/STG/ - Star Trek General

In before Galaxy Quest and The Orville show up on Memory Gamma.

>>55331793
Inb4 someone starts Memory Delta and adds those there.

>>55331740
It is a sad day when a god damn parody has a better looking ship than actual show. Thanks STD.

>>55331902
That's the real reason they went after Axanar. There was a real risk of people thinking the fan work was the real Trek.

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What do you guys think of Enterprise? I'm watching it right now while taking a break from DS9 and I'm enjoying it so far. After reading up on what they were planning for season 5, I'm kind of sad it got cancelled.

>>55331939

I'm watching all Trek shows in release order right now and I have to say that after watching Voyager, Enterprise had me pleasantly surprised. There's still a lot of unused potential, but at least they didn't squander it as massively as Voyager did.

>>55331939
Why didn't STD go with this look if ENT didn't?

It looks fucking awesome for a protagonist ship.

>>55332496
Show always uses a new protagonist ship with a new aesthetic. Something to do with not wanting to reuse sets.

So Orville turned out to be almost the definition of "okay" imo.

>>55332602
Yep. It's basically alright. I'll keep watching in the hopes that it gets better, or at the very least doesn't go to shit.

>>55332561
Except ENT is actually counter to that. The Hero ship was just modified Akira from previous series and atleast one Klingon ship was a D7 that was used previous series aswell. They only started using original ships in the 2nd season I think.

>>55331899
what would Memory Omega be?

>>55332780
The place where requests for slash fiction and other trek themed porn would go.

>>55332780
Fan fiction and Chakat art.

>>55332602

Pretty much.

A good enough 1st episode, which can really go anywhere from here.

Ship stuff was pretty good. I liked how the enemy DD launched missiles after energy weapons took out the shields.

>>55332762
Except that:
1: The NX is only an Akira in the same way that a Galaxy is a Connie. It uses effectively the same combination of pieces, however there is a clear delineation in designs with regards to scale and aesthetic that's clear to the naked eye. You would not mistake an NX with an Akira and vice versa. Even moreso with the interior esthetic which is NASA meets early Trek with a heavy weighting towards NASA.
2: The D7 appearance was a consequence of the producers wanting a redesign of the completed D5 design(seen in Marauders and the s4 Klingon storyline) far too late, resulting in an argument between them and the designer. For unfathomable reasons, no doubt motivated their intent to spite the designer, they decided instead to use a shitty low poly D7 model they had lying around. The D7 was never supposed to be used, only Berman's hate boner made them use it.
3: They introduced plenty of new designs in S1, they just wasted them on shitty 1-shot aliens for the most part. The Xyrillians, the Suliban, the Elachi(Silent Enemy) stand out in my memory, while both the Vulcans and Humans got a few new designs along the way.

>>55332798
That's effectively what Memory gamma is.

>captcha uses a photo taken at the 5 minutes from where I live
Concern is real, lads.

>>55332840
I wonder if that was purely for narrative effect or if Braga/MacFarlane are paying that much attention to detail.

>>55332988
It's MacFarlane's dream project, it's absolutely attention to detail.
Funny thing, a couple days ago my dad and I were watching an episode of TNG and commenting that the crew might benefit from seatbelts, and that smaller ships should be capable of the same kind of acrobatics the Orville performs.

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>>55331939

ENT is a mess, but in general, I think it could have worked (and really started to do so in season 4). They had an okay core cast, but they misused them generally, and in many cases flat out ignored them (Hoshi and Mayweather in particular).

I think ENT is better than VOY, but it has some of the same core problems: It sets out a premise (in ENT's case, Trek, but before the tech we recognize and the setting that started it all), and then fumbles with it.

For example, ENT does exceedingly well with the interior sets, and even I think, the uniforms. But they fumble it with spatial torpedoes and phase pistols, which are really just photon torpedoes and phasers with a different name. They also do that really annoying thing from VOY where everyone (in particular, T'pol) wanders around with a not!tricorder and scans things and exposits nonsense to each other.

The first two seasons are rough, with a bunch of bright spots. Shran is wonderful every time he appears, and I always look forward to it. Season three... I don't know. I think it's a breath of fresh air the show desperately needed, but they didn't know where they were going with it, and it shows. That's why they hired Manny Coto to finish off season three.

Who in turn gave us the excellent direction that season four has (even if I dislike some of the episodes and the ideas behind them, like the Vulcans needing Prophet Archer to reveal to them the True Words of Surak - however, these are relics of season one and two that had to be explained). But it was too little, too late, to save ENT.

Could have been great. Could have been up there with TOS, DS9, and TNG, but they flubbed it.

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>>55333180
A minor point but I would have loved it if they kept the EM Pistols around instead of the Phase Pistols. It would have been interesting to see them have to be careful not to kill a target without just stunning everything.

>>55333493

Yep. It would have caused the crew to have to have different procedures for dealing with problems (and by extension, the writers would need to come up with more creative and interesting situations to deal with this).

And once primitive phaser weapons become available, it'd have felt like the protagonists had earned them.

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>September 2017
>Still no playable Cardassians, Breen or Vorta in Star Trek Online.
Why live?

>>55333493
Plasma pistols and tasers would have worked great.

>>55333561
The problem was I think they got alot of Voyagers writing staff and to be frank creative and interesting is not what those people where capable of doing, also Berman sitting on the executive producer seat meant that even the smallest creativety and interest of stuff was squashed out.

>>55333801
Gamma Quadrant expansion is up next. Keep those hopes up.

>>55334643
It'll be about time again, just you wait.

>>55333801
So what's the Cardassian symbol supposed to be?

When making a new Federation/Starfleet member species, how far would you go? Being on /tg/ for so long has made me worried that I might be subtly injecting my magical realm, even though Caitians exist and that my players specifically requested "something new and exciting" for their Chief Medical Officer.

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>>55332496
In season 5 the NX-01 would have been given a refit into something that looked like the picture I posted. Since DIS takes place around the The Cage, I wouldn't expect them to use a design that looks so roughshod, especially when the asian captain's ship is yet another Akira ripoff.

>>55333180
Jeff Combs really did carry the entire Andorian race on his back now that I think about it. I think it would have been cool to see Shran join the crew of Enterprise in season 5 like they were planning.

>>55333801
Is STO good? I played it for a couple hours a while back and had a bit of fun destroying a borg cube in my shitty Miranda-type

>>55338114
Go as far as you want. The Federation has a ton of species and all of them have the potential to be their own fleshed-out niche.

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>>55338235
>Is STO good? I played it for a couple hours a while back and had a bit of fun destroying a borg cube in my shitty Miranda-type
It's worth playing through the story missions at the very least. Most are half-decent, some are bad, but there are some real gems too. Whether or not you stick around for endgame content is up to how much you end up liking the gameplay or space barbie.

>>55337777
Looks like a cobra to me.

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>>55338803
But cardassians don't have hoods. Maybe it's some kind of animal on their homeplanet, maybe even an earlier stage of evolution in their species. But then again it's not like Starfleet has a chimpanze as ther emble or anything.

>>55337777
I believe The Official Starships Collection companion for the Galor-ship mentioned that the symbol of the Cardassian Union is supposed to be the symbolic representation of a mythical warrior called the Galor. But idk how accurate that is or where they got it from.

>>55339460
Well he definitely had some serious pauldrons in that case.

>>55338522
Pretty much this, but I'd add on a few things:
>The gameplay - at least in spess - is pretty trek-y, but the ground is garbage.
>Standard canon-y builds are easy enough to make and okay-ish for playing.
>Space barbie usually requires a lot of grinding to play the freemium game, but there's basically nothing that's completely paywalled.
>You can be a minmaxing dps munchkin too if you want, but it's not that big of a deal because you just need a reasonable build to PvE, and PvP is so hilariously broken you'll be insta-shredded no matter what.
>The Foundry (UGC) has so much more and better gems than the missions.
>The memes are stale.
>The global chat is cancer that seems to solely consist of edgy alt-righters battling it out with leftypols who think they're Gene reincarnated.
>It's still fun, somehow.

>>55339584
Meant to reply to >>55338235, too.

>>55339584
Last time I played it was just constant Gorn puns. Which was interesting to say the least.

>>55339637
Most of the old running gags (Where's Sulu, Kurland Here, etc) have receded into the cringe level of history, but Gorn jokes are probably the only old meme the community looks upon fondly (ish)

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I watched The Orville.

I am ok with this.

That pretty much sums up everything, but for a more detailed thing that doesn't contain spoilers:

I liked the little details, like the reveal of the Orville being like the reveal of the Enterprise A both musically and in shot composition, with a nice overview of the ship so we get a good look at it. The design of everything worked, it's clearly not huge budget but they put the money where it matters in making sure not every alien was just a bumpy head human, and the ones that were didn't look like crap. The colours and style felt something like a modernised TNG; lots of muted scenery accentuated with stand-out bright colours on characters and lots of daylight. I'm sure that bit is incredibly intentional contrast against Discovery and the like.
The dialogue was a bit clunky in the first half but then establishing everyone and everything within the time limit is never easy so I'll let it pass. The humour I expected to be the weakest part but still I actually smiled at points, and didn't find myself cringing (which was what I expected). Some of it was a bit crass but a lot of it was just banter, and the banter worked fine for me. The plot itself was a bit rushed as a consequence of all the establishing but again was fine, didn't capture the imagination much but gave most of the cast something to do.

It surprised me by not feeling like fanboy wankery. And whilst I didn't go into this expecting the seconding coming of Star Trek (so I wasn't let down), it came out better than I thought it might have been. Because it so easily could have been awful.

I think what I am trying to say is this show has a lot of potential to fuck up or get great, but clearly it's heart is in the right place and the foundations are far more solid than I expected. It's not just a tribute to what Star Trek was, and instead is clearly managing to be it's own continuation of Star Trek's core themes and tropes but in it's own style.

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>>55339662
That's good to hear. I haven't seen it yet but it was wondering about it. Is it very comedy focused like the trailers made me think or not?

>>55339662
Ok so im out of the loop.
Checked some images of this Orville thing and it looks like Galaxy quest.
Are they related? Or is this just another comedy take on star trek?

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>>55339841
>>55339864
Most of the big "jokes" were in the trailers. The overall tone of the show is more like if the world of Star Trek was populated by 21st century office workers, in that there is crude banter and passive-aggressiveness among the crew. It might devolve into typical MacFarlane, but it has the potential to be good if it stays its course.

>>55339841
It's like a TOS episode with a bit more banter and a little bit of toilet humour, but not much. Not all of it lands, but in ratio of jokes to drama, it's about a Trouble with Tribbles balance (though not as good as that episode).

>>55339864
Not related. It's a little awkward to sum up because it isn't just a parody. