What the fuck was Fëanor's problem?

>>55344156
He really really liked shiny things

>>55344156
He fell in love with the Light of the Trees, and did everything he could to protect its last pure presence on the face of the earth. Since it was he who preserved it, his love quickly became a jealous one.
Those shinies touch the soul, man.

>>55344156
repressed homosexuality

>>55344254
That makes zero sense.
How was he preserving the light when the trees where just fine when he made the jewels.
And if he loved the trees so fucking much, why didn't he agree to give up the jewels to revive the trees when asked, instead of whining about it like a bitch.

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>>55344269
So when he put a sword to Fingolfin's chest, was that just him being tsundere?

>>55344156
He made some REALLY shiny rocks that nobody would ever recreate, and he liked them so much that he decided he would sooner fuck everyone else over than see them in anybody else's hands.

>>55344156
He has an ego only slightly smaller than Melkor's. That's why he's one of the few Noldor who didn't listen to him, not because he thought he was bad, but because he couldn't stand the thought that someone else would know or be able to do something he couldn't.

>>55344269
He had NINE SONS.
Honestly, I'm more impressed with his wife.

His pretty rocks got nicked what's not to get.

>>55345158
7, actually.

>>55345158
And he plundered all of their boipuccis

>>55344156
Yeah what was his malfunction not wanting to pay a 100% tax rate on his own handiwork. How the fuck did he expect the Valar to maintain the trees?

How different would Middle-Earth be if no one particularly cared about shiny things?

>>55346644
Morgoth would find some other way to corrupt everything, I'm sure. He's persistent like that.

>>55345158
His wife literally died from running out of lifeforce to pour into babies

>>55346688
Actually no that was his mother

I have brought shame into my family

>>55345158
talk about overcompensating ...

>>55344156
Okay, I'm really reaching here but here's my shot:

Feanor was born to a people who didn't know death, but after giving birth to him his mother wanted to die. She preferred the unknown fate of death to living with him.
So he was born with an immense amount of spirit (fea, the measurable quantity of soul Tolkien described) from his father but particularly his mother, which gave him enormous potential in life.
He had a natural creativity that was fostered by Aule's teachings (I thought he was mentored by Aule but this doesn't make sense now I say it). He made quite a few incredible things.

Then he made something inspired by the greatest phenomena in existence and even gods could tell they were brilliant. He, like his mother with him, poured his actual soul into these creations and much like Sauron's ring (but probably intended by Tolkien in a more artistic sense inspired by his own creative works) they were a significant fraction of his existence.

Then he remembered his mother, he remembered that contrary to Elven belief life ended and nothing was permanent and he was traumatised by how utterly irreplaceable and irreplicable these things were. In his precious egotism he couldn't let them go or let them be lost.

>>55350102
From memory, isnt it said that Feanor possesses the skill to even unmake the Ring? Assuming you could get it to him.

>>55353086
Don't remember anything like that. It was mentioned, though, during the Council that even though it was said that dragon-fire could destroy a ring of power, not even Ancalagon could destroy the One.

>>55344156
Imagine pouring your very heart and soul into these objects, your masterpiece, your reason to exist.
Now these bastards say they want them. Who the fuck do these people think they are? Just because they're literal Gods entitles them to exactly jack shit.

>>55355878
>local man and sons ruin everything for everyone everywhere forever

>>55350102
It's a nice theory, but I'm afraid I'm going to have to shoot it down. Elves "inheriting" fea from their parents is an in universe elven theory that fell apart when you started having Elves being reincarnated. You can check it out in Laws and Customs among the Eldar. There's no real link between Miriel's death and Feanor's abilities.

That being said, the shock of his mother dying in "deathless" valinor, and then his father betraying her memory by remarrying definitely had an effect on Feanor.

>>55356889
Wasn't this massive scandal in elven social circles?

>>55356945
It wasn't massive scandal, but it was unusual. Feanor's pretty much the only one to get butthurt about it though.

