IXLAN/XLN Spoilers

>>55386817
Re: Jace -- PleasebedeadPleasebedeadPleasebedeadPleasebedead

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>>55387640
Sorry. Fish save him.

>>55386817
It's a goddamn shame that the flavor text isn't "For the first time in her life, Vraska felt a little warm and fuzzy inside."

>Jace has ANOTHER villainous female planeswalker begging for his dick

Alpha as fuck tbqh

>>55387700
>lose memory
>gorgon pounces on you
>get phish pussy
>too much treasure to carry
Is this Jace's path to WB alpha male?

>>55388330

Don't forget that he also got yoked as fuck. Dude is living the dream.

>>55388298
>He's not the creative team's self insert power fantasy, guys! We swear!

>>55386817
>tfw no guildpact cock in your snekpus

Jesus christ, ANOTHER WAIFU FOR JACE?

>>55388387
Actually they are very open about Jace being the natural self insert for the majority of players.

>>55388839
sources? I'm guessing its on the blogtog but I'm curious

>>55388416
Liliana is old and moldy literally

>>55388839
>whiny
>self entitled
>obsessive and controlling
>melodramatic loner
>autistic and naive

That fits your average controlfag to a T

>>55388416
I just want my Jace to stop being BLACKED.com

>>55388387
>Stop commisioning art with sexy females because muh sexism
>Make their main protagonist a sexy, muscular twinkboy
What did they mean by that?

>>55389022
I don't think anybody is supposed to find nujace attractive actually

you might have brain damaged

>>55389022
They meant >>55388839
Just like Chandra is the witty, tough, sexy-but-not-bimbo for nerdy girls to project themselves onto.

>>55388246
>someone falls of a waterfall
>feel warm and fuzzy inside
Anon are you autistic

>>55389090
>not getting the joke

>>55389090
Anon, are you autistic?

>>55389088
>witty
>tough
>sexy-but-not-bimbo
The past 3 articles I read and nearly every card featuring her gives me the impression of an overactive teenage girl with unlimited access to flamethrower powers and no authority figure to set her straight.

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>>55389088
>Chandra "YEAH! GO NISSA!" Nalaar
>witty

>>55389118
>>55389164
A complete non-sequitur with the card doesn't make a joke or a funny reference

This is why /tg/ filename threads are the absolute worst on the entirety of 4chan

>>55389189
>>55389202
Yeah, and Jace is a tedious doofus who recites facts constantly. They're cynicallly designed characters for teenage nerds to relate to, bviously they suck.

So I've noticed something about the Ixalan spoilers. Over 60 normal rares have been spoiled. 62 to be exact (unless I miscounted somewhere).

I don't recall any set ever having that many before. Not ever. Big sets used to have about 50 and small sets had 35.

Why is wizards doing this? Increasing the number of rares is not good set design.

>>55389618
DFCs are there own slot right? There's 10 of them.

>>55388387
All the political correctness and muh snowflakes is just a cover so they can keep feeding our boy jace fresh pussy.
Based wotc

Guess what everyone?!

Surprise!
The Red Enchantment/Land is garbage!

>>55388298
>"LILIANA IS AMORAL NOT A VILLAIN REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!" - Mark Rosewater

>>55389618
Older sets did. Lorwyn had 80 rares. Innistrad had 59

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>>55389275
The joke is a combination of the old flavor text of pacifism, and the fact that a healthy portion of /tg/ is hoping Jace dies (in vain) and are transposing that joke onto Vraska in the idea that she wants him to be dead as much as they do.

Hence, she gets a warm and fuzzy feeling inside after seeing Jace fall off of a waterfall.

This isn't hard.

>>55389735
When was the last time we got a good red enchanment or land?

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>>55389022
It means that Wizards has begun to see the light
sexy is overrated, cute is justice

>>55389790
>mfw it could've been something cool that interacted with enchant side
>it's Shivan Gorge
>and the enchant side is worse than Outpost Siege
Kill me

>>55389790
Where are people seeing the other sides of the transformed cards?
Mythicspoiler only has the front faces and it's fucking obnoxious to have to come here to see the other side of each
Also, this seems disappointing, but I made the same mistake about Ramunap Ruin so we'll see I guess.

>>55389765
>pacifism
>a card that could not be more removed from the card in question
Even if someone got the "joke" it wouldn't be funny.

>>>55389790
Great limited bomb, let's you run a much lower curve so you can Open Fire every turn.

>>55389767
Hazoret's Favor is pretty nice, since red is consistently getting decent ways of stealing things temporarily now.

>>55389816
Magic spoiler

>>55389816
Click the card on Mythicspoiler, imbecile.

>>55389800
So are we finally done with pirates and dinosaurs? Can we finally see what merfolk are in the set?

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>>55389790
>Outpost siege but can't play lands
So 4 mana is the standard for red getting impulsive draw.

>>55389800
Why has there been almost no merfolk in this set?
Its all pirates, dinos and vamps

>>55389800
If this was 2 mana it'd be pretty great. At 3 it's meh. Like this exists in the same space as Rishkar, who is the same effect except also makes mana dorks and lacks tribal bull shit.

>>55389068
How is a shirtless, muscular and handsome man not attractive? Don't even have to be gay to see he is clearly meant to be sexy. I'm not so insecure in my sexuality, that I can't acknowledge attractiveness in other men.

