Ixlan/ XLN Spoilers

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>>55364517

BLACK

>>55364517
>1/1 for 1 with keyword
I won't lie, this makes my dick hard

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>>55364517
post dinos

>>55364524
That's pretty good

>>55364635
was already posted, bruh

>>55364635
really needed an enrage ability

>>55364524
>For each of those cards, put that card into your hand...
>Then exile the rest.
wut

>>55364688
Reading the card explains the card.

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>>55364688
Perhaps there's text between those two excerpts that explain what you're supposed to do.

>>55364696
help

>>55364688

1.) YOU draw 3 cards.
2.) Enemy can say at each of those cards: " ME NO LIKE!". (he pays 3 life and the cards gets exiled)
3.) You put the rest of those (that he didn't exile) into your hand.

Worst case. He pays 9 and you exile all 3. Best case he doesnt pay anything and your draw 3.

>>55364714
If an opponent pays 3 life, you get that card exiled instead. They may do this for each card.

>>55364720
>For each of those cards,
I don't know, we might need to find gA for this one. Or maybe go ask MaRo on his tumblr.

>>55364720
>For each of those cards
Good lord, for each day that passes NWO becomes more and more justified.

>>55364524
That's interesting. It'll be some combination of draw and damage, but your opponent can selectively deny you specific cards which may have been useful.

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>>55364666
>>55364737
It's not going to be very good, just like most other cards that let your opponent choose things.
The problem is that the cards are revealed, which means your opponent gets to sculpt your draw, which is really terrible.

I'd consider this to be worse than Live Fast.

>>55364780
I could see it being good in a more aggressive deck maybe, as if you've got enough pressure on your opponents it's a bit more pressure on the clock/ It just depeneds on if there's enough of a an aggressive one to put this in.

>>55364823
I think there are probably more suitable 3 drops than this.

>>55364680
It's aggressively costed where it is right now.

>>55365205
I'm just looking at it compared to Glorybringer.

>>55365208
Bringer has lower stats and RR casting cost. Bringer is pretty pushed too.

That aside, I'd fucking hate to draft a set with Uncommon Glorybringers.

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>>55364635
Makes me smile to see these big dino's

>>55364524
so basically black is better at being blue and red than blue and red

>>55365387

What? Other people losing life and card draw tied to life loss have been black things forever.

>>55365387
Of Course! Black is not a meme color.
Black get shit done.

>>55364635
>it's a 5 mana 5/5 with upsides in red
wut
power creep is real

>>55364524
i would love a more burn verison of ramunap red with this. Probablystill not good enough even there, but there are definitely situations where both choices are bad enough that this card works there.

>>55364719
That's not how best case/worst case works
Best case: Enemy loses 9 life and is lethal on board or has sub-3 life and you draw something to finish him off
Worst case: You get 1 land, 1 card that is okay and the opponent loses 3 life

It also depends on what the matchup is, it's absolutely awful if you're playing control as the enemy can probably safely lose 9 life making it a wasted card, and in something like a midrange deck you'll just get lands and a burn which you really didn't want or need for a 3 mana sorcery.

Honestly the only place I could see this is a B/R or B/R/W burn deck as it turns every card (except for lands) into a lightning bolt.

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>T: Add C to your mana pool
>T, Sacrifice Field of Ruin: destroy target nonbasic land an opponent controls. Each player searches his or her library for a basic land card, puts it onto the battlefield, then shuffles his or her library.
Can someone confirm the translation?

>>55365880
can confirm

>>55364524
>reveal
Why do they do this? What's the point if you reveal them?

>>55365436
this card is essentially Draw Three or Deal 9 Damage To Target Opponent, or some compromise of the two

>>55365906
Ah, I forget the cost of 2. Seemed strange to me to have a strictly better ghost quarter (in 1vs1 game).

>>55364780
>>55364823
>>55364524
It's basically a card your opponent could play: pay 3 life to exile a card from opponent's hand.

Lmao why would I want to play something like that?

>>55365880
Standard players who bought a playset of Growing Rites of Itlimoc at $20 a piece are on suicide watch now.

>>55365936
>people that don't get red Gearhulk

>>55366024
You're still getting 2 for 1 because of the creature fetch.

>>55365880
You got it wrong, it's 2, T, sacrifice field of ruin: blahablah
2 in German is 2

>>55365932
The card is pretty efficient at all levels but the problem is its never what it needs to be. Draw 3 for 3 is probably the weakest mode ironically enough, though black usually loses some life for that so its still better than average. 3 drop can tripping 6 damage lava axe is a pretty above rate card for example but unlike a 5 drop lava axe its never going to kill an opponent. Read the bones that bolts the opponent is also a decent mode. 9 to the face for 3 mana is a pretty nice rate off one card but that probably won't happen. I dont think even control decks are willing to take 9 to the face on turn 3 before attacks but maybe im wrong.

>>55365880
this card is kinda weird...and for some reason I like it more than Tectonic Edge

>>55364524
>transform better lavaspikes into lavaspikes and draw dead cards
I luv it is best!!!!
- /tg/

>>55366766
When a card gives your opponent the choice you have to always evaluate it based on its worst case scenario
Faster decks should have better to do with 3 mana than draw dead cards and maybe deal 3 damage
Slower decks that don't care about the damage can't afford to gamble on their card advantage with this

I wouldn't rule out this card of seeing competitive play yet, maybe it's the kind of card you can only evaluate after having played with extensively.