>>55344156
He was the greatest Elf ever born, and was always told so.
His mother died after birthing him because he was too awesome. His father treasured him above all his other children.
He was the greatest craftsman the Elves had ever seen, and made the greatest crafts the Elves had laid eyes on.
Everyone fawned over him and laughed at all his jokes and basically he was Chad Thunder-elfcock.
No one ever disagreed with him or told him he wasn't the hottest shit to ever live. Failure was completely incomprehensible to him; he did not believe, even for an instant, that he could ever fail at something. His first act when reaching Middle-Earth is to charge Morgoth's stronghold alone like a dickhead. After being told all his life that he was the best and could never do wrong, he actually believed it to the point of thinking he could take on all of Morgoth's armies by himself.

>>55357876
>His first act when reaching Middle-Earth is to charge Morgoth's stronghold alone like a dickhead

No it was burning the ships and letting his half brother to rot.

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>>55357876
>No one ever disagreed with him or told him he wasn't the hottest shit to ever live
Well, no one except Galadriel

>>55358251
Well Galadriel herself is not a 'good' person by elf standards. She either took eager part in the crimes of the Noldor until long years and regret wore at her, and even then she clung stubbornly to Middle Earth as long as possible out of pride, or else she missed out on the initial slaughter but went with them all anyway.

>>55358251
>Tells Feanor to shove it up his ass
>Eagerly gives one dwarf three locks of hair when he asks just because he had an adorable crush

>>55357876
To be fair he was hot shit. When he eventually did die, it was only because his body literally wasn't able to contain his soul anymore and he exploded.

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>>55359340
>his body literally wasn't able to contain his soul anymore and he exploded

That's pretty hardcore.

>>55359363
Yeah, he got killed by Balrogs then he was so busy being angry that his weakening body burst into pure fire and his soul got a one way ticket to the deepest point of the Halls of Mandos to cool off

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>>55358800
Don't talk shit about my elfu.

>>55359448
Big nose.

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>>55359458
Shut your mouth you Morgothian cocksucker. She is the purest and most beautiful being in all of Arda.

>>55346644
>not caring about the beauty you have personally created
You don't understand anything about Tolkien's work and have probably never created anything that you were proud of.

>>55356823
>blame Feanor and his sons for manning up and actually doing something about a literal evil god fucking up Heaven
>not blaming the other gods for not killing Satan when they had the chance, and then sitting around on their asses as he preceded to fuck with all of creation, murder, and rob with complete impunity.
Feanor literally did nothing wrong.

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>>55359883
He probably shouldn't have killed all those Teleri and then burned the boats he just stole a page or two before though. You know, those boats he killed all those Teleri to get

>>55359913
okay. the first kinslaying was wrong, but other than that. Nothing. Wrong.

>>55359942
You sound like a beaten wife.

>>55360073
>the light of the tree(s)

>>55360073
I think it would have been funnier if he only had one stocking on his belt.

>>55358800
Wasn't she with Fingolfin, and crossed by the Helcaraxe?
If she was at the kin-slaying she wouldn't have been allowed in Doriath.

>>55344156
Elves got a one track brain. They get involved in something and they become totally fucking obsessed with it forever. They can't be reasoned out of that mindset. At most you can kill them (and their ghost will persist with that obsession in the here-after) or you might be able to traumatize them through torture and abuse until they're nothing more than an empty shell.

Feanor got his mind set on those Silmarils.

>>55360195
The stockings represent the Silmarils

>>55360272
Fingolfin and his crew participated in that too but didn't initiate, they arrived late and just saw a battle rage. So they fucked up but not as hard.

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>>55360367
>Feanor is a cat

Okay

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>>55360367
No fucking shit.

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What was the deal with Finrod? Why did he seem to think humans were the coolest thing since Fëanor invented sliced bread?

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>>55360494
Celebrimbor also did nothing wrong besides be easily tricked. A love of craft and tunnel vision was his inheritance.

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>>55360550
Ultimately redeemed himself because without him and Talion destroying Sauron's Army and crafting another RoP, the Orc army would of moved much faster.

>>55360567
I love how stupidly off the rails SoM went as far as plot goes, but I can't see Shadow of War (or if they get a third game and intend to do a trilogy) ending in anything but tragedy as you're finally defeated at the utmost and Sauron's war machine grinds onward towards the White City while left with the impression you failed.

Of course you don't, because the books and movies exist to reaffirm that, but it'd be a kind of dark ending for Talion and Celebrimbor.

>>55360505
Because he discovered humans soon after their wakening and when they were still mostly innocent (not entirely, Sauron had already visited even those that had fled west.) So he became enraptured with them the same way a protective older brother would his innocent little sister.

>>55360608
one of the nazghul is literally a rohan lord and its implied that the sauron is actually Isildur

>>55360608
If they try to stretch it out to a trilogy I'm simply not playing along. They should've just properly finished the first fucking game and been done with it.

>>55360567
>>55360608
>>55360639
THAT STUPID BULLSHIT IS NOT CANON REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>55360639
Wouldn't they definitionally have to be from the ancestors of the Eorlings, since Eorl didn't even muster his people to settle Rohan till forever after Sauron was defeated?

The latter is dumb and makes no sense with what we saw even in the first game, let alone actual canon, unless Sauron eats the souls of everyone who the Ring corrupts or something and incorporates them like a giant flaming Borg spirit.

>>55360657
While it should be treated as a fan-fiction (even Monolith agrees with that, but they work closely with the lore masters), it's a fun game and from what I've seen, the new game looks even funner.

>>55360673
Cry some more.

>>55360673
Of course it isn't, but it is fun and super enjoyable in its self contained dumbness.

>>55360679
the thing is, most of the nine were old Numeror kings lest time i checked

>>55360619
>tfw you will never have a wise and immortal elf as your onii-san

>>55360567
>Talion
who?
>destroying Sauron's Army and crafting another RoP, the Orc army would of moved much faster.
wtf are you talkin bout nigga?
Sauron raped Celebrimbor with a pike, and the only resisting he did was give away the three elf rings before Sauron could snatch them up.

>>55360681
"More of a good thing" isn't always a good thing. I'm leery of sequels in general and leerier in particular of stories that could have a perfectly satisfying ending yanking the ball away at the last second so they can franchise.

>>55360709
One of them was an Easterling king. I don't see why Sauron might not corrupt other lords of other lands too.

>>55360709
Khamul is canon and he's an Easterling.

>>55360746
By the sound of it, they plan to end it with this game.
But if it sells (and it looks like it will) they might do one of those prequal things /v/ always freaks out about in which case, it would be interesting.

Got the Gold Edition so I'll be playing it all either way

>>55344156
Feanor is to the elves as melkor is to the valar.

>>55360787
>they might do one of those prequal things /v/ always freaks out about

But we already have the Bright Lord DLC. If they hadn't done that, a whole game of Celebrimbor would be rad but now it'd be effectively pointless.

>>55360567
NOT
CANON

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>>55360805
A dick?

>>55360747
>>55360783
I forgot about him really, but having helm hammerhand as one of the nine just feels wrong

>>55360787
I hope so, I really do. I'm cautiously optimistic because to first game had the unmistakable butcher's marks of a rushed development cycle - the way the final battle just sort of happened out of nowhere, leaving plot threads aplenty dangling - but I'm too jaded to bet on it.

On a side note, have they given any official explanation to how to patch up the gaping hole in that Mordor only falling to Sauron's forces after the Hobbit blew in Gondor's history? If Gondor controlled everything up to and including the Black Gate that late in the timeline when was Minas Ithil corrupted? When did Osgiliath fall? Who killed the last King of Gondor, and when?

>>55360709
Akkalabeth specifically states that 3 nazgul were Numenorean lords.

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>>55360832
Does it matter? We're well past talking about just Feanor here, and it is fun and reasonably topical.

