What system would you use to run a game in the Dresden Codak universe?

>>55332755
It's gotta be something REALLY smug and hypocritical, to capture the feel of it.

FATE/Atomic Robo

>>55332772
Where did Aaron Diaz touch you?

>>55333129
>implying Diaz has been able to touch anyone

>>55333174
He touches himself with all the money his euphoric beta orbiters hand him.

>>55332755
This is the first time I've heard of it and I already hate it.

>>55332755
The One Ring but all the elves and dwarves are black women.

Eclipse Phase

>>55333407
This. No kidding.

>>55333187
I've been reading it for ages and I do actually enjoy it a bit but all the flaws that are pointed out with it are correct, and the author is a smarmy cunt.

>>55333187
>I judge entire texts based on a crop of nine panels I've seen on 4chan!
It's a shitty comic, make no mistake, but this attitude really isn't one you should flaunt. First actually read something, THEN decry it as shit.

Aaron Diaz desperately needs to be punched in the face.

>>55332755
Dungeons & Discourse, obviously.

>>55333129
>>55334059
I only know Aron Diaz from that one time he got BTFO by Mary Cagle and his subsequent hissy fit.

>>55334154
He also said that Will Eisner is only famous because of white privilege, while pretending that his Cuban grandma means that he's an oppressed monitory.

>>55332755
I don't really know anything about this comic, but this shit is great
Is the entire comic like this? If it is I might have to give it a read

>>55334327
It's... very much its own thing. And it's very "love it or hate it". Most of /tg/ feels obliged to hate it because the artist is an obnoxious SJW and the law says if you don't hate anything made by SJW you are a cuck and that's awful, but if you're willing to look past that there's about a 50% chance you'll be charmed.

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This is the only good thing Aaron Diaz has ever done.

>>55334327
>>55334384
Goddamnit, meant to post >>55334424

>>55334384

So we're not allowed to hate it because it's half assed, the trend following, Aaron Diaz's "redesigns" that show show he barely has a surface level understanding of the characters in question, and lastly Diaz's self-rightous hypocrisy?

>>55334511
Of course you are, but that's not why most of /tg/ hates it. Read this very thread. Literally the majority of complaints were centered solely on Aaron Diaz. The fuck do you give about the politics of the person making a comic? If it's bad, hate it for being bad.

>>55334384
That's hardly his main problem. He touches all the bases of shitty webcomics artists

>chronically late, to the point where it's generous to still call him an artist
>sells merch for a comic that essentially doesn't exist anymore. Much more effort goes into the merch than into the comic it's based on
>eternally thinks that he's smarter than he really is. This manifests in a lot of different ways, but the funniest way is in how he thinks he invented gender-swapped characters. He wrote an unsolicited pitch to Nintendo for a gender-swapped Zelda game, and was convinced that Nintendo stole his idea when they did a gender-swapped Link in Hyrule Warriors.
>As Anon mentioned, wants to be praised just for being 1/4 hispanic, and also wants to be praised for weeb cyborg fetish shit because it involves a female character

>>55334648
I fully agree that Diaz is a shitty person. In fact, I also think that his comic isn't very good. All I'm asking is that people who criticize the comic focus on it, rather than confusing the two. I ask the same of people who criticize books, films or video games based on the shittiness of their creators rather than the product itself.

>>55332755

I dunno, what homebrew has the dm designed to make his DMPC untouchable this week?

>>55334125
Came here to post this

>>55334711

Yes you're both very clever and we're all proud of you. Now be honest- even that comic was him just smuggly jacking off to how clever he is, wasn't it?

>>55332755
I'm developing one, but it's not quite finished, each splat will take roughly 5 years to release and I'll stop making any if anyone makes fun of me on Twitter

>>55334785
Onyx Path developers?

>>55334785

Lets be honest. He also stops if you ask for an ETA.

>>55334785
You have a patreon I can donate to?

>>55334672
Why? His identity isn't a secret. To separate him from his work is an act of bad faith because he is not separate from his work and we all know it.

>>55334882
Would you retroactively stop liking your favorite book if you suddenly found out the writer is a Scientologist or something? If it has nothing to do with the work, it has nothing to do with the work. Even if it's highly political, treat it as being itself highly political, not by relation to its writer.

>>55334946
Of course I would. Anything else would be an act of apologetics for whatever awful thing the author did.

