Warhammer 40,000 General /40kg/

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first for Ork codex never

POST NURGLINGS! (seriously, I keep forgetting to save them)

reposting from the bottom of last thread.

Hey guys, getting my new (almost all Dark Eldar) Ynnari army together. Let me know if this list is fun/playable.

1499/1500 points
Ynnari Battalion

HQ:
Yncarne (Warlord)
Yvraine

Elites
Bloodbrides (10) (1 Agonizer, 3 Hydra Gauntlets, Adrenalite)
Trueborn (5) (2 Darklances, 2 Blasters, Venom)

Troops
3x Kabalite Warriors(5) (1 Shredder, Venom)

Fast Attack
Windriders (3)

Flyers
2x Razorwing Jetfighter (2 Dark Lances)

Is there a way of equipping Hammerheads that is just outright superior or are the two main guns more sidegrades?

>>55345549

neat, someone finally made one. Not a bad translation of the original list either.

>>55345791
Railgun with submunitions.
Ignore the Burst Cannon upgrade.

Has the release order of the rest of the Codexes been revealed?

>>55345791

With FW you get a few more options

>>55345627
Thanks.
Also I agree with >>55345790
What the fuck were they thinking.

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>>55345826
No but its probably going to be CWE>Nids>IG

>>55345826
Craftworld Eldar, Tyranids, and IG are next. Followed by more marines.

how do you take a detatchment of assassins? They have no HQ. What do I do to take them in a list?

>>55345872
An inquisitor, duh

>>55345872
Auxiliary detachment

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>>55345663
Best weapon for a shooty Terminator captain? Storm Bolter?

>>55345931
Primarch's wrath or combi-plasma.

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>>55341001 (OP)
Finally built up a 2000pt army.
>2x 30man cultist squads
>2x 10man berzerkers squads
>chaos Lord with power sword and plasma pistol
>chaos Lord in terminator armor with lightning claws
>helbrute with twin lascannons
>30 bloodletters
>6 blood crushers
>skulltaker
>Herald on throne
>skull cannon
Total of 1996pts
I want to add a rhino or two and drop the Lord in termi armor down to a normal Lord though. Still need to prime and at least wash all of them.

>>55345872
An Inquisitor, I'm fond of Greyfax
A Tempestor Prime is a very cheap choice
I take a chaplain dreadnought for them to hide behind as it's a tough character with Iron hands tactics
You'll need several HQ choices but remember that you can actually only use 3 detachments for matched play

>>55345931
Combi-weapon. Plasma's probably the best since he can give himself the re-roll to 1's on overcharges, with flamer being in second.

>>55345964
That's suggested rules. It'll vary by local meta/tournament standards.

>>55345907
dont auxilary detatchments subtract from your cp?

>>55345982
They do, but most of the time you'll have an abundance of them.

If you aren't playing a codex army you can just bring them in another detachment at no extra cost.

>>55345945
>>55345974
Could you fire Primarch's Wrath and the combi-plasma in the same turn? Battlescribe is letting me take both so if I can stick a gun in each hand and dakka dakka I will

>>55345705
Ynnari lists never look like they have enough models to me

>>55345994
yes, you can fire all the guns you got but firing both modes on the combi guns has a -1 BS penalty

>>55345663
I forget, was it Martellus or Avitus who was the canon traitor? I know it was Martellus in my playthrough, and I can only assume this was the catalyst for his betrayal.

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>>55345994
>Battlescribe
Read your codex

>>55346006
that's 31 infantry minis, 3 Jetbikes, 4 Venoms, 2 flyers, and a monster. That's not bad at 1500. I run similar numbers in swarmy Nid lists.

>>55345994
Stupidly no, you cannot take both, because the Cap starts with a MC bolter, which he can swap out for either Primarch's Wrath OR the combi-plasma. If it was legal take both though, yes you could fire both.

However if you're in the market for a shooty HQ and you don't mind special characters, then consider Lias Issodon, he's the best shooty Captain (actually Chapter Master) I know, bar none.

>>55346034
this. while it is a convenient list builder it is not faultless.

>>55345663
Looking to build a list around my shiny new Lord of Skulls. Thoughts on where to begin?

Jump Pack Sorcerer - Prescience, Warptime/Death Hex (Use Chaos Familiar to Swap Smite for one of two?)

2x Havocs - Lascannons all around for eliminating anyone trying to snipe the LoS from long range

2x Berzerkers - Do I really need to explain this one?

3x Cultists - Meat shields and deep strike denial, probably throw in an Apostle if points allow.

What am I missing here?

>>55346034
They need to have these for free with codices along with some english lessons so that WAACfags and idiots don't act so stupid.

>>55346055
Or maybe a tech marine? Cant they get like 3guns+beamer?

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Any tips for equipping chaos terminators in a squad of 5 in 8th edition?

>>55346068
Combi-weapons.

>>55346064
that would require GW to brush up on thier own english.

>>55346024
Shit yes, that's awesome. Now, final question. What's a better melee weapon if you can only bring one? Lightning Claw or a Thunder Hammer? I like the reroll on wounds but Thunder Hammer hits like a truck

>>55346055
Oh, well shit I'm a little confused now. I'm gonna go reread it to make sure

>>55346034
I was just slightly confused because of the relic. Plus I have a book allergy

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>>55345663
How do you fix the MBT versions of the Leman Russ to make them worth playing?

So you guys think there will be a new plastic regiment for IG?

>>55345981
oh

>>55346072
Yeah but anything even to do with melee or marks? Was wondering if there was anything else people were getting up to.

>>55345663
Quick, what is the most WAAC 1250pts 7th ed Necron list I can run without flyers?

>>55345953
>I want to add a rhino or two and drop the Lord in termi armor down to a normal Lord though. Still need to prime and at least wash all of them.
PAINT NIGGA PAINT

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>>55346082 #
>I was just slightly confused because of the relic.
Relics replace a similar weapon, which you would know if you reasd your codex

>Plus I have a book allergy
Hopefully it kills you

>>55346108
>playing shit editions
Destroyer Lord w/ Warscythe and Veil, 2 Monoliths and the rest of the points on Warriors t. 3rd edition

>>55346112
I just got them today senpai give me a sec!