Isn't like Phobos' gay Sauron is canon either but fuck if we don't see that shit all the time

>>55360870
I just read this earlier this morning but the next game happens like a decade after the black gate falls and one of the first things you do is defend Minas Ithil (which is also a tutorial)

This game has three years of development. They didn't rush it at all so it's looking good because EVERYTHING is bigger.

>>55360923
>and one of the first things you do is defend Minas Ithil

Starting these games with crushing failure is just kind of a thing isn't it?

>>55360881
Sauron looking like a girly twink back when he could still shapeshift is canon. It goes on about how fair and beautiful he was.

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>>55360977
I assume the blatant shipping however isn't supported by the Silm.

>>55360962
Your Ring of Power is also stolen by Shelob, which explains why the Wraith is back to square one again because he poured all his essence into that ring.

And yes, start at the bottom and work your way up. It's a nice way of feeling progress.

>>55360923
Which begs the question, again: If they had Minas Ithil so late, was Osgiliath still the capital until then too? Was Minas Tirith still Minas Anor until that late? Did the Line of Kings only end that late?

What irritates me is that they could've solved this with only one or two lines of dialogue that would've satisfied us lore-hounds and also made the Black Hand a more intimidating character with more actual lore attached to him.

"Talion, no! You're not powerful enough to fight the Black Hand! He's been a plague on these lands for over a thousand years; It was he who ended the Line of Kings single-handed!"

Or some such.

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>>55360998
You START with your new ring? I'd have assumed it would be made in game as kind of an upgrade point.

Fuck stupid sexy Shelob. Her entire family is a cancer on all sides

That awful game keeps ruining every single LoTR discussion thread.

>>55361042
Why isn't she a spider?

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>>55361066
>A thing I don't like is being discussed ergo the thread is ruined

Just ignore it and respond to people discussing the Silmarillion and embrace parallel conversations like every other thread.

>>55361028
They could easily put that into the SoW when it starts.
But who knows, we have to wait for it to come out.

>>55361042
You finish the Ring and it's completion rips Talion and Cal away from each other. She then nabs him and says "Give me the ring and I'll give you the wraith" and Talion agrees.
But I think you get it back early in the game because it has a lot to do with the domination system, so getting it back could trigger you getting the ability.

>>55361078
Bottom half is.

>>55361078
Because the developers remembered she's the daughter of Ungoliant and decided to play up her being magical. I actually prefer that more than just the silent monster angle, for a game it makes a different kind of antagonist figure.

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>>55361066
>tfw we are entering the era when even classical literature is going to be mined for franchise commodification
I'm no commie but I gotta admit that this kind of shit tempts me to start throwing rocks at corporate headquarters or something

>>55361106
but Ungoliant was just a big ass spider, she literally only wanted to eat

>>55361121
No Ungoliant was a hungry hole in the world that spiders so happen to look like.

>>55361084
What parallel conversation?

>>55361119
Corporatism is the enemy, not capitalism.

>>55361144
i legit think that she eat herself because jesus christ was she desperate for those shinny gems

>>55361042
>pale skin
>raven tresses
>dick suckin' lips
CAN'T WAIT FOR THE PORN, YO

>>55361179
She wants the S

>>55361091
Quelaag ripoff lmao

>>55360856
That's because that is definitely wrong.
No way in hell could Helm Hammerhand, A Rohirram king of the 3rd Age could be a Nazgul, since the 9 Nazgul first appeared in the 2nd Age.

Why would you think Helm was a Nazgul?
I remember him having a spooky lore, like he left the besieged fortress to kill Dunlending enemies, and one day he just didn't come back, but people still claimed his ghost haunted the fortress or something.

>>55361335
Maybe, plot twist, a Nazghul was destroyed before that point and he claimed their ring? It wouldn't fit actual lore at all, but this franchise knows damn well it is crazy person fanfic town and might just do whatever it wants.