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>>55366362

Protip: Punisher mechanics and cards have always been unplayable, and this card is terrible.

>>55364524

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>>55364680
There. Now it's like Fungusaur. Or Snapping Sailback, if you prefer.

Does anybody have any clues as to what the last of the fifteen Mythics will be? Given the colors represented so far, I have to imagine it'll either be White, Green or Izzet.

>>55367142
>protip
really? pro? how many pro tours have you won buddy?

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>>55364517

TOKENS

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>>55364517
>>55367684

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All of the DFCs correspond to locations on the map. What a concept!

>>55365911
So your opponent can decide if they find them worth exiling or not, you idiot. It's like asking why your opponent can look at the cards for Fact or Fiction.

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>>55367691
>>55367684

3

>>55367684
I want to see the jace token.

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>>55367684

All "races" get a different treasue. here is the dino one.

>>55364517
Cool card. 1/1 first strike isn't bad, and dropping it and something else t2 as a 2/2 is nice.

A little mad it's a pirate and not a warrior, but I'll live, and it'll work nicely with this set's pirate support.

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>>55364517
>>55367684

MALE PIRATE TOKEN!

>>55367704
They're won't be one because Wizards doesn't do tokens for cards that are clones of something.

>>55366895
maybe evaluate it like this
you reveal your top three cards, you only get to keep them if they are trash. If a card is useful it instead bolts your opponent. black aggro may actually be a thing with what we have seen in Ixalan and this can be really good.
I mean, lets say all the cards are pretty trashy: you just drew 3 for 3 and you wont draw this trash the next few turns.

>>55367728
>token male
Fucking WoTC

>>55367800
Plus it gives you fodder for any Black spells that might discard your own cards as a cost or downside.

The fact that it's only 3 mana helps a lot. If you're going aggro, the extra damage or extra gas will both be helpful either way

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>>55364517

NEW RED COMMON

>>55367695
The card is shit like this, that's the point. Idiot.

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>>55364517

ANOTHER DINO SUPPORT

WHITE

>>55368024
Solid enough. Bear with the potential to be larger than the average bear.

>>55368037
T1 this T2 red version T3 Regisaurus alpha T4 win

>>55368037
Naya dinosaurs gonna be dropping crazy.
>>55368069
Why not swing on turn three? Red reducer does the haste thing

>>55368037
>>55368080
Yeah, between this, the Red one, and the Green mana dork all of those 6 cost dinos basically cost half.

>>55368080
T2 1 dmg
T3 8 dmg
T4 10 dmg (if you don't cast anything)

I guess you're still missing 1 dmg

>>55368119
White reducer looks like 0/3

>>55368148
ah my bad, then you're missing 3 dmg if you don't cast anything... just bolt him or something.

>>55368037
Who needs 1 mana manadorks when you have sluts like this

>>55367692
>spitfite bastion
Sounds like a fun card.

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>>55364517

BLACKO

>>55368299
Ooooh, that's cool.

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>>55364517

BLACK (FEMALE) PIRATE

LOOKS HOT

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>>55364517

MALE BLACK PIRATES (RED)

LOOKING GOOD

>>55368148
It also looks like it could be an 8/3. Let's hold out hope.

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>>55364517

MALE AND FEMALE ASIAN BLACK PIRATES

LOOKING NOT SO GOOD

>>55368299
Pretty sweet combat trick.

>>55368299
Is there any possible excuse for "you control" and "your opponent controls" on this card?

>>55368332
>2/2 with haste and explore
That-
>4 mana
commons will be commons I guess

>>55368431
Pretty much. It has to be a nonland to be even,remotely worth it as a 3/3 with haste, since you don't need the extra lands in Red while at 4 mana.

>>55367692
Fantasy maps make my dick rock hard

>>55368446
I think the way you need to think is that instead of having a dead draw (land) next turn you get to not have the dead draw instead. It's a strictly better scry because you get to keep the land.

>>55368422
IT WOULD CONFUSE NOOBIES
OUR CUSTOMERS ARE DUMB

>>55368422
MTGO feelbads for when you click wrong

>>55364524
I think people are seriously underestimating this card.
Put it in a Bx aggro deck where you want to be attacking with your creatures anyways. That means even if they exile your creature it already did 3 damage. And if they let you play it, it gives you valuable information that they have an answer for it or can't afford the 3 damage.

>>55368645
Shit, that's what it is, isn't it? Fuck the internet.

>>55368705
Yeah probably. Judges really want R&D to put "you may" on a bunch of stuff to make it easier to smooth over rules infractions from missed triggers because then it's "Oh, you just chose not to do it!" and MTGO hates "you may" being a bunch of places it doesn't need to be because it makes things take forever. MTGO won out for the most part.

>>55367728
we did it guys! men finally one!

>>55368739
>Lazy judges want to restrain R&D just to make their job easier
I bet those are the same judges that are suing WotC over the little Kozilek leak incident.

>>55368790
On what grounds exactly?