>>55334769
Like 99% of what he makes. Honestly, his arts style is the only reason I've ever bothered, outside of the caveman comic.

>>55335003
No, it'd be representative of a childish inability to separate different ideas. Just like you don't judge someone's arguments based on who they are (that's literally the first fallacy they teach you how not to make in debate courses), you don't judge someone's work based on who they are. And to retroactively stop liking something because you discovered something new about the person who made it is downright absurd (unless you only liked it before because of who made it, in which case you might be missing the point of literature entirely).

>>55334648
And only 1 is about the comic itself.

>>55335003
Seriously nigger? Hitler made some nice paintings, but liking them doesn't mean you liked the way he ran the country

>>55335049
A work of art is not the same thing as a sound argument. There's nothing objective about it that gives it value independently of where it came from. It's purely a matter of tastes, and your tastes say a lot about you, including your politics and what kinds of shit you do and don't consider to be crimes. Tastes can and should be cultivated to place yourself correctly within your culture.

>>55335063
His paintings were shit, which is why he couldn't get into art school. But even if they'd been technically brilliant, anyone who liked them would be endorsing genocide and you know it.

>>55335049

I don't know, is that entirely fair?

I mean, I used to like the webcomic Looking for Group back about... gee, 7-8 years ago. Hadn't heard of Ryan Sohmer's reputation or anything, I was just playing WoW at the time and enjoyed the comic. Anyways I find out he's going to be at the local anime convention. Obviously he wasn't the reason I went, but thought it would be cool to go the booth, maybe get a signed poster. Long story short, he was a jackass, and treated me like I was't worth his time, despite spending money at his booth so he and the artist could sign a poster.

I realize that an artist doesn't actual owe their fans anything, but in the case of people like Sohmer and Diaz their behavior effects their professional work and it's fair to judge their work by that behavior.

Five different systems that we'll switch between whenever anyone feels like it, all splatbooks allowed but only on hours that end in a 0 or 2 and only on everything 13th page.
All dice rolls must be taken in the ceiling lampshade, only dice that fall back out onto the table are valid.

>>55335023

I dislike that one because he's smuggly jacking off to his own misunderstanding of Science fiction. It's amusing until you realize he's trying to make a statement. Then it's just sad

>>55332755
FATE or Amber Diceless.

>>55336658
It sounds like you're doing a No True Scotsman on science fiction. Plenty of science fiction stories are about some speculative technology causing horrible problems and therefore have sort of a Luddite tone. This is not only to exploit readers' existing prejudices and comfort zones, but also because science fiction is still fiction and you need conflict and problems to have a good story. Techno-utopian ramblings don't make for a coherent narrative, as Dresden Codak accidentally shows.

>>55336896

It sounds like you didn't read enough of those to get the actual theme: we should strive for this, but be cautious. A lot of azimov was about robots causing problems, but he believed they were inevitable and could be useful if we used hem right

>>55332755
>>55332772
So, 5eD&D?

>>55335387
>anyone who liked them would be endorsing genocide and you know it.
What? No, of course no. How even? You keep saying those things unironically that I literally cannot imagine - as in, I cannot even conceive of a way, and I'm seriously trying here - anyone saying and meaning. You are running on Wonderland-tier logic by this point.

>>55337179
Which was revolutionary back in the day, because people's expectation from any story about robots was that it would be a very simple warning tale about making robots. Obviously, Diaz doesn't think ALL science fiction is like that since he himself writes transhumanist fiction that is the completely opposite basically by definition. He's simply poking fun at the fact that A LOT of science fiction, particularly early on, had an ironically anti-progress message and a somewhat fetishistic focus on the idea that any attempt to change the scientific status quo must end in disaster.

>>55338725
Nah, GURPS or Dungeonworld.

>>55334648
Let's not forget how he modelled his female character after his at-the-time girlfriend

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>>55335387
>But even if they'd been technically brilliant, anyone who liked them would be endorsing genocide and you know it.

Damn some a well earned (You), don't spend it all in one place!

>>55339863
Oh god, really? That's beyond Ed Greenwood levels of creepy.

>>55340080
There's a great bit of parody art about Daiz with him prancing about making excuses for his nonsense right down to making sure his fictional waifu is shaved, it breaks my heart that I can't find it a few years later.

>>55339436
Who is it that you like, Anon? Who is making you do these mental gymnastics so that you can tell yourself that it's okay to like his work even though he's a terrible human being? Who did you sell your soul to because it was easier than changing your comfortable habits? Is it Diaz? Or maybe it's Orson Scott Card. Fuck, I hope it's not L. Ron Hubbard.