>>55360993
no one gives a fuck about what the silm says if it doesn't ship Saur/kor

>>55361335
because he is one on the game friend and i am angry at that, and apparently so is isildur

>>55361106
Tell me that you are fucking kidding, and a LoTR game did not portray Shelob as a hot bitch rather than a Giant Spider...
Please tell me this post is some kind of inside joke.

>>55361427
Kindly stop looking for things to be offended about, you twat.

Holy shit.
I had no idea that shitty game I vaguely heard about coming out raped the lore so thoroughly...
Oh my god...
It's the worst thing since the Hobbit trilogy.

>>55361427
It did both, not either/or. She's a magical giant spider.

>>55361484
On the one hand, I agree that the Shadow of Mordor thing is stupid as hell, but on the other your post is really annoying and melodramatic
It's a shitty videogame adaptation, so what, it's not a fucking "rape." Don't be a damn drama queen

>>55361484
>waaaaaah

Seriously, I don't get the anger here. Its a videogame franchise which is only canon to itself, who the fuck cares? You aren't being forced at gunpoint to play.

>>55361538
That will always be an awful argument. Just because you're not forced to deal with something terrible doesn't make the criticism that it's terrible any less valid.

>>55361532
>>55361538
Warner Bros, plz just stop defending your shitty game here.

>>55361285
>AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH HE'S GOT A SWORD SAVE ME GOTHMOG

Noldor fucking shits. If it weren't for Fingolfin, Galadriel (not full Noldor), and Elrond (not full elf) people would realize that you are worst elves.

>>55361546
It is also a pretty enjoyable game, so that is going in its favor. And its internal lore is consistent to itself, but is deep crazy town by the main canon standards.

It is an enjoyable product on its own merits, I don't get the issue. The canon issue is like people screaming about if Ultimate Marvel wasn't faithful to 616 canon. It was clearly linked but is also clearly doing its own thing, and when one does something shitty (Ultimatum, the Civil War, etc) it has no bearing on the enjoyment of the other.

>>55361552
Ironically, I'm the same guy who made >>55361119, so I'm definitely not Warner Bros. I just don't like the whiny tone.
I might be being a bit of a hypocrite, here.

>>55361552
Please go back to /v/ with your shit.

>>55361600
>complain about a shitty lore-raping videogame that some actual /v/-fag brought up in a /tg/ Tolkien thread
>accused of being a /v/-fag for disliking such plebe faggotry being brought up on /tg/
full retard

>>55361570
Fingolfin died ineffectively and pointlessly, as rad as it was. The battle was done when he thought all was lost, so his rampage to Morgoth's fortress was basically a pointless suicide.

Which is about par for the course for the Noldor really

>>55361666
>bringing "HURR SHILL" idiocy from /v/ into /tg/, and thinks he won't be shat on
Are you gonna frogpost next?
On the topic, the Shadow of Mordor games aren't bad from any appreciable measure unless you are a /v/irgin, then every game that came out since 2004 is shit and all game discussion is shilling unless it's a sacred cow.
Played it, had a fun time, just as much fun had playing around with the possession mechanics as anything else.

>>55361570
In contrast with who? The elves that stayed in Valinor and did jack and shit and have never done a damn thing in their entire lives, or the grey, forest, and dark elves (because fuck me if I want to look up the proper words right now) who all do absolutely fucking nothing good for anyone at any point in time and are primitive as shit?

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>>55360073
Nerdanel was too good for Fëanor.

>Beren
>Turin
>Aragorn
What is about brooding mortal boys that elf maidens seem to love so much?

>>55361454
You have no taste or standards you whore.

>>55361285
WHEN TIME STANDS STILL AT THE IRON HILL!!!

>>55359340
Nope. His body burned up when he died. The cause of his death was a lot if stabbings.

>>55361149
One leads to the other.

>>55361570
Fingolfin isn't full Noldor either

>>55358825
That's...kinda the point. It's a sign of her character development. Whether for good or ill...

>>55364302
Mah Noldor

>>55360834
I don't get the last one.

>>55361119
Can't wait for the inevitable visual novel based on The Unbearable Lightness of Being.