>>55345705
Faggot

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Rate my T'au Empire, Sa'cea Sept. Battalion, 1995

HQ

Commander, Fusion Blaster, Flamer

Fireblade

Elite

2x2 Stealth Suits, 1 Shas'vre, Fusion Blaster, Advanced Targeting System

Ghostkeel, Advanced Targeting System, 2 Fusion Blasters, Fusion Collider

Troops

3x9 Breacher Teams, Shas'ui

2x 20 Kroot

Fast Attack

2x3 Pathfinders, Shas'ui

1x9 Vespids, Strain Leader

Heavy Support

2 Hammerhead Gunships, Rail Gun, Gun Drones

Dedicated Transport

3 Devilfish

>>55346060
A Lord of Skulls

>>55346152
but y tho?
Like, expand on that shit, nigga.

>>55346148
All of them?

Alright, if that is the case, continue on.

>>55346158
4 pathfinders, not 3, ignore that.

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Wow the new Primaris Primaris model looks great.

>>55346165
All but the daemons yea.

>>55346107
Well, one new strat with Scarab Occult terminators is this:

>have C:CSM detachment
>have 1ksons detachment with Scarabs
>use Chaos Familiar strat (1 CP) on the Aspiring Sorceror and give him Warptime instead of smite
>deepstrike
>Warptime next to thing
>shoot thing
>charge thing
>whackwhackwhack

>>55346158
Why an ATS on fusion weapons...?

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>>55346079
of crose hw needed new englishes. but is' slight faults of waacfags porpoise fully misses readied like within fly stormed strategiem

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>>55345699
I really need to get these damn things painted. Might be a while. I don't feel like they're very strong in 8th. Only gave them a couple shots though, so maybe I'm wrong.

>>55346068
Combi-Plasma with a flying sorcerer and Lord to reduce a vehicle of your choosing to slag. Their melee weapon is largely irrelevant, but axes are usually a good choice. Personally, I like Lightning Claws, but I'm a night lord fag. A unit with axes and plasma is 250pts. Meltas are more expensive, but have more wound potential to harder targets, however they're not as good against multiple models. Combi-flamers are literally unusable without warptime, but combi-bolters are CHEAP and put out a ton of shots against infantry.

>>55345953
Paint pls

>>55346163
>ynnari
>not a faggot
Pick one

>>55346163
Ynnari are the Ultramarines of Eldar.
Dark Eldar players don't want to side with Craftworld.
Craftworld thinks it's probably a trick.
Harlequins don't really give a shit and are either trying out Ynnari for the sake of trying it or sticking to their faction.

>>55346203
For some reason I thought they were -3. Amending.

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>>55345663
Is bringing multiple captains a bad idea or no? Would I be better with another HQ choice to with a captain?

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He's a big Abhuman.

>>55346254
UUUU

>>55346249
What's the rest of the list like?

>>55346228
He's not wrong

>>55346158
No Supreme Command Detachment/10

>>55346273
It's not done yet, just kind of poking around with ideas. I'll post it in a bit

>>55346288
Normally I'd say it wouldn't be cost effective, but again it depends on what else you're bringin

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If The emperors children ever get a codex like Deathguard did, what new units would you like to see? Obviously Fulgrim as the big centerpiece, and new noise marines, but what else could they do with a slaanesh codex?

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So Kromlech is pretty great. Got 10 of these things and they are pristine. Price+shipping was reasonable too.

>>55346221
Do you ever use dual lightning claws on a 5 man squad or just run one with combi bolters or some sort of combi weapon? The sorcerer strat sounds fun as fuck.

>>55346301
pics or you're a shill

>>55346228
>>55346241
It's not like I'm running cheese. I'm just asking if my somewhat fluffy/thematic list would work. The only reason there's even a craftworld unit in there is that I had a 60 point hole to fill and little else made sense.

>>55346223
Ref.
>>55346148

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An eldar army of nothing but Warlocks and farseers in wave serpents flying forwards and piling out and casting smite like mad

>>55346030
Avitus according to the last expansion.

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Blood angels boys

I'm running this guy with some death company because I can

>>55346301
take ten seconds and convert your own, goddamn

>>55346287
Is that good or bad, I can't tell.

It makes no sense foe me to have 6 fucking commanders.

>>55346310
It's certainly not as broken as Ynnari can get. But Soulburst on its own is cheese as shit.

>>55346158
>vespids

You're good man, bless you

>>55346314
>Beating up a turtle
>hi-ya kicking a titan

great """art"""

>>55346340
good for your opponent, bad for you.

>>55346300
Well, with the Deathshroud brought into 40k, I could see similar treatment for the Phoenix Guard. Maybe Fabius Bile's experimental Marines, though he doesn't really have much to do with EC Legion any more, I suppose.

It's sort of a problem for the Children as a whole, given IIRC it's one of the most fractured Legions, that I don't see units like the Palatine Blades or the Phoenix Guard staying together, and they've never really had anything else defining in the lore. I suppose a Cult Terminator unit of some sort, but that's basically just bigger Noise Marines.

>>55346340
Commander lists are a meme.

>>55346314
"I gave her the HI-YA, and an OO-WA. And then I kicked her, sir"

>>55346300

What the actual fuck? What book cover is that?

New units?

>New Noise Marines
>Pleasure Cultist of some type
>Phoenix guard termies for sure
>Would love to have some cultist riding some like... robot chicken with sound guns or something.

Bring it on.

>>55346300
Sonic Helbrute, Palatine Blades (melee specialist chosen, capable of taking advantage of Excess of Violence Stratagem), Phoenix Guard Terminators (melee specialist, faster than standard Terminators, special power spears with high AP)

>>55346341
>But Soulburst on its own is fun if you aren't a powergaming faggot
fixed.

>>55346300
Noise Marines
Sonic Helbrutes
Fabius' New Men, though he is not EC or Slaaneshi
Cult Terminators
Marines riding Seekers or half-marine half-seeker
Various characters.

I want to see Slaanesh given a model now that its living inside a psyker and enjoy the pleasures of the flesh.

>>55346376
If you aren't a powergaming faggot, you just don't run Ynnari.

>>55346379

Slaanesh is... living in a dude?

Are Lightning Claw vanilla Terminators outclassed in almost every case?

