EDH/Commander General /edhg/

>>55391952
are there even hipster commanders at this point? everything is either played to some extent or unplayable garbage. when you see a finely tuned Chromium deck or something it's good despite having a bad commander, not because of it.

i guess my most "hipster" deck is my uyo storm control deck.

>>55391952
I want to build a rosheen deck
that will be my hipster commander

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>talked friends into commander
>each of them bought a precon deck
>still didn't play a game because they are not sure what colours of sleeves they should pick
>they are excited about everything
>yesterday they were showing off their Spin Down Counters and asking me about set symbols on them
Being a newbie is the best part of every hobby, prove me wrong

>>55391952
Jiwari, the Earth Aflame

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/07-09-17-kambals-chicken-noodle-soup/

Can I get some opinions on this? It's been working really well for me when I play it but I feel like putting in Tainted Remedy would also do me good.

The best ability for commander is horsemanship. Prove me wrong

>>55392095
>Prove me wrong
Eminence exist Anon

>>55392095
Value is subjective. If you think it's the best, it's the best for you.

>>55392059
the best part is getting new cards and trying them out. atleast in my opinion.

>>55392115
>value is subjective
>if I think shock looks cooler and better than lightning bold that means shock is the best

>>55392314
how is horsemanship any better than unblockability?

What are your unofficial commanders? The nonlegendaries that your playgroup allows?

>>55392373
You get to ride on a sickass horse

>>55392373
its not, im a different person I just think saying value is subjective is retarded

>>55392396
Disregard that, i suck cock

>>55392373

Ublockability adds more mana to a creatures mana cost, or subtracts power, relative to horsemanship, which is costed like flying

>>55392373
You get to block other people with Horsemanship.

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>>55392395
you also get mocked by some old asshole

When are the 2017 commander decks being reprinted?

Who's more interesting for Werewolf tribal between Ulrich and Ruric Thar?
I get the feeling Ulrich wants to transform often and should have some various P/T boosts to take advantage of his fight ability, while Ruric Thar will keep werewolves in their wolf forms thanks to his punishing ability.
So I guess with Ulrich I'll want creatures with abilities that activate when they flip, and with Ruric I'll want some more "don't you dare cast stuff" effects and creatures that want to stay flipped.
Anything I missed?

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>>55392018
Sigh, he's right. Here's mine anyway. Only 120 decks on edhrec so I guess that qualifies as "hipster"

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>still 20 bucks

well i guess its better than 30

>>55392776
The set isn't actually out yet. The number of Consecrated Sphinxes in players' hands has only slightly increased.

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>Get Edgar deck for birthday
>Foils are in fucking spanish
>Several cards missing
>Store sold out of the Deck (Fucking Teferi's Protection)
Happy Birthday to me!

(Later got a refund and found another store that had it in stock)

>>55392851
Wizards support can deal with that. Happened to me and they were happy to send me a new deck.

>>55392875
Way faster this way, didn't want to wait for shipping from abroad (I'm a eurofag), but yes I was aware that it was an option. I'd rather let the store deal with Wizards.

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>>55392851
>foils are all in spanish

I know what would make a fine addition to the deck.

>>55392631
November, from what I heard.

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Why is it that I only care about EDH when I'm in a position where I can't build or brew? It's like money in the bank, free time to spare, but can't be bothered to start get the idea train rolling. Assignments due in t-2 hours? No disposable income? Suddenly EDH becomes the pinnacle of my hobby career and I need to start brewing right then and there.

>>55392776
prices from IMA won't settle until around december

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Continuing to design and make my life counters. With any luck I should have the guilds and mana symbols done for next week.

Might be selling on Etsy, need to look into it. Also I'll probably release the source files afterwards, under a license.

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>building unesh
>my brother says he sucks
>my friends say he sucks

did i just waste my money

>>55392851
Honestly, Markov in spanish would be pretty damn rad as a general.

>>55392915
>spanish vamps
I didn't know I wanted this so much.

>>55393181
do you like sphinx's?

did you buy a leyline of anticpation, urza's incubator and veldaken orrery?

>>55392969

I recently became interested in EDH again with the new leggy dinosaur, but then I remember that the people who play EDH are some really weird neckbeards
who screech and shout during games (the FNM people are allright) and I lose any desire to play it.

>>55392915
can someone shop a sombrerro on this?

>>55393212
Don't you mean Markov en Espanol?

>>55393233
sphinx's what?

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>>55393258

The people that play EDH at my LGS*

I'm sure all of you gents in this thread are fine people

>>55393263
He meant en Español

>>55393233
yes

no, urzas is too expensive (until i decide if its worth to be playing mono blue) and the other two i did not get. what is so special about flash?

>>55393181
>consistent card draw in the command zone
>cheap flying beaters + control wincon
It's not on the level of Azami infinites, Teferi stax or Memnarch/Arcum artifact fuckery, but it's still a lot better than more popular monoblue decks.
Baral doesn't have wincons, Talrand will eat removal as soon as he drops, Thassa is fucking sea creature tribal of all things.

>>55393332
>Thassa
That's not how you spell Geist of St. Traft

>>55393258
That's called having, anon. Believe it or not the highest form of enjoyment isn't staring silently at your opponent and loudly flipping through your hand.

