/srg/ - Shadowrun General

I need runs. Good runs, bad runs, complex, straight forward, smart runs, dumb runs, I don't care what you got, I'm all tapped out here.

>>55372081
Remember everyone, if you buy CGL books. You're helping the dragons win.

>>55372333
Have you tried running premades?

>>55372333
Have you considered taking the runners to a magical realm.

>>55371754
>>Competent deck (300-500k)
>>Programs (~10K)
>>Agent (~36k), or (~72k) for 2 so you can use simple action spamming
>>LOG/INT Bioware (~200k)

That's more nuyen than priority A resources gives you...

>>55372081
Don't do the first three but always and forever cut a deal with a dragon.

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>>55372081
>>55372646

>>55372543
You really only need about 250-350k for your deck.
You really should only need one rating 6 agent which you can't buy at chargen anyway, so wait on that.
You can usually just buy 1 or two cerebral boosters for 30-60k.
An arm of god + machine pistol/smg. 50k
Programs 10k
That leaves you about 20-50k for whatever else you want.

>>55372821
Yeah, that was in reference to the dude who wants to be a Prime Runner AND Rigger.

50k isn't even enough for street level rigging.

>>55372932
>Decker and rigger
Maybe you could do it with a technomancer, but not with an ordinary decker. Just not enough nuyen to go around.

>>55372081
Tried to find out about paper version of whatever current core book(s) can be bought, but the official website is a mess of 90s eAIDS. Any good wiki style resources for Shadowrun?

>>55373040
>Paper version
>Bought
Chummer no.. check the pastebin. Or at least buy used, please don't give CGL money.

>>55372988
Yes. That was what we're saying and have been saying. Thank you for catching up.

>>55373065
>please don't give CGL money.
Why not?
t. new as fuck

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>>55372543
Use a commlink pseudo-deck at chargen (around 20k nuyen). Hint to the DM that you want to upgrade to a proper deck ASAP, but you couldn't afford one and not gimp yourself.
As long as your GM isn't a complete shitheel he will silently thank you, because you just gave him material for several runs with the plot of your decker either getting enough cash to buy one, or stealing one off the back of a truck.

Congratulations. Player and DM working together to make an enjoyable game for everyone.

>>55373149
The higher ups have a history of embezzlement and it's severely impacted their ability to produce quality content for the game.

The sooner they go under or the license is given to another company, the better.

>>55373149
They're criminals who don't pay their employees.

https://geek-related.com/2010/04/17/catalyst-games-defiant-criminals/

>>55372333
What's it like being so uncreative?

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>>55373149
CGL is a shit company that releases mediocre products, case in point their 5th edition Shadowrun books are so poorly edited than half of them don't even have a worthwhile table of contents.

Also their senior staff were involved in massive fraud, stealing money from freelance writers and embezzled to fund home renevations. They then launched a disinformation campaign to hide the truth, and anyone that helped them had their characters written into Shadowrun canon.

On a side note, I just realised that I have over 1,800 non-cheese Shadowrun-themed character imagessaved on my computer. I think I need to stop.

>>55372744
I don't know why but I love it every time this image pops up.

>>55373240
Post some

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>>55373252
Because it's amusing to imagine that perhaps the most powerful and influential entity in the Shadowrun setting is just a trolling shitposter on matrixchan.

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>>55373265
Sure thing.

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>>55373312
Any preference, or cute cyberpunk-ladies enough for you?

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>>55373333
Holograms are the future.

>Tell a friend about shadowrun and how there are dragons
>He now wants to fuck a dragon
>Argue with him about how that's a death sentence
>Eventually get idea about how it could possibly do it
>Do missions for a dragon to gain trust, being nothing but reliable and useful
>Eventually save up enough favors and convince dragon to shoot a simsense porno with him to sell BTLs to all the perverts of the Sixth World
>He can now die happy

I would never actually run a game like this but he told me to post it on here, and so I have.

>>55372543
>>55372821
>>55372932
>>55372988
Alright, it seems Decker-Rigger is just too expensive an all accounts, from nuyen to skills. I guess I'll go with Prime Runner decker, go all in at chargen for it, and spend future karma/nuyen to become an all-around skill-monkey.

>>55373362
Is it wrong that this was kind of my first idea too? I can't help it, man, power is fucking hot.

>>55373374
If you absolutely need to control drones or vehicles, just hack them.

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>>55373362
What a way to burn your Edge.

>>55373362
Did you know that IEs fucked dragons?

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>>55373467
They get away with everything.

>>55373467
lucky bastards

>>55373480
Correct. It's why dragons will never, ever fuck non-dragons again.

>>55372333
The wizard mafia is making drugs, but a rival cartel wants you to shut that shit down.
Break into a cyborg manufacturing plant and swap two brains
The wizard mafia has kidnapped your fixer's dog and are holding it hostage. Save the dog, then kill them all.
Lone star wants to steal the local police contract from KE (or vice versa), and hires you to break a bunch of serial killers and shit out of prison to make KE look bad.
The wizard mafia, sick of your constant meddling, has hired assassins to kill you. Take out the assassins, then finish off the wizard mafia once and for all.

>>55373333
Cute ladies with guns.

Also cute orcs woth guns.

And cute mechanic / mechanically inclined girls.

>>55373362
"No, no, no, I want to CONSENSUALLY fuck a Dragon."

Holy shit, started looking at that Decker/Face concept and wow. Will a rating 2/3 deck get my team killed? Because the costs are straight up retarded. If you can buy a deck why are you even running?

>>55372333
Break into a Warehouse
Steal 100 Troll-Size Dildos
Place them on the roof of building (chose a fairly low building)
Cover them with combustible lube
let them burn

>>55373902
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j8FXC9fODQs

>>55373717
>If you can buy a deck why are you even running?
That is a very good question. Ware and Deck prices are enormous, big enough that many GMs either don't give you access to the Spider's Deck or make it self-destruct, simply due to the fact that 10% of an average deck is more than most runs pay.
Most sane GMs cut the price of decks and ware in half

>>55374075
>Not at the point of doing 500k+ payment runs

The point of decks being so pricey is that they technically allow you to access the Matrix undeterred and to be a threat to megas. If they were super accessible the entire thing would be pointless.

>>55374156
>the entire thing would be pointless.
What does that even mean

>>55374173

Clearly allowing people to interact with a major part of the setting is something that shouldn't be allowed unless they spend a staggering amount of money on it.

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>>55374173
>>55374193
Sorry I'm having brain farts today.

What I mean to say is that cyberdecks are a rare and specialized commodity. The Restricted rating means that to have one you need a license as a security spider or as a security contractor for the matrix.

A cyberdeck is not something kids buy (forget devgrl) for the hell of it. It's a very specialized micro computer capable of running top of the line programs. People who use cyberdecks either work for megas as spiders, high-end programmers (and even then) or as matrix technicians.

To make a comparison more apt, a cyberdeck isn't a home computer. Commlinks are smartphones and computers put in one, cyberdecks are hyper-specialized piece of hardware.

So the price is explained in it's definition, it's a specialist tool for accessing the backdoor of the matrix.

>>55374075
Is that actually a common houserule? I might be able to sell my GM on it, but I don't want it to cause problems with other prices later (like commlinks). Either way, let's say my decker had to burn down his hidey-hole and he's having to work his way up. What's the best way to hack on the cheap that won't get my crew killed? Are modified speciality decks a good idea?

>>55374287
All of that explains the restrictions, not the price.

>>55374397
The price is explained by the abilities the deck gives you.

Having both attack and sleaze is unique and would require a special system for it to be possible. Just by raw an attack dongle at rating 6 is over 100k. Now you can have one dongle at a time on a commlink but if you could have two it'd be 200k+ minimum and you'd still have no program slot.

Say a program slot is 50k per slot. A rating 4 deck has approx 200k worth of program slots, plus an attack and sleaze capable board of minimum 200k. And those are all approximate numbers.

Also maybe the price is that high because it's a seller's market and the corps don't want every script kiddie to be able to steal paydata or fuck with their hosts.

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>>55373541
Sure. Sleep now, various cybercuties later.

>>55374519
Damn!

>>55374453
sure, that might be a logical explanation. But it also leads to players saying
>Fuck man, why are we even running if we could just steal some Deck and get more money than from other runs?
Which leads to:
A) Them not focusing on the run and instead on the Spider
or
B) Trying to take the deck but being denied (e.g. Self-Destructing Deck)
or
C) The GM having to jack up Run Rewards to give them a reason not to focus on the Spider (and even then they will likely want to steal it for additional money)

>>55374566
It also leads to them being pissed when they have to change ownership of the deck they stole and contend with the clusterfuck that is ownership rules.

A self-correcting problem.

>>55374566
The main problem with what you're proposing is that the decker is on site.

Security spiders are never on site, they're always at the nearest corporate arcology or enclave and under security.

It's been in the lore that way for a long time. Same reason Security mages are also never on site.

Why not just have fixers or johnsons lend or rent out a good cyberdeck for the duration of the run? you can still have a decent cyberdeck for most operations and save up for your own personal deck

>>55373461
Why's the keeb's hand backwards?

>>55374633
maybe that's why he took it off?
>Fuck, they gave me a left hand

>>55374633
Yekka, minor bug.
Take household gremlins I or II on a cheap lifestyle, like street or squatter.
Infinite money!
It gets really funny with trolls because the +100% increase in lifestyle costs affects the money you get.

>>55374678
In my defence, it doesn't say 'to a minimum of zero'. I'll have a look, shouldn't be a problem to fix.

What do people think about this: http://forums.shadowruntabletop.com/index.php?topic=22483.msg411180#msg411180

>>55373158
>Use a commlink pseudo-deck at chargen (around 20k nuyen).
It costs way more than that.

>>55373149
>Why not?
Because fuck those guys in particular. If they actually paid their employees it would be one thing. But they publish material without having paid their freelancers, cancel books after first drafts have already been completed and refuse partial payments, and are a bunch of embezzling cunts.

And, on top of all of that, most of their books for the past year or two have been fucking garbage.

If you have to buy Shadowrun books, learn German and buy the Pegasus books.

>>55373374
>Alright, it seems Decker-Rigger is just too expensive an all accounts, from nuyen to skills.
Bingo.

Are there rules for building a custom deck? Not slapping a dongle in a commlink, and not modifying an existing deck. Building a custom one, stats and all, outright.

>>55374900
It's interesting, but it's old and doesn't use the full range of SR5 material to reach its conclusions.

I can probably guess the answer, but has 5e provided any information on Australia beyond the rather outdated information from Target: Awakened Lands from 3e?

>>55376010
no, sadly, but there should be.

>>55376301
5e's provided information on Spain, Metropole, and the Carribbean League (especially Havana). There's also a lot of good new stuff for Cheyenne and Hong Kong, and some bad new stuff for Denver and Boston. Aside from that, they've provided fuckall new location information.

>>55376458
Well, there is also some german stuff, i think.

>>55376697
I don't read German, so I wouldn't know.

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>>55372821
>>55372543
Excuse me are you guys deckers or skiddies?
Novahot or GOD home.

>>55376458
There's also info on Constantinople, iirc.

>>55376350
>>55376010
You could try bludging the old ones to work on 5e, but I doubt that would end well.

>>55372333
Go on a Lostech run for a cache of the rarest Pepes known to metahumanity. Go on another one to find something capable of reading an IDE hard drive so you can actually get the damn things off it.

>>55377492
Some things should stay buried, and Pepe is one of them.

>>55376010
>>55376350
One of the SR freelancers who I had the pleasure to play with actually said it was something they wanted to add in Data Trails but only the dongle and small mod stuff made it in, didn't know why.

When I ran with his group he gave me the homebrew and I'm currently trawling throught my drives to see if I had saved it.

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>>55377876
Ah hah ! Found it

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1pVAwmpdYDB_OHDgN7qCfc8YoH2IYkqdErC4vYyhEU6I/edit?usp=sharing

>>55372423

Yeah, I've skimmed through the 3rd, 4th, and 5e ones in the mega and adjusted the ones I liked

>>55372473

I'm not even sure what my own magical realm is

>>55373234

It sucks dude.

>>55373527

What would a wizard mafia even look like? A room of Leonards from Ugly American?

>>55373902

Burning Troll Cock sounds like a band

>>55377492

Who would pay money to ressurrect a decades old meme that in current times has already been beaten worse than a dead horse?

>>55378166
>Not wanting to study a powerful and timeless meme for Megacorp marketing programs to reverse engineer.

>>55378283
Horizon would just bury it as "fake news" and you know it.

>>55378166
Have them switch into a new genre without knowing it. Either noir, or pulp, superhero, or crime drama to name a few. Then run stuff for that.

Doctor N. Erjee has used stadowrunners & stole diamonds being used for research by Horizon, the fixer calls the players big red commlink. Will they foil the evil Doctor before he uses the diamonds to punch a whole in the background mana count & fuck up everything?

A body full of wax was dumped in the alley behind a bowling alley, a Lone Star detective hires the players who he has dealt with before. Wacky banter & quirky characters help the team solve the case.

The Man with the Monowhip struck again, him & his army of CFD freaks have expanded their territory selling more & more of that new Novacoke , this time he has killed someone close to the players, hey may deal with crazies & kingpins all the time, but this time its personal

Of all the Hosts in all of Emerald City she had to jack into mine... a thin little sprite with fractal code that drew you in, made you feel big as a giant & small as a flea at the same time. I hadn't seen her since that night in Paris 5 years ago. She told me she had a run. A man did her wrong. Stole some fancy tech piece she inherited from the girl who made her, who set her free. I had thought i was free. Free of her. Free to drown my sorrows in BTLs till my eyes crossed & my soul didnt scream. Well, i could never say no to a dame. I gotta Code see.

>>55378166
I was thinking like, pinstripe suits, rods with buttstocks and foregrips, wands with pistol grips, etc.

Is there an Italian mob in 2076? I know there's the Korean Soulpas, the Triads, Irish mob, Russian mob, and Yakuza, but what about the Italian mob?

>>55378841
yeah, there's an italian mob. They own the southern half of italy, iirc.

How would you go about seducing a dragon?

What happened the last time you burned a point of edge, /srg/?

>>55372081
Mr.Johnson hires runners to collect evidence and his money back from the Sunset Gym gang, a trio of steroid-abusing metas who kidnapped, tortured, drugged him with Deepweed, set him on fire, and ran him over with an Americar in an attempt to kill Mr.Johnson.

>>55378966
See
>>55378948

>>55378966
My character survived to the end of the game. By which I mean the GM cancelled the game.

>>55379018
Did it work?

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>>55372333
>>55379187
And some that are less fun

>>55379111
Yes,

Hestaby, a Tir Noble elf lady, & my runner got into a steamy situation...

I was actually surprised the GM allowed it & i expected a horrible fallout when i released the simsense recording on the Matrix

>>55375316
Not really. It does if you increase the attack/stealth dongle, but with Smoke and Mirrors running it'll be high anyway. After all, it's only temporary until you find a 'real' deck.

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>>55372333

My group has no matrix support. Can i have it where during a run the players just plug in a Metalink with a data tap, given to them by a Decker/TM prepared with a program/agent/sprite, into something & a program/agent/sprite does the thing?

>>55376987
Specifically, they tell you that it was Istanbul, now it's Constantinople. For reasons left unexplained because there's no rational reason for it to be so

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>>55379626
Same situation, PCs are a street sam, face, rigger, and infiltrator. Fixer sent them on a datasteal and gave them two single-use comlinks. First one would fuck with security at the lab, with better effects the closer they installed it to the network security room. Second one would pull the data they need if plugged in to the correct terminal. They left the first comlink plugged into the network when they left and got the fixer's apartment blown up.

>>55379652
I mean, the name change would make sense if the greeks took advantage of the seccesion to go full Megali, but they didn't, so *shrug*

>>55379762
I got a street sam with a control rig & a Roadmaster, an infiltrator & a DMNPC facemage because they both made goddamn murderbots & will die without magic back up & someone to charm/negotiate.

>>55379652
There are reasons. They're just nobody's business but the Turks.

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>>55379187

One of those gives me a great idea.

Runners are hired to investigate a toxic dumping, happening in a scenic river or lake next to a park frequented by a wealthy neighbourhood. Lets go with Bellevue.

The news media is making headlines of these guys.

> "Eco-Terrorists Pollute Seattle's Most Scenic Lake"

they say.

It's surprisingly easy to track down the people from the leads they're given. They find themselves in a nasty-looking (and smelling) part of the barrens, filled with industrial waste and abandoned factories.

First, they meet a girl similar to pic related. She would remind players of a nutty, coal-burning SJW, but even edgier because cyberpunk.

Then a genial-looking troll fellow comes along.

> "Suzy, who are these people?"

> "Hey, you have to call me by my codename, Flies with Eagles!"

> "Yeah, Suzy, that's never gonna catch on."

He walks up to the runners, introduces himself, gives a nice, firm handshake, and explains what they're doing.

> "This waste was dumped here illegally in the first place. But since it was dumped here in the barrens, no-one cares. The way we see it, we're just taking something that was already illegally dumped, and illegally dumping it somewhere else."

> "This stuff has real consequences; people who grow up around here end up getting cancer in their thirties. For orcs and trolls, our lives are already too short."

> "When we demand that this gets cleaned up, no one listens. But when we take it to the enclave of the rich, the rich complain, and it gets cleaned up right away."

> The plan was to just dump as much of the waste here into the rich people's lake as we can, so it can finally get cleaned up. But it would be really great if we could use this to get the message out about our cause. Would you be willing to help us? We can't offer much, but you'll have the gratitude of our network."

Would your runners help them, /tg/? Trick question, your murderhobos probably wouldn't even let this exchange happen.

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>>55379652
There was an outbreak of cockroach spirits, they rule the land now. They're plotting something bigger now as we speak.

>>55380764
Reminds me of one of the CP2020 pregen adventures.

>>55380878

Which one?

>>55380906
Screamsheet Scenario #6: Camping Out. Page 244 in v2.01

>>55380764
My runners would just tag and bag 'em. No profit in bleeding hearts and minds.

>>55381131

If you chose to be a runner just for the money, you either don't have other options, or you're an idiot.

If you would take a regular payday over making the world a better place, you should just go join a security team, or become a company man.

I'm trying to find specifics on Denver as of 5E. I know in 4E was still split between each of the major North American governments (sans Aztlan), but I can't find anything for 'now'. One source I found even suggested that Ghostwalker had said fuck it and kicked all the governments out, taking it as his own territory.

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>find perfect artwork for character
>good artstyle and composition, good anatomy etc
>guy is facing backwards in it

>>55376129
Would you say it's balanced?The thread it's from, most people agree that decks should be cheaper (and clearly better than hacked together commlinks in every respect) but that's the only solid numbers I could find except 'double what an equivilant RCC does' and the latter has some obvious problems even to me.

>>55382661
I'm also still interested in cheap cyberdecks. For all you decker players, what would you say was important in a deck and how low could you go with one? Assuming B Attributes. Assuming you're modding it to Increase Matrix Attribute and using Overclocker to add another.

>>55382682
The problem is that everything is important in a deck, for every of a deck's characteristic will be important in some circumstances:
- High Device Rating allows it to take more damage and operate in more noise
- Having all four MA allows to use all matrix actions
- Juggling the attributes around makes you more versatile.
- Running programs and/or an Agent also makes you more versatile

Playing a decker in 5e is less about having the best tool for the job, but getting the most mileage of the one you can afford.

If you have "B" money, you'll probably get the most mileage out of a Hermes Chariot. The Novatech Navigator is a better deck, but will eat up all of your resources; you will want some 'ware and gear instead.

I was looking through my CP2020 books, and realised that it's possible to use the cyberpsychosis therapy rules to get as many implants as you like. Is there anything like that in SR?

>>55382885
Not really, aside from cyberzombie shenanigans. Essence acts as a hard cap on the amount of 'ware you can install.

What's your favourite role to play?

>>55383142
I'd say Hacker, but no GM I've ever met has understood the rules. Which makes it miserable.

So I'll unfortunately have to default back to the only other role I've played, utility caster.

>>55383215
>tfw my table just finished up a campaign where they had a a Technomancer
>tfw another player volunteered to be Decker for the next campaign
It's an aberration to be sure.

Also my favorite is Face or Samurai

>>55383142
Gun Bunny.

My favorite run so far is playing a former-Vory Street Sam with inbuilt Ultimax in both arms.

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>>55381755
>One source I found even suggested that Ghostwalker had said fuck it and kicked all the governments out, taking it as his own territory.

Yes. Complete Trog has the very latest info, afaik

>>55378841
>Is there an Italian mob in 2076?
Not exactly. The Mafia of Shadowrun is an alliance of Italian, Irish, Caribbean, Jewish, and other crime families, who banded together in order to resist the spread of the Yakuza. There's the amount of internal drama and infighting you'd expect between families like that, but they present a united front against external threats.

They're present in every city in North America, most cities in Europe, many cities in South America and Africa, and only the biggest cities in Asia.

They own the entirety of Sicily, which they've incorporated into a AA megacorp, so the Mafia can and does own extraterritorial locations across the entire world.

>>55383988
Can confirm. I just finished reading TCT earlier tonight. CAS and UCAS didnt believe he'd do it but he made a big enough example of some poor sods on their payroll that they got the message.

Lotta trogs moving into Denver on a one way ticket because they think the new man on campus will make a big enlightened love-in instead of a tyrannical empire ruled by a fucking dragon. Everyone who enters has to swear fealty to Big G. He has mages who can tell when you're lying and if you are you vanish in the middle of the night.

>>55379626
Honestly, that's what Contacts are for. Give one of your players a decently-loyal Decker contact who they can call in for remote support on jobs, but in exchange expects a cut of the pay when they do.

The answer to most group composition-related problems is Contacts.

Most problems in general, really.

>>55383142
Combatant, followed by social infiltrator.

What would be the best AR for a gun bunny adept who is shooting 16 dice at a target and plans to abuse called shots like a motherfucker, the inception or the rainforest carbine.

The colt gives me 10 damage with -1AP at 11 accuracy with RC of 8-9 and 36 shots. The Carbine gives me 11 damage with -2AP at 9 accuracy with 7-8 RC and 18 shots. Reloading is no problem for me due to qualities and adept powers.

Is the extra accuracy worth the tradeoff in damage and AP?

How do called shots work in 4e?

>>55384402
>16 dice
You're going to get, on average, 5.33 hits. An Accuracy above 7 is meaningless for you.

Don't take the Rainforest Carbine; an Assault Rifle without the option of fully-automatic fire is just missing the goddamn point.

Get yourself an Ares Alpha - or an AK-97, if you want to pick up the Yamaha Raiden in play. Legality doesn't matter with an assault rifle, because if you're going to have it in view of the cops, you're going to be committing crimes anyway.

>>55384452
Page 161 of the Anniversary Edition. You can:
>ignore someone's entire Armor by taking their entire Armor score as a dice pool penalty on your attack roll
>gain +1 damage per -1 to attack, for a maximum of +4/-4
>take -4 to disarm someone with a shot; if your modified DV beats their Strength, they drop it

>>55384493
Alright second question. What about those weird hybrid sniper rifles like the crockett how does an alpha compare to them? I asked what the best AR was because I'm comparing them to a longarms adept who could transition between overwatch and moving with the team. And also having a sawn off shotgun for when things get a bit too close.

>>55384661
EBR has more AP which is more important for called shot. No full auto is a bit of a downer but you can still 6 round burst.

>>55384661
If you want a Longarms-based AR stand-in, I'd get an Enfield AS-7, personally - a fully-auto drum-fed combat shotgun. You need a weapon to be fully-automatic if you want to do suppressive fire, you see.

Can you use a trid projector as a to disguise your face?

>>55385205
The description says it's obvious it's a trid "unless you're really artistic with it" or something like that. It'd be pretty hard.

>>55385263
How about to hide your face? Could you display a holographic smiley face over your real one?

>>55385281
I don't see why not.

>>55372081
So random question how do I matrix security without without Stealth Dongle, Smone'N'Mirros and pretty much anything from Data Trails? Ask your decker to slave your gear is not an option.
Asking for a friend

>>55385625
Internal Router?

>>55385625
Get a decent Device Rating commlink, slave everything to it, and run Diagnostics. That'll hold security spiders off long enough for you to switch your wifi off if it starts getting hacked.

Is it possible to remove the legs of a Smart Firing Platform and mount it to armor instead? I want to make a character that, instead of shooting a gun directly, points a finger-gun at someone and makes 'pew pew' sounds as a way of issuing AR commands to an automated gun.

If it's not, I could always mount a gun on a drone and have it follow me around the more traditional way, I'm just seeing what my options are.

Are shapechange and [Critter] Form both completely useless for anything that isn't scouting?

How do I illusionist? I want to befuddle and enchant, but I don't know how to play a mage very well.

>>55383988
>>55384332
Is it still playable as a runners' city, then?

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>>55386189
I'm pretty sure there is a cyberarm that can hold a weapon for you. Maybe take that but make it only cost nuyen? I think I saw a way for that once but can't find it right now.

>>55386705
Keep in mind that while you are in the critter form you can still cast and should have better stats. And pic related is always great

>>55386743
>enchant
enchanting is a separate thing and needs heavy investment to produce viable products

>How do I illusionist?
>Get your MAG up to 6,
>put points into Spellcasting with Specialization in Illusion,
Maybe get
>a Mentor Spirit that boosts Illusion spells and/or
>an Illusion spell focus and/or
>some points in Summoning and Binding to summon and bind the illusion spirit of your tradition to make him Aid Spellcasting on you

Which vehicle is the best for running people over?

>>55387151
people or dragons?

>>55387171
I said people, didn't I? I'll save the dragons for later.

Oh right, I should have specified this: Cheap. Something in the 10k range.

>>55387185
just ram them or ram them and keep driving?

>>55387500
Ideally the latter, but former is okay too. As long as I don't get turned into paste.

>>55386969
>>55386189
>I'm pretty sure there is a cyberarm that can hold a weapon for you. Maybe take that but make it only cost nuyen? I think I saw a way for that once but can't find it right now.
It wouldn't be too hard to mount a weapon on something like an Aztech Crawler and then have it ride on you like a backpack while shooting people. The base stats of the drone wouldn't really matter, since you'd be using Logic+Gunnery when doing AR targeting.

A Crawler can receive a Light-sized, externally visible, flexible, remotely controlled mounted weapon for 2 mod points, and 1 additional point for an ammo bin, letting you slap an SMG or Super Warhawk with a 250 round ammo bin on there. If you wanted to make it a shotgun or something instead, you'd have to sacrifice the ammo bin to do so.

Add on Gecko Tips and extra point of armor. You'd have your choice of also including one of Chameleon Coating, an Articulated Mechanical Arm, or a Smuggling Compartment for extra utility.

Maybe some Touch Sensors too, if you go with the mechanical arm.

If you get it a Targeting Autosoft, it can roll a dice pool of 8 when you're not controlling it manually. More if you get the Autosoft for a smartlink. If you get a Body Armor Bag, you can put the drone in there for safe carrying, poking its arm(s) and sensor suite out when it's shooting time.

Make sure you take lots of Mechanic + Logic for repairs, aside from the standard Gunnery + Logic. If you can eat a -4 penalty, you can do a lot of repairs without having to purchase expensive repair parts too.

Not that repair parts are particularly expensive for a Crawler. They'd run you 200 nuyen per box being repaired. The benefits of starting with a model that only costs 4k nuyen.

All in all, if you decided to get the Light turret, the Crawler, Gecko Tips, +1 Armor, the Body Armor Bag, and, say, an Ingram Smartgun? You'd be looking at 9.9k nuyen, plus ammo and whatever device(s) you're using for AR. 11.4k with Gel Packs.

>>55387185
>>55387515
Would you be riding in the vehicle at the time? Because there's nothing that costs 10k or less where the people in the vehicle are going to come out of an impact unscathed.

Hell, there's very little in the 10k range where the vehicle itself will survive most impacts.

>>55387515
damage, incapacitate or definite kill?

>>55387666
I'm willing to jump out beforehand.

>>55387668
At least incapacitating.

How much Body and Armor does a Smart Firing Platform have, if you shoot at it?

>>55386189
>>55386969
>>55387525
Smart Firing Platform, Gecko Grip. Stick it to whatever you want.

>>55387693
do you use the original speed chart or the revised one?
thing is:
When ramming someone you do Damage equal to Body * (Multiplier), where the multiplier is based on your speed, with -6 AP and which is resisted with BOD+Armor. Average armor is 9 (Armor Jacket) or 12 (Armor vest), so they will on average roll 3 and 6 dice respectively and get 1 and 2 hits on average
Let's say the average person has BOD 3 (higher of course for Orks, Dwarves and Trolls) and an Armor Vest, so 3 armor dice
That means that you need to do 10+2, or 12 hits to kill someone with this. You will then take half of that as well. And here it diverges:
>OLD RULE
under the old rules you start at Speed 1 with 5 m/CT and double to get to the next step. So to kill someone you need either
>BODY 12 and at least Speed 2
>BODY 6 and at least Speed 4
>BODY 4 and at least Speed 6
>BODY 2 and at least Speed 6

>NEW RULE
the author of the vehicle section said that all these numbers were supposed to be abstract but that CGL added the exponential speeds behind his back. IIRC he said that you should just multiply the speed of the various vehicles with a multiplier based by type, which for Vehicles is 30 km/h (or 25 m/CT)
So there we'd need
>BODY 12 and at least Speed 1
>BODY 6 and at least Speed 2
>BODY 4 and at least Speed 4
>BODY 2 and at least Speed 6

Cont.

>>55386969
shapechange/[critter] form doesn't work like that anymore

that bit about metahumans being critters comes from 4e, and to the ebst of my knowledge has been ignored in 5e, but the errata for Street grimiore specifies that each hit adds 1 point to one of the base physical attributes, not 1 point to all of them

>>55387961
Going by Chummer5:
Ares-Segway Terrier SPEED 2 BOD 2 COST 4500
Cocotaxi SPEED 3 BOD 5 COST 4000
Dodge Scoot SPEED 3 BOD 4 COST 3000
Echo Motors Zip SPEED 3 BOD 6 COST 3500
Entertainment Systems Cyclops SPEED 4 BOD 4 COST 6500
Evo Falcon-EX SPEED 2/3 BOD 7 COST 10000
Horizon Double Revolution SPEED 4 BOD 6 COST 8000
Suzuki Mirage SPEED 6 BOD 5 COST 8500
Yamaha Growler SPEED 3/4 BOD 5 COST 5000
Chrysler-Nissan Jackrabbit SPEED 3 BOD 4 COST 10000
Renault-Fiat Funone SPEED 3 BOD 6 COST 8500
Thundercloud Morgan SPEED 4 BOD 14 COST 7500

These are all the vehicles that fall below/on 10000n¥.
The previous numbers are for killing normal people. If they don't need to die then lower stats are fine. If they are better armored/are more resilient then of course you need better stats
>>55387992
>adds 1 point to one of the base physical attributes, not 1 point to all of them
in 4e that's the same. If it seemed to imply that mental attributes get better, then that was not my intention

How many dice do you need to be a geataway driver?

>>55388186
10-12 are fine.
Just get a smokescreen projector and a fast vehicle.

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Giving it another try:

Which qualities would be good for a Move-by-Wire Character besides the obvious shit (Biocompatibility and Restricted Gear)?
Stuff that complements his "can do a lot of different stuff" would be great.
If its of any relevance: Attributes A, LOG/INT are at 5.

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How do I get a motorcycle that's Akira as fuck?

I'm pretty sure it involves a Suzuki Mirage and modding the hell out of it, but that's as far as I go.

>>55388078
the image shows 4 hits turning the bars 3 of the supposed average human that you transform into, into bars 7, which would take at least 12 hits

>>55388254
are you planning on using skilljacks?
what rating is your MBW implant?
are you trying to melee?

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>>55388339
Yes, i have a Chipjack R5, a Skilljack R6 and R3 MBW

No, I'm not planning on meleeing much (maybe picking it up later in the game), we have a Trolladept for that.

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Since we're talking about MBW, here's mine.

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>>55388403
>Being a Juicer is no Option for me this time, the GM dislikes Drug/Ware interactions.

Steel-eyed-Wheelman might be an option, because I'm sorta forced to be the getaway Driver for the Group since nobody else will bother.
No car because that will be taken care of ingame.

>>55385281
Does anyone remember the media property that had holographic projectors built into collars? People would motion like they were turning up their collar and a holoface would compose itself.

>>55386923
Yes. Right now it's in a flux state; there are runs from the outside trying to find out what's going on, what the big plan is, and what the end goal is, and runs the other way to stop that. Plus the usual 'lots of migrants coming to the area with little plan' angles.

>>55389728
Would I be able to reasonably run it like the Berlin Flux State used to be, but with the beginnings of a dragon dictatorship? Competition between KE and Lonestar for the policing contract, anarchic megacorp espionage, lostech salvage operations, making players have to avoid the attention of Ghostwalker and his cult, etc.

Favorite Houserules, go!

>>55390421
Normal melee attacks are simple actions, charging attacks are complex. That's just about the only one I use.

>>55390421
All drain is reduced by one point and the minimum is zero.

>>55390421
Melee simple attacks is everyone's favorite, more or less.

My second favorite is consolidating the condition monitors. Instead of having separate Stun and Physical tracks, you have a single track that fills up with both, that way having a mix of Stun and Physical weapons in the party isn't counterproductive.

My third favorite is making hacking work like normal skills - you completely chop out cybercombat, Hosts, and marks, and instead just have a straightforward 'make a roll, have an effect' situation. Want to open a door? Just make a single dice roll. Want to disable an alarm? Single dice roll. Trying to get data off of a server? Standard extended test.

>>55372646

I agree

>>55390421
Sleeping Tiger gives a penalty of -20 to social rolls and limits.

>>55390809
>Consolidating the monitors.

Don't most of the NPCs already have this?

>>55390421
Splitted uneven dice pools for dual wielding get rounded up. I looked like crazy in the 4E rules, but it was not mentioned how to exactly split an uneven dice pool.

>>55391944
I don't think it's ever mentioned. Most likely they just assumed that you would split it evenly and then put the leftover die in the dice pool of your choice.
I don't think one die makes a difference

>>55392079
>rolling two differently sized pools for two cyberarms with identical stats
I don't think i could bring myself to do that. Maybe if i could freely determine the size of the pools, depending on the targets.

>>55392152
well, it never said that the dice pools have to be EVENLY split, just split.
And even if you have an even amount of dice you still won't roll pools of same size. E.g. if you are right handed and use two guns you will have 2 dice less in your left hand pool than in your right hand one.

Alright, my player is making a street same with transhuman prototype, what allergies should I suggest to him that you'd define as "common" beyond the ones suggested in the book?

He just handed in a sheet with a bee allergy and I'm not making a villain named "the pollenator" just to give credence to his very specific bee allergy, even though that'd be funny as hell.

>>55392471
Allergy(Severe, Krill)
Allergy(Severe, Pollution)
Allergy(Severe, Projectiles with large kinetic energy)

>>55392601
Allergy(Severe, Orks)

>>55392471
UV rays
EM radiation
Polyvinylchloride
nitrogen oxide
Devil rat fur and dander

>>55392640
Allergy (Severe, Streets)

>>55392642
>>55392659
Allergy(Severe, Sleeping Tiger)

>>55392659
Allergy(Severe, Allergies)

>>55392601
Allergy (Severe, Caffeine)
Allergy (Severe, Gluten)
Allergy (Severe, Sucralose)
Allergy (Severe, Chocolate)
Allergy (Severe, Chocolate)

>>55392695
>Allergy (Severe, Chocolate)
>Allergy (Severe, Chocolate)
Allergy(Severe, Repetition)

>>55392601
>>55392640
>>55392642
>>55392659
>>55392669
>>55392673
>>55392695
Thanks :^)

>>55392718
Allergy(Severe, Prototype Transhuman)

>>55392718
Allergy (Severe, Subtlety)
Allergy (Severe, Black Trenchcoats)
Allergy (Severe, Etiquette)

>>55392471
Jordan?

>>55392471
Plastics, pollution, soy, UV light

Honestly, just pick something thematic to the character's enhancements.

>>55392718
Allergy (Pixie Technomancers, Severe)

>>55392775
___________________________________________________________________________________ no

>>55392788
I'll probably do this. They're also trying trying to be a sneaky guy, so I was thinking dust.

>>55392848
What bioware is he taking?

>>55392861
Just a synaptic booster because it is exactly 1 essence and that's convenient. He has some muscle augmentations too, but that's not part of prototype transhuman.

>>55392907
>not making a prototype transhuman mage with pain editor
He is doing it wrong.

>>55392995
What kind of sum to 10 should you be on for that?

>>55393067
imho it's only really worth it in sum to 15 games

What gear is mandatory, besides SIN+Commlink?

>>55393229
Sleeping Tiger streetwear

>>55393229
A gun, a vehicle, armor, and a Lifestyle.

>>55393416
Knife, Rope, Gecko gloves, R3 Contacts, Earbuds, Tag Eraser

>>55393229
I like the Runner PACKS from Run Faster. They're implemented in Chummer, alongside some from online communities (which is a neat glimpse into their psychology).

>>55392471
Latex
Soy
Nickel (or whatecer metal is commonly used in the fiddly bits of cyberware, making him have to pay a bit more to install it with a different but equal metal
Red Die Number 12
Bullshit (thank you Will Smith)
Coffee
Dust
Pollen (hayfever is a bitch)
Synthetic fabrics
Bullets
Leather (trying to keep a streetsam away from leather is like keeping a fat girl off cake)
Pollutants
Red Die Number 7
Plaster
Girls
Rubber
Wheat
Corn
Semen
Dark Sunglasses

Tell him its easier to have Wanted

Is playing a skillswire streetsam worth it? What other 'ware should i have?

I like the idea of a guy who will do any job as long as you provide any skill he might need if he doesnt already have it. (Returned after the mission of course) an ex military dude who was just a blank canvas for special operations.

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>>55395249
If you're going skillwires, might as well go Move-by-Wire and get the whole package.

Be aware that skillsofts are generally underwhelming, being way too expensive for what you get. And no, you're not going to get loaner R6 chips every run. Get a subscription, go for R4 or less, and make sure your core skills are all meat.

>>55395249
Can't spend edge on tests using skillsofts, which is.... really not good.

>>55395460
Wasnt planning on R6s. He would just be like, "want me to fly that helicopter? Give me a soft. I got pistols, stealth, & cars if you'd like but no helicopter"

>>55395249
If you're using Rating 3 MBW maybe. Otherwise I'm going to say no as skillwires are just too fucking expensive.

>>55395499
Yeah, problem is I don't see Johnsons being this helpful, and if they do give you something like that expect a head full of malware.

>>55395249
>Is playing a skillswire streetsam worth it?
No.

>What other 'ware should i have?
Okay, so, there's exactly one build that's viable for skillwires, and that's Move-by-Wire. You take MBW 3, then spend all of your money from now until forever buying up Skillsofts.

Because Skillsofts are super expensive.

And that's it. That's the entire build.

I've got a couple of balance questions. Namely: Synaptic booster and monofillament whip. Synaptic booster is always active, and unhackable, and the whip hits as hard as a sniper rifle. What's the catch? It seems like the only downside is the price and the exotic weapon proficiency respectively. Do those make them expensive enough to keep them from dominating every game?

Basically, my question is: why wouldn't EVERY mundane take both?

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>>55395834
Because the monowhip can cut your own damn fool head off, and SB cannot be stacked with drugs or anything else, locking you at a max 4d6+whatever init (and is fucking expensive).

>>55395888
noice

>>55395888
>Because the monowhip can cut your own damn fool head off
I thought the wireless bonus removed the glitch penalty. Does it not remove the critical glitch penalty?

>>55395834
The monowhip is:
>Exotic
>Flashy
>Illegal
>Melee

It requires you to be within 2 meters of your target, is super illegal to own, is extremely memorable and flashy, and requires you to invest in an exotic skill just to use it.

Is it rad? Sure. But there's a lot of reasons why someone would prefer to just invest those skill points in a gun skill instead.

And as for the Synaptic Booster? It costs a whole fucking hell of a lot more nuyen than Wired Reflexes. There's an opportunity cost to that. Synaptic Booster 1 costs 95k nuyen. For 95k nuyen, you can get Wired Reflexes 1 and still have 56k nuyen left over for other shit.

It's the better Initiative booster functionally speaking, to be sure. But when you have to choose between just an initiative booster, or an initiative booster and 50k nuyen worth of Agility or Soak augmentations, you start seriously considering the budget option.

>>55395888
Because shooting at someone full auto with APDS will always the cheesiest of options.

>>55396027
The Ares Alpha is illegal, a whole lot harder to hide (you can fit a monofilament whip in a finger) and yet people still use them. And I'd debate the flashy bit as it's supposed to be a monofilament it should be barely perceptible, though running it wirelessly will make it potentially visible in the matrix. It also would make a hell of a lost less noise than a gun.
I'd also argue the Synaptic booster is not better overall than wired reflexex because wired reflexes can be stacked with reaction enhancers giving you a slightly better initiative and defence values. Synaptic booster is only better in that it's less detectable being bioware and less essence intensive, leaving you more room for other stuff.
>>55395931
Yes, it doesn't remove the critical glitch, so >>55395888 is correct

>>55395808
You might also squeeze in some cybereyes for smartlinking, and platelet factories and if you're really lucky later one a pain editor.

>>55396346
>Yes, it doesn't remove the critical glitch, so >>55395888 is correct
Use Edge to stage down the glitch from critical to regular, so you can ignore it. Like someone with half a brain would.

>>55396521
Still happens, you still have to deal with it and that's an edge you could've used for something else. Not a deal breaker but worth considering.

>>55396637
Of course it's not a deal breaker. Critical glitches are rare as fuck, and you're talking about a weapon you're going to be proficient in. aka; dice pools that don't often lead to glitches, let alone glitches with zero hits.

How much nuyen should I leave my character after creation? 800-1k should be enough until the first payday right?

>>55395834
To add to what the others said, the whip has a fixed base damage code and it's not that hard to go higher than 12P for a dedicated melee specialist.

>>55397115
definitely.

Starting a new campaign. I need a name for my dwarf, whose "day job" is pretty much MMA fighter. Whatcha got, /tg/?

>>55397597
BIG
Ankle-Biter
Bowling Ball
Cheap Shot
Squishy
Milquetoast
Grumpy
The Duke
Tenderizer
Needs-No-Gloves
Charlie
Claymore
Granite
The Hairless Wolverine
Honey Badger
Nick
Hadouken
Mittens

>>55397597
Seconding "Honey Badger", perfectly sums up the 'small but tough and not giving a fuck the guy in front is twice as big' concept.

I'm making an Ork bruiser and cant decide between then giving them a tricked out cyberarm with cyber spurs that will cost me 90k or just giving her a sword and pumping that 90k into 'ware. What would be better?

Also do all spurs have to look like shitty wolverine claws?

>>55398509
>Also do all spurs have to look like shitty wolverine claws?

Nope. Hand going up/down and huge blade coming out of palm/wrist are just as popular options as Wolverine-style claws jutting from a closed fist.

As for your first question, it depends on the role you want to take on. High base stats and 'ware boosting those is generally better for a character whose primary role is fucking shit up, whereas the "Hand of God" is better for a character who wants to contribute meaningfully to combat in those occasions they're not busy hacking/talking/driving/ hunkering down in cover/...

Aside from 'scent of cinnamon', does anyone have any AI PCs written up for 5e?

>>55398582
I'll have to go for the sword anyway. Just finished adding the lower cyberlegs and I dont have the cash or the essence to give her a pimped out arm as well.

But on the other hand, an Ork with a machete speeding towards the enemy on rollerskates is certainly an image to remember.

>>55398599
Scent of cinnamon?

>>55399145
AI with CHA 13 and no upper limit.
Called because she likes Cinnamon Scent sims

>>55399165
Ah k cheers. I've heard good things about Pilot AIs as riggers but I haven't built one.

>>55399165
https://pastebin.com/u687vu13

>>55396346
>And I'd debate the flashy bit as it's supposed to be a monofilament it should be barely perceptible, though running it wirelessly will make it potentially visible in the matrix.
'Flashy' as in you leave people on the ground like cold cuts. The effects are extremely distinct and very obvious. You leave a corporation's hallway covered in cleanly-sliced man-bits and you'll get a much different reaction from dropping a few bodies the normal way.

There is a visceral reaction to the particular type of gore that the monowhip produces.

I'm not saying that the monowhip isn't a great weapon. I'm just saying there's loads of perfectly sensible reasons for people to choose not to use it anyway.

Also, I'd argue that the extremely, dramatically lower essence cost, the lack of need to activate them, and the inability to detect them on a cyberware scanner makes synaptic boosters by far the better initiative booster. The option to - with wifi on only - add an additional +3 from other augmentations doesn't even come close.

>>55397115
You random-roll some extra nuyen at the end of chargen based on your Lifestyle. Spend 100% of your chargen resources; you'll get a thematic amount of spending money at the end anyway.

>>55398509
Cyberlimbs are a bad choice for orks, trolls, etc, because of how hard it is to actually get good stats for them. In order to get an Agility 6, Strength 9 cyberarm, you'd be looking at 13 Availability, which means you'd need to take it as Used or Omegaware just to have a good baseline limb.

If you want to have a cyber-blade, get a Partial Cyberarm instead and use it for the Spur/Armor, while using your meat stats as normal. You can put a Spur, Armor 3, and a Shock Hand all into that Partial Cyberarm, and the only thing the partial's stats would ever be used for are things like raw grip strength or lockpicking precision. Things that exclusively involve your stats from the elbow down, and not the rest of your arm or body at all.

Do you guys ever discuss the maintenance of cyberware in your games or is just something that's 'done' in the same manner as eating, cleaning, shitting, etc.?

>>55400230
>or is just something that's 'done' in the same manner as eating, cleaning, shitting, etc.?
This. In the same way that eating only comes up when you're starving and shitting only comes up when you're trapped somewhere without access to a bathroom, cyberware maintenance only comes up when it gets damaged during play. Otherwise, it's just part of normal Lifestyle activities.

Except when slice-of-life vignettes come up. Scenes where the adept gets woken up by a phone call at 2am saying that he needs to get to a bar downtown by 3:30, so there's a brief scene where he has to pay for 5 minutes of hot water at his hotel shower because he's not willing to have a cold shower that early. Or scenes where, during a stakeout, the crew all gets a bunch of soykaf and krill burgers, with the fake cheese described in such a way that most of them decide to try to scrape it off before continuing. Or two crew members chatting it up in the bathroom, but it turns out that while one is applying mascara, the other is doing some quick maintenance on her cybereyes, with motions that look identical from behind.

It's worth remembering, too, that most cyberware is self-maintaining because it's subdermal. Cybereyes, datajacks, and cyberlimbs all have external access, but things like wired reflexes or bone lacing are entirely beneath your skin. The only way they're going to get physically worked on is by going in for invasive surgery to gain access to them. That's one of many reasons why nanomachines are essential to cybersurgery, and why 'ware prices spiked sharply after the whole CFD bullshit.

>>55400392
>The only way they're going to get physically worked on is by going in for invasive surgery to gain access to them.
Nanite repair is still an option.

>>55399916
Its a damn shame the character art I stole has an ork with a cyberarm. I feel like I have to have one just to sate my autism

Anyone have character art of women with visors or face masks? Black hair preferred. She's a cat-burglar/face if it matters.

>>55400492
Enjoy your Used cyberarm, then.

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>>55392640
God, why even live?

>>55400663
Wait thats an Ork? fug.

>>55400733
Troll with Metatype Reduction 1 omae.

>>55400896
Shit trolls are sexy

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>>55400929
>trolls that get surgery to not look like trolls are sexy

ftfy

>>55400991
More trolls need to have this wonder surgery.

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>>55400929
>Shit trolls are sexy
No doubt. Normies prefer elves, but greasy neckbeards like us are all about those Goblinoid/Dwarf hotties.

>>55400991
Orks only have 1 lower maximum Charisma than humans, and Trolls can still be Charisma 4 without taking any special 'ware or Qualities. They have a range of attractiveness, just like anyone else. Their upper end is still above human average.

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>>55401029
Charisma =/= attractiveness. And 'attractive for a troll' =/= 'looks like a human'; this isn't RIFTS.

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>>55401151
>Charisma =/= attractiveness.
Getting cosmetic surgery to get more attractive literally increases your maximum Charisma. This isn't D&D, where Charisma is just a measure of your personality - attractiveness is a canon component of it.

>It’s not entirely about your appearance, but it’s also not entirely not about your appearance.

That's the entire point of Metatype Reduction and Troll Reduction - you get prettier, so you have your metatype limits on Charisma removed.

>>55400230
I once took the high-maintenance implant negative quality in 4E. It sucked, not so much because of the maintenance part, but because i went to replace the implant and had to burn karma. Also, your cyberarm shutting down in the middle of combat is FUN.

Anyone run a game in South America? Brazil? Metropole? I need data on the current events in 2077-2078. I'm hoping to leverage the poverty of the favela into a quasi-Fallout setting, splashed against the rits of Sao Paulo and Rio and replay Max Payne 3

>>55401408
Metropole just got a book

>melee troll with a rapier
ITS TIME TO FENCE MOTHERFUCKERS

>>55401408
Metropole is a city of 200 million people. That's 2/3 the population of the entire United States, or roughly 10 times the size of the greater metropolitan area of New York City. There are individual neighborhoods with bigger populations than entire European nations.

Basically, include whatever you want, it's a city so huge it makes Tokyo look tiny.

>>55383215
Can you blame them for not wanted to write their own dungeon for you alone?

>>55401428
That I'd have to buy - it's not in the pastebin.
And it sounds like CGL is excommunicado

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>>55401615
It's not in the pastebin?

is roll20 good for playing shadowrun?

>>55401716
Nope, pretty shit, in fact. Maptool's the best I've found.

>>55401627
Did they really hire an artist that had no idea how digitigrade legs work and not give any supervision? How does that horror even move around, it has to be hilarious to see!

>>55401716
Very good for it, I'm running a campaign right now and I've played in three that have used it.

Very nifty.

>>55401627
Well, I'll be damned. I did not see it anywhere, not in the Shadows In.. section either. Thanks chummer.

>>55401774
And yeah this cover art is underwhelming to say the least

>>55401824
>Well, I'll be damned. I did not see it anywhere, not in the Shadows In.. section either. Thanks chummer.
It might not be there, but I had it on hand, so now you don't have to give CGL money.

>>55401831
The CGL situation is so fucked.

>>55402060
No doubt.

Adept or Cyber for a B&E artist?

>>55397597
Low Blow.

>>55402640
depends on how frequent MW- and Cyberware scanners are in your campaign
more often -> better adept

>>55402640
Adept, but only if you take Masking.

>>55402640
Cyber always

If by B&E Artist you mean 16 dice in demolitions and 10 strength.

I found B&E meshes well with demo sams

>>55403128
Demolitions and Exotic Weapon (Chainsaw) really does give you the best bang for your buck.

>>55397597
Dwarfy-Punch-Punch.

>>55397597
Half Can (of kickass)

Which explosives give me the most bang for the buck in shadowrun?

>>55404052
Commercial Explosives are cheap enough and low enough avail to obtain without much difficulty, raise your demolition stat and they'll be just fine.

>>55404052
As long as you're good at Demolitions and take the time to tamp your explosives, commercial explosives will get most jobs done.

For everything else, there's spray cans of foamed plastic explosives.

>>55404052
Plastic explosives for when you need to go "fuck you", foamed explosives for all your quick explosives need. Det Cord High Yield to breach throught doors and the likes.

A good breacher/demoman has a tool for every situation.

What's the different between the "gaming" and "Matrix games" knowledge skills? Wouldn't they conceivably be used interchangeably?

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What kind of hive of scum and villainy could runners fleeing the JIS with japanacorp cops on their tails would end up in the Pacific? I was thinking of some really awful place, sort of like Black Lagoon's Roanapur, thriving with pirates and traffickers of all sorts. The idea is that they'll have to hitch a ride (by either cutting deals/working for some of the locals or as stowaways) somewhere out of sight, possibly in Africa.

>>55405449
Phillipines. Close enough to Australia to serve as a hub between Japanacorps trying to exploit the weirndess in the Outback, and all the other micronations around. Also pretty well positioned for shipping and piracy.


Failing that, there's always Singapore.

>>55405449
East side of Hong Kong is rife with pirates.
SEA war Zone. Somewhere in Vietnam?
Indonesia's pretty bad.
Singapore has no source material on it I think, so you can go wild with how messed up it is.

As far as Africa, ZA and Asamando are the only two who get coverage, with ZA now being run by a dragon who lives in Table Mountain.

>>55405383
Matrix Games is more narrow, while Gaming is less narrow.

>>55405449
Macau, Philippines, and plenty of places throughout Indonesia/Malaysia.

Basically anywhere on the South China Sea is going to be equal parts glitzy tourist bullshit and villainous, scummy hive.

>>55405542
Probably Corps central. High tech Island with AAA subsidiaries having their headquarters there.

>>55405542
>Singapore has no source material on it I think, so you can go wild with how messed up it is.
It's part of the Pacific Prosperity Group and has incorporated itself into a AA corporate citystate (you know, like what the Mafia did with Sicily, or what happened to Manhattan). That's all we really know about it one way or the other.

Islands really like to turn themselves into AAs in Shadowrun.

>>55399916
Or you can just implant the cyberweapon directly in your meat arm.

>>55400606
Orcs are max agility 6 max strength 8, that's availability 12 so it doesn't have to be used. That said it will still be fucking expensive.

>>55406466
That's almost never a worthwhile expenditure of essence compared to picking up a Partial to house it.

But yes, that's also an option.

>>55406482
You're right, I was thinking Strength 9 for some reason. In that case, it's viable. It'll really hurt your Essence without being able to go Alphaware with it, but viable. At 55k nuyen, you can make worse investments than an Arm of God.

Ideas for the next thread?

>>55407613
how deck prices should be balanced

>>55407613
would you fuck a dragon to spare your team?

>>55408044
Nigga I'd fuck a Dragon for free.

So I was looking through chummers patch notes, and I saw that adept ways were specifically changed to not cost double after chargen. I can't find a thing to point my gm at in street grimoire, was this errata? I can't find it online.

>>55407613
Family. When was the last time your runner called his/her parents?

>>55407613
Something that won't get grumpy autists snarling for a hundred posts.

>>55408227
So, breast implants and Metatype Reduction?

>>55407613
The Worst, i.e. things you hate the most.

>>55408326
Do we need an entire thread bitching about CGL though?

>>55408340
We can invite /btg/ over and make it a party.

>>55408358

May as well.

I propose we make the next thread about Urban Brawl or Arcadium Online

>>55407613
What A or AA corporations have people made and sharing them for other GMs to use.

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>>55408136
>Players can amend previously created characters and retroactively purchase a Way.

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>>55408652
I vote this, if only because I recently made an AA corp for my players to do runs for.

>>55408933
...I'll be honest, that sounds more like it refers to Adepts made before Ways came out.

>>55409087
It's the only reference and it sets precedence. Also face it, would you spend 40 karma for a Way post-chargen?

>>55409291
I find the Ways altogether underwhelming, so I wouldn't even pay their chargen cost.

>>55408975
>that .jpg
Did the Black Stig fake his death to run the shadows?

>>55409508
I'd watch the shit out of Top Run.

>>55409087
You can always buy positive qualities, so there's no other reason for it to be a thing.

>>55400896
Too skinny for a troll.

>>55409728
True, but I figure it was treating them like they treated Traditions in that, yeah, these options weren't around before, so if you wanna use 'em and retcon that it was always your thing, go ahead. No skin off my nose either way, just seemed odd.

>>55409752
>>55400896
No horns either.

>>55409881
You really don't think Metatype Reduction gets rid of horns? That's kind of the point of it.

>>55409934
I mean, it specifies everything except horns, but I suppose it's not entirely unreasonable when the end result is described as basically a giant human.

>>55409590
>Top Run.
>tonight, I make a deal with a dragon!
>Richard goes to Chicago!
>and James goes to a Stuffer Shack!

>>55410005
>Tonight! I point at a thing, Richard runs himself over, and James says hello to a troll!
"Hello"

>>55405449
Lagos. It has a section in 4e's feral cities book.

What are ways to hide from patrol ic besides going silent? is it possible to wrap your persona to look like the average wage slave in an office to fit in and be scanned less often?

>>55376458
Aside from Metropole, is this stuff in the trove?

I might be in a 4e game soon. I'm only used to 5E.

Any tips on making a street sam for that system?

>>55409987
Yeah but losing the horns is definitely level 2 and the tusks would go first. She has tusks but no horns and thus is an ork.

Is it worth getting lower cyberlegs for skimmers/armor on an ork, or will it be too expensive to get its stats up to his?

>>55409934
>You really don't think Metatype Reduction gets rid of horns?
Only Troll Reduction 2 removes the horns outright.

>>55410254
Yeah, it's in other various books. Spain is in the Complete Trog, Havana is in Hard Targets, and so on.

>>55410717
Are you planning on going melee?

If so, then yes, mobility enhancements are always worth it.

If not, then no, mobility enhancements aren't super vital.

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Would dermal plating remove or reduce a troll's skin condition?

>>55410757
>Dermal plating cannot be combined with other augmentations to the skin that provide armor, including orthoskin.
I'm about 80% sure that it would get replaced outright.

>>55410794
By RAW I am pretty sure (don't quote me, cause I could be wrong) Dermal plating works with troll skin (just looking bumpier) while orthoskin doesn't. Suggesting Dermal wouldn't mess with their skin condition while Ortho would. Remember, troll skin is not an augmentation in this case.

>>55410921
>>55410794
Anything that replaces or augments your skin is going to replace your dermal deposits.

>>55410995
You say that, but as I said, by RAW only Orthoskin mentions replacing a troll's skin deposits while Dermal plating doesn't. It wasn't errata'd so, yeah.

Personally Troll players get screwed enough, I let them have this one.

>>55411168
>Note that if a character takes cyberware or bioware, it may remove a particular racial bonus.

This isn't unique to orthoskin. Orthoskin just happens to be the example given.

Cyber eyes replace natural vision enhancements. Skin augmentations replace dermal deposits.

>>55411168
What martial art/weapon would you use to represent saber fighting? the horizon rapier and destraza?

>>55410757
>>55410921
>>55410995
>>55411168

Orthoskin replaces trollskin and dermal deposits. Dermal plating doesn't remove the dermal deposits, but you don't get their armor bonus any further.

>>55411168
>Troll players get screwed enough

They do? Why? Because of the high priority? They've got amazing attributes for a combat character.

>>55410717
The beauty of lower leg/arms is that you don't have to upgrade their stats, especially lower legs as you don't do a lot with your feet that doesn't involve the upper leg in some way.

>>55411392
Pretty much, they have a hard time capitalising on their stats because they have to suck up a B or an A on metatype, so they're kind of under-resourced.
Also melee is less effective than ranged combat so the high strength doesn't do that much for them Agility Reaction and Intuition are actually far more important to general combat effectiveness than Strength or Body.

>>55372081
I just finished my first character, except for one thing. How do I change my karma?

Sorry, I mean, how do I change my edge?

>>55411674
nm, found it.