>>55368790
Skulduggery is almost certainly a "this makes it easier for online play" decision.

>>55368790
Judges' jobs being easier also makes tournaments run quicker and more smoothly, so they're not being unreasonable.

>>55364517
>Rigging Runner
>type is not Rigger
meh

>>55368037
Damn nigga I'm brewing the shit out of Naya Dinos.

>>55367728
>>55367713
>>55367684
>>55367691
>>55367702

Hope you gys have fun trying to collect the foil versions of these from FNM events in stores near you.

>>55368899
It seems strictly worse than Temur energy so far
You have to run low impact 1 and 2 drops, to then be able to cast above average 4 and 5 drops.
Meanwhile Temur energy runs premium 2 and 3 drops, has better fixing and runs the best 4 and 5 drops available.

>>55364823
I've vaguely been wanting to play mono black aggrob and I would play this in that because I wouldn't really care what they choose. It's both a better, and worse, Browbeat.

>>55368978
do you think I care about playability when I'm dropping dinos on the field?

>>55365880
A Ghost Quarter that replaces itself isn't bad.

>>55368996
Its a 3 mana spell that lets you draw 3 cards that will never be better than lava spike. If your decks ideal draw is lava spike then by all means, run it. I can imagine a hyper aggro list that curves out at 3 and has wet dreams about growing up to be legacy burn

>>55369000
You will care when your Ripjaw Raptor is getting cockblocked by the opponent's Bristling Hydra, and your Regisaur Alpha gets destroyed by a Glorybringer.

Naya dino is unplayable casual trash, if you want a fair shot you need to run some sort of ramp shell and ditch white.

>>55368192
That's a man.

>>55369099
>Naya dino is unplayable casual trash
I never said otherwise

>>55364524
2 of in modern burn variants

>>55369199
Yes, and?

>>55368422
You could play it even without having any creature on board. Therefore it wouldn't be pushing creatures as much as NWO demands.
I'm actually kind of surprise it doesn't also add loyalty counter to a Planeswalker (you control).

>>55364524
Worst case its draw 3 lands.
Best cast you burn someone for 9.

At 3 mana eithet way, good deal.

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>>55364524
>Boss, we're out of ideas.
>Just do the usual.
>You mean take Red card, make it better and give it to another color?
>Yeah, that.

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Post cards that will spike after the protour.

>>55368978
>>55369099
Look at this nerd not wanting to play with dinosaurs

>Dinos,Vamps and Pirates still getting support
>Merfolks don't even have a decent shell yet

>>55370012
Naya dinosaurs is for kids.
Gruul dinosaurs is for tryhards.
Bant dinosaurs is for retards, and that's where I will be. I'll buy a playset of Wakening Sun's Avatar day one.

>>55368317
wow, a POC girl shown doing something bad.

>>55368978
Dinosaurs just look kind of weak so far for standard but shit like this and the red reducer will make dinosaurs a fucking house in limited. First pick this beefy fucker >>55364635 and even if you don't get reducers you still have a bomb that can tear into some ass.

Dinos are gonna be a fucking blast in limited and I wanna play them every draft.

>>55370118
What about Boros Dinos?

>>55370212
For hipsters who want to play aggro, but not run monored or vehicles.

>>55369063
Ghost Quarter is good because it's free

>>55370118
Where does that leave Jund Dinos? I'm assuming Temur Dinos is for ultra Spikes.

>>55369773
>comparing an uncommon to a rare
What's new?

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>>55370118
You are like a little kid...
Watch this

MONO BLUE DINOS

>>55370523
>a very nearly strictly better Conspiracy
Still mad about this.

>>55370383
Temur dinos will be temur energy with a few cards replaced for with dinos
Jund dinos could actually be decent, but I'm not sure black adds enough to warrant the less consistent manabase

>>55369773
Black one is shittier most of the time, since it reveals the cards to the opponent.

>>55370104
It's killing me.

I brewed a merfolk EDH deck in anticipation, but I don't think we'll see anything good until Rivals

>>55370104
Merfolk are an afterthought in this set, they even fucking said it. Get it through your thick head

>>55370587
Are we calling any deck with Dinos a dino deck or just tribal dinosaur builds?

Also I love how well Ixalan Flows with Kaladesh, seeing ayuff Maro explained happening irl is so cool.

>>55370798
>>55370762
We got that 3 drop for the modern deck.

Dont forger Dominaria will have more Merfolk, Dinos , Zombos and Vamps probs

>>55370833
That 3 drop is not modern playable, it is only better than Kira vs Abrupt Decay and BGx decks are not good at the moment

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>>55364517
What is the appeal of playing with little kids and having your cards rotate out of legality?

>>55370891
having fun playing with newer cards? I dunno, I feel like I've been working on a standard deck ever since Kaladesh dropped because I want to play standard but it's just been in such a lame looking state. Ixalan looks nice though.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uqNHbrVsfVQ
Shame the Naya Faction can't be used in a Sacrifice Engine.

>>55370891
>Pay $1000 for a deck
>Face the same old decks every single time
>Can't play 99% of the cards because of the sheer power level of the format
>Games are decided by turn 4
>Retarded combos runs rampant
>You instantly lose if your opponent draws his sideboard cards
Modern is absolute garbage.
Legacy has better gameplay but it's much harder to get in, and you get fucked by the reserved list.

