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D&D 5th Ed. General Discussion

>Unearthed Arcana: Eladrin and Gith
https://media.wizards.com/2017/dnd/downloads/UA-Eladrin-Gith.pdf

>5etools:
https://astranauta.github.io/5etools.html

>/5eg/ Alternate Trove:
https://dnd.rem.uz/5e%20D%26D%20Books/

>Resources Pastebin:
http://pastebin.com/X1TFNxck (embed)

>Previous thread:
>>55331184

Eladrin or Gith?
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Neither
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>>55340396
>Eladrin or Gith?
Gith. I really want to play a Githzerai monk now
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ToA pdf?
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Has anyone found a shareable copy of Tomb of Annihilation yet? I can't find one anywhere. My LGS won't have it until tomorrow and I'm supposed to start DMing it on wednesday
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>Eladrin or Gith
Human
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>>55340442
No, but the adventure starts in Baldur's Gate, and an NPC wizard teleports you to Chult to end the curse. You end up in some coastal town I think. You can brush on on your Baldur's Gate, and just stretch the first part way out if you want.
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>>55340463
I have a feat fetishl
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>>55340438
Well, Stout Halflings are implied to be the result of halfling/dwarf crossbreeding, and back in the days of AD&D, Tallfellows were likewise implied to be elf/halfling hybrids.

I'd argue that halfling is a "dominant" race, so crossbreeding would just produce halfling subraces, sort of like how planetouched are all defined by their planar lineage or half-orcs are defined more by being Orcs than anything else.
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So do we not have a scan of ToA yet?
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Oh gods that multiple personality feature of the Eladrin is just going to be snowflake bait......

Gith looks decent though.
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>>55340406

Good idea, though with the giant incursion everywhere, wouldn't the audience be triggered as fuck by seeing Harshnag there? Though he is part of Force Greys and the lore state that he's a known name in the Sword Coast due to affiliation. It could project the players that not all giants are bad and all. Might bring in some interesting roleplay (esp since one of my PC backgrounds has it that he hates giants due to what they did to his village.)
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>>55340519
Do you see it in the OP? Do you see it being drowned in (you)s? The answer is no you fucktard, Jesus Christ every thread learn to be patient.
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>>55340519
Is Tomb of Annihilation even out in print yet? How are we supposed to have scans in the module hasn't even been released yet?
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>>55340577
Where the fuck have you been? ToA has been released in print since friday.
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>>55340519
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>>55340560
>Best gunslinger I've seen for 5e.

See this anon gets it!
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>>55340563
>Eladrin is just going to be snowflake bait
>It's our way of acknowledging people with multiple personalities or who are "fluid"
>We have to ensure they feel welcome by making an entire class based around it
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>>55340560
>>55340381
>>55340595

>mercer/criticalrole shit

get the fuck out
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>>55340519
>>55340441
>>55340442
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>>55340595
Stop shilling Mercer's homebrew. He doesn't understand the design philosophy behind 5e and constantly tries to balance out very powerful abilities with harsh drawbacks. It might be fun but it's not well balanced.
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>>55340596
>making an entire class based around it
It's a fucking elf subrace you autist, stop projecting your insecurities so hard
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>>55340396
I *know* the Gith pretty well. Eladrin, not so much.
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>>55340606

You're silly, and I hate you for it.
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>>55340508
This opens a whole new line of investigation, thanks Anon!
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>>55340606
>Naruto RPG
>Special Thanks
>Kubo Tite
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>>55340636
>Getting this upset over shitposting
I think the only one that needs to stop projecting is (you) :^)
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>>55340606
With amazing content like this, why would anyone even need ToA?
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>>55340664
GOTEEM
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>>55340647

DO NOT HANDLE HALFLINGS
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>>55340664
>he doesn't know what projection is
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>>55340596
I think seasonal themes are cool, but I don't get how it makes Eladrins different from normal people.
>When I'm angry, I get bold and aggressive. What am I? I super elf or like a normal fucking person?

>>55340617
>tries to balance out very powerful abilities with harsh drawbacks
>not well balanced
Well, which one exactly is the problem? You make it sound as if it's possible to balance extreme perks, but the sentence preceding it condemned him for trying.
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>>55340591
Hahaha very funny.
I am saving that still though.
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Guys, when are we going to get a druid that transforms into monstrous plants instead of gay furry shit?
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>campain has dog-kobolds
Should I be worried?
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>>55340681
DON'T YOU DARE JUDGE ME ANON, DON'T YOU DARE
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>>55340563
>>55340596
>Not playing an Eladrin that changes gender with the season
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>>55340719
Either furry, grognard, or furry grognard. Not really any worse than cutebolds though.

Unrelated
post cutebolds please
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>>55340719
I mean... kobolds are pretty much dragon dogs anyway. Unless you mean they're actually like that pic, in which case get out while you still can
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>>55340719
>Dog kobolds
You gon' get yiffed son, possibly IRL
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>>55340718
Warforged Plant Druid?
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>Eladrin
>Their character trait is becoming aggressive when something makes them really angry or grieving when something really sad happens to them
So basically it's for players that doesn't understand how to roleplay emotional states?
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>>55340719
>Should I be worried?
If it's a Ragnarok campaign, no
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>>55340719
Like.... Kobolds as small doggo furries, or kobolds of classic editions where they were scaly humanoids with dog-like faces?
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>>55340719
>Kobold

?
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>>55340741
What the sack is a cutebold when it's at home?
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>>55340766
LEAVE
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>>55340508
>sort of like how planetouched are all defined by their planar lineage or half-orcs are defined more by being Orcs than anything else
And mulattoes are still niggers.
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>>55340719
Terrified.
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About to get level 4 on my monk, Should I increase Dex, Wis or is there a good feat for Monks?
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>>55340694
>Accuses someone else of insecurities
>Based off a single shitpost
>Not projecting their own insecurities over the issue
Really nigga
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>>55340775
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>>55340747
>>55340764
DM sent that pic to exemplify, so I guess they're all more or less like that.
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>>55340737
>only having four genders
Get the fuck out you bigot.
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>>55340786
Post empty character sheet pls. Also, more wisdom.
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>>55340786
If you are a shadow monk go Mage Slayer and teleport right next to enemy spellcasters and proceed to punch them right in their magic effeminate penis whenever they try to cast shit

I'd definitely max dex to 20 as soon as possible to have the best chance to hit with your fists no matter what kind of monk you are.
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Is the ruleset easy to use for an Urban Fantasy setting?
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>>55340814
Well, spells like Sending become pretty irrelevant
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>>55340799
Don't walk, run.
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>>55340737
You laugh but I had a player ask if they could play a Shifter that also changes gender when they go beastial.
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>>55340759

Well, eladrin being what they are, it's possible they don't fully grasp the concept of other beings having complex emotions, and therefore believe themselves to be the only "true" sapient race in creation.
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>>55340799
Run far away and never look back.
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>>55340796
To be honest, in this instance, it sounds more of a blessing than a curse
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>>55340596
Projecting so hard you should work at a cinema. Calm the fuck down, or come to terms with your gender dysmorphia. Fucksake.
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>>55340710
I think for the Gunslinger port specifically, it's the Misfire rules which are a carryover from Pathfinder that the anon is talking about.

For me, I remove the Misfire chance but lower the damage die by 1 size on the revolvers to balance it out.
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>>55340840
>elves/eldarin are too autistic to realize they're the only autists in the universe
It all makes sense now.
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>>55340903
So they're a perfect subrace for /5eg/
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>>55340710
I just imagine elves with the whole foppish, over-dramatic Fae nonsense dialed up. Massive highs and lows. Goofy, probably eventually tiresome.
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>>55340837
>>55340854
Am I missing something here? That's a kobold from Suikoden, I'm assuming the DM is running a game styled after a 90s JRPG.
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>>55340802
It's the official WotC character sheet, you can find it anywhere
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>>55340926
Only thing worse than a furry is a furry weeb. Run.
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>My character was an Eladrin Soul-Knife but it turned out that Eladrin were banned and nobody told me
>So then it got turned in to a High Elf
>But then Eladrin got unbanned so I got to change it back
>It's a Haunted One with the combination of the "I talk to spirits that no one else can see" flaw and the Mystic quirk of relying on imaginary companions' approval
>And not my character has multiple personalities

Goddamn. My poor bastard is screwed the HELL up in the head.
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>>55340606
Not gonna lie, I was looking for this because my friends thought I was lying about how long it was.

so...thanks I guess?
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>>55340710
>Well, which one exactly is the problem?
5e's design philosophy is, in part, about eliminating or simplifying 'negatives' as much as possible. It's why stuff like races/classes/items don't have negative stat adjustments and advantage/disadvantage is a simple tertiary state that doesn't stack. There's plenty of cost opportunity and limitations, but very few things use an actual drawback to balance their effects-- and when they do it's usually a very simple one. Balancing a really strong effect with a really strong detriment doesn't really fit 5e.
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Do you guys appreciate what your DMs do?

