Games Workshop AGM

>>55382473

Performance:
>sales are up across the board - in every sector, every range, and every month
>all the charts are pointing in the right direction
>surplus cash will be returned to shareholders as dividends

Strategy:
>they've recruited so that they now have separate design teams for 40k, AoS and specialist games
>this is to allow them to release something for each of those lines on a regular basis, monthly at least if not faster
>they want there to constantly be something new for players to buy rather than them waiting for months on end
>keeping a constant monthly cashflow and sales improvement is important to them, it's not about a few big releases a year
>efforts are being made to reduce the price point and make joining the game easier, thus the range of price points for 8th (from £5 magazine with single figure up to £95 boxed set)
>target areas for new stores are North America and Asia
>trade (FLGSs) is more profitable than retail (GW stores), but the latter is more important for recruitment. They intend to do more to support both
>they want to bring more women into the hobby, but don't want to alienate the existing playerbase while doing so, it is something they're aware of (but no details as yet)
>prices aren't dropping any time soon
>production is pushing up against maximum capacity, they're going to be investing a fair bit in new injection moulding machinery

>>55382477

Marketing:
>they hired a marketing team about 18 months ago
>they have no intention of mass-marketing
>the digital strategy is an attempt to get control of the narrative, they identified the fact that all the web traffic was going to blogs and forums where new (and old) players would meet a lot of negativity and grumbling
>it's working, their web traffic is high and growing (2 million unique users on warhammer community, for example), the traffic on 3rd party sites is falling
>they are measuring clickthroughs and doing more market research about customers, no granular info yet, but a big change in direction from the Kirby years
>they intend to carry on being much more proactive in supporting tournament organisers and the like

>>55382485

40k:
>none of them are allowed to say, but from what I wheedled out it sounds like 8th is doing very well indeed, they consider it a success
>the gathering storm stuf and SW:A was a strategy to prevent the normal big sales drop-off they get before a new edition (like they did with WHFB's end times)

AoS:
>they won't provide figures for individual ranges, but sales are up
>overlords did well

Specialist games:
>the reason they abandoned these in the past was because they had a small design team which was hard to expand, so they put the focus into the most profitable lines (40k and fantasy), that's not an issue any more
>the success of BB caught them by surprise, which is why there was a fairly big gap between gobbos and elves. The latter are the first team designed entirely since release, they intend to continue releasing about one team per quarter
>necromunda will have better support from the get go, they want to get more of the gangs out at release or shortly thereafter and have future plastics more planned out
>aiming to make them very customisable, extra weapons and upgrades will probably be available in resin
>cawdor got a mention, might mean that they're coming at release or might just mean that that's one they're working on now
>HH has been derailed a bit by Bligh's death and producing a new rulebook. Now that's in the printers they're getting back on with it, there are plenty of models in the pipeline
>there are no more HH plastics planned at the moment. Never say never, but production time is at least a year, so don't expect anything anytime soon.

That's all I can remember right now off the top of my head. We got a free issue of WD and a slap-up feed. Feel free to ask questions and I'll answer if I can.

>>55382492
Any word about old scale marines being phased out? I kind of hate that there are two scales of marine in SM armies. I wouldn't mind if old marines got new kits to bring them closer in height to primaris just so it doesn't look so odd. New Rhino and Land Raider kits would be nice too.

>>55382473

Thanks for posting. No questions tho.

Just glad the 'Kirby Years' are in the rear view mirror.

Stopped The Hobby tm* after 8th edtion End Times, recently looking at getting back in.

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>>55382492
>HH has been derailed a bit by Bligh's death and producing a new rulebook. Now that's in the printers they're getting back on with it, there are plenty of models in the pipeline
>HH book in the printers

Thanks for posting, OP!

>>55382473
Anything new about licensing their IP's to video game developers and how the royalties look?
Anyway thanks for posting quite interesting.

>>55382574

Alas, I can't help you there. They don't really talk about the specifics of what models they're making in future (at least not in the main presentation), information for shareholders is more about financial performance, strategy going forward, that kind of thing. I can appreciate that there isn't a huge world of overlap between that and what /tg/ is interested in. It's clear that they intend to keep up a pretty ferocious schedule of releases year round, but they didn't give us specifics.

>>55382580

This was Kirby's last year chairing the AGM. He went through all the resolutions (which are the dull technical part of the meeting), but was pretty scarce thereafter. Rountree is definitely in the driving seat, and they intend to continue with the approach they've been using over the last year and a bit.

>>55382613

Don't get too excited, it's just the 7.something rules update, there's not going to be anything particularly new in there.

>>55382692
Gosh darnit all to heck.

>>55382684

Royalties are mostly down to TW:W and Vermintide, they seem pretty pleased with them and intend to continue with licensing, no specifics though. I think the royalties were £7.5 million? I can't remember all the figures, but it's in the end of year reports if you want to dig those out.

>>55382721
how much did they make in total revenue?

>>55382692
Thanks for posting, this reinforces my confidence in the new direction of the company. Unless something catastrophic happens I think we're going to be seeing good times for the next couple of years at least. God bless Mr Rountree.

>>55382722

Revenues are £158 million (£143.4 million constant currency, which is what they care more about). Up 34% year on year (21% constant currency). It's all in the figures, as is a lot of other stuff, if you want to read them:

>https://19485-presscdn-0-14-pagely.netdna-ssl.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/07/Combined-document.pdf

>>55382727

There was a real sense that they have their heads screwed on and have a proper strategy going forward, in terms of investment, product development, recruiting customers, and marketing. I came away pretty satisfied that they would continue to perform well, I'm not intending to sell my shares any time soon.

>the digital strategy is an attempt to get control of the narrative, they identified the fact that all the web traffic was going to blogs and forums where new (and old) players would meet a lot of negativity and grumbling


So instead of addressing the complaints, they are literally seeking to hide them. So we can look forward to more 'oh wow, I'm so glad they squatted the entire range for my army, I can't wait to pay £50 a model for the TM'd shitty plastic CAD versions designed by a fan of He Man and GI Joe!'

>>55382485
>the digital strategy is an attempt to get control of the narrative
Only part of this I don't like to hear. I hope they aren't quietly deleting criticism on warhammer community.

>>55382780
You are kidding? Did anybody think for a second when they reopened communication with their customers that it would be anything short of China levels of censorship?

>>55382777
>>55382780

The digital marketing side was one of the bits that impressed me the most actually. I know that 'controlling the narrative' sounds a bit, well, controlling, but it makes a lot of sense from a business point of view. The guy in charge of it had some nifty flowcharts, but the essential gist of it was that by abandoning the digital realm and community to other people, GW ended up like a kind of ivory tower, with a lot of the unhappiness being as much to do with their failure to engage as anything else. The noisy grognards who love to complain dominate (there was even one of those at the AGM). They're not being heavy-handed about it (I believe he said that they only deleted 6 out of 34 million comments on their facebook page), but they're finding that the response is overwhelmingly positive. The rumour sites are all collaborating with them a lot, both by directing traffic to warhammer community, and because they contact them before they release a leak now, which is where those jokey follow up marketing releases that came out after a few leaks came from. It's much more engaged and collaborative rather than trying to squash stuff they don't like.

>>55382777
Case in point.
>>55382780
You can't comment on the community site, only on their Facebook page. People tend to complain less if they have their real face next to their name.

>>55382492
>BB
>team per quarter

GOD DAMN! Solid stuff. Was there any whispers what teams may be in the pipeline?

>AoS doing well

YESSSS

Thanks for this OP. I think, interestingly, it may finally be the death knell for my interest in the franchise. Without any rancor or resentment , this post has convinced me that the old, old GW is never coming back to any degree. Not really. It's just camouflage. New GW is just the greedy, incompetent GW of the last decade being run effectively - manipulating its core audiences with admirable efficiency, but still, without a doubt, as dead behind the eyes and creatively bankrupt as it ever was under Kirby. Possibly more so.
*shrug*

>>55382767
do they get profit sharing from the videogames? Or does SEGA/Fatshark get all their money back.

>>55382818
>China levels of censorship?
>I've left several bitter facebook messages and not one of them has been removed
>China
>Censorship
Yeah, nah.