I feel like Tartaros are just straight up better than tactical terminators and Lightning Claw assault Terminators

Hammernators seem like a huge gamble even with a vehicle

>>55346300
They could put it in the trash obviously

>>55346391
Yes, Abaddon bought the loyalty of Fulgrim and his legion by gifting Slaanesh a Pythosian psyker capable of being a vessel for Slaanesh.

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>/40kg/
>If you play something i dont like, you are a WAACFAG powergaming autist!!!

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>>55346307

God you guys are paranoid faggots lol

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>>55346300
a big ass superheavy would be nice

>>55346389
So, if you just like the Ynnari characters or the lore, you should just fuck off and play a different flavor of eldar?

>>55346420
p much, my dude

>>55346414

Fucking.... WHAT?

>>55346431
Just don't Soulburst. (do you have the option not to?)

Now that Goulding and friends have specifically written new books to destroy the theory of Blood Ravens being Thousand Sons successors, how does everyone feel about Blood Ravens being Sons of Horus who left Abaddon's authority following the rise of the Black Legion and returned to the loyalist cause originally as an unknown chapter?

Say if I wanted to play IG but do nothing but penal legionnaires is that possible for a first time player?

>>55346446
They're TSon successors.

>>55346249
Captain with 1 or 2 lieutenants is a lot fluffier than two captains and probably better.

>>55346439
no? Ynnari replace their native army USRs with Strength from Death and one of the three spell Ynnari have grants Soulburst. Any unit can only ever Soulburst once per turn anyway.Don't act like it's some broken shit.

>>55346447
no, you only unlock that unit after six months of playing and ten major or minor victories

>>55346431
>>55346420
tbf soulburst is pretty fucken bonkers. It's like the fat kid when you all used to play war when you were little

>oh you killed my unit? ok haha I get to shoot back :^)
>oh I killed one of your guys? Guess I get to charge :^)
>Your overwatch killed my 37 point Warlock, oh no! Guess I'll just move all these banshees closer before I charge!

>>55346446
>Now that Goulding and friends have specifically written new books to destroy the theory of Blood Ravens being Thousand Sons successors
Really? Damn. That is a shame.

>>55346447
How much money do you have to spend on actually hundreds on guys? Also wait until the codex comes out.

>>55346446
It makes sense considering Abaddon's obsession with them. Abaddon wants all Sons of Horus warbands to either die or join him.

>>55346468
Yeah, because it's OP to have an ability that makes your opponent think twice before declaring attacks.

>>55346330
>Death Company
>Sane enough to carry a banner
>Implying the Blood Angels would be stupid enough to give a standard to a Death Company marine


Mate, from one BA player to another, it doesn't work.

Is this a legal list?

Battalion Detachment

Raven Guard Chapter Tactics\

Captain in Gravis Armor
3 x Aggressors
Repulsor

Primaris Librarian
5 x Hellblasters
Repulsor

5x Custodes
Venerable Land Raider

5 x Tactical Marines
5 x Tactical Marines
(footsloggan/infiltratan)

still unsure how the fuck you add Custodes to your list so I just threw them in the battalion

>>55346458
It is broken, though. Even discounting Wraithguard, it's dumb. You get the already pretty good Eldar lists, but now whenever something dies next to your dudes you get free actions. It makes it braindead easy for the average player, and outright breaks the game for anyone with experience (even without trying).

>>55346468
It's not too bad, you just use the opposite tactic you use with necrons.

You kill units evenly instead of focusing things down. That way when they do soulburst, they are doing so with a single banshee or such.

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How varied can tyranids of other hive fleets be? If I wanted to convert some more like pic related, would it go completely against the fluff?

>>55346486
>Yeah, because it's OP to have an ability that makes your opponent think twice before declaring attacks.
>Yeah, because it's totally not OP that I can attack in both my turn and my opponent's turn

FTFY

>>55346486
it means your army can do way more than the enemy can, aiding a snowball victory or giving tons of chances for comebacks every time a unit dies.

>>55346487
A sangunary ancient can though


I'll admit it's not fluffy but we need whatever we can get till we get the codex

>>55346099
I don't think they will fix them but adding +3 to battle cannon shots would work. So like D6+3 that way there is always some dakka.

>>55346487
Presumably he's running an ancient alongside some death company, which is a not terrible choice

>>55346488
It's cool, you just can't use any Chapter Tactics.

>>55346300
I want a vehicle of some sort with big ass speakers on them.

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How would you flush out this list to about 50 power or 500 points?


HQ

Company Commander – 3pwr
-Bolt pistol


Elites

Command Squad – 3pwr
-Voxcaster
-Regimental Standard
-Medi-pack
-Plasma Gun

Special Weapons Squad – 3pwr
-Greande Launcher x3

Troops

Infantry Squad – 3pwr
-Voxcaster
-Meltagun

Infantry Squad – 3pwr
-Voxcaster
-Flamer

>>55346530
Flesh, anon, flesh. Like that thing the Iron Hands are always going on about. also
>powerpoints

>>55346514
>I can attack in both my turn and my opponent's turn
>>55346517
>it means your army can do way more than the enemy can
not if the opposing player uses his brain. Why are 40k nerds so afraid of activating their fucking almonds. Just use a little forethought in positioning your units and you won't get shot via soulburst so much.

>>55346526
damn that's a pretty big blow. back to the drawing board I guess.

>>55346542
This post perfectly encapsulates how all Ynnari players are powergaming WAACfags who are incapable of thinking about anything other than winning.

>>55346540
Really? I guess I always heard flush. Also, I typed it out in word not powerpoint, thank you very much.

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>>55346487
what, you don't wanna see a marine bludgeon things to death with a standard? weird

>>55346432
Black Legion supplement, Slaanesh now walks the earth with a Jesus Christ-like incarnation.

>After a long and bitter struggle, a squad of Grey Knights managed to reach the Damnation Cache and close the Warp portal. Starved of their daemonic allies, the Traitor Legions were forced onto the defensive and finally into retreat. Abaddon's forces left Pythos, escaping the vengeance of the Imperium, but the world had been irrevocably tainted by the touch of the Warp, its once proud cities and vast wilds twisted into a nightmarish landscape. Before the portal was closed, however, Abaddon took with him a psyker, rumoured to be of prodigious strength and the bearer of a unique gift that would aid the Warmaster in his forthcoming Black Crusade.

