/CofD/ & /wodg/ Chronicles of Darkness and World of Darkness

>>55371047
Themes: Out of the Frying Pan into the Fire; Chains, metaphorical and literal; Internet and Dreams; Greed, both Human and Fey
Mood: Futureshock

Important element for this to work would be incorporate human megacorporations with True Fae or Hedge. Any suggestions?

Just turned down a guy with "she was raped and now seeks revenge" character. I am doing it right, /cofd? Why do they keep sending me literal attack helicopters? I heard that wod attract friks of all sorts but it's simply getting ridiculous at this point. Not even one(!) normalfag character.

>>55371290
>Worst character deaths?
Trying to save friend from a weird rehab facility run by tick-people. We thought the pregnant nurse at the door was okay, turns out she'd just recently fed. Sold us out, I got latched with two or three of their 'spawn' and sent out into the world. Walked in front of a semi on the interstate just to end it rather than die drained, insane, and being an incubator for tick-people.

>>55371405
Why did you turn it down? A lot of people write trauma into their backstories, which is even more likely to occur considering the world of darkness itself. Was it just written in a cringe way?

>>55371405
What game are you running? And yeah, I would have turned it down too.

>>55371468
God-Machine Mortals

>>55371460
But it was like... a central concept of his character. All she was about is how she's 18, and had those parent problems, then raped the trained and now seeks revenge. I mean I specifically mentioned that if you dudes wanna play a chik then make her a fleshed out character, a person. No magic realms, no whoring. Though warlord, bitch criminal boos, professional prosecutor, mom with her kids killed, a hunter. Those are ok. But the bio he gave me...
>>55371468
Vampires

Anyone got the Fedora homebrew book?

>>55371290
>Players borrow car from another vampire
>Travel to another city
>Get caught up in the local conflict
>Stake another vamp and pack him into the trunk to interrogate him latter
>Return home and hand over the car forgetting they left a guy inside
So what was the important thing you forgot while playing(either as a player or as ST)

Why is it so easy for Mages to dish out Aggravated damage? They seem to be the biggest nukes. Everyone else is stuck with situational shit. Even worse, Mages can do it at sensory range and give it an AoE effect.

>>55373178
Define "easy".

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>>55371992
https://img.fireden.net/tg/image/1446/95/1446957588933.pdf

>>55373290
For a point of Mana and a single Reach, Unraveling becomes a bit much. Don't you think? Paradox hits aren't going to deter a Mage who really wants to kill that Vampire.

>>55371405
I didn't read the sheet, but your description about the pc doesn't seem bad at all. Not sure why you turned it down.

Who is the best artist for World of Darkness character inspiration and why is it Oingo Boingo?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lOtuZ00NkVE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nSDVK_snQIs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-pRROs8oerU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6lbmzbOTBZI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7AJMhFAxG98
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9l-DtidfD2M
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jm-upHSP9KU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=inxPwmXHC0E

>>55373564
Almost missed one.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GRIiXuYULbY

>>55373564
Good taste anon

>>55373654
Thank you!

>>55373683
Insanity is on my MtAw playlist and boy do I love it

>>55373702
Do you think it works as an analogy for a specific part of MtAw or just Awakening as a setting in general?

>>55373801
Also some of the tracks seem like they would fit surprisingly well for Beast.

>>55373351
Not really. It's not as easy as you make it out to be. You have to pay 15 Experiences to get to Adept level from character creation, or go into the game with absolutely no Merits and then pay 5. It's also still subject to spellcasting and Paradox rules, so it's not like Unraveling spells will be an instant win. An Adept can only up the Potency by 3 for free, and then beyond that he has to take penalties and use yantras if he wants to spell to be especially powerful and reliable. So with no penalties that's 4 agg damage. Aimed spells can always miss. At Adept level, using Reach for sensory range on top of instant casting and agg damage means at least 6 Paradox dice you have to contend with, meaning the spell will either be expensive, warped, or hit you with resistant bashing damage. And can still potentially stick you with a Paradox Condition. And it would of course take more penalties or more Reach (meaning at least another 3 Paradox die) to make the spell aoe.

It's doable, but not exactly "easy".

>>55373801
Hmm imho you could fit it either with Banisher who was badly scared by his awakening or order mage who has particular problem with the fallen world and the way exarchs control it.

>>55373351
It's easier to lock enemies down than blow them up. It's also far more dangerous. Mages end threats, they don't make fireworks.

Don't werewolves have the easiest access to agg damage, from a mechanical standpoint? All they have to do is eat you.

I'll try asking again since my post was right at the end of the thread. My only experience with WoD is from playing Vtmb, but it got me wondering about the lore of Vampires. Specifically, how do vampires deal with summer? I'm talking lorewise. In game, it's always night, and I imagine you guys take liberties with time in your game sessions except for when tension is needed. For a good chunk of the year, it's only truly dark outside for a couple of hours. I imagine vampires can barely manage to go outside for a sip of blood before they have to start running for safety, or just stay in their havens for several months each year and rely solely on their ghouls. Do they just have longer nights since it's, y'know, the World of Darkness?

>>55374908
Many vampires keep ghoul retainers, or otherwise have people in their employ, to take care of things for them during daylight hours. The answer is kind of simple. Allowances are obviously made for the story in the sense that your ST probably won't be keeping a totally strict and realistic deadline for you, but vampires just go out when they can, and make it back to a safe place before sunrise.

Anyone shared CtD20 yet?

>>55374902
That would require them to actually get you down. It's not that practical.

Mages get it the "easiest", but it's still not *easy* per se. Well, not usually.

>>55374908
The nights are the same in the WoD. Vampires probably prefer Winter over Summer for that very reason.

>>55374908
If vampires have a mage as a buddy, they could get them to make a 'sunlight protection' artifact.

But vampires fear wizards, so it's highly unlikely.

>>55374902
Only works on humans, spirits and other uratha.

>>55375681
No beasts have the easiest access to aggravated damage through limb from limb and lair traits

So a Gangrel w/ 'claws of the unholy' frenzies and the Rahu enters death rage. They both tear into each other. Who wins?

>>55375812
Debateable. Though I did consider it.

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>>55375855
The Mastigos hiding in the bushes. Responsible for instigating the encounter.

>>55375750
>But vampires fear wizards, so it's highly unlikely.

In the CofD, unlike WOD, there's no inherent or default antagonism among the various templates. The splats are generally assumed to mind their own business, and any individual or greater relations are left solely to the discretion of individual chronicles.

"Vampires fear wizards" only to the extent that mages actually know about vampires and possess the supernatural wherewithal to defend themselves against their machinations.

A "sunlight protection artifact" is a bad idea for no other reasons than the mage would be inviting unwanted attention to himself and other mages, with other mages very likely to stop such a foolish idea and castigate the offending mage.

>>55375878
Was getting at OWoD, not CofD. Don't know enough about the latter to refute or debate you further.

>>55375878
>A "sunlight protection artifact" is a bad idea for no other reasons than the mage would be inviting unwanted attention to himself and other mages, with other mages very likely to stop such a foolish idea and castigate the offending mage.

This is assuming the Forces Mage in-question is handing them out like candy, which just won't be the case. A single artifact, or a couple, isn't going to start drawing nosey nosers.

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I don't buy the idea that "mages are ignorant about other supernaturals", myself.

Likewise of the opposite. It's a shared setting.

>>55375795
>Only works on humans, spirits and other uratha.

Mages are humans.

>>55375974
>>55375750

While a Forces sunlight protect magical item would protect a vampire against the damage caused by sunlight, would it also prevent the physiological and psychological pull of the daysleep?

>>55375873
>The Mastigos hiding in the bushes. Responsible for instigating the encounter.

Nope. it would be the douche Acanthus who set his plan in motion for the Mastigos to manipulate the woof and leech.

>>55376126
Good question. Maybe Mind would help.

>>55376126
I doubt it. It also wouldn't prevent them from frenzying under direct sunlight.

>>55376126
If the Forces Mage also has Mind, then yes. Otherwise, nope.

>>55375995
Every single Order Mage has at least 1 dot in Occult, so the thought of them being ignorant about other Supernaturals is pretty fucking retarded.

Sure they might not all know about the intricacies of the Vampiric Curse, or of the existence of Prometheans, or where a Demon gets their Covers.

But Mages being ignorant of other Supernaturals is retarded bullshit from oWoD.

>>55376262

Is there a qualitative or quantitative difference in the extent and accuracy of the information possessed by different beings all with Occult X.

For instance, would a mage with Occult 2 really know the same things as a plain vanilla human with Occult 2?

>>55376191
>>55376253

Would Mind be enough to circumvent a vampire's need for daysleep?

Isn't daysleep a physical component of the vampiric curse?

In additional to Forces, I would probably require both Mind and Death.

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>>55376262

>>55376065
Not for the purpose of eating for essence

>>55376308
I wouldn't say so.

I mean really CofD doesn't really have the best rules for differentiating levels of knowledge within their dot and test system.

I guess Mages just have more opportunity to 'fact check' the results of their Occult tests than Mages, who have to stake their lives on whether they're in the know or not.

>>55376334
A vampire could probably pull it off for a single 'day', but that's pushing it.

All of use here could stay up 48 hours, but that's not very healthy now is it?

>>55376262
I imagine you'd only need to visit the Mysterium to learn about the other Templates.

>>55375858
How do you figure mages and werewolves have easier access especially since mages have to be adepts and woofs only work on a very limited amount of splats?

>>55376390
Don't expect to get that information for free.
Remember, the Mysterium only gives information to the worthy.
Which in most cases means "people who do favours for them".

This thread is dangerously close to another splat war

>>55376390
You'd probably have better luck, if not necessarily as wide or extensive a selection, at your local Free Council Lorehouse.

>>55376460
Really? I feel that it's running the smoothest it has in a very long time.

>>55376457
>"I want to know more about this woofs. I want them dead. I refuse to say why"
>"Don't care for the 'whys', I will give you the rundown as long as you bring me back their corpses. For reasons"

Done

>>55376460
It's not like it matters. Magefags will win it. Like they always do.

Was it ever revealed what the Secret Concord in the Boston stuff actually is? I heard it was really lame.

>>55376470
Yeah, just wait until all the shitposters wake up.

>>55376484
According to this >>55373883
Not really.

>>55376484
Could we not start?

The talk on splats working together has been great. >>55376495

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>>55376509
>anon thinks aggravated damage is what gives mages an edge over the others

>>55376519
>splats working together
We are the World (of Darkness)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M9BNoNFKCBI

>>55376519
Woops, missclicked for the second one.

>>55376524
Sounds like something a werewolf fag would think.

>>55376539
Ah, got it, just one guy trying to instigate splat wars way too hard.

>>55376463
>visiting the local Free Council Lorehouse.

I would rather fornicate with the Abyss.

Not only do the Free Council still expect something of "value" like cold hard cash for access to non-members, but you're just as likely to find useless Sleeper crap than items and resources of legitimate supernatural value.

If you want DVD's of all Sleeper movies about werewolves, visit the Lorehouse, if you want good information and assistance in learning about and combatting werewolves, you talk to the Mysterium (or maybe the local Arrows).

Has anyone watch the new NBC show, Midnight Texas?

Does it have any good inspirations for CofD?

>>55376601
Mysterium has it's own issues, didn't think of Arrows though. That's a pretty solid idea for finding weaknesses.

>>55376622
If by inspiration you mean a mary sue vampire and what looks like your average cross over chronicle idea, then yes.

>>55376622
>>55376650
Also with the gypsy focus its more OWoD than CofD.

>>55376630

The local Arrow might not be able to give you a lecture on werewolf pack structure or politics, but they're a wealth of information about killin' supernatural stuff.

However, they're going to want to know the who and why about your werewolf hunting. On the plus side, if they agree with you, they just might offer some active assistance.

>>55376539
Werefaggots still sore over the kinetic shield discussions

>>55376650
>>55376665

Isn't there a witch character in Midnight Texas.

Is she in any way similar or representative of Awakening mages?

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Reminder that werewolves only think with their claws

>>55376701

Stop making fun of woofs,

As an enlightened and superior being like a mage, you should not needlessly or gratuitously demean lesser species and animals.

A truly cultured mage always has a sense of noblesse oblige.

>>55376741
Finally, someone who gets it! Its not their fault their splat sucks, they were chargen'd that way.

>>55376741
>Stop making fun of woofs

Indeed. Any vitriol should be saved for those filthy, parisitic undead leeches.

>>55376690
>Is she in any way similar or representative of Awakening mages?
No, nothing about any of the magical practices in Midnight correspond to Awakening in anyway, because Awakening is boring and not based in any real practices, unlike OWoD

>>55374908
If you can stay awake, you can do stuff during the day, provided you're fully protected from the sun. A basement office is nice to have.

>>55376874

Is the witch in Midnight Texas representative of Ascension mages, and if so, what Tradition?

>>55376158
Acanthus only doin' it cuz an Obrimos duel arcaned him.
Obrimos only doin' it cuz a Thyrsus healed him.
Thyrsus only doin' it cuz a Moros paid him.

>>55376262
Or good sense from nocrossoverland.

>>55376874
That's absolutely hilarious. Because katanas, trenchcoats, cyborgs, and wuxia kung fu just scream real world occultism, right?

>>55376897
She kinda reminds me of a Verbena, but more likely fits one of the crafts that I'm less than familiar with.

>>55376937
Yes, in fact they do. Because real world occultism is filled with retards who think their magic is real.

>>55376948
>retards who think their magic is real
That does sound like Ascension.

>>55376937
Yeah far more than awakening DaveB cocksucker.

I've been playing a bit of Vamp and mortal recently.
But i want to try a something new, wich system would you suggest for a new WoD player?

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>>55376948
While you wasted your time dating girls I studied Vicissitude

>>55376974
How do you manage to type when you're bent over and taking father's thrusting cock?

>>55376975
If you've already got Vampire under your belt, you might as well see what all the Mage fuss is about.

>>55376988
Literally no one likes that book.

>>55377002
It's still Ascension though, isn't it?

>>55376975
Avoid Ascension like the retarded plague it is.

>>55377087
Not really, no. Its lack of rules really makes it not even an RPG book.

Mage is a better gameline than Vampire

Don't listen to the fat goths

>>55377241
I could have sworn it was officially published and canon material for Mage: The Ascension.

>>55377368
I really wish Mage had its own thread

>>55377447
We're a part of you as much as you're a part of us.

There is no way out of this.

>>55377447
All attempts made on that front failed and backfired horribly. Just man up or leave.

>>55377380
Nope, 5th edition will surely invalidate everything Brucato tried to do with his antisemitic 4th edition.

>>55377572
Is 5th edition here yet?

>>55377513
Yeah it sure is great that the most story-driven RPG available is fucking shunted into the same thread as the autistic superhero builder RPG just because their shit writers decide they need to be in the same universe.
Why don't we get fucking Exalted in here too so the ERPers can get into fights with the character planners about whose splat is the strongest supernatural evew

>>55377588
I actually think it's thematically appropriate that wizards are stronger than vampires, werewolves, fairies, etc.

It's also quite thematic that they share the same setting. It'd be strange if they didn't. Be honest.

>>55377588
I know it sucks that incredible RPGs like Mage have to share threads with autistic superhero and revenge fantasies like Beast and Vampire, but there's no reason to be so upset.

Just don't cross over. Jesus Christ. This is like watching Edward Scissorhands fail to solve the Gordian Knot.

I'm only familiar with Bloodlines. How bad is balance?

>>55377637
I must have missed the part where Mages were wizards and not human-shaped voids for rollplaying anime-fans to jack off about power levels into.
Actual wizards do exist in the setting anyway so it's not like shoving Mage in with Exalted where it belongs changes that.

>>55377791
>Actual wizards do exist in the setting anyway

Yes. Mages.

>>55377777
A fucking waste

>>55377791
Could you be crying any harder?

>>55377777
The splats aren't balanced with each other at all, and don't care to be. Which is the reason for half the whining about Mage.

What is the worst published werewolf lodge?

>>55377923
Why do Magefags get so defensive when someone implies their RPG is shitty?

>>55377961
In apocalypse at least half of them including the gay, lesbian, transvestite and drunken Irishman lodges.

>>55378001
Let's say Forsaken then

Is it wrong that I always end up playing a combat focused Rahu, Blood Talon?

I know werewolf can be more than just murder-fucking your problems away but goddammit the best part of being a werewolf is murder fucking.

>>55378040
But there's so many ways to murder fuck. You've never thought about being a sneaky murder fucker who wears the skins of his victims to impersonate them? Or the occult murder fucker who kills with spirits of elevators and fire? Or the overkill murder fucker who causes a major natural disaster just to create more favorable hunting conditions against a single target?

>>55378040
Irraka and Cahalith especially can be just as killy as a rahu.

Hello. I come from the past. Has the Mage FAQ been released yet?

>>55377978
Because it's not shitty? The only reason people keep screeching at the thing is because of 'muh powerlevels'

>>55378214
Jump forward another hundred years.

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>>55371355
Tad Williams?
That you?

>>55374902
I'd argue it was vampires with claws of the unholy and coil of the ascendant.

How do you feel about faithpopping up in games? Does it ever effect things like prayers being answered or miracles happening?

>>55378502
>claws of the unholy
too situational

>>55376308
Sadly, no. Closest thing we've gotten was the Occult scale in Inferno. Someone with occult 5 and a speciality in demonology can basically quote the book in game.

>>55378524
Ride the wave. It's combat. Coil of the wyrm for that, rather than ascendant. Typo.

>>55378509
If it works. It has a very mechanical place and thematic one in owod. nwod restricts it to IMPLICATIONS, but hey. If it fits the game theme and contributes to the fun..

Do any other splats have 'instant kill' abilities? Or only Mages?

>>55378636
Demons and mummys both have instakills.

>>55378636
Not in the way that Mages do, no.

ES Unmaking can't be Withstood *at all*. Unless you have sufficient anti-magic, you're as good as gone.

>>55378871
Demons can only instant-kill Extras.

Utterances will fuck you up, but can still be Clashed and/or defended against.

>>55378871
But a demon can't knock out a vampire in one punch

>>55379086
Eh. We need to ask DaveB about that, mostly because the practice is said to be 'always withstood'. Two separate parts of the book saying separate things.

Is decapitation instant 'death' for a vampire?

>>55379112
You are retarded.

>>55379112
Its already been discussed, es blast through withstand, deal with it

>>55379123
No, headless vampires become more Powerful

>>55379135
>>55379132
Es offers 'no withstand'. Practice itself says that it is 'always withstood'. Neither directly reference the other. Short of a clarification in the faq or the komodo descending from on high? It's unclear.

>>55379155
You are seriously retarded. That just means that the spell has something its working against. The exceptional success rules allow you to bypass that. Its not some magic exception to the rules. In summary, you are retarded.

>>55379155
read the fucking book

>The spell ignores any Withstand levels and takes effect at full Potency.

IGNORES

>>55379196
>>55379200
Okay. Other spells are also withstood, but not directly referenced in the practice. So until what I mentioned above comes about, it's unclear.

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>>55379155
Suck my balls.

>>55379210
That fucking means that every practice of unmaking spell has to factor in a withstand. That's just a guide for creative thaum, NOT SOMETHING THAT CHANGES THE OTHER RULES OF THE GAME
Seriously, you are just straight up retarded.

>>55379222
Then why didn't you just post that?

>>55379238
Probably because if you aren't retarded its obvious.

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>>55379155
You're a cunt for being this retarded. Go away and never come back.

>>55379248
>>55379252
Any reason you're so desperate to express dominance?

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Magefags and their citations. Ain't no way around it.

>>55379264
Express dominance? No. This is you being a fucking retard.

Probably because some subconscious facet of that potato brain of yours doesn't want to accept how bullshit Mage is in application regarding the other splats

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>>55376741

>>55379238
How hard was it to advanced search the opp forums??

You should have done it yourself before opening your retarded cunt mouth.

So i had an advantage as i had read that before but still, its not fucking hard to go check something before sounding like a retard.

>>55379288
Are you sure? I'm pretty sure I didn't reference any other splats, just two pieces of ruling that needed clarification since they didn't reference each other. But you're incredibly hostile for the internet. Why is it so distressing that you forget you have an immediate answer there that would shut down any further posting? Does it rile you so much?

>>55379264
See 3.PF threads, it's the exact same mentality.

>>55379313
Nothing needed clarification, you horrid asswipe.

It was all right there in the fucking core.

>>55379313
You are literally the only person who thinks they don't reference each other, because you are retarded.

>>55379328
Well to be fair somebody else did ask on the opp forum also.

It just means there are multiple retards out there.

>>55379323
>>55379328

But it wasn't, since neither directly referenced each other. Maybe you should take a step back if this is so much for you and calm down, so we can talk normally?

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>>55379338
What part of
>The spell ignores any Withstand levels and takes effect at full Potency
don't you understand?

>>55379378
Because the other part said that it was 'always withstood' despite other practices not doing so. As this didn't mention exceptional successes, and that portion of the book didn't mention the practice for clarification.

>>55379400
So you're just a special little bitch who can't differentiate common sense from RAW?

>>55379400
It is still withstood, the spell now just ignores the withstand.

What part of this dont you get? You are a real dipshit.

>>55379417
>>55379423
See, here's that aggression again. Even for the internet, it's a little silly. You've managed to turn a one post response with that picture one of you had into this, just because you were too invested in it. You're even making me repeat my posts because you're too worked up to read them.

>>55379439
I'm not invested, you are just being retarded and wrong and keep being retarded with every new post. I'm waiting for tv shows to download. All I have to do tonight is call you a retard. IDK about the other 2-3 anons that also think you are a retard though.

>>55379439
Read what? You've barely typed anything of note.

>>55379459
>>55379458
Well, I've had to repeat the same thing a few times now and you just don't seem to understand the same sentence. And you were so worked up, that you just said 'no, that's wrong' without providing any references until someone posted that image, which was really all that needed to be done. Even mentioned it in my original post.

At least you two seem to be calming down, so that's good. It's probably not healthy.

>>55379439
>Rules for how withstand works.
>Rules for Unmaking ALWAYS being withstood
>Rules for ES ignoring ALL withstands.

ES doesnt mention unmaking specifically so anon goes full retard.

You must be a fucking pleasure to be in games with..

>>55379477
Nobody even needed to post any such image. Because it's all in the book.

>>55379489
Anon, it isn't. I've mentioned before that neither directly reference each other or point out which takes precedence. This is what I'm talking about when I'm saying you're not reading.

>>55379502
They dont need to directly reference each other, there is no conflict.

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>>55379502

>>55379510
Well, I find myself inclined to disagree from reading both. One says isn't, one says always. Or I did, before that image was posted and all of this shook out.

>>55379502
Except it is. Shall I direct you to the page describing what Exceptional Successes do?

>>55379529
And there's another page mentioning that they're 'always' withstood. Anon, we can go around in circles all day for no reason. It's silly.

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>>55379525
It's always Withstood until an ES is thrown in. What's so hard to grasp, Anon?

>>55379525
One says always withstand, fine put a withstand rating in. Then ES says ignore withstand. So do that.

ES happens once the withstand has been put in place and after dice rolling, you then choose to ignore the withstand put in place by it being a unmaking spell.

Fucking retarded asshole.

>>55379553
Because neither of them directly referenced each other, since withstanding wasn't mentioned in other practices. And now that other image has posted with a reference from the developer, clearing it up, and the guy below you is getting worked up again.

>>55379566
What does referencing each other have to do with anything?

its not mentioned in other practices because unmaking always being withstood is unique to unmaking spells. This doesnt change the default withstand or ES mechanics.

>>55379585
Because one said it was always withstood. The other claimed to bypass withstand. Metarules about which rules take precedence aren't exactly printed in the book.

>>55379601
You are an honest-to-god retard, I swear.

>>55379601
Precedence is already implied.

Add withstand
decide spell factorss, Cast spell, roll dice.
get ES
decide if you have more potency than withstand and choose to take a arcance beat or mana OR choose to ignore it.

Simple. You are just retarded, go back to something simpler like the book of "ABC's"

>>55379654
>>55379651
Precedence isn't implied, but this is the sort of thing we can say "It is." and "No, It isn't" over and over again getting nowhere because of the lack of evidence either way. Not to mention that it's all been resolved above. I'm not quite sure why this is so emotionally upsetting for you both.

>>55379601
By the time you have to decide what to spend the ES on the spell already has hada withstand rating added to it.

You must have thought they add withstand rating to spells AFTER being cast then if you think there is any precedence issues?

>>55379693
Not at all. It goes back to the fact that neither reference each other. When one says that it ignores withstand, and the other says it is always withstood, clarification is desired.

>>55379685
That would only apply is one said "Add a withstand" and the other said "Remove a Withstand"

You can both add something and ignore it at the same time you fuck nut.

>>55379685
Did you completely miss the prior screencap, where DaveB, the man who developed the fucking book mentions that an Master with a rote, due to their exceptional chances of achieving an Exceptional Success, will compeltely fuck over anyone he targets with such a spell?

Because his Exceptional Success ignore the defender's Withstand?

>>55379714
No, I didn't miss the screencap. We cleared that up a while ago. You, or the other, was asking why I thought that. I've explained that in a few posts, now, but I think it might be slipping past so I've explained again.

>>55379714
Not all people accept unofficial faqs on forums.

>>55379735
Not all people can read and understand simple RAW rules apparently either.

"Add Withstand" then "Ignore it" is not "Add withstand" and "Remove withstand" cycle.

>>55379714
I wonder at what point a praxis becomes better for a Master mage over a rote.

Rotes will give him only 1 free reach, a good yantra and reroll if he made it, praxis means ES on 3 successes.

Masters start with at least 10 dice, + yantras + willpower - spell factors. Somebody should do the maths...

>>55379760
I'm not the other anon, dickwaffle.

>>55379773
Assuming unmaking and trying to bypass withstands via ES's

>>55379773
It was already done. Rotes are better overall. It's still situational.

>>55379773

Masters do not the free Reach from a Rote, they get the Rote Quality to the roll, and then only if they invented the Rote.

>>55379773
Master-made Rotes are just so much better than Praxis

>>55379794
He does get 1 free reach from the rote, but he also gets the same 1 free reach from having 5 in the arcana so its the same free reach.

Just because he is a master doesnt stop him getting free reachs from a rote, its just no benefit.

Suck my balls.

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>>55379808

A master with a Praxis for a spell of instant death sounds like a low Wisdom scary motherfucker.

>>55377588
>>55377791

How would Mage in Exalted work?

Wouldn't almost any effect they do be consenual?

>>55379859
>low wisdom
who cares its not a morality scale anymore anon

>>55379859
Or a high Wisdom scary motherfucker if it's an Inure instead.

>>55379859
Rotes are scarier.

>>55379874
"Psh yeah sometimes the wrong person dies but that's magic for ya. Hey tag along with me while I ace a dude."

>>55379890
Only if made by the mage using it for the reroll, otherwise instant casting using only 1 reflexive yantra at similar levels id say praxis is better. (ie rote yantra +4/5, shadow name for +4)

>>55379890

Praxes are personal expressions of a mage and their magic. A rote is the exact opposite in many ways.

A mage who develops a spell like an instant death making or making effect as a Praxis says a lot about the particular mage.

>>55379950
Except it's like that for Rotes as well. You don't just *make* them. You have to have experience with its specific effect.

>>55379931

Rote Mundra can achieve a +6 Yantra bonus, +5 max for the Mudra skill and another +1 if the uses an Order rote skill specialty.

>>55379967

Yes, but only if it's a Rote created by the mage using it.

>>55379987
Is that not what we've been discussing? Self made Rotes?

>>55379978
Still 16 dice needing 5 with reroll vs 14 dice needing 3?

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>>55379086
What is pillar of salt dumbass mage fag
Also it is hard as fuck to clash against something that has a power stat of 10.

>>55380025
2/10 bait

I see the shitposters woke up while I was gone.

>>55380025
Yes. Instantaneous effects winning a Clash against a Duration-primary Shielding effect.

Of cooooourse, Anon. :^)

>>55380038
I want the Bible rewritten in this dialect though.

Lot was getting the fuck out of gay Sodom when his dumb cunt wife looked back at the faggotry and got turned into a motherfucking pillar of salt bitch, stupid faggots better listen to God or it's lightning up the pooper

>>55380025
Archmages autowin clashes vs powerstat 10 mummy

So not that hard.

>>55380022
Self-made Rotes can garner over 90-perfect chances of getting Exceptional Successes, yes.

Rotes are only better than Praxis if the Master in-question made them.

>>55380079
Is this factoring in casting from a grimoire?

>>55380074
>Mummy
>God

So you just haven't even read it then, huh?

>>55380086
No?

>>55380086
A self-made Rote grants the rote quality, in addition to its potent Yantra.

So you can reroll every single failed die.

>>55380038
>>55380048
>proceeds to get BTFO
>y-your baiting me!
>>55380049
You have zero idea about how utterances work do you kid? Also pillar of salt can't be withstood period

>>55380086
Grimoire gives anybody using it the rote action but takes ritual time.

Self mage rotes give rote action to the caster always.

>Casting a Rote from a Grimoire rather than from memory, or casting a Rote she designed herself, gives the mage’s spellcasting dice pool the rote quality.

>>55380101
Go read the mage/mummy crossover.

Cry yourself to sleep. Mage supremacy.

>>55380101
>Also pillar of salt can't be withstood period

...Only Awakened magic is Withstood

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>>55380076
>oh Fuck I am losing this discussion about master mages. Time to bring out the archmaster big guns despite no one saying shit about them!

>>55380116
You mean I should read how utterances can't be counterspelled?

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>>55380101
I was including the immature magefags when I said "shitposters". You're all the same to me. Doesn't matter what splat comes before the "fag".

>>55380101
Did you just skim Mummy 1e hoping to one-up the Magefags?

Newsflash, there's a Mage/Mummy crossover supplement out. I suggest you take a gander at it. Utterances are all Clashed now.

>>55380123
retard starts talking about mummies while obviously knowing nothing about them and trying to bait

>confusing withstand with clashes

decide archmage bait is better.

There really no need to play the archmaster card when mage masters are already the baddest motherfuckers on the supernatural block, only potentially best by true god-level beings.

>>55380144
Utterances can't be countered anymore than Disciplines or Gifts. Only the effects. That's what the passage said. Unless you're referring to something else.

>>55380144
They can be clashed though you stupid motherfucking. one wonders if you have just heard the words withstand and counterspell and have no idea what the fuck you are talking about.

Shut up before you embarrass yourself.

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>mfw mage is the only splat to have a god tier template

>>55380152
>A supplement written by the king of Magefags and designed to shit on Mummies.
>>55380161
Yeah and the master has 5 in all arcana, rotes for every spell and a gnosis of 10

>>55380169
>Shut up before you embarrass yourself.
Too late.

>>55380196
Doesnt need gnosis 10, 5 is enough to snuff out a mummy instantly with no way of stopping him.

>>55380169
>anon so mad he can't even type properly
SEETHING

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LO AND BEHOLD

>>55376460 WAS RIGHT

>>55380215
>what is a phone.

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>>55380196
>>A supplement written by the king of Magefags and designed to shit on Mummies.
Dave wrote the Mummy/Mage book? Wow, something about Mummy that might actually be worth reading? I thought I'd never see the day.

>>55380213
And a mummy can do the same thing. And you forget you need 5 in death to try and unmake a mummy anyway. Any other mage is getting shit stomped.

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>>55380225
>mobileposting

>>55380240
how does it feel being the only person who has read mummy?

>>55380233
It's awesome! It's s circlejerk about how mummys shouldn't mess with the wise for fear of being annihilated

>>55380240
You don't need Death, exclusively, no. A couple other Arcana can do it.

>>55380255
Might as well take a shit while reading shit.

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Splat-wars again? *sigh* Here, have a taste of Dave.

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>>55380258
Better than the Marvel magic/Matrix crossover that is Awakening

>>55380272
>communicating while on the toilet
Absolutely disgusting. Were you raised by savages?

>>55380284
That actually sounds more like an Ascension Archmage.

>>55380266
What other arcana can unmake a mummy?
>>55380280
Not only do most demons have more than one cover now you just pissed off a primium 10 monstrosity that can fuck you sideways depending on the powers of the Loud form.

>>55380280
>Dave says Mages fuck over Mages and Mummies

WELP. Discussion's over, folks.

>>55380284
Yeh and that new mummy movie did about as well as the rpg.

high praise for mage indeed if you compare it to marvel and the matrix, mostly all awesome movies.

>>55380315
Demons and Mummies* rather

>>55380310
>loud demon
just have to wait long enough to get rank 5 angels to help you.

>>55380310
Too bad the Demon probably won't be going back near the thing that endangers its covers, it also won't be going loud to deal with it as that's a wonderful way to commit suicide by Angel, is it not?

>>55380310
Nah, Mages > Demons & Mummies

:^)

It's absolutely hilarious how much Mage can trigger people

If OWoD was anything to go by, is it any real wonder why Mages are the strongest things playable in the setting?

>>55380320
Neither of those movies fit in with the CofD. Mage needs to fuck off to Exalted and suck off Solar Exalted dicks. That is where your gameline belongs

>>55380354
Your opinion has been noted.

>>55380333
>>55380337
So now you are bringing Angels into This? Moving the goalposts much? Find there is a bunch of sleepers around watching this fight so if you try anything a bunch of abyssal entities are gonna slap your shit.

>>55380353
>It's absolutely hilarious how much Mage can trigger people
Babies cry. It's what they do.

>>55380383
Yeah. You're right. Why bring Angels when the Mage could just Unmake the guy.

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>>55380383

>>55380383
mage doesnt need to over reach to end a mummy so only 1 paradox dice from sleepers around.

get rektd.

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>>55380417
Back at (you)

>>55380106
Isn't it twice your Gnosis derived ritual time? It's why some Mages go full cartoon villain and make grimoires out of human flesh. So they can get the benefits of casting from a grimoire without the downside.

>>55380428
You need to make it instant cast and sensory and up the size factor because demon form is huge.

>>55380431
That's an extremely hypocritical reaction image.

Just one man's opinion.

>>55380446
How you figure?

>>55380435
Its x2 total time.

>>55380460
Yeesh, Gnosis 1-2 is rough.

>>55380443
You can use the free Reach to Instant Cast, aim the spell, and you don't need to Reach to up the scale factor, only to make it Advanced. Is the demon form the size of a large building? If not, no Reach required.

>>55380443
And this means a abyss spirit is going to show up does it?

When the mage can just spend mana to negate all that shit or eat it.

>>55380458
Because of the extreme autism going around because people can't accept Mage's power level?

>>55380472
>Using an aimed spell against something that can stop time.
>>55380473
Yeah why not? If level 5 hunter killer angels are all of sudden going to immediately come attack why not an abyssal entity?

>>55380435
>ome Mages go full cartoon villain and make grimoires out of human flesh

How else do you propose the mage punish the imbecile who bumped into him on the sidewalk??

>>55380483
More like people don't accept the mage fags idea that mages are so much higher than the other splats that they have nothing to fear from anything but themselves which is complete bullshit.

So its been weeks? or months for the ST vault to open. Has anything good been written in it or is it all fan fic fish malk shit?

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>>55380505

>>55380527
The primary antagonists for Mages are themselves and other Mages, yes.

>>55380504
>>Using an aimed spell against something that can stop time.
Aimed spell rolls are a reflexive action, and take place on the same turn that the spell is cast.

>Yeah why not? If level 5 hunter killer angels are all of sudden going to immediately come attack why not an abyssal entity?
Not him, but because Mages aren't actively hunted by Abyssal entities, and they're only summoned by the most extreme of Paradoxes? I mean is it or is it not a thing that going Loud attracts Angels to the Demon, making going Loud an absolute last resort?

>>55380527
And they would be wrong.

Have yet to see anything on here to prove otherwise.

Woof woof, claw claw.

If mage is so good than how come 2e doesn't have a single decent actual play? Even forsaken has a few by now.

>>55380527
Sorry, let me rephrase it to be more accurate to you.

"Because of the extreme autism going around because people are too stupid and immature to ignore bullshit".

>>55380559
>forsaken
>good

thats perfect, please provide a link so i can text search "claw" and laugh my ass off.

>>55380559
I wanna see some Forsaken 2e actual plays, where they at?

A question for Vampire: Masquerde players, if you don't mind.

Is it rather usual for characters in creation to have to be directly related to historical events, like a thing that lets them feel legitimate or what? I'm not talking about having been in X or Y war or through an era, which is mandatory to mention but to actual historical, named people, actual direct references of events and such. Is this a thing I was never aware of?

>>55380545
Yeah and that doesn't mean that a master has nothing to fear from a fresh mummy or an alpha pack of werewolves.
>>55380549
Nice shitpost kid. You are not making the Mage fanbase look any better.

>>55380583
its a thing oWoD had a habit of making all important people one splat or the other.

>>55380559
Where? The ones I've seen haven't really grabbed me. Kind of boring, or the characters were snowflakey. Like in Rock City.

>>55380577
>>55380576
Not that anon but the Seventh Seal is pretty good and best of all no mages in that chronicle

>>55380596
pack of werewolves cant get past his kinetic shield anon

we established this weeks ago

>>55380606
>not liking Detroit Rock City
The only character that came close to being a snowflake was the itheur girl

>>55380596
A fresh Mummy? Sure, definitely.

A Pack of Werewolves? A Master is going to send them flying.

>>55380597
No no, I'm not talking about splat books but about players, like actual players having to mention this one guy or family or some jack shit into their own character backstories for vampires.

>>55380596
He really isn't wrong though, is he? I'm not saying that Masters are untouchable gods, but I've seen no good arguments proving that other splats can be good threats to them, even though I'm sure they can be.

Most of the arguments I've seen against Mages are usually inaccurate (like the Rebuke the Vizier stuff, or the insta-kill Utterance) or just insanely ignorant of Mage's rules.

>>55380628
One why are you assuming the master has dots in forces and two there are a shit ton of gifts and fetishes that would bypass a shitty shielding spell.

>>55380617
>>55380631

Links

Im not diving into that cess pit of rpgnet for them

>>55380631
Eh, the weak girl at the start struck me as kind of snowflakey, and I didn't really read much into it. Like I said, didn't grab me.

>>55380645
>he thinks mastery of forces is mandatory to deal with a pack of woofs

>shit ton of gifts and fetishes that would bypass a shitty shielding spell
name em

>>55380645
Why are you assuming any arcana doesnt have multiple ways to welp a woof pack?

>>55380640
Rebuke the Vizier and the instant kill would not work on a Archmasters but why would it not work on a normal master?

>>55380638
>>55380583
I still don't understand the question. Are you asking "Do vampire chars have ties to real world historical figures?" or "Do vampire chars have ties to family or other non-vampires frequently?"

The answer to the former is "No, but its not that unusual as long as the relationship is sufficiently defused or justified" the answer to the latter is "Yes, but its not strictly necessary."

>>55380665
Rebuke the Vizier is explicitly Clashed.
All Utterances are capable of being Clashed.

Really, read the Mage/Mummy crossover.

>>55380645
>One why are you assuming the master has dots in forces
It's not unlikely that the Master has 2-3 dots in Forces, or is an Obrimos Master.

>there are a shit ton of gifts and fetishes that would bypass a shitty shielding spell.
Like what? Shielding spells explicitly Clash against supernatural attacks or other effects under their purview. Spirit Shielding explicitly defends against Gifts and Numina.

>>55380660
Gift of elements, that fetish that automatically kills magical beings, End of Story gift etc.
>>55380661
Because they all don't. Not much a death or prime master can do against a pack of 5 wolves

>>55380665
It could work, but it is Clashed and Masters do well in Clashes.

>>55380695
Oh you are one of those mage fags that make the mage in question have access to all 10 arcana. Nevermind no use talking to you.
>>55380683
So how is the master winning a clash against a fresh mummy and what is he using to clash against utterances?

>>55380711
Is there a special rule, or just dicepool differences?

>>55380628

>Our claws and fangs have no effect on the wizard. What shall we do?
>Claw and bite it again, of course
>Awoooooooo

>>55380705
Death Making, Advanced Scale. Five targets die.

>>55380705
>Gift of elements
Why would this get past Matter, Forces, and/or Spirit Shielding?

>that fetish that automatically kills magical beings
What is it called?

>End of Story gift
Only useful if they're fighting the Master, and even then it doesn't make it a sure thing.

>>55380735
Mages can clash, quite literally, *anything* if they know what's up. And their Duration bonuses are amazingly well done.

>>55380705
If you are far to unimaginative to think of what a death or prime master can do vs 5 woofs then you are a fucking retard.

>shadowflesh + 5 targets agg damage spells are one thing...

Reminder that Spirit 3 can no-sell Gifts

Good luck Werewolves

>>55380757
A motherfucking Apprentice of Death can still cast Suppress Life.

>>55380733
>Oh you are one of those mage fags that make the mage in question have access to all 10 arcana. Nevermind no use talking to you.
That's not what I said. Masters do have good Arcana spreads, because Mages usually do branch out of their Ruling Arcana and a Master is close to the end of that road. Are you twelve or something?

>>55380774
Supress life doesnt make you go into a coma now in 2e you fuckturd

>>55380767

Shielding is an Arcanum 2 Practice, not 3.

Prime may also Shield directly against other supernatural powers.

>>55380774

Death 2 is more than capable in combat, but Suppress Life just allows you to play possum as a dead guy.

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>>55380736
>Awoooooooo

>>55380745
So this single master has all shields up at the same time?
>>55380776
So what is a typical master spread?

Oh, for the love of god. Even the Mage dev thinks wizards will trounce werewolves. Just shut up already.

New topic: What's the best fansplat and why is it Princess?

>>55380805
5 in anything is a fu to woofs, vamps, changefags...

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>>55380821
>Even the Mage dev thinks wizards will trounce werewolves

>>55373304

I wonder how they would interact with other splats.

Detroit Rock city Actual play has 7 "Claw"'s in the first page.

This is going to be gud.

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>>55380821
Best fansplat is genius. Both princess games are fucking shit. Bonus is that Genius can reach or exceed Masters so magefags absolutely hate the splat.

Cant read actual plays with diary like entries. Fucking shit.

>>55380851
Everybody hates Genius because it's a fansplat. Fansplats have no relevance.

>>55380851
But can they beat Archmages? No? They can't? Wowzah.

>>55380851
Anybody can create a fansplat that exceeds masters and wank over it.

Doesnt make it relevant.

>>55380805
>So this single master has all shields up at the same time?
A Master could have a Shielding spell up all the time, if he wanted or felt it necessary, and could cast it with more than one Arcana in a combined spell and it would only take up one of his spell slots, of which he has at least 5. If Ritually cast with Reach, he could reliably cast it to last for a month, or even a year if he was ambitious. Alternatively he could just cast one in combat, although it wouldn't be as good as one he cast beforehand.

>So what is a typical master spread?
Depends on the Master, but for one at Gnosis 5, a bare minimum Master, you're typically looking at one Arcanum at 5, another at 4, and couple of more hanging around the 2-3 dot range. At least in my experience.

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>tfw mage 2e has zero APs.
Is mtaw really as popular as the shills claim?

>>55380884
>google awakening 2e actual play
>first result is an actual play
Also, in my search for an online game, I've found plenty of games being advertised recently, even one for a Seers campaign posted as recently as a few days ago.

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>>55380859
Nope in my vast experience Genius only triggers magefags. Other splatfags either like it or ignore it. Only magefags autistically ree about Genius

>>55380903
Meant to say good APs. There are plenty of shit APs for all game lines even mummy

>>55380821
>>55380851
>>55380877
>>55380859
I like Genius and Princess but hate how we can't discuss them here because literally two people start spazzing out any time they're even mentioned

"Abloobloo not canon, I'm so mad!"

Its fucking ridiculous.

>>55380915
I can't help but feel like you might be a little biased.

>>55380926
I am telling you it's the fucking Magefags. Even the fucking official forums has a dedicated thread for most fansplats.

>>55380926
Well, they aren't WoD or CofD games. Guess what this thread is for?

>>55380924
Right, your opinions on the 2e actual plays have been noted.

>>55380938
Looking through these threads for almost a year I would say they are for a superhero game about mages.

>>55380938
Shitposting about Mage the Awakening apparently. Should we also stop talking about our campaigns and house rules because they aren't canon materials, you dicksniffing numnuts?

>>55380915
>Only magefags autistically ree about Genius
They ree about everything.

>>55380937
There was nothing distinctly Magefaggy to me about the last time you were bullied out of here.

>>55380963
nobody (even your players or ST) gives a fuck about your campaign or house rules

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>>55371290
>32 posters
>Over 350 replies
Jesus Christ this thread has gone to garbage! Any way piece out I heading back to the 5e thread. Don't bother replying since I already closed the tab.

>>55380960
>>55380963
Hmmm, close, but Mage is actually a game in these settings, so while the posting quality can get pretty poor, it's still relevant. And of course campaigns and ideas about the setting's games are relevant, but if you aren't a game ACTUALLY in the setting...

>>55380971
>Little girls scare me
k