Death Guard fluff thread.

>Outbreak D’sholtu – The Gloaming Bloat Spreads…

>The coming of warp storm Baphamet left the fortress world of D’sholtu locked in permanent night. Worse was to follow as the Imperial defenders were overrun by Necrons rising from below, and by Aeldari from the stars above. Now the 3rd Plague Company have joined the war, spreading their foul sweating sickness to Imperial and Aeldari warriors alike.

>Outbreak Lorphax – Sanguous Flux Epidemic

>In the Lorphax Sub-sector, Imperial forces fought to drive back the Orks of Waaagh! Kraktoof. When fresh waves of greenskins exhibited a hideous, blood-weeping plague, the Imperial defenders soon became infected. Then came the 5th Plague Company, their Daemon Engines trampling the weakened enemy and beginning a punishing three-way war for dominance.

>Outbreak Tarpharon – Droning Squirm Infestation

>The Tyranids of Hive Fleet Scitalis tore through the Phantax Sector, on a collision course with the Nurgle-worshipping worlds of the Vermidium. Now, though, their advance has been slowed and scattered across a dozen systems by the efforts of the 6th Plague Company, the Ferrymen striking like sudden viral outbreaks against leader beasts and hive nodes.

What clusterfucks.

>The Black Crusades

>Over long centuries, Abaddon the Despoiler spends the blood of countless followers in battles against the Imperium. Though seemingly unconnected, each crusade is in truth part of a far grander plan that eventually triggers the opening of the Great Rift. During this period, the new Warmaster forges numerous pacts with the greatest Chaos powers, amongst them the Death Guard. Mortarion’s scorn for Abaddon is obvious, but the Daemon Primarch cannot ignore his successes, and so sends warbands of his sons to aid in several of the Despoiler’s campaigns. Typhus aids Abaddon more readily, fighting alongside him more than once, and using his attacks upon the Cadian Gate as an opportunity to spread the seeds of the zombie plague far and wide.

Morty hates Abaddon for some reason.

>The Battle of Kornovin

>The Grey Knights meet the Death Guard on the planet of Kornovin, the battle representing the culmination of an ancient plan to banish Mortarion forever. The Daemon Primarch’s might is too great, however; after Mortarion fells Supreme Grand Master Geronitan in battle, the newly appointed Supreme Grand Master Draigo is forced to work a desperate banishment ritual that hurls Mortarion’s spirit into the warp for many years. It is a pyrrhic victory at best, a respite that Mortarion uses to gather fresh forces and plot his next and greatest invasion of realspace.

The Draigo one punching retconned? Doesn't seem as bad in this version.

>Seed of Doom

>Confounded by the magnatropic defence matrices of the forge world Takbandrha, an invasion force of the 5th Plague Company is all but annihilated. Only a single Death Guard Sorcerer makes it to the forge world’s surface, vanishing into the gloomy serf-warrens of the underfactorums. Summoning Daemons through ritual sacrifice and desecration, the Sorcerer conjures a foul new army whose burgeoning corruption draws yet more of their number through the veil, their numbers growing exponentially. Though the initial Death Guard attack causes the merest pinprick in the hide of this Imperial world, the virulent doom that spreads from it soon sees Takbandrha sicken and die.

It only takes one.

>Hive of Horrors

>Typhus infests Hive Pandorial with the zombie plague, departing before Imperial retribution can occur. Instead of encountering a hated and ancient enemy, the courageous men of the Necromundan Spyders find themselves plunging deep into the shadowed horrors of a hive filled only with the shambling corpses of those they came to avenge.

So that's where the Necromunda zombies came from.

>Curdled Faith

>Attacked by T’au pacification cadres, the Imperial shrine world of Calendhula remains defiant behind their shield of faith. Their defence falters, however, when the world’s statues weep tears of filth and their water sources turn to gelid slime. As battle rages and the body count spirals, hellish portals yawn in Calendhula’s depths, and the warriors of the 4th Plague Company march out. Led by the Eater of Lives and bolstered by capering Daemons, they crush both the Imperial and T’au forces to claim the world for Nurgle.

The T'au will not forgive this. The Deatg Guard should watch their backs.

>Plague and Shadow

>A plague of flies erupts within the war-torn Sec Maegra district of Commorragh. From amidst the fly clouds stride Plague Marines of the Mouldering Claw, who meet the Drukhari in savage battle before vanishing as mysteriously as they arrived. Several metaphysical plagues emerge in their wake.

Drew Carrie is in for a lot of pain.

>Stay of Execution

>On the killing fields of Vindor, the Death Guard decide to allow the last survivors of the Vindorian garrisons to flee, thus spreading Nurgle’s gifts of plague and despair. Unwilling to watch perfectly good slaves escape, however, their Emperor’s Children allies pounce, only for the Plague Marines to bar their path. A furious battle erupts between the followers of Nurgle and Slaanesh, while the diseased Vindorians scatter to the four winds, taking Nurgle’s dubious blessings with them.

How the heck are diseased dudes perfectly good for the EC?

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>Unholy Endurance

>Waaagh! Badsmak overruns a score of worlds to the galactic west of the Scourge Stars, forcing Mortarion to deploy numerous vectoriums to counter its wrath. During the campaign’s pivotal battle on Krug’s World, Warlord Badsmak himself leads a headlong charge against the outnumbered Death Guard. Lord Fulgous the Bloated orders an immediate advance into the teeth of the greenskin assault, calling down Plagueburst Crawler fire upon his own position. Weathering the pounding ordnance through a mixture of resilience and sorcery, the Death Guard draw the Orks into an explosive meat grinder. Plaguespitters dissolve wave after wave of the enemy hordes. Noxious Blightbringers toll their tocsins of misery again and again, driving the greenskin Weirdboyz insane and spreading despair through the ranks. Finally, Badsmak and his surviving Boyz flee in abject terror, only to be annihilated by the Plague Marines’ pursuing fire.

Orks would never cower they said. Orks don't know fear they said. Orkses is made for battle they said. IN YOUR FACE, GREENSKINS!

>In the Maw of the Storm

>As warp storm Fomori engulfs the world of Danasar, Typhus duels – and humbles – Huron Blackheart atop the ruins of the Endless Spire. He leaves the Tyrant of Badab alive as an abject lesson not just in Nurgle’s might, but also of his generosity.

Huron is a BITCH!

>The Serpent and the Fly

>Vectoriums of the 5th and 6th Plague Companies engage in a naval battle with Craftworld Saim-Hann and its fleet around the moons of Bosphodia. Before they are driven off, the Death Guard successfully board the craftworld and spread their corruption through the territory of Wild Rider clan Sylthach. In desperation, Saim-Hann’s Seer Council orders ghost warriors to cut that part of the world-ship away with weapon fire. So devastating is the despair felt in that moment that it conjures Nurgle Daemons into the waystones of the surviving Sylthach clan members, possessing them and transforming them
into aberrant, insectile half-breeds. Soon enough, tales of spiteful, Chaos-tainted Aeldari corsairs are prevalent throughout the Paragos Sub-sector and beyond.

Chaos Aledari confirmed!

>The Greyfax Gambit

>Having noted the fanatical obsession the Death Guard hold for the number seven, Inquisitor Katarinya Greyfax applies her suspicions to the battle for the shrine world of Dortwyr. Launching their final assault on the seventh hour of the seventh day, the Death Guard pursue a baiting force of Primaris White Scars straight into the firing lines of seven Deathstrike Missile Launchers. The resultant rad-conflagration obliterates the Death Guard presence upon Dortwyr entirely.

She had to bring her fat ass into someone else's codex and ruin it, didn't she?

>>55408870
>Chaos Aledari confirmed!
That kinda makes sense. Pledge your soul to one of the other gods, get immunity from Slaanesh. The Dick is probably a Tzeentch boy.

>The Pristine Rotting

>After enduring months of filth and indignity in battle against the Putrid Choir, the 14th Volpone Bluebloods can take no more, and beg Nurgle to spare them from the corruption. The Plague God answers, rendering them forever gleaming and pristine, except for every seventh soldier amongst them. These unfortunates endure all the disease and pestilence their comrades should have, bloating into dirt-smeared, infectious spawn whose forlorn wails and wretched stench drives the rest of the regiment mad with guilt and horror. The Bluebloods turn their guns on their former comrades before throwing in their lot with their Death Guard tormentors.

Jesus Christ.

>Tainted Trophies

>During the War in the Rift, Mortarion decapitates the seven champions of Lybria, turning their skulls into virulent death’s heads. These he uses to banish the great Ka’Bandha back into the warp, sending him hence with a mocking gift of despoiled skulls no longer fit for Khorne’s throne.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aZHvd0ks7Es

>>55408775
>>Curdled Faith
>>Attacked by T’au pacification cadres, the Imperial shrine world of Calendhula remains defiant behind their shield of faith. Their defence falters, however, when the world’s statues weep tears of filth and their water sources turn to gelid slime. As battle rages and the body count spirals, hellish portals yawn in Calendhula’s depths, and the warriors of the 4th Plague Company march out. Led by the Eater of Lives and bolstered by capering Daemons, they crush both the Imperial and T’au forces to claim the world for Nurgle.

That is all for the Tau-DG angle?

>>55408870
>>The Greyfax Gambit
>>Having noted the fanatical obsession the Death Guard hold for the number seven, Inquisitor Katarinya Greyfax applies her suspicions to the battle for the shrine world of Dortwyr. Launching their final assault on the seventh hour of the seventh day, the Death Guard pursue a baiting force of Primaris White Scars straight into the firing lines of seven Deathstrike Missile Launchers. The resultant rad-conflagration obliterates the Death Guard presence upon Dortwyr entirely.

JOBBING IN YOUR OWN CODEX

>Ship of Ill Omen

>A battered warship impossibly identified as the long-destroyed, legendary Death Guard vessel Eisensteinis sighted beyond the third moon of Lorn’s Landing, glowing with a lambent hue before vanishing without trace. Just days later, the Death Guard descend upon Lorn’s Landing with Mortarion at its head. Inquisitorial savants note with alarm that this is the sixth such manifestation to herald the coming of the Death Lord himself. They fear what may transpire upon the seventh.

What does that mean, teegee? What happens on the 7th?

>Deluge on Nebbus

>As the Death Guard’s siege of the Imperial hive world of Nebbus reaches it seventh year, Mortarion’s Sorcerers summon an ancient evil to aid them. The strange Great Unclean One known as Rotigus joins the fight, bringing with him his appalling aura of infernal fecundity. Protein vats in the hives overflow as the flesh-broth within them grows at an unstoppable pace, burying entire levels under flabby drifts of bloated meat. Vermin of every sort enter frenzied cycles of birth and death, the Imperial defenders finding themselves overwhelmed by tides of sump-rats, infestations of grizzleworms and million-strong swarms of ravenous ripper jacks. Worst of all is the deluge of Nurgle, an endless storm of putrid filth-water that seethes with infectious, bacterial life. Soon enough Nebbus’ arid plains become quagmires, then stinking oceans that rise higher and higher. The corpse-choked hive cities flood from the roots upward, their last garrisons fleeing ever higher in search of a salvation that does not exist. Blessed beyond endurance by the plentiful generosity of Rotigus and his Daemons, methodically cut to pieces by the thundering guns of the Death Guard, it is almost a mercy when the last of Nebbus’ defenders meet their grisly deaths.