>>55393332
>thassa is sea creature tribal
>leviathans, krakens, and other underwater beasts

c-cool

>>55393387
Having fun.

That's called having fun.

>>55393320
>The ability to play a spell at any time, in response to anything
vs
>Only being able to cast non-instants on your turn during your main phases

by itself a great advantage, I can imagine why especially if you're in blue

>>55393320
>Whats good about being able to play anything 100% of the time, instead of 10-25% of the time.
lol

>>55393320
you get to play your entire deck at instant speed

all your sphinx's become Fact or Fiction + creature with Unesh out

>>55392713
...okay, I just went through all of the werewolves and there's only one that benefits from transforming several times, and it's not that interesting since all he does is he destroys an artifact.
So does that mean Ruric is a better Werewolf commander than the only Werewolf legendary creature we have? That's kinda sad.

Rakdos or Izzet?

>>55393520
Ask your playgroup if you can use Weremilf.

>>55392713
>>55393520
werewolf is dogshit, sorry man

>>55393332
>Baral doesn't have wincons
>Implying Rise from the Tide or Runechanter's Pike for 40+ isn't a wincon
>Implying using Jace, Architect of Thought, Denying Wind, and Extract to strip Eldrazi and other reshuffle out of opponents' decks, then stalling out with Elixir of Immortality and Psychic Spiral isn't a wincon

>>55393553
Currently I'm playing at my LGS, and I don't think the group that play there would allow that.

>>55393563
Yeah I've heard that several times, but I want to try it anyway. Most of the cards are dirt cheap, so even if it's really crappy I won't waste too much money on it.

I'm gonna give it a shot with Ruric. I think I'll make it half werewolf tribal, half stax. Some werewolves have "punisher" effects already.

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So people are actually buying out the C17 decks? Anons claimed that they are overall shit and not worth buying. What went right?

>>55393672
It's worth asking at least. Keep Ruric sleeved up, but pull out Arlinn and ask them if you can use her as your commander. Color identity is the same.

>>55393680
i bought dragon dildos to use my kaalia in. starting to enjoy this deck more than the yidris deck i have, which was more a proof of concept of it that betrays/ prince of thralls being amazing with wave of vitriol and natural balance among others.

>>55392915
just as good as the spanish cemetery gate that has protection from negro

>>55393680
They're fun.

Also:
>Dragons have Kindred Discovery ($15), Ramos ($10), The Ur-Dragon ($8) and Herald's Horn ($5)
>Wizards have Kess ($13)
>Vamps have Teferi's Protection ($23)
>Cats have Mirari's Wake ($8), Hammer of Nazahn ($5), Herald's Horn ($5), and Traverse the Outlands ($4)
>Every other new Legend is $3-4 (except Inalla, at $2)

>>55393258
sounds like you play with meme stereotypes rather than actual people, or maybe you havent even played the game? either way I feel sorry for (you)

>>55393826
>Vamps have Teferi's Protection ($23)
This deck is fun as hell to play with but now I like it even more

>>55393520
>Forgetting Huntmaster
How do you even manage such a thing?

>97% casaul

>>55393680
Because any precon is a great starting point for getting into the format or playing against someone who is getting into the format without curbstomping them.

>>55393680
Tribalism.

>>55393951
Oops. Forgot him because lately I've been brewing mostly ultra budget decks.
anyway, it's still only two of them, out of ~30 creatures.

>>55393680
tribal makes people think they are good at deck building when they jam a bunch of whatever tribal they are playing into a deck and it works which makes timmys (aka the only people who buy precons instead of just the commander cards) feel smart

>>55393173
Do it. These are really nice.

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>>55393680
C17 precons aren't "bad", they're just not up to par with C16 or 15. The most obvious comparison is the dragon deck's manabase. All 5 of the C16 decks managed to make a 4c manabase work but OoB Ur dragon is a fucking nightmare.

That being said, Inalla is still complete horseshit and I will forever stand by that statement. She might as well be an enchantment that is absolutely un-interactable at any point in the game, who can always clone your opponent's wizards and there's absolutely nothing you can do about it. At least Meren, Atraxa, and all the other stupid commanders the C series has released are required to be actually on the field, Inalla does it for (1) from the command zone.

>>55393173
Looking awesome. When turning the dials though, do they click to a number like the official versions, or do the dials roll freely at all?

>>55393332
>>55393660
>Implying High TIde/Cron combo and Dramatic Scepter can't be thrown into any blue deck with enough tutors and CA
>Implying you need anything but a Docent of Perfection and a fuckton of counterspells to win games

>>55393660
Sorry, Baral has no realistic wincons*

Looking for cards with several activated abilities to use with Mairsil. Currently I have Morphling, Torchling, Aetherling, Trading Post, and Staff of Domination. Also made note of Thornling, but it's in the wrong colors. Any other suggestions, or a way to search for cards with multiple activated abilities? I can pull up all cards with at least one activated ability by just searching for ":" but that's like 3000 cards to look through.

>>55394114
I enjoy stuff like Command Beacon or whatever it is called, but so far I think every commander they have printed with an ability interacting with the command zone was either boring or broken.