You might have some problems dude. You want to talk about it?

>>55389747
>name is an anagram for A Villianess

>>55389875
I know what you mean. You don't expect them to be in green, so you pass over them, making an already small amount even smaller.

>>55389905
I believe Anon is referencing how we as an audience view her actions as condemnable, but MaRo always defends it by saying she doesn't apply to our morality.

>>55389815
>>it's Shivan Gorge

>Gorge deals one damage only to an opponent
>This deals three and can also bolt creatures

It's a bit better than Shivan Gorge sempai

>>55389845
Merfolks and vamps are getting the worse so far

>>55389790
>Magic can't ever have guns/black poweder weapons like ever..
>Cannons are somehow fine?
Hmmm

>>55389941
Well, didn't part of the fanbase sided with Nahiri in that a genocide is totally ok if a dude wronged you?

>>55389790
>If it's a nonland card
The best part of outpost siege to me is cutting out land top decks and being able to play them.

>>55389944
Nice dubdubs but I mean as in "another land dealing damage", all other lands have interesting effects.

At least rapidfire burn has a new toy, I guess.

>>55389941
I know.
And there's no way that anagram is a coincidence, either.

>>55389944
So it's a slightly better Shivan Gorge, and a significantly worse Outpost-Siege.

>>55389970
She's a girl so she cannot be evil. Didn't you get the memo about no female Demons ever?

>>55389970
It was just Kor slut fanboys and a few tumblr users. Everyone sided with daddy vampire.

>>55389828
Considering how obvious the joke is, I'm pretty sure most people got it.

It's really just you in the "didn't get it" camp, desu.

>>55389997
You do realize we've had multiple female antagonists in just the last couple years, right?

>>55390004
I fucking wish, there were a vocal group in my town's stores (mostly girls and some male satelites) that got pretty angry if you even hinted Nahiri was evil

>>55389970
Can't wait for when the Gatewatch imprisons her in a rock and throw the key away

>>55390038
But even MaRo on his blog said that Nahiri was the villain of block

>>55390121
One of the villains of the block, with Sorin being another.

>>55390013
And even though everyone understood your joke, you didn't pull all those "keks" and "dude lmao" replies you were looking for.
Because taking two things and mashing them together is middle school humor.

>>55390133
I'll accept that, I guess. It's not like Sorin is actually a nice guy.

>>55390180
The fact that he said that Sorin was evil validated the Nahiri fags and their stupid logic of "well, Nahiri is bad, but Sorin is worst so she did good even if it was using wrong means"

>>55390133
>Home is invaded by vindictive bitch
>you are treated as the villain

>>55390180
Sorin was initally introduced as a guy who understood greater priorities than the ants of the plane (Zendikar, Innistrad OG, Tarkir)

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>>55389088
>Chandra
>Not a bimbo

>>55390133
Sorin was never called a villain. The villains of the block, as listed by Maro, are Nahiri, Avacyn and Emrakul.

>>55389790
The frontside isn't complete garbage. Not sure how the fuck you can transform it later in the game though.

So is this it then? No more previews? Really wanted another decent 4drop dinosaur

Post more based white cathovamps

>>55390424
I believe so. Common dump tomorrow.

>>55390424
.....Today is Thursday.

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>>55390330
>>55390220
>>55390180

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>Liberated

Is this a reference to the myth of Prometheus?

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>>55390672

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>>55390685

>>55390330
>. The villains of the block, as listed, are Maro, Nahiri, Avacyn, and Emrakul.
fixed

>>55389970
To be fair, condemning one plane is relatively tame for an oldwalker

>>55389789
You want a good girl

But you need the bad poosey

>>55389941
>>55389747
>eheh, amoral is not bad
>sexy females that appeal to men is not okay

>>55389970
Sorin and Ugin guilted her into fucking her home plane on the condition they'd always be there to help her. When the time came Ugin was dead and Sorin couldn't be arsed, because she wasn't satisfied with that answer he banished her to hell.

In return Nahiri locked him in stone and fucked his planet as hard as he'd fucked hers. Petty? Yes. But Sorin did the exact same things to her first. In Sorin's defence he did try to help but Nissa went and fucked it and Sorin concluded Zendikar deserves everything it gets.

Tldr: Nahiri is a villain but she's only copying Sorin.

>>55390881
>as hard as he'd fucked hers
He protected Zendikar actually

>>55390913
It didn't need protecting before he locked Cthulhu inside it. And he failed to protect it when the time came because its residents are retards. Hence why Nahiri was pissed.

>>55390861
If >>55390654 >>55390672 >>55390685 >>55390755 aren't sexy and attractive to you, then you're just terrible at waifus.

>>55389767
A good red land? Come on, it just dominated the last standard for months.

>Gold armor and weapons
Fuck no, that's a shitty metal for that purpose

>>55390998
It's Dusk-blessed gold that can stand up to Ixalan steel.

>>55390963
Not sexy. Try again.

>>55389800
Why are all the elves in this set called "merfolk?"

>>55391016
Except all the natives mock it for being tacky shit and poorly made in the latest story.

>>55391042
Honestly? Because they needed a 4th cool tribe people could be excited about and Merfolk has a die hard fanbase.

>>55391051
Still capable of running a fucking dinosaur through.