>>55382834

>You can't comment on the community site, only on their Facebook page. People tend to complain less if they have their real face next to their name

True, and I suspect that they're well aware. Also, by keeping a pretty relentless flood of new releases and product teases they can ensure that the hype train has no brakes, giving less opportunity for grumbling to take root. The guy in charge of social and digital media is an outside hire as far as I can tell, he knows his stuff.

>>55382839

No details about teams I'm afraid, but they're sounding pretty committed to continuing support. Much talk about the thinking being long-term on all their product lines.

AoS' sales are growing but they didn't say by how much, they're pretty cagey about specifics.

>>55382767
How many shares do you own and how much dosh did you get then?

>>55382881
Well so long as its growing is all that matters really regarding AoS.

Shame about no BB whispers but I am happy the team gap will be shortened fairly now. Here's hoping for a Deathzone release before Christmas. Thanks man.

>>55382834
Right, any criticism or critique is just negativity. Fucking A. Consume, you pleb.

>>55382692
>Rountree is definitely in the driving seat,
I remember people screaming here that Kirby still ran everything and Rountree was his puppet.
>>55382485
>they identified the fact that all the web traffic was going to blogs and forums where new (and old) players would meet a lot of negativity and grumbling
>finally realized the game was being colored by salty grog cucks who have nothing good to say about anything ever
>do something about it
Bout fucking time.

>>55382858
Supporting specialist games, supporting conversions, and better community focus are all things miles ahead of old GW. GW aren't the kind of company to pass the savings they're making onto the consumer but they've started offering stuff with real savings (See the start collecting boxes) and seem to actually care a lot more about retaining hobbyists, not just getting 12 year olds to buy a £100 kit then dump it. My local GW seems really different since the new CEO took over, I don't get miniatures shoved into my hand whenever I walk in. It's not much, but they're changing for the better.

>>55382858
>Kicked out Kirby
>Ditched his rampant abusive greed
>Giving the audience what they want
>Gorsh Guis! It's just like Kirby guis! They just got double evil guis! Like I'm super cereal guis!

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>>55382858

Its funny actually.

When I read OP's post, I also thought of camouflage, but for the opposite reasoning you came to.

To me it seems that they are taking a track towards a less 'creatively bankrupt' and more 'competent' GW than that of yesteryear. HOWEVER they need to maintain a camouflage that nothing has changed in most aspects as far as the Kirby years go to please the share holders and keep a sense of normalcy. GW has been kicking back dividends for years, don't want anyone (non hobbyist) to think that might stop or slow down.

>>55382897
If you can't be bothered to make a fake facebook account to comment like everyone else your criticism is probably not worth reading.

>>55382473
Well you know, X-wing is still bigger and uhh... Mantic is off the charts thanks to the 5 million disgrunted former fantasy players.
Age of Shitmar will tank any week now.
Warmachine is hot on the heels, GW is increasingly bleeding players to them.
Infinity is stronk, ha ha gw for not having a skirmish game.

>>55382881
>they're pretty cagey about specifics.
Makes sense. Why would tell all your shareholders "<insert game> is succeeding but just barely". That sows the seed of doubt and worry. There is only "It's working" or "It's not, but we know a fool-proof way on how to fix it".

>>55382897
Yes, because the criticisms on this site are worth something?
You are a sterling example of the kind of bitter personality they spoke of; NOTHING will please you, no matter how hard they tried to kowtow to your whims.

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>>55382930


>Makes sense. Why would tell all your shareholders "<insert game> is succeeding but just barely

Quick! Someone go tell AoS general that their game is

>barely succeeding

This anon has cracked some kind of code!

>>55382929

Hehe, when I was last paying attention to the community (2-3 years ago) all the points here were actually serious ones, and seemingly accepted as fact by most. Nice to see them be meme status now.

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>>55382858
>>55382914

This, but in less words. Ridiculous how much of a dividend gravy train GW is for Kirby personally.

Been saying it for a while now, GW have clearly re-aimed at their core market of the most loyal customers very well.

It leaves the rest of us out in the dark, but it's a sound strategy, so fair play to them. I just wish they'd stop mutilating the old Specialist Games for a quick buck, "but bro you can just use the old rules and new minis" is frequently uttered but doesn't do much for already well-established communities.

>>55382485
>>they hired a marketing team about 18 months ago
wut

>>55382858

I think you're being a bit harsh, GW hasn't been the kind of independent group of a few mates since Kirby took over in 1991 or something. They're a business, they exist to make profit, but the new approach very much recognises that the best way to do that is by pleasing the customers, and there's no more of the talk about them not being a games company, or marketing being 'otiose in a niche'. Rountree at least talks about it being a team effort, and that he's in charge of overall strategy rather than the minutiae, with the design guys fairly happy that they're getting to pursue their projects.

>>55382906

They're also doing a lot of profit share for staff - every employee got a £2000 bonus (the same for all employees, no big management payouts). Store managers also get to keep 20% of any increase in profits that they generate, so in a year when sales are up nearly a third in cash terms, you can bet that they're going to be a lot less stressed about hitting targets. That said, the financial team are still happy to close down unprofitable outlets without hesitation.

>>55382914

The shareholders are all very pleased, and from the sounds of things they haven't been in previous AGMs. Some of the more vocal grumblig was still about community support and the like, so I wouldn't worry that they (I should probably say 'we') would have an issue with anything about the new approach. A lot of what they're doing is very sensible from any point of view, I think Kirby was at war with the shareholders as much as he was with the customers and staff. The dividend is here to stay though - they're investing a lot, but they see it as important to pay out excess cash to shareholders and not to hoard it or splurge it. They're not going to take out loans or go on a spending spree of buying up other companies, the growth agenda is very much about in-house considered investment with a long-term view.

>>55382965
I didn't imply AoS is doing badly. I was just remarking on how it's really counterproductive for a business to ever publicly say that one of its products that tons of people have invested in is doing badly in any way. If they ever do, it's either ina way that implies its temporary and they have the strictest measures to fix it, or they'll outright lie.

>they want to bring more women into the hobby
Plastic Sisters of Battl..more Tyranids

>>55382967

>This, but in less words

Editors are expensive man.

>>55382929
>Mantic is off the charts thanks to the 5 million disgrunted former fantasy players

>I made up some numbers because I'm mad

>>55382929
>Age of Shitmar will tank any week now.

2 and a half years later, and you still can't accept the truth.

Sad!

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>>55382858

Its almost like they are a buisness Anon, they exist to make money.

They are not your friends. Its just good business.

>>55382858
>the greedy competent GW but being run effectively

So just greedy? Like any company with a near-monopoly on the market? What a shocker.

>>55382883

I won't go into excessive detail out of a paranoia that I'll wind up being identified by them and that might cause me problems if I decide to go to the next one (there were only a handful of people under 50 there), but I bought my shares in multiple chunks. They're worth more than double what I put in overall, leaving me up by a five figure sum (plus another 20% odd in dividends) but of course I haven't actually made that money until I sell the things.

>>55382967

>I just wish they'd stop mutilating the old Specialist Games for a quick buck

As far as they're concerned the rereleases of specialist games have been a massive success. and most of the playerbase (old and new) thinks the same.

>>55382858
>old, old GW
How old?
You mean old, as in the first few guys were some metalheads in their basement with an idea to rip off 2000AD?
Because that died back in 1990.
What you are probly talking about is when Kirby took over and 3/4e was released and damn near sunk the company. But faggots like you masturbate to those times, despite how shit they were, because your nostalgia is so strong.

>>55382967
>. I just wish they'd stop mutilating the old Specialist Games for a quick buck
And what exactly do you want, anon?
The same thing as a decade and more ago?

>>55382861
Depends on the deal you make with them. They roughly have 2 options. Either a % profit split, or an upfront fee. Or at least that was how it worked 2 years ago, but the same people are still on that team so.

I've heard through the grapevine that they earn a fuckload of money on those licensing deals, especially considering the size of that department (only 2 people at the time)

>>55383059

>most of the playerbase (old and new) thinks the same.

Casual players maybe, the core GW loyalists I previously described.

The actual Blood Bowl community is still using the free Community rules pack, since the GW release is basically that copy-pasted into seperate £20 "season" volumes, typos and all. There's an air of it all being a bit lazy when they had a decent opportunity.

>>55383059
that's alright but fuckin' A that's nice. five figure sum. Assuming the lowest (10K), you got 2K in dividends right in your pocket basically free of charge. Eventually it pays for itself.

So you'd recommend investing in them? Could use the money.

>>55383063
I would imagine he means old enough that WD ran articles on things for interest and fun, rather than sales.

>>55383105
12 years ago then.

>>55383114
lol no

>>55383085
Speak for yourself. As someone who participated in the full NAF tournament, I am delighted with their rules. Besides 99% of it is the same besides the PO and money rules.

>>55382858
And I won't miss overly nostalgic fags like you. Who can't ever be pleased since that dream you have only exists in your brain.

>>55383091

Barring some kind of unexpected disaster, I can't see the share price going anywhere but up following the next half-year and annual reports. We're not going to see the kind of quadrupling of value that's happened over the last year (unless 8th is selling really, really, mind-shatteringly well), but another 20% or more might not be out of the picture. My dividends are helped somewhat by the fact that the shares are up in value a lot, so they're big relative to what I paid for them. That said, they're big on paying out dividends, and cautious about spending, so that extra money they're making has to go somewhere. I'm pretty tempted to go and put in another spare five grand I have sitting around. That's just my opinion though. To sound a bit patronising, shares can go down as well as up. Don't go putting money in if you can't afford to lose some of it.

>>55383105
So never? When WD became the GW magazine it became a magazine to eventually drive sales. Also all those articles all you fags are being nostalgic over. IT WAS ALL TO SELL TOYS

>>55383130

>As someone who participated in the full NAF tournament
>the full NAF tournament

What? Where in the world was that one?

How can you be "delighted" when all they've done is copy-paste stuff into books you have to pay for, and add a few poorly-written League rules and some odd individual changes? Except they even half-assed that since they left in mistakes that were errata'd in the back of the community rulebook.

>>55383173
Nottingham, was 2014. Was great fun.

I am delighted that they have kept the integrity of the rules. My biggest fear was that they'd bastardize it to make it more "fun". Instead we get 2016 support to reintroduce new people to the game we all love while not bastardizing how it plays. You belong to the demograph of people they can't satisfy.

If they changed it you would complain, if they kept it as is, you complain. New Miniature support too is brill.

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>>55383169

I get the feeling you don't know much about the history of White Dwarf. Though it and Owl & Weasel did start out at trade leaflets, it hasn't been that simple all along.

If it was purely to shift GW's stock, why would they bother to properly review TSR and others products GW was importing, at times saying it wasn't worth buying? They even gave GW games middling or bad reviews at times.

Even later on in the 90's and 00's they might suggest making terrain from items found at a crafts store and not them.

>>55383168
Well,considering I have 5.4K euros total to my name, I don't think it's wise. I'm barely scraping by trying to get work in my fields, thought investing might be a good way to make some cash seeing as it's stable company. I can't afford to lose any of it, not right now anyway.

>>55383229

Yeah, I'd be cautious about investing that, though it depends on your appetite for risk. Shares aren't great if you might need to pull the money out at short notice. The problem you have is that anything you might put that into which could generate a return worth paying attention to also runs the risk of creating a loss that you'd certainly notice.

It'd be nice if they brought back Epic

>>55383219

Ah yeah, NAF Championships, one of the majors. I wanted to go the the World Cup but couldn't get the time off.

>You belong to the demograph of people they can't satisfy.

Not really, I just think if they weren't so cynical it could have been a better release, and the NAF would have shifted over to BB2016 seamlessly.

>one rulebook, sure copy-paste a bunch of the core mechanics but actually bother to change the rules that were errata'd
>actually work on the rules that have always been controversial like Bank/Treasury instead of ignoring them and adding random shit like Drafts and Weeping Daggers
>don't bother with limited availability pitches, cards, star players which affect the completeness of the rulebook. Sure, do dice packs if you want that DLC-style money
>miniatures actually available in typical team compositions rather than sprues with 8 Linemen, 2 "positional X" and 2 "positional Y"

>>55383292
Yeah I'm not much of a betting guy. Pretty skittish when it comes to such gambles, so it's not for me. Good luck though mate, hope it works out well for you and thank you for the interesting thread.

>>55382477
>prices aren't dropping any time soon
No surpreises there.

>>55383353
Ah then my apologies for the assumption. I will agree on the team composition and the team mini packs, that should have been addressed.

>weren't so cynical

I don't know what you're implying. I read the little WD snippit and the people working on the new BB2016 made it a point to make the game almost unchanged because they knew it worked.

How can they be cynical about it? How can you be cynical about a release? Its certainly not half hearted.

Bank/Treasury was addressed with the "Serious mistakes" rule. Which in a way is technically more unforgiving but how and ever.

>>55383421

It's not the designers, Andy Hoare seems like a really nice guy and is active on all sorts of forums, it's just you know they're being pushed into certain release practices, like the season books to generate more money. It's not as bad as 7th ed 40k with all the various supplements to keep track of, but I don't think it does a smaller game like BB much favours.

I understand why, and at the end of the day we are all still playing Blood Bowl, it's just with Necromunda looming and the main set looking more like a board game, whilst the actual 3d skirmish game will be day-one DLC in a separate book, it's not encouraging.

>>55382492
Thanks OP!

>>55382777
Man, you sound like a perfect brand ambassador that would recruit thousands of new players.

>>55383226
I miss the terrain tutorials a ton. It was great when White Dwarf wasn't just an ad.

>>55382830
Basically, GW went from open contempt of customer sentiment to giving about 1 millifuck. It's broadly good for customers.

>>55382492
I don't remember where but some anon previously mentioned something about GW planning future support for SW:A. Any word about that here?

>>55382881
>AoS' sales are growing but they didn't say by how much, they're pretty cagey about specifics.

Probably means it's a technical success only. They already burned their bridges with Fantasy's core buyers, and worse, TWW means they have no incentive to compromise.

I really wonder how much of the AoS sales are for 40k kitbashes. Speaking locally, I've never seen AoS since launch save in 40k armies.

>>55383760
I see small amounts of old fantasy and occasionally a kid with stormcast, but i've seen a fair few orks with the scrap meganob orrukk things. Even heresy outnumbers sigmar by three or four times, and all sigmar players do 40k too

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>>55382477
>trade (FLGSs) is more profitable than retail (GW stores), but the latter is more important for recruitment. They intend to do more to support both

This isn't surprising. Every LGS I've been to has had better prices, and more actual support for the game than the GW stores. (Decent amount of terrain provided/better tables/more room, etc.) The only thing the GW store does better is that they have more GW product.

>they want to bring more women into the hobby, but don't want to alienate the existing playerbase while doing so, it is something they're aware of (but no details as yet)
"We want to bring more women, but don't wish to get rid of the neckbeards." Really they just need to make better models and make the stores a more friendly environment.

>necromunda will have better support from the get go, they want to get more of the gangs out at release or shortly thereafter and have future plastics more planned out

Hopefully they do some actual testing instead of pushing it out horribly like Shadow War.

>>55382473
any mention on squating legacy models/armies?

[citaion needed]

>>55383887
>Really they just need to make better models and make the stores a more friendly environment.
I have a feeling they'll get better if they lower down the aggressive sales pitches or even just stop approaching people who come in . Just stay behind the counter or continue what you're doing, if the person wants to engage, they will ask you. Considering most if not all shops are headed by dudes and sometimes neckbeards, it can come off as a bit rapey to have dudes throw themselves on you if you're a woman. To those who don't know of GW's fame for insistent employees (ie: newbies), might give off the "holy shit this nerd hasn't seen a woman in here for decades, this is no man's land for anything with a vagina, let's vamos".

Stop invading people's personal space and engaging them in general and that might do wonders. I'm a guy and even I feel a bit vulnerable being asked what I'm doing there or looking for, like an interrogation. "Oh wow you're just looking around huh? Well maybe I can help you, have you heard of blah blah blah" and goes on for half an hour. Can't be a cunt, he's being nice and it's his job.

>>55383527

Think of it this way - in order for GW to consider a product to be worth supporting it has to generate profits. You may not like that, but they're a business first and foremost.

>>55383887

The distinction is less to do with atmosphere or per-unit pricing, the average LGS sells a tenth of the GW product that the average GW store shifts, but the fact that running a physical location is expensive in a way that distributing product is not. If GW ships £1000 of product to trade then that £100 only need cover production costs and contains a hefty slab of profit. £1000 of product sold in-store will mostly go towards paying for rent and staffing. LGSs have income streams from other systems like MtG, X-Wing, etc to cover the rent (and it doesn't impact GW if the LGS is only just breaking even or losing money), GW locations do not.

>>55382485
>>the digital strategy is an attempt to get control of the narrative, they identified the fact that all the web traffic was going to blogs and forums where new (and old) players would meet a lot of negativity and grumbling
Thank god

This was the most irritating shit as a consumer

>>55382858
nostalgiafag BTFO

You know, honestly I can't work up any excitement for AoS. Everything that comes out of that line looks like garbage. 40k looks interesting enough, but not enough for me to hop back in. If GW is making money, good on them, but I've long since resigned myself that I will have to look somewhere else for a good fantasy game.

>>55382477
>they want to bring more women into the hobby

Good fucking luck, most women hate shit that requires any actual effort, even the ones I know that like the settings and models are like "b-b-but painting is hard..." and "I don't have the p-p-patience..." or "I'm b-b-bad at it..."

The exception being turbo-autists and trannies like curzefag.

>>55384079

This is a sarcastic post, right?

>>55384289
If you want to learn about a product then you don't want the internet to keep sending you to blogs made by grognards that are irrationally angry and shitpost nonstop

>>55384268
I like the dwarf pirates but I hate the AoS rules. If they had the same rules as 40k I'd play AoS as well.

>>55384268
I want to push around regiments of dudes like in WFB so Sigmar will never interest me.

I already play several skirmish games.

>>55382894
>Well so long as its growing is all that matters really regarding AoS
Do you really believe they would say "nah, it's not really growing, we may have to squat it"? Without numbers they can say what they want

>>55384307
>If you want to learn about a product then you don't want the internet to keep sending you to blogs made by grognards that are irrationally angry and shitpost nonstop
Yeah instead of it you need to go into pre-moderate (((OFFICIAL))) forum

>>55384275
Kinda have to agree. I know there's lots of girls into these hobbies but from what I see around the net or from personal experience, they tend to share certain traits that make them ... off. Undateable from any sane non-thirsty male.

This isn't to say other non-neckbeardy hobbies breed better types of women, we're all one big gaggle of fucked up humans in general regardless, but this is what's under the microscope.

>>55384368

That's the point though, the only forum they've got going is facebook comments, and they're doing very little moderation. GW's engagement through warhammer community is streets ahead of what it was, and everybody can leave the salty grogs to argue amongst themselves instead of spreading their shit over everything.

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>>55384275
>that requires any actual effort
Nah, all what you need is...

>>55384368
I would rather get some information besides the circlejerk echo chamber of nostalgiafags

>>55384419
The only normal or attractive women are introduced into the hobby by their boyfriends.

They then leave if they break up.

>>55384430
>and they're doing very little moderation.
They really moderate everythin what isn't blind dicksucking or neutral questions,
Not to mentions their site

>>55384275
>turbo-autists and trannies

I dont see your problem

>>55384435
>I would rather get some information besides the circlejerk echo chamber of nostalgiafags
Then what about neutral sites?

>>55384482
Such as?

>>55384486
reddit/r/warhammer40k is pretty friendly.

>>55384486
>Such as?
Such as /tg/, outside generals.

>>55384365
No but they certainly would say "We not as pleased with AoS performance as we would like" or something sugarcoaty like that. They're happy with it, so it's doing good. Also its still doing better than WHFB had been doing so, that's good enough for me and others who have moved on from Fantasy to AoS.

>>55384532
>source: my ass

>>55384443
Pretty much. In my club there's 2 or 3 couples, mostly the "ruling council" of sorts/landlords. They're mostly into boardgames and one is really into Lovecraft stuff (girls seem to really be into that shit).

The Cthulhu girl has a sister who is cute as hell and seems to be like 26+ and perpetually single. I don't know much about her but even the neckbeards seem to have friendzoned her. I'm really curious why.

>>55383040
Lel GW doesn't have a monopoly anymore. They aren't even #1 anymore.

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>>55382777

>>55382477

when they say new stores to North America, do they mean new stores in more remote parts of the continent or doubling up on the large cities? Because basically there is ONE fucking store in most major Canadian cities. We could use more and BIGGER stores in places like Calgary and Vancouver.

There used to be like 5 stores in Vancouver alone.

>>55384532
>"We not as pleased with AoS performance as we would like"
Said no company ever

>>55384307
>>55384079

>This was the most irritating shit as a consumer
>as a consumer

Jesus, is this what being braindead looks like?

I don't think I've ever really seen one of these mythical hateblogs, if anything places like Beasts of War and Bell of Lost Souls have barely anything critical to say about games, GW or not; it's just "look more shinies".

>>55384532
>No but they certainly would say "We not as pleased with AoS performance as we would like"
Even when WHFB fell out of the top 5 biggest miniature wargames in sales they didn't say that about it. Don't expect them to sugarcoat less for a game they pretend to support.

>>55384618
>I don't think I've ever really seen one of these mythical hateblogs
You're in one

Are you blind?

Something that confuses me from a financial standpoint is: how is AOS expected to survive in the long term if it is just an inferior version of 8th edition 40k? Epic was killed because it could suck players away from 40k as the scope of that game kept bloating, so what saves AOS? This next bit of info is purely anecdotal so feel free to ignore, but there has not been a single AOS game played in my LGS since 8th hit.

Why would you produce two 28mm "skirmish" games with almost carbon copy rules except one is earlier and significantly less polished? Why?

>>55384689
It's a soft squatting of their entire fantasy line. 8th edition being a success was the nail in the coffin

>>55384689
>how is AOS expected to survive in the long term if it is just an inferior version of 8th edition 40k?

This is the most ignorant thing I've read all day

Congratulations

>>55384689
>how is AOS expected to survive in the long term if it is just an inferior version of 8th edition 40k?
IMO AoS niches are now:
1) eternal beta-server of 40k
2) game for 40k players who got tired from 40k

>>55384713
3) Some people like fantasy and not science fiction

>>55384709
>This is the most ignorant thing I've read all day
But he is right, 8th edition literally stole away the whole post-GHB niche from AoS

>>55384709
I assume you've played AOS then and haven't just read the rules for it, can you explain?

>>55384689
I think they will eventually treat age of sigmar like they treat horus heresy and focus 95% on 40K.

But I also think they will relaunch WFB in some small way so don't mind me.

>>55383085
>BloodBowl
>the GW release is basically that copy-pasted into seperate £20 "season" volumes, typos and all.
I've heard this a couple of times.
Is it really true?

>>55383353
>sprues with 8 Linemen, 2 "positional X" and 2 "positional Y"
I've heard many people say you need at .east. two squad boxes to make a squad you would actually play.
That's just retarded.

>>55383527
>Necromunda
>the actual 3d skirmish game will be day-one DLC in a separate book,
u fukkn wat?
Seriously?

>>55384713
What about some ex fantasy players who were fed up with 8th editions obnoxious entry cost and are happy to go into the new system without selling your house?

>>55382477
>they want there to constantly be something new for players to buy rather than them waiting for months on end
And yet the over a decade wait for a new plastic IG regiment or plastic sisters has no signs of stopping any time soon and so my not buying anything from GW will continue.

>>55384729
>3) Some people like fantasy and not science fiction
They have cheaper alternative (WoW subscription)
>>55384736
They have better alternative (older edition, especially 6th edition with shitton of stuff like SotC campaign)

>>55384736
>fantasy players
>AoS
jej

Fantasy grogs just play KoW or 6th ed or t9a

>>55384757
Do you seriously think that an MMORPG is a suitable replacement for a tabletop strategy game?

You are really fucking stupid

>>55384729
>AoS
>fantasy

>>55384618
>places like Beasts of War and Bell of Lost Souls have barely anything critical to say about games, GW or not; it's just "look more shinies".
The worst kind of news sites.
Simultaneously the best, as it's not overly editorialised.

Whre do folks get their (general, not GW-specific) industry news from?

>>55384773
Where we talked about
>tabletop strategy game
???
AoS is more like interactive dioramma

>>55384802
high fantasy is still fantasy

>>55384815
The lord of the rings is High Fantasy, AoS is not

>>55384809
wew epic post lad XD +1 ive never heard anyone insult AOS before what an original idea!!!

That all sounds pretty positive. I'm not sure how they're going to reduce cost of entry without reducing miniature prices.