>>55370891
>tfw built RG energy aggro for 20€
>change the servants of the conduit for rogue refiners
>good results
>also building modern budget burn
I still can't understand why Magic attracts so many elitists faggots

>>55370578
>every time a worse card gets printed everybody gets really fucking mad
>get mad when a strictly worse non-creature is printed

>>55367692
High and Dry is such a dumb fucking name for a pirate city

>>55371362
>strictly better*

>>55370891
>standard is the only format

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Since I don't think anyone here reads the lore articles, this is what Angrath looks like.
Minotaur confirmed.

>>55372135
sweet. what is he going to be? monored? rakdos?

>>55371393
Oh fuck you. It sounds exactly like something a pirate would call something.

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>>55372162
if not monored they're gonna have to pull something out of their ass. minotaur are traditionally red, plus he blows steam out of his nose and fights with glowing flaming chains. plus he's described as prefering mayhem to treasure. chaos for its own sake is totally red.

>>55372135
Looks good.

>>55372162
We can only hope for rakdos
Daretti doesn't feel like a rakdos planeswalker at all
Sarkhan the mad is a cool design, but also complete trash

>>55372265
Minotaurs are BR colors, the last important minotaur figure in the story was rakdos too

>>55372162
Hard to tell from what little we got of him - he could go either way, but red's a definite and he's not a nice fellow.
He has no patience for anyone not helping him acheive his goals, but immediately stopped beating the shit out of Huatli when she sparked (because he seems to not realize it was her sparking and just her trying to planeswalk) in an attempt to convince her to aid him in getting off the plane.

>>55372294
minotaurs are historically red, it's only since theros they've been in BR.

>>55372135
>Angrath
Confirmed?
Man, I said he was going to be a minotaur when his name was mentioned because he sounds like Tahngarth

>>55372265
Yeah, but spite for its own sake can totally be black.

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>>55372445
Directly under the picture is this text.

>>55372446
not really, black is about self-interest and gain. the idea of burning the whole plane to the ground around oneself is a last resort, at best, for black.

For example, look at ob nixilis. he hated the fuck out of zendikar, but even after nissa ruined his plan and he assumed he was eldrazi food his plan was still "maybe somehow i can work with them"

>>55372135
pls wizards, give us tribalfags a good rakdos minotaur commander

>>55370148
Mexicans become "white" when they're victims of black crime.

>>55372647
I doubt he'd have anything tribal for minotaurs, since he seems to be the only one on the plane and therefore probably the only one in the set.

>>55372647
oh he is a planeswalker>>55372265

nevermind then

>>55372647
He's the only minotaur in the plane.

>>55372647
Neheb Mk1 wasn't enough?

>>55372522
He's the Dread Pirate Roberts. He's even literally on fire.

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Who else is playing Nayasaurs?

>>55372866
I wanna play Conquistadors but they haven't really amazed me so far.

>>55372866
Gishath will be my new commander. I cant wait for the Release.

>>55372866
I'm flip-flopping between them and Merfolk.

>>55370578
it IS strictly better. costs 2 less, isn't double costed so is easier to roll in multi-color, and is in addition instead of outright replacing. The only real drawback i'm seeing compared to conspiracy is that it's blue

>>55372969
I'm hoping some of the conquistador vamps from the commander deck get re-printed so that way they're modern/standard legal

>>55367142
Is FoF a punisher card? What about Gifts ungiven?

>>55374241
There's no Conquistador cards in the commander deck.
Edgar and Crimson Honor Guard are from Innistrad.
Kheru Mind-Eater is from Tarkir.
Patron of the Vein is from Zendikar
Licia is from the Barbarians vs Romans plane.
Mathas and Bloodsworn Steward are undisclosed but neither look like spaniards/Conquistadors. Mathas looks like he belongs in Fiora or another renaissant plane, while the Steward is wearing asian-looking armor.

>>55364524
It's fine, I guess? Unless you're playing with a lot of hidden information, you'll be getting the worst possible variation of it. The likely scenario of "Draw one land, exile the top two cards of your library, an opponent loses 6 life" is entirely okay.

>>55372812
he is not good

>>55372866
I'm still torn between building naya dinos and grixis pirates for edh. I just built 5 color dragons and dinos would play very similarly to that but way worse. on the other hand I dont have any grixis decks and pirates look way more interesting mechanically to build around even though its probably not going to be very good at first

>>55375536
Given I fucking love mathas' backstory. He's a vampire who's also a vampire hunter cause he wants to be the only one

>>55368788
Men ace!

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>>55375655
I'm going to be playing pirates myself, and although the games may be akin to a scrappy crew going against several British Man-o-Wars I'm still going to have a blast.

>>55368037
sigh... DINO tribal requires humans to ramp...

>>55370425
I hate NWO so much.

>>55376722
We already knew that, and who cares? Dragon tribal requires a goblin for the same thing

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The final Mythic!

>>55377269
Isn't that pretty against the Vampire's gameplan? Or is the idea to use a bunch of instant-speed effects at your opponent's endstep that cause you to pay life until you're at like 2 and then swap to kill them?