Fighting Nurglites most be the worst thing ever in 40K.

>A Future Befouled

>A sepsis cohort of the 7th Plague Company strikes at the fortress monastery of the Minotaurs Chapter. Their attack is driven off, but celebration turns to despair upon the discovery that Mortarion’s sons have tainted the Chapter’s gene-seed stocks beyond redemption. So begins a desperate quest for survival, a crusade across the stars to reach Terra and access purified gene-seed reserves before the Chapter wastes away.

Minotaurs confirmed for dying.

>The Yultah Breach

>During the battle for Yultah, Mortarion and his Deathshroud stand unaided in the breach against an entire Necron legion. Death Guard reinforcements fight their way frantically to their lord’s side, fearing the worst. Instead they find Mortarion and his last surviving Deathshroud, wounded but triumphant and surrounded by sparking, dematerialising heaps of foes.

>Blighted Resurrection

>The Pallid Hand are ambushed by overwhelming Necron forces from the Novokh Dynasty amidst the ruins of Hollowfall. During a fighting retreat, Mortarion’s sons infect a number of Necron Warriors with Ferric Blight. Phasing out, the android warriors bear the deadly contagion back to the stasis crypts of their tomb world, beginning an epidemic of catastrophic proportions.

More Necron abuse. Haven't they suffered enough?

>>55409050
>Infecting Necrons
THEY DID IT, THE ABSOLUTE MAD MEN

>The Doom of Hesp

>Vectoriums of the 4th and 7th engage the Tyranids of Hive Fleet Lotan amidst the steaming jungles of Hesp. When the swarms deploy Toxicrenes and Venomthropes to poison the environment, the Death Guard respond with plague spells, virus bombs and daemonic diseases. With neither side willing to back down, the atmosphere of Hesp becomes ever more toxic until the jungles, and even the warring armies, are reduced to a gory, bubbling soup. The first Tyranid hive ship to taste this poisoned slurry recoils, its
proboscis melting, and is bombarded into oblivion by the rest of its fleet. Hesp is left as an endless sea of toxic slime, too virulent for even the hive fleets to devour.

Tyranids confirmed for WEAKLINGS. They cannot handle a little poison.

>>55408804
>Metaphysical plagues

The Drew Carrey suddenly become philosophy zombies? Identical in every way to themselves, except they don't have conscious thought?

>Rust and Ruin

>uring the fyredust season on Dysactis, a vast Death Guard force advances through the pyroclastic storm fronts in search of the Temple of Ascension. They are met amidst the crackling maelstrom by an enormous force of Iron Warriors, supported by corrupt god-machines from the Legio Abhorrax. Continent-shattering battle ensues. Hordes of Daemons are summoned from the beyond to join the fight. Beneath the gaze of the Cyclonead Statues, Mortarion and Perturabo themselves engage in a spectacular duel that lasts for seven hours. It is a battle reminiscent of the incredible conflicts of the Horus Heresy, and Perturabo’s sons cause terrible damage to the Death Guard force. Yet the longer the fighting rages, the more the contagions and metaliphage poxes of the Death Guard spread through the Iron Warrior ranks. Ancient heretics sicken and collapse. Malevolent war engines seize with rust and shudder, sparking, to a halt. Machine spirits go mad with revulsion and pain, and as the powers of entropy and decay run rampant, the battle swings in Mortarion’s favour.

>With his forces in tatters and many of his precious war engines crippled beyond repair, even bitter Perturabo is finally forced to concede defeat. Falling back to pre-prepared defence lines, he detonates a series of explosive trenches amidst the raging storms and disengages in the ensuing mayhem. Badly mauled but triumphant, Mortarion and his Death Guard lay claim to the heathen temple they fought so hard for, and the ancient secrets that lay at its heart.

Morty > Pert.

>>55408969
Yes, that's just it for the T'au. Anyways that's all the interesting lore from the codex. How do you rate it?

>>55409133
Eh, it is alright, not as great as the CSM fluff work
Thanks for sharing though.

Infecting Necrons is funny though

New character.

>NAUSEOUS ROTBONE

>The name of Nauseous Rotbone is infamous throughout the Death Guard and beyond, for this accomplished Plague Surgeon is the personal physician of Mortarion himself. It is Rotbone who sees to the virulence of the plague censers borne into battle at Mortarion’s feet, and the putrid feculence of the Daemon mites that bear them. It is he that draws his Primarch’s daemonic ichor with needles and grizzle-leeches for use in gruesome rituals and unclean rites. Rotbone listens to his gene-sire’s embittered rants with a doctor’s wry patience, and is one of the few individuals in the galaxy who Mortarion will permit to disagree with his pronouncements or challenge his plans. Originally, Rotbone belonged to the Sons of Sorrow, a vectorium of the 7th Plague Company. Since being chosen and elevated by Mortarion – seemingly on a whim – he has fought alongside, and even led, forces from all the different plague companies. He is the keeper of the surgical dungeons deep within Mortarion’s Black Manse, wherein the Death Guard keep their stocks of tainted gene-seed, and Rotbone’s assaults into realspace are most often launched to gather new samples for this genetic treasure trove, with which he delights in tinkering.

Can you imagine how tiresome to be Morty's personal doctor?

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Ohhhh a nod to old fluff.

>>55409250
>Doc help, something isn't right.
>What is it? Limbs falling off is normal
>I'm almost hopeful today
>You make me sick sometimes

I wonder what it's going to be like when Perturabo and the Iron Warriors come back.

>For the vast majority of the Imperium’s citizens, there is nothing but toil, drudgery and misery. The teeming masses of Humanity face a short and painful lifetime of hardship for which the only reward is the withholding of punishment, and the only escape is death. Ignorant of what is at stake, blind to the price of Imperial defeat, many come to resent their grim existences. Their faith fails them, and something far darker comes to take its place.

>In the shadows of countless Imperial worlds, Chaos cults fester. In abandoned manufactorums and hidden drainage chambers, desecrated shrines and underhab ruins, the dispossessed and disenfranchised garb themselves in the trappings of forbidden worship. They beseech the Dark Gods for aid, for power and material rewards. Most know that they risk everything in the name of fleeting gratification, but so desperate, embittered or insane are they that the bargain still seems worthwhile. So do mortal souls slip into damnation.

The Imperial system creates the very evil they are fighting against. Such irony!

>>55409400
Tau will fix it!

>The first Defilers were created by Warpsmiths on the order of Abaddon the Despoiler to support his Black Crusades. The news of their creation spread quickly throughout the Traitor Legions and renegade warbands, and thus entire campaigns were fought for possession of the dark lore behind the process. Mortarion did not need to resort to such desperate measures. He simply demanded the requisite hexamechanic scrolls from Abaddon as tribute, and the Warmaster – seeing no advantage in antagonising one of the Daemon Primarchs – provided them without question.

How dare Morty make demands of the Warmaster?

Is there anything in the codex about the Glooming Lords Vectorium? Also does the codex state how big a Vectorium is or where they fit into the Death Guard?

>>55408629
Does the Plague Planet have a name now? A description?

>>55409377
Never ever

>>55409074
Ferric Blight, some kind of mold or fungus that eats metal.

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>>55409093
>Tyranids confirmed for WEAKLINGS. They cannot handle a little poison

>Poisons so potent they also killed the Death Guard

>>55409520
Because he's a Primarch, even if he's a gigantic loser, and so would easily kill Abaddon if he refused.

>>55409250
Does the book say anything about how these fuckers recruit? Their gene-seed gotta be rotted to uselessness by now.

>>55409885
They steal the geneseed.

>Plague Surgeons also have another role upon the field of battle, one that has earned them the unending hatred of the Emperor’s Space Marines. Their surgical tools still include ancient, rust-furred reductors capable of cracking open the body of an Adeptus Astartes and extracting his gene-seed. While Plague Surgeons gather the mutated progenoids of their Death Guard brethren wherever they can – despite many having rotted to an untenable degree – they take a macabre glee in falling upon dead or dying loyalists, ripping the progenoid glands from their victims and spiriting them away from the battlefield. Some of this gene-seed is used in the creation of new Death Guard, while the fate of the rest is best left unspoken.

>>55409868
Actually, the Black Legion series says that Abaddon and the Black Legion fought Mort and the Death Guard. Abaddon won but it's said of all the traitor primarchs they fought, Morty came the closet to killing them.

>>55409642
Didn't see any mention of them when I skimmed through.

>>55409782
A name? No. A description, yes. But it's generic.

>>55409520
ADB on suicide watch

>>55409093
>he first Tyranid hive ship to taste this poisoned slurry recoils, its proboscis melting, and is bombarded into oblivion by the rest of its fleet.

Justify this, Tyranidfags. I thought Tyranids can outadapt poisons and infections and happily expose themselves in order to get stronger. Furthermore, why did the Hive Fleet shoot the poor ship to bits. Couldn't they just leave it behind or order it to sail into a sun? Waste of energy and ammo.

>>55410682
Because that shit is strong enough to melt Death Guard and their daemon allies, the losses that would no doubt be taken while working out a countermeasure vastly exceed the benefits gained by eating whatever's left of a world oozing it. And since it was a combo of Death Guard and Tyranid toxins neither side can reliably reproduce it so there's no real point as an offensive or defensive measure. Cut and run is the best strategy, as whatever was left of the Death Guard agreed.

>>55409400
Chaos caused this problems in the first place

>>55409093
>tyranids weaklings
>poisoned a world so bad the death guard couldn't even handle it
Tyranids confirmed able to make poisons strong enough to overcome the death guard, Nurgle on suicide watch.

>>55408870
BTFO by Greyfax in their own codex, fucking pathetic!

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>>55410923
This. Carnac btfo lol.

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>>55408775
>Necromundan Spyders
Cool. It's nice to hear them in the fluff this day and age. I'd love to make an army, I was hoping FW was going to revisit the RT plastic set for the HH era Imperial army.

I'll admit, I was pretty sure the SOB would turn up in this. They are generally a good choice for 'We need someone to job'.

>>55409947
Did Abbadon actually duel Morty though?

>>55408987
>Eisenstein
You think Garro is coming back?

>>55408737
>he Daemon Primarch’s might is too great, however; after Mortarion fells Supreme Grand Master Geronitan in battle, the newly appointed Supreme Grand Master Draigo is forced to work a desperate banishment ritual that hurls Mortarion’s spirit into the warp for many years. It is a pyrrhic victory at best, a respite that Mortarion uses to gather fresh forces and plot his next and greatest invasion of realspace.

Thank god they retconned the Draigo one punch shit and went back to something closer to the audiobook version. grey knight fags can shut the hell up now

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>>55409250
>mfw Footstool is kind of canon now

Totally not the same but its nice that Morty has a confidant.

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>>55411646
That would be a pretty short duel:
>Abaddon charges, waving super-speshul OC daemons sword
>Mortarion buzzes his wings and flies straight up
>Armless flails uselessly on the ground, unable to so much as nick the Primarch's toe
>Mortarion does pic related
>Duel over

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>>55411646
>>55411886
Abaddon and Khayon broke Magnus.

Morty statwise is weaker than Magnus.

>>55412101
Abaddon is statwise raped in a single turn by any Primarch, lol.