>>55391029
>Not sexy. Try again.
you have shit taste anon.

>>55391083
He's one of those fat sweaty autists who thinks that every woman should be clad in nothing but her underwear. Ignore him.

>>55391083
They aren't really sexy. Cool looking, sure, but not sexy.

>>55390998
That's the point. It's ornate and decorative. Other than the aesthetic of the Sun Empire having silver armor and the Legion of Dusk having gold armor, that's one way they sort of balanced the historic "imbalance" between the two, by giving the natives better metal.

>>55391100
>>55391029
>>55391083
People tend to define 'sexy' as something sexually appealing, usually through attractive sexual features that are relatively exposed to the viewer's gaze. As such, the extremely covered up vampires of Ixalan are not sexy if you go by that definition, even if you find them aesthetically appealing.

As such, his focus on 'sexy' women is likely a focus on women with exposed cleavage, midriffs, thighs and other parts of the female body that are considered sexual attractive, which there has been a significant lack of as of late. Although the Ixalan vampires are not sexy, they may certainly be considered attractive, although that is subjective.

>>55390934
>its residents are retards
I know people use the Eldrazi incident against Nissa, but seriously, look at how Sorin acts in that scene.

>Sorin: So Nissa, I know I refrained from telling you I'm a vampire while insisting you trust me, and Anowon, I know I kinda murdered everyone you brought on this trip for the hell of it, and I know I've treated you both with contempt for the past month we've been traveling together, but you've gotta help me fix the seal on the Eldrazi.
>Anowon: If the Eldrazi want to get free so bad, won't they just... leave if we break the seal?
>Sorin: No. Don't ever suggest that again or I'll kill you.
>Nissa: Wait, would that seriously work?
>Sorin: Dammit guys, now I've gotta use magic to suffocate you both and leave you to die.
>Nissa: Holy shit Sorin what the fuck. I'm breaking the seal before you kill me.
>Sorin: Why does no-one ever trust me??

>>55391140
Even iron is better metal than gold for the purpose they're using, and I hope they have iron otherwise their boats won't even make it to water. Srly, gold is dull as fuck, hit twice with a gold weapon and you'll have an amorphous stick in the third hit

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>>55391083
You have faggotiness.
>>55391100
Yes, that's one of the requirements of "sexy".

This is sexy.

>>55391188
Why are you wasting time explaining words to 25 years old neckbeards?

>>55391233
>Has an autistic screeching fit that the women in MTG art have have the audacity to wear clothes like normal people and not his fetish bait
>Dares to all other people faggots
Really makes you think

>>55391188
>>55391233
you do realize people can find "pure" looking girls sexually appealing, and the face being the sexual feature.

>>55391213
You know you're talking about a set that has feathers and literally every kind of ancient animal people typically refer to as "dinosaurs" right? Scientific accuracy of gold as a metal for this purpose is so far removed from their priorities that it's almost absurd to even talk about it. We don't even know if it's actually literally gold and not some kind of amalgam or something, in the same way the Sun Empire has steel A) because it's a superior metal and B) because it LOOKS silver which there are lore and aesthetic reasons for wanting to have.

>>55391213
>>55390998
>>55391051
>"Let me see it again," her cousin whispered.

>Huatli opened her saddlebag. A glint of steel winked back at the two knights.

>Inti peeked into the bag, the ghost of a grin on his face. "It's hideous."

Vampires use steel. It might be goldy-looking steel but it's steel, as confirmed by the creative team.

>>55391233
>My taste is the only taste and everyone else is wrong
Unironically kys

>>55391276
That's abnormal fethishization of purity, rather than the typical definition of sexy.

>>55391296
Pretty sure that was just using "steel" as a synonym for metal here. I thought during the worldbuilding panel it was implied only the empire used steel.

>>55389981

>all other lands are literally better version of famous mtg lands

>>55391276
No, I don't because they don't. They find them hot. Hot and sexy have a different meaning.
>>55391268
>waaaahhh why are males (male) asking for half naked females (female), how dare they!
I'm not going to ask forgiveness for liking the female body, if that wasn't already clear.
>>55391305
Done. Now it's your turn.

>>55391367
I'm not surprised that, like most of /tg/, you have to drag your fetish kicking and screaming into everything you do. And much like the rest of /tg/ you are too oblivious and/or selfish to see that you're the only voice clamoring impotently for this garbage. You're at such a loss for an actual effective stance that you are literally arguing semantics with that other anon, splitting hairs is not going to get you anywhere.

>>55391367
>No, I don't because they don't. They find them hot. Hot and sexy have a different meaning.
>People can only think what i think they think.

>I'm not going to ask forgiveness for liking the female body, if that wasn't already clear.
no one is saying naked females aren't sexy. People are telling you that clothed females can be sexy as well.

>Done. Now it's your turn.
cringe

>>55390278
>demanding
>not-enormous chested
>short hair
>eyewear
>really dumb but thinks she's a goddamn genius
You have a weird metric for bimbos.

>>55391437
>cringe
Careful, he might accuse you of being from reddit in a desperate attempt to save face

>>55391428
> And much like the rest of /tg/ you are too oblivious and/or selfish to see that you're the only voice clamoring impotently for this garbage
>just like everyone else, you're the only person
I mean, he's still a faggot, but... what?

