EDH/Commander General /edhg/

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first for don't buy mana drain because sheldor will ban it because it's became more avalible

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what does the two letters on the right side mean? NM, EX, etc?

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>>55343697

>>55343584
Still need a virgin jace and chad Gideon

God I hate you all so much

>>55343861
MODS

>>55343861
MILF Teysa

Can I build Karador without spending a shit ton?

Yidris or Maelstrom Wanderer?

I've been leaning towards Yidris mostly cause of his access to black but I'm not sure.

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>>55343861
My girl Rashmi.

>>55343861
Liliana, Heretical Healer.

>>55343937
Why not build yidris and then throw big daddy MW in there? Best of both worlds.

Dumb question: If I have a Helix Pinnacle out on my upkeep, and the trigger is on the stack, can I dump a huge amount of mana into tower counters and have it reach 100 to win the game as the trigger resolves?

>>55343861
Queen Marchesa

>>55343971
They have different and conflicting deck constructions.

>>55343829
>when you don't understand a meme

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>>55343984
>literally the first ruling on the gatherer page

>Helix Pinnacle’s triggered ability has an “intervening ‘if’ clause.” That means (1) the ability won’t trigger at all unless Helix Pinnacle already has 100 or more tower counters on it as your upkeep begins, and (2) the ability will do nothing if Helix Pinnacle has lost enough counters such that it has fewer than 100 counters on it when the ability resolves.

I'm really digging it. Lots of fun stuff. Shattergang has been given lots of gifts. Treasure Drain is pretty sweet, as are the flip-lands.

>>55343482
>In your opinion, how are Ixalan spoilers shaping up so far?
Leaked rare sheet had a couple of nice cards such as Scuttle the Wreckage being mass-path and Boneyard Parley being reanimation-FoF.
The flip cards' initial reveal made me go "that's pretty cute but quite weak" but after seeing not!Maze of Ith and not!Gaea's Cradle with easily achievable flip conditions, I'm very hyped.

>>55343907
Envoy of Ghosts?

>>55343984
>Guy has Helix Pinnacle at 100 counters
>Hes a massive autist and is literally gloating about his impending win
>"It has shroud btw :^)"
>go to my turn
>set up a Blood Artist+Zulaport Drain with Sac Outlet and a ton of tokens
>pass the turn to him on his upkeep in response to the trigger i drain him for lethal
The salt was fucking palpable

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>chaining shitloads of cards with Recycle, Aluren and Seton's ability

This deck is rad as fuck, holy shit

>>55344356
Reminder that Recycle triggers on lands too.

>>55343482
>Thread Question: In your opinion, how are Ixalan spoilers shaping up so far?

Really liking the set so far. Great flavor and surprisingly good cards (for EDH at least).

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Halp

Quest for the gemblades or vorapede for Skullbriar?

>>55343482
>Thread Question: In your opinion, how are Ixalan spoilers shaping up so far?
i like the set a lot from a limited perspective. and there a select few cards that will slot nicely into my edh decks. i imagine the dino cradle will be pretty popular.

>>55344527
Quest. 2 mana Boom Veggies.

>>55344527
Quest for the Gemblades has more synergy with Skullbriar.

>>55344564
>>55344557
Thanks.

Scarab or Taigam for Dimir control fun?

Anyone else try building g a competitive Sedris list? I want to be using Unearth to fuel degeneracy (ATM just going off with Deadeye/Palinchron and etb triggers, with Gary as the final kill), and not just use him for the colors because there are way better Grixis commanders out there. I just love the design of Sedris and want him to be worthwhile.

Which commander should I build for spellslinging? Mizzix, Arjun, Kess, or Kruphix?

>>55344697
go Kess, can't go wrong with double spells

>>55344705
Alright. Should I go cantrips and DD, High Tide/Storm, hard control with a "slowly beat face with flying waifu" wincon, or a mix of all three? Also, is Tainted Aether worth playing?

>>55344697
Arjun

>>55344725
go full storm, also run only spells except for creatures that help you cast spells for cheaper and also young pyro but the rest should be spells

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Hero of Bladehold or Grave Titan for a creature that makes tokens on attack? Or both?
Or neither if there's a better choice?
Right now I feel like Grave Titan is better all-around outside of the cost, and I doubt the boost in power Bladehold gives will make a difference that often.

>>55344818
Commander?
But the answer is more than likely hero

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What kind of utility lands would you run for riku?

>>55344818
Get both.

>>55344728
I might build Arjun on the side.

>>55344774
So for creatures I should only bring Goblin Electromancer, Nightscape Familiar, and Baral? And then also Young Pyromancer and maybe Guttersnipe, right? With that creature base, I'd say I could probably work in Tainted Aether, Overburden, and maybe Shivan Harvest.

>>55344901
you got the right idea going mate, many ppl just shove in a lot of spells and ignore that they have to deal with a board, remember that when dekbuilding

>>55344818
grave titan is the better card, especially in edh

>>55344945
Most people I face love going wide, so I try to work in some anti-creature stax before building on my wincon in pretty much every deck that isn't full jank.

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>>55344887
ramp :^)

>>55343900
MODS CANT BAN ME HAHAHA

>>55344618
Scarab is fugged up. Go taigam.

>>55344697
Jori-En

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[handrubbing intensifies]

>>55345071
Jori En is fun, too. Might go for a tempo list with her.

why would you play things like opalescence or starfield of nyx?

doesn't the risk of getting BTFO outweigh having a bunch of creatures?

>>55345132
>safe games are better than swingy games
Nah son.

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>>55345132
Parallax Wave combos + beatdown with enchantments

>>55345149
but my enchantments are things that help facilitate swinging like collective blessing or true conviction

I don't care if my tokens die, but I want them to be HUGE

>>55343482
>In your opinion, how are Ixalan spoilers shaping up so far?
its going to be one of those sets where its going to seem like shit now then people are going to get all rose tinted glasses about it in about 2 years
cause its a shitty but cool set

>>55345208
Then it's the wrong deck for Opalescence and Starfield of Nyx, ya dingus

gimee a deck that can handle Wort ramping to 6 mana turn 2 and a guy who plays tutors, tooth n nail, deadeye, palincron win

>>55345071
>Scarab is fugged up
in what way?

>>55345263
Dralnu or Kess DD Turbo
Grand Arbiter Augustin IV Stax
Patron of the Moon Stax
Shattergang Brothers Stax
Marisil Turbo (dump Sage of Hours + Phyrexian Devourer + Quickilver Elemental with filter draws, tutors, and Buried Alive, flicker Marisil a couple times, take infinite turns and win however you want)
Animar Storm (Cast Animar, get some counters on him with utility creatures, cast Ancestral Statue for free an arbitrary number of times; either swing with a large/large Animar for game, or drop a Storm card with however many copies you want)

anyone wanna take a look at this and help me make edits?
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/p-u-r-e-c-o-n-t-r-o-l/

im thinking about dropping scour from existance but I dunno what to add might want another early counterspell for more early plays

might go with a mana leak

>>55343745

This is the most underrated post I've seen all year.

>>55345414
Aven Mindcensor might be worth running. Maybe Mana Tithe or Lapse of Certainty?

>>55345414
Unless you have a player in your meta that runs Iona-Lock outs scour is not worth it.

As for white counterspells. I run both in Queen Marchesa long may she reign! mostly because I have no other option than forking some one's counterspell in response. Mana Tithe is super situational. But there really is nothing like countering a turn one sol ring or stopping a lethal exsanguinate/fireball by making them pay 1. The salt that Mana Tithe sows is unbeatable. Lapse of Certainty good for surprises and rallying the table into stopping some one from winning but it does not do much in colors that have better options. If tutors are a problem then Leonin Arbiter/Aven Mind Censor is the way to go. I don't really do hard control through and the last time I played against it was Inn-RTR and RTR-THR standard. So I want to tell you put in a creature wincon like Aetherling but that is probably bad advise. Or switch the decks head out for new taigum and get double duty on the spells. Or put in Baral to get more umph out of your counterspells.

>>55345414
>>55345777
Forgot about maybe putting in Tarland the Sky Summoner.

>>55345414
Is the commander a pet card? It really doenst do much, there are alot of decent UW commanders if you wabyed to stay in those colors, grand arbiter does pretty much everything you want

>>55345899
Can't jerk it to Augustin.

>>55345514
I dont want aven since hes a perm and I dont want to run anything that im just going to end up getting wrathd away >>55345801 same with talrand

>>55345777
as youre saying this deck is based on the RTR-THR cleansing control that won with mutavaults and elixir in the same way

also if im looking at a card to put it on top blue has better options than the white card, taigum is just another creature thats going to lose me land pressure and get wrathd away, the reason lavinia is the commander is cause she has an etb effect that serves as a spell that saves me a turn, there is no commander that would be better in this deck specifically at the moment because of that

>>55345899
like I said grand arbiter is just going to be wrathed away and there isnt really a point in the game where I want to tap to get him out
lavinia keeps me alive for a turn against things like elves

think ima just drop scour for muddle the mixture

>>55346010
If you're building Azorius control, you want an Augustin in the command zone. Also you're in blue, just counter the fucking Wrath and then Rift everyone's shit.

>>55346160
counter my own wrath?

thats the dumbest thing ive heard today

>>55345206
I want to run this in a proliferate deck

>>55345243
>one of those sets
What would be some other examples in your opinion?

>>55346178
YOUR Wrath, OK, I thought it was someone else's.

Still, control like this is tough in EDH, seeing as you need a 1-for-1 with every threatening spell, and that's against 3 other players. You'll run out of a hand pretty quick.

>>55343584
Xavier...

A man of great taste I see.

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i make wurm

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>>55343584
are you dumb enough to answer a rhetorical question?

>>55346201
Not that guy, but the premier example is probably Kamigawa. It was absolutely shit to play, but now it has so many "fans" that only really experienced it through EDH and the flavor always asking when Return to Kamigawa is.

>>55346311
We really need a legendary Wurm.

I may also be willing to accept a Wurm Planeswalker. Wurmwalker? The Wurm That Walks?

>>55346311
Who is decorating wurms?

>>55346349
On a similar tangent, when are we going back to Jamuraa?

Come on, Wizards, it's full of black people.

>>55343482
What's the best commander for Enchantress? I wanna use the best card type in the game.

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threat?

>>55346383
Jamuraa is just part of Dominaria, so maybe we'll see a bit of it.

>>55346240
thats what the cleanses are for, same with lavinia who holds the entire field

which is why shes much better than augistine

>>55346352
>Desert set
>No Shai-Hulud homage

Rude.

>>55346397
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bOQRB_Y0h5c

>>55346397

I've been having fun with derevi, I use her to untap lands I've enchanted with Utopia Sprawl and the like, although I will say about 80% of games I don't use her. I just really like bant for enchantress and there's not really a commander that suits the strategy perfectly

There's also Uril who can do enchantress with auras, draw a million cards and suit him up to swing for millions. I'm not into voltron personally but I've played this deck before and it's fun to draw lots of cards and have a 25/25 double strike lifelink pro creatures in play

Abzan doesn't have an enchantress commander per se but I could see Ghave working since a lot of the best cards that combo with him are enchantments

For pure GW, Karametra is popular because she's an enchantment herself, I'm not crazy about her though because you need a pretty high creature count for her ability to be useful, and I like my enchantress decks to be more controlling rather than playing a bunch of creatures.

There's also sigarda who works like Uril, more protection less power. And I've also seen captain sisay used, mainly to tutor Serra's Sanctum and nykthos every game

I don't recommend playing enchantress without both green and white, some people like playing BW daxos but he seems like dogshit to me. I've also seen people try bruna or Hanna, which are a little bit better commanders but not really enchantress in my opinion, because you need green

Green is actually more important for enchantress than white I think, I could potentially see a UG or BG enchantress deck working, for instance rashmi would be fine though you wouldn't be maximizing rashmi's potential (she likes to have a high number of instants)

>want to play artifacts
>want to play B/x (hard two color limit)
>want to play theft
>want to kill any creatures I own/don't own

who would you guys recommend

>>55346645
Olivia

>>55346645
Glissa?

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>tfw dying from my own commander 3 games in a row
>died with over 60 life

>>55346698
Do you play Karona? The fuck are you doin'?

>>55346178
W/U has access to the best instants for temporary, EoT exile
Running wraths with GAA IV is a cinch

>>55346449

>Lavinia is much better than Augustine

She's really not, not even close, but they are different decks. If you want to flicker Lavinia a bunch that's cool, do your thang.

>>55346721
karl. both games got him to 30+ counters and had either laxodon warhammer or my enemy had unblockable

>>55346728
so I have to drop better cards just to get cute with eot exile cards so I can play a commander that doesnt actually save me from a swing and instead makes me lose untapped land pressure just to cast him

>>55346745
I dont want to flicker lavinia, in THIS deck shes better than augustine because this is a straight control deck that doesnt use perms

in this deck there isnt a SINGLE moment I would ever want to play augustine unless I have zero cards in hand, and if I have zero cards in hand Ive fucked up so hard I deserve to lose that game

>>55346770
No nigger. You keep a better commander on the field and tax out the table while you enjoy a continued cost reduction on all of your spells without fear of losi g your commander.

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>>55346770
>asks for help
>people help
>but I dont want that help, I want help that agrees with me, no bully pls
K den

>>55346750
Wht wouldnt you just exile him your self in response to getting stolen?