I'm very glad to hear they are conscious of not alienating their player base re: trying to get girls I to the hobby. I will drop this series like a hot turd if they turn SJW. And I say that as someone who has bought literally thousands of dollars of warhammer in the past financial year.

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>>55384824
>LOTR
>High Fantasy
You don't know what high fantasy is

>>55384734

Yeah as mentioned they copy-pasted rules from the CRP, but didn't bother to realise that some were also errata'd in the back of the book.

The Necromunda thing is absolutely confirmed, and the new "3d" skirmish rules are being derived from 8th edition 40k rather than being based on 2nd edition like the original (and Shadow War).

Not hopeful, the miniatures look ridiculous too, and not in a pleasant way.

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>>55384843
Are you retarded?

Also that looks nothing like fantasy, at all

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>>55384837
>I'm not sure how they're going to reduce cost of entry without reducing miniature prices.
Probably through bundles like the start collecting boxes

In some cases they are actually dropping prices, like the fyreslayer start collecting. The magmadroth kit in the box used to be $135 CAD, now its $100 for the whole box

>>55384843

Holy shit you are dense

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High_fantasy

>The works of J. R. R. Tolkien—especially The Lord of the Rings—are regarded as archetypal works of high fantasy.

>sales up across the board

Doesn't that mean they murdered Fantasy for no reason?

>>55384843

>LOTR isn't high fantasy

>you

Are you retarded?

>>55384837
>I will drop this series like a hot turd if they turn SJW. And I say that as someone who has bought literally thousands of dollars of warhammer in the past financial year.

I really don't understand people who are so insistent on making their hobbies political like this.

Like people who hate Eclipse Phase because they suck off Lefty ideologies.

Noone is going to force you to play Rainbowmarines if they come out with them

Just ignore those bits if you don't like it.
Why does everyone here have to be so autistic?

>>55384843
Go back to your MOBAs dude, you clearly don't know what you're talking about

>>55384886
>>55384895
>>55384910
A definition from a 1971 essay is not relevant any more. Times change. Welcome to the present.

The definition of high fantasy changed a while ago since the genre has evolved past "dirty peasan manlets fight orcs with the help of elves and sometimes there's a dragon"

Also
>wikipedia

>>55384689
Well it would work if it were fantasy skirmish with something closer to 40k rules that didn't involve a shit ton of math, but they killed the fantasy side in favor of their donut-steel setting, and push nothing but big kits and ogre sized miniatures that look like hot garbage.

>>55384603
There's only one GW in my area, and it's in the worst possible location.

They need one on the north side (move the current one so it's no longer in the ghetto) and one on the south side of Indianapolis.

>>55384827
Where it was insulting?
>>55384907
Nope, it means that all what they've need to fix their finances is launch more than 1 year of regular Space Marines releases.

>>55384920

>I'm clearly wrong, better dig in

Please never breed, if you get the opportunity.

>>55384920
You don't even know how to read:
Gardner Dozois, "Introduction" to Modern Classics of Fantasy. New York : St. Martin's Press, 1997. (xvi-xvii) ISBN 031215173X

>>55384881
The gangs look unpleasantly same-y internally, which is pretty upsetting.

The Goliaths you expect, but the Escher are supposed to be catwalk extreme, not a fucking valley girl clique but with skulls.

>>55384907
Depending on how they are measuring it:
No you dolt, it means AoS is selling fine.
Or
No you dolt, it means AoS has grown from $0 to $some, but that doesn't change the fact that WHFB was dedgaem sales-wise.

>>55384914
>I really don't understand people who are so insistent on making their hobbies political like this.
It's the other way round bro. I would drop it IF it became political. It just so happens though that nearly 100% of the time it's US identity politics that is seeping into otherwise non political mediums at the moment.

I play games to escape the real world, not have it thrown in my face.

Furthermore, the current leftist dogma paints me, the straight white catholic male, as literally Hitler, so yes I will definitely stop purchasing products that support that ideology.

Sounds like the GW employees are onto it though. They've seen what's happened in gaming, I would wager, and realise how wrong it can go.

>>55384961
>The term "high fantasy" was coined by Lloyd Alexander in a 1971 essay, "High Fantasy and Heroic Romance"
Read your own links you dumbass

>>55384914
Currently GW is not producing any products to support either political ideology. Any change in that would just be another corporation bowing to leftist dogma.

>>55384968
>No you dolt, it means AoS has grown from $0 to $some, but that doesn't change the fact that WHFB was dedgaem sales-wise.
Gee I wonder who designed 8th edition and prices

>>55384981
But you can ignore the politics.
Just don't buy the Rainbowmarines.

Even if GW put politics into their game (spoilers: it's already there, they just don't push it like they used to) you don't have to go out of your way to acknowledge it.

Why is that a problem?

I'm not even touching:
>Furthermore, the current leftist dogma paints me, the straight white catholic male, as literally Hitler,

>>55384992
Oh god
Yeah the term was coined in 1971, but the essay in that link that used it to describe Tolkien's works was written in 1997
For example, the term idiot was coined many centuries ago but I'm using it to describe you now

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>>55385017
>Currently GW is not producing any products to support either political ideology.

>>55382929

There are people dumb enough to think this post is not sarcasm.

>>55385029
Wow, thanks for ruining the general with your shit bait.

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>>55385017

GW used to make Pygmies, when they stopped was that enough "bowing to leftist dogma" to make you throw your man toys away?

>>55384275

>even the ones I know

Your mom, and...?

>>55382477
>>they want to bring more women into the hobby, but don't want to alienate the existing playerbase while doing so, it is something they're aware of (but no details as yet)

I hope this means plastic SoB. And I'd welcome some more female models in guard and such. I don't need Infinity or Kingdom Death style pinups. Some cool female soldiers works.

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>>55385017
>>55385038

>For example, the term idiot was coined many centuries ago but I'm using it to describe you now

>>55384757

>They have cheaper alternative (WoW subscription)

Are you a fucking retard?

>>55385029
>But you can ignore the politics.
>just don't buy the rainbowmarines
Except this is a game where you play with other people. So you go to the store and politics are then shoved in your face. You can't ignore the politics once it is in the game, that's the point.

>>55385041
Don't remind me.

>>55384968
>but that doesn't change the fact that WHFB was dedgaem sales-wise
Because there hasn't been any good release for it model-wise or rule-wise since 2007.

What Roundtree has shown is that a good ruleset and good minis could make 40k good as new if they listen to their customer. However the meagre success of aos despite the huge marketing behind show that ivory tower design doesn't work.

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>>55385070
Where does everyone get that we want Sisters of Battle? It seems like everyone just pulls that out of their bum as an excuse for plastic sisters.

I wouldn't mind more women guard models. It doesn't have to be a full regiment, but having at least 1-2 out of the 10 troops in a box would be nice.

>>55382989
>>they want to bring more women into the hobby
>Plastic Sisters of Battl..more Tyranids
Nah, make eldar actually pretty. Maybe exodites riding actual dragons. Girls will eat that up.

>>55385121
I would very much like some SoB. I like their christian symbolism and want an army of fanatical chicks at my disposal.

Unfortunately current GW seems hell bent on making all female models fat. I showed my wife the clan Escher models from the new necromunda and she was like "why are they all so overweight?".

>>55385041
That's not even a black man, is literally a white dude with black skin

>>55385041
>>55385108


Wait wait wait wait wait.

Are we upset about some different skin tones being painted on AoS minis?

Hoooly shit. Thats rich.

>>55384888
This and the Seraphon box are such fucking amazing value for money. Bigass beast that costs, individually, the same or more than the entire box with a shitload of extra free minis. I've been pondering getting both just to paint up.

>>55385125
Or just admit that maybe playing with plastic army men is not now, nor was it ever, women's thing.

H.G. Wells' first miniature gaming book from the 19th century talks about it in the first fucking chapter about how the women didn't understand his game and were annoyed by it.

>>55385051
Hey, he >>55384837 started it.

>>55385096
You would be that triggered by the rare occurrence of seeing a girlmarine or black spaceviking?
If you suspect your opponent is a leftard but don't want your game ruined by politics, just don't engage them in political discussion.

I get the impression from some people that they are as easily triggered by toy soldier-related issues as SJWs are by everything.

>>55385167
It's a step towards damnation brother. The Codex Astartes is very clear on this matter.

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>>55385167
>skin tones being painted
What about being sculpted?
What about gender-neutral poster-army?

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>>55385156
I showed my wife the clan Escher models from the new necromunda and she was like "why are they all so overweight?".

I thought the same thing! Like, some of them look muscular but most of them just look fat. Also, why is there absolutely no variances in their body type? All the models have the same chubby-ish look.

Greyfax wasn't bad if you replace her head.

>>55385183
>First, they came for my Space Marines, and I said nothing.

>>55385195
That image
Saved

>>55384888
>$100
>13 models

I know one of them is (unnecessarily) big, but come on.

>>55385195
Yeah it's really annoying. She's always maintained a healthy disinterest in wargaming and I would like to rope her into more games with some chick models, but legit, she doesn't want to play as fat chicks. Her words.

>>55385213
Or they'll have it be like Abberants and only have them available in one special box set.

>>55385195
My wife likes Rubric Marines. I asked her why and she said it was because of the pretty hats. She hates my Death Guard, doesn't even want to look at them.

>>55385190

Ah, slippery slope argument.

Use that one a lot I bet?

Have fun being afraid that some Khorne warriors look like they spend more time in the sun than others.

BE AFRAID!

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>>$100
>>13 models
Meanwhile

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>>55385284
>Ah, slippery slope argument.
>slippery slope
Not even close m8.
>>55384432
this guys are SCULPTED with negroid skull.
Go on, defend it, like obidient drone (or shill, actually I don't care much)

>>55385283
Yeah my wife is scared of the death guard. I guess they're effectively terrifying. She sort of liked the look of dark eldar and genestealer cultists. So I guess she's secretly into bdsm and raising insidious monsters.

>>55385294
>Preassembled.
Get the fuck out of my face.

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>>55385376
>raising insidious monsters
Alien impregnation is actually a fetish

>>55385359
Wrong pic

>>55385294
Man I really wish I liked game of thrones

>>55385294
>Preassembled monopose miniatures you can mostly use in one game vs larger, more detailed multi-part miniatures you can convert out the ass and use in a shitload of games

>>55385414
>Alien impregnation is actually a fetish
Fugggg

>>55385038
>For example, the term idiot was coined many centuries ago but I'm using it to describe you now

Lol AoSfag btfo

>>55382580

You're sorely mistaken if you think Tom Kirby isn't still in control.

Source: I work for GW as a store manager.

If they want to attract chicks, they need to cross pollinate stuff with chick interests, so certain flavors of anime, sparkly vampires, etc. Female characters need to appeal to female power fantasies, not this nuns with guns, dudes with boobs, total bitches, or the female spell caster.

>>55382477
>Getting women into the hobb
I'm all for more players but I have a very bad feeling they are gonna marvel this bitch....

>>55382492
>Won't provide figures
That means it's not doing as well as they thought it would have

>>55385413
>implying monopose is better

>>55385505
>they want to attract chicks, they need to cross pollinate stuff with chick interests, so certain flavors of anime, sparkly vampires, etc.
Or BBC>>55384432

>>55385567
You realise most women find black men disgusting right?

Take your racist homosexual fetish elsewhere

>>55382477
>efforts are being made to reduce the price point and make joining the game easier
>prices aren't dropping any time soon
nigga what

>>55385442
>modern GW
>multipart

>and use in a shitload of games
Such as..?

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>>55385442

>more detailed multi-part miniatures you can convert out the ass and use in a shitload of games

Only problem is GW is now going back to effectively monopose miniatures, since the way they cut the sprues means you aren't gluing legs onto torsos any more, but half the shoulder, front and left leg or whatever daft shit.

Makes them look more dynamic but when everyone has the exact same pose in their army it's a bit dull.

>>55385586
>You realise most women find black men disgusting right?
You realise that it's now main western political agenda and GW are gladly to fullfill their part in the eyes of Council of Thirteen?

>>55383059
>I won't go into excessive detail

>goes into excessive detail

we know who you are, Sam

>>55384981
>How can I turn someone else's upset over their oppression into being about me?

>>55384275

This.

I don't see why they need to. If they're after a new revenue stream then bringing women into the fold isn't going to bring in massive numbers.

Sure, the autists and trannies might spend every penny on plastic toys, but your average (sane) fangirl? A starter set and a few paints maybe. If that.

Theres a reason demographics in tabletop/RPGs haven't changed over the years.

>>55385692
It's a shitty balancing act. You can't just drop prices significantly because then no one buys at all expecting further price decreases, and you generate a lot of bad blood from people who just bought. You have to do things kind of obtuse like, like releasing start collecting boxes at a cheaper price and leaving them there for a while before dropping prices later on the individual components under the flag of just brining them in line with the box set you could already buy them in.

Similarly, they would rather run a price discrimination model where they can release a new kit for a lot of money, let anyone who wants to pay full price, and then start bundling it and dropping prices a year or two down the road.

>>55385714
I have heard rumors from my store owner gw is going all monopose which is fucking aweful. Their models used to be easy as shit to subassemble and paint, but now. Just try and put a varanguard together, holy fuck way over designed >>55385782
This guy speaks the truth

>>55385782
Horse shit. I see tons of women in the table top hobby. Typically not wargames because this shit has been hupermasculine for years. Women don't play, so we won't worry about appealing to women, and then women don't play because no one makes anything they like.

>>55385553
Well no, but at least you don't have to slide the brush under overhanging arms from behid to get paint to where you need it.
Drives me up teh fucking wall when pre-assembled stuff is rendered unpaintable due to overhangs.

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>>55385714
>Makes them look more dynamic
>GW went a full turh-scale with Primaris
>g-g-g-guise we are better than Infinity

>>55385872
Because what they like will piss off the majority of the fan base you moron. You don't market to a minority opinion or market that will piss off the majority.

Marvel tried that with their comics and guess what, their sales are in the shitter so bad they are dumping the SJW theme and going back to the original stories .

>>55385878
>from behid to get paint to where you need it.
Unlike GW models, all true scale models doesn't requires you to imitate light-effects lots of times, just paint base colour adn then use dark wash.

>ITT, single white neckbeards discuss diversity and what women want from their hobby

>>55385990
Which does nothing to address the issue of not being able ro reach areas of the model with a paintbrush to apply said base colour.

>>55385907
Too bad GW fails to deliver that level of details

>>55386220
>issue of not being able ro reach areas of the model with a paintbrush to apply said base colour.
Are you a handless?

>>55385961
Marvel fucked up because they went full left wing diversity quotas and dump books regularly. I'm not suggesting anyone go full SJW mode, but it's not a huge stretch to say "hey, maybe make the vampires a bit more handsome instead of got-your-nose Vlad or the caped badly." Maybe toss in a Joan of Arc equivalent, maybe some Dr. Who-like Witch Hunter who is simultaneously charming and friendly, but also single. Play up some handsome skin wolves instead of these "chew on your face" varghulfs.

>>55385961
>Because what they like will piss off the majority of the fan base you moron. You don't market to a minority opinion or market that will piss off the majority.
How the fuck it will piss of kids?

>>55385038
>For example, the term idiot was coined many centuries ago but I'm using it to describe you now
keke

>>55385232
give her a bunch of howling banshees.

>>55386483
What you people say is kinda interesting to me. Girls I know that play(or used to play) WH40k mostly enjoyed stuff like Orcs or Tyranids. Gals that I know from other wargames(Infinity, Malifaux) also tend to go for more inhuman stuff. This is purely anecdotal of course

>>55382858
Do you really think GW would survive as a company if it still focused on making models out of old used deoderant canisters?

>>55382485
>the digital strategy is an attempt to get control of the narrative
The holy order of the GW inquisition?

>>55385712
Such as any you can come up with. Convertible parts can be made into anything, your only barrier is effort. How many games can you use generic unstylized knights or swordsmen in armour? D&D at best.

Of course some ranges are better than others. Bretonnia f.ex can be used for historic wargames too, space marines can't (unless it's MK3 armour and you modify them to look like knights or statues.

>>55385714
Only for characters and certain boxes. Even the Primaris boxes are multipart.

>>55386218
>implying I don't know exactly why my gf doesn't like wargames
No cooperation

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>>55386544

Not him, but I don't think they ever "focused" on that, but admitted that kind of thing existed.

Now even as "nuGW" they can't bring themselves to mention non-Realm of Battle™ Citadel terrain or tools.

Noticeably even most of the artwork now has to depict plastic miniatures you can buy, and really suffers for it.

>>55386661
>How many games can you use generic unstylized knights or swordsmen in armour? D&D at best.
WHFB, Mordheim, Frostgrave, Saga and KoW come to my mind

>>55386293
they could also resculpt some of the older tyranid line and rebox the stupid overpriced kirby era models to be a better value (warriors especially). Also rewrite the store descriptions for stuff like the pods or trygons to better mention who they "swallow their prey whole" and whatever

and while they are at it have some female GSC models

>>55386661
>Such as any you can come up with
Other GW games at best?

>>55386661

Not him but that's a pretty poor answer.

Why even bother with buying overpriced GW kits for singles when Reaper and Hasslefree amongst others exist?

>Brettonia for historicals when they're fat-headed and fat-handed, not to mention OOP or not far off

>>55385294
I will totally make a KoW army out of this.

>>55386661
>Such as any you can come up with.
Nope, name anyone.
>realistic armor
>generic
Also
>AoS
>stylized knights

>>55385692

Not dropping the per-miniature prices, but introducing a wider range of starter sets so that people don't have to spend a fortune out of the gate in order to start playing. This is what they mean:

>https://www.games-workshop.com/en-GB/40k-first-strike-2017-ENG
>https://www.games-workshop.com/en-GB/40k-know-no-fear-2017-ENG
>https://www.games-workshop.com/en-GB/Warhammer-40000-dark-imperium-eng-2017

>>55385858
>>55385493

>redshirts

The only group of people that GW keep more in the dark about what's going on than the customers are the guys working in the stores. Kirby has stepped down from the board. He's still a major shareholder (owns something like 10% of the company), but he has no authority any more.

>>55385506

They don't provide a breakdown of sales figures for any of their various ranges or IPs, I'm they would give the same response if the question had been asked about the proportion of sales that 40k or BB made up. I don't reckon that sales growth in AoS is as strong as it is in 40k, but that's just a guess.

>>55385506
>>55385961

Stop panicking at the mention of something with a vagina, it was a reply to a question from one person at the AGM, not a full-on announcement. GW aren't talking about trying to appeal to normie women (or normie men, for that matter), they bang on repeatedly about how they're in a niche business and there is no point in trying to chase the mass market. They just want to make a little more effort to draw in the kind of women who might be tempted into playing the game, not go full Marvel-tier SJW-appeasing diversity. What that translates into is having their female concept artist work on Escher and putting them in the first Necromunda release, not retconning the Emperor as a disabled genderqueer woman of colour.

>>55386661
>Even the Primaris boxes are multipart.
Yet still they are all monopose so as SoS and Custodes boxes

>>55386805
>major shareholder
>has no authority any more
He still have POWAH!

>>55386805
>not retconning the Emperor as a ... woman of colour.
Well, technically he is already turkish....

>>55386744
>implying the hobby actually needs people like GSCB

>>55386719
Games fucking nobody plays in any amounts great enough to matter in a lot of areas. For a game to matter, it has to have local interest. No interest, nobody to actually play it with. In my country f.ex only GW games are played with a tiny speck of Malifaux between like 3 guys.

>>55386754
It was just an example. I admit bretonnia was a poor choice though.

>>55386810
Then just buy actual armyboxes instead of flavour of the month NuGW kits. My guess is that since all of those models are meant to be more of a support section of a greater army, they don't really warrant such convertibility options as you're not assumed to field that many to begin with. At least not SoS or Custodes.

>>55386805
>not retconning the Emperor as a disabled genderqueer woman of colour.

Well, he was already 'Of Colour'. He's from Turkey.

>>55386918
What year was he born because this means he can be Turkish, Persian or Greek(or what not)

>>55382858
100% agree!!

>>55386951
8000BC

>>55386951
8th Millenium B.C, Anatolian Peninsula, so he's basically Neolithic age.

>>55386914
>my flgs is the world

>>55386805

That brings something else to mind - I think they said there may be female gangers in some of the other gangs beyond Escher. Now I'm trying to remember if Rountree mentioned female IG, or if I'm just imagining it.

>>55386984
Yeah then for sure we can say he would be brownish-something. Funny I always thought Emprah was some more recent development. What was he doing all that time?

>>55386914
>My guess is that since all of those models are meant to be more of a support section of a greater army, they don't really warrant such convertibility options
But what about
>>more detailed multi-part miniatures you can convert out the ass and use in a shitload of games

>>55386684
I'm not going to deny that the art suffers for it, BUT as a counterpoint, a lot of the new art as a result is more in line with the photography they use- I would argue that a more consistent image is better for the game.

I'll use, as an example, the 4th ed Tyranid codex, the first book I got for 40k- I adored that book, between the way the background was written to the way the rules let you customize things. However, none of the art made sense for the models as they were. The models were/are alien because of their smooth lines and plates, wheras the art was all spines and plates. It was hard to tell what was what, and in terms of enthusiasm for the game it had less weight because of this.

>>55386914
>Games fucking nobody plays in any amounts great enough to matter in a lot of areas. For a game to matter, it has to have local interest. No interest, nobody to actually play it with. In my country f.ex only GW games are played with a tiny speck of Malifaux between like 3 guys.
There's only one GW game left and it's 40K. AoS is dead and for fantasy players the descendants of WHFB play well.

There is exactly 6 AoS events planned in the next 6 months in the entire country of France, two of them next week with 0 players registered, and none of them with more than 10 players. T9A, the WHFB knock off that nobody plays clocks at 18 tournaments in the same timespan, one of them with 108 people already registered. KoW has more tournaments as well.

Hell even bloodball is more popular than AoS.

>>55387056
>But what about
99% of all miniatures GW sells are this. You can't cherrypick the ones don't as an example. By contrast most other ranges aren't multipart either.

>>55386995
Your area IS the world when you're thinking of starting these hobbies. It's a physical tabletop wargame, you need local players. Just because a thousand people play <insert random game> in your area, doesn't mean everyone has access to a thousand people to play that same game regardless of where they live. Therefore, such investment varies. Investing in Frostgrave for me personally is a complete waste of money and effort. But in 40k, It's not.

In my case, 10 euros spent on Frostgrave is 10 euros wasted. 20 euros spent on 40k is 20 euros invested.

>>55387042
He was literally just hanging out and learning shit, observing humanity and preparing for when they're advanced/pliable enough to warrant taking over. The No.1 reason he hates religious dogma so much is that he lived through all these years of bullshit stemming from faith like holy wars, oppression, corruption, terrorism and all that.

He's Chad Fedoracock

>>55387125
>99% of all miniatures GW sells are this.
And 90% of them are older editions stuff.
Meanwhile the discussion started from talks about new GW models>>55385714

>>55386951
>>55386918

THERE WE NO FUCKING TURKS IN ANATHOLIA IN 8000 BC YOU FUCKTARDS

>>55387204
And I'm not a prophet and neither are you. As it stands right now, almost the entire range of GW is multipart. Some isn't, but we'll see if this is a fluke and y'all just catastrophising and doomsaying like most people like to do... or if it's true. Time will tell, no use shitting your pants at this moments.

>>55387245
Multiparts doesn't mean shit if it is monopose

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>>55387030
Aww yiss female Orlock gangers done right would be awesome. Delaque and Cawdor would work as well.

>>55387245
>And I'm not a prophet and neither are you.
We are talking about LATEST GW releases, not about future releases.
>As it stands right now, almost the entire range of GW is multipart. Some isn't
Okay, name the last GW multipart MULTIPOSE kit.

>>55387125
>In my case, 10 euros spent on Frostgrave is 10 euros wasted. 20 euros spent on 40k is 20 euros invested.
If you have any LotR, AoS or WHFB miniatures, or even D&D, Heroquest or any other Dungeoncrawler stuff, you have the stuff play Frostgrave or ASoBaH
That's what great about generic games

>>55387304
I don't know exactly as I don't pay attention and study every fucking sprue they come out with, I only really pay attention to the armies I play. But Thousand Sons kits are multipose.

>>55387335
Generic games = generic fun. interchangeable settings, reminds me of what Dyson told Tolkien during their club meetings, "not another fucking elf!"

>>55387335
And good thing too because frostgrave minis look kinda bad imho

>>55387388
They are better than most of the AoS range trough. And a sizeable part of the 40K range too.