>From Fulgrim, Primarch of the Emperor's Children, the Despoiler was gifted with the favour of Slaanesh in exchange for the Pythosian psyker, offered as an unblemished vessel to contain the avatar of Fulgrim's god. Ancient hatreds were set aside as the Emperor's Children aligned themselves with the Black Legion.

>>55346549

You need a battleforged detachment of keyword <FAGGOTS CHAPTER> to use <FAGGOTS TACTICS>. So if you want to have both <FAGGOTS TACTICS> and <KEKSTODES>, you need a battleforged detachment and a normal detachment.

>>55346549
Make another detachment for Custodes and you are good to go.

>>55346564
Space Marines are Gue'ron'sha. Poorly captioned image there, friendo.

Truly it is no surprise tournaments are full of Ynarri.
Worst faction, WAAC in origin and essence

>>55346583
t. Ahriman

>>55346583
It doesn't help that taking normal CWE, DE or H has no benefits right now other than being "free" from the Ynnari HQs.

>>55346565
oh shit, that's a plot from Berserk

Going to be doing my first few matches casually with my brothers, thought I would throw my list up here.

This is just a compilation of everything I've got painted, so not exactly optimal.

Necrons - 993 points

15 Warriors
14 Warriors
10 Immortals w Tesla Carbines
2x Overlords w War-scythes & Ressurection Orbs
1x Triarch Stalker w Twin Heavy Gauss

Obviously not a competitive list, I'm looking at getting a Cryptek and upping both Warrior squads to 20. Thoughts?

>>55346522

Maybe 3+d3 would be better. Or even 2d3, that would bump the minimum to 2 and thw average to 4.

>>55346565

I can just imagine the dealmaking

>Slaanesh: Oh hi Abaddon, have you finally decided to dedicate yourself to me and bathe yourself in unlimited demon pussy forever?
>Abaddon: Haha no, I need to borrow Fulgrim.
>Fulgrim: Fuck off I'm in an eternal orgy!
>Abaddon: I brought this sexy psyker bitch who you might fund entertaining to roleplay as for a thousand years.
>Slaanesh: Done deal! Great find! Fulgrim get the fuck off my planet!
>Fulgrim: FUCK! THIS IS ALL GUILLIMAN'S FAULT!

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>>55346549
READ

THE FUCKING

RULES

ARSEHOLE

the fluff behind my primaris chapter is that they're all entitled daddy-boys who insist on keeping their armor immaculate and having extravagant armor
and they look suspiciously like the alpha legion

>>55346583
IMO, GW really dropped the ball with ynnari rules. When the indexes were just coming out, it was the consensus that your entire army had to be ynnari, meaning no detachments could include mandrakes, or benefit from harlequin, DE, and CWE army wide rules.

But then they faq'd it so you could have ynnari detachments next to DE detachments, and CWE and harlequin detachments. That really meant you had no reason not to include ynnari in your army, if you were doing any form of eldar.

>>55346664
How suspiciously?

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>>55345699

>>55346565
This amuses me as both an Emperor's Children player, and a Slaanesh player in general.
So new Daemon God Avatar model when?
>>55346605
Yes it is, watch it be Griffith, or a recycled Sigvald model.
>>55346646
Fulgrim sounds too angry.
Make him whinier and more burned out.

>>55346671
green/blue metallic armor and nobody wants to take off their helmet

So with the inevitable chaos eldar codex probably coming out in December 2018, what can we expect?

Will there be space elves that found worshipping slaanesh could stall the inevitable? Or will they turn to the other gods for "protection"?

>Primaris LTs are 10 more points for an extra wound and attack
>utterly shit weapon options
boo. Marinelets continue to be more fun. Primaris armies are basically like playing Tau

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Time to get the europoors opinion on this rules question.

Are the attacks gained by this rule permanent and cumulative? Can I activate this rule during EVERY combat phase, and stack +30 attacks on my ogryns through the power of space cocaine? Because this pleases slaanesh.

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>>55346583

>>55346681
This makes me happy

>>55346681
purdy

>>55346706
RaW: yes

RaI/if you're not a faggot: no

>>55346643
This is how I think it should be with most of the rng hit weapons. Demolisher cannons should definitely be 3+d3 for 10+ models.

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>>55346664
Hi Aaron!

>>55346720
What is the RaI?

Permanent but not cumulative? Not permanent and not cumulative?

Also, what's gay about +30 attack ogryns using space cocaine? That seems fun to me.

>>55346722
That being said, if you make the number of shots more reliable you need to lower the damage

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>>55345663

How will you be dealing with this?

>>55346730
Lasts for the phase. So you can activate it every turn (even your opponent's) but it's not permanent.

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>>55346570
Kekstodes lives matter, they shouldn't be segregated to another detachment dammit.

>>55346756
>posting your real world fagbook profile in the screenshot instead of horse porn tabs.

>>55346756
>toughness 3 with 1 wound and a 6+
Gunning them down with any sort of anti infantry weapon is the answer

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>>55346756
>No cool tabs
Give me my 3 seconds back.

>>55346756
Hey alex

>>55346778
Just wait for the custodes codex when you get a real HQ, a couple vehicles, a chapter tactic, and your own LoW The Emperor on a Palanquin Throne ala Mazdamundi courtesy of Cawl

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I bought an admech start collecting box, belarias cawl and a battleforce of admech last week.
What am I in for?

>>55346756
I dunno Alex Leggette, how are you dealing with your entry-level IT courses at Virginia Community College?

>>55346756
>0 interesting tabs
lame

Anyway, people on Facebook never play with/against AM so were complaining today how "those priests are broken"

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Vanguard detachment

Primaris Lt = 75
MC stalker bolt rife
1st Eversor assassin = 70
2nd Eversor assassin = 70
3rd Eversor assassin = 70
4th Eversor assassin = 70
7th Eversor assassin = 70
8th Eversor assassin = 70

Stormtalon = 195
2 lascannons, twin assault cannon
Stormhawk = 217
lastalon, 2 assault cannons, typhoon missile launcher

Superheavy detachment
Knight Achron = 495

auxillary detachment
Culexeus assassin = 85

1493 total

after thinking about the weaknesses of my assassin list I've come up with some ways to contend with them. I've got some anti-tank, anti-psyker, and anti-flyer now.

>>55346859
Here, have your (You)

>>55346859
>3rd
>4th
>7th
>8th

>>55346836
A decent codex soon.