>>55394165
Not to mention how Baral was a high tier cEDH commander for a while, with just a fuckton of counterspells and ways to Polymorph him into an Oldrazi.

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Any of y'all wanna give me some feedback on my Chandra.dec? It is garbage for obvious reasons (being a burn deck with no combos in EDH, being a red deck that isn't secretly monobrown, etc.) but I am curious to see if y'all have any good cards on theme that I missed? I've won games with it in my meta, so power level isn't too big of a concern.

I'd really appreciate y'all having a look. I got myself an Ugin for the deck to help clear Enchantments and for the one or two planeswalkers matters cards so I need to slot that in.

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/chandra-09032017/

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I've recently been trying to improve my ability at card evaluation, and I'm currently trying to find a hard way to quantify certain aspects of a card. Currently:

>If a spell allows you to draw a card in addition to its' other effects, the card draw is considered to be worth an additional two mana.
>Problem: difficult to evaluate cantrips and cards with varying levels of draw, such as Opt, Blue Sun's Zenith and Dregs of Sorrow.

>Searching for a land card to hand is worth one mana.
>Problem: difficult to gauge potential tempo loss.

>Destroying a creature is considered to be worth 3 mana.
>Problem: difficult to factor in non-standard rider effects, such as Doom Blade's inability to hit black creatures, or Prey Upon requiring a creature.

>Gaining life is worth approximately 4 life to 1 mana.
>Problem: lifegain is considered either worthless or vital if your strategy does or does not care. Difficult to evaluate in a vacuum.

>The raw value of a card is roughly 3 mana when in hand. Activated abilities are therefore very strong due to not requiring additional cards (mostly).
>Problem: sometimes difficult to gauge on the condition that some abilities others consider strong are very inefficient, as well as not being able to use activated abilities from hand.

Am I missing the mark with these values and how they're weighted? Is pic related, a bulk rare, bad despite the potential to kill 5 things and draw 5 for 10 mana?

>>55394189
they fixed that by banning emmy, the entire mtgo meta was 87% Baral for a while

>>55394200
In terms of Wizard's design ideas, you're spot on. However, in terms of absolute efficiency:

>Aside from X-costing cards, draw/mana should be 1/1 or higher, with "1-mana worth" of other effects tacked on
>Aside from destroying a creature is worth 2 mana, but 1 is preferred
>Reviving a creature is 2 mana, but 3 is fine in a pinch
>Searching a basic land to hand is a fractional mana effect, like drawing a card. Searching any land is worth 1-2 mana.

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>>55394250
Oldlamog is still pretty good.

>>55394253
Are you referring to revival to hand or to field? Outside of reanimate, I can't think of any 1-mana permanent recursion, and one could argue an additional amount of "mana" is paid in terms of the life lost by the effect (paying 3 "mana" of life to revive a creature with a CMC of 8).

>>55394200
>non-black creatures
Problem number 1. This is actually a giant restriction. I never really considered "target nonblack creature" to be that big of a hassle until I needed to kill one and Shriekmaw was just dead in my hand.
>costs 5 as a startup
Problem number two. It gets better the more you dump into it but you have to have a wealth of mana for it to be good. Black can certainly get a lot of mana, but you won't always have your cabal coffers or the like.

I'm brewing esper goodstuff, I want a win con that isn't lab man and isn't life gain

>>55394312
The only revival to field card with CMC>3 that I ever see anyone use is Unburial Rites.

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>>55392095

>>55394325
Time Sieve, or Bond/Blood combo. Remember that Cliffhaven Vampire and Vizkopa Guildmage do the same thing as Sanguine Bond.

>>55394325
Exsanguinate/Debt to the Deathless after comboing off with mana
Mill everyone else out, use Sadistic Sacrament-type effects to exile problem cards from the deck first
Include Thopter Foundry/Sword of the Meek if you're running Ashnod's or Grand Architect
Infect

>>55394331
I use Vigor Mortis in Skullbriar

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Is Inalla ETB Wizards fun or generic?

>>55392095
banding shits on horsemanship, sure ill block your 50/50 with my commander and a 1/1 bird token, I assign 50 damage to the token, gg

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>>55394331
I see Beacon of Unrest getting use, but it has other advantages.

>>55394200
Oh! Before I forget, do any of you also gauge cost-effectiveness based on colors (i.e. considering card draw more harshly if you use a fair amount of blue, or artifact destruction as more valuable if playing Dimir/mono-blue)?

>Copy Artifact is on the reserve list
>It's still only $15

thank fucking christ

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>>55394401
More proof that Ayesha Tanaka is best Commander.

Also secret high level tech.

>>55394452
It had like 6 printings. There are enough to go around.

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>>55394480
>banding

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Considering this for my enchanress deck.
Do you think this fun would be too unfun to play against?

>>55394331

I like Phyrexian delver because it can be flickered/bounced and cloned

>>55394569
it's pretty frustrating to deal with. I don't mind too much but some times it hardlocks players from dealing with it

>>55394569

It would shut down my enchantress deck prett well lol

>>55394189
>1v1
post disregarded

>>55394480
white weenie banding was awesome around the dark/4th/fallen empires/iceage scene, they all seemed to have first strike too so you would just band enough to get first strike damage kill and divide all the recieving damage among the banders so none die or put it all on your white knight, fuck you thrull decks

>>55394589
>>55394606
Got it. My playgroup has pretty tuned decks, but don't want to give anyone full blown cases of the feelbads. If it detracts from the overall fun of the game, guess I'll nix it.
Thanks for your thoughts, guys.