>>55340180
I don't know why you're assuming any of that, I just really can't see how an adult person who doesn't have some kind of actual, no-joke issue would unironically think it makes sense to RETROACTIVELY stop liking something because you found out you actually disagree with the creator's politics or something. Like, I'd even get it if you said you did that if you knew them beforehand. That's legit. People can't always be logical, we're emotional beings, sometimes you hate someone so much it clouds your judgement and you're doomed to hate everything they do on principle. But in retrospect? That implies you actually think there's a connection there. It boggles the mind. I literally don't know how to respond to you. It's like talking to a Martian. It's not anything I can recognize as the human conception of "logic".

>>55334769
weren't there two or three comics of them playing it? also, an honest attempt to crunch-up philosophy based classes and powers in an RPG strikes me as terribly amusing

>>55334627
I'm not sure how anyone can hate since updates so slowly I'm amazed anyone remembers it exists. A lot of it is disjointed and smacks of a need to prove that masters in philosophy wasn't a waste of time. Art is nice though, and the comics with the two gentlemen on the moon are pretty funny.

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>>55340122
You just need to know what you're looking for.

Link since I don't want a three day vacation:

http://shawnstruck.blogspot.com/2014/08/open-letter-to-aaron-diaz-stop-hiding.html

>>55340080
Greenwood did what?

>>55336896
I think it's worth noting that the luddites weren't wrong.

They were textile workers who were replaced by early automation, and pissed about it. They were essentially decently-paid skilled workers losing their jobs to machinery operated by child labor at a fraction of the cost. Automation of the production of basic fabrics has benefited society overall, sure, but it fucked over the people who used to do it the old way. Society may no longer have any use for a hand-loom weaver, but that's no comfort for people who'd been hand-loom weaving for 25 years and have no other marketable skills.

Luddites were not primitivists, they were deposed workers with a legitimate personal grievance towards their former employers, in a time when it wasn't terribly unusual to call in the army to put down a worker's protest. And who then had the army called in to put them down.

Technological progress is necessary, at this point for even basic human survival; the world today is ridiculously unsustainable. Automation of jobs brings prosperity in general, but it's not without a human cost, and it's not so fun if you're the one getting shat on, as perhaps a majority of workers in most industries are about to find out. Hopefully we all end up in Star Trek and not some dystopia where only a small fraction of the population is actually needed for anything productive, and the rest just live on scraps handed out by corporate aristocrats in some kind of bizarre techno-feudalism. Like, good luck trying to make it in art when you're competing against billions of other NEETs on future deviantart. Though bizarrely, there does seem to be a market for furry art no matter how terrible you are at it.

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>>55334225
I remember when that happened. It was hilarious.

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>>55340723
Oh wow I forgot it was Daiz that decided to make it all about him, you're a star Anon a real star.

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>>55340723
>he got salty and made an angry response to it

>>55332755
Is there a system that changes plot hooks according to the author's developing fetishes?

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>>55340997
He's fucking ginger and lecturing others on white privilege?

>>55333185
>He touches himself with all the money his euphoric beta orbiters hand him.
90% of his patreon money comes from his own rich father who is ashamed of him but has to keep appereances.

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>>55340723
>>55340999
>>55341002

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>>55334627
>The fuck do you give about the politics of the person making a comic?
When those politics include taking a decade to update a single page because you think youself too genious and important to work and are depressed that marxism hasn't taken over the world and given you the cyborg waifu you desserve, it becomes sensible to hate an author for their politics.

>>55334946
>Would you retroactively stop liking your favorite book if you suddenly found out the writer is a Scientologist or something? If it has nothing to do with the work, it has nothing to do with the work.
If he stopped writing because of his cult, I would.
It's why my sister dropped Anne Rice.

The system should do stuff like make you roll for damage before rolling to see if you hit or not, in order to simulate his atrocious paneling.

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>>55334424
Some of the other one-shots were fun too. Plot strips are the worst part.

>pic related
>the darwin one
>third-act twists

>>55340312
There was actually a pretty thorough and I daresay not bad attempt at making a real Dungeons & Discourse inspired by the comic. There used to be a wiki dedicated to it with setting information and rules and classes but for some tragic reason I can't seem to find it right now.