>>55391323
I find that harder to believe than steel meaning, you know, steel.

>>55391467
I should have been more clear. /tg/ is full of autists like him who think their singular individual tastes and visions are the correct ones and everyone else is wrong, stupid or both.

>>55391472
mtg isn't famous for its literary value, that's fore sure.

>>55391472
I find that harder to believe than no one proof reading the stories to make sure that autists can't misread them.

In the worldbuilding panel they said outright that vampires use gold, and that the natives don't because it's too holy.

>>55391472
Uh... really? That seems like you're pretending to be dense. "Steel" is a very common synonym to refer to metal in general. I'd say the only part that makes me unsure is that they were specific about steel before so it makes it less likely to use it when they didn't mean it.

>>55391428
Liking the body of the opposite sex is not a fetish, it's the physiological reaction.

How old are you?
>>55391437
I don't think you still acquired the ability to understand the meaning of text required to respond to posts on 4chan.

>>55391463
>I'm from reddit but I don't have to justify it: the post

>>55389757
Lorwyn had no mythics

>>55391519
>Latching on to juvenile internet tribalism
Well I didn't think your opinion held any merit before but now I know it doesn't

>>55391519
this conversation actually makes me wonder something /tg/. If you had to make all the cards be either "cool", "beutiful" (art-wise)", or sexy. Which would you choose

>>55390755
White shade?

>>55391512
The only description used for the metal of the swords is 'steel.' Nowhere is 'gold' written. It is simply 'steel.' Even if 'steel' is used to mean 'literally any metal at all,' why would it 'steel' refer to 'gold?' Point out where the equipment used by vampires has been labelled as 'gold' in any of the articles, blogs, interviews or panels we've seen so far.

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>>55391582

>>55391608
Not only that, but we've seen the vampires using swords that are clearly not made entirely of solid gold.

Them using gold is pure aethetics, and their weapons and armor are likely just gilded. Either that, or it may be bronze

>>55391566
The problem with that is that all of those are subjective. "Cool" can be badass ogres and stuff smashing walls, but that can be seen as edgelord garbage. "Sexy" can be women in positions of power wearing armor and killing things, or it could be women scantily clad- doing just about anything. "beautiful" could be old art only and non-digital, but some people don't like their art to look like high-school watercolor in 2017.

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>>55391519
get a load of this faggot

Here, this better for you?

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>>55391628
>"The hour of Dusk is come."

What did she mean by this?

Also, how many typo's is that in this set alone? What he heck is going on at Wizards?

>>55391661
i know they are subjective. i wanted subjective answers with clarification probably.

>>55391686
She means that the hour of Dusk is literally ejaculate.

>>55391548
>hurr
>>55391566
Good thing we don't have to choose.

>>55391608
I'm not saying they are using gold. I'm pretty sure if anything it's this >>55391638, their stuff is just gilded if there is actual gold involved and it isn't just gold colored metal. Just that the worldbuilding panel said that the Sun Empire were distinct in that they developed which implies the legion doesn't use steel. I don't remember if the panel said they do use actual gold like >>55391508 said

>>55391566
I don't care as long as theyre one of those three rather than bland or ugly.

So basically just give us the opposite of what we're getting now.

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>>55391672
No, but this is.

I'm gonna un-faggot you with dem legs.

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>>55391697
Personally, I would like a practical balance. Most cards are mundane or "cool", the most beautiful art used for either mythic or, hurts to say, pre-designed tournament staples. Also, a sexy card or two in each set would not be the end of the world; I don't mind the prudish majority of female representation in mtg, but to be completely depraved of a little boobage in my fantasy game is too extreme.

>>55391758
Distinct from the Mesoamericans of reality in that they managed to develop steel, rather than distinct from the Legion of Dusk. In fact, they put a great deal of effort into mentioning how the Legion of Dusk and the Sun Empire are technologically equal, which means they both likely produce and use steel. And when I say steel, I mean steel as in steel and not steel as in any metal, as that apparently needs to be mentioned these days.

>>55391773
God that art looks awful.

>>55391778
Being equal doesn't mean you have to have access to the same things. You can be made equal in other ways. They also even said the Legion may even be slightly less "powerful" than the Empire so there's also that. The point they were trying to make was that the spanish were massively more technologically advanced and that gap is cleared here.

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>>55391811
It's amazing how much worse it gets.

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>>55391811
I prefer it to some (not all) of the Ixalan card art, if only because it doesn't look too bad for digital art.

Unlike this.

>>55391811
>>55391841
Maybe I'm missing what's awful about i.t

>>55391841
>>55391773
>Either of these
>Bad
Oh, I get it. You're trolling

>>55391847
It looks like some cheap, plastic looking American cartoon for children.
>>55391845
It actually looks very bad.

I think you guys have very low standards for art. Read some decent comics/manga.

>>55391508
Ah, but when they say gold, do they mean gold or are they just talking about a metal that might just look like gold? After all, gold is a word that is used to describe items that look like gold, rather than just being used to describe something that is, in fact, gold.

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Posting more "bad" art. Claim your waifus.

>>55391845
What the fuck dude I know it's a literal butt pirate but that art is totally fine on a technical level. I mean everything posted so far as examples of "bad art" as been too but this one even has a nice broad brushstroke traditional painting look people cry about wanting.

>>55391904
I disagree with you.