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>>55377269
Nice for politics, I like it.

>>55370523
strictly worse Xenograft

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>>55376722
Who cares? Dinos doesn't care about type or number of dinos in play. You get to play hastey/trampley 5 CMC beaters as early as turn 3. The fact that the 1-drop survives magma spray and blocks 2-power creatures makes it amazing.

>>55366819
>Play rackdos burn
>Hellbent baby
>Top deck
>Reveal lava spike, lightning bolt, and land

>>55377312
If it weren't so stupidly overcosted Adanto Vanguard would get banned.

>>55364780
>>55364737

In a weird way I think it's okay. I think it's a pretty strong Midrange card.

>>55372162

I wouldn't mind that. Red something that's for sure.

I'd be happy if he was Blue/Black/Red but that might be asking for a lot.

>>55365936
>It's basically a card your opponent could play: pay 3 life to exile a card from opponent's hand.
I'm not saying it's playable, but it's nothing like that.

>>55377639

Don't play it in burn. It turns your good drops into Lightning bolts and helps filter your draws. If I revealed Land, Land, Something that gets pitched, I think I'd be happy with the trade because it's two turns I'm not drawing Land, and I've hurt the Opponent. It's a grindy card.

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Scavengersaurus

>>55365936
It is more like
>target opponent draws a card, then reveals that card, pay 3 life to exile that card

>>55379004
I'm not to sure on this. Early on, you want to have a creature for it to exile so it can get that slight bit of value when it comes in, and then plenty of spells afterwards so it can get pumped. In most dino decks though, your early drops are for ramping rather than attacking, and in the lategame where your graveyard is more full a 4/3 for 3 isn't really that impressive.

Honestly, I think this has a better place in a Merfolk deck. Small merfolk are more likely to die in the first couple turns, and might appreciate the lifegain more. Plus, they're focused on casting lots of spells, which means this guy will be easier to pump.

>>55379004
Savaging ooze for standard. Alright, I get it. Respectable

>>55379061
Good thing it's a graveyard and not just your graveyard.

>>55379004
Both chase rare of the set are green cards.

>>55379330
The other being?

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Just waiting for the inevitable dino-hydra.

>>55379344
The fake Gaea's Cradle.
I have doubts on that one though. There's a chance that one might be the next Honored Hierarch.

>>55379399
Maybe? The fact it insta-flips at 4 dudes sets it above honored to me. And at worst its incredible solid in edh, even if people use it as a gaea's cradle proxy.

>>55364524
Garbage, especially in standard. The only time you ever want to take 3 is if they reveal something that can do more than 3 damage to you. Otherwise, it's better to make them have to spend the mana to cast that 3 damage spell.

>>55379330
>that
>a chase rare
It's shit though.

>>55379366
Doubt hydras will be in this block unless there is some really weird crazy mutant dinosaur. Same applies to dragons.

>>55366314
Gearhulk is way better, as your opponent may not make an optimal choice.

>>55380073
The scavenging raptor?
Just saying, several months later all of you will be screaming about how it's too OP and needs banning.

>>55380257
Oh man, I'm so scared of a 4/3 for 3 that dies running into my Rouge Refiner I drew a card off.
Enjoy your 2 life and 2 exiled cards before you shitty raptor dies.

>dies to lightning strike and abrade
>does nothing
>no keywords
>just a vanilla 3/2, maybe 4/3 that gains you at most 4 life a game

>>55370714
also they decide to exile the card or not, so you are open to their tactic.

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>combat in Ixalan limited with Skulduggery at common

>>55380501
>Combat in Ixalan Limited with 5/5 trample haste bombs at uncommon
I'm fucking hyped.

>>55380294
But it triggers on etb and attack, so it's a 5/4 by the time it first attacks

>>55381130
>Whenever Deathgorge Scavenger enters the battlefield or attacks, you may exile target card from a graveyard. If a creature card is exiled this way, Deathgorge Scavenger gets +1/+1 until end of turn.
>If a creature card is exiled this way, Deathgorge Scavenger gets +1/+1 until end of turn.
>Deathgorge Scavenger gets +1/+1 until end of turn.
>gets +1/+1 until end of turn.
>until end of turn.

Anon, please read the fucking card before you try calling it a chase rare. It will be a 3/2 baseline, and often a 4/3, but no bigger. It's not a counter, it's for that turn only.

>>55381195
Oh Jesus christ I read it as a +1/+1 counter, that is fucking trash

Not the original anon you responded to saying it was a chaserare though

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>>55377462
>Xenograft
fucking how?

>>55377269

This set seems pretty disappointing power wise. Really wish the dinosaurs were more pushed.

>>55381483
>Really wish dinos were pushed
>5 mana 4/4 that makes a 3/3 haste trample token on ETB
They're pushed enough for standard which is what they make sets for.

Well fuck merfolk I guess

>>55381483
It's stronger than Amonkhet or Shadows, but not as strong as Kaladesh.
Hope Rivals fixed that.

>>55381310
Because its cheaper and effects all of the creatures you own in and out of combat, that's why!

>>55381565
>implying kaladesh was strong either
There's not been a strong set since Khans block, which funnily enough was the last standard we had Lightning Strike in until Wizards decided Lightning Strike was too fucking good for standard for a full FOUR BLOCKS.