>>55346481
It could also be one of Cawl's 'experiments' before Rawbutt told him not to fuck with Traitor geneseed.

>>55346836
The mortal wound spam to surpass Death Guard

>>55346859
>not naming your Eversors after 80s action heroes

>>55346100
I hope they do anon, I hope they do.

With numarines, death guard and necromunda models cadians look like mutants or abhumans

>>55346756
I was surprised to see them officially sponsoring mathhammer.

>>55346877
The 5th and 6th ones are REALLY SNEAKY!

>>55346158
ATS + Fusion is essentially redundant and you're wasting the Commander with that loadout.

What should you put in a repulsor? is hellblasters w/ a company master and lieutenant a good idea?

>>55346340
Sure it does, they're prime cheddar.

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Both fluff and list wise, what would a good ratio of chaos space marine to cultist be, more specifically for the Word Bearer legion?

>>55346756
Laugh at dumbass who fielded useless unit.

>>55346974
all cultists no marines

>>55346510
Looks more like Chaos Spawn than a Tyranid. Nids are all about efficiency, and that is too randumb to be efficient.

How balanced and fun are the new Death Guard looking?

>>55347079
>balanced
No, unless the points costs are absurdly expensive
>fun
For you, maybe. For your opponent? Good luck with that.

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>>55347079
>fun

>>55346424
timestamp or you're straight shilling faggot

>>55347093
I only play 40k with a couple friends and I've no intention to power game. Winning by a huge margin is nowhere near as fun as a close match.

>>55347101
My friends aren't the biggest fan of how important named characters are and we don't tend to field stuff like Carl, Celestica, Guillman, etc.
So if Mort is the only issue I wasn't really gonna be using him anyways.

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These little are too damn cute, what was GW thinking?

>>55347130
>carl, celestica
lmao
Either way, the issue with DG right now is that not only is Morty absurdly powerful, all their other units are too. They have a fucking flail that makes the Deathwing Knights one look like a child's toy, and they can give that to both their standard Plague Marines and their Blightlord Termies. And that's not even mentioning their ridiculous Predator on steroids for only 140~ points. And all their fucking strategems. Shit is broken to hell and back.

>>55347154
And they have absolutely no drawbacks, either.
They're naturally tougher than regular Chaos Space Marines, on top of getting all that cool shit.

>>55347154
I had a chuckle at that too after reading my post. Autocorrect.
And that's a shame, I love the look of the new models, but if they're all that broken I might hold off for a bit until the other armies get their power creep codices.

>>55346530
Not gonna get any help on this, am I?

>>55347153
For the Imperium to d'aww before getting killed.

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Hey /tg/. I started Tau for 8th after I got tired of painting CSM. So far I've got the start collecting box, plus an additional 10 FW, 2 drones, and a turret. What should my next few purchases be?

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Is there any particular advantage to doubling up on squads of Primaris?

What I mean is, why would I take 10 intercessors when I could simply take multiple squads of 5 or why would I take 6 aggressors when I could take two squads of 3?

What situations would make doing so a better choice than minimum squads?

The only two times I can imagine would be if you wanted to same command points when using Raven Guard stratagems to deep strike big units and when you're running out of slots in a Detachment and need to save space.

>>55347079
you know what's not fun for your opponent? Not being able to kill any of your dudes.

You could make a balanced one im sure, but you could be a prick real easy. Fighting death guard will be like swallowing a tack. You can do it, itll just suck going down.

>>55347154
and yet they got fucked by salamanders

>>55347216
None, moral will just kill you anyway.

>>55347214
Optimized Pathfinder maybe

>>55347161
Yeah, and the worst part is that their drawback which is supposed to be them being incredibly slow is negated by their chapter tactic and their new fast attack slots.

How are Necrons doing this edition?

>>55347161
Return of the blessed 3.5 CSM confirmed. All hail the Eightfold Path

>>55347216
Less units means more likely to finish setting up first and get first turn

>All these people bitching about Morty and Death Guard.

>Finally free to play my Ultras with Robby G with no one whining since I'm not the cheesiest army on the block anymore.

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>The Custodian Guard have stood watch over the Emperor's Palace on Terra since the foundation of the Imperium. Charged with protecting the Master of Mankind from all threats, within and without, their fearsome resolve is renowned throughout the galaxy, and their golden armour is the last thing that a would-be assassin or saboteur will ever see. Alongside the Null-maidens of the Sisters of Silence, who are anathema to psykers and sorcerers alike, there is no threat to the Golden Throne that they alone cannot vanquish... until now.

This comes out on Saturday. What is this threat that the Custards and SoS cannot handle alone?

>>55347255
>>55347225
So there's no real tactical advantage in taking full squads?

>>55347153
missile launcher and multimelta look like retooled helbrute parts

>>55347282
easier to daisy chain more dudes into 6'' bubbles if you need

>>55347281
The High Lords holding a frat party.

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>>55347263
>Finally free to play my Ultras with Robby G with no one whining

lol. are you new or something?

>>55347281
s'Orks ya git.

>>55347263

You don't have to bitch about Robby and Morty if you refuse to at against them!

>>55347308
I just thought that the arrival of a new primarch will distract people enough to not care about Robot Gorillaman.

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>>55347153

>not posting kawaii version

>>55347282
Psychic powers, auras and stratagems
5 guys getting rerolls to hit vs 10
Veil of Time on a unit of 5 guys vs a unit of 10
Raven Guard sneak-striking in 5 guys vs 10

>>55346574
Problem there is Custodes lack HQs.

They should get them and a rule that any Imperium force can take them without breaking Battle Forging ala how Chosen work.

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>>55347339
>Custodes and SoS have full armies in 30k
>FW refuses to port them to 40k

Fuck. I feel you on the custards because I want to play and use the Acquistor so fucking bad, but HH is DEEEAAAAD and there are no 40k rules for them.

Have Hellblasters replaced Devastators for anything 36 inches and under?

>>55347339
chosen?

>>55347339
Do you mean Fallen?

>>55347354
Was HH ever really played?

SM vs SM is boring and I personally hate dealing with resin compared to plastic.

>>55347354
It's like FW is sick of money.

>>55347216
well restriction on number of battlefield roles is one reason to take larder squads but the other thing is you can combat squad the units even if you need to have more scoring units or the like.