>>55391919
Huge swathes of it are technically fucking unfinished. There's nothing traditional about it. Everything about it screams "look, I used a tablet to make this in the space of two hours."

>>55391956
>GRRR TECHNOLOGY BAD

>>55391918
>she doesn't have Reach
JUST

>>55391956
You know what this art is used for, right? Tiny little pictures on cards. Many artists actively put too many details where they don't matter. Because they didn't put lots of detail in the background doesn't make it "unfinished". I literally described the part that gives it the appearance of traditional painting as opposed >>55391918 (not that I have any problem with that).

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>>55391979
Fuck off, literally nothing there looks like a brushstroke.

Here, have some more TECHNICALLY PERFECT ART PAINTED IN A TRULY TRADITIONAL ARTISTIC FASHION USING PAINTS THINNED WITH THE TEARS OF REBECCA GUAY.

>>55386817
Having just read Eduardo Galeano's Memory of Fire, I don't know if I can ethically support this set

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Mirrodin block had some serious knockers.

>>55391919
>>55391956
nit-picky but if they wanted the KANG to be the alluring focus of this piece so much that they literally blurred out the background by leaving it un-detailed, they could have at least fully committed and left no nook/cranny on his person fully fleshed out. The drop in effort put into depicting his hands/chest compared to his face is striking

>>55392054
Now thats what I call quality.

>>55391686
Not a typo, just an archaism.

>>55392076
The background isn't "literally blurred out" you imbecile.

>>55391971
I don't see what's so bad about this one on a technical level. The only real complaint I could make about this is that the elf seems bland because it looks like she's just posing instead of actually doing magic or whatever she's supposed to be doing ,everything else is fine. Hell I even really like what they did with the waves of green against the grey wasteland in the background.

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>>55391919
>>55391979
>>55392076
The outlined section is so flat and bland that it sticks out even in the thumbnail, so the 'designed for card art' argument is moot when I can tell that it's trash even from a thumbnail.

>>55392083
Thank you for the clarification, it is very fitting for the vamps role.

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>>55392074
sure did

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>>55392118

>>55391919
>>55391934
>>55391918
>the absolute state of /tg/

Very sad.

It resembles one of those garbage manga generals where everybody is actually conviced their beloved shonen jump manga has good art.

>>55391140
Not better than the others, though - the idea was to have all the factions on-par.
The reason the vampires have gold is to make it clear they're not here for even more (and to make Vampire Stuff more noticeable) because they have all they could ever want

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>>55392124
There are sexy females in all of the art, it's inherently bad.

https://gomakemeasandwich.wordpress.com/2015/11/10/what-its-like-for-me-as-a-woman-to-play-magic-the-gathering-big-images/

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>>55392154
That is outrageous. I would love to see at least one card like that today.

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anyone have a high-res of this one?

>>55392131
Its not flat. The shading and outline gives a very clear sense of shape, especially when contrasted with the light color of the background making it pop out. Probably intentionally so as compositionally it makes sense to go from his face to his hand here. Like... do you even know what you're talking about or what? Like I said depicting a gay pirate isn't a reflection of the technical skill making it bad or ugly art, no matter how much it upsets you.

>>55392223
The fact you can't even see what I'm indicating shows that this argument is moot.

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All I see is jackie chan in this one.

>>55392158
You only played yourself. Those aren't "literally blurred out."

>>55392223
>Like I said depicting a gay pirate isn't a reflection of the technical skill making it bad or ugly art, no matter how much it upsets you.
Nice strawman. No one is attacking to subject, just the laziness of the composition.

We need more spoilers before you guys lose your minds. I can't even fucking imagine how you guys would debate art at a museum.

>>55392248

I WAN NO TRABBLE

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>>55392250

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>>55392277
>monet is a hack, all his work is literally blurred out and he took 30 years to make one "painting".

>>55392265
Its a strawman, but I also gave an actual argument, so trying to deflect by calling logical fallacy in an attempt to discredit the entire post doesn't work. Do you know what that one is called?

>>55392010
She's electrocuting a Barbie doll. That's appalling.

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>>55392248

>>55392315
I kind of like it. The whole card has these solid colors throughout. It looks like a deliberately flat style.

I get what you mean though.

>>55392301
Nigger I also posed an argument in my post: the piece is lazy and unfinished.

>>55390471
And?

>>55392131
I can understand your point and i prefer old art too, but damn this is art for a small card, don't be so picky about a small portion of the background. Yes it would be nice to have art that stiĺl looks good when zoomed, but it's not the purpose of this art and it shouldn't be how you judge it.

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>>55392371
never post that abortion of a card again

>>55392351
Spoiler don't finish until Friday.

>>55392367
That post literally says that the flaw is noticeable from the thumbnail. The "it's card art so its flaws don't matter" argument is moot when the flaws are visible from the thumbnail.

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>>55392054
Yes.
>>55392109
Shit but he at least got the candlelight right.

Can anyone respond to >>55390677 ?

>>55392429
>>55392412
Argyle's art feels soulless.

>>55392532
That was a real question? What does it have to do with prometheus? Hes karn liberated because venser and the gang liberated him from the phyrexians who were trying to make him the new father of machines.

>>55392552
They're vampires, of course they're soulless.

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>>55392552
I personally like deadly allure, but not much else of his work.