Fucking WotC.

Man, Spanish vampire conquistadors aren't getting much stuff

>>55381614
18 cards so far from what I see.

>>55381614
Lol at least they've got more than merfolk

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>>55381614
They're really getting the shit end of the stick on this one. At least there are a few things for commander and the art is decent.

Hopefully the next set lets them really shine

>>55381692
>>55381614
They're 2 colour tribes so it's expected they get less support than the 3 colour tribes in the big set.

>>55381597
How does that make it worse than Xenograft?

>>55381740
I'm just hoping for good common 1/2 drops that make the small tribe decks viable

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>>55364517

BOLT REPRINt

"Double Volley 1RR

Sorcery

~ deals 3 damage to target creature or player.

Raid 3RR: Return ~ from your graveyard to your hand. Activate this ability only if you attacked with a creature this turn."

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>>55364517

JANKY BLUE RARE

Fleet Swallower 5UU

Creature - Fish

Rare

Whenever ~ attacks, target opponent puts the top half of his or her library into his or her graveyard, rounded up.

6/6

"Captain, I think that island is following us."

>>55382335
>Slow bad burn spell only viable in control decks that don't want it

>>55382351
>useless fish that will kill someone faster than it mills them, edh fodder

>>55382335
WE BOLT NOW BOYS

>>55382351
>this plus fraying sanity

No sir I don't like it.

>>55382335
>Open Fire reprint
>At 1RR
>At sorcery speed
>At rare
>Lightning Strike is uncommon
This is the absolute state of Red in the current standard

>>55382335

Hammer of Bogardan, is that you?

>>55382559
But it's repeatable.

>>55375655
Why are you thorn between them? Going by your post, the choice seems obvious.

>>55375705
Isn't he an Innistrad eldrazi/cultist hunter? To me, the the brand he is holding looks like the symbol of Eldrazis on Innistrad.

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>>55383044
He doesn't have the eyes for it.

>>55383061
No, I meant I think he hunts cultists and mutants and stuff.

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>>55383080
I mean he can't be from Innistrad because Innistrad vampires have glowing eyes.

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>>55383080
>>55383100
Compare and contrast.

>>55383100
Oh okay, sorry. Never noticed that, and I played vampire tribal back during OG Innistrad...

>>55365487
Bruh, Oath of the gatewatch had Reality smasher, literally the same exact thing but colorless AND had an extra effect if you tried targeting him.

>>55383120
>but colorless

Colorless as in dedicated colorless though. It's not like it's just a random artifact creature.

>>55383149
Fair enough. Altough for me who stopped buying cards that arent eldrazis thats never been a problem.

>>55381693
Is that vampire queen elizabeth?

>>55383223
No

>>55382351
F R A Y I N G S A N I T Y !

>>55382559
It's Rare and colour intensive because it wins you the game in Limited.

>>55383255
>in limited
Wizards never stopped limited from letting them design bomb rare before. That card is just garbage.

>>55383280
There was that 7-mana 4/4 Rare from Shadows (or was it OG Innistrad?) That was a huge lategame manasink and won you the game. This is basically the same thing.

>>55383287
and?
It's still inexcusable booster filler trash. It should be instant.

>>55383323
Never said it wasn't. I'm trying to give you an explanation, not an excuse.

>>55382559
The obvious thing is probably they're trying to slow down the metagame in order to give the giant dinosaurs a chance to participate. In an environment where you're playing slow with big mana, something like that could actually become playable, and could become quite strong if aggressively costed. Development probably pulled it back because they were afraid of it disrupting what they were trying to do.

Nothing is worse for a card than Development being uncertain and afraid, it makes them pull it back miles instead of inches.

>>55383427
dinosaurs can drop Regisaurus Alpha on T3 and give him haste.

>>55383427
>"Give dinos a chance to participate"
>They print Regisaur Alpha
>They printed Glorybringer 2 sets ago that shits on half a Regisaur

>>55383473
I really hope he doesnt make it in standard, so I can pick one up cheap for edh dinomemes.

>>55382335
can't wait for 2RR sorcery speed bolt at mythic in next set. The complexity comes from the fact you should know not to play it.

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>>55382335
>Hammer of Bogardan
>>55382565
Nah m8

>>55384502
It's much closer to Hammer of Bogardan than it is to Thunderblade Charge.

>>55384541

>Hammer of Bogardan can return to your hand for mana during your upkeep
>Thunderblade Charge only returns to your hand if you pay mana and deal damage to a player with a creature
>Double Volley can only return to your hand if you deal damage to a player with a creature

Am I being trolled? It's just the same as Thunderblade. How can it be more like Hammer than Thunderblade?

>>55379004
>until end of turn
Eh.

Seems pretty good otherwise, or?
>>55381195
>>55380294
It can still exile cards from opponents graveyard and attack or defend for 3.

>>55384638
rtfc. Thunderblade doesn't return to your hand, it's cast from the graveyard.

>>55384638

Also with Double Volley you just need to have attacked, not connected.

>>55382351
>>55382503
>>55383255
Is this really gonna be a legit strategy?

>>55384743
No, it's gonna be jank. It's gonna be fun jank, tho.