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I like elves.

>>55353086
If Feanor got his hands on the Ring, yes he could unmake it, being a craftsman greater than even Sauron, but he wouldn't want to.

Instead, Feanor would most likely have taken it for himself, and things would've been much worse for it.

>>55365228
Wouldn't the singular be noldo?

>>55365226
Tolkien kept waffling to the end of his days on if Galadriel started out a haughty bitch who was along for the Noldor ride to hell, or if she abstained and came to Middle Earth on her own but never participated in any of the atrocities (which even Fingolfin and his host, broest of the Noldor did by accident).

Tolkien had a bit of an issue of where good things were always good and bad things were always bad in his writing, but you'd think a good Catholic would have loved the redemption of Galadriel angle.

>>55368270
Not him, but I believe the conflict he never actually resolved was

>On one hand, he does want Galadriel to be an egomanaical bitch, at least to start with.
>But on the other, the logical route for that kind of haughtly, kind of evil elf would be to align with Feanor, and she hates Feanor.

I don't think it's about the consistency of her goodness. Also, I can't think of any atrocities Fingolfin does. You have the hard crossing of the polar ice, but that's not really an atrocity, more of a tragedy.

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>>55368338
>Also, I can't think of any atrocities Fingolfin does
He didn't finish him.

>>55368338
I got the one who was leading the second host wrong. After Feanor starts stealing the Teleri's ships and they resist and it devolves into violence, the Second Host arrives and sees the battle and joins in without knowing this was all started by boat thievery. Fingon was leading this host, though it includes numbers of Fingolfin's people.

>>55357876
>No one ever disagreed with him or told him he wasn't the hottest shit to ever live.
I direct you to Galadriel and the three-time-hair-refusal.

>>55368376
It's also literally an unwitting mistake, and causes some of them to stop the expedition once they realize what happened.

>>55368389
>>55368376
It is an unwitting mistake. Also though apparently Fingon was leading this host, Fingolfin was with it too? I'm kind of skimming the wiki and a text document of the silm right now to see if I have my memory straight and flying by the seat of the pants is never a good way to do something.

But yes, that was a tragic accident more than maliciousness. Feanor was the one who refused to take no for an answer and stole the boats which started that whole mess.

>>55359883
>evil god infuses every single aspect of Arda with his own essence, essentially binding himself to all of creation for as long as it exists
>other gods can't kill him because they don't want to destroy the world
>they explicitly tell you you're shit and your plan is stupid
>NAH IMA SWORD MORGOTH BAUGLIR FOR STEALING MUH CHAOS EMERALDS AND CURSE ON ANYONE WHO LEARNS FROM THEIR MISTAKES
Cue a lot of fucking misery.

>>55368461
>>other gods can't kill him because they don't want to destroy the world
imprisonment is enough. Which worked.

>>55368540
Half way. They left his glam metal boyfriend and all sorts of powerful monsters at large and creation is still tainted, which the bad guys can draw on to do dark sorcery.

>>55368601
farewell to the valiant warlord

>>55368609
The Valar were the true retards here. Say what you want about the execution, but Feanor and his illk had the right idea about what had to be done. Without them intervening middle earth might have been Melkors playground all for himself.

>>55368246
it is, time to reee i suppose

>>55368668
First, Feanor explicitly didn't give half a hobbit's dick about anything other than his revenge, so everything good he or his sons did for Middle Earth was incidental.

Second, you can't say Valar are retards while Feanor had the right idea when Valar were explicitly right and Feanor explicitly wrong. He set out to do something that could not be done and didn't care whom he hurt along the way.

>>55361720
>vehemently defending an absolutely atrociously noncanonical use of Tolkien's work on /tg/, on the basis that it is a fun video game, while calling others /v/irgins.
never even been to that shitty board dude, and I don't play almost any video games any more.
I don't care how fun the mechanics of your game are. It's an atrocious fanfiction of Tolkien's work by untalented people who can't come up with original ideas to sell their garbage, so they piggyback of actually successful art to market their trash for more shekels.
And if you defend the watering down of actually good art with fanfic-tier garbage, so that Warner Kikes can make a few bucks off of Tolkien's sweat while simultaneously pissing on his grave, then fuck you.