>>55346785
WHEN would I EVER play him???

turn 4 when I can and let the table have free reign over the fact that I have no mana for counters

or lategame when the entire table doesnt give a shit about some extra mana lost or gained?

hes fucking useless in this deck because this isnt stax, I dont WANT any non-land perms in play EVER, and if I ever have to cast lavinia its a last resort because there should be other wipes in my hand
if the enemy has a lethal swing on their next turn and I have nothing in hand I can use lavinia to get me another turn at life, if I had augustine instead Id just be dead to that

there is zero reason to run any creatures in this deck, and lavinia is a pseudo-creature, basically shes a reusable mass detain spell who sides as a 4/4 pro red

>>55346824
>ask for help on specific shit
>get given stupid changes

maybe I shouldnt expect much from /edhg/ timmys, that was my b

>>55346770
>Don't want to flicker Lavinia
She was my first deck and I still play her over other WU legendaries. You wanna flicker her.
Total lockout of CMC 4 and under can cripple boards dependent on mana rocks and hatebears.

>>55346827
i have like 6 exile cards and didnt have any in hand

i guess i got unlucky then...

>>55346864
or I could just remove all the manarocks and hatebears?

if you look at the list you can tell this isnt a Brago deck, lavinia isnt a "creature" in this deck shes a detain spell

>>55346844
Turn 1 if your not a scrub
She's a higher CMC than augustine
Manaless counterspells exist
Lavina is dogshit vs anything with haste or > 4CMC
She does nothing if you're already ahead
She doesn't get you ahead, only stall
1/3 of her Detain is lost on your deck if you dont plan on attacking

Seems like a piss-poor choice for a control shell commander

>>55346875
Did you not have BW available for Karl to off himself?

>>55346443
It's also the only part of Dominaria that survived the Phyrexian War unscathed.

Literally we is kangz.

Also they still have the rig, so they're capable of both industrial creation of planes and mass planarcide to charge batteries.

WWWWW

Sorcery

"Gain 1 Life. Choose an opponent with more life than you. Copy this for each point of life in difference."

>>55346929
her point is to stall dipshit, augustine does nothing in her place

>>55346875
Karlov can exile himself you massive scrub

>>55346941
Augustine is a hard control commander
What are you smoking?

>>55346930
>>55346948
oh.

>>55346949
retard

>>55346936
Wrong thread to post your stupid cards which should read "Choose target opponent with more life than you. Gain life equal to the difference."

>>55346645
Wrexial the Risen Unblockable Because Everyone Plays U and/or B

>>55346962
Out of explanations for running a waifu shit-tier commander already I see

>>55346977
youre actually retarded if you dont understand why I want a usable spell in the command zone instead of a card I will never cast

>>55346962
>I'm splitting hairs!
>Why doesn't this guy understand me when I phrase my opinion as casually as possible!
>Obviously he isn't as high INT as me
There are better cards for keeping shit tapped than Lavina.
GAAIV is an amazing control card and works just as well for counterspell tribal as Baral does.

If you want to point out a cards usefulness don't pretend that generalizing archetypes will help your case.

>>55346983
Augustine is a better usuable spell

Mairsil check, how are y'all's jank piles coming along? I finally got most of the cards I needed. Gonna cut all the energy, charge counter and prolif stuff. Trying to focus in on {T} and {Q} abilties.

I want to build hard control in every color combination. Help me fill in the gaps:

>C: Karn, Silver Golem

>W:
>U: Baral, Chief of Compliance
>B: King Macar, the Gold-Cursed
>R: Kazuul, Tyrant of the Cliffs
>G:

>WU: Grand Arbiter Augustin IV
>UB: Dralnu, Lich Lord
>BR: Malfegor
>RG: Borborygmos Enraged
>GW:

>WB: Daxos the Returned
>BG: Glissa, the Traitor
>GU: Kruphix, God of Horizons
>UR: Jori En, Ruin Diver
>RW:

>WUB: Sydri, Galvanic Genius
>UBR: Kess, Dissident Mage
>BRG: Shattergang Brothers
>RGW: Jenara, Asura of War
>GWU:

>WUR:
>UBG: Damia, Sage of Stone
>BRW: Mathas, Fiend Seeker
>RGU:
>GWB:

>UBRG: Vial Smasher the Fierce / Thrasios, Triton Hero
>BRGW: Saskia the Unyielding
>RGWU: Kynaios and Tiro of Meletis
>GWUB: Thrasios, Triton Hero / Ravos, Soultender
>WUBR: Breya, Etherium Shaper

>WUBRG: Ramos, Dragon Engine

>>55346990
>>55346989
I mean, I kind of get what he means. It is stupid, but he means that he wants to literally wrath every turn and make sure no permanents are ever in play.

Since he is only ever casting wraths, Augustine would be a poor play and would essentially function as a one time Sphere of Resistance. Lavinia functions as a one turn detain that will give him time to draw another wrath.

>>55346990
you dont know jack shit about control

>>55346989
there are better cards for keeping shit tapped, none of them are UW legends

this isnt counterspell tribal if you actually looked at the deck and understand what its trying to do you would realize that augustine is actually useless and there isnt a SINGLE scenario that you would want him in your command zone over lavinia
but since you dont understand how different control decks work you see UW and assume augustine is the best

>>55346844
>maybe I shouldnt expect much from /edhg/ timmys, that was my b

Yet here you still are.... :^)
If you didn't want people to offer changes you shouldnt have posted this pile of shit in the first place, take your stupid waifu cards back to double chan

>>55346844
>hes fucking useless in this deck because this isnt stax, I dont WANT any non-land perms in play EVER, and if I ever have to cast lavinia its a last resort because there should be other wipes in my hand
>if the enemy has a lethal swing on their next turn and I have nothing in hand I can use lavinia to get me another turn at life, if I had augustine instead Id just be dead to that
You are legitimately the worst EDH player I've ever seen post here.

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>>55347054
Get a load of this newfag, he is the control master, evwryone listen to him

>>55347064
>I only cast my commander as a 1-turn fog

>>55347054
>first time on edhg
>post a garbage fire of a deck
>tries to talk up his pet card because its his 3rd game of magic
>literally the best player on the site

I get that the guy is a faggot, but if you are literally wrathing every turn, an ETB general is better than Augustine. Augustine needs to stay around to be worth the mana.

>>55347018
Does hard control involve stax? In that case for all of them missing:

W: Hokori, dust drinker land stax
G: Kamahl Fist of Krosa land destruction
GW: Karametra or Sigarda prison enchantress
RW: Bassandra forced combat
GWU: Derevi stax or Roon flicker, can both be super control
WUR: Numot Land Destruction
RGU: Riku doubling spells
GWB: Ghave control until you combo out

>>55347018
You've got a shit ton of options for white so it's really up to you. Linvala/Thalia, heretic cathar/ Hokori/ eight and a half tails

>>55347011
Phyrexian Devourer (errataed to be X +1/+1s instead of 1 +X/+X) + Sage of Hours
Grinning Ignus + Gilded Lotus + a little bit of spare mana to start the combo rolling
Ephemeron/Cavern Harpy to dodge removal
Leashling + Charmed Pendant + Nicol Bolas + Grinning Ignis, Endbringer's Revel or Phyrexian Reclamation is in play

Remember your Rings of Brighthearth and Illusionists' Bracers

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>>55347094
>Cast commander for 5 mana
>fog one creature cmc 4 or less
>wrath and kill my commander
Next turn
>cast my commander for 7 mana
>fog one creature cmc 4 or less
>wrath and kill my commander
>cast my commander for 9 mana...
Now this is podracing!

>>55347096
Stax is definitely included. And thanks for all that. Kamahl and Karametra look particularly fun.

>>55346844
Wait hold the fuck up

How is a commander that cheapens your removal, of which the majority of your deck consists of, /AND/ lets you take advantage of the cost reduction to cantrip more freely instead of holding more mana up worse than a commander that doesn't accentuate your deck's abilities properly? By your own admission, Lavinia is an absolute last resort, but your deck is quite literally built for responses, many of which are outright better than her, while being a similar cost. If Augustin can help you to the point that you're reliably getting your answers and also cantripping through your deck with the extra mana, he's providing an effect that you don't have room for in your deck whenever you need it, instead of an effect that you're already past critical mass for. Wouldn't it be more prudent to have access to that effect, especially considering that your deck has next to no ramp and could be bowled over before it can establish itself?

>>55346663
>R/B Vampire waifu aristocrats

I'm in

>>55347182
Make sure you run Captivating Vampire and New Blood. Shit gets super ridiculous.

Considering building Edgar Markov as my next commander.

Wondering if any of you guys would be willing to share your builds here so I can get some ideas for the deck. Already checked out edhrec for a general idea so I'm just curious to see how people are running their decks specifically.

What are some staple pillowfort/stax/etc. cards in each color?

>>55347164
Pearls before swine anon

>>55347150
>phyrexian devourer
spicy

>>55347213
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/edgars-bloodfest/

my build is slower than most. I really dont like the go wide strategy because Id need to run a bunch of cheap vampires and imo the best ones are 4 cmc and higher.

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>>55347245
Its like a running gag now

>>55347302
That post is 4 years old - I wasn't sure if it was outdated and missing things from recent years.

>>55347302
>2013
I'm sure there have been absolutely 0 additions or new cards to come out since then.

>>55347311
>>55347387
Hey now, it's not that outdated.
>Last edited by Phil:Dec 31, 2014

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>>55347425

>tfw the zur player fucks you over while kozilek gets to dick around and win the game

so annoying

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>>55347521
>you were a good enough player to see what was happening
>but you couldn't stop it
It can mean only one thing...

>>55346325
I know you are, but what am I?

>>55347213
Not optimized at all; haven't had a chance to play with it much. The Ranger of Eos package is probably a bit too much, and the Sunforger package feels lacking. Needs some serious work as it's mostly just a BW token deck plus Puphoros. The vampire count is criminally low.

I still had fun controlling the board the few games I've played.

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/edgar-tokens/

>>55346352
Well, Teysa is also a planeswalker, even though bitch is straight from Katawa Shoujo

>>55347644
What? Where and when is that said?
Or is this a joke because she can't walk?

>>55347678
She's a cripple. She's a planeslimper

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will the price drops when he rotates?

>>55347644
>Well, Teysa is also a planeswalker
Since when?

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>>55347644
>Tesya
>Planeswalker
>Cripple
Since fucking when?

>>55347763
Hard to call, usually if a card sees play in modern the price stays, it sees play in a few modern decks, however its price has tanked to 50% of its previous value since mm3, will it drop? probably but not below $5-$7

>>55347644
>bitch is straight from some dumb weeb shit
Fuck off.

>>55347806
That cane is a good giveaway, she walks like a crab with cerebral palsy, she traded her spark for a disability pension

>>55347806
>>Cripple
For a while, see cane. Planeswalker part is completely unfounded.

Mucking around trying to make a Karona voltron/pillowfort deck thing, is it weird to have a 5 color deck heavily skewed towards certain colours or is that normal? Atm it's basically W/G, then U/R, then like literally two B cards. I didn't really pay attention to what colour stuff was when I was brewing and that's just how it has ended up so far.

>>55347853
A friend of mine pretty much exclusively plays 5-color decks. They tend to skew primarily green, with maybe another primary color based on your focus (white in your case because it's good for both pillowfort and voltron), and away from one color (black doesn't do much for pillowfort or voltron when you have options in the other colors).

>>55347920
Okay cool. I've only just started brewing/making my own decks for EDH and I've never made anything above 3 colour or even really 2 colour in general so I wasn't sure, cheers.

Who's a better commander for an elfball deck, Ezuri or Freyalise?

>>55347967
Make sure you have plenty of mana fixing, especially if you don't have a fancy mana base. Spells like Cultivate, Harrow, Kodama's Reach, and Explosive Vegetation can be the difference between playing and not playing.

>>55348019
Ezuri. Having easy access to him to spam overrun is critical.

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>>55347644

>>55348019
Ezuri. The manadump he provides allows you to win when you're at critical mass, instead of just eating a Wrath/Aetherize/Chain Reaction/Blasphemous Act

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Just got the orzhov 2015 deck, any spicy tech for this bad boy?

>>55348074
The garbage.

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>>55348074
:^)

>>55348074
Anything that lets you bounce your enchantments or self-recurring enchantments and a sac outlet so you can get more counters.
Brilliant Halo, Cage of Hands, Cessation, Conviction, Despondency, Diabolic Servitude, Fallen Ideal, Flickering Ward, Forced Worship, Glistening Oil, Gossamer Chains, Leshrac's Sigil, Mourning, Shackles, Sleeper's Guile and Spirit Loop.
That's from a quick gatherer search of self-recurring enchantments, but I'm sure there's plenty of ways you can sac an enchantment creature, return it to your hand from it dying and then play it again over and over.

>>55348074
Auratog Voltron

>>55348074
Run uncle karl lifegain/pillowfort daxos is crapxos

>>55348074
play Razaketh. you'll be making a shiton of creatures.

also, Eldrazi conscription and Overwhelming Splendor to fuck people up

>>55348074
Serra's Sanctum&Cabal Coffers + Skybind
Make spirit enchantment tokens, bounce your lands, they return at your endstep untapped, make more spurits before passing turn and bounce an opponents threat so that it wont return until the next endstep
With enough mana, you win by simply blanking everyone's lands during their turn as well as any threats they put out.

>>55348074
I will never understand why people want to play precon commanders. Boring, unoriginal, and more often then not, one will always be at the table.

>>55348311
What are you talking about?
Blaxos is incredibly unique, he's an Enchantments Matter commander in B/W that scales harder than any of the other 2015 commanders with XP counters. He makes enchantment tokens. The strat may be slow but that doesn't make it unoriginal.