>>55392561
Are you not familiar with the myth of Prometheus?

>>55392592
Not offhand, just in general terms.

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Would like the full art of this one. Unusually sexy for a recent card.

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Can't we have the female equivalent of Tesigur?

Why is it okay to have sexy males but not females?

>>55392606
For starters, I thought Karn Liberated was a strange name, when I looked into it it reminded me of Prometheus Unbound but maybe I'm stretching it a bit, that's why I asked.

>>55390747
>muh moral realtivism

>>55392630
Pretty sure its unrelated, or tangentially related in the sense that many archetypes and story tropes have roots in ancient myth and can all be traced back, but any direct relationship was probably unintended

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>>55392613

>>55388869
I read a post where a kid was excited for Jace lands because he mad an all-Jace deck.

>>55392686
Nah, not close.

>>55391686
>typo's
>he heck
I don't know if you're being ironic or not, but stop it

>>55392613
I dunno man, I prefer my men to be beefy. But I really want a plane with Male Angels. Unabashedly secure in their masculinity and power. It'd be fucking mint.

>>55389875
to be fair... there are 3 sets in ixilan...
but my guess is 1/1 hexproof that can be +1/+1 and made unblockable really easy is something that shouldn't exist...

>the conquistador stand-ins are light-skinned religious fanatic parasites who suck the blood/life/vis out of the oppressed natives
hmn what did wotc mean by this?

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>>55392371
>dies to bolt
just

>>55392757
Only two, Ixalan and Rivals. Explorers is a supplemental product

>>55392607
Firebrand Archer's armpits!!!

>>55392729
So much for equality.

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>>55392793
Pits, legs, that sideboob tease. It's a great piece displaying a woman doing something competent and empowering with just the right amount of spice, and I bet someone will still get upset.

>>55392686
>>55392711
No bananas, no deal.

>>55392835
The fact people got angry about mermaid thighs still frustrates me to this day.

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>>55392821
Can't help what I like. That and for people to stop looking at me funny when I try to play...

>>55392764
>the conquistador stand-ins are fucking badass vampire knights who are only invading in the first place because they don't have to suck blood if they retrieve a religious artifact that was stolen from them and is being kept from them by the technologically advanced natives
hmn what did wotc mean by this?

>>55392729
Amonkhet has make angels.

>>55392764
you're the only seeing the vampire conquistadores as anything other than badasses.

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>>55392862
I didn't even know about that, that's ridiculous.

>>55392862
What?
>>55392873
Magic is all gay nowadays, stop complaining and let us have some naked babe.

>>55392862
They did?

>>55392131
>captivating
>not attractive
>not ripped
>not sexy
>not victor the enthralling
He looks like an autistic manlet Hamilton backup dancer.

>>55392901
>>55392905
>>55392916
I'm fucking pissed about mermaid thighs, because mermaids don't have goddamn legs and so don't have goddamn thighs.

This is a scientific fact proven by evolution, no matter what your gender studies professor might say.

>>55392924
I know you can use more buzzwords than that.

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>>55392936
But mermaids and merfolk are two different things.

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>>55392887
I guess, but they don't remind me of the previous angels. Pic related

>>55392905
Don't get me wrong. I want naked babes. I also want scantily clad manly men. That kind of art conveys strength and confidence.
and does things to me

>>55392963
I hope if we have a block on Shandalar, we get more amphibious drakes as depicted here.

>>55392963
I am also mad as hell about merfolk thighs! And also merman thighs! They can all fuck right off forever. Go back to the water, fishes!

>>55393000
mad digits

>>55392974
But they are scantily clad. The amount of male angels in MTG doubled because they finally broke that silly rule.

Are they not pretty enough? I'm not queer enough to know, I only notice over the top attractive dudes like Rakish Heir.

Jesus this thread devolved fast

>>55392393
>>55392778
To be fair, it's totally in flavour. Since she redirected the damage onto herself.

>>55392905
>>55392916
I thought that's why you used that art. It was that one in particular that set the rant off, along with Kiora in general.

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>>55393038
I assure you it was entirely coincidence, but just about every piece I posted has been the target of some form of feminist flaming.

>>55391904
>read comics to gain a strong taste for art
Nigga is you retarded? Especially with bringing up Manga where painted pieces are so rare. Wester comics still has an emphasis on painting but it's uncommon. Paint, physical or digital, is what magic art thrives on. You remove the paint and then I bet your ass the playerbase is gonna cry harder than they are right now.

>>55393066
I dunno where you find these MTG feminists. Even ribbit doesn't have any of that. Our LGS is still all dudes and the girls that do show up don't preach an agenda.

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>>55392174
First of all archive that shit, I regret looking it up.

However since I was there I read all of it, the argument was extremely weak and bias. The arguments of the BFZ art was the following was sexist:
>fish women wear tight clothing (makes sense swimmer do it too, can't swim in baggy clothing)
>Women have Thigh Gap (these women live in the jungle, you have to be fit, fit women have a thigh gap)
>Kor women was getting her clothing blown off (in reality the kor, herself was being blown into dust)
>Korra has tits (yeah those fish people sure love to cover head too toe, must be a fan of a burka beach)
>Women had a warp for a top (This is a real thing women have done all thru out history, main those working in the fields, so of course a warrior in the jungle would wear a wrap)
>complains about women in BfZ having thin legs (yes, they do, cause they dont sit on Tumblr all day eating 2 boxes of smuckers uncrustables)

I read some more shit the whole site is borderline childish, no solid arguments were made and they delete bad comments and replace them with lefty pol level memes. Also too much obsession with breast in fantasy, it's extremely clear the writer has real envy of healthy or attractive women.