>>55368668
Fëanor's motive was the worst, but even Galadriel's motive for leaving was evil, in fact everyone in the Noldor royal family except Finarfin was infected with the sins of pride and greed.

>She was proud, strong, and self-willed, as were all the descendants of Finwë save Finarfin; and like her brother Finrod, of all her kin the nearest to her heart, she had dreams of far lands and dominions that might be her own to order as she would without tutelage... In him[Fëanor] she perceived a darkness that she hated and feared, though she did not perceive that the shadow of the same evil had fallen upon the minds of all the Noldor, and upon her own.
>It was not until two long ages more had passed, when at last all that she had desired in her youth came to her hand, the Ring of Power and the dominion of Middle-earth of which she had dreamed, that her wisdom was full grown and she rejected it

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IM GOING TO POUR ALL OF MY SPIRIT INTO A TRINKET AND
AND
WAIT FOR IT
AND IF A HOBBIT WEARS IT
IT WILL TURN HIM INTO A GOLLUM

>>55361106
Nigger, spiders have been able to understand speech since The Hobbit. Just have Shelob using an orc as a go-between or speak from the shadows. There's no reason to do this "sexy Pennywise" shit.

>>55369062
Have you seen the Entwives yet? Oh, you'll love 'em.

>>55368912
How can it possibly go wrong?

>>55369106
Are they hot seedpods or seedpods?

>>55369218

More like giant nightmare Swamp Thing Slav girls. A force of inhumane nature that's governed by tooth and claw.

>>55368601
Was fingolfin left-handed? Every piece of art I see of him shows him that way.

>>55369106
I thought that was more like a nature spirit or something?

Though, it being a vengeful Entwife could be cool, since Sauron was the one who killed them all in the first place. Maybe he missed one.

>>55369389
So sexy seed pods

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>>55344156

>>55365226
I think it's more of a sign that she recognizes that Feanor was a piece of shit while Gimli is fundamentally good.

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>>55360739
>mfw

>>55368392
Imagine being Fingolfin in that scene and having to be all like "damn, Feanor, you fuckin' right about the Valar, all sexy with your secret weapons and horrific dwarf-like greed. I would totally have you lead the House of Finwe, both as a brother and as a Noldo." when all he really wants to do is fuck his hot elf wife.

Why are humans so worthless and weak?

>>55371973
Dwarves didn't even exist yet as far as elves knew.

>>55372019
The glory of Man is to be achieved in the Fourth Age, which Tolkein did not write extensively about.

>>55372180
Uh, anon, the fourth age is literally just the beginning of recorded European history. It starts to segue into real life at that point.

>>55372159
It's a meme you dip.

>>55371973
Honestly, the only thing I'm getting from his expression is "Go on. Try it. Make my day."

So the Noldor signature weapon is the sword, and the Teleri signature weapon is the bow. Do the Vanyar have a signature weapon too or were they too peaceful for that sort of thing?

>>55372019
They aren't. Have you been reading the books?

>>55372341
I have read the books. Humans are pathetic next to Elves and even dwarves in a lot of ways.

>>55365226
Or that she digged beards.

>>55372320
Yes, it's the spear.

>>55372320
Yes, it's the mace.

>>55372453
Why are you lying?

Here's the citation for them using spears, they're literally called "Spear elves".

>J.R.R. Tolkien, Christopher Tolkien (ed.), The Lost Road and Other Writings, "Part Two: Valinor and Middle-earth before The Lord of the Rings, VI. Quenta Silmarillion", p. 215 footnote to §29

>>55368461
>muh Valar couldn't do anything
Except they do it the first time when they rip him out of Utumno and shackle him
Then they do it again after letting Morgoth shit everything up including the Noldor vengeance expedition force and the innocent second children, Men, when they go rape him in Angband. The Valar went to war the first time to save the Elves, but didn't do shit to save Men, until a Man came across the sea and begged for help.
>>55368540 is right. Imprisonment was enough. But no where does it say the Valar couldn't just kill Melkor. The Valar chop his feet off, and throw him into the Void.