I'm playing with newbies, and it seems they have no idea or appreciation at all. At all. I'm having a good time DM'ing, but if they just used 1% of the time I use to learn the rules and characters, things would be so much easier...
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>>55340974
perfect for a mystic to be insane desu
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>>55341024
You don't appreciate a good dm until you play with a bad one. Try asking one of them to dm a one-shot.
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>>55341024
Stop telling them how to play their characters and pump the difficulty up to force them to look at their character sheet to try and find something to solve the problem.

This works best after you give them something their character wants. They now have a character they want to keep alive and will now try their best to stay alive.

For the rules, either start putting enemies with unique rules in front of them or traps or situations that could have easily been avoided if they knew the rules.
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>>55340617
Explain this "5e Design Philosophy" thing. I hear this thrown around here very often and I really don't think everyone (or at least me) gets it.

Where in the DMG does it state you have to simplify everything to make it so your class does not have an extra mechanic? Where does it state you can't have a class have a heavy drawback in favor of more power? Is this an unspoken rule or something that /5eg/ has embedded into each other minds? Is this somewhere in a Sage Advice?

To me a class like this (>>55340595
) has its place in this game. There are no classes in the game that have a high-risk high reward system, so it fills a missing spot in the list. Also, im not saying this class is perfect I'm just saying I think you guys might be jumping to conclusions a little quickly without really testing it.
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What's the coolest magic item you've ever seen?
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Is Banishment the best way to deal with a Golem when you just need it out of the fight?
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>>55341228
>There are no classes in the game that have a high-risk high reward system
somewhere under a bridge, wild magic sorcerer weeps, forgotten by one and all.
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>>55341323
The Wild Magic Sorcerer actually helps with my earlier claim, whats wrong with the Gunslinger class having a similar mechanic of risk (Bad rolls jamming guns) and reward (High damage and range).
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>>55341323
I mean you say that but the risk is a level 3 fireball on your ass, and the reward is a reincarnate spell to make up for the fireball on your ass, if you're lucky.
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Can tieflings have heterochromia?
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>>55341393
At a cursory glance what bothers me most about this approach is that unless it rolls badly most of the time it's going to be outperforming other attackers, and a wealthy PC could simply carry 3 or 4 guns and then not care much about misfires. The guns rules in the DMG seem a safer option game-design-wise.
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>>55341565
Just play an Eldarin, they're probably perfect for you
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>>55341565
Yes, Farideh from Brimstone Angels has it.
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>>55341565
What kind of question is this?
Is there any reason they couldn't? Is there any mechanical benefit to heterochromia? What the fuck is stopping you from just saying your character has it?

Seriously, what the fuck kind of question is this?
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>>55341581
I'm asking this entirely to fuck with someone else.
>>55341582
Oh hey neat. I was gonna say one blue and one red, this is even more special snowflake.
>>55341594
I meant as in setting-wise if it was even a physical possibility. Again, I wanted to fuck with someone because I was filling them with one of the edgiest ideas I could possibly come up with for a Tiefling.
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>>55341577
What about the PC who does not have the time or money to craft more of these. In my experience, one of my players only had 2 guns and barely had the time to craft the other one.

I will say they can outperform other attackers if they rolled really well even though 5-15+% of the time they will be doing much less than them.
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>>55341296
Wand of Magic Missle 2
Fires one very powerful projectile, 6 total charges, no known way to replenish them

It was a gun
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>DM with 8 years experience asks me to take over running our games
>Never DM'd before
>"It'll be easy just follow ToA"
>Agree, get the book on Friday
>First chapter throws you right into the biggest city and expects you to manage dozens of plot threads, NPCS and somehow deliver almost the entire stories lore
>First session tommorow
>It's going to be a disaster

kill me
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>>55341844
I believe in you anon. Trial by fire is the best way to learn what it means to DM.
>>55341694
Just google tiefling mutation chart.
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>>55340606
I am upset at the lack of catgirls
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>>55341296
I made this large set of magic items for my campaign/campaigns. I love Virtuous Calamity.
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Tome or Chain for Raven Queen Warlock?
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>>55341867
Thanks bruh, I just hope I dont scare off our new players
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>>55341844
well if you have time...
learn one of the dungeons in there and start the session in media res of a combat.
your players'll know what to do, and you can end the session with them victorious and on their way back to town

which you'll have a few days to prepare since it's going to be awesome and they'll want more
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Hi /5eg/, I'm playing my first DnD campaign in a few weeks time and I've got to start making a character, I figured I'd do something shamelessly ripping off pic related with an Elven battlemaster/fighter.

My problem is with stats and understanding exactly what they mean. I kinda need something like from Fallout New Vegas where it had something like STR 10 being 'Hercules' and STR 3 being 'Wet Noodle', which sort of explained that an utterly average individual would have a 5 on every stat. How do DnD stats match up with real-world attributes?

Basically, is someone with a strength stat of say, eight, some feeble DYEL or just an average strength man? Is someone with intelligence of 10 quite smart or more towards 'dumb as bricks'? I'm worried I'll stat my character and discover later one that I can't be a tank for the group because I gave my character the CON of a twelve year old asthmatic. Where does the average sit, I figured maybe twenty is the max, so average would be 10?
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>>55341963
A person with no strengths or weakness would have everything fall into the 10-11 zone, No bonus, no weakness. Anything lower means that they aren't as good at that, anything higher means they are.

The chart in the PHB should show the modifier to each skill, which should give you an idea of what you need.
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>>55341963

John Everyman of the D&D world probably has somewhere between 9-10 in every stat, and he's as average as can be.
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>>55341963
10 is average (which can be quite dumb/weak depending on your setting)
the commoner NPC has 10 everywhere for example
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>>55341963
10 on a stat in D&D is base human, so a 5 for SPECIAL. Joe the bandit is a little quicker and a little hardier than a commoner, so joe has 12s on Dex and Con rather than 10, that's like having a 6 for SPECIAL.
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>>55341963
10 is average, 20 is the maximum you can get without magic items or being a barbarian. Tiamat, the evil goddess of dragons and the strongest monster in 5e, has strength 30.
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>>55341963
Whoa there friend
There be dragons where you are going.

Instead of coming to us, have you considered reading the Players Handbook? For Strength specifically, you want page 176, which will also tell you how much you can carry, push, and lift in pounds.

In the following pages, you can also discover various descriptions of other abilities.

Now, for the game itself, depending on what you decide to have as your Attacking Stat as a Battlemaster Fighter (Ether Strength or Dexterity, but sounds like Strength since you posted a ax mofo pic) you want the Stat to be as high as possible as soon as possible. Then, as a fighter, you may want to up Constitution to increase your health, or dip into Feats, to give yourself extra options and edge.

Good luck anon!
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>>55342019
>>55342020
>>55342030
>>55342043
Thanks for clearing that up, gives me a good base to work from. Cheers.

And also not making fun of playing Elf
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>>55342073
elves r dumb lmao can't even into rocks
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>>55341963
Purely comparing the physical prowess of d&d characters, 20 strength makes the player about 90% as strong as the strongest man on earth, so basically world class
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>>55341867
All I'm getting is stuff for like Pathfinder.
>>55341904
This Tiefling I'm making actually is a Raven Queen Tomelock albeit with Shillelagh.
>>55342073
Your only problem is that there's no STR elf race, unless you pick STR as a Half-Elf.
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>>55342073
Bro, we have devil babies, angel babies, literal catgirls, cannabilistic lizards, and they JUST released fairy elves. Reg Elf is fairly tame.

You are still a fucking faget tho. Fae are fucking arseholes and every FUCKING time they show up it is nothing but fuckery and I hate them so much FUCK. FUCK FARIES. SO MUCH FUCKING HATE.