This shit was on the same level as the race baiting retard in my pic.

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>>55393021
I was thinking of specifically male angels. In old cards they looked like set pieces. You dropped and angel and it looked as fierce as a dragon. The Amonkhet Angels looked just like dudes with wings. They could be 2/2 fliers, they do not dominate their cards.

>>55393083

https://gomakemeasandwich.wordpress.com/2015/07/28/wtf-wotc-your-art-direction-is-confusing/

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>>55393095
What? Look at how majestic this fucker looks. Gigantic, sun glowing behind him, glowing skin and muscles.

I don't think you've given these guys a shot. But eh, it is subjective.

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>>55392174
>>55393119
ARCHIVE THIS SHIT, stop giving this women clicks.

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>>55393148
The Amonkhet "angels" resemble constructs more than male angels. The forms are a bit lankey and I think anon wants a simple design like Thor with wings and a sword.

>>55393119
>So while I realize that the plural of anecdote is not data, it’s something that has bothered me sufficiently that I thought it would be worth taking a look at what Magic has been up to recently that has been getting under my skin.

Eh. They conceded this stuff was more or less nonsense. Also, a feminist blog on Wordpress is probably the most ridiculous thing to ever seek out when it comes to understanding marketing.

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>>55393068
The fuck are you talking about? Black and white or colored a drawing is a drawing.

>>55387700
This could cost two mana and barely see modern play

>>55393192
>>55393119
But yeah, this whole thing was making some fair points but missing the fact that these were established characters being depicted and changing their iconic appearance would be fucking it up. Unlike DND which is random weirdos in every art.

>>55393218
This card isn't even really in the set, man.

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>>55393148
I see where you're coming from. But imagine Garruk, silk loincloth, rippling form, descending from the heavens on his spread wings. That's a human depiction of strength and confidence.

In contrast the Amonkhet angels kinda look like lanky statues. They are beings that exist, but they lack that human feature that I want out of angels. Reflections of a divine and perfect self.

>>55393189
Thor with wings works well.

>>55390963
Beautiful is aesthetically pleasing.
Sexy is erotically enticing.
You can be both, but you can also be sexy without being beautiful or beautiful without being sexy.

Catholic vampis are beautiful and WotC fucked up if they want them to be villains because people, specially normalfags, are more willing to side with beautiful people than with "diverse" uggos.

>>55391545
those were better days

>>55391276
That's kinda creepy.

>>55393213
Something like that would be fucking blasted today by fans If it were a card dude. And a drawing is a drawing but magic artist scene is different from western and Eastern comics and animation scenes and its stupid to compare the two to gain and understanding of what makes a good painting.

/tg/ is shit when discussing art. They can't tell the difference half the time when something is digital or traditional.

>>55393283
Gotcha. I assume this is because people have a hard time making the kind of rough beefy guy dignified the way they are careful to do with Angels.

Well, that and the fact that they had a very strict reason for making Bolas's angels look as evil as they look.

>>55393329
Medium doesn't really matter to me.

>>55393350
It shouldn't but /tg/ cries and bitches about how digital art is ruining the game's art when it isn't. Bad artists and inexperienced artists are, it's not the tools.

>>55389954
They are magical cannons apparently.
Also, reminder that Kaladesh had some !laserguns.

>>55393287
I don't think they wanted them to be villains. They've been pretty consistent lately in making their real villains extraplanar aberrations.

And I was being kind of absurd in that comment, but perfect, porcelain-skinned Spanish noblewomen in the throes of barely-contained religio-carnal ecstasy are also pretty fucking erotic. Your average elves or Kor might not be sexy in those outfits, but these vampires, with the most minimal appreciation of the fluff, are.

>>55391566
I'd fire Dawn Murin and all the SJW artists. And remove PR from the creative meetings.
Then I'd beg Guay, Walker, Post, Brom and Gregory to come back.

Cool, beautiful and sexy can co-exist in perfect harmony, but neither can survive where politics and corporate matter more than aesthetics.

>>55391847
There's bare female skin.

>>55393422
I'd say the reason some of those artists don't work for wizards anymore is because the pay for magic art is pretty garbage for illustrators trying to make a living. Especially for traditional artists. Probably why digital art is so dominant on cards now.

>>55389790
>2R Tap

God damn it. They couldn't just make it lightning bolt on s stick could they? I refuse to use this card just because of that.

>>55393486
>wanting standard to be literally nothing but mono red until the end of next year
why

>>55392024
Hispanics do.
You white ass can go whine in a corner about the injustices of colonialism while the descendants of conquerors and emperors play with painted cardboard. Surely your "solidarity" for their poor opressed selves will be noted.

>>55393506
R Tap would of been fucking fine. Three spells in a turn after turn four is a steep cost. That means your holding back and giving the agro player 4 turns to beat your face in with little in the way disrupting them.