>>55340997
Wait, Eisner's Jewish. He still counts as a member of a minority by most accounts. Is it okay for tumblerites to shittalk him now? Doesn't that make you an antisemite?

>>55341470
>the panels actually switch from left-to-right to right-to-left and then back again.
This is something I'd expect on a bored doodle.

>>55341470
Even back then you can see his love of amazing butts fighting to get out in the bottom left. If only he was self-aware he'd be a treasure instead of a curiosity.

>>55341494
You're behind, hating Jews is cool now, you just need to say you hate Israel and say something about Palestinian self-expression.

>>55341603
>nationalism is bad
>but Palestinians should have their own country
>but Israel shouldn't exist
>and god forbid there exist any place in the world where any sort of white people are a majority.

I have a difficult time understanding this logic.

>>55341693
>logic
That's the problem.

>>55341603
>>55341693
It really warms the heart that the far right and far left can both forget their differences and come together when it comes to hating Jews.

>>55339501

So he's makig fun of a concept that hasn't been common for 80 years? Good for him. How brave. Im sure he's noticed lotr has some pacing issues, too.

>>55342006
>Im sure he's noticed lotr has some pacing issues, too.
It's lack of diversity is more problematic.

>>55342006
>a concept that hasn't been common for 80 years
You really should watch more science fiction. And I'm specifically using "watch" because, that being an anti-intellectualist statement that by its nature has less appeal to the more intellectual crowd that READS science fiction today, you tend to see it more often in films. You really just have to point at a science fiction film that came out in the recent years from anywhere but Disney and there's a not bad chance it'd somehow blame science for bad stuff. That godawful Johnny Depp movie Transcendence comes to mind, but that's just because of how unsubtle about it it was. From last year alone, you got Planet of the Apes, the new Alien films (with their longstanding obsession with making scientists into cackling maniacs obsessed with meddling with shit beyond their ken), Life... and that's just off the top of my head.

It's certainly not a trend that disappeared with black and white television.

>>55334769
seeing as it lacked a fundamental understanding of ANY of the philosophers or their ideas he namedropped, yeah, it's just him jacking off for being able to quote wikipedia.

>>55341229

Jojo?

>>55342106
>Planet of the Apes
Which mind you, gets a double score because the original films were actually NOT anti-science in a period where it was more popular. The new ones, especially the first (Rise of the Planet of the Apes) almost feels like it takes some kind of delight in showing scientists (and the current Satan of the trend, businessmen financing scientists) as ruthless megalomaniacs whose dangerous, dangerous experiments with medicine (not to mention the potential to increase human intelligence, something that always terrifies people) create a humanity wiping pandemic and uplift all the chimpanzees.

>>55342006
>So he's makig fun of a concept that hasn't been common for 80 years? Good for him. How brave.
In case you haven't noticed, that's SJWs 101. They complain about 1960's gender politics, 1970's comic books, 1980's race relations, 1990's video-game tropes and 2000's cinema like it was all being followed like dogma today despite nobody giving a damn.

If they actually criticized contemporary injustice they might actually have to deal with confrontation and the fact that most injustices today are consequence of Clinton's presidency.

>>55336658
>>55337179
>>55342006
Holy shit, you're fucking retard. The point of the comic is two fold:
1- the way that cautionary tales are told in sci fi is way too often unimaginative and trite, and the heel turn is often for no reason beyond the author thinking 'x' is unnatural and shouldn't be allowed
2- The world is way too complex for us to be able to predict what will actually be the effects of developing new technologies. To use the comic, while shitting in holes might cause problems of some kind, those problems do not include the shit landing on your head.

The whole point of the comic is that self righteous morons (like yourself) can't begin to predict the effects of new technological developments, so writing stories of this type is just scaremongering to profit off the new and poorly understood

>>55340760
Nothing much.
The Seven Sisters in the Forgotten Realms stories all very much feel like waifus in a way we're not comfortable with these days, and he had this odd habit of having them all end up nude. None of this makes it into the setting itself, (other than the ridiculous bdsm bullshit of the drow, but even Greenwood himself has said that crap was all Salvatore's fault.)
In the end, it's mainly the fact that he's vaguely sex-positive, and /tg/'s salty about never being able to get laid so we're only okay with sex when it involves nude chicks drawn by Asians.

>>55342106

You mean space dramas? Those aren't really science fiction, and if that's what he's responding to...m well, gotta question his berd cred.