But I hope you have a fun time playing and enjoy your experiences at the table anon :)
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>>55342073
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>>55340396
trash UA
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>>55342169
thanks for the contribution.
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>>55342218

I mean, he's not wrong.
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>>55342230
And yet, calling you a faggot would be correct, but add nothing to the thread.
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>>55341963
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>>55342262
Would you have sperged if he said it was an amazing UA full of exciting content?
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i can't wait to play a LW githyanki that gives out hugs and cuddles :3
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>>55342137
Hey you should know better than to accept anything from them by now.
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What Warlock subclasses can we expect in Volo's? Seeker, Celestial, Hexblade and Raven Queen are all viable choices.

Also there will be new Invocations, no?
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>>55342405
I can't wait to tell people no
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>>55340719
Either gon' get yiffed or the GM just felt like mixing it up.
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>>55342364
>an amazing UA full of exciting content
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eVFd46qABi0
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>>55342405
Xe better be chaotic neutral FOR TEH LUL RADUM GLOMPS XDDD
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>Join a group
>Party is an Aasimar, a Kenku, a Tabaxi, a Dragonborn and a Tiefling
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>>55342531
Meant Xanathar's of course
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>>55342543
At least one of them looks human.
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>>55342543
Run
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>>55342543
Play a goliath paladin.
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>>55341565
The closest we have to a tiefling Drizzt (except actually well-written) has heyerochromia.

It's noted that people view tieflings with heterochromia as walking and talking bad omens.
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How would you feel if I took the wizard:necromancer class features and put them 1:1 onto a warlock as the patron features?
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>>55342543
My players are currently dragonborn, tiefling, genasi, half-drow.
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So I wanna make a dude who's background is being stuck on a pirate ship acting as walking magical artillery. I'm wondering is I should go Sorc or Wizard.
thoughts?
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>>55342688
>Daddy fucked a water genie
>Am human sorcerer now with weird water powers
>Daddy was a pirate, told me he'd love me if I was his trump card
>Daddy becomes captain because I am his dead machine
>Cause lightning storms and shit because I have daddy issues

There you go OP. You can make it more or less mental if you want.
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What are good multi-class options for a OoA Paladin, or should I just stick with Paladin until 20?
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>>55342688
Tempest Cleric
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>>55340563
Okay, in their original 3.5 appearance, did the Eladrin have this 'fluid personality' thing going on? Because if not, I really don't see the point of adding it into their personality. (Granted, I really don't see the point of Eladrin period, but that's just me being a dick.)
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>>55342729
>Daddy fucked a water genie
...that gives birth to water genasi, not humans.

Speaking of,
>>55342688
Probably not optimized but water genasi storm sorcerer would very likely fit the theme you're going for.
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>>55342826
>Gives birth to water genasi

Then be a water genasi or be a human and call it a weird miracle birth I don't care.
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>>55342789
Lore bard
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>>55342826
>...that gives birth to water genasi, not humans.
I mean, technically, doesn't that only matter if he's in like an official Adventurer's League game? If it works for whatever the home campaign is, can't he just say daddy fucked a water genie, and when the genie showed up with the kid, it looked pretty darn human, but had plenty of magic potential?
Not trying to be a 'depends on the setting' dick about this.
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>>55342642
I don't see anything broken, unless you are getting like 20 short rests a day to cast animate dead. Grim Harvest seems sort of useless, unless hex counts
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>>55342826
>...that gives birth to water genasi, not humans.
not that anon but...How about you come up with your own fucking background then?
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What do you guy who've read ToA think about introducing a plot thread about the market value of diamonds totally crashing with resurrection out the window?

Two things I want to do with this are:
1. An old beggar woman in the gem district offers the PCs literally fistfulls of diamonds in exchange for food, which go from 1cp to 1000gp each after the death curse is resolved

2. The merchant lord in charge of the gem trade acts like a stuck up cunt in chapter 1, but when the PCs revisit the port they find her life in shambles as the other princes repossess her villa
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>>55342826
>>55342927
It's a home thing like you said, so It shouldn't be an issue to be a human. I really wanted to play human for a change, since my group has a tendency for the more... "special" races, myself included.
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>>55342614
>Walking talking bad omens
>The backstory to this character I'd been making up was "character was locked up in near-total isolation for several years with the only company of any sort being a raven that showed up in the windowsill that the tiefling got overly attached to"
Oh yeah. This can work.
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>>55342913
Why this?
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>>55342826
>Daddy fucks a water Genasi
>"oi, btw luv, my wish is that our kid dont become no special snowflake faggot race. cheers! *cums*"
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>>55342140
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>>55342972
Spiffy.
How bout this then?

>be human with genasi/genie ancestry
>family spent generations just hanging around small coastal fishing village, using all them powers to help prosper and protect from storms
>pirates hear about this little village
>raid, kidnap your pc as a child
>use him as weaponry and protection from storms as they sail about

Storm Sorcery's got a lot of weather-affecting stuff but the early level boon is kind of craptastic.
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>>55342991
Full spellcaster so you have more spell slots in the long run, gives you better utility and most important of all, it fits the OoA theme because you're bringing joy to the masses by playing songs, entertaining and fuggin.
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>>55340396
I like this elf. Give me more elves.
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>>55340869
Wohoah now, careful, calling that mental illness a mental illness is illegal in like five countries.
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>>55343150
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>>55343064
That's almost exactly what I was thinking.
I was hoping a wild magic sorc, and I might change it a bit so I can do so, but I can make storm work too, cause it seems perfect.

thanks anons.
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>>55339715
Not them, but that sounds remarkably broken and unnecessary. I would suggest opening yourself up to critiques instead of simply they're all shit, and actually listening. What you have is remarkablyworse than what was presented in the UA.
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What are Elves for again?
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Can you cast remove curse on a unwilling lycanthrope?
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>>55343251
No

Unless your DM lets you
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>>55343181
Fucking.
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>>55340396
Alright /tg/ I got pulled into a weird game of DnD and I need help. Basically this is a super trusted DM of mine that I've known for years, and every time he runs a game I've had a blast, this time he's loosely based the games theme off of season 1 of YuGiOh. My question is, how would you make a Beaver Warrior card as a character? We start at level 1.
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>>55342967
Diamonds still have other uses than just resurrection. They're still a rare and valuable good for jewelry/fashion, and they have their uses in other spells: Chromatic Orb, Gate, Glyph of Warding, Greater Restoration, Stoneskin, Symbol, and Nondetection. If anything, I'd recommend possibly just decreasing the price of diamonds to no lower than 75% their normal value until the soulmonger gets destroyed.
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>>55343288
Is this fucking real?
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>>55343288
What kind of sheet are you even using? If its the kind with teo boxes I reccomend 1200 attack and 1500 defence
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>>55343297
100$ serious. The game starts on Wednesday and I have no idea what the other three players are making, but I'm choosing to make my character as a card that already exists, instead of making a completely new character because fuck it.

>>55343311
Just a normal character sheet
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>>55343150
everyone knows the best elves have BEARDS
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>>55343341
>I'ma be a card that already exists
>I choose Beaver Warrior
>A fucking beaver

uhh... look up beaver stats in 3.5 or pathfinder, I'm sure it has some unique abilities there then translate that into 5e with level 1 fighter or barbarian?

This isn't real. I refuse to believe it.
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Post your favorite spell combinations, bonus points for creativity and ones you figured out yourself.
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>>55340396
So these UA Eladrin don't retain any of the other elf features, then?
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>>55343379
How exactly did you come to this conclusion?
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>>55341946
Is White Plume Mountain actually in ToA?
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>>55343288
>Based of s1 yugioh
>Not making catapult turtle and blowing up castles
>Not making time wizard and coinflipping out of every jam
>Not making yourself one of Exodias legs and getting thrown into the ocean

Come on son
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>going to be playing with a group of 3 new players
What's a good class for protecting and correcting newbies, other than the obvious wizard?
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Stat me
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>>55343400
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tales_from_the_Yawning_Portal
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Dog-bold guy here.
Session is turning out to be DM's wild anime-magical realm power fantasy.
send help
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>>55343451
Paladin/Fighter/Barbearian
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>>55343451
Cleric, probably of the life variety. Heals, Rezzes and pretty much anything else youre ever gonna need utility wise
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>>55343464
We warned you man
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>>55343460
Banned/10
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>>55343464
We warned you.
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>>55343464
WAAAAAAAAAOOOOOOWWWWW

WHO WOULD HAVE FUCKING THOUGHT?
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>>55343463
Already ran everything in that book. Reasom I'm asking about ToA is beacuse he responded to another question about ToA with the WPM map.
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doing point buy, rolling a wizard who's backstory involves being sent out to become a strong wizard so that his merchant guild/family can use his status as a selling point. I'm going with the guild merchant background and i'm planning on going abjuration because the character is going to be a bit of a pussy, and I want his stats to kind of reflect this.

