity with the Sons of Horus IMO, and is Abaddon's creature.

So is Tallyman worth the points? His buffs seem pretty weak

>>55410639
this

You summon turn 2 after running your Daemon-mounted sorcerer up behind the landraider turn 1. That way the possessed have a herald to buff them when they charge.

>>55410510
Are you a taiwanese manboy?

>>55410668
The Word Bearers are broken up to warbands and as you said they are ruled by conflicting Apostles. They look as a single legion on the surace but they are not.

The Death Guard however are incredibly structured and answer to one voice and it's their Primarch.

>>55410683
That really depends on how many nurgle daemons you plan to summon after disembarking your 12 malefic lords from the valkyrie.

>>55410635
Mortarian has the keyword Nugle, Daemon,

So i assume epidemus buffs Mortarion

>>55410716
then yes.

>>55410683
Treat Herschel Tallyman well. He handles your CP taxes.

>>55410608
For example, dragoon lancer unit, stygiesVIII:
>3 dragoons
>due to legion bonus, gets -2 to hit
>1cp, gets +2 to hit in melee
>mfw 9 attacks reroll 1 with canticle, trigger 2 bonus hits on a 4+
>mfw 2+ ws
>mfw taser lances are s8 ap-1 d2 now

>>55410709
Tallyman is a different guy from Epidemius. Tallyman lets you roll 2d6 and anytime you get exactly a 7 you get a CP refund from nurgle strats, and you can reroll hits of 1 in 7inches. Cost is 60ish pts, and he has meh combat stats.

>>55410727
doesn't it seem like you almost never get that exact 7 roll?

>>55410727
>Tallyman CPA

>>55410733
Did i mention they're easy turn1 charge now?
3 of em pump out 17 s8 hits d2 ap -1 for 1cp

>>55410738
You get a roll of 7 1/6th of the time.

>current millennium
>not using the services of Rotstein & Tallyman

>>55410752
hmmm. I guess I don't know math. Ok so is he worth it for his cost?

>>55410766
no death guard unit is.

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What's the best way to load out a Repulsor? I plan on sticking Hell blasters inside if that matters at all

>Rust and Ruin

>uring the fyredust season on Dysactis, a vast Death Guard force advances through the pyroclastic storm fronts in search of the Temple of Ascension. They are met amidst the crackling maelstrom by an enormous force of Iron Warriors, supported by corrupt god-machines from the Legio Abhorrax. Continent-shattering battle ensues. Hordes of Daemons are summoned from the beyond to join the fight. Beneath the gaze of the Cyclonead Statues, Mortarion and Perturabo themselves engage in a spectacular duel that lasts for seven hours. It is a battle reminiscent of the incredible conflicts of the Horus Heresy, and Perturabo’s sons cause terrible damage to the Death Guard force. Yet the longer the fighting rages, the more the contagions and metaliphage poxes of the Death Guard spread through the Iron Warrior ranks. Ancient heretics sicken and collapse. Malevolent war engines seize with rust and shudder, sparking, to a halt. Machine spirits go mad with revulsion and pain, and as the powers of entropy and decay run rampant, the battle swings in Mortarion’s favour.

>With his forces in tatters and many of his precious war engines crippled beyond repair, even bitter Perturabo is finally forced to concede defeat. Falling back to pre-prepared defence lines, he detonates a series of explosive trenches amidst the raging storms and disengages in the ensuing mayhem. Badly mauled but triumphant, Mortarion and his Death Guard lay claim to the heathen temple they fought so hard for, and the ancient secrets that lay at its heart.

As an Iron Warrior fan I feel abused and neglected by GW.

>>55410793
las talon/cannon

Did they fix Infiltrators and Ruststalkers in the new codex?

>>55410793
More dice is better, go with gatlings.

>>55410353
No offense but that looks like a mishmash abomination

>>55410800
Why didn't perty rig the temple to explode?

>>55410800
Why blow up the trenches? IW just ignore the cover bonus anyway

>>55410773
>what are blightlords?

>>55410842
is the codex out somewhere?

>>55410810
No, they're the same i think.

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A bit ago I asked you fellas which ork clan was the best, and I was convinced that the bad moons are da' best.

First time painting an ork, any tips? I dry brushed the lighter skin tone on, and I realize it looks shitty, ill layer it later.

>>55410810
Nope. There are a couple stratagems to help them out a little bit but, mostly, no.

>>55410861
>>55410871
...fuck. Any units that they buffed or nerfed?

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Working on an Imperial Fist Chapter/Company Ancient.

What else would you add to him?

>>55410620
Either way. Many Marine Stratagems are also copypastes/adaptations of wargear options from 7th. Which is still weird when the Command Points are "command". Is it handwavium? Plot armor?

>>55410874
Your Infiltrators and Ruststalkers got nerfed further.

>>55410874
As far as I can tell there are very few direct unit changes. The Enginseer is an HQ choice now.

>>55409316
Sternguard veterans from a friend who was in Switzerland

>>55410885
I refuse to believe that nerfing Sicarians further is possible. How the fuck did they do that?

>>55410898
pts increase

>>55410898
They didn't, he's lying. They're identical.

>The Black Crusades

>Over long centuries, Abaddon the Despoiler spends the blood of countless followers in battles against the Imperium. Though seemingly unconnected, each crusade is in truth part of a far grander plan that eventually triggers the opening of the Great Rift. During this period, the new Warmaster forges numerous pacts with the greatest Chaos powers, amongst them the Death Guard. Mortarion’s scorn for Abaddon is obvious, but the Daemon Primarch cannot ignore his successes, and so sends warbands of his sons to aid in several of the Despoiler’s campaigns. Typhus aids Abaddon more readily, fighting alongside him more than once, and using his attacks upon the Cadian Gate as an opportunity to spread the seeds of the zombie plague far and wide.

Morty is tsundere for Abaddon.

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>>55410876
A cage.

>>55410353
I like it, though it feels like it really belong in a Diablo game.

>>55409371
>why did we get nerded so bad ;(((((
t. Kastellan robot

>>55410895
>>55410908
So the only main differences now are the new strategems and warlord traits and whatnot. Fuck. Chapter Approved better fix this shit...

>>55410882
>is it handwavium? plot armour?
thats literally what you're going to bitch and moan about? abstraction in a tabletop game?

>>55410898
Disregard >>55410908, he sucks cock. They're the same points they were in the index but now have one less attack each.

>>55410870
Get a small drill and drill holes in the barrels of their guns so it looks like they can actually shoot something.

>>55410949
>but now have one less attack each
That was FAQ'd forever ago you fucking retard. It's only a change if you were playing with out-of-date Index rules like a mong.