Also, give me anrecent example. Even I, Robot had the robots be ultimately good, with one exception.

>>55341504
Welcome to Aaron Diaz's approach to panel layout. His webcomic is somehow even worse.

I like Dresden Codak. It's the sort of pseudo-intellectual references and clever ideas which I really enjoy.

His plot.... really.... drags... and I think I liked his one-shots better. But it's hard to keep the clever juices flowing. If he could stop treating his plot like a job and interspace some clever one-shots into the mix, I think it'd be all the better for it.

>>55341327
Yeah, dude just needed to admit that he likes tits. Whiny feminist "all representations of women drawn by men are in MALE-GAZEY way" is fucking dumb. But she has a point of trying to uplift others.

>>55344163
Yeah it was good when he was mucking around with one shots, random ideas and jokes.

Now he's trying to treat his characters seriously and make deep and serious plots which isn't working because Kim is the worst character in the comic.

Remember the time she bashed an unaware old man in the back of the head with a rock so she could save the Singularity or something?

>>55344271
>Now he's trying to treat his characters seriously and make deep and serious plots which isn't working

Well it's not AS good.

>because Kim is the worst character in the comic.

Meh. A bit of a mary sue, but whatever. The "mysterious past" is overplayed.


>Remember the time she bashed an unaware old man in the back of the head with a rock so she could save the Singularity or something?
Whatever. Like I give a fuck. Wait... did you mean worst as in morals? Pffffft, go home kid.

>>55333129
Dresden Codak is really pretentious, though.

I mean, it can still be a decent read, but it is SUPER fucking pretentious.

>>55332755
Savage Worlds

>>55334154
Link?

>>55344630
See >>55340723. Also, >>55341305 and >>55341327.

>>55340804
>Though bizarrely, there does seem to be a market for furry art no matter how terrible you are at it.
Truly, we live in hell.

>>55340804
>anded out by corporate aristocrats in some kind of bizarre techno-feudalism

I already see elements of new feudalism in our society, certainly in the way our elected officials are meant to be our leaders but still have to answer to the companies that influence and control them. Instead of Kings and Nobles we have Presidents and Boards of Directors though, so at least the power is spread out a bit more. Definitely moving strong towards Plutocracy

>>55339592
>GURPS
An actually good system that requires a modicum of brain power and insults people who are legitimately either retarded or suffer from D&D caused brain rot.
>DW
Perfect actually. I'd say a homebrew of 5eD&D (dat retard normie appeal) and DW for the retarded smugness.

>>55333407
/thread

>>55339863
He wasn't dating Ashley Burch, was he?

Okay so I gather the guy who made this is a retarded asshole, but can someone give me a run down on the comic itself? Any particularly novel concepts (shitty writing notwithstanding) or is this just average sci-fi shit.?

>>55332755
I wouldn't cause it's shit.

>>55341470
This is a near constant with his comics, the page layout is always off kilter and difficult to read as its liable to change without much thought for how your supposed to read it. Left to Right, Top to bottom should be a simple thing to understand for page layout. Why change it without some sort of reason behind it?

>>55347329
It reminded me of Bioshock, but less directly political and more philosophical, if it makes sense. Drops some anvils about the "right" approach to knowledge and science, and really, really, really jacks off to transhumanism and lesbians, but the art is nice.

>>55347329
It's less politically charged than some of his one shots, but because it drags on for soooooo long there's more time for the main characters to pick up a lot of really grating Mary Sue qualities. Nobody minded Kim back in the one shot period because she was like Gabe and Tycho, she was practically a face for funny things to happen to. She wasn't particularly smarter or more special than anyone around her, and she was the butt of jokes as often as not. Now she's a female transhumanist Eragon, basically.

>>55339863

He wasn't dating her. Just obsessing over her.
I'm fairly certain Ashley Burch (whose brother is known for...other works) is a lesbian.

>>55348360
Shadman? or wahtever the spelling is? girls with retarded faces and dicks?

If true, that means someone was molesting him and his sister hard.

>>55348360
>>55348620
Anthony Burche is mostly in/famous for being the source of the "cuck" meme. His most notable actual work was probably Borderlands 2, but that's really small tits compared to the personal drama that he got himself involved in.

>>55347156
No, he just had a really creepy fixation on her.

I just read that comic.
Was expecting much worse, but other that unexpected lesbian and overthinked lines it was not that bad.

Lots of plotholes and stupid decisions.....but I dont expect logic from feminist cuck.