>>55411453
>>55410923
>>55411491
What you all fail to realise is that Nurgle has the perfect method to save the galaxy. Poison every world in the galaxy to the point that Tyranids would just be forced to give up.

>>55412101
There is zero context for how they "broke" Magnus, and crunch=\= fluff. But if you want to use crunch, abbadon gets crushed by Morty

>>55412134
Not if Khayon debuffs the daemon primarchs.

>>55412101
>Neither Morty nor Magnus can be arsed to listen to or care about Abaddon
>Neither does anything to help him on Cadia
>Magnus won't so much as answer the door when he comes knocking
>Mortarion demands *tribute* from Abaddon, as from a serf to a lord
>He gets it without a meep of protest
>"W-We totally b-broke the Primarchs, g-guys."

>>55412101
>Abaddon and Khayon broke Magnus.
Incorrect. Khayon made Magnus kneel. Considering we know Khayon isn't more powerful that Magnus its clear that they just forced him to kneel using blackmail or through a deal with Tzeentch.

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watchan anons argue with carnac in a carnac thread

>>55412151
>"If a model from edgy fanfic existed it would *totally* let armless beat up Primarchs, trust me guys!"

>>55412149
We know that Abaddon at some point asked all the traitor primarchs to kneel before him and acknowledge him as warmaster. Mortarion, Magnus, and another guy possibly Angron refused while the others bowed gladly or grudgingly.

The book said that they defeated the three. Magnus was broken and forced to kneel before Abaddon by Khayon which is something the Warp curses Khayon for doing literally tattooing his hands with runes chastising him for it, and you have Mortarion which is said to have been the closet of the daemon primarch to killing Abaddon and his crew through his plagues.

Obviously, Abaddon did not come alone. He brought his whole legion with him to humble the primarchs. Abaddon, Lyras, Khayon, and Firefist combined would wreck any primarch. And I want to know what context do you have in mind for what Khayon did to Magnus? Asked him nicely to kneel? Obviously, it was a violent encounter. Magnus is a prideful being and would never bow unless somebody broke his legs.

>>55412220
>The book
Khayon

>>55412185
No, Talon of Horus he is called KING BREAKER for what he did to Magnus. There are also other mentions of the breakening.

>>55412193
Sevetar got a model. Khayon deserves one too!

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>>55412220
>Abaddon, Lyras, Khayon, and Firefist combined would wreck any primarch

>>55412239
>No.
Literally yes.
>My Warmaster’s forces name me Kingbreaker– the mage who brought Magnus the Red to his knees.
He made him kneel thats it. Stop being retarded.

>>55412220
>We know that Abaddon at some point asked all the traitor primarchs to kneel before him and acknowledge him as warmaster.
No, you know Khayon some Inquisitors that 10,000 years later.

>The first Defilers were created by Warpsmiths on the order of Abaddon the Despoiler to support his Black Crusades. The news of their creation spread quickly throughout the Traitor Legions and renegade warbands, and thus entire campaigns were fought for possession of the dark lore behind the process. Mortarion did not need to resort to such desperate measures. He simply demanded the requisite hexamechanic scrolls from Abaddon as tribute, and the Warmaster – seeing no advantage in antagonising one of the Daemon Primarchs – provided them without question.
Lol, Abaddon literally just kneels and hands Morty tribute on demand. Morty should ask him to shine his shoes and do a little monkey dance while he's at it.

>>55412244
Abaddon tanks, Firefist provides heavy fire support, Khayon summons pets and daemons while casting debuffing spells at the primarch, and Lyras goes in dual wielding and slashing everything to bits.

Moriana stands in the background cheering.

I thought this was a death guard fluff thread, not a Carnac finds a way to reveal his BLACKEDlegion.com fetish thread

>>55412284
No, Abaddon wanted to avoid a war with a power and intact legion for now.

>>55412273
And you think that doesn't require breaking?

>>55412291
>Magnus raises his eyebrow slightly
>Abaddon's head explodes
You forgot the ending, silly.

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>>55412291
Yeah then they all get rekt. BL-fags are the worst. That Black Legion supplement directly states that Abaddon had to beg and bargain with the Daemon Primarchs. Magnus wouldnt even see them and he had to work thorugh Ahriman.

The shitty first persona account of the inquisitions bitchboi isnt changing that.

>>55412324
Guess who the OP is.

>>55412342
>BL-fags
It's just Carnac.

>>55412329
>No, Abaddon wanted to avoid a war with a power and intact legion for now.
"Muh headcannon"

>>55412342
Nah, he cut bargains with them. He didn't beg. Of course, he had them acknowledging his warmastership before that.

>>55412329
>And you think that doesn't require breaking?
Magnus is already broken. Khayon is just a poor mans Ahriman that isnt even relevant outside a couple of BL books. Keep your head canon to yourself especially when the only evidence you've got doesnt support your claim.

>>55412371
What headcanon. It says that Abaddon saw no gain for antagonising Morty and his legion. The codex shows that the Death Guard are still intact as a legion.

>>55412324
It's Brit-posting time, you know that means Carnac will be showing up.

We know it's you ADB.

>>55412378
No, he isn't. Magnus glued himself together. And Khayon is what Ahriman strives to be. A man of little regrets. And text about confronting the primarchs and him gaining the title of King Breaker is proof enough.

>>55412391
If I had a spark of ADB's talent for writing, I wouldn't be here.

>>55412384
>"You have a nice shiny thing there. Give it to me or else."
>"Yes sir, whatever you say sir."
This is what Carnac thinks broken people do. Autistic to the 7nth degree.

>>55412391
I can assure you that there is no way in hell ADB is Carnac.

I can also assure you that if ADB were aware of Carnac and based on at least one comment he's made before, who knows, maybe he is he would be anything but grateful.

>>55412429
Diplomacy, you mean. There was nothing to gain from warring with the Death Guard at that time.

>>55412413
Literally just shit he's making up in the Imperial dungeons.

>>55412436
You can't just say that and not provide any proof.

>>55412455
His mech-daemon hand is daemonically tattooed with runes cursing him for making Magnus kneel. Anyone can just read them.

>>55412439
Notice how he just switches back and forth between "Abaddon could wreck the Primarchs easily" to "Abaddon needs to appease the 'broken' Primarchs with tribute lest they kick his ass".

>>55412487
I never said it was easy. Obviously, the fight with Morty was taxing since he came close to killing them all.

>>55412484
Funny how no one says that but him, huh?

>"Sorcerers can't fake magic tattoos."

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>>55412413
Embarrassing.

>>55412504
>I..I b..broke him I swear
Fucker wasnt even important enough to get teleported off Prospero. Best just to ignore his rants as its not like they're in the codexes.

>>55408843
Everyone bringing up Tyranids and black legion but no one is gonna talk about how Typhus bent Huron over and made him call him "daddy"
I can't believe people actually thought this guy was anywhere close to abbadon in power.


>>During the War in the Rift, Mortarion decapitates the seven champions of Lybria, turning their skulls into virulent death’s heads. These he uses to banish the great Ka’Bandha back into the warp, sending him hence with a mocking gift of despoiled skulls no longer fit for Khorne’s throne.

Khornefags on suicide watch
>b-but they fought so khorne still got blood and skulls he totally won guise!

>>55412497
Mortarion's Two-Step Plan For Beating Abaddon
>STEP ONE: Give him Nurgle's Rot.
>STEP TWO: Sit back and eat some daemon popcorn, laugh.
Optional:
>STEP THREE: Make the new Plaguebearer your personal toady.

>>55412527
What is this nonsense? How dare you? Khayon was on the Planet of Sorcerers and was THIS close to stopping Ahriman's madness. He was the one who punished Ahriman beating him to a pulp and burning away his psychic power but stopped before the final blow was struck.

Whenever Ahriman recalls the names of his brothers, Khayon's name is always among the first.

>>55412528
>Everyone bringing up Tyranids and black legion but no one is gonna talk about how Typhus bent Huron over and made him call him "daddy"
>I can't believe people actually thought this guy was anywhere close to abbadon in power.
Typhus is based enough to call Morty a worthless idiot to his face, being likable makes up for a lot.

Also we have no circumstances, he might just have teleported Deathshroud Terminators in or outflanked Huron at some critical moment.

>>55412608
>What is this nonsense? How dare you?
Yep, it's ADB.

>Whenever Ahriman recalls the names of his brothers, Khayon's name is always among the first.
Not even important enough to merit an offhand mention in the Black Legion, Chaos Space Marines, *or* Thousand Sons codex, kek.

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>>55412413
>Khayon was on the Planet of Sorcerers and was THIS close to stopping Ahriman's madness.
Khayon is a literal who compared to Ahriman. He tried for a cheap shot when Ahriman was tired from casting the rubric and got stopped by another literal who that Ahriman plays like fiddle later on. Find one example of Khayon even being in the same tier as Ahriman I dare you.
>Ahriman is the most powerful Sorcerer of the Thousand Sons. An exile from his own Legion, he is doomed to wander the Eye of Terror, and beyond, in search of knowledge.
>For Ahriman remains the most powerful of the Thousand Sons Sorcerers, and has been endlessly active since his banishment. Over the millennia, he has raided more magical knowledge and stolen more arcana than any – his guarded hoard nearly as sizable as that of Magnus.

>>55412570
Abaddon through the Mark of the Chaos Ascendant already has the Mark of Nurgle. So like the Death Guard he is immune to that plague.

>>55412528
Huron's weakness is apparent in the Hollow Worlds novel where it's shown that doesn't have the willpower to resist the Chaos Gods who were slowly turning him into a daemon prince albeit one that has the mind of a Chaos spawn. He had to use an Old One's device to purge himself from the Chaos taint and reset everything back to zero.

Abaddon on the other hand continuously suffered the attentions and demands of the Chaos Gods for 10K years without breaking or submitting. They cannot ascend him to daemonhood against his will.

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>>55412692
>They cannot ascend him to daemonhood against his will.
This writing makes GoT look good.

>>55412664
No, It's John French. Both ADB and John created Khayon.

>Not even important enough to merit an offhand mention in the Black Legion, Chaos Space Marines, *or* Thousand Sons codex, kek.

Khayon was mentioned in the new IA in the Death Company section.

>>55412684
Khayon throwing a dagger shaped rock at Harmony with his MIND.

Also according to Khayon Ahriman told him that only he among the TS is closest to his power. Khayon disagrees and says that it's just Ahriman being mixing arrogance and with humbleness.

>>55412716
It's okay when Archaon does it, huh?

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>>55412742
>Khayon disagrees and says that it's just Ahriman being mixing arrogance and with humbleness.
Khayon disagrees and think Ahriman is manipulating him you literal retard. My god you're dumb.

>>55412692
>Abaddon through the Mark of the Chaos Ascendant already has the Mark of Nurgle. So like the Death Guard he is immune to that plague.
Lol, show examples of how the Mark makes you immune to Nurgle's Rot?

>They cannot ascend him to daemonhood against his will.
Or else he'll what? It's trivially easy, just cram voodoo into him until his body is so overloaded it's daemonhood or spawndom with no way out. He's just more useful to his masters the way he is.

>>55412631
No, the fluff was posted earlier in the thread. Specifically mentioned Typhus beat Huron in a duel, then left him alive to let him know what a bitch he is

>>55412796
see

>>55408843

>>55412742
>Khayon was mentioned in the new IA in the Death Company section.
And not at all in the Black Legion timeline in the actual codex.

>Khayon throwing a dagger shaped rock at Harmony with his MIND.
Literally everything you say is just Khayon's rambling to the Inquisition in a torture cell.

>>55412773
>You have heard me speak of Ahriman before. I know you know his name, from his many predations upon the Imperium. My brother, my naïve but most admirably honest brother, Ahzek Ahriman once told me that he alone among the Nine Legions stood above me in talent with the Art. It was typical of his habit for blending humility with arrogance, to say nothing of manipulation.

>I cannot speak for the veracity of his words. In the long years of my life, while almost all of my sorcerous rivals lie dead, a few of them came close to killing me. There are others whom I would never wish to face, and still others that carry reputations equal to, or greater than, mine.

Yes, he was trying to manipulate him by telling him he was stronger. But Ahriman lied because he is an arrogant prick. Khayon and his daemon deck are unbeatable.

Ahriman never broke a Primarch.

>I am Iskandar Khayon, called Khayon the Black, Breaker of the Crimson King, Raider of Graves, Lord of the Ashen Dead, Third of the Ezekarion, Lord Vigilator of the Black Legion. I am the judge of my brothers’ sins and the taker of traitors’ heads. I am what my brother needed me to become– now, as ever, I am his blade at the throats of his foes. I am a blinded, tortured prisoner in Inquisitorial shackles. I am the Herald of the Crimson Path.

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>>55412742
>Also according to Khayon Ahriman told him that only he among the TS is closest to his power. Khayon disagrees and says that it's just Ahriman being mixing arrogance and with humbleness.
The more you try to wank him the dumber both he and Abaddon look for pointlessly throwing his life away.

Bet armless wishes he had Khayon back instead of this loser, huh?

>>55412827
>Khayon and his daemon deck are unbeatable.
It's ADB.

>>55412780
>Lol, show examples of how the Mark makes you immune to Nurgle's Rot?

The Death Guard codex says the only way to escape the Rot is to serve Nurgle or die. Abaddon serves Nurgle by having the Mark.

>Or else he'll what? It's trivially easy, just cram voodoo into him until his body is so overloaded it's daemonhood or spawndom with no way out. He's just more useful to his masters the way he is.

Mind over matter. As long as Abaddon's will and sense of purpose remain strong, the Chaos Gods "gifts" will not break him.

>>55412829
Nah.
Moriana is more important than Khayon, I figure.

>>55412827
>Ahriman never broke a Primarch.
You see the delusion of the Carnac here, treating the ramblings of some idiot in a dungeon as incontrovertible truth out of a furious desire to suck Abaddon's dick.

The reality of their relationship - Abaddon knocks and Magnus doesn't even care - is just too depressing for him, I guess.

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>>55412827
>Khayon and his daemon deck are unbeatable.
>I am a blinded, tortured prisoner in Inquisitorial shackles.
BTFO by yourself. Classic.

>>55412848
>Mind over matter. As long as Abaddon's will and sense of purpose remain strong, the Chaos Gods "gifts" will not break him.
It's adorable that both you and he think that.

As you love to stress, Chaos is at it's strongest. Spawning armless in the Eye would be a trivial backhand for any god.

>>55412827
>>But Ahriman lied because he is an arrogant prick.
So I guess the fluff is lying too?

>Then a solitary legionary limped from the firestorm, the gemstone upon his chest a too-bright beacon that spoke of their shared destiny.
>+Ahriman,+ said Magnus. +Help us. Help me!+
>The legionary broke the circle of the mandala, and stood before him. The Great Ocean swelled within him, stronger than any of his other sons. How had Magnus not seen this before?
>Ahriman placed his hand upon the primarch’s chest and threw his head back in agony as a measure of the power consuming his primarch passed into a body wholly unable to bear such a burden.

>Ahriman is the most powerful Sorcerer of the Thousand Sons. An exile from his own Legion, he is doomed to wander the Eye of Terror, and beyond, in search of knowledge.

>For Ahriman remains the most powerful of the Thousand Sons Sorcerers, and has been endlessly active since his banishment. Over the millennia, he has raided more magical knowledge and stolen more arcana than any – his guarded hoard nearly as sizable as that of Magnus.

So proof that you're wrong. How will you handle it? Denial? Ignore it? Admit you were wrong? Lets see shall we.

>>55412815
Except for the fact that Khayon or Khayon's feats are mentioned in other novels. In Fabius's novel, they make mention of the "spear" that destroyed the city.

>‘It is still there, you know. Canticle City. Ruined, of course, but it still exists, spread out in the shadow of Abaddon’s spear. We meet there, when the tides of the empyrean allow, and discuss our future. It has become a place of reflection for us.’

>>55412898
By his own choosing.

>>55412888
See my first reply. Eventually, the humbling of Magnus will pop up in another book.

>>55412951
Actually, no. If they had the power, they would have done so by now because Abaddon refuses to bow before them but takes their gifts anyways. Abaddon sees himself as their equal. So why haven't they spawned him yet?

>>55412959
Brute strength cannot beat skill.

>>55412990
because it suits them. Every pawn of Chaos has always imagined itself to be Chaos' master, Abbadon is just like Horus and Archaeon in that regard

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>>55412462
It should be obvious to anyone who's familiar with how Carnac posts, and how ADB or anyone else whose first language is English posts. And if ADB really wanted to anonymously promote himself, he wouldn't be doing it the way Carnac does. Most people who aren't completely braindead wouldn't.

Not to mention all the manifold topics Carnac has rabidly spewed his verbal jism over throughout the years which ADB has never shown even the slightest indication of giving a shit about.

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>>55412990
>Brute strength cannot beat skill.
So you choose denial. Predictable. Have your last (you) carnac and as always its good to see you squirm when you're proven wrong.

>>55412807
Thank you for linking me back to the exact fluff I was referencing

>Typhus duels – and humbles – Huron Blackheart atop the ruins of the Endless Spire

>>55412969
>Except for the fact that Khayon or Khayon's feats are mentioned in other novels. In Fabius's novel, they make mention of the "spear" that destroyed the city.
Literally not a single mention in any source or supplement outside the land of backflipping Terminators.

>>55413009
That's not what I meant. You just flip flopped.

>and based on at least one comment he's made before, who knows, maybe he is

What do you mean by this? Got the related post?

>>55412969
>See my first reply. Eventually, the humbling of Magnus will pop up in another book.

>GW will have the almighty Daemon Primarch in all his chad plastic glory job to some literally who
>To shill a pathetic manlet no one's cared about in 20 years
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
*breathes*
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHA!

>>55413014
Except I wasn't. I already know that Ahriman is the strongest but the most skilled in the arts? Not even close. None of Ahriman's feats are as impressive as Khayon's.

>>55413020
Wrong.

Death Company section in the new IA. It's GW digital content.

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>death guard thread
>Carnac shitting it up with literal cancer

I don't know why I expected any different

>>55412990
>Actually, no. If they had the power, they would have done so by now because Abaddon refuses to bow before them but takes their gifts anyways. Abaddon sees himself as their equal. So why haven't they spawned him yet?
Because he makes a decent puppet on occasion, much the same as Bel'acuck. He'll be disposed of in an instant when his usefulness runs out.

>>55413063
Except for one little detail. Abaddon is said to maintain his freewill. Be'lakor on the other hand has the illusion of a freewill. The Chaos Gods can pull Be'lakor's strings but they can never do that to Abaddon.

> He'll be disposed of in an instant when his usefulness runs out.

That's a contingency that Abaddon has planned for. Moriana told Abaddon that the Chaos Gods would destroy him for his future betrayal. Abaddon knows and he will screw over the Chaos Gods.

Of all the beasts of sky and field man has yolked to do his bidding, all but the humble dog believe themselves to be man's equal, if not masters of their own destiny. Only the dog knows the truth, that they are a diversion at best and a tool at worst, and only the dog takes care to always supplicate for mans favor.

Say what you will of Lorgar - for he is a Dog, yes, but unlike you he understands.

>>55413030
Whoops, didn't realise who. Don't worry, you've seen it already, and I was kinda reaching with that anyway.

>>55413114
I would remember If I did.

>and I was kinda reaching with that anyway.

Of course, you were. I am disappointed, putting words in other people's mouths. Inferring intentions that aren't there. And you did to ADB. The kindest and chillest soul out there. You monster.

>>55413087
>Except for one little detail. Abaddon is said to maintain his freewill. Be'lakor on the other hand has the illusion of a freewill. The Chaos Gods can pull Be'lakor's strings but they can never do that to Abaddon.
Abaddon is so weak-willed *Be'lakor*, the galaxy's biggest loser, can pull his strings.

>That's a contingency that Abaddon has planned for. Moriana told Abaddon that the Chaos Gods would destroy him for his future betrayal. Abaddon knows and he will screw over the Chaos Gods.
It's adorable that you seriously believe that.

>Tzeentch: Blast him with your lascannons until he's dead
>Havocs who souls he owns: Alrightly then
>*cue Order 66*

And that's one of the most trivially obvious ones.

>>55413135
>>55413087
While Abaddon wank is silly, I imagine he WILL fuck over the chaos gods somehow with his spite, probably by reviving the Emperor. Age of Emperor soon.

>>55413135
>Abaddon is so weak-willed *Be'lakor*, the galaxy's biggest loser, can pull his strings.

Actually, Abaddon is aware of Be'lakor's little game.

>And that's one of the most trivially obvious ones.

Actually, Abaddon only trusts those who put the legion above the gods. He doesn't draw close those who are blinded by the devotion to the gods.

And it was obvious in Fall of Cadia where the Black Legion gave zero fucks that their gifts and daemonic allies disappeared. They only focused on the dying of the Emperor's light and fought harder.

>>55413133
>Of course, you were. I am disappointed, putting words in other people's mouths. Inferring intentions that aren't there. And you did to ADB. The kindest and chillest soul out there. You monster.
You really need to be less obvious about it, ADB.

>>55413158
Ackhually

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>>55413158
>Actually, Abaddon is aware of Be'lakor's little game.
By your own statements he successfully manipulated Abaddon into backstabbing the Sons of the Eye commander like cowardly bitch.

>Actually, Abaddon only trusts those who put the legion above the gods. He doesn't draw close those who are blinded by the devotion to the gods.
One of his closest commanders *just* became a Daemon Prince of Khorne and had been seeking it for a long time. In other words you're lying as usual.

>And it was obvious in Fall of Cadia where the Black Legion gave zero fucks that their gifts and daemonic allies disappeared. They only focused on the dying of the Emperor's light and fought harder.
Don't forget the part where they ran away... twice.

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its another "Carnac derails a whole thread to wank abadoo and gayuon" episode

>>55413195
>By your own statements he successfully manipulated Abaddon into backstabbing the Sons of the Eye commander like cowardly bitch.

Accompanying text implies that Abaddon doesn't trust Be'lakor at all.

>One of his closest commanders *just* became a Daemon Prince of Khorne and had been seeking it for a long time. In other words you're lying as usual.

Where does it say that he is close to Abaddon? He is just commander in his legion.

>Don't forget the part where they ran away... twice.

Notice when you are proven wrong, you scurry into a non-point.

>>55413133
I was going to not post this, since I can imagine how anons will react to the rest of what he says, but very well.

http://www.bolterandchainsword.com/topic/303003-master-of-mankindon-the-horizon/page-9#entry4546943
>the "reading the novels for information" types (especially on /tg/)

A while back, someone directed that bit at you and you denied it. Though even if ADB was aware of and did mean you, he obviously didn't have the whole picture.

>>55413278
>since I can imagine how anons will react to the rest of what he says, but very well.

Quit being a goddamn coward.

Yes, I read that and you are reaching indeed. Also ADB was clearly wrong here or being coy since MoM had TONS of information that I and many anons found interesting.

>A while back, someone directed that bit at you and you denied it.

No, I didn't.

>>55413309
Oh right, looks like I misremembered. I'd also forgotten it was actually you who brought up that B&C post in the first place, silly me.

http://desuarchive.org/tg/thread/50111500/#50116191

>>55413238
>Accompanying text implies that Abaddon doesn't trust Be'lakor at all.
And that means that he's just a cowardly, backstabbing bitch of his own initiative then? Good to know.

>Where does it say that he is close to Abaddon? He is just commander in his legion.
You're an especially shameless liar. Urkanthos at ascension was Lord Ravager of the Black Legion, one of four Chosen of Abaddon as described in the BL supplement, and commander of the entire Black Fleet. That's as close as you get.

>Notice when you are proven wrong, you scurry into a non-point.
Bravely ran away away... lol.

>>55413472
>And that means that he's just a cowardly, backstabbing bitch of his own initiative then? Good to know.

It's not backstabbing in you backstab first.

>You're an especially shameless liar. Urkanthos at ascension was Lord Ravager of the Black Legion, one of four Chosen of Abaddon as described in the BL supplement, and commander of the entire Black Fleet. That's as close as you get.

Then he betrayed Abaddon's trust then.

>Bravely ran away away... lol.

Again, a non-point to being proven wrong.

>>55413520
Here is the command structure of the Legion and methodology.

>These meetings of the Legion’s commanders were the most visible efforts to bring order from disorder. We would speak of supply lines, resources, materiel, formations, crew numbers, targets, duties… In short, we would behave as if we were an organised fighting force, not a disparate conclave of warband leaders bound together in a realm that defied physics and military logistics. Every warrior would speak their piece, citing their relevant contributions. Abaddon, in turn, would hold court in relative silence. He knew the value of letting his subcommanders exercise their authority and– as with any army– feed on their various rivalries. Officers were driven not just to excel before Abaddon and earn his sparse praise, but to exceed the deeds and usefulness of their kindred’s warbands, impressing the Ezekarion and putting themselves in the running to serve the Legion’s highest commanders.

>Abaddon was cautious with his compliments, but one truth was always in evidence: those who quelled internal rivalry within their warbands, either by charisma, murder, or ritual challenges– those who could be trusted to fight reliably and not abandon battle plans at the whim of their own blood-greed or to heed the calls of the Gods– these were, without fail, the warriors who were most often rewarded. To them fell the positions of honour and glory within every assault, and the Ezekarion leaned most heavily upon them to secure victory. They became the backbone of the Black Legion.

>>55413520
>It's not backstabbing in you backstab first.
Agree to work together. Literally stab the other guy in the back with no provocation during your mutual victory speech.

"Not backstabbing"

>Then he betrayed Abaddon's trust then.
Alternatively you're completely wrong and Abaddon's inner circle includes many devoted worshipers of Chaos who would be perfectly willing to karmicly shoot him in the back the moment their masters demanded it. Alternatively Abaddon is too stupid to notice his direct subordinate chanting praises to Khorne as he grows ever more mutated and powerful. For centuries.

>Again, a non-point to being proven wrong.
You've proven nothing and been BTFO time and time again (an alleged BL fan not even reading their supplement or knowing their chief commanders).

>>55413566
>Agree to work together. Literally stab the other guy in the back with no provocation during your mutual victory speech.

Except that Be'lakor fanned the fires of resentment and paranoia in Abaddon's heart. Abaddon backstabbed a guy whom he thought would backstab him in the future.

>Alternatively you're completely wrong and Abaddon's inner circle includes many devoted worshipers of Chaos who would be perfectly willing to karmicly shoot him in the back the moment their masters demanded it. Alternatively Abaddon is too stupid to notice his direct subordinate chanting praises to Khorne as he grows ever more mutated and powerful. For centuries.

Nope, not wrong. See >>55413556

And if they are that disloyal and devoted to the gods they would have been broken when their Chaos Gods ceased blessing them when the Pylons activated. That did not happen.

>You've proven nothing and been BTFO time and time again (an alleged BL fan not even reading their supplement or knowing their chief commanders).

Wrong. I proved that the Black Legion cared not for the Chaos Gods and are focused mostly on revenge.

And I am not a Black Legion fan. Been a while since I read the supplement.

>>55413556
No, here it is as told by an actually reliable source:

>From the ranks of these powerful and vile Traitor Space Marines the Warmaster chose his generals. Devram Korda, infamous for distilling the life essence of Hive Sarora into a potent Warp-draught to grant himself immortality. Ygethmor, Sorcerer Lord, the cursed seer of the Cyclopia Cabal, who are rumoured to have found a way to tear secrets from the souls of imprisoned Eldar. Skyrak Slaughterborn, warlord of the Bringers of Decay, leader of a horde of insane plague-ridden warriors who bear weapons dripping in virulent poisons and filth-encrusted armour. Urkanthos, the commander ofthe Black Fleet, a master of naval conflict and death -dealing in the void and a peerless captain.

So we have:
>Guy literally called "the Deciever"
>"Insane" Nurgle-worshippers
>Bloodthirsty Khornate soon to be Daemon Prince
>Literally who, Leader of the Slaaneshi Children of Torment

Noticing a theme here? There's no screening against worshipers of the gods,

>>55413594
Chaos worship is not forbidden. Being so consumed by it that you ignore orders and the put the devotion for the gods above the Legion's goals is what is forbidden.

These guys wouldn't have reached far if they were the gods first types.

>>55413589
>Except that Be'lakor fanned the fires of resentment and paranoia in Abaddon's heart. Abaddon backstabbed a guy whom he thought would backstab him in the future.
So Abaddon *is* so weak-willed a loser like Be'lakor can manipulate him. Glad to see you admit it.

And he's still a backstabbing bitch.

>And if they are that disloyal and devoted to the gods they would have been broken when their Chaos Gods ceased blessing them when the Pylons activated. That did not happen.
A lot of the more blessed ones just up and died on the spot when their impossible forms suddenly were forced to conform to reality. All the Possessed, for example.

And they *did* break and run when the Warp threatened to shut off completely. It wasn't all gone when the teleportarium fired up.

>Wrong. I proved that the Black Legion cared not for the Chaos Gods and are focused mostly on revenge.
Literally all the high commanders worship the gods openly, many are daemons, many more wish to be. Others just chose to have daemons living in their heads.

>And I am not a Black Legion fan. Been a while since I read the supplement.
As frantically as you clearly lust to suck Abaddon's dick I find that hard to believe.

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>>55413589
>And I am not a Black Legion fan.

>>55413613
You don't reach Daemonhood if you aren't devoted. Urkanthos, just as one proven instance, could very easily order the Black Fleet to conduct a saturation bombardment on the continent Abaddon was standing on if Khorne told him to do it.

>>55413636
>So Abaddon *is* so weak-willed a loser like Be'lakor can manipulate him. Glad to see you admit it.

No, he just has a hard spot for Sons of Horus warbands that defy him. It didn't need much to convince him to kill that guy.

>And he's still a backstabbing bitch.

Like all CSM.

>A lot of the more blessed ones just up and died on the spot when their impossible forms suddenly were forced to conform to reality. All the Possessed, for example.

The possessed are controlled by daemons. They are not people anymore.

And nobody is more blessed than Abaddon and he survived through it. Most of the CSM did.

>And they *did* break and run when the Warp threatened to shut off completely.

Because it threatened to strand them behind enemy lines knowing full well that if they didn't die by loyalist guns then they would be crushed by BSE remnants.

>Literally all the high commanders worship the gods openly, many are daemons, many more wish to be. Others just chose to have daemons living in their heads.

And none of them would have gained their positions if they choose godly loyalties over the legion. We have examples of Abaddon gruesomely punishing those who choose loyalties to their original legions or gods above the Black Legion's interest.

>As frantically as you clearly lust to suck Abaddon's dick I find that hard to believe.

Abaddon and what he represents. The CSM as a whole don't interest me.

>>55413667
Except for the fact that if Abaddon survives (and he will), the daemon prince would be in a world of pain. Daemons think twice before crossing Abaddon. And daemon princes (such as Be'lakor) have proven that they can rebel against their masters.

>>55413640
I like Illic Nightspear. Can you really call me an Eldar lover for that?

>VENGEFUL BEYOND REASON

>Whilst his rival Legions struggle amongst themselves for the fickle favour of their chosen gods, Abaddon has a purity of purpose that all have come to respect. Under his banners march twisted Adeptus Astartes from every Traitor Legion, renegade Chapters that have defected from the post-Heresy Imperium, hordes of cultists, beast-headed mutants, Space Marines who have given their bodies to possession by Daemons, war engines from the Soul Forge and a thousand other freakish strains of anarchist and monster.

>The denizens of the Eye have learned over the millennia that those who swear an oath of fealty to the Despoiler would do well not to break it. When the World Eaters that had promised their aid to Abaddon left his armies to join the fighting upon Skalathrax, the Warmaster abandoned his plans, tracked the Berzerkers down and severed their limbs before cauterising their wounds with a flamer, leaving them as little more than screaming stumps unworthy of a place at the Blood God’s table. When the Emperor’s Children that had joined the Black Legion turned upon their masters at Faeruthia he blinded and deafened them to a man, tearing out their tongues and sealing them in inert gel-skin so their sensory deprivation was complete. Upon the crystal planet of Liolonac the Sorcerers of the Thousand Sons denied Abaddon the audience they had promised him, having found a relic of unsurpassed value. The Warmaster visited a mutagenic plague upon them that twisted them into bulging repulsive mounds of flesh before lobotomising them and hunting them until death with a pack of warped hounds.

>>55413738
>Abaddon’s vengeance is not limited to his brother Traitors. When a wilderness shrine upon Plutol refused to bow to his authority, Abaddon killed every other human upon the planet before personally visiting the shrine and forcing the priests to eat the bodies of those they had once prayed for. Such is the magnitude and thoroughness of each act of revenge that even Daemons fear to cross Abaddon. In his singleminded quest to bring the galaxy to heel he earned a new name; the Despoiler, he who would stop at nothing to secure revenge.

Cross Abaddon at your peril.

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>>55413683
>Like all CSM.
Yes, filthy traitors naturally lack morals and loyalty.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6WEWuOERVmI

>The possessed are controlled by daemons. They are not people anymore.
Yes they are. Every series where one is shown in detail reveals a symbiotic relationship. The man inside still exists.

>And nobody is more blessed than Abaddon and he survived through it. Most of the CSM did.
Abaddon isn't nearly as mutated as other, more favored CSM.

>Because it threatened to strand them behind enemy lines knowing full well that if they didn't die by loyalist guns then they would be crushed by BSE remnants.
What are gunships?