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Scared of making Copter 2.0, WotC is playing it super safe and making boring vehicles nobody would ever bother using!

>>55384785
wew, this is crap

>>55384785
>still no legendary pirate or cathedral ship

>>55384801
It's a limited bomb for the explore archetype, from what I've seen there's only 1 uncommon artifact removal spell in the set

>>55384785
If there's a creature that can explore repeatedly instead of only when it etb, this could be good.

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>>55384785
>a fucking huge ship
>is as deadly as a wild bear

Explain this

>>55384849
Have you ever fought a wild bear?
Thought so...

>>55384849

>Boats

>Deadly on their own

What are they going to do? Threateningly scuttle themselves near you?

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>>55364517

WHITEO

>>55384971
Neat limited fodder

>>55384849
most planeswalkers lose to wild bears though. seeing as they cant do dmg

>>55384825
"Legendary cathedral ship" is such awesomely retarded 40K shit that even Wizards shouldn't be able to miss it.

>>55384846
There's the "explore on damage" dude in green and the "1B: exile 2 from graveyard, explore" one in black.

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>>55384825

You were saying, pham...

>>55384956
After a grizzly bear massacres the entire crew, it'll wreck the ship on a reef and drown. Flavor through mechanics!

>>55385082
>legendary

>>55385102
>implying the grizzly wouldn't slaughter the crew, crew the ship on his own and raid and pillage the coast himself

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>>55385162
>implying the bear is not a 8/8 sea monster who devastates whole fleets

>>55382351
I once had a deck that made tokens and used nemesis of reason + mirrorweave. not needing black seems better.

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looks like Vraska got Jace'd

>>55371039
lol I know /tg/ sucks at magic but retarded posts like this make me laugh every time

>>55385352
He's the Guildpact. Why wouldn't she want to keep him if she's able to?

>>55382351

Is target player, not opponent.

t.italian

>>55385352
That's pretty fucking sweet.

>>55385352
Winds of Rebuke, the non mill version

>>55385406
a) she didn't like him being the guildpact in the first place
b) she's an assassin and a pirate, I think the point is that she just doesn't do "saving" in general.

also that's the 5/5 story highlight or whatever the fuck they're called. apparently the cliffhanger of the block is jace fell off a fucking waterfall.

>>55385352
I like this a lot. Wasting bounce on a low CMC usually is a feel bad moment, but this makes it better.

>>55385497
So he doesnt hang at the cliff in the end, but already fell? Huehuehue

>>55376250
I haye how shitty this card is. The uncommon red dino is better. Shame as the arts gorgeous.

>>55385497
>a) she didn't like him being the guildpact in the first place

Yeah, but now he'd be an amnesiac guildpact that would owe her a huge favor.

>>55385352
Well designed card, but the power level is too low to see competitive play.
Removing an eternalized creature and scrying 2 from it sounds juicy.

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>>55381614
Shame for the person who pitched 'vampire conquistadors' ended up with 'pirates and dinosaurs'

This rendition of vampires is the only one Ive liked in magic.

>>55385548
well the last story ended with her possibly softening up to him, and the other story highlights suggest they basically go on this adventure together and probably get to know each other etc. so that may well play into why she tried to save him. but again, pirate, assassin, not so much with the "preserve life" as a modus oparandi.

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>>55385582
You're not a fan of ol' stabhands?

>>55385972
I still can't see her as not having a spider body (not that it makes me like her less).

>>55385972
I do not recall mirrodin vampires being hella cute but seeing this first time in proper size makes me reconsider

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>>55385972
Usually I hate talking about "CG" art in magic but Igor has just started getting lazy with his pieces that he's more misses than hits these days.

The dude that worked on Elesh Norn is doing this fucking shit, what the hell, man.

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>>55386219
There are only 4 actual Vampire cards from Mirrodin, and two of them are outright monstrous, but they show up in some art.

>>55386369
>>55386219
>>55385972
I thought there was only one vampire on Mirrodin that was the servant of Geth in the novel trilogy

>>55386401
Scars of Mirrodin retconned that, don't worry.

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>>55386401
>>55386422
I mean, if you have one vampire there's a really straightforward, simple lead in to there being more than one vampire. It doesn't even need to be a retcon.

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>>55386401
>>55386422
>>55386444
Even the card for the original Mirrodin vampire itself supports the notion.

>>55382351
Man that art is really rally sweeet

>>55386444
>>55386457
It's more the fact that in the novel, Geth has one vampire and it is supposedly the only vampire in Mirrodin and we have no reason to believe Geth is wrong because he essentially rules the Dross. Then Scars drops and suddenly there are all these vampires no one, Geth included, even knew about. It's lazy writing of the worst kind.

>>55386444
>>55386457
Overall I admit I like this more monstrous design. Innistrad vamps were a bit vannila(and don't get me wrong they fit the overall style of the plane).
Zendikari ones were something more creative thou I do not loike the whole tribal look they had I appreciate effort.

>>55386513
The novel was basically already BTFO by >>55386457, a non-legendary vampire that turns other things into vampires.