The Valar criticize the Noldor for trying to stop Melkor's evil, and even if the motives of characters like Feanor are less than immaculate, they were doing the right thing to resist evil. The Valar should have immediately gone to war against Morgoth alongside the Noldor, rather than just waiting a few hundred years from them all to get murdered by Morgoth and then just doing it anyway, cuz a guy sailed over and asked again.

>>55372366
Clearly, you haven't read them carefully, or you wouldn't have forgotten that whole Numenor thing, and how even the Valar had to run crying to God to stop them. Or how the pure-blooded elves do jack shit against Morgoth, and every lasting victory they have is the result of either a human or a half-breed's actions. And that's in the first age, it goes downhill for them from there.

And let's not forget the heroes of the main saga are hobbits, who are an offshoot of men.

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So, as we discussed an attempt on Middle Earth's EU that shits on Tolkien, but with a really decent FPS, let's look on /tg/ offerings:

How is ICE old RPG setting? How their effort to create workable RPG world from an epic, few mytos and a fairytale (that's all before media cared about any of them for real) worked out?

And what about One Ring RPG?

>>55344156
>make something great
>in fact, make the greatest things in the world
>other people want them
>somehow people think you should give them to them

why?

>>55375663
Just because you make a nice frame for the Mona Lisa doesn't mean you get to keep it.

>>55375957
Or so Thingol told the Dwarves, and look what happened to him.

>>55359821
Fuck off Chris your father was a pretentious autist and you unfortunately took directly after him

>>55360494
Bright Lord > Dark Lord

>>55376132
Nan iChîr Gelair Mordor!

>>55360870
The Bright Lord did it

>>55374009
Half-breeds are mostly elf.

>>55373441
>Implying the Valar care about humans
They willingly ignore them and refuse to help them at any point or allow them into Valinor. Instead they leave them to die under Morgoth and Sauron. The only time they ever helped humans was when a half-elf begged them, because again, they only care about elves.

>>55372019
We get to leave Arda and sing in the next chorus, do you know how many points that costs? We had to take flaws out the ass.

>>55377159
Elves believe that they'll get to go too once Arda ends so that wasn't worth ti at all.

>>55377414
They can believe what they want, we all know they're getting destroyed with Arda.

>>55377431
A loving God wouldn't do that, anon. Remember that this is a Christian story.

>>55377450
A loving God would totally do that. Just because Tolkien leaned towards universal reconciliation doesn't mean he didn't hate him some knifies.

>>55368095
The Ring had nothing to offer him, honestly. If Feanor is in a position where he could take it, the world is already fucked by virtue of having Feanor in it.

>>55368540
>imprisonment is enough. Which worked.

In all practicality, yeah. But he DOES eventually bust out at the end of time to trigger the final battle which unmakes the world.

>>55378478
He never busts out. Manwe decides he's served his time and lets him out.

>>55378823
Manwe is an irresponsible, elf-obsessed moron. Ulmo is the only good Valar, and the only one that cares for humans.

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>>55372379
>chills with Cirdan, Gandalf, and Saruman
>only members of the Wise without beards are her son in law and Glorfindel, who has better hair than she does
it checks out

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>>55372488
ywn fight in a superior golden phalanx of your fellow demi-god Vanyar, stamping out orcs and wraiths as glorious Eonwe and his vanguard carve up the continent the silly Noldor spent centuries fortifying and besieging

>>55378823
Manwe exists for Eru's amusement, mostly to gravely miscalculate what needs to be done to fix a given problem and either overreacts with absolutist nonsense or ignores problems until they've festered into Melkor's prefered state.

He's almost an anti-zuse, causing woe for mortals with his virtuous lack of id and inactivity.