>>55394655
kinda want to buy a box of FA to cube with, tribal nostalgia'd hard, them spore tokens from the cardboard cutout sheet

>>55392018
If anything, the precons have consolidated the average player's generals and made for more hipster options. I have a Ramses Overdark deck and think he's very hipster.

I want to make an artifact based EDH deck, who are some fun commanders to go with?

>>55394752
bitch did you fucking forgetti?

>>55394752
Deretti or Arcum

>>55394752
Sharuum

I am still tilted about the Rofellos ban.

Seriously, he was the only thing that made mono-green any faster then other builds, even then he was super fragile. The worst part was he was only banned due to MTGOs shitty code, even the Rules Committee knew he was fine.

>>55394752
Depends what colors you want.
Daretti, Slobad, Muzzio, Arcum Daggson, Sharuum, Hanna, Padeem, Sydri, Feldon, Breya, Karn, Memnarch, Bosh, Breya, Silas/Akiri.

>>55394795
>MTGOs shitty code

Wait what happened?

>>55394820
Previously he was only banned as a commander, but MTGO could not handle that so they simply banned him entirely.

>>55394795
>he worst part was he was only banned due to MTGOs shitty code, even the Rules Committee knew he was fine.
Haha, ok buddy

>>55394842
They changed the rules so that any creature that was solely banned as a commander is now just banned outright, it didn't have anything to do with MTGO.

>>55394114
>but OoB Ur dragon is a fucking nightmare.

For the other precons, maybe. If you're playing against actual precons, not decks that have $200 manabases, Ur-Dragon is just fine. It plows over the other precons no problem.

What are some things you've sone or seen that can oly be done in edh?

>Be at league last night
>3 players, Sakashima (Me), Edgar Markov guy, Breya guy
>Breya guy casts Jor Kadeen
>Eddy guy casts New Blood, gets Jor Kadeen as a vampire
>I cast Phyrexian Metamorph copying Jor Kadeen as an artifact creature - Human Warrior Vampire
>I cast Saka, copying Metamorph. So I have a Sakashima that's a artifact creature that's a human warrior vampire, with the text of Jor Kadeen
>Turns later
>I cast clone copying Saka, sacrificing actual Saka.

I now have a clone, called Sakashima, The Impostor that's an artifact creature - human warrior vampire, that has the text of Jor Kadeen.

What a ride.

>>55394971
But I was playing with a precon and so was most other people at the table. The guy was consistently missing black mana.

>>55395002
>Be playing Jori En Copycat Spellslinger
>Other people running Lin Sivvi, Calm Omnath, and Nekusar
>Nekusar guy gets out Psychosis Crawler
>Kicked Rite of Replication on Psychosis Crawler
>Flashbacked Increasing Vengeance on RoR
>2 Pyromancer's Goggles thanks to Phyrexian Metamorph, both used on it
>3 instances of "cast from graveyard" Increasing Vengeance
>Keep copying more and more Vengeances
>Each copy copies the next copy in the stack

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>>55391952
I'd like some advice on my Bruna deck, it has some weird inclusions due to my meta essentially being 1v1 against a 95% Prossh.
Aside from the obvious improvements like mana vault/crypt am I missing something in the way I built it?
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/14-09-17-pOQ-bruna-edh/

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Will i ever get to play big cards or will i be hated right out of the game instantly? my group is casual

>>55395148
>Running a cEDH commander in a casual group
>Expecting not to get hated
Make sure you have plenty of ways to search Ancestral Statue, at least.

>>55395158
my biggest creatures are 8/8 on purpose

>>55395086
>3 instances of "cast from graveyard" Increasing Vengeance
That's not how Increasing Vengeance works

What are some budget reanimate effects for inalla?

Making derevi flyers. Is linvala priority?

>>55395284
>flyers
Use original Isperia as your general instead.

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Looking for better ways to close the game with my gaddock deck
currently running a couple of infinite combos but they all rely on sac outlets which just seems clunky

>>55395422
why close out the game when you can hatebear it into a 4 hour game of solitaire?

>>55395449
neck yourself

>>55395449
I just want something I can hold in my hand to end it after I see the light leave their eyes

>>55395207
>Animate Dead ($1)
>Victimize ($0.30)
>Exhume ($1.50)
>Stitch Together ($1)
>Body Snatcher ($0.50)
>Dawn of the Dead ($0.60)
>Diabolic Servitude ($0.20)
>Dread Return ($1)
>Dreams of the Dead ($0.20)
>Phyrexian Delver ($0.40)
>Rescue from the Underworld ($0.20)
>Soul Exchange ($0.30)
>Strands of Night ($0.40)
>Swift Warkite ($0.30)
>Unearth ($1.50)
>Wake the Dead ($0.50)
>Whip of Erebos ($1.90)

>>55395086
What >>55395186 said
Even though you're copying Increasing Vengeance, its modifier is applied dynamically. The double copies only happen when it's cast from the graveyard. Seeing how copies aren't cast, even if they're copies of one that was, they only produce one copy.