>STR 8 / DEX 12 / CON 15 / INT 16 / WIS 12 / CHA 11

Am I fucking up my wizard, /5eg/? i've never played one before i'm so scared of sucking
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>>55343514
>going to be a bit of a pussy
Lower cha, raise dex. Other than that, it's really hard to fuck up a Wizard without completely ruining them in character creation. You'll do fine
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>>55343514
Say to your dm "I'm so excited about my spellbook feature, I cant wait to see what you give me!"

Ten sessions later you should have 4-5 extra spells
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>>55343514
That's one wicked tough wizard.
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>>55343150
>>55343352
You're goddamned right they do.
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>>55343514
>Abjuration
>For pussies

Naw nigga Illusion is the faglord one. Abjuration is for steely chads who want to protect all that pussy from being turned into a lich and shit.

Also if you are trying to become a 'famous wizard' as a selling point it sounds like Transmutation is right up your alley. The matriarch of the guild wants you to go forth and make a name for yourself and try to learn the secrets of turning shit into gold and other valuables for trading purposes. Along the way you say 'psshh no way fag' and start transmuting for yourself, making an enemy out of your merchant guild/family by betraying them.
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>>55343514
My recommendations from what I can read of the character concept:
Lower con, raise dex (he's a pussy so he's probably not very hardy but probably be better at ducking out of the way of things)
Lower cha, raise wis (he's wise enough to know he should duck out of the way of things)
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>>55343556
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>>55343580
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>>55343556
A terrifying villian or a cool ally, either way saved for use later in my campaign
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>>55343556
>>55343608

>Venerable Elf
>Old for an elf whatever that age is in your setting
>Fucker is a level 18 Eldritch Knight
>Wafflestomps orcs for fun
>Still a giant trap like all elves
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Anyone god any fun multiclass builds? I'm not too hot on multiclassing and have a hard time finding synergies
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>>55343552
you talking about my con? yeah that one is definitely the player singing through and not the character, you're not wrong

>>55343548
>>55343575
>lower cha
I could I suppose, I was thinking that he'd be at least semi decent at talking to people coming from a family of merchants? but I can see where you're coming from. Plus i might get a better perception score out of it

>lower con
i'm terrified

>>55343574
my line of thought was that Abjuration would make sense for a pussy because he wanted to make sure he'd make it out of the fights alive. He himself really doesn't have a ton of interest in the "famous wizard" schtick, he's just pursuing it out of obligation
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>>55343632
Shadow Monk/Rogue Assassin makes a mean Ninja
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>Running roll20 ToA
>Find series of a group already running it
>Fuck yeah
>One of the PCs in a tranny and they pther is an minmaxing autist with a $5 mic

Guess I'll wait for the dms guild guide
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>>55343514
>You're in magic college and Urist McBrawn, the 8 INT mountain dwarf Wizard transpositions up to you and slaps your ass.
What do.
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>>55343637
Abjuration doesn't get you out of fights, Illusion does or Enchantment to try and weasel your way into the hearts of your enemies and trick them into thinking you're more a faggot that you already are.

Abjuration is about protection IN battle.

You could make a case that he is a diviner and tries to see the future and avoid any and all conflict that way.
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>>55343637
Very few people are bound to notice your stat block being player-motivated over character-motivated if you roleplay it well. But in your positiOn I would embrace the discomfort and try to grow by having the stats be character-motivated.
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>Make a warlock for a level 1 adventure
>Take old one patron and have him never verbally speak
>No party members know what his voice sounds like
>Start talking to the barbarian and tell him it's the his fathers voice and that he's a disapointment
>Watch as barbarian starts getting paranoid from the sudden incursion of voices in his head
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>>55343632
Barbarogue for sneak-attack-crit-fishing
Sorcadin for hella smites
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>>55343654
probably awkwardly apologize for making things weird and try to shuffle away while staring at the ground
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>>55343483
>>55343489
>>55343496
I didn't listen. I could have prevented this. It's the destiny I chose.

>roll up with human cleric
>rest is kenku, lizardfolk, tiefling and some anime guy
>some npc anime guy++ kills 30 guards at once and raises them all as zombies
>we're probably gonna die
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>>55340396
What's your preferred starter level? I'm used to playing other D&D where starting at level one is brutal and not super fun. Is it like that here? I've heard that 3 is the place to start.
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>>55343550
As a DM, fuck you. Because this would definately work on me.

You'd be finding old text books, tripping over scroll racks and having NPC's offer "Now I may just be an alchemist but I do know how to cast a few spells you might be able to use, when you're finished with that job for me how about I teach you one or two if you have a few days to stick around in the city.".
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Playing a 15str 11dex 14con 10int 8wis 16cha eladrin 4th level paladin with Elven accuracy, how fucked am I?
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>>55343725
AHAHAHA
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>first real experience with 5e was critical role
>oh man this week between episodes is so tough haha
>start up a campaign a few weeks ago
how do you guys deal with the break between sessions? i'm literally spending half my time thinking about the game. i guess i should just try to find a second campaign or some shit, i'm going insane
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>>55343727
3 is probably best. It's gets you to your first real class power or it digs you out of the hole that is made by multiclassing sooner so you are at least 1 or only 2 levels away from the combo coming together finally.
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>>55343734
See I really wish wizards had more restrictive spell lists so this was more of an emphasis. Maybe swap the sorcerer and wizard lists, but give wizards the ability to jot spells down; with the implication that the wizard list is something or a starting point, common stuff they can get regular enough access to.

It's a vague and incomplete idea, but I think it would be neat.
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>>55343758
Are you new to the game? I had the same thing for my first couple of years but it does fizzle out a bit.

D&d is gud gam
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>>55343725
>Anime guy raises them all as zombies

He doesn't sound so bad!
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>>55343727
Levels 2, 3 and 5 are the big power jumps, so I'd recommend any of those
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>>55343778
yeah, it's something i've always been on the peripheral of but never actually played myself
we've literally just done the most basic killing merc shit but i'm so enthralled
my dm isn't even amazing and two of the players suck ass, but the experience is so fun as a whole
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>>55343787
not our anime guy, the villain anime guy
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>>55343801
You are the innocence and sense of fun that so many of us need to recapture.
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>>55343251
Can unconscious creatures resist spells?
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>>55343801
Welcome to fucking dnd. It'll never be as magical as the first time. Something always goes fucking wrong and That Guy will forever haunt your play sessions!
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>>55343663
Abjuration's focus on magical protection might be an asset in a merchant guild though, while they wouldn't likely brag about an illusionist or enchanter on staff. Diviner is good too, but maybe they'd keep that to themselves, you know? Insider trading and all.
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>>55343725
Are you the horrible human being with the anime token at the bottom, or the maybe-not-so-horrible one with the regular token at the top-left?
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>>55343831
>insider trading and all
That's an interesting angle. Instead of the whole "let's get famous off your reputation," why not have it so that they forced him into training when he showed base-line promise as an oracle?
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>>55343831
If he wants to be a wimp, I say illusion
If he wants to be an asset to the guild, he's be transmutation

I'm just a sucker for abjuration and don't want some incel playing a bitch-abjurer and sullying the best school but you play whatever you find fun. I'm betting a merchant guild would find any wizard to be an asset really.
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>>55343849
top-left

our anime guy is something elven
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>>55343828
>it'll never be as magical as the first time

I dunno mang. My first time was very similar to that guy: my DM was...average at best, and one of the players was an absolute That Guy, and the other didn't really know how to roleplay so he just rolled "Himself: The Character".

It was STILL super fun. When that game predictably fell apart, I ended up DMing with a new group just so I could keep it up and now I fucking love that maybe even more than actually playing this is why I was asking for tips on my Wizard PC above, I've only played once
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>>55343801
Welcome to the game man. I love the enthusiasm and out-of-the-box thinking new players bring to the table. I've been running D&D for some newbies myself and it's a blast.

I hope you have a great time now and in the future.
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>>55343460
>stat a spell
u fukkin wot?
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>>55343288
Stout Halfling (Champion?) basically DEX Fighter refluffed as a beaver person. Gain Medium Armor Mastery when you can. Beaver Warrior seems to only wear half plate.
There's no need to ask about a swim speed for him since he's an EARTH Monster, but you could it you wanted. Either Defense or Dueling style, or Mariner if you want to put away the shield for swim speed.

This is coming from someone that contemplating making one of the Spirit Charmers in to a character.
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>>55343801
This is pretty much exactly how it was for me too, I always felt it was a shame that none of my fellow players had that enthusiasm.

Best advice I can give you is know when to jump ship to a different table. Being the most passionate in D&D is a very easy way to get fucked over by people who dont have the same love of the game. Thats what gets most of us.
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>>55343867
I'm just busting his balls. Shit's still fun, That Guy, bad DM, shit rolls or whatever.
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I'm thinking of playing an Order of the Ancients Paladin.

What's your experience with them? What kind of character did you play?
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>>55343867
This is way too close to describing my first table.
The worst part is I might be the guy who rolled himself
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What optimized build would win in a 1v1 pvp fight? 1v multiple players?
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>>55343919
What level? What books? Magic items allowed? etc
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>>55343863
Bless.

>>55343867
Honestly, as a (happily!) forever-DM I have to say that I enjoy the game a lot more after putting in 16 years of practise. I don't mean to say that me and my buddies didn't have fun bumbling through randomly-created nonsensical dungeons fighting whatever monsters I rolled or chose from the MM, but I feel like time and experience have given me better understanding of how to be fun for all sorts of players, how to tie things together, how to foreshadow, how to engage the PCs with the world, how to run a game by the seat of my pants, how to run it by the rules, and everything else.
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>>55343868
>>55343828
>>55343817
Thanks goys

>>55343877
Luckily the group bard and I are on the same wavelength and we have a bunch of fun together doing inane shit like try to woo some random blacksmith by giving him 30 shortswords we looted from a merc base.
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>>55343919
Some multiclass rouge assassain warrior bullshit that gets 4 sneak attacks a round
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>>55343725
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>>55343875
You're the real hero anon, much obliged.
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Pic related is what the BBEG of my campaign looks like. Basically a Dr. Manhattan-lite, whose been siphoning magic energy from everyone for years to break a seal keeping him on the planet and using his Spelljamming Helm to get into space.

Help me stat him / ideas for a final encounter?
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>>55343932
Anything found in WotC is legal
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>>55342933
Any ideas for what to put in for 4th and 5th level spells?
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>>55343725
Stop playing online.
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>>55343919
Pure Wizard :^)
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>>55343990
Assuming level 1? Wizard probably

Sleep is broken
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>>55343987
>bbeg

ugh.
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>>55343993
Blight and Phantasmal Killer for 4th level.

Cloudkill, Insect Plague, and Raise Dead for 5th level.
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>>55344013
gl when my based cleric god squashes you with her thumb while I sip tea in a village on the other side of the planet
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>>55343990
>>55344029
Well, I should say anybody with the sleep spell
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>>55344032
I thought about raise dead, but it seems like it'd be stepping on cleric's toes too hard and I'm already stealing wizard:necromancer's everything.
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>>55343993
Blight and Death Ward
Maybe antilife shell for 5th
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Sneak attack:

>only requires an adjacent ally
or
>must successfully hide on the round before

?
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>>55344076
>only requires an adjacent ally

There's some other stuff, but the easiest requirement is just having an ally near the enemy.

And don't you fucking say that's OP
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>>55343727
We generally start at either 3rd level, or 6th level.

We recently run one game at first level but we had plenty of bonuses, the GM is the kind of "Carrot or the Bigger Carrot" kind of guy, who is holding his Bigger Stick XL behind his back.

He gave us all +10 to HP to avoid the one-hit kills of first level, and 2 bonus feats that must be from UA Racial Feats, or UA Skillfeats. Variant humans are also to only recieve a feat from this list too. No stat may be higher than 17.

This is to allow for more unique and interesting abilities to be picked up without having to sacrifice for martial feats or 20's in casting stats, as well as offering a likely +2 to any stats at character creation to make Race a less stat bonus based choice, if you wanted a Dwarf Bard, then make one and pick up one of the skill feats instead of thinking "I wish I went half-elf for the charisma.".

Of course, this is because the GM absolutely loves playing with stat blocks and making fights harder. A tough fight with a Chimera got tougher when we suddenly realise it also has Legendary actions. Cutting through the necromancers zombies in a ruined village is easy until we get to the guard-outpost and four of the zombies are wearing chainmail. A fight with a troll bandit-leader became much harder when we discovered that "Trogg the Redd" was named as such because he was half red-dragon and only acid prevented him from regenerating, the GM pointed this out as a good time to have been using history checks or asking the townsfolk about rumours rather than just saying "Sure we'll kill that guy, Dwarfbeard finish your pint, Whizbizz, you know firebolt right?".
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>>55344029
>>55344051
Wouldn't both just go elf to counter that?
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>>55343727
Level 1 baby
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>>55343727
1st level is best level
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>>55344029
>>55344051
>>55344096
Yes. Assume you will have to fight hundreds of players all using different techniques, mono y mono, so you can't use just one, easily counter able spell.
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>>55343727
I enjoy first level because you get to feel the huge powerjumps, but I agree it has some issues
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>>55344031
Villain
Primary Antagonist NPC
Next major Encounter

What does it matter what they're called.
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>>55343727
personally I prefer either 1st level and I just don't have monsters add in their stat bonus to damage rolls to off-set how lethal 1st level can be, or 2nd level.
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>>55340591

I swear to FUCKING GOD if I see that GODDAMN catgirl homebrew ONE MORE TIME...
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>>55344031
Let's call them SBFCL's

Stupid Butt Face Cunt Lords
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>>55344196
You're totally going to make a catgirl next game aren't you?
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>>55340940
There are worse things to be weebish about, especially with Suikoden 1, 2, and to a lesser degree 5.
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>>55344032
>>55344072
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1-TwfUTmqC2XUC_estJNQn9o9omP7QR9EYFTVVepH2C0/edit?usp=sharing
Does it look like I forgot anything?
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>>55343986
It's absolutely no problem, it was fun thinking about it. If you have any other monsters you might think of I'd not mind much trying to put my head around them
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I plan on running a game in the near future. DM'd 3.5 for a long long time, finally deciding to try out 5e now that I've played it for a while. Obviously not everything can be perfectly balanced, and I want my future players to be able to play everything with some level of confidence. Pretty sure I have Sorcerer tweaks all worked out, thanks to this general, but I was wondering if any other classes are real trap options, and how one might adjust those so players don't get stuck and frustrated with a character that feels useless compared to the other classes. Thanks for any help, always appreciated.
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How many boxes do you fill /tg/?

I am a 2 and my groups "that guy" is an 8
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>>55344235
I dislike Phantasmal Killer just because it's illusion and would rather see Blight personally
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>>55343150
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>>55344299
It's incredibly hard to make a bad character in 5e, you have to go out of your way to do it
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>>55344301

I brought snacks a couple times...
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>>55344307
Warlocks already have access to blight, so it doesn't make sense to put it on the expanded spell list.
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>>55344299
beastmaster ranger is very the worst class in the game, and avatar magic monk is also very bad.
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>>55344227
>>55344196
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>>55344301
Use to be top middle. Not a fat fuck but I never ate before sessions.

Got a guy who fills half this shit. About to murder his ass and really don't care if the group doesn't like it. We spend 50% of the fucking sessions acting out his shitty character.
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>>55343727
If I'm teaching brand new players? Level 1 with pre-gens. D&D is complicated enough for newbies without subjecting them to character creation.

If I'm playing with people who have played D&D before, I just start them at Level 3. I think that's a good level because they're still low-level enough to be threatened by low-level threats, you don't have to worry about a single longsword attack knocking them unconscious, and they usually have their class archetype / specialization / whatever-the-heck.

>>55344330
How do we make it better?
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>>55344301
How did I do.
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>>55344235
Maybe limit the level 14 feature to a number of times equal to your CHA modifier, minimum 1, and that it recharges after a long rest. Being able to constantly spam, "OBEY ME!" to things like zombies and ghouls is fine, but in theory you can take spam it and eventually take command of Strahd and fuck up EVERYONE'S day in Ravenloft for the next hour, easily.
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>>55344328
Well fuck me then! Give them phantasmal killer!
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>>55344301
We run a podcast so of all the players none of them check off more than 1 or 2 on that chart.
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>>55341024
I used to bring my last DM piles of baked goods l got from work as a form of thanks for all his work.
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>>55344371
UA ranger reworks and a total revamp of the monk spellist and ki usage are probably the way to go
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>>55344380
All the class features are ripped 1:1 from the wizard, with the slight exception that animate dead doesn't consume one of your known spells.
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>>55343725
>That map
>Squares as big as city blocks
>Tokens as big as squares

Are you fighting in fucking Lilliput? Jesus christ
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>>55344301
I stole from a party member once because he was being an asshole in-character, I'm a 1
My That Guy of the group is an 11
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>>55344301
I've ran characters that want to split up the party before. I've also gotten very drunk during (online) sessions.

My party's that guy though, maybe 12-14 of em
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\>>55344378

Does center left count if you do it sarcastically?
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>>55344454
That break immersion, anon. Way to be a jerk.
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>>55343758
Me too bro. I DM for a group of my equally inexperienced friends, but I also want to play a character and go exploring
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>>55344419
Our tokens are just so we know where we are in relation to one another.
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>>55344454
Yes it counts. Doing anything sarcastically is still doing it.
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>>55341963

Average human is 10 or 11 in every stat. If it helps, the rules describe lifting and carrying based off strength. If you lift weights, that should give you a good sense of things.

Since everything is on a d20, a difference of +1 really only amounts to adding five percentage points to your chance of success. On contested rolls, a difference of +1 means you win ten times and tie once out of every twenty contests. So the kinda-awkward-but-not-autismo nerd manages to out-charm a normie nine times out of twenty on opposed charisma checks. Ultra-Chad at 18 cha versus basement nerd of 6 cha? Nerd wins one time in five.
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>>55344476
Now is a great time to learn about timestamps.
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>>55344301
Our groups that guy:
>Brings no snacks, eats most of what everyone else has brought
>Smells like he hasn't bathed in several weeks
>Lies about his rolls
>Creates loner character with no interest in plot
>"I murder the shopkeeper and loot the place"
>Narrates what other players' characters do
>Never RP's, is only here to hit things with an axe.
>Creates a chaotic evil character in a good group
>Steals from another PC
Sort of. He hasn't outright "stolen", but he has used items from PC's backpacks without saying anything, since he just .. Assumes he has access to it, therefore.
>Only looks up from his phone/ipad when its his turn

Only stopped by circumstance:
>"Gets in a fight with all of the town guards"
Because we've outright stopped him from doing stuff like "I burn down the town", otherwise he would be dealing with guards.
>Rolls without saying what he's doing
Because he doesn't understand what to roll.
>Gets his hands on a plot item and sells it.
Because we've outright stopped things from ending up in his hands, as we know that will happen.
>Insists he is the party leader and gets visibly upset when other players don't follow his orders
He's been .. Close. He treats it as if its a single player RPG, and commands other characters around. If he gets an idea, he tries to ram it through SUPER FUCKING HARD and expects to be congratulated for it. Will pout if people don't shower him with praise.
>Betrays the other PC's for personal gain
We haven't let him get into such a situation. That's the only reason why.

God DAMN is his THATGUY level high. Personally I would only qualify on "Argues with DM about a rule for at least five minutes straight" because my DM has tried to pull shit like "Yes I know your a Barbarian character who's got the Shield Master feat and are entirely focused around prone-and-boning characters, but I don't think that prone makes sense on a four legged animal [like a dog] because its not the same thing as a person laying prone."
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>>55343986
Oh, also, you better fucking keep us informed, because this is something I'm hella interested in.
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>>55343725
okay but I love that bird token though?
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>>55344501
Seconding this, hella intrested in how this and
>>55343725
this cancer work out
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>>55341844
If you need to pad time to give you some more time to figure things out in the Port, you can have everyone travel to Chult by boat. As they enter the Bay of Chult, run the dragon turtle encounter (pg 42). And once they get at the Port, emphasize that one of the dinosaur races will be happening either later that day or the next day; see if you can either pull them in to participate or it'll give you a chance to stretch things by saying a character is busy preparing for the race and won't be able to see the players until after.

Alternatively, you could try and encourage them to just head straight out of Chult by putting heavy emphasis on finding a guide and heading out into the jungles to either check shit out or help their guide with whatever quest.
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>>55344301
I'm poor so I never bring snacks, although I usually try not to gorge myself on whatever others bring. Also I have once had an argument with the DM about rules that got a bit heated.

The thing the annoys me the most in my group is that half of them constantly play on their Switches or talk over the DM, and he's a sort of timid guy so he doesn't try and get them back on track very well.
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>>55344301
Blue bubbles are me, red and green are the other two players in the group who are the highest "That Guy" in my group.

In my defense of blue bubble, it's only when I want to try and carry over a character race, class, concept, or item from an older edition to the newer one, and I propose the thing to the DM first prior to approval and not just using it without their permission.
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>>55343987
>Dr. Manhattan-lite
So how "-lite" are we talking? Because Dr. M is literally omnipotent and even a "-lite" version of him could easily tpk in 1 action.

What level are the players? What level do you expect them to be when they encounter him?
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>>55344301
I do the "narrates what other players' characters do" in a purely joking sense upon certain roll results.
Mostly in describing the results of a nat 1.
>>55344538
>>55343725
You absolute madman.

Also is your Aasimar using fucking Link for a token?
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>>55344610
>So how "-lite" are we talking? Because Dr. M is literally omnipotent and even a "-lite" version of him could easily tpk in 1 action.

I meant mostly in personality. He's not quite jobber level (X-Men) Apocalypse, but he fills that role / persona.

Players will be level 10, and a head on confrontation would be seemingly impossible, but they'll have Macguffin equalizers that will depower or make openings against him.
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>>55340396
Barbarian Helf with Elven Accuracy and some levels in Champion Fighter - is this the best crit fishing build?
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>>55343987
>>55344610
I'd hope they'll be quite high when they do meet him because, going off of his demonstrated abilities, he'd at least have access to Disintegrate.
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>>55344628
>Also is your Aasimar using fucking Link for a token?
Yeah. It's a half-elf btw
Now there's a magical girl guiding us (she's the brown token there)
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>>55340606
one thousand
one hundred
and fifteen pages

of shit
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>>55344301
I'm honestly a bit of the middle because I'm not too comfortable/good at rping yet, I still kinda treat the character as an extension of my personality and not its own entity
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>>55340869
what did you use to make this map?
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What class+subrace is your Gith character going to be?
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>>55340606
Naruto Fans confirmed most fucking autistic.
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>>55344734

I don't think I want to play one.
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>>55344734
They don't really fit in my setting.
Same with Eladrin really.
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>>55344734
Purged like all beings of the astral plane
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>>55344641
Bud, requiring a macguffin to have a chance of fighting someone means you've gotten the party way ahead of themselves on the power scale and diminish the apparent threat level of any subsequent bad guys. I'd seriously recommend having this macguffin simply kick the can down the road a few millennia and seal him away again, only to have him conveniently figure out a way of breaking free again when the party's actually ready to face him head-on.
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>>55340786

Rough. you can't really skimp on stats, so unless your DM is kind enough to hand them out as a quest rewards you're probably not going to get any feats. Max your Dex and wis asap.
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>>55344681
Actually I had the idea that Hylians actually would fit half-elves pretty well the other day, weird, even figured Minish Cap Link and Vaati would both be Hexblades

What the fuck is this session even?
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>>55344787
>and diminish the apparent threat level
*which, if they succeed, will diminish...
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>>55344301
Where is "bad-metagaming"?
>Failed a Perception check
>DM narrates to players that succeeded.
>A friendly NPC has some keys showing, which could be useful to open doors around the place.
>"I want to steal the keys"
Cue arguing how he didn't notice them, so he can't steal them.
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Playing a half-elf druid who is currently in her first trimester of pregnancy. How can I play it safe?
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>>55344829
Retiring her so she doesn't take a hit to the gut from a monster
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>>55344829
Retire

Adventurer is literally the worst profession for a child
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>>55344829
Don't. Wildshape into a spider, and see what happens.
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>>55344829

by not adventuring like a dumb bitch.
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>>55344802
I don't know senpai. It's supposedly not!China but there's kunai and shuriken wielding naruto-tier fags running around.
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>>55344301
>Creates CE char in good group
>implying CE cant be a Machiavellian that knows how to not fuck his own shit up by being an angsty turd
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>>55344501
>>55344538
Will do. I don't know exactly what he has planned but he has stated the general story is based off season 1, and we're going to be dealing with characters from it and things like that. The day of session 1 the other players and I will know more, but for right now he's being vague about it.
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>>55344301
Joke's on you, I don't even play.
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>>55344850
On a side note, if a druid becomes pregnant while wildshaped, what happens to the fetus/zygote/whatever when the change back?
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>>55344897
>Machiavellian
LE
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>>55344897
Just because something can happen in a certain way doesn't mean it will. It's not worth the risk.
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>>55344897
Found That Guy
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>>55344681
Anon are you...
Are you sharing with us as the game progresses?