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>>55347354
FW change Legio Custodes to Talons of the Emperor.

Hope that means something.

>>55347358
You cant put hellblasters in a rhino

>>55347331
>I-its not like I killed those loyalist dogs for you Mortarion-Kun!
>Huh?! W-what do you mean I smell disgusting today?! Baka!

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I am painting my DG as Pallid hand.

What would you guys suggest I do colour wise for the fleshy bits of my dudes??

I am not 100% top notch at making decisions on contrasting colour schemes and what doesn't blend with what... Still in planning stage so not to stressed or set on anything.

And extra points to the person who can tell me whether painting all teeth on the Belly-mouth's, of the new DG models, as black is a good or bad call.

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Anyone else kind of glad to see the power level increasing? I'm excited for an edition where everything is badass and no one army is mono build trash

>>55347378
>>55347359
I should know better. Play a ton of Chosen in my AL lost, my bad.

Yes, Fallen. And Bile.

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Working on a Primaris Apothecary and wanting to change it up a little, but can't think of anything to add or alter.

Ideas? He's an Imperial Fist if it helps.

>>55347449
Maybe give him some honors? That's more painting than modeling, but still.

>>55347354
I feel like they may eventually. Wouldn't make sense not to.

>>55347449
Paint him all bloodied up

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>>55347380

Yes, especially around here, but not anymore. You'd think SMvSM would be boring, but it was actually far more diverse than 40k was because of how different each legion played. You could totally get away with just the plastic kits, which is what I did. A drop pod is a drop pod and a rhino is a rhino, though I did cave and get a bunch of recast extras for my shit. However, I'm drowning in Volkite now, which I will either use as plasma or melta.

>>55347389
That's the only thing that makes sense.

>>55347408
That's the name of the 30k army.

>>55347449
Add a purity seal to his shoulder pad or something. Other than that, get rid of the mould line running along the leg.

He looks cool otherwise. Nice work anon.

>>55347442

Why stress about the colors? Paint them pink on one shoulder, black and red checkers on the other, brown with carroway ink on the face, and then dark yellow everywhere else.

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>>55347442

>>55347446
>memescripts
>any primarch
>Orks
8th is far from balanced and monobuild is still in effect for several armies. Don't get me wrong, it's much better than the shitshow of 7th.

>>55347446
I think Death Guard is still a few notches above what's been released so far.

>>55347380
Each legion is fairly distinct from each other in 30k, plenty of unique units and bonuses.

>>55347281
Natural dead?

>>55347494
I hear you. I only started in 6th, so I guess I can't really speak to balance levels earlier than that.

Rate my iron Warriors list?

1993/2000 Iron Warriors Batallion

HQ:
Slaanesh Daemon Prince (IW relic armor, talons, wings)
Terminator Sorcerer

Elite:
3 Helbrutes (Twin las, missiles)

Troops:
3x 5 CSM (1 Missile Launcher)

Fast Attack:
6 bikers (2 flamers, 1 combi-flamer)

Heavy Support:
3 Predators (all lascannons)

Flier:
1 Heldrake (Bale Flamer)

>>55347492

The mini looks good, but I'm not entirely sold on the base. It's a little too close to the main color of the mini for my tastes, so at tabletop distance they won't pop as nicely.

>>55347513
I dislike the DP for fluffiness, but otherwise it looks solid. I'd gladly play against it.

So who ist tougher now, Plague Marines or Rubricae?

>>55347442
I painted mine in the 30k color scheme, which is very close to what you're going for, I used bugman's glow highlighted with pink horror and a bit of kislev flesh and washed with druchii violet until it looked right

>>55347492
>>55347523
Awesome job! Like anon said though, basing can help.

>>55347513
reasoning behind terminator sorcerer? seems unnecessary build wise

>>55347540
Mainly to suicide drop nullzone and for more smiting

>>55347550
or death hex. Whatever it's called

>>55347550
seems pricey, I would downgrade but that's me, maybe but the points back into your troops

First Ork list
Gray Tide

1492pts Battal

Warboss in MA 136
Kustom Shoota, Power Klaw

Warboss in MA 136
Kustom Shoota, Power Klaw

Boys 180pts
Boss Nob

Boys 180pts
Boss Nob

Boys 180pts
Boss Nob

Nobz 175
Boss Nob w/ Cybork Body 9 Nobs

Warbikers
Boss Nob, 4 bikers

Battlewagon
4 Rokkit Launcha, Supa-Kannon

Deff Dreed
Big Shoota x2 Klaw Arms

Thoughts?

Any ideas if apothecaries are really worth it. considering dropping 8 bucks on a terribly painted one, but wanna know if id ever actually field it more than once

>>55346487
Tbf death company were ruined in 5th ed. If they can have blinged out armor why not say fuck it and give them a banner. Fuck by 9th ed they'll probably have terminator armor too.

t. BA player who misses the good ole days.

>>55347605
Needs at least one weirdboy somewhere in there. Warpath and Da Jump are too good to pass up. Drop a Warboss for one and use the savings to give your boss nobz big choppas

>>55347620
Is he going to bring back models that total his points or more during the game? Remember on average he'll revive 3 models in 1 game. If yes then he might be worth it but he's not an amazing pick and is probably okay to live without otherwise.

>terribly painted
Strip it nigga.

>>55347620
They are.

Being able to bring back a terminator or a Hellblaster on a 4+ is pretty fucking mint, and definitely worth the points.

>>55347624
Termies would make sense tho

>>55347635
I don't think I have a Weirdboy model.
Can I just put some bits on a nob?

>>55347513
Will be decimated by infantry swarms.

>>55347643
Not considering the entire point of DC is to die honorably. Hence why they had shit left over armor originally. Term I armor is expensive and better used on same marines.

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How to make meganobz good inb4 "put them in a naut"

>>55347655
Fucking auto wrong. Termie* sane marines*

>>55347647
Seems reasonable. Just gotta make them look all shaman-y.

>>55347663
Put them in a Wagon

Also put 10 Gretchin in with them, so they can eat the 1s if the Wagon is destroyed en route

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>>55347638
alright you convinced me.

>>55347636
Got help me if I have enough of anything to strip this

>>55347442
I went with Weeping Legion but I think the horns at least are nice with darker colors on lighter colored armors. It's mostly down to preference though, I like the contrast of black or dark brown horns with the relatively light armor colors. As for flesh anything that looks downright putrid is good, I find yellows are good for disgusting flesh but you might want to go with a more sore, reddish look or maybe try for necrosis? Overall it's up to you because I'm not an expert on the matter.

>>55347689
Jesus fuck anon, just get a new apothecary and paint it or something.

>>55347243
Absolutely terribly. They're bland and there's only one good way to run them. Everything is expensive as hell and their anti-tank is the weakest of many other armies.

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>>55347689

>>55347663
Sticking them in a naut is an alright stratagy, Anon.

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>>55347689

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>>55347689
>seriously thicc paints
Actually in my experience, stripping caked models like that is easier than stripping models with sensible coats on them. You will generate a lot of paint sludge though so be ready for that.


Anyway, question about Fire Frenzy to anyone who knows. Does it have to target specifically a Helbrute, or can it be used on anything with the HELBRUTE keyword? Like, say, a gunned-up Dorito who wasn't moving anyway due to the Targeting Array?

>>55347710
Well shit.

I picked up some Necron stuff back at the end of 7th for my first army and I'm still working on building an army. I've got about 1200 built quite a bit more to still build (including a Monolith).

Is there really nothing to salvage from them, or should I just jump ship?

>>55347732
the word helbrute isn't bolded, so they mean the Helbrute itself, not models with the helbrute keyword. Keywords are bolded

>>55347738
My necrons are just sitting in boxes in my closet until they get something useful that isn't forgeworld. The only way I can make my necrons work now is with a tesseract ark and 2 heat cannon sentry pylons

>>55347738
>jumping ship the instant your army isnt top tier
fuck off

>>55346561
This post perfectly encapsulates how most /tg/ players are meme-spamming netlisters incapable of dealing with new ideas.

>>55346542
Just swap armies with your opponent. Once I showed my FLGS how easy it is to beat my Ynnari the complaints dried right up.

>>55347723
Sticking them in a naut makes a T8 W18 Sv4+ unit that's worth more than 500 pts but can still only move 8+d6" per turn. They'll draw all the fire and get deleted turn 1.

>>55347738
Just wait for the codex and hope its decent scrub

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>>55347745
Well shit. Not like I didn't think this was the case, but oh well. This just means I can attach DCCWs to my Dreads without feeling guilty about missing out on maximum dakka, I suppose.

>>55347761
I wasn't aware Crons were so strong in recent editions until after I picked them up, I only grabbed them because they were the army I used back in Dawn of War.

I'm not interested in playing a top-tier army, I normally go for things in the middle. I don't really see the point in playing a severely crippled army where every game is an uphill battle either.

>>55347770
That's the plan, tough it out until then.

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>>55345663
Advice on this list?

not!Raven Guard Vanguard Detachment
988/1000pts, 1 CP remaining

HQ
>Cataphractii Captain: Combi-plasma, Lightning Claw, Primarch's wrath
>Gravis Captain: Boltstorm Gauntlet and Mastercraft Power Sword

Troops
> x5 Scout Squad: 5 snipers, 5 Camo Cloaks

Elites
> x6 Aggressor Squad: all Boltstorms and Fragstorms
> x5 Reiver Squad: Knives and Heavy Pistols
> x5 Reiver Squad: Knives and Heavy Pistols

Heavy Support
> x5 Hellblaster Squad: 5 Assault Plasma Incinerators

Considering swapping out the second Captain for any better suggestions and, as much as I like the knife Reivers, the knives out for carbines if they're actually that awful

>>55347769
because why wouldnt your opponent successfully hit and wound with every one of his shooting rolls
Very reasonable flaw to point out, Anon
Why, I shouldnt even be worried about, say Magnus or a leviathan, I can just delete them turn 1 with my flawless shooting

you just made the game easy for me, thanks

>>55347810
putting all of your AT on a single squad is pretty risky

>>55347810
2 captains is overkill. replace 1 with a librarian for smiting. Aside from Hellblasters, Primaris marines are generally worse than their manlet counterparts.

>>55347101

Well half the stuff Reecius insisted was amazing turned out to be dogshit so by that reasoning we've got a pretty decent chance that Mortarian is actually shit.

Just for possible dreadnought fights and/or shits and giggles, how are deredeos vs leviathans for Chaos?

>>55347389

Hey, they still haven't bothered to put out rules for models like the Mega-Dread that they are still selling. Hell, they even tell prospective buyers that the rules for them are in the Indexes when they are blatently not. This would take all of 5 minutes for some random intern to do and they still don't bother.

>>55347833
AT? Sorry, still learning the game

>>55347836
The idea was a mostly Primaris army and Reivers are sadly the only melee option they have. Was considering throwing in an assault squad if something changed. The cataphractii captain (chapter master) was meant to deep strike in after the Aggressors popped up via Raven Guard stratagems and the gravis captain was meant to hug the hellblasters, but yeah, a Librarian would help so that I'm not useless during the psychic phase.

>>55347446
>and no one army is mono build trash

My fucking Orks would love to have a word with you over that.

>>55347099
its amazing the amount of assmad people still have about jetbikes even though they're not OP as hell now.

Shuricannon bikes (which the ones in the pic appear to be) are okay-ish, scatbikes are damn awful, and twin cat bikes are meh. they die quite easily compared to the days of endless rerollable jink.

>>55345663
First time building a Dreadnought and I bought the Doomglaive model from Forge World. What do I buy to make the base look cool? I kinda want to have one leg up on a rock and have him shooting skywards, but I'm not sure how to go about it.

>>55347866
anti-tank, if someone decently focuses the hellblasters early game, you will have a tough time removing bulkier stuff if they get offed.

>>55347876
Honestly, I'm more concerned about psychic planes this edition from eldar. I had the, um, experience of watching a full wing detachment of them, and psychic planes were a mistake. Also, why the fuck do eldar planes get to double turn, but my dark eldar are less maneuverable than a fucking storm talon?

>>55347886
I see. Any suggestions?
>captcha: only school
In the grim dark future, there is only school

>>55347824

Magnus at least has an invul and can fly, both things that make him much tougher to take down.