>>55348337
Daxos is a failed attempt at a failed mechamic that mizzix did best. Arahbo did weenies matter better, the green white god does enchantments better, sidisi is a better meme black deck, karlov is a better orzhov commander, kytheon is a better meme white deck, and oketra/heliod do tokens in the command zone better. I cant imagine why anyone would want to play daxos other than somebody playing it for a change of pace.

who were the most popular commanders before C16?

>>55348421
Man after getting back into magic and commander daxos was my first buy(because I love orzhov). Bou did I regret it

>>55348574
I bought daxos, the most noticable results Ive gotten from the deck were the aura of silence they printed in it. I recently cockblocked half of a maelstorm wanderer trigger with it.

>>55348613
Yeah aura of silence is one of my pet cards. If my deck has white in it aura goes in

>>55346311

Noob question here, but does that mean any creature it blocks or gets blocked by it gets destroyed before the damage step and thus wouldn't put damage onto the wurm?

Anyone mind putting some eyes on this for me? It's the first deck I ever made years ago and I'm getting around to re-tuning it after not messing with it for a while.
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/around-elves-watch-yourselves-1/

>>55348421
>oketra/heliod do tokens in the command zone better.
You almost had me. You have absolutely zero clue what you're talking about.

>>55348678
Yes, that's exactly what happens. The card is unplayable in most formats but at the least it's a flavour win.

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Quock, I need flavor cards! Bribery, clones, pirate ships, thieves auction, etc!

>>55348752
Something with rope since she seems to love it so much, jesus just look at that fucking outfit.

>>55348752
Giant Shark is obligatory flavor. Bedlam is secret tech to get your pirates through. Kukemssa Pirates steals rocks for days. Greed is good. Grinning Totem is fun. Expedition Map goes without saying.

>>55348752
Is the threads used to sow that uniform miniature rope looking threads?

>>55348752
Conjured Currency.
Briber's Purse.

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>>55348752
>Quock

>>55348752
Blatant thievery
gild
skeleton ship

>>55347521
Kill yourself max

>>55348074
He's unironically one of the worst commanders ever printed.

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LOAD THE CANNONS!

>>55348684
1 drop mana elves like llanowar elves, elvish mystic, fyndhorn elves, elves of the deep shadow, boreal elf, AND arbor elf. Ezuri, eladamri. Craterhoof behemoth. Spirit of the harvest. Praetor's council and /or creeping renaissance for recursion once you inevitably get board wiped.

>>55349157
What's a good amount of lands to run with all of the mana dorks and rocks and other ramp like sylvan scrying/rampant growth/cultivate/kodama's reach

>>55349180
I run 28, but I'm running a mono green ezuri elfball deck so I only need like 3 la 3ds to get going. I'd say 32 ish is probably good for your deck? Low ish curve.

>>55349180
Also argothian elder is good, grabs infinite black mana with your rot farm and wirewood lodge. Yeva is good, like your vedallen orrery. I use dosan even though he's not an elf to protect me on the turn I go off into elf-blivion but its not necessary.

Praetor's Counsel in Kruphix
Yes or no?

>>55349377
Yes.

Hit me with that mono-black jank fun-fodder

>>55343584
>>55346325
4chan_discussion.swf is actually a series, holy shit.

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>>55349513

Kinda sad it's not treasure/the new pirate card doesn't work with gold with how the new set turned out.

>>55349530
He's just a rich man with a fuckload of expensive cars, he's not a pirate

>>55349552

Yeah, it just would have been a fun interaction with two mechanically the same tokens.

>>55349530
The only difference that I see is that the treasures needs to tap, but does this make any difference in the set? I feel like they were too afraid to make gold tokens a recurring theme, and it ended up being too good or something. Just like why the new eldrazi spawns are different.

>>55349600
>but does this make any difference in the set?
Not this set, but it does in standard with Improvise perhaps? Although I thought improvise was something you do last AFTER paying with mana sources, so if you were paying for improvise then you were past the point you could sac for mana as a mana source.

I have a question, if I use a spell that duplicates the counters on a Target permanent I own does that count as putting a counter on the card for cards like corpsejack to activate their effects

>>55349636
Yes, in case of corpsejack you put double the amount you were about to put effectviely quadrupling the amount of counters on that permanent

>>55349628
Yeah, maybe it would be confusing for new players if you could or not pay with improvise and sac at the same time. But that just shows how bad they are at thinking stuff ahead, even though they say that they think.

>>55346844
>>55346770
You are tragically retarded, wow

>>55347158
All creatures and artifacts CMC 4 or less. Also, he did say he never wants to cast her.

>>55346349
Fuck you, I liked Kamigawa.

>>55347094
>not protecting Augustin so you can cast wraths cheaper
Also, you even get the bonus of making it harder for the other players to come back from a wrath.

>>55346844
Your deck plan fucking sucks and will never work. You're simply not winning with that. You will run out of gas no matter how much card draw you have because you're running like no ramp and nothing to protect you outside of straight answers. You're not going to be able to answer anywhere close to the amount of stuff you need. We're trying to help you make a functioning deck, not enable your dumpster fire of a pile.

>>55346933
The Mana Rig was on Shiv, which is not Jamuraa (it is, in fact, Jhoira's home turf). Jamuraan civilization got phased out to escape the Phyrexian Invasion but as of time spiral those regions got trapped in phaseland for all eternity, unlike Shiv, leaving only the dregs of Jamuraa that survived to and through Time Spiral. Most other areas of Dominaria fared pretty similarly by the same point in time, heck Benalia was surprisingly non-extinct in Time Spiral after what happened to them in the Invasion.

But then anything's better off than Otaria. The whole continent was rendered utterly lifeless salt wastes.

>>55346349
Kamigawa was shit to play, but was always popular with storyline fans and got some new life from its massive fist-full of legends and legends-matter with the rise of EDH. It's not totally unbelievable that they might pull a return (it's been discussed what it would take. Short version is fewer Kami, more ninjas) especially when there's a distinct connection to Nicol Bolas, current top villain.

>>55346349
>It was absolutely shit to play
Only because Wizards made it intentionally shit after Mirrodin

>>55346349
Kamigawa was only shit to play because most people expected it to be as strong if not stronger than fucking mirrodin. If you play it by itself, its completely fine.

>>55350342
>If you play it by itself, its completely fine.
Not really? OK, it's internally consistent but so is fucking Homelands. It did get an *extra* bad rap for coming right after Mirrodin (like Masques after Urza's or FE after Legends) but compare the card quality in Kamigawa Block to Odyssey, Onslaught, Ravnica, or Time Spiral (the two blocks on each side if you ignore Mirrodin) and it's still the pathetic problem child where most things cost way too much and the creatures have really anemic stats. There are a few exceptions, like Kodama of the North Tree which was pretty solid for its era, but by in large Kamigawa was "Pay 5 for a 2/2 with a piddly little upside that could have been interesting on a cheaper or better body" land.