Bless you. Keep us posted.
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>>55340869
Screw the topic at hand, why does this city have FIVE QUARTERS
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How do I know if my character's backstory is shit

I always write it then get super self conscious about it
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>>55344681
>magical girl
You mean magical girl(male)?
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>>55344734
None, we're playing ponies.
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>>55344973
Birmingham has seven
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>>55344976
1. Does it give them a reason to be adventuring?
2. Does it give the GM something to tie in later?
3. Does it make you too greatly accomplished or not accomplished enough to be the level your character is starting at?
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>>55344954
>Machiavellians
>serving any interest but their own
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>>55344976
If your character's parents/wife/husband/partner/child gets killed, your backstory is shit
If your character's home town, nation or region gets destroyed, your backstory is shit
If your character is any sort of sole survivor to a religion, region, ideology, clan or group, your backstory is shit
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>>55345016
>cunning, scheming, and unscrupulous, especially in politics or in advancing one's career.
That sounds to me like someone who abuses the rules to help themselves.
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>>55345016
>Taking advantage of the loopholes in the law and abusing a position of power

Sounds lawful evil to me.
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>>55345009
>too greatly accomplished
Daily reminder that a level 1 adventurer could compete in the olympics and win. Just keep your achievements well within mortal means and you should be good.
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>>55344829
Stop it and stop trying to inject your fucking fetishes into games.
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>>55345066
I just mean killing dragons/krakens to save the town and that's why you took the local hero background. Fending off a pack of feral dogs is good enough for level 1.
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>>55345030
As someone who's most recent character was a Barbarian trying to uncover what absolutely destroyed his home village, and who's adventuring motivation was simultaneously to gather information / connections to do so, while also spreading the name of his people so that he could reform the tribe .. ow.

Though I did explicitly give the DM a few NPC's that survived through similar circumstances as he did - simply not being in the village that day; including a long banished brother all assumed to be dead by now.
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>>55345040
>>55345045
Disregard for the law sounds lawful to you? Lawful evil is more the 1984/brazil "the means justify the ends" type.
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I want to make most feats and some class features portable, as in able to be transferred between party members or found as magic items.

Thoughts?
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>>55345070
carrying the child of the man you love is a fetish now I guess
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>>55345094
Abusing the law/taking advantage of weaknesses or loopholes is EXTREMELY different from disregarding the law. The first works within the system, the second does not.
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>>55345094
It's not disregard for the law, it's disregard for the intent of the law. What the law actually says is the most important part. LE is a RAWfag gone too far.
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I made my character's background open for the DM to fill in things to make it interesting. My monk was a doorstep baby in the Monastery
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>>55345094
Disregard for the law if it can gain them power is more neutral evil, chaotic evil is more the slash and burn type

Then again fuck alignments, just play the character
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>>55345102
Be prepared for balance to go to absolutely god damned shit then.
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>>55345030
Nobody gets killed, but I DID use the folk hero backstory thing and was exiled from the hometown as a result of what happened. I can't tell if that's too edgy, though.
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>>55345147
as a DM, I fucking hate that shit. How do you expect me to find your character interesting if you're bored by the prospect of even building his backstory?
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>>55345169
Exiled as a result of what happened in the backstory, that is. I wasn't sure what the GM would've done with it because the game didn't last more than two sessions.
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>>55345181
I want to be fucked over by the GM
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>>55345161
I'm not sure what you're implying. That the players will trade features to optimize?

If they want to slave away over spreadsheets so that the Fighter gives away his Extra Attack or the Wizard is given Cure Wounds, they're welcome to.
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>>55345147
Are you starting your character at age zero? Tell me about something you did or someone you met at the monastery. Did one of the other monks get along/not get along with you in a way that made an impression on your character? Why are you adventuring instead of making wine or making green and yellow peas?
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Now it's literally Cragmaw Castle but with bandit enemies.
At least we didn't fucking kill ourselves
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>>55345112
Spoken with someone with disregard for the law. A lawful person obeys the law even when nobody is looking. If a Machiavellian could break the law and get away with it, by orchestrating an "unfortunate accident", for instance, they absolutely would.

>>55345113
>disregard for the intent of the law
See above. Someone that would murder to get what they want is not lawful.

>RAWfag gone too far
Different way of saying what I've been telling you.


You two need to stop conflating any type of "chaotic" with being stupid and consider how a CE with an int of 16 might maneuver themselves. Your level 1 necromancer is not going to BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD in the middle of town. The "Chaotic Stupid" meme is the result of That Guys and bad writing, not of the lack of principles the CE alignment implies.
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>>55345087
>>55345169
Stop with the edge. Stop using death or loss as the dynamic change that spurns your character to go adventure. Try something else for a dynamic change in your character's lives that spurns them to go out on adventure. Seriously it slays me when "veteran" or "experienced" PCs use the same "my family is dead" backstory to propel their character into action when across the table are brand fucking new players who also use "my family is dead and I want vengeance" shtick. One side of the table tries to weave an elaborate backstory in all earnest seriousness and the other side admits to "lol i just pretended i was reaper from overwatch or sasuke from naruto xD"

You can do better.
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>>55345030
My dwarf druid ran away because he was worried what his dwarven bretherin would think of him if they found out about his "elf powers", is this too edgy
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>>55345202
It's more that you are giving them a muvh higher power level which will be much more inconsistent than a normal game.
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>>55345155
>chaotic evil is more the slash and burn type
No it isn't that's just Stupid Evil.
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>>55344734
I think the Gith are kind of stupid. I want to like them, but it's never clicked for me.
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>>55345219
>Lawful Evil
>Murder a motherfucker
>Use legal loophole to get out of punishment

?
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>>55345030
What if her real mother was killed, but she has an adoptive mother?

Who may or may not have been responsible for the death of her biological mother
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>>55345221
How do you even write a folk hero backstory that isn't edgy?
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>>55345237
Yeah, I play pretty low-level and Material Plane campaigns so I don't really have call to use them that often.
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>>55345221
Not having a family is the only way to avoid getting fucked over by the DM.
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>>55345219
>A lawful person obeys the law even when nobody is looking
You're a fucking retard
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>>55345219
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>>55345258
Just give yourself such a fucking huge and redundant family that he can't possibly fuck you over completely.
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>>55345221
Mr 'I hate fun' over here
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>>55345249
>Good ole' farmer's boy
>Nearby Village you are in selling cabbages gets attacked by goblins
>You take your rake or whatever and beat teh shit out of the most goblins
>Village regards you as a hero
>They literally exaggerate the story more and more every time they tell it
>You killed 3 fucking goblins
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>>55345249
By being an actual folk hero? You know what that is, right?
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>>55345249
Hiro had extreme luck and killed a big bad with a single blow! He then decided that he should put his fortune to good use saving others.
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>>55345239
>Murder
>legal loophole
Bad writing.
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>>55345258
>they doesn't revel in getting fucked over by the DM
Family killed by the DM is room for character growth!
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>>55345221
Also, again, nobody DID die, she's just not allowed to return because she's potentially troublemaking. I still think it might be too edgy, but it's not a violent backstory 'cause my character wasn't a fighter by nature.
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>>55345221
>implying death and loss has to be edgy
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>>55345261
You sure convinced me, champ.
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>>55345281
That's literally the meaning of lawful evil. Stop troll posting now please and go read the Player's Handbook.
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>>55345267
That basically limits you to being a noble, and doesn't prevent the "your family is in big trouble!" adventure that pops up all the time.
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>>55345295
Calling out people for being retarded is more worthwhile than trying helplessly to convince one that they're wrong
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>>55345225
No, unlike these other two "MY BACKGROUND HAS LOSS" fucks yours is unique and original. Congrats on having a creative bone in your body.

