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I pulled a bolas at the prerelease and ever since then I've been trying to do grixis control. I'm hoping that ixalan slows down the meta. I'm so tired of getting stomped on by mono red

>>55340607
I doubt it. Ixalan's only slow cards are the Dinos, but the set is bringing some serious ramp to deal with it. It'll probably be more on the lines of "casting Dinos on turn 3~4 " than "games going to turns 6~8" speed.

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>>55340653
Dealing with a 4/4 Dino is easier than 4 1/1 servos

>>55340607

Decklist? I was running Grixis Control for a while before I gave up on Standard.

>>55340807
I don't have the decklist saved at the moment, but it runs 4x riddleform 4x eternal of harsh truths 4x unquenchable thirst 4x abrade 2x sweltering sun 1x nicol bolas God Pharaoh. That's the core of the deck everything else is kina iffy and is usually counterspells

Rate my brew

Creatures
>4x Siren Stormtamer
>4x Strom Fleet Arealist
>4x Skyship Plunderer
>4x Nimble Obstructionist
>2x Curator of Mysteries

Instants
>4x Opt
>4x Lookout's Dispersal

Artifacts/Enchantments
>4x Fell Flagship
>4x Favorable Winds
>2x Pirate's Cutlas

Lands
>24 Islands

Thinking of replacing Pirate's Cutlas with Dowsing Dagger, but I'm skeptical on that card's worth.

>>55341314
Confused why curator of mysteries in in there

>>55341426
I had two extra spots open, and I didn't want to fill them with more copies Pirate's Cutlas. I thought "what the hell, it's a Reach Through Mists at worse," and I jammed them it. The fact that most of the removal in standard deals 3 damage also helped.

Honestly though, if you have some better suggestions, I really need them. I was even considering putting in fucking Snare Thopter, before I realized that it was a stupid idea.

Does rishjar stack with naga vitalist or Druid of the cowl?

>>55341686

rishkar, peema renegade*

>>55341686
>>55341722
No, of course not

>>55341686
are you asking if a dork with a +1+1 counter on it generate 2 mana while rishkar is in play?
lol, no

>>55341314
i would remove Fell Flagships, Pirate's Cutlas and Curators, and add Spell Pierce, Chart a Course and Riddleform. Cards to also think about are Jace Cunning Castaway and Lookout's Dispersal

What do people like about Standard? It seems like a really aggro-centric format.

>>55342514
It's quite well balanced now. control beats midrange, midrange beats aggro, and ramp beats control.

>>55342542
Control exists? What cards are used?

>>55342576
Negate, B/R removal, censor, Torrential Gearhulk, Scarab God, Nicol Bolas. if your going UW Approach, then Blessed Alliance, Aether Metldown and Immolating Glare. Glimmer of Genius is the main card draw.

>>55342620
Gearhulk and Scarab are a bit expensive. What's a budget drawgo shell look like these days?

>>55342468
I'll probably add Riddleform and Chart the Course. Is Spell Pierce really so good it can be maindecked, though? I never played Zendikar Standard, so I don't know.

>>55342724
it would activate riddleform and you can counter some stuff (think, chandra torch of defiance, glorybringer, glimmer of genius, other stuff people tap all their mana to play)

>>55342693
check out UW Approach.

>>55342788
Interesting concept. Would there be a way to build it for cheaper? Still not entirely sold on the format, and I'd like to try with minimal loss.

>>55342788
>countering glorybringer with spell pierce

>>55342514
>What do people like about Standard?
Playing cards that will never see play in eternal formats. I've been having a blast playing Thing In The Ice and Elder Deep-Fiend for as long as I have.

>It seems like a really aggro-centric format
Not at all. You can brew anything at all, just be aware that wizards hates combo, so don't invest too heavy into powerful combo decks that will just eat a ban after a week.

>>55342876
my mistake, i was thinking about stuff people slam down, and forgot glorybringer is also a creature.

>>55342858
well all the cards are already cheap. When i play it, i tend to win against everything except ramp. the biggest problem is that blessed alliance is rotating out in like 2 weeks, and we still haven't found a solid replacement.

>>55342878
>you can brew anything you want

So a drawgo control deck that uses Kefnet as a wincon could work?

>>55342949
I've seen a few UW controls and run Kefnet and Oketra as a wincon. But i can't remember the actual shell.

>>55342938
Is Farm // Market decent?

>>55342858
Cut everything about to rotate out. Cut Irrigated Farmland even though it's basically essential for helping you dig for a 2nd Approach.
That list doesn't seem expensive at all. It's not even running Gearhulk or anything that would make it actually risky to buy into.
And you can use a lot of the cards for brewing other decks.
>>55342949
It might not be good, but it could definitely work. Especially now that you get Spell Pierce and Opt, it's worth trying.

>>55342693
After rotation Opt, Censor, Spell Pierce, Fatal Push, all really push draw-go

>>55342938
No worries mate.

>>55343040
>Fatal Push
A bit iffy on picking up an $8 card.

>>55343077
Sees play in every format. You cannot go wrong buying Fatal Pushes.

>>55343040
>Spell Pierce going in current control decks

this is a meme that I must put to rest. Spell Pierce is the ultimate anti-control card. With all the aggro decks that will have blue in them this standard season, in a couple of months control players will fucking hate Spell Pierce

>>55343035
well it's 1 mana more expensive, and using your first removal on t3 is suboptimal, when aggro can kill you by turn 4.

>>55343088
>tfw can't activate a Colonnade in modern anymore

>>55343088
I mainly play commander, and I'm not going to invest in a format much until I find that both the format and the community at the LGS are decent.

>>55343035
they have to print a new white mana removal, right? all of it is rotating, except farm.

>>55343137
Just saying, if you choose to try out modern ever, you'll be happy you picked up Push before it goes out of print. And you can dump them with minimal loss if you change your mind, even after it rotates.

>>55343138
Cast Out isn't going anywhere.

>>55343107
This, and it doesn't hit Gods. It's very bad. I was trying it in Spirits just to get Delirium online for Topplegeist, but it wasn't worth it.

>>55343227
Maybe a card might appear to under perform when the rest of your deck is shit

>>55343409
Let me guess, Open Fire is also just as good as Bolt? If it under preforms, the rest of your deck is shit.
There is no way getting around the fact, a 3 mana removal is worse then a 2 mana removal that can heal you and untap stuff.

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I'm looking forward to playing 'local pirate doubles his treasure and crew with one easy trick' .deck (also works on those new Jace tokens, just saying)

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WOAAAHHHH
OH MY GOD GUYS!!!!

>>55345336
slowpoke.jpg

>>55345336
I was so glad I held onto my old strikes when this was shown. What terrible art.

>>55345336
Why is this uncommon?

How viable is UR Control now that Wandering Fumarole is rotating out?

>>55346647
Because it's not good enough for a rare slot and it's too good for draft at common.

>>55346847
Why couldn't they make the other commons better?

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>>55346860
It's not just about having the commons balanced with lightning strike, it's about having the whole set (and standard at large) balanced with it. R&D decided that Bolt costs 3 at the common slot. They're not going to reverse that decision one set later.

>>55346937
Oh, I forgot that that piece of shit card existed.
Well, I wouldn't say they care that much about balancing standard with respect to rarity, but having interset powerlevel consistency makes sense.

What are some fun budget decks for standard? I want to get back into magic and feel like modern would be a lot harder to get into for cheap. I just like whackier decks, combos typically are most fun. That said, I've always enjoyed the flavor of red for some reason despite never being abl eto do well with RDW/Burn.

>>55347091
this >>55341314 is looking up to be pretty budget.

>>55347091
>I just like whackier decks, combos typically are most fun
Gate to the Afterlife/God-Pharaoh's Gift seems like something you might like brewing with. Plenty of options, just be aware that if a combo is deemed too strong, its pieces will be banned out of the format.

>I've always enjoyed the flavor of red
Red will probably have some cheap playable Dinosaur or Pirate decks once Ixalan drops.
Right now there's Ramunap Red, which isn't incredibly cheap, but very rotation-proof. You can make some budget cuts to bring it down.

>>55340906
>4x riddleform
>in a control deck
But why

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>>55348056
It's probably as last defence against aggro, but being a conditional 3/3 I don't know how it will perform.

>play pick related
*names Scavenger Grounds*
*waits for Abrade*
*reveals Spell Pierce*
My mummies will dominate standard, just wait for me Rumanap Red.

>>55348278
It just kinda sucks because you can't use it as a winning condition, meaning it's a 4-of situational blocker that only triggers off your removal spells (because they won't play any counterable spells before combat unless it's a hasted creature)

It's wildly inconsistent and forces you to occasionally tap out before the enemy's main phase 2 which sucks really really hard. It also doesn't wall Hazoret or Glorybringer.

Help me out with UR tempo/midrange

Creatures
4 Enigma drake
4 cryptic serpent
2 Baral/soup scar Mage/riddleform

Instants
4 Opt
4 shock
4 Lightning strike
2 Abrade
4 illumination
4 censor
4 negate

Sorc
4 chart a course

Some number of lands.

The baral slot is fleet and I'm testing 20/21 and 22 lands.

Match up against aggro and midrange is really clean if you can get over removal or last the early game. Sideboard is all over the place with sweltering Suns, magma spray , Chandra and t gearbulk. Also fling to
Catch opponents off guard. What I'm looking for is, how many lands would be ideal for this kind of deck?

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>>55348390
I see people playing with ~24 lands to never miss a land drop, only to get flooded. I play with 22 lands in a tricolor deck, but Im lucky that my colors give me a lot of allied lands.
UR in 2 weeks will have only 1 (maybe 2 if you want pic related) dual lands.

>>55348634
>SoI card
>being in standard in 2 weeks
Anon...

>>55348658
>>55348634
Wait am I retarded, why is this listed as an Ahmonket common?
Is it in a walker deck?

>>55348658
Card is in amonkhet. 2 duals is all i need I think. Once I have double u and double r available I'm good to go desu.

>>55348668
Deckbuilder toolkit

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I'm hoping to play UB Control when Ixalan drops, looks like the deck could have a damn robust palet to work with.

>>55349088
What does the "Cat's Eye" card do?

>>55349118
Discard your hand, Sacrifice ~: Add three mana of any one color to your mana pool. Activate this ability only any time you could cast an instant.

>>55349127
>Lion's Eye Diamond
>Cat's Eye
I guess but that doesn't complete the joke.

Is there a budget standard deck atm?

I was thinking counterspells, cycling, god pharoa's gift and hexproof fatties with cycling.

>>55349422
>God Pharoah's Gift with fatties
Bad combo unless those fatties have some good fucking keywords.

>>55340398
Is phyrexian mana a type of mana?

>>55349454
hexproof?

>>55349502
Phyrexian mana allows you to pay 2 life instead of the mana cost.

For example surgical extraction cost 1 black mana or 1 phyrexian mana. This means instead of paying 1 black I can just take 2 damage and cast the spell for "free"

>>55349564
I guess, but you don't need to be running fatties if that's the case.

>>55349595
>>55349422

Just threw this together, looks like shit though

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/control-on-a-budget-1/

>>55349612
Scaled Behemoth, Hollow One and Weaver of Currents are out of place here. You need more counters and removals. use Negate instead of Countervailing Winds and consider using red for magma spray, abrade and harnessed lightning. Also you need card draw, like Glimmer of Genius or Hieroglyphic Illumination.
God Pharaoh's Gift is uselesss because it will just get Abraded/make fatties smaller. Gate to the afterlife is useless without discard/self mill cards like champion of wits, cathartic reunion etc.
Abandoned Sarcophagus is just pointless.
Control decks win with card advantage, and cheap/efficient removal. This had neither.

I'm currently playing some weird magic, and looking forward to rotation despite losing bb ulamog and void winnower: tappedout.net/mtg-decks/sultai-believe/


4x Ammit Eternal
3x Baral, Chief of Compliance
3x Champion of Wits
2x Greater Sandwurm
2x Razaketh, the Foulblooded
2x Ulamog, the Ceaseless Hunger
1x Void Winnower
2x Liliana, Death's Majesty
1x Nissa, Steward of Elements
1x Bounty of the Luxa
4x Blooming Marsh
4x Botanical Sanctum
1x Hostile Desert
7x Island
4x Sunken Hollow
3x Swamp
2x Fatal Push
1x Negate
1x Supreme Will
4x Void Shatter
1x Baral's Expertise
1x Collective Brutality
4x Reason
2x Yahenni's Expertise

Sideboard

2x Bontu's Last Reckoning
3x Harsh Scrutiny
2x Ishkanah, Grafwidow
3x Negate
3x Root Out
2x Ruinous Path

I usually take second and lose to some form of grixis control at the end of the night but I just love playing this deck.

>>55350044
I was wondering what the actual fuck you were playing until I saw the Reason // Believe
Now that's fucking spicy.

>>55350044
What's the point of Void Shatter? Why not just Disallow?

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>>55350127
Thanks! I've taken 2nd out of 36 on four occasions and if no one's on Grixis i win the small pools consistently. I recommend Believing in some aliens today.

>>55350131
I like countering into exile in the current meta. I lose it at rotation though.

>>55350044
Greater Sandwurm over Sifter Wurm? Why's that, just the cycling?

>>55350274
Absolutely. Sometimes you just want to draw a card (or didn't counter anything that turn), other times you actually need a T5 7/7 defending Lili.

>>55350319
Fair enough.

>>55349422
U/W approach is very budget, though it's unsure what will replace blessed alliance post-rotation.

It's also not shit which is very important.

>>55343077

go to FNM you cheapskate

>>55342514
I think you answered your own question, mate.

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>buy into gearhulk reanimator a few months ago
>pretty fun, cards are cheap enough to start foiling out most of the cards since gearhulks are cheap as fuck
>now that I actually want to win for them push promos, deck just completely shits on me
>mulling every single game
>wizards actually prints good cards in Ixalan
>if they have U up I can't cast refurbish t4 or lili t5 now
>a lot more graveyard hate and answers will be in standard
>none of these shitheads have haste
Better go kill myself I guess.

>>55351953
>foiling out standard decks
You have yourself to blame.

>>55350749
Correction. It's shit. And has jow got even shitter with things like spell pierce being printed. How many times have I played against UW approach. More than a hundred. How many times have I lost to the approach combo. Just the first time.

>>55352125
you play against bad people. What combo? UW beats midrange/aggro by surviving, and beats control by either card advantage or creatures. The only deck it loses to consistently is ramp but so does every other control deck. Just because your opponents don't know how to save counters, or be patient, doesn't mean the deck is shit.

>>55351953
Just swap B for U, there is no need for it in the deck and if you can't beat'em, join'em (us).

Blue is the new Black as the support color

>>55352962
But I need black for Lili and removal.

>>55353373
too bad, now you get U for Jace and removal

>>55353413
But Jace doesn't bring something back from the graveyard.

how does ramunap red post-rotation fare against these dino decks? feels like it blocks too effectively and gains just the right amount of life to stabilize when it needs to, especially post sideboard

guess ill build grixis improvise

>>55353423
He brings more Jaces

>>55346937
>>55346860
>>55346847
draft can go eat a dick
useless format

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>>55353497
Oh shit just what I needed

>>55353478
I hope dinos will be able to hold them down, it would be amazing to see RDW lose against a Timmy tribal deck.

And once Rumanap is down mummies will rise once again,
this time forever.

Join me into this battle against graveyard hate

>>55353793
i'm a red player. im hoping to keep my deck into rotation. i am addicted to monocolor decks. in modern i play skred and blue steel.

a week after prerelease--which is the real release of ixalan--my store is doing a win-a-box fnm and im hoping that i can pull out some wins against temur energy, because no one is going to be on anything else

>>55353836
If temur energy is stupid enought to not bring artifact hate just use >>55348278 on pummeler.

>>55353793
>mummies will rise once again,
>all the -good- zombie cards like Cryptbreaker rotating out

>>55354004
Don't worry Scarab god and Anointed procession got me covered
I will show it to ya this Friday

>>55353998
temur energy doesnt run pummeler 98% of the time at high level play

>>55354119
No?
What Im even playing against?

>>55354336
GB Pummeler probably

I'll try out UB Pirate Tempo. Spell pierce, duress, opt, Ruin Raider etc seem cool

Anyone else glad they're getting out of Standard after the Push promos? Frankly I don't want to go to FNM to see all of the "LOL DINOSAURS RAWR! XD" idiots this set seems to have brought out of the woodwork.

>>55355583
>not playing zealous conquistador vampires to slaughter the mindless dinosaur fools

>>55355583
Every set and format has the potential for idiots to show up. It sounds like you're just making up excuses for yourself. I'll take underage Timmies and neckbeard memers who grew up on Jurassic Park over some of the awful Modern/EDH crowd that shows up at my LGS. God knows the hipster merfolk cunts will be much more unbearable.

>>55355721
>tfw love every part of ixalan's vampire flavor/art
>they're all unplayable garbage
At least I have Yahenni and Groundhawk ready in case there's something in the next set that makes them worth it.

>>55354708
Opt was shitty in standard in the past and it will continue to be shit

>>55356821
>a card was bad in standard 17 years ago, so it'll be bad in standard now
KYS

>>55356821

You're talking about a standard that had access to Brainstorm.

>>55357074
No one played Brainstorm. That card sucks with no fetches.

Accumulated Knowledge, Sleight of Hand, and Fact or Fiction were available.

All the blue decks were Opposition decks. Even the Fish decks didn't play Opt.

Also cantrips are only as powerful as the blue cards in the cardpool. Hieroglyphic Illumination is probably better than Opt because it cycles early then gets flashed back with Torrential Gearhulk. The UB Pirates deck is gonna run 20+ creatures, 24 lands (x number of Fetid Pools), 3-4 Fatal Push, 4 Spell Shrivels, 3-4 Censors, 2-4 other assorted counterspells/interactive cards. There's no room for Opt.

Opt in Modern is a different story since you have access to Turbo Xerox cards.

>>55357298
*Lookout's Dispersal not Spell Shrivel woops

>>55354336
you arent playing against temur energy
https://www.mtggoldfish.com/archetype/standard-temur-energy-36838#paper

>>55357298
except it's gonna be mono pirate U fliers going aggro not control. You don't need a torrential Gear Hulk. You want something to find you a creature/spell/scry-away a land, and enable riddleform. The counterspells are there to be U-removal (think shock in mono R), and Opt/Chat a Course are there to make sure you don't run out of gas when mono R does.

>>55357412
Yes mainphase that Opt to enable a shitty enchantment. I'm pretty sure that's way better than attacking with a Pirate then enabling raid to cast other pirates to give you free cards.

>>55351953
Drop white, pick up blue and green

>>55357507
playing the 3 mana 2/2 that will draw you a card. You do realize NO pirates without evasion will be playable in an aggro deck? they don't have haste, and the only viable "lord" is favorable winds. Besides, in a case where you're winning opt let's you find something to win more with, if you're out of gas, it lets you find more gas, if you're losing it might find you the answer. How does fatal push help? it is only good if you need an answer.

>>55354119
>>55354519
>>55357381
>I've been tricked all along

>>55357514
>drop white
>drop one of only two ways to reanimate a hulk

>Magma Spray
>Shock
>Abrade
>Lightning Strike
Silly me thinking I get to have 1/2 drops stay on the board.

>>55357507

riddleform is not shit bro, card is good and opt is good with it. but youre right that opt doesnt go in very many standard decks

>>55361188
Fatal Push, Walk the Plank

Whats the secret to making hapatra strong boys?
I don't like jund hapatra because I want something more aggresive, abusing the 5/5 croc with rhonas to get in some hard hits early.
I feel like there is maybe one card I'm missing and have too many 3 drops in the deck, any advice?
The deck is pretty straight forward for a hapatra deck except with glint-sleeve added for drawing and keeping hub useful.

Is it just too low of a power deck? I need something that can compete at a decent level.

>>55361188
>not enough removal
hurr this is just creatures the tappening
>plenty of removal
why can't I play my creatures?

Jesus you people.

>>55362927
>not enough removal
>control players rightly complain when aggro is so pushed
>plenty of removal
>aggro players mad that they have to play conservatively
>too much removal
>aggro players rightly mad that control is so pushed

>>55362922
Try playing a Golgari deck with her.
Nest of Scarabs, Key to the City, and Ruthless Sniper are musts. Noose Constrictor can help as well but with the rotation coming soon it'd be better to pick out something else that won't that still allows you to discard on command. A Hapatra deck will never play at a higher level than FNM from my experience but it's a lot of fun.

>>55362949
>In
Walk the Plank
Lightning Strike
>Out
Grasp of Darkness
Collective Brutality
Blessed Alliance
Stasis Snare
Declaration in Stone
Immolating Glare
Lightning Axe
Fiery Temper
Anguished Unmaking

Considering most of the aggro beaters aren't leaving standard with rotation, I'd say nobody should be complaining about there being too much removal.

>>55362922
You hope your opponent bricks on his land and dead draws for literally the entire game.

t. someone who lost to hapetra when he shouldn't have and is still mad.

Would a control deck centered around The Scorpion God be anything other than complete shit?

>>55357654

I don't see what about Opt is so bad. It's a single blue mana *instant* that allows you to scry 1 then draw. That alone makes the card good unless there are way better options?

>>55340607
Getting stomped on by mono red? I play blue-white control, and mono red is currently my best matchup. I'd suggest radiant flames in sideboard.

>>55353679

Uncommon vs Common LITERALLY only matters for draft, why are you even getting wound up about it

>inb4 "But muh fatal push prices"
This is a fucking old ass reprint, it's not going to be expensive.

>>55364040
precisely

>>55361420
RIddle form is not shit. But it's not that good either desu.

>>55357654
Opt is good. But I can't see aggro pirates running opt. Maybe a tempo orientated version but the deck will suck. I don't see pirates being all that good. Maybe the second half of ix will give them something well needed. The problem with pirates is they all die to the simplest removal and being UB you have no reach.

Also if you're in black fatal push is a must. Aggro decks do not dig for answers. They beat face.

>>55365441
I especially doubt pirates will play Opt because the draw 2 for 2 if you attacked got printed

>>55365475
>>55365441
the draw 2/2 is 3 mana which makes it REALLY slow. what you want to do is, go fo instance, t1 siren, t2 aerialist, t3 favourable winds and leave 1 mana open to either counter something or bounce something and if nothing happens you do opt. There is LITERALLY no reason to run B or any other colour except U.

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>>55365567
>the draw 2 for 2 is 3 mana
What are you talking about
It mostly depends on whether pirates will be an aggro or tempo deck, in an aggro deck you generally don't really want to hold up mana during the enemy's turn. In tempo Opt is far better.

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>>55365580
oh you ment that, i thought you ment pic related. Still, you can run both. I imagine it will be somewhere between temp and aggro. And the reason you would leave 1 mana open is to defend against removal.

>>55365567
t1 removal. T2 removal or counter. Now your deck is dead. Good thing you thinned out your threats to play opt.
It's just not necessary in aggro. How is a 3 mana dude too slow when you don't even have a clock?

Anyway. It doesn't matter how you build it. Pirates aren't going to be good. Rdw, temur energy and zombies will shit all over your game plan.

>>55365628
>you use the same strategy against every deck, and same gameplan regardless of if you are on the draw or on the play.

zombies rotate out, and there is a thing called a sideboard. The 2/2 is just bad, because it will get blocked by anything and everything, so you're just getting 1 card for 3 mana. Also you aren't thinning out anything. there aren't 6 billion 1-3 mana fliers in U. What you people don't understand is that we have empty slots in the build for it. It's not either opt or chart, you can have both.

>>55365674
What do zombies lose? Lords? Recursion. None of the above?

What's your sb plan for control or midrange then?

What you don't understand friends, is that blue fliers will be shit. Especially if your filling it with draw because you have nothing else to play. Your game plan is to drop a few fliers and take the game because of their evasion? When your dudes will barely get over 2 power.

You will literally get your shit shoved in by generic 2/3 beaters.

>>55365787
Zombies lose cryptbreaker (the best zombies card), diregraff colossus, restless dead, grasp of darkness, dark salvation and sideboard liliana

>hear about magic arena
>oh cool finally a way to play online that isn't modo
>standard cards only
>oh well haven't played T2 since alara/zen maybe it won't be so bad
>look up the top decks >https://www.mtggoldfish.com/metagame/standard#paper
>killmenow.jpg
Why is standard such vile garbage nowadays?

>>55343170
>before it goes out of print
Top kek. New cards will never go out of print. Fatal Push will be reprinted in one of the next Masters sets, maybe even 25.

>>55365827
I'm going to try Arena if I get the chance, but probably mostly for draft.

>>55357298
Ponder was the most played card in Standard when it was last legal - and this was the Caw-blade era with JtMS et al.

Now, Opt isn't Ponder - but its as close as Standard is going to get.

>>55365827
Just curious, what do you think is bad about the top decks?

>>55365809
They keep the lord. Menace dudes. Ammet eternal. New lili and a recursive dude. Zombies will be shit and still run over pirates. Unless. You play red. Get some burn. Some decent sized dudes and drop opt/charter

>>55365957
Midrange and aggro trash.

>>55365971
But there's 2 control decks in the top 8

>>55365981
>top 8
>4% of the meta
ok darling

>>55365989
B/U control just won a GP

>>55366010
Wow, amazing.

>>55366016
So wait, are you mad that you think you cannot play control or are you mad that you have to play against mostly non-control decks

>>55366213
I didn't say anything about control, but the fact that standard players seem to think that aggro, midrange and control are the only archetypes in existence makes me even less hopeful of arena.

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>>55366232
Wait, you're not talking about combo in standard right?

>>55366016
Agreed. I play modern, edh and standard. Std has been terrible for a long time. Until I decided to meta against midrange. Now I'm laughing. Give me free packs.

>>55366243
>standard scrubs are at it again
Combo isn't the only archetype in existence aside from those I've listed.
>>55366259
God, if only arena facilitated playing modern, the format isn't perfect either but it's hilarious just how neutered standard is nowadays compared to that.

>>55366275
Please fill me in oh magic the gathering master

>>55366295
Google metagame clock.

>>55366344
Oh you meant tempo? Why didn't you just say so

>>55366295
Not The anon yoh replied to but standard is a shit show of a format. It's a 3 deck format. Over run by tommies and scrubs. The best deck will always be midrange good stuff. You don't have to be a genius to realise 3 decks in a format is not healthy.

TL:DR std is boring. Gets solved too quickly. You are all scrubs. Std is truly the casual format.

>>55366232
>I'm upset that I cannot pretend my opponent doesn't exist in a competitive game

>>55366424
>you are all scrubs
Unlike what it may seem I'm not heavily invested in one format and defend it to the death, I just think that standard can be far far worse. That doesn't automatically make it good.

I don't see how standard is a '3-deck metagame' when the top 3 decks combine to 50% on mtggoldfish. I especially don't see it when the last 2 GPs we had (one and a half week ago) had 7 different decks in the top 8 of one GP, while the other had 6-7 different decks in the top 8. And neither of the decks that won are Temur energy, Mardu vehicles or RDW.

But apparently it's a completely solved 3-deck format and everybody has been playing the exact same decks since the pro tour.

>>55366521
Talking about the format 2 weeks before or after rotation is pointless. Once people adjust lists and cards evaluated it will quickly slip back to a 3 deck meta.
Please tell me how it's not solved when the format only ever shakes up due to rotation. Please tel me it's a fair format when in the past year several decks have to get banned out of existence. Have you forgotten about saheeli cat, delirium with Emmy, UW flash and marvel. Maybe I'm just over exaggerating and this is a format hatbox rewards creativity and allows you to brew or work on a budget. Not that I care because I own several tier 1 modern decks and several brews.

>>55366658
I'm only talking about the current standard metagame, before the last ban/HoD release it was fucking ass. I'm not going to defend that shit.

>>55366521
Format get some solved 3 weeks after rotation. We will have 3-4 tier 1 decks. Then several tier 2 that might have an evenatch up against one of the tier 1 decks.

Brewing is almost pointless in standard whereas in other formats you can actually be rewarded for making a decent deck. Even maro has fjnally acknowledge how much the current standard deck sucks. I wouldn't be surprised if things like lightning strike weren't added to the set to compensate our cries for removal/answers.

Can't wait to play against whatever else slipped through RnD unseen.

>>55366693
>I wouldn't be surprised if things like lightning strike weren't added to the set to compensate our cries for removal/answers.
They have literally said they were going to print better answers in some HoD design article. That's why they printed abrade in HoD. They already realized having little good removal makes for a bad metagame.

Now they're also printing the first cantrip in years. It's not a good one, but it's a start.

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>>55340398
Anyone else wants to build Rakdos Afro seeing that there is 8 4/3's for 2 mana? Plus the reprinting of dragon skull summit helps

>>55366778
*lighting bolt*
Eheh thanks kid

>>55366890
Strike I mean, bolt would be a bit too much.

Thus is going to be "strike the Scoundrels"

>>55366778
shitty card both on draw and on play

>>55342878
Wiz doesn't hate combos, they just dislike things that enrage your opponents and the top thing you can do to enrage your opponent is casting something(s) huge without honoring equivalent exchange.

Infinity 1/4 haste cats at a 4 mana tap, turn 3/4 Ulamog which is basically an opponent only board wipe at that stage of the game.

Honestly if you really do enjoy ridiculous combos you can switch to modern and drop less then $20 on an elf infect pump deck that consistently kills turn 2/3.

>>55343077
Sorry you were late for that train, you can Harsh Scrutiny as a cheaper alternative which has the added benefit of your opponent showing his hand. An amazing card to play within the first 2 turns but it's nothing like the raw fear you can put into your opponent when they know you have the push.

Another option is Walk the Plank when ixa comes out but it's sorcery speed and it ignores merfolk.

>>55343138
Skywhailer's shot, cast out. Cast out wins games anon

>>55367013
white already usually runs 4 cast outs. The problem Cast out is too slow against, say, aggro. Blessed Alliance and Immolating glare were good at dealing with early aggro spam.

>>55366475
Exactly, no one wants to scoup because their opponent beat solitaire. It also doesn't help that literally everyone who plays those types of decks have terrible communication skills.

>>55367032
Well normally one would save cast out for the nasty stuff one can't deal with through normal means (ie: RDW dropping hazoret) and you still have lame ass impeccable timing to deal with early aggro.

Honestly mono white can only go so far, and the only reason mono red is doing well is because the entire magic player base has decided that 1 point of healing is infinity weaker then 1 point of damage.

>>55340906
Do you run any of your appropriate gearhulks? Even if you don't want to dish out for Torrentials, Noxious could be a good finisher for control, or at least help keep you alive.

>>55367255
>impeccable timing
i forgot that exists. But what i meant was that UW needed it, not mono W. I guess impeccable timing is a survivable alternative... even though it doesn't get rid of gods and gideons.

>>55366676
Current std is better than the last. Doesn't make it good. The problem lies within the format itself. Extended would be nice.

>>55367404
Original guy shitting on T2 here, the issue isn't with the format but with shitty, uninventive sets that don't allow you to make any interesting decks that can still remain competitive.

Aforementioned alara/zendikar standard was actually amazing with tons of various decks out there that played in completely different manners.

>>55367255
Jesus Christ. How drunk are you? Go to bed anon. You need sleep.

1. Mono red is doing well because it wins fast. Mono white doesn't even win.
2. 1 point of damage might win you the game. 1 point of life never wins you the game.
3. The entire player base made that decision because its objectively works and is better.

Standard players are this retarded.

>>55367576
Standard is full of scrubs defending their shitty solved format.

I play tier 2 in std and I only win because most Dom the lgs don't know how to actually magic.

>>55367801

I play tribal cats and i've been sweeping my locals because I deal as much as I heal. It stops u/b gearhulk in it's tracks and outlasts rdws which is what my locals meta currently is. Zomb's is a coin toss but this is standard you can't create one deck that excels against every top deck.

Also not every non meta player is retarded. I understand that healing is traditionally terrible, however the hardest thing to learn about magic is that there is an exception to every rule.

>>55368519
Lol. You win because std is filled with casuals and bad players. Unwilling to invest into a proper format.

Gaining lfe might of helped you stabilise and NOT lose but it did not win you The game. You could just as easily take the life gain away and replace it with more threats/damage to the face and do just as well

>>55368926
It does often, I need to gain life to turn on one of my wincons.

Look anon it's clear you're pretty biased about the formats and you clearly lack knowledge about standard because you don't respect it. If modern/legacy is your thing there is nothing wrong with that, let us enjoy our game.

>>55369270
Lol. Anon you can't disregard my opinion because you don't like it. I don't respect it cus ive played it enough. I can see the inherent flaws in having a rotating system that is so short.

Tell me how printing 4-5 planeswalkers EVERY set for several years with no walker hate is a good format?

anon, I can see that you're deluded due to not being able to access any of the better formats for whatever reason and now you have to defend this pile of shit endlessly. Hit me up next wotc has to make emergency bans because standard attendance drops below 50%. Probably in a month or two.

>>55369430

Not him, but remember to take your meds

>>55369430
>4-5 planeswalkers EVERY set for several years
With 1-2 of those being playable.
>no walker hate
Plenty of walker hate.

>>55369430
I'm not disregarding your opinion because I don't like it. As I stated if standard is not your cup of tea that is completely understandable.

The reason I disagree with your opinion is because healing is doing nasty things on the side right now and it also inadvertently helps against rdw. As I already stated this is magic and there is an exception to everything, if you can't respect that fact then it's difficult to respect your opinion.

>>55369430
>no walker hate
Anon there's these things called 'creatures'

>>55369430
They print 4 planeswalkers in large sets and 2 in small sets, that's hardly '4-5 planeswalkers every set'.

Besides just attack them with a creature lmao

My UB Robots deck is kind of shit, but I love it anyway.

How chep are SoI/Amonkhet zombies to make right now? I´d like to get back into standard with an w/b deck.

>>55371179
>SoI
Why would you go make a standard deck with SoI cards if they're rotating out in 1.5 weeks

>>55371314
I took a break for amonkhet and still have a card pile of SoI block cards.

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>>55371179
>I´d like to get back into standard with an w/b deck.
Start looking at vampires in Ixalan. Also pic could be incredible with something like Yahenni and Treasures enabling it.

>>55370136
>life gain helps beat a linear red aggro deck

No shit? What other pearls of wisdom do you have to impart?

>>55371761
Anon there's no reason to buy into standard right now. Just wait for rotation.

>>55371314
Standard rotation is just over 2 full weeks away.

What kind of stuff would work for a deck centered around The Scorpion God or The Locust God?

>>55372721
>scorpion
Jund Midrange shell, with some ramp and Hapatra/Nest of Scarabs
>locust
Singleton copy in UR Control or New Perspectives

>>55372771
UR control or Jund midrange sounds fun. Which would be cheaper to build?

>>55372809
Jund is going to be cheaper and much more rotation proof. UR Control might not survive rotation due to lack of Fumarole, and T Gearhulks are probably going to burn a hole in your wallet.

>>55372950
What's a good shell for Jund right now? I haven't played outside of commander in years, so, I'm a bit rusty on the normal game's mana curves and landbase construction.

>>55373028
Nothing, there is no good jund shell

All this defending for the shitty babble format is amazing.

Remember your format has been dumbed down so new players like chad and Stacy can attend fnm.

>>55373028
>Shell
Use either of these as a starting point. Also consider Energy, but then you start getting into "might as well cut Scorpion god and all this black -1/-1 stuff for blue and energy" territory.
https://www.mtggoldfish.com/deck/703465#paper
https://www.mtggoldfish.com/deck/685843#paper
>Landbase
It's always incredibly easy to put together landbases for standard. Allied cycling lands, enemy fastlands, and Ixalan is bringing allied checklands. There's also Aether Hub.

>>55372950
UR player here. Furma won't be missed.
Just gotta tone down on he control and play a few more threats.

>>55373093
I was thinking something like this as a starting point to work with

4 Naga Vitalist
4 Channeler Initiate
4 Hapatra
4 Ammit Eternal
2 Scorpion God

4 Claim // Fame
4 Abrade
4 Nest of Scarabs
4 Sweltering Suns
3 Harvest Season

Don't know what lands to go with.

I think anon meant 4-5 walkers every block. Regardless the fact that all of the answers involve having to play a dude. Wait a whole turn, hopefully avoiding removal and then focus down the walker is bad game design. This is something almost the entire county's of magic agrees on, even your boy maro agrees he fucked up.

>>55373417
Naga Vitalist is bad; Channeler Initiate is enough ramp.
Claim/Fame isn't worth it in this deck.
Harvest Season banks on you having a lot of creatures in play and able to turn sideways. You should be playing things to win the game for situations like that, not just more ramp and nothing to actually ramp into.
Sweltering Suns should be a 2-of.
Hapatra should be 3-of. Legendary and all.

Needs more threats. Archfiend if you run Key to the City, Glorybringer, and even Crocodile of the Crossing has done some serious work for me.

>>55373448
The last time walkers were oppressive to the format was Gideon and he's on the way out. Arguably Saheeli if you want to count that (I didn't come up against a single Catlady deck that month).
>Wait a whole turn, hopefully avoiding removal and then focus down the walker is bad game design. This is something almost the entire county's of magic agrees on, even your boy maro agrees he fucked up.
Bullshit. Planeswalkers are not inherently bad design. The problem was that they pushed strong walkers while dialing back the power of creatures and spells. There are answers in standard for walkers. Never/Return, Cast Out, Burn, Negate. You're also assuming that there are no creatures in play already.

>>55372569
Obviously you didn't not read the entire back and forth however i'll drop a life point related gem anyways.

In standard right now 1 life point can generate you 256 gideons.

>>55342949
Kefnet is a sideboard card in most control shells due to his restriction - he's great in the control mirror or against ramp, but bad elsewhere.

What about Selesnya turbo fog/life gain with Approach as a win con?

>>55374105
>Hapatra should be 3-of. Legendary and all.
Most Hapatra decks play 4 because she dies to all removal and she's a huge removal magnet.

I think she's so bad that you're probably better off playing 0

>>55372721
>locust god and scorpion god
none, best god by distance is the scarab...some temur decks have begun to spash black only for him

>>55374128
I'll bite. How do?

>>55374653
All 3 are playable at the FNM level, and there's no telling what competitive decks will pop up with rotation.

>>55364052
>I'd suggest radiant flames in sideboard

I don't think he'll get a great deal of use out of it in the next week

I'm happy I will be able to play tribal merfolk again in standard it might be shit but at least it will be fun

>>55349502
No Phyrexian Mana is a cost that can be paid with life or the corresponding type of mana. Types of mana are things that are generated.

>>55375854
To expand on this rule 106.1b There are six types of mana: white, blue, black, red, green, and colorless.

There's also a backup rule regarding Phyrexian Mana should a card let you somehow generate it. 106.9. If an effect would add mana represented by a Phyrexian mana symbol to a player’s mana pool, one mana of the color of that symbol is added to that player’s mana pool.

>>55367576
Not the guy replying. I get your points. Back in RtR/Theros standard, the most powerful decks were MonoU Devotion and MonoB devotion. Because most people in my store played MonoU, I started using a modified version of the Tulio Jaudi's UG Flash deck. The strat was simple. Cast flash creatures at your opponent's EoT and protect them. Skylasher was a great card when I faced MonoU decks.
Since then, WotC neven printed decent/good creatures with flash to brew something like that again.

>>55376428
so...you dropped a creature and i kill it at eot? sounds like a shitty plan.

>>55370896
I forgot to post a list of said shitbrew.
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/13-09-17-ub-robots/

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>happy that standard is finally getting good cards and answers
>but also temur energy loses almost nothing while gaining things like spell pierce

Should I play:
Monored
WR tokens
Naya gods
WG cats

Monored satisfies my Hazoret boner, but I'm searching for a way to put Oketra in a deck and make it not shit.

>>55377826
If Oketra is your favorite then you'll have a real easy time turning her on with cats. The two core cats cards Pride and Regal pretty much activate her on their own and having green in your deck means you can also throw rhonas in there if you wanted. It also opens the door to serpopard which is a heavy blue control players worse nightmare.

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>>55340398
>playing standard
>not a weiner

>>55378123
Yeah, I thought Oketra in cats, but the problem is she isn't a cat, for whatever reason. They missed the opportunity to make the gods their respective totem animal types as well, I think. Would've given tribal some extra pop.

The thing about the token/tribal cats deck is it's more like a combo deck; without the right pieces it falls on its ass hard.

We'll see, I suppose. I kind of want to avoid a three color deck just because the mana base is going to be shitty.

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It's great that we're finally going to rotate away from all the annoying shit in standard..
>another fucking year of Bristling Hydra and Glorybringer
Never mind.

>>55341538
Glyph Keeper is a good option if you're making a flyer deck. Embalmable and takes two spells to kill.

>>55378282
>Yeah, I thought Oketra in cats, but the problem is she isn't a cat, for whatever reason.
Cats go wide enough to turn her online. Curving Oketra into Caracal (or Sovereign into Oketra) sounds great.
If all the good go-wide cards weren't rotating out, I'd suggest WU Monuments as a home for Oketra. Might be worth experimenting with other colors/tribes, but cats have already have strong synergy. Naya Dinosaurs might like her as a 1-of.

>The thing about the token/tribal cats deck is it's more like a combo deck; without the right pieces it falls on its ass hard.
Not really. It's just like any midrange deck that doesn't draw its bombs.

Gonti's Machinations looks like a fun card. Is it just shit, or is there a way to build around it?

>>55380117
Fun how? That's a specific thing to build and at the end of the day RUG does energy far better, not close.

>>55380195
The ability to slowly whittle your opponent's life total while devoting most of your resources to more defensive plays. Less reliance on creatures in general.

>>55380210
Are you sure you read the card correctly?

>>55380246
>sacrifice Gonti's Machinations
Didn't remember that part. Still, Lightning Helix is a nice effect to have, especially if the deck is running energy anyways. Maybe in Golgari or Jund?

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>>55380265
That's an extremely vital part. It goes from being an wincon and engine to being energy generator and a last ditch effort.
>Still, Lightning Helix (to face!) is a nice effect to have
It's not. Bad evaluation.

I present you: good cards you might be familiar with.

>>55380374
I like Glimmer of Genius. Not incredibly familiar with these cards. Haven't looked at many newer cards since BFZ block.

>>55379396
Honestly Oketra isn't that great on an Oketra's monument deck. That's because you need the monument to turn her on, and she's rather useless without it. But your win rate with monument on the field is already really high, the reason the deck kind of sucks is because it loses when monument is not on the field.

At that point you can make a better monument deck by removing Oketra herself and focusing on cards that help you win when monument is not on the field as opposed to a win more card

>>55381333
>Oketra's Monument deck
That's a thing? I love the design of the Monuments, but I was wondering if anything would be efficient enough.

>>55381348
U/W monument is a very strong deck, but it's more of an evolution of U/W spirits with other value creatures thrown in.

>>55381348
It was a deck for like 2 weeks, then Hour of devastation hit and everybody was running abrades main deck. The deck never recovered.

>>55381360
So, post-rotation, is the deck still going to exist?

>>55381376
In it's current state, no. It relies heavily on creatures like Spell Queller, Selfless Spirit, Ormendahl, Hanweir Militia Captain, and sometimes Avacyn to outvalue opponents.

>>55381376
U/W monument loses:
Thraben inspector
Spell quelled
The priest that investigates when creatures etb
Blessed spirit
Hanweir militia captain

It loses pretty much the entire creature Base it ran apart from fairgrounds warden

>>55381397
What about a BG Monument deck with Bontu's Monument and a similar core to Hapatra decks?

>>55381440
Nope. Bontu's would MAYBE work with an aristocrats shell, but most of the support for that like Zulaport Cut-throat is rotating out.

>>55381554
What about Hazoret's? There's a lot of discard support in Standard, right?

>>55381642
Madness cards are rotating out, so not really.

>>55381738
Archfiend of Ifnir
Cunning Survivor
Curator of Mysteries
Faith of the Devoted
Flameblade Adept
Horror of the Broken Lands
Shadowstorm Vizier

It's there, but in the wrong colors.

>>55381770
Without madness you're just putting yourself down a card for little upside. At best, you can run a bunch of split cards like Never, Cut, Claim, and Insult to get at least some value out of your discards.

>>55381770
>>55381950
Without madness discard is only good if you're running graveyard synergy. There isn't much except God pharahs gift. You would not run a monument in that deck. Enigma drake works well with discard but monument doesn't do much that cathartic reunion, tormenting voice and chart a course

>Play GR Pummeler, 60% win rate in 80 matches
>If i win the first two matches i almost invariably 5-0 or 4-1
>If i lose the first matches im sent to the shadow realm filled with mongos playing blue black control which is nearly unwinnable.

I really wish Hazoret was slightly less powerful because it is 100% the reason i ever lose to monored.

Trying to build UG deck but waiting for full spoilers to gage if aggro/midrange/control will work better.

Guys, they're doing a free prerelease event at my LGS this Saturday where they gift you an Ixalan premade deck to play with that you can keep.

Seems like the perfect way to start playing the game, what do you think?

>>55383278
Always take free shit and yes it is a good way to start playing and learning. Go Have fun, make new friends and enemies

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Wx suicide deck maybe? Or paying life is too risky with monoR running around?

>>55383618
Maybe abzan for life goes on for 4 life at instant speed.

>>55383618
Good luck getting that to resolve. Or not dying before you can cast it.

tfw no cute gf(male) to play with

>>55384459
If you're a cute male (girl) I can play with you bby.