And the BSE didn't drop until Abaddon gave the signal after retreating from the scene of his latest dismal failure.

>And none of them would have gained their positions if they choose godly loyalties over the legion. We have examples of Abaddon gruesomely punishing those who choose loyalties to their original legions or gods above the Black Legion's interest.
It's called pulling a double-cross. No of the Chaos Gods have ordered their followers in the BL to gun Abaddon down during breakfast.... yet.

>Abaddon and what he represents. The CSM as a whole don't interest me.
It's a pity you picked the unironic worst Undivided Legion to be obsessed with:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2f8EEk1TW5I

>>55413698
>>55413746

>Except for the fact that if Abaddon survives (and he will), the daemon prince would be in a world of pain.
As I will never tire of pointing out, Abaddon is perfectly vulnerable to mundane guns and he knows it, hence why he scampered miserably away from the Cadians and Eldar. A cyclonic torpedo on his head just as his teleportarium is suddenly out of order would do the trick just fine.

>Daemons think twice before crossing Abaddon.

LOL:

>A Clear Message (983.M41) - Warmaster Abaddon sends envoys to demand the Skullsworn swear allegiance to his cause. Some months later, the envoys' corpses are returned to Abaddon by leering Daemons, their heads missing and the rune of Khorne carved into their chests.

>>55413814
>Yes, filthy traitors naturally lack morals and loyalty.

Like loyalists.

>Yes they are. Every series where one is shown in detail reveals a symbiotic relationship. The man inside still exists.

No, only the first batch was symbiotic. All others are daemon driven.

>Abaddon isn't nearly as mutated as other, more favored CSM.

He is more blessed and mutated than the rest. The Talon of Horus is fused to his arm.

>What are gunships?

Things would get shoot down by loyalists.

>And the BSE didn't drop until Abaddon gave the signal after retreating from the scene of his latest dismal failure.

And they retreated because of his orders. What's the issue then?

>It's called pulling a double-cross. No of the Chaos Gods have ordered their followers in the BL to gun Abaddon down during breakfast.... yet.

Or that they fear incurring the wrath of Abaddon.

>It's a pity you picked the unironic worst Undivided Legion to be obsessed with:

The Word Bearers and Iron Warriors are too boring and weak, though.

>>55413825
>As I will never tire of pointing out, Abaddon is perfectly vulnerable to mundane guns and he knows it, hence why he scampered miserably away from the Cadians and Eldar. A cyclonic torpedo on his head just as his teleportarium is suddenly out of order would do the trick just fine.

Actually, the assassin dataslate implies that like Horus, Abaddon enjoys the protection of the gods rendering him unkillable by mortal weapons.


>c.M31 THE HORUS HERESY

>After the Warmaster Horus’ treachery is revealed, an early incarnation of the Officio Assassinorum sends four operatives, one from each of the major temples, to hunt down and destroy the traitor Primarch. All four are found wanting, for Horus is powerful beyond the reach of mortal men, and his destiny lies elsewhere.

>999.M41 THE FOE UNTOUCHABLE

>Within the Eye of Terror, a Black Crusade of unprecedented size musters to break open the Cadian Gate. Rumours abound that its supreme warlord is empowered by the Gods of Chaos, and that whilst he enjoys their favour, cannot be laid low by mortal weaponry. The agents of the Officio Assassinorum are dispatched en masse to slay the Warmaster Abaddon and his most favoured lieutenants before they breach realspace. One by one they reach a succession of grisly ends, and still Abaddon remains at large.

>>A Clear Message (983.M41) - Warmaster Abaddon sends envoys to demand the Skullsworn swear allegiance to his cause. Some months later, the envoys' corpses are returned to Abaddon by leering Daemons, their heads missing and the rune of Khorne carved into their chests.

And these guys will pay for their insolence sooner or later. I mean brought Kharn himself to heel after his multiple refusal. These guys are nothing.

>>55413868
>Actually, the assassin dataslate implies that like Horus, Abaddon enjoys the protection of the gods rendering him unkillable by mortal weapons.
Then why did he run away from Cadians with mundane lasguns and Eldar with regular guns, Carnac?

And if the Chaos Gods are doing that all they have to do is flick the off switch when they want him dead.

>And these guys will pay for their insolence sooner or later. I mean brought Kharn himself to heel after his multiple refusal. These guys are nothing.
The last we saw of Kharn he was rampaging single-handedly through a Black Legion vessel slaughtering Abaddon's luckless peons after being unwillingly withdrawn from the fight via teleporter. Next time he shows up its with his Khornate pals again.

And promises, promises. Magnus ignores him and Mortarion flat-out extorts him and what does Abaddon do? Nothing.

>>55413925
>Then why did he run away from Cadians with mundane lasguns and Eldar with regular guns, Carnac?

Even if he is unkillable, the Cadians would swarm all over him and capture him.

As for the Eldar? They kinda gave non-mortal weaponry in abundance.

>The last we saw of Kharn he was rampaging single-handedly through a Black Legion vessel slaughtering Abaddon's luckless peons after being unwillingly withdrawn from the fight via teleporter. Next time he shows up its with his Khornate pals again.

He was fighting on Amethal by Abaddon's will. That was Abaddon tasked him with.

>And promises, promises. Magnus ignores him and Mortarion flat-out extorts him and what does Abaddon do? Nothing.

At some point in the Black Legion series, Khayon will tell us of their battles with the traitor primarchs. ADB repeated writing of Khayon as the one who broke Magnus must be leading to somewhere.

>>55413844
>Like loyalists.
The Ultramarines are loyalists and of the most moral people in the Imperium. Certainly you'd never see one of *them* slaughter a brother out of paranoia and pettiness.

>He is more blessed and mutated than the rest. The Talon of Horus is fused to his arm.
And that's about the only notable mutation he features. No flaming aura, no spines bursting from his armor, no transforming arm weapons, etc. Not much deviation from a baseline Astartes. Otherwise he would have keeled over without the Warp to sustain him.

>And they retreated because of his orders. What's the issue then?
Cowardice, mostly.

>Or that they fear incurring the wrath of Abaddon.

>Can't beat some elves on a ridge
>Fear

>The Word Bearers and Iron Warriors are too boring and weak, though.
Word Bearers are ten times as interesting and vastly braver.

Lorgar will have a plastic model before Armless, lol

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>>55413970
>The Maelstrom of Gore

>Khârn the Betrayer and his Berzerkers are sent by Abaddon to wreak havoc upon the forge world of Amethal, a planet that houses a relic from the Dark Age of Technology that keeps innumerable Daemons caged beneath its crust. Alongside the renegades of the Crimson Slaughter, Khârn and his warriors kill so many Cult Mechanicus servitors and cyborg Skitarii that blood rains from the skies as a sign of Khorne’s favour. When the Blood Angels descend to bolster the Adeptus Mechanicus’ troops, the World Eaters find themselves matched against a worthy foe, but Khârn still proves unstoppable. Once the Warmaster’s objective – the cracking of the Daemon cage – is achieved, his forces withdraw. Shortly afterwards, Khârn and his Berzerkers disappear in a tempest of gore.

Abaddon demanded that Khorne give him Kharn's obedience and Khorne agreed. Though, Kharn had to be beaten by Abaddon and a Bloodthister for a while before he agreed to this.

>>55413970
>>55413970
>He was fighting on Amethal by Abaddon's will. That was Abaddon tasked him with.
And he broke loose being the reasonable inference from what was see him doing last and what he's up to in the new timeline.

>At some point in the Black Legion series, Khayon will tell us of their battles with the traitor primarchs. ADB repeated writing of Khayon as the one who broke Magnus must be leading to somewhere.
Khayon is a demented loser in a dungeon. An objective source just told us Mortarion holds Abaddon in scorn and has successfully extorted tribute from him.

>>55413972
>The Ultramarines are loyalists and of the most moral people in the Imperium. Certainly you'd never see one of *them* slaughter a brother out of paranoia and pettiness.

Even the Ultramarines have moments questionable moments.

>And that's about the only notable mutation he features. No flaming aura, no spines bursting from his armor, no transforming arm weapons, etc. Not much deviation from a baseline Astartes. Otherwise he would have keeled over without the Warp to sustain him.

Except for the fact that Abaddon is so bloated with corruption that it hurts anyone to look at him.

>Cowardice, mostly.

Nah. They would have fought on if the order wasn't given.

>>Can't beat some elves on a ridge

Here you are doing it again. Get proven wrong and throw a non-point.

>Word Bearers are ten times as interesting and vastly braver.

Boring gnats with a boring series with no interesting characters.

>>55413998
>And he broke loose being the reasonable inference from what was see him doing last and what he's up to in the new timeline.

He fulfilled his task. Abaddon extracted from the planet because he still has use for him. When Abaddon needs Kharn again, he will come for him and if Kharn decides to once again be a drama queen Abaddon will beat him up again gladly.

-----

And we have a objective source saying that the traitor primarchs are/were under the command of Abaddon

>Abaddon had many fractionalised forces to command, from rival Legions to the Daemon Primarchs that awaited in the Warp. He had little patience for the foolish egos of lesser commanders. They would bow or they would die. Yet there was something about Kranon’s proud bearing that Abaddon admired. Despite the rampages of the Crimson Slaughter, they were efficient – something that still pulled to that part of him that was always an old Legionnaire. Besides, none knew better than he the fickleness of Daemons. He laughed and welcomed the Crimson Slaughter to the Black Crusade, assigning them a place of honour amongst the attackers.

>>The Ultramarines are loyalists and of the most moral people in the Imperium. Certainly you'd never see one of *them* slaughter a brother out of paranoia and pettiness.

I had to do a double take over this line. You serious believe this? That's what the Inquisition and Admech do all the time. Civil wars have been fought in the Imperium for the silliest of reasons like deciding which Imperial calendar was the correct one.

>>55414057

There's a few groups who are opposed to it. The SOB have a big thing against it (Which is what threw them into conflict with a few marine chapters who are rather indiscriminate).

Still, I don't recall any stories saying the Ultramarines are one such group.

>>55414076
In one of the Warhammer Monthly comics an Ultramarine, IIRC, called Invictus treated a Guardsman harshly and used him as bait for the Dark Eldar.

>The SOB have a big thing against it

And they have a big thing against the Admech. The Admech codex says that wars between the Church and Admech are not uncommon.

>>55408629
Anything about DG fighting Tau?

>>55414096

>And they have a big thing against the Admech. The Admech codex says that wars between the Church and Admech are not uncommon.

The SOB/Admech relationship is very complicated. On one hand: The are very close allies (The mechanicus produce the power armour for the SOB/The exorcist tanks are considered Mechanicus relics lent to the SOB).

On the other: The Fucking Ecclessiarchy likes to wave it's dick about and try to get other groups to obey it and the Mechanicus likes to tinker with things other groups think is really fucking stupid to mess with.

It's one of those things I find hilarious in the SOB books. The SOB may think the mechanicus are reckless and dangerously interested in necron-tech but few groups piss them off as much personally as dealing with Cardinals, as they are not just annoying but they are often just power hungry rather than genuinely faithful. A group of SOB actually pull 'Sorry, I must have missed it' when a priest gets decked in the Enforcer books.

I'd like to see a Mechanicus/SOB vs Dark Mechanicus book some time. Show how such a group offends both of them on a religious level equally (If not in the same way)

>>55414125
see

>>55408775

Only this and one piece of art.

>>55408870

>She had to bring her fat ass into someone else's codex and ruin it, didn't she?

Amusing to see how enraged 40k neckbeards become to see strong female characters.

>>55409050
>minotaurs without gene seed
>implying they won't just break out some more IW stores

I wonder if Perty or other Traitor legions know the truth of the Minotaurs.

>>55409093
>Tyranids plague a world so much that the Plague Marines get wrecked
I don't know that I would count that as a win for DG.

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>>55408737
>>55411673
Does the 8E Grey Knights codex mention this?

>More chaos Wank

Yawn. Nobody cares about the Daddy issues fanction.

>>55408804
>How the heck are diseased dudes perfectly good for the EC?

Maybe they didn't know. I mean if the guardsmen didn't know maybe the EC didn't know either.

Alternatively, they could have had a sorcerer capable of neutralizing it, or perhaps an apothecary that developed a cure, but that's unlikely and not implied by that description at all. So I'll go with the first explanation.

>>55412101
Khayon is literally not canon though

>>55408987
>What happens on the 7th?

The same thing that happens every time, Pinky. We try to take over the galaxy!

>>55409947
Novels' lore are trumped by codexes'. ADB would never write A bad don appearing weak or in a position of moral capitulation, but it doesn't matter because Aaron Dick-in-Bottom's fanwank books got rekt by GW lore.

>>55415794
>Novels' lore are trumped by codexes'

Cite an official source for this or get the fuck out.

>>55412423
>>55412436
ADB is Carnac. Notice how Carnac only ever seems to talk about recent *fluff* written by ADB?

>>55415799
Because codexes are official GW books and BL books are subsidiary products written by freelance writers.

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>>55408629
>All are welcome to Nurgle's embrace

Oh really now.

>>55415849
No official source I see. Kindly see yourself out.

>>55415895
And where is the official source that says novels are canon? Works both ways, nigger.

>>55413137
Holy shit, that would be the absolute best thing to happen to the setting.
>Abaddon instantly destroys all the memes mocking him and becomes the absolutest madman in the setting
>We get Big E back
>ADB and Carnac get cucked in the worst possible way, their husbando reviving their proxy abusive dad

>>55415237
>out of the named males, a huge chunk are cowards, spineless weaklings or fodder
>almost every single named female is some form of badass
Amusing to see how enraged manginas get at the slightest hint of criticism.

May I ask for a link to the epub please

>>55416056
Did you not notice how there are way more named males than females? Like a 100:1 ratio at least?

>>55415977
The simple fact that it has GW's logo.

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Codex says that Abaddon had to bargain with daemon primarchs, Magnus said fuck off to him and Abby needed to turn to Ahriman.
BL says LOL ALL PRIMARCH BEND THE KNEE(EXCEPT FULGRIM WHO IS A SNEK AND HAVE NO KNEES), MY BUDGET ACHRIMAN BROKE MAGNUS.
Why ADB have to do so much Abaddon wanking even when codieces says otherwise.

>>55416128
It's almost like the majority of soldiers are male and Astartes are biologically required to be male. Crazy I know.

>>55416136
So that means in Ultramarines there is an Eldar-human hybrid Librarian!

>>55416150
Yeah, no idea why that anon's getting so triggered by the few appearing females being competent. They'd have to be.

>>55416128
If every second man we encounter is a filthy traitor and an evil, selfish prick (and not even necessarily cool or special beyond ''lol i happen to be a Space Marine''), and every third one is pure slime, while nearly every woman we encounter can be summed up with the word ''badass'' no matter what her position or affiliation is, who's better represented again?

>>55409050

>necrons
>infected by nurgle's plague

??????????

>>55416145
>Fulgrim and Co fucking ruin everyone's day after the Heresy because it's fun as fuck to mess with everyone and steal their shit
>steal Horus's body from The Sons of Horus and do shit with it for shits and gigs
>every single Chaos warband and faction fucking HATE the EC
>everyone says enough is enough and decide to fuck up the EC
>Abaddon kills the Horus clone
>everyone hates Fulgrim and Co for all time
>Fulgrim hates everyone for all time
>suddenly Fulgrim loves Abaddon and the Black Legion because ADB writes it so

>>55416239
Nope, it was some point canon but was overwritten by something new.

>>55416332
But it has the GW logo on it. I'm just using your logic, anon.

>>55416340
And it was overwritten by something else with a GW logo. Progression is the only established law in GW's canon.

>>55416332
>>55416351
Overwritten by what exacly?

>>55416265
>t-triggered
Is this how you cope with someone disagreeing with you? Because it's pathetic.
>They'd have to be.
And we've finally hit the mother of all bullshit arguments. No, sweetie, they don't ''have to be'' anything. The VAST majority of 40k's fanbase are males who couldn't give two shits. Obviously, if a woman, made it to a high-ranking position in something like a military, where strength and competence are all that matters, then yes, she's gonna be a huge badass. But EVERY named woman in every single position displays mary-sue traits.
>fearless or at least far braver then expected even when having NO combat experience
>so open minded and wise, not like all the sheepies around her (an especially retarded trait as this stance makes even the settings' greatest heroes ''poor sheepie who know no better'')
>important characters like her for no reason (double if said character is usually antisocial)
>ridiculous plot armor for someone as unimportant
You have men having their dignity stripped away, acting like worms, throwing away their ideals because of fear or greed, basically all flavors of the nature of man revealing itself, cowardice, ambition, evil, greed, etc. But almost everything a named woman does is a sign of strength and competence. So kindly fuck off. And no, they don't ''need'' to be anything.

>>55416365

>fearless or at least far braver then expected even when having NO combat experience

...which female characters have no combat experience? They are mostly Sisters of Battle and Inquisitors. Greyfax is also incredibly close minded, to the degree she called St Celestine a heretic for saying that 'Fight Chaos' was more important than 'Fight Eldar'.

>>55416362
The edition that came after it.

>>55412768
Archaon was not around for 10k years in WHFB and Age of Smegmar's writing is fan-fiction tier

>>55416351
That is no more factual than "Black Library is not canon".

Are you saying that Love Can Bloom is canon? Eternal Crusade is canon? Inquisitor game? Dawn of War? This shit has Gw's logo on it.

>>55416430
I'm talking about the book OC's mostly. I don't really care about the soldiers, though i have yet to encounter a female inquisitor be incompetent, a coward or a weakling. ''Female inquisitor'' is basically a code for ''mary sue''.
>Greyfax is also incredibly close minded, to the degree she called St Celestine a heretic for saying that 'Fight Chaos' was more important than 'Fight Eldar'.
Which had no consequences whatsoever, she saw the error of her ways and apologized. That's the type of fake flaw that's typical with Mary Sues, the kind that doesn't actually fucking matter beyond making the character seem flawed.
Also Sisters of Silence a best.
>know they don't have souls so they wont receive any kind of reward aside from oblivion
>Fight for The Emperor and Humanity with all they've got anyway.
Get cucked SoB.

>>55416461
Black Library is a firm of GW and its publishing arm. It's not a third party. Everything is canon until Gw overwrites it or says otherwise.

>Love Can Bloom is canon

I am talking to a legit retard.

>>55416436
>Archaon was not around for 10k years in WHFB

Time moves strangely in the Chaos Wastes in the same manner it does in the Eye of Terror.

>>55416496

...they are an inquisitor. You don't get to be an inquisitor by being incompetent, a coward or a weakling regardless of gender. That's like trying to find a SOB with little faith, it's not flaws that tend to show up in that profession.

Heck, I can't think of a single male inquisitor with those flaws. If an inquisitor has a flaw it's generally about being too callous/arrogant. The last female inquisitor character the TT had also got killed off because she wasn't strong enough for Greyfax's liking.

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YAY Death Guard thread turned into Failbaddons wankery.

>>55416496
>Which had no consequences whatsoever, she saw the error of her ways and apologized. That's the type of fake flaw that's typical with Mary Sues, the kind that doesn't actually fucking matter beyond making the character seem flawed.

I'm not sure you know what a Mary Sue is. So unless the flaw fucks everything up forever, it's not a Real Flaw? Her xenophobia made things a lot harder for St Celestine to do her job and herd the various cats of that campaign.

You'll also find very few marine characters with flaws of real note beyond maybe 'Not being a Primaris'.

>>55416540
>TT had also got killed off because she wasn't strong enough for Greyfax's liking.

She was killed because Greyfax is a puritan while she was a radical xenophile.

>>55416497
His crowning as the Everchosen can be fixed to a clear date (2519 IC, as per Warriors of Chaos 8ed) and he lead his army in 2521 against the South and won. Unlike Abaddon

>>55416563

That too. Though I imagine Greyfax would say they are the same thing.

>>55416572
He lost, killed by Grimgor at the foot of the Fauschlag.

>>55416540
>...they are an inquisitor. You don't get to be an inquisitor by being incompetent, a coward or a weakling regardless of gender.
Try reading the actual lore sometimes. Ramius Stele was both a coward and a weakling by the Inquisition's standards. Ghesmei Kysnaros was a fucking retard who thought he could take on a First Founding Chapter. Eisenhorn is an amazing character who had his fair share of personal failings. These just off the top of my head. Every female inquisitor is either some quirky smartass, a femme fatalle, or a no-nonsense, business as usual type, but they are all, without exception. badass and competent to the point of infallibility.

>>55416572
And Abaddon's 13th Black Crusade can be fixed to a date. Fact remains that in the Chaos Wastes and the Eye of Terror, time has no value.

>>55416544
>thread about chaos on /tg/
It's inevitable, because it gives him the easiest (you)s.

You'd think after years of the same drivel people would wise up to it.

>>55416561
>So unless the flaw fucks everything up forever, it's not a Real Flaw? Her xenophobia made things a lot harder for St Celestine to do her job and herd the various cats of that campaign.
Was there any actual consequence? No. A real flaw like that would have her kill or cause the death of important characters, at worst even going full retard and turning on her allies. But no, she was mean for a while, so surely she's a balanced out, well written character.
>You'll also find very few marine characters with flaws of real note beyond maybe 'Not being a Primaris'.
You'll also find very few marine characters with actual characteristics aside from ''being a Space Marine'' and ''not a complete machine''.

>>55416608

Helynna Valeria. Executed by Greyfax for falling prey to mindshackle scarabs. Something which Greyfax is also a massive hypocrite over, as she was also affected by them and it took Cawl to save her.

>>55416365
>this fucking screed of butthurt to respond to a two line post
Damn, "triggered" was indeed apt.

>>55416671
...and this is her own personal failure due to her flaws how? She got rekt by the enemy, literally the staple of the setting. Could have happened to anyone.
>Something which Greyfax is also a massive hypocrite over
A typical mary sue trait, actually.

>>55416671
>for falling prey to mindshackle scarabs

Source?

>>55416686
>passively-aggressively attack in an indirect post
>should i fling shit back?
>no, how about i try explaining my stance
>''LELELELEL XD TRIGGURD''

>>55416670
>Was there any actual consequence? No. A real flaw like that would have her kill or cause the death of important characters, at worst even going full retard and turning on her allies. But no, she was mean for a while, so surely she's a balanced out, well written character.