>>55347816
>KS
>weebshit

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>>55350339
>gatewatch goes to kamigawa
>finds the only person capable of defeating nicol bolas
>tetsuo umezawa gets printed as a kick ass veteran of war, and he defeats bolas against all odds

do it

>>55346196
Nah, use the effect 5 times then sac it before the triggers resolve.

>>55350399
So, you agree that it is completely fine if you play by itself. I liked it because it had really fun mechanics, and I really loved the focus on legendary creatures. I thought it was a fun block to play, but when you put in other sets in the mix, it flops hard for the same reasons you listed.

In the end, I am complaining about the "absolutely shit to play", its only shit if you mix in other sets.

>>55350438
Mixing in other sets is the whole fucking point of Magic though. Block constructed has next to zero longevity. Don't get me wrong, I actually like Kamigawa, but refusing to admit it had power level issues, not just perception issues, strikes me as a wee bit delusional.

>>55350232
Fuck you, you're in the minority.

>>55350342
>If you play it by itself, its completely fine.

You'll note that it's the job of a set to be good in Standard. If you play it by itself, the fact that it's extremely fucking parasitic, low power, and slow doesn't seem as off, but a block doesn't exist "by itself". It was shit contextually, which means it failed an important part of it's intended purpose.

>>55350239
Putting in darksteel plate is cutting wraths to support your general.

Essentially, he wants his general to be an after thought. He wants the whole deck to be wraths and manlands for the finisher.

Augustine is undeniably a house and wrathing every turn and winning via manlands is probably a bad idea. But adding Augustine with no change in strategy or deck construction is not a good idea. Nor would putting in ways of protecting him, as you'd be better off just cutting wraths and developing board presence like any other UW deck at that point.

>>55350399
They raped the costs and stats BECAUSE of Mirrodin. They straight up tacked on an extra 1 for anything with Bushido despite it being irrelevant most of the time.

>>55347150
My problem with Rings is that it goes infinite with basalt and of the two, I'd rather have Basalt.

Illusionists, I do need. I swore I had some.

>>55350531
Irrelevant most of the time in EDH, but creature combat is a thing elsewhere.

>>55350531
The reasoning behind it doesn't change the reality of it.

>>55350531

Bushido could have been fun if it had turned up at the same time as fight/they priced it aggressively. Make it 'When this creature fights, it gains +X/+X until end of turn'.

So they ruin people in duels and every fight is a buff spell for a samurai. Instead it just ended up 'This creature does less damage to players and resists burn worse for it's price'.

I hate that every Jund deck just feels like bad Prossh.

My Sek'kuar started with a unique idea, but I fucking need Gravepacts and the other usual suspects to compete. So, it just gradually turned into bad Prossh.

>>55350594
It's why I really wish we had a proper lands general or -1 counters jund legend.

So, you can currently get ten filter lands for about 150 dollars. I even saw the Expedition ones for like 30 bucks each.

Is it worth snagging my 10 now and being done with it? Or do they really have a chance at being reprinted?

>>55350458
>but refusing to admit it had power level issues, not just perception issues, strikes me as a wee bit delusional.
This is just a strawman, I never said any of those, or even implied them, especially when I said that it flops hard.

Saying that it was "absolutely shit to play" though, is wrong. And about the longevity of it, I play online with simulators with my friends, so I can play a draft of alpha if I want.

>>55350484
>a block doesn't exist "by itself"
Not if you are playing my favorite format, drafts, and Kamigawa had some of best drafts I have ever played. I am not saying that Kamigawa was good in standard, or that it didn't have parasitic issues, but saying that it is wasn't fun is not seeing it from all its sides.

>>55350399
Actually all of the Kodama of the X Tree cards were fine in their own way, south especially.
Going through the set on gatherer, there's a lot of cards that are totally fine power level wise for the sort of chaff that's been printed in standard recently too so you can't say times are really much better now.
The real issue with the set at it's core isn't the costs, but the mechanics that made R&D cost the cards so high in the first place. Soulshift is the biggest culprit of this because "This makes value chains" is just something you can't cost fairly, while Splice onto Arcane was costed in a way like they were deathly afraid of storm despite also making it parasitic as hell. Splice really should have been "Splice onto Instant/Sorcery" with flashback priced mana costs. Then there's Bushido which while thematic was just a mechanic that would never work in a fun way, either having to understat the creatures to make them fair or end up with a total nightmare of a set with the best creatures in the game.

Add to this the legend rule at the time applying to ALL players and you had a big pile of mistakes. Sweep is shit but at least it had the decency to only be on 4 cards.
If you look through the ogres/demons of the set you can see a fun little synergy they had at play there and for the most part the snake and goblin tribals for the plane had solid identities and good themes behind them and even Moonfolk were a cute tribe even if they were overcosted as hell, you could tell they were going for a "handsize matters" theme and were set up to be the enablers.

All in all I'd still rather a second Kamigawa tier set that is at least bursting with good flavour, interesting art and unique cards than something like say BFZ which was memorable for only three things: Gideon, Reflector Mage, and every other card being absolute shit.

Actually go and look through the Kamigawa sets and compare it to BFZ/Oath and I think you'll be surprised by how decent most of Kamigawa was.

>>55350588
I'd really like them to revisit Bushido and modify it some (plus new name). Making them good duelists is flavorful and it would be more than just a constant buff. A Fight mechanic about honorable duels would be pretty sweet. Maybe give Samurai a lord that can make them fight and gives you a reward if you win.

>>55347018
W:>>55347120
G: Dosan or Vorinclex

GW:Gaddock Teeg

RW: Archangel Avacyn

GWU: Angus Mackenzie or Rubinia if you don't have the dosh

WUR:Narset
GWB: Anafenza Hatebears
RGU: Riku of the two reflections

>>55350741
Honestly, I'd just like to see what the block would've been like if it didn't follow Mirrodin. Better costed everything, Splice actually working, some better stats here and there. Looking at a lot of the worse cards, I can see how just a simple change could make them decent to good. It's a shame that we won't be seeing a return to Kamigawa for a long time, if ever. And even if we do, it'll be less cool and weird Kami and more Ninjas and Samurai (but at least those will probably be done justice).

>>55350497
So he is just better off using Oloro. Not only he gets access to more wraths and manlands, he also doesn't need to think about his general at all. He doesn't even need to change his deck, Oloro doesn't need to be cast, and considering how long he thinks the game will take, Oloro will give much more life than what a 4cmc Lavinia could stop.

>not changing the deck
He was literally asking for deck building advices, so asking to not change anything is retarded. You can still play wraths and manlands with Augustin, and he is better at it than Lavinia, he just needs to change a couple cards.

>developing board presence
Yes, that would be a good idea, but he doesn't want that, unless you consider having a commander on the field that does as much as an enchantment "board presence".

>>55350656
This. Jund keeps getting bland commanders that don't really lend themselves to anything besides saccing for some reason. A Jund Landfall commander would be sick.

>>55350399
>>55350741
To add to this, rats had some fun concepts too as a tribe and people have been begging for more Ninjutsu ever since the block ended.