>>55386562
I guess when Geth was laying around as a head for years his pet vampire would have no one to keep him in check

>>55386513
Scars block was a few years down the line from Mirrodin, and "all these vampires" are literally 3 more vampire cards. There's one vampire group, the Bleak Coven, created by Vraan, one of the Steel Thanes. So, it's hardly any stretch to imagine Vraan was made a vampire and then made more vampires to do his bidding.

Like I already sad, "One Vampire + Time = More than one Vampire" is hardly the biggest stretch.

>>55385352
This seems like a good card, right?

>>55386513
Literally the one vampire card in old Mirrodin actively made other vampires. Also the novels werent written in house, so details like that are unreliable to begin with.

>>55386562
We were just discussing the combat of bears and exploratory ships being on even footing in this very thread. I'm always a bit leery about taking the mechanics of the cards at face value.

>>55386617
I reread some of the lore shit, and while they talk about entire new communities and shit, they also talk about Moriok converting willingly, so fair enough.

>>55385352
Wait, is she really in love with Jace? I thought that was just a crappy fanfiction.

I guess pushing diverse love is part of Wizards sjw campaign.

No one cares about this shit, just give us more boobs and ass and creative, non cg art, you fucking retards.

>>55385585
opErandi

>>55386718
>Hurr durr I am the only consumer of magic, listen to my impotent wailing

>>55386718
Are you really this triggered by wizard guy fucking medusa gal in fantasy setting? Why did you leave your safe space again?

>>55386718
>No one cares about this shit
You seem to care quite a lot, anon.

>>55385352

>first jace gets necromancer pussy
>now he's getting gorgon pussy
living the dream

>>55386718
>Diverse love
She's a fucking gorgon.

>>55386837
But he really just wants Gideons indestructible penis

>>55386756
>hurr durr I don't buy any MTG product and don't plan to ever do so, listen to my social justice bullshittery
>hurr durr I buy MTG product and I also act as a doormat for all the walking carriers of pussy in the hope to feel the taste of pubic hair someday, in the (very distant) future inshallah

>>55386897
You are one precious snowflake

>>55386835
I care about it when I get that instead of what I want, yes.
>>55386848
Yes? How's that not diverse?
I think you spent too much time on /tg/, anon. Gorgons are not that common in the real world, the one you belong to.

>>55386897
>Hurr durr I am so buttmad that I have to project on the people criticizing my retarded behavior

>>55386897
You know how people like to say SJWs invent things to feel persecuted by? You do realize this is exactly what you're doing right now, right? There's not some SJW contingent of fucking Gorgons demanding representation, anon.

>>55386850

has gideon had any confirmed relationships with other planeswalkers?

>>55386930
>Gorgons are not that common in the real world, the one you belong to.
You know what is? Interracial relationships. And that's not going to change no matter how much you piss and moan about it on a mongolian knitting image board

>>55386930
Yes. In fact they're so uncommon there's no reason to bitch about interracial relationships with them, you dipshit.

>>55386948
I think he is mostly interested in his gains and protein shakes

>>55386935
>retarded
>I care about it when I get that instead of what I want, yes.
I don't think so, timmy.
>>55386943
It doesn't matter, she's "diverse", that's everything you need to pander to all the freaks that think of themselves as being "diverse".

>>55386955
Jesus anon. You wouldnt be mad if a pale white cute elf girl would fuck Jace, and I really dont understand what you problem with a gorgon is. I hate when wizards pushes diversity and every relationship has to be interracial, but a relation betwen a human and a gorgon is not pandering or anything related.

>>55386948
Yes, your mum.

>>55386979
Gideon is Bromosexual, he only cares about being bros with everyone else

>>55386997
I think you quoted the wrong person, I'm not the one who is mad that people who are different than me exist

>>55386982
>It doesn't matter, she's "diverse", that's everything you need to pander to all the freaks that think of themselves as being "diverse".
All those damn nonhumans in these fantasy settings.

>>55386982
Who cares? At least she's better than fucking Liliana

>>55386955
>>55386967
I think you retards don't understand the problem here.

I'm not against interracial relationships. In fact I enjoy the idea of fucking a gorgon very much.

What I don't like is having something like this being part of a programmatic agenda.

>>55387031
Yeah, sorry misclicked.

>>55387039
You take that back

>>55386948

I think Chandra had a crush on him but he was oblivious and she moved on to Nissa.

>>55386948
some baiting with Chandra

>>55387049
>Everything I don't like is part of an "agenda"
I think you need to lay off the infowars for a while, Anon

>>55387004
He is likely to develop bromance with Ajani. Thou judgeing how Ajanis bromance with elspeth ended I would be worried

>>55386997
>>55387049


>>55387073
>everything I don't like...
It's like you didn't even read the post.

>>55387084
Elspeth didn't have the power to become indestructible

>>55387049
I'm failing to see how /tg/'s fanfiction about Jace and Vraska fucking has anything to do with the progressive agenda.

>>55387057
Lili

A

Shit

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>>55386982
>instead of what I want

Have you stopped a moment to consider that whether or not they did Vraska/Jace relationship has absolutely nothing to do with doing the things you want? You went so far as to put "creative, non cg art" in your list of demands like they have Jace and Vraska having sex rendered in the Unity Engine on every card.

>>55386982
>She's "diverse"
She's a fucking gorgon.