>>55348360
>>55349225
This. At the time, Ash was kind of an anthropomorphic representation of the "gamer girl" archetype and the darling of all the proto-SJW virtue signallers back in 2008 that absolutely had to make sure you knew how cool it was that girls could be gamers, too.

Unsurprisingly, Diaz waifu'd her, hard, and it was right around the time that she got really, inexplicably popular that Kimiko started to resemble her.

>>55339863
>>55340080
>>55348360
>>55349225
>>55349450
Is that some Reddit / Normalfag meme where making characters that you find sexually appealing is creepy now because of the leftist form of sexual repression (men having sexual desires is creepy like in these animes, go date a fat chick otherwise you are misogynistic) or there is something I don't get?

>>55340804
>legitimate personal grievance towards their former employers

That hinges entirely on how one defines legitimate. I'd say no, they had no legitimate grievance, no more than the button makers who protested tailors figuring out how to just make cloth buttons and thus putting them out of business and then got the government to ban cloth buttons as destructive and subversive.

None of what you said about sustainability is even true, either, and really all of this hinges on presupposing your view of what someone is entitled to is correct. Yet the problem is, there is really no way to GET to your conclusions, you just HAVE them, because if you attempted to argue logically, you'd end up in opposition to basically every point you've brought up.

To say nothing of the fact that the issue today has nothing to do with 'corporate aristorcracts' because of technological advancement so much as it is because governments have become runaway powerful. It used to be the aristocrats were the check on government power and that's why the government weaponized the mob against them.

It hasn't gone well for mankind.

I don't want to end up in Star Trek, a stale, stagnant place that would be. Star Trek is a dystopia masquerading as a utopia.

>>55344384
I'm not saying you're a bad person who shouldn't be trusted on most anything, let alone taste or morals, if you like Dresden Codek, but that is actually exactly what I'm saying, get the fuck out.

>>55349710
>I don't want to end up in Star Trek, a stale, stagnant place that would be. Star Trek is a dystopia masquerading as a utopia.

What?

>>55334424
And it's good because it makes fun of clichés, but reading the rest of Diaz's work you get the impression he genuinely sees no value in cautionary tales about technology. Because muh singularity and muh enlightenment can never be wrong.

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>>55349643

It's not that they found the look attractive, it's that they made it look like a specific person you are obsessed with.

It sorta gives it stalker-ish vibes with zero self awareness. I can't have you, so I'll make a version of you that can be mine all while I talk about how I'm not like Those Other Guys.

>>55349745
It looks like he thinks the end of feudalism was right and that muh Big Gov is the source of all problems today.
He's just an anarkiddie.

>>55349745
Everything is rationed, the government has supreme authority over every element of its citizens lives and they have no compunction about stripping you of your personal autonomy to advance the interests of the state.

And I'm not even just talking about the late-TNG clusterfuck that was the Maquis, when the Federation decided to forcibly relocate its own citizens who had been living on their respective planets for generations; "Data isn't a real person and should be treated as the Federation's property, even though the Federation has no plausible claim to Noonian Soong's work," was a recurring motif while Roddenberry was still running the show.

>>55349919
>Everything is rationed,

They are literally post scarcity. Nobody is wanting for anything.

>the government has supreme authority over every element of its citizens lives

No they don't.

>and they have no compunction about stripping you of your personal autonomy to advance the interests of the state.

Yes they do.

>>55349919

>"Data isn't a real person and should be treated as the Federation's property, even though the Federation has no plausible claim to Noonian Soong's work,"

You mean the legal case that Data won and proved he had human rights and the federation accepted it?

>>55343123
>>55340760
Ed Greenwood's self insert is Elminster, the biggest dick wizard in the Forgotten Realms. Elminster has been a woman, fucked the goddess of magic, has banged most if not all of the seven sisters, and basically wanders around getting more pussy than a cat catcher

>>55349978
It shouldn't have even been a debate.

>>55349915
I know, having a consistent moral and ethical framework is very unfashionable, aint it?

Sorry, maybe I should be more like you then.

>>55349745
Whenever people in Star Trek engage in recreation, what is what they do mostly? They indulge in the past, in adventures on the Holodeck about times long past.

They've become stagnant.

>>55350019

Why would it not be a debate? You need a precedent to establish...basically anything. The question of 'At what point a clever machine becomes a person' is an important one.