The only thing bad about Kamigawa is the spirits, which were only bad because of soulshift made the overcosted, and because so many of the non-spirit cards in the set were about hating on spirits.

>>55350741
Processors were good. Some of the new allies were a good addition.

>>55350826
I like Soulshift as a mechanic, but the increase in cost all of the spirits got because of it sucked. It's too bad because the Spirits had some of the most interesting designs and abilities. The Nezumi were a neat idea and I'd like to see more Rat tribal.

>>55350812
Changing to Oloro makes sense to me. Good call.

He clearly fucked off already though, so I doubt he'll listen to any of this. He wanted suggestions for better wraths and things, not general gameplan.

>>55350766

BRW lord that is a Damiyo with:

RW, T: Target samurai you control fights target creature you do not control. At the end of this turn, put an Honor token on that samurai.

Creatures with honor tokens on them have +X/+X where X is the creature's bushido. Creatures with three or more honor tokens are indestructible.

>>55350766
So like Exalted but with +X/+X instead? Sounds kinda busted

i've decided to build something funny and interesting out of the cards i have lying around and some extras i'll order online

any really fun and cheap decks to build out of these cards?

>some monoblack saccing/token cards, grave titan, grave pact, dictate of erebos
>a bunch of naya token synergy cards
>a few blue goodstuff cards from an old dimir deck

>>55350803
If we had everything more aggressively costed, we would probably see a new storm archetype in form of splices.

We could also had a deck about soulshifting spirits, abusing of ETBs and grave effects. We need justice done to Kamigawa.

>>55350872
The only thing I don't like about it is the tap. I think it could safely be RW or RW1 to fight.

>>55350880
Only when they're battling other creatures. They'd get no bonus for attacking a player. This way they're really good at being blockers or taking on blockers but wouldn't be too powerful when actually going for the throat.

>>55350814
Jund landfall and land recycle would be great yeah. Get more lands, have some value engine stuff from losing lands, give you ways of getting them back from the grave.

>>55350866
>general gameplan
It would still be wrath and manlands, but more efficiently.

>>55350880
No anon, as in something that triggers off "fight" cards green gets, like Prey Upon "
Target creature you control fights target creature you don't control. (Each deals damage equal to its power to the other.)"

>>55350903
Splice was a great idea as a "build your own spell" type thing, but it was way too hampered by Arcane. I'd say to make it Splice onto Instant/Sorcery and adjust the costs to keep it from being broken. Some spells would be costed lesser while some would be costed higher. Also, have some of them that add new effects or conditions to the spell they're Spliced onto.
And yeah, I'd like an actual Soulshift deck to be a thing. Kamigawa has so much potential, but instead they choose to avoid the plane altogether because they're afraid of fucking it up.

>>55350659
I really wish they'd just reprint them
but nope here are checklands, because those desperately needed a reprint.

Guys, guys, what if
>Every arcane spell changed to Tribal - Spirit
>Splice onto arcane changed to splice onto instant/sorcery or Tribal Instant/Sorcery - Spirit
>No need for half the spirits to need to say "Spirit or Arcane" spell anymore, still has synergy with all the spells they would have had synergy with.

>>55350920
I'd say to have it trigger on fights or blocks in general. That way they only either go all out on defending or fighting when they are commanded to.

>>55350907

Yeah, I was just throwing stuff at the wall for ideas. I'm not 100% happy with it but it's the nature of working with Bushido, which isn't a very fun mechanic in and of itself as just 'Situational stat boost'. Exalted at least had you change your gameplan.

>>55350967
I kind of like this idea. I'd like more Tribal spells in general. They're a blast when they appear and I miss the ones from Lorwyn.

>>55350973
It's at least a start. The addition of the fight mechanic as honorable duels at least would add something to their identity and it would give them access to most of the "good" Samurai.

>>55350973
>it's the nature of working with Bushido, which isn't a very fun mechanic in and of itself
Still more fun than all the unplayable +1/+1 counter mechanics in recent sets.
Like really, Outlast, Bolster, Renown, Support, Fabricate, they are all shit. At least explore brings a bit of interest to a +1/+1 counter mechanic.

>>55350059
Why are you defending this kid?

Don't post your deck if you aren't ready to get shit on.

>>55348539
go to edhrec.com, look at most popular commanders all time. Ignore any commander that came out in C16 or after.

>>55349483
>Underagedb&

>>55350741
Blah I'm checking Champions of Kamigawa. It had Ghostly prison so that counts for something. But yeah I see cards that were good back then and wouldn't be out of place right now.

Hey Wizards of the Coast™ here, I heard you guys wanted Kamigawa, so we will revisit it!

And not only that, it will be invaded by the ex-moon imprisoned Emrakul! How exciting!

And to top that, our favorite planeswalker Jace will come to save the day, in a cool and mysterious way! Did you think that Nicol Bolas would hold our protagonist for long?

I bet you can't wait! This set will be available in booster packs, bundles, intro packs, and more! Access https://magic.wizards.com for more info, and remember to buy Ultra-Pro™ for your accessory needs!

My Talrand, Sky Summoner deck is being turned into duel commander due to "not being fun"
Should I keep Tally or go for Jace? I still want to play cantrip-filled draw-go control.

>>55351016
>Underagedb&
XRA didn't air everywhere, and it's not like it was a popular show either.

>>55351033
Exactly. It really feels like a lot of the Kamigawa haters have whatever the opposite of rose tinted glasses on and only remember things like
>B, Pay 5 life: Regenerate
or
>4BB
>Flying, Soulshift 5
>4/1
Which look like shit on paper compared to GOOD card from now, but shit like that was draft fodder then just like it is now. To be honest even I recoiled at the 6 mana 4/1 flier as I was writing this post until I remembered that Soulshift as a card bascially bends draft formats over it's knee and sucks it in the ass until it begs you to stop.

>>55351000

I was ok with Fabricate as it at least gave you a choice.

But yeah, Bushido needed more to it to make it interesting.

Honor X: Whenever ~ fights, it becomes honorable. When ~ becomes honorable, put a number of +1/+1 counters on it equal to it's honor value.

Then introduce cards like 'Solitary Defiance: Target creature you control becomes honorable and can block any number of creatures until end of turn' to give more options to play with honor and give some samurai fancy stuff when honorable. Like a white samurai who is indestructable as long as he is honorable. Or a black card that is 'Die in Shame: Destroy target creature. If it is honorable, it's controller loses X life, where X is it's honor'

>>55351067
>Jace
>Favourite Walker
Sorry anon but WotC has been sucking Gideon's dick far harder for a while now.

>>55351033
Ech disregard that post. CoK had a lot of great stuff at least from EDH perspective from what I see now

>>55343958
>elf with dreadlocks
ew gross

>>55351016
Because I build dumb theme decks all the time and even though he is a faggot, his contention that Lavinia was a better general for his deck as is seems correct.