>>55343077
>has won fnm promo fatal pushes 2 weeks in a row with a cheap boros humans deck
> it's an uncommon in aether revolt, so I always get my free packs in revolt or KLD
FNM is really worth it anon.

But honestly fatal push sees play in every format so it's a solid investment if you plan to play a lot of magic.

>>55382874
Mono green merfolk is looking better than I thought, just might go UG merfolk aggro.

>>55340398
R/W Dinosaurs

4x Huatli's Snubhorn
4x Kinjalli's Sunwing
4x Kinjalli's Caller
4x Otepec Huntmaster
4x Rampaging Ferocidon
4x Charging Monstrosaur
4x Raptor Hatchling
4x Imperial Lancer
4x Hazoret the Fervent

4x Unclaimed Territory
4x Inspiring Vantage
8x Plains
4x Mountain
4x Ramunap Ruins

not sure about hazoret and monstrosaur in the same deck

>>55385751
Snubhorn sounds like a derogative /tg/ would come up with for a retarded dinosaur.

>>55362922

Play her in Modern with Quillspike and Devoted Druid.

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>>55366778
How about UB so you can counter removal?

>>55370331
You have this thing called "retardation"

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>>55388593
You sure showed that fag

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>>55383618
Waiting until opponent's end step to activate this a couple times, maybe? I'm not really seeing many other ways to play that in standard.

>>55388593
Lol anon. Why don't you just join us and play creatures on curve and tap em sideways. It's new magic.

4x Bloodlust Inciter
4x Rigging Runner
4x Bloodrage Brawler
4x Ahn-Crop Crasher
4x Glorybringer
2x Kari Zev, Skyship Raider
2x Neheb, the Eternal

4x Shock
4x Cartouche of Zeal
4x Lightning Strike
4x Tormenting Voice

4x Ramunap Ruins
14x Mountain
2x Sunscorched Ruins

3x Abrade
2x Insult // Injury
2x Sweltering Suns

Having trouble filling out the rest of my sideboard though, pump spells or more answers?

>>55390533
white mana vampire? did i miss something?

>>55391159
Yes, you missed a lot. Catch up on the spoilers.

>>55391121
what are you trying to do even? some parts want to be aggro, some midrange, some burn, some control and some ramp (no seriously, what's Neheb doing there).

>>55384897
There's zero standard events at any LGS within 40 miles of me. The only shit anyone plays is modern. So, no push promos for me.
Feels bad, man.

>>55382584
>bonctrol
>nearly unwinnable

is this a fucking joke

I haven't played standard in 2 years since eldrazis shitted up the format, since they're rotating out and MtG Arena is coming out I want to make a new deck.

Are cats viable (not top 3 tournament but still decently competitive)? Buying the new commander deck made me like them and there were a bunch printed in the most recent set.

Naya Dinos, lemme know if this list is shit, i printed out proxies to test and i like the way it plays so far but there's always room to optimize

4x drover of the mighty
4x otepec huntmaster
3x kinjallis caller
3x raptor hatchling
3x ripjaw raptor
2x carnage tyrant
2x gishath
2x regisaur alpha
2x ranging raptors
2x rhonas

2x rile
2x savage stomp
2x commune with dinosaurs
4x lighting strike

3x rootbound crag
4x unclaimed territory
3x sunpetal grove
4x mountain
6 x forest
1 x plains

>>55391829
Our store keeps all the Push promos and gives old promos from Origins and DtK.

Got a playset of Botanical Sanctums and Aether Hubs, does UG Merfolk look viable?

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>standard
How come you guys aren't playing cube? Or at least EDH?

Come on. The whole standard process is just a bunch of shit. Im not an elitist, I just want you to make good choices ya know?

Doesn't even have to be a fancy cube. Just play the game.

>>55393922
If you so desired, you could report them to the WPN.

I'm thinking of building monoU flyers, any good suggestions? I already have skyship plunderers, favorable winds and glyph keepers
Also I still don't understand how Magic attract all those elitists faggots, let people play whatever they want ffs

>tfw lgs goes full jew and the only FNM format is draft
>all fucking september
>9€ but still
>forced to go play pauper FNM
I like pauper but come on, the meta at that store was great because there weren't any fucking netdeckers and just brews

>>55394844
WPN?

>>55395110
wizards play network, the service an LGS uses to get promos, run sanctioned tournaments, etc. WPN takes reports of abusive very seriously.

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>>55383618
You're dead before you can drop this anon. Unless of course you're Mono-W lifegain which if so what's the fucking point

So vamps are confirmed for the worst of the 4 tribes right? They have no "big" threat minus that guy who needs 7 life and to tap to kill one whole card even if he stays alive long enough for you to tap him.
It looks like they first went with "gain life" for vamps then halfway through design changed it to token spam so now it's mediocre at both.

>>55394326
>EDH
We already know you aren't an elitist, anon.

>>55395350
How can they know I'm not lying? If the owner, or one of his close friends who play at the store and back him up on everything, say otherwise, how can they know who to believe?

>>55383618
Axis of Mortality
Gideon Emblem
Madcap Experiment with no artifacts
I call it reverse belcher

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>>55394326
Taking the bait. Sorry everyone.

>How come you guys aren't playing cube
Not enough people at my kitchen table or LGS to put together one, let alone willing/able to draft one.

>Or at least EDH?
I do, all the time. You can play more than one format.

>Come on. The whole standard process is just a bunch of shit.
It's actually a really good process in theory. Rotation keeps things fresh and interesting. The lowered power level lets you play janky or otherwise interesting cards without losing on turn 4.

The biggest problem with standard is when the power gap between common/uncommon/rare and mythic is very high, and you have to invest in low-supply/high demand cards to be competitive. Once rotation rolls around, everyone who put money into their deck feels ripped off. WotC seems to have picked up on that lately, and kept recent mythics awful or too narrow to see play in every deck of their color. It's incredibly cheap to put together a competitive, unique brew for standard right now.

>Just play the game.
People who don't play it will always bitch about Standard. I've had tons of fun with the format since I started brewing in Eldritch Moon. I doubt you've even played standard since Rhino rotated out.

>>55396864
WRONG
People who can get enjoyment out of literal shit have mental needs and if you keep giving wotc money then they keep making a shitty product.

>>55393887
Someone here will probably tell you their cat brew is amazing and fantastic, but no.

It might change after rotation because a LOT is rotating out so you never know for sure.

Question: Next expansion looks good. Are the power levels really getting better? Last time I got suckered in, was theros/khans, and I wasn't stupid enough to shell out for the age of Siege Rhino. Is it no longer arm and limb to get into standard?

will ramp have decent support after rotation? i think there's only that dinosaur dude and manalith?

>>55397199
the price for standard is the same it's always been, but all the power in the new set is at the uncommon level. no chase mythics.

>>55397700
Probably not. Ulamog was one hell of a wincon and to what I can see nothing remaining in standard will be as good. And good ramp lands and rocks are leaving too.

What ramp do you think it's most likeley to get reprinted next set? What would you like to see instead?
I want Cutlivate, more enchantments like Utopia Sprawl and untap-dorks

>>55394326
I do play edh with my friends with c17 precons, but Im more invested in 60 cards decks, be it standard, modern or casual.

>>55395939
I wish I could use this card in my local meta (even just kitchen table),but I rarely need to use it when I am winning and when losing it just isn't enught to pull a win.

>>55397199
Just look at the top decks https://www.mtggoldfish.com/metagame/standard#paper and decide if it's worth it.

>>55394326
I play EDH. Nobody here wants to even try cube. I'm considering getting into Standard because Amonkhet and Ixalan have some interesting mechanics that would be too inefficient for other constructed formats, and my friends literally refuse to play any format other than commander.