>>55350035
Whenever people in the real world engage in recreation, what is it they do mostly? They indulge in fanciful stories about the past, in videogames about fantasy worlds that never were. They've become stagnant

>>55349978
Lame faux-courtroom drama notwithstanding, it clearly shows where the Federation's priorities are. They went back to that well like three times over the course of the series, and that's not even counting the racist doctor who wouldn't even call Data by his proper name in season two.

>>55332755
I wouldn't, because it's a shit comic made by a shit artist. Also, the way pseudo-intellectuals have fetishized transhumanism has made it incredibly cringeworthy.

>muh singularity
>muh live forever as a computer
>s-shut up luddite
>I won't die alone as a virgin if my mind gets uploaded to the cloud

>>55350035

Considering the defining trait of the federation over it's nearby allies is it's rapid adaption and constant advancement that keeps them ahead technologically, stagnation is not a phrase I'd use to describe them.

>>55350058
>he said in an argument about Star Trek, a popular recreational show about the future

>>55350035

I think that's more the nature of it being a TV show. You generally want stuff the audience can recognise.

>>55350095
>he said on 4chan, a popular taiwanese lady boy ASMR mp3 forum

>>55350035
>>55350110
Actually it's a nature of BUDGET.

Holodeck episodes literally existed to allow the studio to re-use costumes from other productions. They were basically filler.

>>55350024
People can have a consistent moral and ethical framework without being an anarkiddie y'know.
I'm tired of anarkidies and neo-facsists pretending people dislike their ideologies just because they fear strong convictions and not because they just find them retarded.
So what? a framework being consistent is the bare-minimum, it's still don't give it a lot of value.

>>55350058
But that's wrong. We have a massive diversity of media both in the past and future, and present, in fantasy worlds that never aren't which is actually EXTREMELY different than just looking at the past.

>>55350136
>People can have a consistent moral and ethical framework without being an anarkiddie y'know.

Theoretically, I haven't seen many though. I'm 100% certain you don't.

I know you find it retarded, because it calls you out on your bullshit and the only way to avoid that is to think it's somehow stupid to avoid the pain of cognitive dissonance.

>>55350135

That too. By it being an intentionally artificial environment, basically all 'That doesn't look right' can be handwaved away with 'It's only as good as the coder made it' and they can use whatever costumes they want.

Except tights. Because Patrick Stewart about season 2 declared he never wanted to wear tights again in his life.

>>55350167
It's less about the low prop quality and more about being able to recycle things. Like, if the studio just finished filming an episode of a completely different series about Robin Hood and just dumped a bunch of green tunics and swords out in the parking lot, they can grab those and fill an episode slot with a Robin Hood themed holodeck story.

>>55334627
>but that's not why most of /the/ hates it

Pretty sure it is.

>>55332755

I'd only have sessions every couple of months while asking people for money to help my inspiration.

Then I'd alternate between attempting to be funny and being completely serious while referencing christian mythology and wholesale ripping off Blade Runner.

Then, eight months and two sessions in, lose my notes and make one NPC a lesbian, have the other NPC betray them, and then drop a high powered villain on them to do a reset while I figure out where we go from here.

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>>55350190

>Robin Hood
>Holodeck episode

Well, how primitive and uninspired

>>55332772
>/thread

>>55333483
If a comic can't catch your interest with nine panels, it's a shit comic.

All I know about this comic is that it has some of the most atrocious panel work i have ever seen.

>People think Borderlands 2 had bad writing

/v/ermin think such strange things

>>55350456

Are you a /v/ermin?

>>55350590
Go away, Anthony, no one wants you here.

>>55350707

Ah, the /v/ermin shows itself.

You can tell the scum by its willingness to throw insults but fear of evidence.

>>55350722
Seriously, fuck off Anthony, and tell Randy he's a cunt too. I hope your shitty company dies from your incompetence and shitty business practices.

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>>55334424
I'm kind of fond of this when. It's also kind of funny considering he'd later put his favorite characters in superhero cosplay and do video game "re-construction" art.

>>55332755
What I'd do is I'd take a gun - make sure it's loaded - then place the barrel against my temple and pull the trigger.

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>>55350590
Most of Borderlands 2 writing is mediocre at best. Handsome Jack was fun, though. Some of the smaller side characters were decent for what they were also, like Zedd and Marcus.

>>55352466
Hah, forgot to switch off the safety.

>>55341693
We should've listened to the Germans after Nuremberg: when the idea of a Jewish homeland came up, many did a public vote that was in favor of carving it out of Germany.
Would've been better than the shit they got handed after WW1.
But the Zionists won that fight, and Britain went "hey, you know that colony we abandoned? The Jews can settle there, where the Arabs will kill them".

>>55353655
>But the Zionists won that fight
Even that's more complicated than that (because of course it is). The Zionists were largely by themselves a secular movement and would've been okay with almost any kind of land grant (they've been okay with Uganda, Alaska, Siberia, and IIRC a supremely shitty bit of Poland), but they needed the support of the Jewish majority for some incredibly convoluted political reason. Most Jews back then were religious, and they wouldn't agree to anything unless it was in the region of Palestine, forcing the more reasonable secular Zionists to ask for land they didn't even want (or rather, "would've liked in theory" but realized very well they couldn't have for practical reasons).

>>55353743
On the plus side, that does mean the Jews didn't get Alaska. Imagine if they had that oil on top of everything.

>>55353743
Well, at that point, just about every Jew had gone either secular or really religious. By time I was born, the religious orientation of the Zionists had flipped.
Pretty sure the political reason was everyone going "eh, we saved you. Now we're going to treat you like a shitty side quest NPC. Go do a side quest to drum up support, and if you can take enough Jews with you, we'll consider it."
And don't forget the american fundamentalists saying "if we create Israel there, the end of the world will come and we can make sure none of you fuckers go to heaven!"

>>55353655
I mean, maybe stealing land from folks who had lived there and had the rights to it was a bad idea, just saying. Fuck Islam, but the Palestinians are fucking right. They got fucked royally.

The fact there is a sizable Palestinian Christian population also I feel needs to be brought up to maybe break the Zionist hold on western Christians.

>>55354038
Wild that Jews don't realize Christian support is largely about wanting them to mostly die (except for a few hundred thousand.)

>>55350162
Goodness this is cringey.

>>55353655
The ideal state of Israel would been the Dakotas where they could run wild and free unable to harm or be harmed.

>>55348417
I actually have those. They have some fun information on the fake classes and their abilities on the back of each one.

>>55344163
>>55344271
The one-shot comics are pretty good, really. There isn't much else out there like them.

However, I can't even follow the "Dark Science" thing, and his transhuman cheerleading is so obvious, and so poorly justified, that it's become obnoxious.

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>>55348360
>>55348892
Oh the two from that youtube show about video games?

>>55352509
Is that the comic by the guy who got really, really obsessed with Reaper76?

>>55350808

Well, I suppose I could expect no less from a /v/ermin.

Feel free to get the last response and declare victory. I'm done with you.

>>55352509

Yeah, I know. The writing wasn't bad like a lot of faggots claim. I'm glad to see people agree.

>>55355871

Pretty sure those were her favorite characters, yeah.

>>55355871
The artist is a woman

>>55354056
Should have put them in Uganda then.

>>55332755
Shadowrun maybe

comic was good
(I say was as it's updated yearly)

the writer is a total dingus tho

>>55355947
The gal who got really, really obsessed with Reaper76 then.

>>55356317

>not using "guy" as gender neutral

shiggidity diggity my niggidity

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>>55355871

I follow her on tumblr. There's a lot of Reaper76 art.

I understand why, to a degree. Look at her art and the general tropes/characters they like to draw and talk about. Reaper and Soldier 76 basically cover a lot of those tropes, so why not draw something you really like?

Even if it's not my 'thing', I still respect their abilities as an artist.

>>55349897
>>55349643
It's also funny when someone's cheesecake art has pretensions of being more than cheesecake art. Like, someone who unabashedly draws sleazy pinup girls for people like himself to enjoy is a lot less cringeworthy than someone who pretends that his pinup girls are progressive while everyone else's are evil. The pretense is paper-thin and the hypocrisy is pretty easy to see. If you like pinup girls, you do you, but making pinup girls while claiming that all pinup girls but yours are sinful is not a defensible position.

>>55348892
I remember reading something he wrote about him being in the middle of writing Borderlands 2 when Portal 2 came out and having a panic attack because he knew he'd never write something that good. But playing Borderlands 2 it seems like he wasn't even trying. That game has a lot of cringe in it of several different flavors. I got way more entertainment from imagining his suffering than from the game.

>>55356589

Nah, no cringe in Borderlands 2. Portal 2 definitely has better writing though.