Don't matter none. The deck needs a rework and won't work anyway. The same way my Mannichi the Fevered Dream deck won't work.

>>55351069
Talrand makes all your counters and cantrips into board presence so I'd say keep him, I also like Polymorph shenanigans with the drake tokens, jam like JinG or Tidespout Tyrant as your only creature in to cheat out early.

>>55351118
Well saviors were kind of sad thou. From what I see only Mikokoro, Oboro Erayo and Kataki are worth mentioning

>>55350659
It's basically a given that they'll be reprinted eventually. Probably in a Masters set before in a Standard set though.

>>55351130
No more than any other Gatewatch member. Every primary walker of a set gets 2 cards per block now. Gideon got one good card that wrecked Standard and a recent one that supports him, but Jace has some really good ones, like Mind Sculptor or Baby Jace. The new Castaway Jace is pretty good too.

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>>55351000
Bolster had some fun deck building decisions where you'd have low toughness or power dudes in order to get the counters on specific things.

Support got gutted by development, it originally could also add loyalty counters to walkers.

Fabricate is fun. Creatures that make Servos are fun and the decision making involved was actually important in limited. This card is the entire reason my White/Black deck has a heavy artifact subtheme. Put an anthem or two and have her out? Yeah, that's a win condition. She's a lot better than she reads.

>>55351226
With the addition of the Planeswalker Pack Jace, he's also now the most printed Planeswalker character.

>>55350914
>Jund Landfall
>can finally run a secret Ob Nixilis deck with Scapeshift

>>55346770
sorry m8 I've looked at your deck and i don't think its fun to play or play against, and on top of that its not even very powerful

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>>55351130
who wouldn't? look at those muscles.

>>55351210
Akki Drillmaster, Akuta Born of Ash, Ebony Owl especially since it was part of a decently strong deck at the time, all of the Epic spells, Homura, Izuka, Ideas Unbound, Kami of the Crescent Moon, I could go on. Some of those cards are simply decent compared to standard set power levels, some are full of potential they never quite met, but none of them are outright 'bad' as they are, just 'not quite good enough' compared to normal magic. Personally I fucking love Homura and run him in a fair few decks for being a double anthem plus flying and firebreathing if you have a sac outlet.
Channel was an interesting mechanic that essentially came back later in the form of Evoke and in betrayers there was the tribal offering cycle which came back in a simmilar way with Emerge recently.

There's lots to like in the Kamigawa sets and a lot of cards that when you look at them have interesting and intriguing designs or do some very unique things. The set just needs stat tweaks for the most part.

>>55351309
100% beef

>>55350954
>Evermind with Splice onto Instant/Sorcery
Oh god yes

>>55350814

>Jund keeps getting

Jund hasn't had a commander printed in years, prossh is actually the most recent one

I guess partners can be Jund, unfortunately the partners mostly suck

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>>55351033
There's neat stuff in CoK.

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>>55351383
excuse me

>>55351396

CoK was the best kamigawa set by far, it was the other 2 that made the block bad. Either way the issue was that the block could not compete in terms of standard decks with mirrodin which came before. If you're a standard player, what reason do you have to buy a new set if the power level dropped massively and only a few cards are playable in your mostly-mirrodin decks?

Kamigawa has always had cards with eternal potential, they just didn't have good ways to abuse those. See glimpse of nature or goryo's vengeance

>>55351431

Oh shit you're right, forgot this one, pretty lame and forgettable for a lore character

>>55351431
That's not a commander, it's a steaming useless turd.

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Does anyone know of any cards that reduce the power and increase the toughness of creatures?preferably permanently

>>55351434
IMHO part of the issue is that it was sandwitched between Mirrodin and Ravnica. I recall everyone was happy when ravnica came out but from the time perspective it had a lot of chaff as well

>>55351187
You're right, I guess talrand really is the best pick. I was using stormtide on the previous version, but Tidespout is just such a good idea! Thanks!

>>55351457
Humility+Night of Souls' Betrayal

>>55351535
I should explain I want to decrease the power of my treefolk and boost their toughness for boardwipes like Wave of Reckoning and Dusk/Dawn

>>55351586
Mirror entity is one way, though its symettric treatment of P/T

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>>55351586

>>55351887
Hard to slot in a Doran deck.

>>55348752
Coastal Piracy and Larceny

>>55351904
>not running Ikra+Ishai partners treefolk tribal with Doran in the 99
What a scrub

>>55350967
>>55350993
Tribal spells have been discontinued since 2010:
https://mtg.gamepedia.com/Tribal#No_longer_supported

>>55352036
We know, that doesn't mean it wouldn't have been a huge improvement to Kamigawa which by the way, came out BEFORE Lorwyn. If you're going to get uppity about dates then at least look up the dates of both things.

Also people from Wizards have said a few times that if they could remake the game from scratch, tribal spells would have been a thing from the start.

The new kamigawa dragons art made me hard as unobtanium.
What decks would you build with them? Can they be viable commanders?
Here's their popularity on edhrec:
Kokusho 63 decks
Keiga 51 decks
Ryusei 39 decks
Yosei 32 decks
Jugan 16 decks

>>55352143
O-kagachi 5C spirit tribal with all the myojings and hondas for max flavour.

>>55352154
>with hondas
So a vehicle deck?

>>55352143
Kokusho Reanimator is pretty obvious. Sac outlets, rez spells, Grave Pact and friends, big black mana... builds itself, really.

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>>55351457
Not a lot.

>>55352172
*Honden.

Even if fucktonne of spirits driving motorbikes would be cool, doesnt quite fit the theme.

>>55352251
Basically ghost rider but japanese and anime

>>55352251
Cardgames on motorcycles with motorcycles?

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Ixalan Mythics are pain.

>>55352332
*Laughs in Inalla wizardball*

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>>55352364
>>55352364
>>55352364
>>55352364

>>55350427
Tetsuo wasn't a planeswalker though, and Toshiro was banished to Dominaria. There should be no Umezawas on Kamigawa.

>>55352348
Actually hmm. Him + inalla + panharmonicon + flameshadow conjuring gives you 10 of his ETB.

Which as it's 1/3rd rounded up, it can kill people dead, and with 10 copies of ETB there anyone at 46 or less life is dead. So maybe a bit too much combo that way.

>>55350427
Tetsuo's on the RL tho

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>>55344901
Also, consider Metallurgic Summonings, Docent of Perfection, and this nigga right here.
More expensive cards, but evasion or bigger bodies could make up for it.
Also Metallurgic summonings is also recursion.

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>>55351443
>>55351444
You are all horrible people.

>>55353464
That abortion is terrible. Cute is okay for a 1/1 but how is THAT as powerful as herald of torment?

>>55352303
>multi-color drifting!!!

>>55346933
its the only part that is literally gone forever

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>>55353501
By not being an enchantment.

>>55353707
So Wizards killed all of the black people on Dominaria and white washed the plane? No wonder they're overcompensating these days.