Also its fucking called enchantment removal. It should be fucking in every deck on principle. "Oh hey they jusat played Blasting Cannons for 4 let me spend 2 or 3 mana to remove it butting me at advantage mana wise"

>>55392613
Banana Man is hideous, gets a 0 on the homo-boner scale from me. I'm more interested in his chair and nutritious side-dishes than his emaciated ass
Perhaps he's made for a grill's gaze but I doubt it

>>55392613
Because women genuinelly see fictional pretty women as sexual competition.

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>>55393095
this guy was pretty pimp

>>55393571
I could definitely see an evolution of Ramunap that uses a super low curve and card draw to pop it off consistently.
Also I think you're forgetting what the enchantment does, it's an extra card you can cast.

>>55393596
He's totally made for women. Muscular but not bulky, confident but passive posture, kinda feminine features: perfect weirdo-pretty-boy.

Also I only just now noticed his banana table is a zombie.

>>55393636
>it's an extra card you can cast.

I know that but you still got to pay for it. Yeah they could play super low but in this set with the Dino's and rampage AND Vamps with their token spam and flying lifelink I don't think a low curve red is going to go very well. Vamps wont give a flying fuck if you bolt one of their many tokens and will out heal a bolt to the face. Big dinos will laugh at you as you activate rampage or kill you faster than you can bolt them to the face because its a legendary land.

>>55393422
>Then I'd beg Guay, Walker, Post, Brom and Gregory to come back.
absolute top tier patrician taste

>>55393571
>R Tap would of been fucking fine.
No it wouldn't. Doesn't matter if you have to flip it first, that shit would be retardedly broken.

>>55393692
>I know that but you still got to pay for it.
Which is why I mentioned a super low curve.
>but in this set with the Dino's and rampage AND Vamps with their token spam and flying lifelink
I don't think these things are going to see much constructed play, were you talking about draft?
If it was a draft-only thing, I think dropping the cost to 1R would be fair.

>>55393088
>the whole site is borderline childish
>no solid arguments were made
>it's extremely clear the writer has real envy of healthy or attractive women.
No shit Sherlock. Companies (and industries in general) where attractive women are the majority of female employees coincidentially tend to be less involved in feminist bullshit and have better performance than the ones filled with uggos who spend your company time and copy machine toner harassing their coworkers about "micro-agressions".

>>55393620
To be honest, I tgink this is s cool piece of art, but it kinda bugs me how ezplicitly a black dude was used to model this compared to the other Amonkhrt angels who are dark skinned but don't appear especially black to me. This guy doesn't even really look like a construct like the others.

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>>55393213
>>55393068
As a sidenote, Magic can only hope to have art like this.
>>55393329
>Something like that would be fucking blasted today by fans If it were a card
Why?

Magic used to have art you could find on the cover of metal vinyls, nowadays it looks more like deviantart shit.

>>55393596
I'm pretty sure you don't understand anything about what women want.

>>55393457
They pay the same as other editorials, but they have become much more tedious and corporate to work with in the past years. That's why Mohrbacher left: PR supplanting AD faculties and making him change shit way past the sketching phase with no compensation, and Ultra-Pro banning him from making products of his own with the art for Erebos.

If it wasn't for such practices, WotC would still be one of the best places to work for as a freelance artist.

>>55393571
To be honest, three spells is holding on to exactly one thing and then getting a spell on both the exile-draw and your regular draw, and if you don't get that play shit.
Not saying the card is good. Just that the three-spells isn't that hard to do when it's helping you achieve that itself. Lot of single changes could've helped made it good, but as-is not so much.
Also, backside is the best burnland outside Valakut itself.

>>55393776
Shrunken onto a card all the pointillism would disappear and it was just look like an incomplete white sketch in a colorful order.

>>55393718
>that shit would be retardedly broken.

You are the reason MTG is the low power shit fest that it is. You are literally whats wrong with MTG.

>>55394018
As it is? Or as it is currently? What are you comparing it against?

Anyway, this shit hits creatures. My only complaint is it doesn't let you play lands, everything else is fairly costed.

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The flip sides of all these cards look ugly as fuck to me.

It's that same damned SJW diversity hire chick they added as a graphic designer within R&D. Making the Amonkhet Invocation nonsense and now this. She has to go.

>>55394187
completely agree for different reasons. Whoever the fuck thinks center aligned text and symbols look good needs to be tarred and feathered.

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>>55394187
>>55394187
>>55394187
>>55394187
Have they shown the checklist card for the DFCs? I didn't like the way they did it for INN and SOI. I wonder if they're gonna use a different method this time. Maybe a proxy card for each DFC, like the embalm tokens?

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>>55394315
That would be decent. I hate the physical requirements of dfcs and I have to acquire two of each one I employ; one to have in the deck because the proxy card is hideous and one to use as a flipper in a clear sleeve. But now the card backs are pokemon-tier ridiculous and I have a hard time seeing using them at all.

>>55394315
When they revealed the first one, yes.

>>55391686
All the "typos" you've pointed out in the past few weeks are just anachronisms. They're perfectly legitimate.

>>55392054
Dis he legit just riff the lil kim cover?

>>55392300
>monet is a hack
i know this is bait but fuck you i will fight you.

>>55391953
I like her but hate the whip.
This is what the majority of the people on amonkek should have looked like not like samut.

>>55394060
Hes comparing it to the rest of magic, anyone can see that you fucking tard.