How many people in 40k have ever done that? You can't get important characters killed off by your incompetence, as they need to sell models. Greyfax spends most of that campaign being the loadstone around the neck of St Celestine and consistently making things harder for everyone else. She's the Eustace Scrubb of Fall of Cadia.

>>55416690

So 'Not having flaws' is a mary sue thing but so is having the flaw of being a hypocrite? At this point you seem to just be using Mary Sue as 'Character I don't like'.

>>55416706

Fall of Cadia. It's part of the introduction to Greyfax.

Is DG codex in the internet yet?

>>55416614
time has value when they go outside. Archaon needed one try, Abaddon thirteen. Abaddon is a cuck, Archaon is a chad

>>55416733
>So 'Not having flaws' is a mary sue thing
No. Not suffering any consequences for said flaws is. If being a hypocrite bites her on the ass big time i'll eat my words.

>>55416690
>...and this is her own personal failure due to her flaws how?

Because she was utterly obsessed and arrogant enough to think she could handle things she couldn't. It's not like she was attacked, she went to the planet and got her ass kicked and now she's dead.

>>55416710

Yup, you're triggered.

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>>55416756
>Archaon needed one try

>>55416849

>One try and a giant retcon engine.

>>55416868
The real lession we've learned is that all characters lauded as the uniting, central power of chaos undecided are shit.

>>55416710
>>should i fling shit back?
>>no, how about i try explaining my stance
But the first lines of that post were invective. It seems you decided to do both.

>>55416756
False. Like Abaddon, Archaon emerged from the Chaos Waste numrous times to lead armies around the world searching for the treasures of Chaos. He invaded Bretland and went as far as Cathay and Lustria.

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>>55412827
>Ahriman never broke a Primarch.

He did with the Rubric.

>>55412742
>No, It's John French. Both ADB and John created Khayon

not true I think, I recall seeing khayons name in a throw away chapter approved quote from years ago.

>>55417236
id point out of the new french fluff counts then technically Khayon broke a shard as its only in the final ahriman book that magnus is fully repaired.

>>55416796
There is no incompetence there, just a warrior who underestimated his foe (or just plain lost because Necrons are OP as fuck). That kind of shit happens all the time in 40k, this does not make her incompetent, weak or cowardly.

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I have to admit, carnacfaggotry makes me ashamed to like the Black Legion. I just want a brutal, organised group of bad guys with a cool colour scheme and a plan to wreck stuff. Never even liked Abaddon either, Loken was always cooler than that edgy faggot.

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>>55409250
>nauseous rotbone

>>55412140
>nids being killed by poison
man i swear they job for every faction

>>55411453
>>55415545
You two have reading capability of 8 year old, being NPC fag dose that to the brain.
Toxin and poison from BOTH Tyranid and DG COMBINED turned to be killing BOTH Tyranid and DG.

>>55412716
They can make him spawn thou

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>>55416849
>Reminder that Total War is the new WH: Fantasy canon.

>>55410682
Could have infected the sun.

>>55412528
>b-but they fought so khorne still got blood and skulls he totally won guise!

>b-but they are disease vectors so nurgle still spread plagues he totally won guys!

Chaoswank is chaoswank, regardless of flavor

>>55419283
It killed the Death Guard to tho. There were still Nids standing at the end of the battle and the Death Guard were wiped out so I'd say our bug friends won that round.

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>>55411849

> that ending

Disgustingly wholesome.

From 40kg
>Death Guard codex (thank you Vladimir)
>Epub
https://mega.nz/#!9hkg0LgL!_Y53qiTD0VDA641V4NBQtnZ8hTGLA_VE-CkTPh9YQzE
>PDF
https://mega.nz/#!p0tzAIya!DEVmw60_jOLXCdvWqoKBDx8_BW-wxbV6KD4CpB5WbvY

>>55416561
> a flaw which doesnt matter
Thats exactly what a mary sue would have in their character tho

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>>55415833
Maybe if you don't actually know what Carnac is, does, or has done, and are just riding the comparatively recent wave of Chaos/ADB hate Carnac has spent years doing his best to inflame (which comprises only a portion of his total activity).

>>55415794
>ADB would never write A bad don appearing weak or in a position of moral capitulation

>I have heard it said that our greatest weapon against the Archenemy is the foe’s own nature. That may indeed be so. Fate was most certainly on the side of righteousness the day the Night Lords and Black Legion within the Crythe offensive turned against one another.
>No Imperial record I have been able to trace details exactly why Abaddon’s command over portions of his army broke so completely, nor does it explain what – if anything! – the forces of the Archenemy sought to gain from their untimely division.
>If such internal conflict is down to anything more than the maddened behaviour of tainted, once-human beasts, it is unlikely to ever come to light.’

>‘I am enjoying this display of supreme naivety.’ The Exalted’s tongue bled as it licked its fangs. Eyes as black as dead stars turned upon Talos and Malcharion. ‘But the Despoiler will not allow this. He has the strength to prevent us breaking away, and he will never forgive such a betrayal.’
>‘Enough, Vandred.’ Halasker shook his head. ‘Your loyalty to the Old War is commendable, but Abaddon is a fool. Yet again, he has committed too much, too hard, too far from support. He holds tenuous lordship over Legions that are greatly-enamoured of endless infighting. This is just one of many betrayals he will forgive because he will need allies again in the future.’
>*‘Hear, hear,’* the Dreadnought rumbled.
>‘The last of my forces will be on board the Premonition within the hour.’
>‘And how are we supposed to placate the Warmaster? I promise you, Halasker, he will fire upon us if we run.’

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>>55421704
>‘Cripple his ships.’
>All eyes turned to Talos.
>‘What did you say?’ the Exalted asked, softer than he’d spoken in years.
>‘When we break from the fleet, we cripple the Vengeful Spirit, or any other vessel that challenges us.’ Talos met the Exalted’s stare.
>‘And leave them at the mercy of the Angels?’
>*‘Do I look as though I will shed any tears over that?’*
>‘Nor will I,’ Halasker added. ‘Abaddon is hardly short on ships. Even without us, he outnumbers the Blood Angels eleven to five.’
>Chatter began to pick up around the room as the gathered Astartes discussed the imminent treachery.
>‘No,’ the Exalted growled. ‘This cannot, and will not be.’
>‘And why not?’ Halasker narrowed his eyes.
>‘Almost all of the Warmaster’s forces are engaged upon Crythe. If the Blood Angels strike – if they board the Black Legion’s cruisers – the Warmaster will struggle to escape with any of his fleet intact. There might be as many as six hundred Blood Angels waiting on their ships on the other side of this world! They will sweep through any resistance on board the Black Legion’s vessels.’
>*‘Then he should have begun the recall of his men hours ago, as the prophet’s vision suggested. Warnings were sent. You sent them yourself. Abaddon chose to leave them unheeded.’*

>The screen came alive again. This time, the face wasn’t Halasker’s, it was a dark helm with slanted eye lenses. The Astartes there inclined his head in greeting. Armour of black and gold shone in the flickering light of his own bridge.
>‘Covenant of Blood. The Warmaster demands to know why you have still not recommitted your troops.’
>*‘Tell the Warmaster he will be losing this war without us, if he still aims to fight it. The Blood Angels have arrived, and more Imperial forces will be here soon.’*

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>>55421715

>‘If you will not comply,’ Ruven said, ‘you will be fired upon for trying to flee.’
>‘The Throne’s vengeance is here,’ the Exalted spoke low. ‘My prophet insists more will arrive within hours. We will not be selling our lives to preserve yours. We will not be repeating our warnings again.’
>‘Your prophet is unreliable. You have indicated as much yourself.’
>The Exalted grunted a breathy sigh. ‘That may be so. But he is my brother, and you are nothing more than a betrayer who fled to wear the black of Abaddon’s many failures. I trust his words, as I trusted my father’s.’
>With a too-long claw, the Exalted dragged a finger across its throat in the demand for silence. The servitor at the vox console killed the link.
>‘Battle stations,’ the Exalted said. ‘Be ready to disengage from the fleet.’

>Talos saw the Black Legion falling back to their troopships spread across the conquered plain. Behind them in a routed wave came a teeming mass of humanity. Titans and tanks seemed like pockets of calm in the swarm.
>‘Will they be able to get more than a few hundred Astartes back into orbit before the Angels reach us?’ he asked.
>The Exalted watched the same picts. ‘No. They will rely on the renegades that still have sizable forces on board their ships. The Purge, the Scourges of Quintus, the Violators… Here, look.’ The Exalted gestured to other vessels in the fleet, their hololithic images flickering and sending streams of smaller craft between them.
>‘Thunderhawks,’ Talos said.
>‘Exactly, my prophet. The Black Legion is begging its lesser allies for aid. Warriors from renegade Chapters are to be pressed into service, defending Abaddon’s own ships.’
>The Exalted shook its head as it sighed. ‘Once more, our Warmaster has grievously overcommitted his forces onto a battlefield. At least he was wise enough to leave many of his allies in orbit in the event of disaster.’

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>>55421733

>‘Halasker,’ the Exalted said. ‘What is taking your men so long?’
>Pictureless, the vox-link crackled back. ‘I have five squads fighting through to the landing site now. This is madness, Vandred. The Black Legion is shooting down our Thunderhawks.’
>‘I demand confirmation.’
>‘This is not the time to argue over picts! I have the sworn oaths of fifty men on the surface that they are embattled with the Black Legion, and that they have seen Abaddon’s own forces tearing our gunships from the sky. They are led by some kind of warp-sorcerer… My men cannot kill him.’
>‘Ease your choler, brother. Be aware that no more than twenty minutes remain before we’ll need to engage the Angels or break into the warp.’
>‘No. I will not leave half a company to die in the dust of a world Abaddon failed to take.’

>‘I sense you have an idea, brother.’
>‘Halasker,’ the Exalted’s monstrous face lowered slightly, and its black eyes closed. ‘Enough of this. Just run while you still can. Abaddon’s mistake must not be allowed to kill us all. The Premonition, at the very least, must survive. Be ready to move the moment I give the word.’

>Ad Mech Knights stomp on plague marines and get space aids from it and start chasing the Ad Mech.
>Chaos Predators are extremely low level shit-jobs, only given to shitty or volunteering plague marines where they get angler fished into a fleshblob by the tank.
>The solution to unruly bloat drones was to give em the lawnmower so they'd have more fun smashing into enemies.

I can dig it all. I'm glad the vectorum I'm painting got some rep in there and that Psykers got a weird hate status because of morty except for the 4th company.

Has anybody brought up Morty's literal autism/assburgers yet?

>spergs over the organisation of his legion, going over every detail that they MUST stick to
>resistant to changing from the original Crusade legion structure
>spent ages locked up in his room obsessively perfecting his new tank
>now obsessed with clocks, loves clocks, has a lot of clocks
>has a personal psychiatrist who listens to his constant and random ranting about shit
>obsessed with the number seven to the point he even has an organisation dedicated to tallying the number seven and EVERYTHING has to be in fucking sevens

>>55408938
weren't the volpone bluebloods that regiment of arseholes from the gaunt's ghosts series?

rekt

>>55422220
Yep.

http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Royal_Volpone

>>55412140
Blowing up every world in the galaxy would be just as effective

>>55421814

Honestly, most of that is neither new or out of character.