>>55345241
A step better than total loss and going on a quest for vengeance or answers

>>55345249
Stop using the 5e handbook to make your character's backstory

>>55345258
Making your background completely un-interactive to the DM is cowardly and makes it harder for you the PC to be invested in the game

>>55345269
Sorry Mr. Edge, go avenge the death of your sensei or master by going on a quest to find the assassins who attacked him and defiled your school of martial arts

>>55345289
It doesn't, but look at the people here who use death and loss as the crux of their backstory
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>>55345265
Please describe how any of that contradicts what I'm saying.
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New thread lads:
>>55345317
>>55345317
>>55345317
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>>55345285
Oh wow, my son is dead! I guess I'll just become a bitter, edgy faggot like the rest of the party.
DMs who think it's okay to just kill everyone's family are awful.
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>>55340762
RagnaBro!
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>>55345307
>A step better than total loss and going on a quest for vengeance or answers
Cool cool. She actually believes adoptive mother saved her life and doesn't know the truth, so she basically worships her as almost a deific figure. Her reasons for adventuring are as simple as her mother, a witch, sending her out to do things in [mother's] name and build renown for her mother.

Basically just a tool.
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>>55345307
How is wanting to avoid edgy drama cowardly?
I just don't want to have a family I barely intereact with get murdered for shock value or in order to get us involved in something.
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>>55345319
Too early retard.
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>>55345221
Makes me kind of raise an eyebrow. One can have 'my family is dead' without it being an angsty tale, and its quite a different thing than adopting shounen tropes and vidya characters. Personally I adopted it since I felt like it worked as a fairly solid justification for why an outlander tribal character would venture out and join an established organization that the DM used as the central plot hook to bring us together. The "Oh no my family is dead!" was never a central element, and it was never an angst point. Character wanted glory, blood shed, and to rebuild (which is why there being surviving members and banished characters was a major highlight in his backstory). Yes he wanted vengeance, but it wasn't an 8th dimensional tavern kind of thing.

I won't deny that its trope-y, but I don't think that that's necessarily a bad thing. I would counter - if these things are major warning signs, how does one handle them *right*?
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>>55345232
I'm not understanding how this would so significantly affects the party's power level.

It's not as if they'll be gaining access to higher level class features or suddenly find the Feats section in a chest.
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>>55345305
No, it's an outburst of impudent rage when you can't back your position with sound reasoning.

I'll make this simple for you:

CE with 8 int: "muh dick"
CE with 16 int: "Chaos is a ladder"
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>>55345315
The machiavellian doesn't believe in a ruthless meritocracy with little or no structure. He believes in an abusable ordered society that serves his interests.
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>>55345215
Nothing but women bandits?
I don't get it.

As for "literally Cragmaw Castle", it's common for DMs to just swipe maps from existing modules if they fit what they're building. Not everyone is a good cartographer/dungeon designer.
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>>55345364
>show littlefinger as anything other than bad writing for the last 2-3 seasons
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>>55345362
Free feats and class features is way better than the already potenitally unbalancing magic items, and eill probably lead to a lack of balance internally and externally.
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>>55345344
I guess it depends on the DM. If the DM ropes the PC's family in for literal shock value instead of trying to engage your character in the exploration of novel facets of your character, then yeah fuck that DM. That's being a bad storyteller.

>>55345358
I mean, you do you. There's nothing really wrong with touching up on tropes. Everyone does it of course, and if you can admit to it like you're doing now and if that's fine with you then go for it. I made a ranger that was basically Leon the Professional, and that was fun because he was full cheese and the setting of the campaign he was in was more humorous.

But on the other hand I have friends who create literal Sasukes from Naruto or other intensely angsty characters, and they genuinely believe they should look into professional authorship because they think it's good storytelling...
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>>55345372
Yes, I used the wrong word, but I really wish to express that WoTC's definition of CE is poorly considered and robs a character of any intelligence and agency that they may possess by assuming that they forgo any and all long strategy in favor of "bix nood muhfugg".

>>55345409
>s1 quote
Your point?
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>>55345455
*long term strategy
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>>55345552
vital, desu
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>>55344301
>Argue about rules
Not arguing but discussing unclear rules with my DM while other players are sitting around is still annoying I guess.
>Narrates what other players are doing
I'm not sure if I do this or not. One time our druid wanted to wildshape but didn't know which animal to choose. She said Horse but I suggested Cat and all the other players agreed with me so she did it. Cat turned out to work very well for the situation but I still felt kinda like I should have just not said anything and let her do her own plan.

So at most I would say i'm a 2. That's good, right?
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>>55345867

It sucks whenever another player really doesn't seem to understand how to use one of his spells effectively but you're playing a rogue so your character wouldn't know shit about how magic works
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>>55345959
Monk on my game managed to reach level 4 but didn't have a clue he had features from Way of the Open Hand from 3rd level.
Reason: it wasn't on the same page of the PDF.
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>>55344301
I'd say I qualify for..
"The five of us..", I really like splitting the party and suggest it unironically a lot.
"Only looks up fro.." We have a big group, I have honestly started playing Darkest Dungeon through a combat heavy session.
"Narrates what other pla.." When a crit or something stupid happens usually we all have something amusing throw in.
"Does things his character would nev.." I'm sure I've done something like this at some point.

"Insists he is the party leader.." The biggest contender was when we managed to find a Dragon Egg that the Deep-Dwarves had paid us to track down for them. No one would listen to my points of "We already have the Drow hunting us like dogs and the Deurgar offered to waylay them, do you want TWO armies after us when we could have ZERO?" But the other character was like "But guuuys, Pet Dragon!" Rustled my Jimmies a little, especially since the egg was a "Hatches in 8 months, end of the world is in 6 so you get it for the epilogue."

"Creates a Chaoti.." Yeah, We're doing an Underdark campaign at the moment and the group is mostly made up of good characters but I rolled a LE bugbear as the Straight-man/Quatermaster. He stuck with the group because he had no better options to get back to the surface. Most "Evil" he practiced was to the note of "Why should we help them, they ain't got money to pay us or anything of use so why is it our problem? Leave em to rot and move on.. Ugh, fine whatever.".Eventually he died grappling a Medusa, luckily the GM didn't read Petrified condition well enough because all the party treasure was being carried by my character about 10,000 in gold, treasure and gems because everyone else was a 8STR Minmax.

Although our THATGUY hits about 21/25.. He also once got through 5 characters in 6 sessions due to "Ehh, I didn't enjoy that character, here is my new character!", every character he plays has a WoW name, Gazlow, Garrosh and is either WoW Gnome voice, or WoW Dwarf Voice, even in Dark Heresy.
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>>55345009
Number 3 is pretty important and often neglected.

In a Not-Japan campaign setting.
"I'm a Sorcerer who is travelling from my shrine-temple sisterhood to find my place in this world."
"I'm a Cleric who is on a quest to find an wizards magical sword."
"I'm a Fighter samurai who wants to help people!"
"Well uhh, considering we are level 16 characters, my character is a Ruffian who was humbled and then studied under a reknowned elven monk. After he spent decades training and wandering the country to becoming a master of his discipline, surpassing his teacher and challenging other monk-temples to instill his name into legend and become acknowledged as the grandmaster in both his martial art and the disciplined serenity of his teachings."

"Dude lol you can't be like a grandmaster monk legendary all over the country we only just made these characters."
"Why not? At level 16 the only higher leveled cleric in the world is most likely the Emperors high priest, what have your guys been doing for the last 15 levels?"
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>>55345009
>Your backstory covers all of these, yet your DM does nothing with it

why even try sometimes?
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>>55345273
I had two folk hero characters.

One a Bugbear Ranger.

Lived amoungst a tribe of goblins, pretty easy stuff, just hunted from time to time, only other bugbears around were the chief and his two buddies. Liked to keep to himself and his pet wolf, occasionally went out hunting, nothing fancy.

Tribe is attacked by a dozen or so soldiers raised by a local knight barking orders looking to put an end to the tribe, isn't going well for gobbos. Ranger comes back to find the battle in full swing. Manages to get a jump on the knight from behind and stabs him in the throat for those delicious bugbear sneak attack damages and kills him. Soldiers break morale and flee and the tribe lives on. Ranger gets lots of credit and adoration for "Saving" them, and is given the name Throatsplitter. Of course since he was only known as a "Hero" by goblins the only time it came up in game was when talking to some Goblin NPC's they noted "Oh man, you've got the name Throatsplitter huh? You must be serious business better make a note to not get in your bad side.". Nothing else really came of it but it's a background feature they rarely get used anyway.

Other was a Dwarven Barbarian.

Part of a group of dwarven soldiers who were sent to help out a dwarven mining village the swamplands, some monster was causing trouble and they were sent to take it out. Turned out to be a Frogemoth and ol' Boshrick was swallowed whole quick into the fight. While it took the entire groups experience and effort to take down the beast the story of Boshrick screaming as he frantically burst out of the creatures gullet with his sword was one that got passed around the taverns for a good long while.
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