You're right that it's by no means certain that an army will blast down a Naut in a single turn. That being said, a lot of armies have access to a lot of ranged firepower, and if they're Imperials, they also have access to a lot of rerolls. I took a Dread Mob against a Salamander force a few weekends ago and got absolute creamed. He did focus fire down Nauts in a single turn without even using the whole army. So it's very doable. And investing that many points in a single unit that doesn't have some additional tricks to make it more survivable like invul saves is a risky move.

>>55347824
Leviathan has a 4+ invuln and 2+ armor save, plus getting bracketed down 1 tier still leaves it with 3+ to hit. That's not even remotely close to as bad as a naut is, which can't hit for shit with Ork ballistic skill and moves a pitiful 6" per turn after being bracketed down one tier. A single devastator squad averages 7 wounds per turn against it, longfangs average 8 wounds per turn. If you bring even two anti-tank units, which you should be doing, then yes you can expect to nearly kill it turn 1.

>>55347922
Razorbacks and storm ravens are the best SM vehicles

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I saw this adorable Space Marine on ebay for 2 bucks, and am almost tempted to get him. I remember being that young and thinking stuff like this was badass.

>>55347824
A unit of CSM plasma termies will barely break a sweat tearing into a naught.

>>55347931
Do it, anon. Give that bastard a good home and never repaint him.

>>55347904
hemlocks are good but once your opponents realize that they are light enough to die to concentrated bolter fire (which they have to fly into to get in weapons range) they become a lot less scary

it doesn't help that as things go the hemlocks are one of the more reliable anti-tank options.

>>55347922
I like dreadnoughts, they also come in handy if you wanna get up close and personal, or plink from the back.

Going for a pearlescent/candy purple as the primary color on Tau. I figure ard coat top layer to give it a sheen, but what does /tg/ use for a deep purple base?

>>55347873
Haven't played my orks since 6th. In what shapeare they? Is green tide the only viable way to win? Are we still incapable of dealing with heavy armor?

>>55347926
>>55347939
I'm willing to bet that if I took a naut and stuffed it with guys, 9 times out of 10 it would do its job just fine against an all comers list
I don't suspect a lot of people will shit out anti-tank when infantry hordes are the thing right now

>>55347959
if you're feeling brave, you could always use a gloss spray as a basecoat

>>55347969
>In what shapeare they?
monobuild
>Is green tide the only viable way to win?
yes
>Are we still incapable of dealing with heavy armor?
yes

>>55347969
Tankbustas deal with armour just fine
I'm planning to convert some from burna skorchas and rokkit bits I have lying around
Only a retarded faggot would think that Green Tide is the only way to win with Orks, lots of builds are perfectly viable

>>55347979
I primed with Gesso; you think that'll still adhere properly?

>>55347984
ronald_mc_donald_wrong.gif

>>55347984
Well, fuck.

How are battlewagons, bikers and fliers?

And at least we got our hidden powerklaws back.

>>55347975
>shit out anti-tank
I wouldn't call two dev squads "shitting out anti-tank." Equivalent points worth of heavy weapons teams will make back their points turn 1 just by shooting at a naut, and that's not even including the points of anything that was in the naut.

>>55347948
Don't they have conceal, too? -2 to hit brutal. Sure, it's only on one, but it makes it pretty sturdy, and I'd be shocked if eldar didn't get some way to cast the same power more than once in their Codex later.

>>55348027
>more things orks literally cannot hit

hahaha

>>55348037
And people thought orks would be good this edition. Boyz and da jump and their only saving grace.

Remember the fate of konor campaign? Remember how they forgot about it before it even finished?

>>55347989

1/3rd chance to hit, with rerolls against vehicles, bringing it up to around a 1/2 chance. Let's run this against a Rhino, since it's a pretty ubiquitous choice. 10 wounds with a 3+ save, and T7.

Rokkits are Str 8, so wound 2/3rd of the time. They're only Ap-2 though, so the Rhino gets a 5+ save against them. They're 3 damage, so basically we need 4 unsaved Rokkits to get through. That means we need to wound it 6 times, and thus hit it 9 times. At 4+ to hit, that works out to 18 Rokkits total.

That clocks in at 306 points. The Rhino is 72.

Sorry but that is not dealing with armour "just fine".

>>55348027
This minus to hit faggotry needs a counter, because weight of fire sure isn't it

>>55348057
Remember when people bitched about the price of rhinos in 8th? Kek

>>55346099
I think +1 to hit when stationary would fix them as a platform. they have the "blast weapons are dogshit" problem, but fixing that would require more of a rework to how blast weapons work in general and is outside the scope of fixing russes.

>>55348067
And that's after their points more than doubled lel

>>55348037
Why are people being so mean to Orks this edition? They've never ever been top tier or cheesy.

>>55347995
>battlewagons,

Overpriced, but surprisingly decent in melee with Deffrollas. 4+ save hurts them a lot, and if you want to use them as firebases, you have to take them at T7, which makes them extremely fragile.

>bikers

Extremely overpriced, they're probably the unit that's suffered the most in the transition to 8th. Losing their cover save hurt them badly, and the extra wound they now have just doesn't compensate enough for that given how many multi-damage weapons are flying around the battlefield. Characters on bikes however are still quite decent.

>fliers

Overpriced, and none really bring much to the table. Not enough dakka on any of them.

>And at least we got our hidden powerklaws back.

Sadly they're outclassed by Big Choppas almost every time. PKs mean you're hitting on 4's instead of 3's, and the random damage really blows. Overpriced at 25 points, they need a serious points reduction.

>>55348027

remains to be seen, but most lists for eldar need conceal elsewhere in order to not have the aforementioned jetbikes shred like paper.

in my case I usually use it from the warlock babysitting 5 shining spears.

Worth not talking Lascannons on the side of Preds?

>>55348085

Because the one Ork build that IS viable is Green Tide. You toss down 180+ Boyz with Warbosses and maybe some KFF meks and just attack move across the board. Did the enemy bring enough anti-infantry weapons? If so, they win. Did they not? You win. It's boring to play against and takes a long time to resolve. And I'm saying this as an Ork player with 200 painted Boyz.

>>55347810
>Cataphractii Captain: Combi-plasma, Lightning Claw, Primarch's wrath

Read the codex you fuck, can't have two ranged weapons on a captain

>>55345981
It's actually the suggested amount in the book. Pretty easy standard.