>>55387453
Ech I would rather use old empire range or mordheim mercenaries

GW is exploding right now, the new CEO did it, the absolute madman

>>55382780
honestly I dont think criticism would even be that bad anymore. If it was 2013 they'd be swamped by trolls but most people seem pretty satisfied with the way things are going.

Look at their youtube vids, they'll get insanely good like/dislike ratios. The Death Guard trailer had like 5,000 likes to just 40 dislikes.

>>55387481
The frostgrave barbarians are unironically one of the best plastic kit that came out in the fantasy industry the last few years.

>>55386382
If you think "kids" are the majority of the fan base you are about 20 years behind the times my dude. The hobby is dominated by the older generation because the "old guys " are the biggest market for modeling and table top gaming. the hobby world has no way to actually compete with the current generation of kids, what with electronics and video games. Think about it if you were or maby are a parent. Are you gonna by little Bobby a new video game for 60 bucks that doesn't make a mess? Or 60 bucks for a modle that need to be cut with a knife, cutters, glued, and painted?

>>55386382
The (((globalist))) agenda turns 1st world kids into fags, so they see women and are threatened.

>>55387270
This. The kits being multipart just enables more shitty, overly busy cad models that can easily be sliced up for machining in to an injection mold while making it moderately more difficult to recast. They aren't dynamic, and they don't look good.

>>55387224
neither were they what would pass off as white.

>>55386805
>not retconning the Emperor as a disabled genderqueer woman of colour.

No spoilers for ADB's upcoming books, please.

>>55384275
If attempts to "bring women in" mean shit like sisters of silence i welcome it. SoS are awesome

>>55387356
>I don't know exactly as I don't pay attention and study every fucking sprue they come out with,
So you can't?
Look, the GWhite Knight cannot name the last GW multipose release

>>55382492
No BFG? :(

>>55387588
>so they see women and are threatened.
But not tumblrinas

>>55387572
More like 90 bucks for a model you can't do anything with without 400 bucks of other models, vs a console that serves the whole family as a Netflix box, and of which you can buy old consoles and games for relatively cheap.

>>55387588
So they go to /pol and complain about SJWs and diversity?

>>55384914
I agree in theory, but i saw what happened to marvel comics and video games. They were devoured at an amazingly fast pace. SJWiz

>>55387042
He was supposedly Alexander the Great, Julius Caesar, and Napoleon.

Basically he kept trying to take over the world and failing.

>>55385041
you can paint these fags any color you want. The model isnt a black man

>>55387381
You combine the generic ruleset with a setting you like, you doofus.
My group mostly plays Frostgrave, ASoBaH and KoW in our fantasy RPG setting, but I also have an Elder Scrolls themed warband and a Dune themed one for Rogue Stars.

>>55387648

No mention of it on this occasion, but other peeps who have been to FW open days and the like say it's coming.

>>55387701
Video games ended up that way due to so many studios being located in liberal hellholes.

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>>55387648
>No BFG? :(
Sorry kid

>>55385055
I remember pygmies, they're too hilarious to forget

>>55387717
With all his psychic powers and shit? Man that's just sad that is

>>55387748

Man I wish they'd bring BFG back... Playing Armada is good..but not the same..

>>55384981
>catholic

there's your problem. You're spending so much on indulgences you can't afford minis

>>55387748
I would enjoy armada if it was any other SF setting. Pity no other space combat wargame took hold

>"we need to bring more women into the hobby"
>THIS IS UNACCEPTABLE REEE
>GW introduces sisters of silence, plastic sisters of battle, more female IG/Inquisition models

I wouldn't mind

>>55387092
you got any source? or just just spewing it out your asshole?

>>55387773
>Man I wish they'd bring BFG back...
>ForgeWorld
>competing with FFG
Yeah, just like X-wing vs Imperial aeronautica, or like X-wing vs Stormcould attack, right?
>GW literally paid to Disney for "brand damage" after Imperial Guard

>>55387795
>I wouldn't mind
>t.SJW who wants more transgenders in our hobby

>>55387665
This is exactly why people who sit there and go "oh the game is marketed toward kids.". No, no it's not, it's marketed to adults, and if you think otherwise you just being delusional. The actual target audience for this product is between the ages of 20 to I would say 45 with the ones that spend the most money on it being in the age range of 25 to 35 as they have the most disposible income.

>>55387620
The Emperor is just a gestalt mass of psychic energy anyway. He doesn't have a true form.

>>55387795
From my anecdotal experience gals wouldn't care that much for those. I on the other hand would be tempted to get back into WH40k if I could have mixed IG regiment or field SoB army.

>>55387042
Master of Mankind has someone suspect that the Emperor is a weapon from the dark age of technology that thinks it was born on ancient earth and has since gone rampant.

I mean GW will never make that canon, but it's still a hilarious concept

>>55382477
>they want to bring more women into the hobby
Bioware 2.0

>>55387889
This is better exmplenation then him trying to conquer earth for few thousands years and failing

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>>55387893
>Bioware 2.0
>absolute state of Infinity vs Warhammer soon

>>55387934
>>55387893
>Emperors children retconned into gay bishie marines

>>55387975
Pretty Marines confirmed!

>>55387746
vidya became too big to be a nerd hobby

>>55383760
>>55383814
Demon players like myself also bump that number as they are AoS models used in 40k.

>>55387934
DA3 looks like shit, but I want people to stop pretending CDPR isn't a fucking AAA developer. They have 300 people working on Cyberpunk, Poland is probably funneling half its gross domestic product into it at this point.

>>55385190
>What about gender-neutral poster-army?
We have Orks already

>>55385753
Nobody is oppressed in any first world country though

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>No WFB still
>my continuing face when

They'll get my money through SEGA, but that's it.

>>55388303
>oppression is an absolute value

>>55388333
well yeah, someone calling you an asshole is not oppression, no matter how good things get for everyone else

>>55388349
but seeing a darkie in a suit means the end of the western world.

>>55388333
The government passing legislation that restricts your negative rights is oppression, anything else is just unpleasant people being mean to you.

>>55388358
what the fuck are you talking about

>>55388367
>people cannot oppress other people, only gubmint can.
I guess all those lynchings were just picnics.

>>55388374
well you are the one who gets butthurt when he is called a cis white male.

>>55388394
lol what? I'm fucking Chinese

>>55388303
The bourgeoisie have always oppressed the proletariat.

>>55388407
nuclear war over Nork when?

>>55388435
whenever, not like I live there any more. Hope they livestream some warhead-cam

>>55388447
>cam goes up
>cam comes down
pretty boring

>>55385115
Next step should be to do for AoS what they've been doing for 40k; it's been long enough for most of the 'bad blood' from End Times and the botched AoS launch to have faded into the background, so patching things up would result in some good will fantasy-side.

>>55388417
>paying someone to do something they consent to is oppression
Marx please go

>>55388480
>consent under duress is consent.

>>55388472
Doubt it.

The Fantasy community is dead-set on only playing the World That Was.

GW could bring in Fantasy players by coming up with a lore explanation for the new stuff like Sigmarines and Fyresdorfs in the old setting and using the AoS rules as 9e, letting people use the lore they like.

Anything less won't bring back the people who were alienated by the whole thing, they hate the AoS Spelljammer setting.

>>55388465
glorious panoramic video of pyongyang tho

>>55388472
>AoS
>fantasy
they are inherently different settings both in their tone and crunch.

>>55388504
I really hope seoul gets nuked or just bombarded by all the conventional artillery. The gooks must pay for what they did to RTS.

>>55388519
pfft 1v1 me on broodwar faggot

please don't say yes I don't play starcraft

>>55388494
>implying your desire to buy things counts as being under duress

>>55388046
For all the SJW bait out there, there's half a dozen games where all that stuff doesn't mean shit. Hell, half of /v/ is just senseless bitching because people love being offended on the internet.

>>55388500
I could deal with the radically altered setting if there was some semblance of normalcy and I could build my guys, but the whole thing looks like they're just waiting to dump free people, serraphon, and any other pre-8th edition models that stick around because the molds haven't worn out yet/they need to dump the remaining stock. As it stands, it looks like nothing but monthly power creep and flavor of the month shit for models I don't even want to paint

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>>55382473
Thanks for the info OP it was a good summary.

Shame the spergs had to ruin everything, again