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Hey

I'm going to my first Friday night magic tonight with a G/B ballista/constrictor/energy deck (with the pummel combo sideboarded)

This will be my first time playing competitively and I just want to hear your opinion about how fucked I'll be.
The only other time I've tried to really play out of my group was the hour of devastation pre-release. I lost every match and just about only won two rounds total. (I had a lot of fun though and I pulled a Bolas in a booster which was sick)
I'll count tonight a success if I win one match.

I usually play once or twice a week with a group of my close friends and this is probably my most competitive deck in our group.
I had to move some old stuff out to make it standard legal, but I feel this is the best I can make it with what I have (could use some fatal push....)

I pulled the electrostatic pummeler into the sideboard and swapped it out for 4 bristling hydra and more removal

I'm thinking I should take the hear of kiran out too.

What do you think?

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>>55397830
I don't really have cards for a proper sideboard, so i put my electrostatic pummeler combo in and more removal.
I'm thinking I can make good use of the lost legacy card to get rid of abrade and shit like that so my artifacts are more safe
Yes,I only have 14 cards.

I forgot to say, I have 21 lands. Four aether hub but only one blooming marsh.
My other dual lands are too old for standard and my faster removal cards are WAY too old for standard hehe.

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>>55394326
>How come you guys aren't playing cube? Or at least EDH?
I do play EDH but i want to play a low power cheap 60 card constructed format too and i have a bunch of cards from prereleases sitting around
>Come on. The whole standard process is just a bunch of shit. Im not an elitist, I just want you to make good choices ya know?
I can't disagree with you but at least now starting with Ixalan rotation is going to happen only after 2 years so i think it's fine as long as they keep reducing the gap between rares/mytichs and commons/uncommons.
>Doesn't even have to be a fancy cube. Just play the game.
I have bought a box of conspiracy to draft multiple times for this reason already.

Captcha:futa motorcycle, holy shit that's some strange kinks, captcha

I'm kind of happy that Ixilan has basically zero modern-worthy cards so far. I just updated my decks to have Boulder boxes, so I'm fine with not having a lot of eternal-worthy cards.

>tfw fnm is quickly approaching, and you don't know if your homebrew deck is actually viable or not because no one has tried what you're doing and you're too poor to buy fatal push

>>55397830
I feel like you're sorely lacking Glint-Sleeve Siphoner and Verd Gearhulk.
>pummeler
Why take up silver bullet slots from your sideboard for a strategy that isn't even very different from the rest of your deck?
>>55397850
>but only one blooming marsh
Fix that. Also Hissing Quagmire is about to rotate out, but it's real cheap, and you might end up wanting it for other formats.

>>55397972
Thanks for the reply (and for not grilling my ass)

So you mean I should put my "silver bullet" strategy back in the main deck?

I haven't actually play tested the deck since swapping them out for the bristling hydras.

Yeah, I just had some old dual lands I've been using and I was lucky enough to pull a Blooming Marsh from a booster, so I've been using that too.
I just haven't spent money on stuff like the lands or gearhulks which I can see is stupid of me.

I wasn't aware of Glint-Sleeve Siphoners being the shit for this type of deck until recently.
the store I'm going to doesn't have any in stock, so I can't pick a playset up before...

That being said. I think Scrounging bandar is very underrated in this style of deck. The ability to move counters around is awesome and it's great if I have one or two constrictors down at the same time. I'd swap them out for glint sleeves if i had them though

>>55398015
>So you mean I should put my "silver bullet" strategy back in the main deck?
Silver bullets are cards that you side in specifically to take down certain decks. I mean you could have 8 cards that are better sideboard cards than just more beats. Like, which matchups would adding pummeler actually help you to win game 2? I'm saying swap those out for things like Natural Obsolescence.

Pummeler is best in dedicated Pummeler decks anyway, and with all the artifact hate that got printed in Amonkhet block, I wouldn't recommend that.

>I wasn't aware of Glint-Sleeve Siphoners being the shit for this type of deck until recently.
She's basically Standard's Dark Confident for energy decks and if that doesn't make you rock hard I don't know what will.

>bandar
It takes another creature in play before it starts accumulating value, and only on the following upkeep. That's turn 4 at the earliest before it starts benefiting from the synergy with snek/rishkar, and it's not an impactful enough synergy to be worth it.


Another thing I'm noticing is that the vehicles feel out of place. Harvester is good in mainboard due to all the aggro in the format, but I wouldn't run 4 since this deck will never want multiples. Heart feels especially out of place with Nissa being your only walker.

Ever noticed how this thread is always filled with bad players asking bad questions. That's because standard is a format for bad/new players. If you're still playing std after multiple rotations you're without sadistic or mentally ill

>>55398176
Ah

I honestly the pummel combo in the sideboard because I don't really have enough cards or anything to make a proper sideboard.
I feel like I need the last 10% to make the main deck really competitive, but yeah.
I kept the pummel combo because I think it's, dare I say, fun to blast it off.

I'm going to swap the heart of Kiran out. one of my brothers just gave it to me so I was pumped to try and use it, but I have another deck it would be great in instead of this one.
I've had a lot of success with the harvesters though. And since I don't really have anything else to swap in like gearhulks or stuff like that, I'll just let them stay.

I see what you mean about the bandar. I'll swap it out for glint sleeves if they have any in stock tonight.

Thanks for the constructive criticism though. I appreciate it. I'd much rather have that than a pat on the shoulder or something you know?

I'm mostly going today because I feel like my deck will go down in it's power level when Nissa goes out of standard.

All in all, I know I'll get my ass handed to me, but I'll have fun either way. I just want to win one match by the end of it hehe.

Now I really hope they have some glint sleeve siphoners in stock.....

>>55398257
You're also missing Longtusk Cub, which is a staple in any energy deck running green, even more-so Constrictor ones. For your sideboard you want answers to planeswalkers, be it Never or Ruinous Path, answers to artifacts/enchantments, Appetite for the Unnatural or Naturalize, maybe some hand disruption, Harsh Scrutiny/Transgress the Mind/Doomfall/Lay Bare the Heart, and at least one boardwipe, Yahenni's Expertise/Bontu's Last Reckoning. Possibly removal that exiles if Hazoret decks are prominent at your shop.

So /tg/, are there already some meme shitbrews with the flipping lands?

>>55398322
I've been eyeing the white one, only because I want to shitbrew an Esper Anointed Procession deck, and it sorely needs a 1-drop that's better than Sacred Cat.

>>55398305
of the cards you mention, I have these in other decks

4 long tusk cub
1 ruinous path
4 transgress the mind
I think 2 appetite for the unnatural somewhere
1 bontus last recokning

I should probably swap the scrounging bandars out for longtusk cubs.

I don't really know how the scene is at the shop since I've never tried playing there other than the last pre release

>>55398347
I was thinking about GW tokens, mostly for Sram's Expertise into Cradle, but ironically there's nothing decent to ramp into

Really not sure what I want to play the last couple weeks before rotation. Pretty much all the decks I have are losing key components. I'm leaning towards Sultai Reanimator for tomorrow, but I also have R/B Hazoret, Mono-B/UB Zombies, Fevered Visions Burn, and Abzan Tokens. Reanimator is a lot of fun, but R/B Hazoret has had the best results at my shop. People just tend not to be prepared for such an aggressive deck shitting out Alms and Tempers with Key making shit unblockable.

>>55396843
OHO now THAT'S what I call a jank idea!

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Today is finally Friday huh..
See ya at the LGS and do your best aka get mana screwed

>>55394326
Who is that bitch? I feel like she's a huge slut.

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>>55396864
If everyone had access to all cards standard would be a good process. Draft also solves the problem. This is supposed to be a test of skill, is it not?

>>55393887
I went undefeated with them at my locals last standard showdown. However it honestly depends on what your store's meta looks like.

It counters your typical blue gearhulk control deck and helps you outlast RDW's burst. Zomb's is going to be a threat but they lose all their horsepower in a week.