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>>55395521
Thanks. I always avoid black cause i can never drop the cash for reanimate. After this, ill try my hand at a murder king deck

>>55395521
son, where the fuck you find these prices?
I need to shop there

>>55395583
just remeber to put a grafted skeleton on him so you can infect people at range by saccing 1/1 goblin tokens

>>55395587
TCGPlayer.

>>55395605
that's absolutely evil, thank you

>>55395186
What do you think it does, exactly? From where I am sitting it looks like works
>Cast RoR
>Flashback IV with double goggles
When you copy a spell you copy everything about that spell. You cant even change the modes on modal spells. X is the same, and in this case, it copies the part about copying a spell twice. He can make infinite tokens just fine.

>>55395653
>When Increasing Vengeance resolves, it creates one or two copies of a spell. You control each of the copies. Those copies are created on the stack, so they’re not “cast.” Abilities that trigger when a player casts a spell won’t trigger. The copies will then resolve like normal spells, after players get a chance to cast spells and activate abilities.

>>55395086
>Calmnath

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>>55395521
Stitch Together is also good and also $1.

>>55395706
oh my b. I misremembered how IV works. I guess I shouldn't have stuck my nose into that shit.

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>>55395521
>>55395764
Budget Reanimate with unfortunate Green color identity.

evens Olivia aristocrats
odds Jori-En spellslinger

>>55395764
I mentioned that one, near the top.

>>55395788
And yeah, I left out all of the ones that involved green and/or white.

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>>55395819
>I mentioned that one, near the top.
My bad.

I assume you intentionally left out temporary effects too.

>>55395838
I left out ones that I found inefficient, or that were already in the Inalla precon.

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>>55395847
How about a two-for-one?

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Has anybody had any real success in turning the Ur-Dragon into a more consistent deck? I think I have the landbase down, but I am having a hard time recovering from something like a Cataclysm, of even just being out aggro'd by something with a go-wide strat before I even get going. It's been more than a little frustrating.

>>55395872
Forgot about Ever After. Yeah, that could be worth mentioning, too.

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>>55395885
And one that's disposable if you don't need it.

>>55395889
Don't remember that one. What set is it from?

>>55395917

4 color commanders

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>>55395917
New for C16.
It was part of a cycle of allied color Instants/Sorceries with Basic landcycling 2

>>55395946
Ah, I missed out on that one. Lots of stuff going on in my life at the time. There wasn't anything particularly good or important in them that I missed, was there?

>>55395879
Consume the meek.

>>55395086
It's probably possible in other formats, but;

>Cast Chaos Warp to get rid of a piece of someone's infinite combo so they wouldn't fuck the whole table
>Shuffles it in, manifests
>Blight Steel Colossus

Ok

>>55395879

well i mean a ramp deck is always gonna be shut down by a cataclysm, not much you can do about that, thats what cataclsym does

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>>55395974
https://magiccards.info/query?q=e%3Ac16%2Fen+-is%3Areprint&v=card&s=cname

There were some things. I assume you're at least aware of the four color commanders and Partners.

>>55392113
Seems better as Imminence honestly.

>>55396037
I did, vaguely. I like Ancient Excavation, Magus of the Will, and some of the partners. The four-color guys all seem pretty boring.

I like to play tcgs
But tcgs are expensive
And free online equivalents are never as fun

I am unhappy

>>55394569
Using it in Azusa to colorfix since like half my lands are colorless because I've got a nonbasic fetish and like half the nonlands in my deck are artifacts/artifact beaters/eldrazi titans.

>>55395974
C16 had lots of good stuff in every deck.
>>55395879
Mass revival helps a bit.

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>Urza's Incubator $17
>Fiery Confluence $15
>Magus of the Wheel $10
>Blade of Selves $7
>Gisela $6
>Thought Vessel $4
>Sun Titan $3
>Lightning Greaves $3

I hadn't realized until now, for the deck with the worst commanders Wade into Battle is surprisingly packed with value.

>>55396258
confluence and wheel see legacy play so they went from bulk to less bulk

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>>55396291
Well, for anyone else who likes to keep an eye out for those Walmart/Target repacks, the face card for Wade Into Battle is the Lightning Rager token. If you see a sealed deck with a Lightning Rager token in the $20 repacks, it's well worth it.

>>55396208
Get a job or kill yourself, then

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>>55396258
>with the worst commanders
babymode U/G/x shitter detected

>>55396476
Anon, no. Don't delude yourself, Kalemne and Anya are both garbage.

>>55396258
>$17 + $15 + $ 10 + $7 + $6 + $4 + $3 + $3
>$65
>Deck still sells for $40-ish unopened on TCGPlayer, and there are people with multiple unopened

>>55396650
Probably saves on shipping. Might be worth it for a store-owner to open it and sell them piecemeal to customers in person, but it's easier online to just sell the whole thing.

>>55396757
Maybe. Maybe they just don't realize it.

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>playing karlov
>didnt realize he was so aggressive
>knock out two people by t7

>>55396779
Admittedly, Incubator, the Magus, and the Confluence all did spike only relatively recently. The price for the deck as a whole may not have entirely caught up with them.

>>55395002
>What are some things you've sone or seen that can oly be done in edh?
I cast my commander. Oh, wait, I was playing Inalla. Nevermind.

>>55396788
>Play a turn 1 Soul Warden, turn 2 Karlov, turn 3 Soul's Attendant and Lightning Greaves on Karlov
>The Edgar player keeps churning out vampires, blithely ignoring the growing threat
>Karlov is a 32/32 before turn 5
>Draw Rogue's Passage

And so ends that chapter.

>>55396788
fug yeah karlov is great

>>55394349
My jigga

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what decks would they use?

>>55392969
Well it's not like edh is hard.

>>55396862
>Lightning Greaves on Karlov
>Rogue's Passage

>>55396896
you can swap stuff for free. i'm assuming a group with threat assessment that poor wouldn't be running kill spells.

>>55395082
Bad luck.

>My anecdotal story is true for all experience

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>>55396862
>>55396863
>get out a sunscorch regent
>put loxodan warhammer on him
>by next upkeep he has +40 with lifelink trample
>mfw

>>55396896
>Equip the Greaves to another creature
>Re-equip using Rogue's Passage

>>55396896
I moved them onto one of the Soul Sisters.
The other players had either tapped out or spent their removal trying to deal with Edgar, while Edgar himself had tapped out just slamming Vampires.

>>55396913
*after using Rouge's Passage

>>55396922
>slamming vampires
Sounds like my Edgar deck
>>55396904
In that same vein - how many targeted removal / board wipes cards do you guys usually run? typically run around 8:4

>>55396951
>edgar markov
>playing vampires

gee, you don't say!

>>55397013
I assume they mean the whole "just play vampires as aggressively as possible and don't even stop to hold up removal" thing.

>>55397033
i've never seen an edgar deck that plays like that win in a 4-player game

pretty mean in 1v1 though

>>55397045
I've never seen an Edgar deck. The three people in the group I play in each bought one of the other three.

>>55397053
>tfw had 3 people in my group fighting for edgar

>>55397053
he's a pretty mean value engine if you get your aristocrats pieces going, he's probably the most competitive of the new set.

>>55397069
>the only other deck that has teferi's protection is cats
there's a reason he sold out first

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>>55396951
>vampires
>vein

You trying to be cute, anon?

>>55397112
>the only other deck that has teferi's protection is cats

Nope. Just Edgar.

>>55397112
But it doesn't

>>55397148
what

>>55397078
I'm enjoying all three of my new Grixis commanders out of the Wizard precon.

>>55397146
oh, i thought cats had it too. ah well, even more reason people are fighting over him i guess.

>>55397172
To compound the issue, if Cats also had Teferi's Protection there would be literally twice as large a supply of it, so it'd be a lot less expensive.

>>55397243
for sure. the cats deck is honestly not that bad, the worst card in the deck is arahbo himself.

>>55397243
I'm mostly disappointed that Wizards don't have Kindred Discovery.

>>55395086
Pyromancer's Goggle are legendary.

>>55396878

Light plays nekusar or kess storm

L plays gaddock teeg hatebears or grand arbiter UW control

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>Inalla
>Play Conspiracy, Xenograft, and Arcane Adaptation

What non Wizards creatures would be the most fun to turn into Wizards and copy?

>>55397281
>gilded drake
>palinchron, great whale, peregrine drake
>rune-scarred demon

>>55397281
Worldgorger Dragon
Faultgrinder
Sundering Titan
Myr Battlesphere

>>55397281
Consuming Aberration

>>55397281
different take on it, play a bunch of wizards and the good grixis allies, name "allies" on conspiracy, and abuse ETB triggers from all of your value wizards also being allies.

>>55397338
>also being allies

There's no "also" with Conspiracy.
It'd work with Xenograft or Arcane Adaptation though.

>>55397362
right, my bad. been a while since i read conspiracy.

>>55397279
Nekusar vs Augustine sounds pretty dope

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>>55397281
phage

>>55397257

arahbo is very very good though

>>55397376
on an even playing field GAAIV crushes nekusar every time, it's not even funny.

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>>55391952
>>55391952
>>55391952

>>55397389
in 1v1, sure.

bump that up to 4 players and his eminence ability becomes way less good. you can't really do anything other than be an aggressive deck with him, and those just don't work in 4-player unless you're a deck that doesn't run out of gas. arahbo runs out of gas really fast.

>>55397415

arahbo is good with hunter's insight and soul's majesty, its also good with double strike equipment or cats with double strike. you can definitely build arahbo to have more gas

i agree that aggro has issues in multiplayer but none of the other cat commanders support a non-aggro deck, arahbo is the best becaues eminence is good

>>55397468
>none of the other cat commanders support a non-aggro deck

You can be kind of hate-bear or pillow-fort with Mirri. Just have to find a good way to tap her without attacking when you need to.

>>55397476

thats pretty loose man, first of all, hatebears is aggro, second of all. mirri is a bad pillowfort commander, and there's really no reason for mirri to be your commander at all when you could her in the 99 of arahbo

>>55397468
voltron decks like mirri or nazahn are usually way better than creature-spam aggro decks because while most people are running 3-4 cards that say "destroy all creatures", not everyone is going to have vandalblast in their deck.

>>55396912
Your opponents cast 40 spells with Regent still alive?

>>55396951
>how many targeted removal / board wipes cards do you guys usually run? typically run around 8:4
Probably more than I should. I always include path/swords if I'm running white, and if I'm running anything with WB I run vindicate, mortify, utter end, and anguished unmaking as well

>>55397492

with arahbo you dont need to spam creatures, each one is a legit threat since its getting +3/+3

you can do the same thing and play some equipment and suit up a dude but you dont have to pay any mana to do it. nazahn and mirri are fine but there's no reason to make them your cat deck commander when you could just put them in your arahbo deck. arahbo is like a free equipment + a late game further pump for one of your dudes

>>55397510

sunscorch regent was triggering karlov

>>55397558
it's the same deal with dropping a serra ascendant on turn 1. everyone at the table is going to target you and you alone until you're either dead or so far behind you're practically out of the game.

if there's one thing an EDH player hates it's early game aggression.

>>55397510
it was a group of 6 players

by the time it got back to me sunscorch himself was a 20+ flyer

>>55397606
Your group sounds either dumb or unlucky to not to have drawn ANY removal.

>>55397614
Some groups consider removal "unfair", "boring", "tryhard", and "against the spirit of the game".

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>>55397625
wut

>>55397587

okay sure

>>55397614
my group had no idea both sunscorch and karl were that big by the time it got to me

believe it or not there wa s abigger threat on the table

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>>55397639
nigger please

>>55397639
was it north korea?

>>55397639
sounds like an old "friend" of mine from a while back. one game he played azor's elocutors without saying anything and sort of hid it under some other cards he had. for 5 turns he pretended to be mana screwed and whined and complained when anyone tried to attack him, and every upkeep he put a counter on elocutors without announcing it.

don't be like him. announce your triggers.

>>55397669
i was very clearly moving counters on karl and sunscorch. everyone knew what karl did and everyone knew i had a sunscorch out.

>>55397763
i know, i just wanted an excuse to rant about the guy who became colloquially known as "the fuckler"

is mindslaving the table multiple times bad etiquette?

>>55397872
Yes. Nobody came to the table to watch you play magic against yourself.

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>>55392059
I can't prove you wrong, i'm addicted to that feeling and i keep getting into new games and vidya for this reason, help.

>>55397872
Depends on how interesting you make everyone else killing each other.

>>55397872
i've had more fun in repeating disrupt decorum every single turn. one game i got two people to scoop so that the last one could actually attack me, it was pretty rad.

>>55391952
>Raised hand, open palm
More like Zhang Liao, hero of high fives!

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How do I become a Wallomancer? Who's the best commander for Wallmancy?

>>55397998
Doran

>>55397998
probably doran. zedruu if you wanna get spicy with it.

>>55397408
my skelly ship came recently, i gotta figure out how to build him

>>55395889
man, a skeleton hydra would be neat.

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>>55398073
And nostalgic.

>>55394401

>Only creatures with horsemanship can block creatures with horsemanship

Lol go die
Ezggnore

>>55397069
>played edh yesterday
>me, playing edgar, other dude playing edgar, third dude playing edgar
>fourth dude playing cats

someone stop this madness

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What are the hardest to use/master commanders out there .

>>55398253
krenko

>>55397998
Phenax if Doran doesn't appeal to you.

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>>55398260
>krenko
>hard

>>55398253
phage

>>55398295
i think it was sarcasm

>>55398253
probably babyjace storm, some of the decisions you'll end up making can get pretty goddamn intense

>>55398295
When each individual card you play is so much weaker on average than anyone else's, it does take skill to bridge that gap.
Sequencing, timing, etc. Red decks aren't easy to play.

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>>55398104
haven't thought about that game in years
Once in a blue moon some of the BGM still plays in my head.

>>55398295
Goblins are a tribe known for MENSA members...I wouldn't expect you to understand..

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>>55398317
not all are difficult

>>55397872
Not bad etiquette, just not very fun for the victims

whats a good way to build a deck based in possibility storm?

I wanna try brw for tutors every game just so I can consistently get it online

>>55398836
Mishra is uniquely able to capitalize on possibility storm.

>>55398844
doesnt possibility storm exile the card before mishras ability goes on the stack?

im thinking of going with the rule of law/eidolon of rhetoric route for some control and then some way to sneak out some bubs past the storm

>>55398890
Ill be honest i dont know the specifics, but the end result of mishra and pstorm is that you get what you cast and what you flip.

>>55398890
That's not how the stack works.
When multiple abilities you control trigger at the same time you choose how they go on the stack.

>>55398890
both trigger on cast, "play" is just the old wording for cast. so I'd say you'd be able to stack the triggers so that possibility storm resolves first, after that you resolve mishras trigger and search for the artifact.

>>55398918
I think you get to choose what goes on the stack first, so you put mishras firstand storm second and then storm resolves and then you can use mishra to get it back, pretty neato but not really what im looking for

might see if I can just go WR and focus on the lock as the decks main gameplan then some way to cheat out cards past the storm, unless there arent as many tutors for enchants in white then ill do the black splash and use either alesha or kalia as the commander

>like tribal decks
>bought three urza's incubator when it was only a couple bucks
>now it's $20

>>55395129
>I'd like some advice
Use tapped out. There's some advice.

>>55398997
jesus christ dude, are you literate?

>>55391952
>>55392736
I run Silumgar, the Drifting Death. 94 Decks and mine (horribly out of date) is one of them. It does well more often than not but he's not my winningest dude. That's Thassa b/c she was my Teferi Takes Too Many Turns deck - changed the Commander to Thassa so I could actually win with all those extra turns. I usually play it once per session if at all b/c, well, you be the guy to say "I'm gonna play the extra turns deck again" and see how that goes over.

>>55398997
>>55399056
You're a fucking idiot.

>pick up Naya "5 attack matters" cards early on to prepare for Dinosaurs thinking they'll have plenty of big stuff
>only 10 5+ attack creatures
>one of them the Commander
>2 of them are shitty commons
I guess Changeling Titan and Berserker will do for ETB triggers like Where Ancients Tread?

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>Oloro player drops a Zur's Weirding on turn 2

>>55399114
Anthems can help you out with that.
actually don't even bother, just use Beastmaster Ascension

post that spicy senpaitachi

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Uploading technology of the most secretive of order.

>>55397998
Ayli.

>>55391952
>What's your most "Hipster" commander?
GODO

The tutor lines are fairly linear but it can absolutely whup ass

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>>55391952
>Thread Question: What's your most "Hipster" commander?
Does this count?

>>55398312
>babyjace storm,
How does that deck even win? Aetherflux? I know High Tide is involved

>>55394197
I guess it is perfect then or did I have it set to private again?

>>55394197
Needs more MLD

Friend and I are looking at EDH, is pillowfort with Kynaios and Tiro fun/decent?
What are some WinCons?

>>55399587
Aetherflux or Lab Man. Your deck runs such a high density of cantrips and infinite mana combos that you're just looking for an excuse to go off.

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How do I troll the shit out of people with this card?

>>55399964
In Gahiji Fight Club as a Reversal of Fortune.

>>55399964
necropotence.

>>55399994

wew

>pay all but one life at the end of his turn

I like the idea, but it's a tough 2 card combo to find.

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>>55399964

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>>55399964
>Play Karlov, Ayli, Selenia, whatever. BW Life-manipulating asshole.
>Necropotence yourself down to pathetic life, enough that you feel you won't be surprise-sniped, 1 on your upkeep if you've got a grand abolisher
>Swap with the player with the most life
>Feed all that life to Necropotence, or other outlets if you're running short on cards
>Crack Tainted Sigil.
>{Laughs in life and cards}

>>55400054
You can search out one half with Zur, as well as Solemnity and Phyrexian Unlife.

Inalla + Artificial Evolution

The effect lasts indefinitely, so it should also apply when Inalla is moved to the command zone.
What new subtype besides wizard? What do?

>>55400105
>target spell or permanent

Once Inalla leaves the battlefield, she's no longer that permanent. The effect doesn't rewrite her physical card, just the permanent it was representing at the time.

>>55400054
You are in black, the color of tutoring, and white, the color of specifically tutoring enchantments. IF you can't find two blasted enchantments, you're doing it wrong! Heck there's even a theros block card, Plea for Guidance, that's mono white and just straight tutors two enchantments. Sure it costs 6 but this is EDH, and Axis costs 6 already.

>>55396951
>how many targeted removal / board wipes cards do you guys usually run? typically run around 8:4
You should run 4:8, because you don't want to 1-for-1 in a multiplayer format

>>55400054
>it's a tough 2 card combo to find.
Make it a 3 card combo with Phyrexian Unlife and use Enduring Ideal to go fetch.

is avenger of zendikar a good card?

>>55400138
>not playing horobi

>>55400143
Good for land decks because he can grow big, fast. Even better when you combine him with Hoof-Daddy.

>>55400143
If it goes unanswered for a few turns then yes.
Otherwise that's a lot of mana for someting that's not impacting the game drastically.

>>55399119
The problem here is Sol Ring/Mana Crypt

New Thread

>>55400196
>>55400196
>>55400196
>>55400196

>>55400138
Isn't that too few? Do you count anti enchantment/artifacts as removal?

>>55400192
>Not Oloro

>>55400206
My current mindset is that single target removal should only be stuff that targets everything such as Chaos Warp, Beast Within and Anguished Unmaking and to handle artifact/enchantment spam with board wipes that hit everything like Hour of Revelation, Akroma's Vengeance, Planar Cleansing, Cyclonic Rift, Oblivion Stone etc.
Fracturing Gust is really underrated.

>>55395422
post decklist fuckboi

>>55396476
t.makesroomsonmtgothatsaynoblueallowed

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>>55397998
Overwhelm

>>55399571
Wait if he triggers on etb, but dies before your next upkeep, do you still get the Sand Warriors.

>>55398253
>What are the hardest to use/master commanders out there
Boros identity ones since you're kneecapped off the bat

>>55402352
Yes. That's why Hazezon decks try to sac him or bounce him before the tokens come in.

>>55399964
Damn that is a much better Mirror Universe! The $140 RL card is outclassed.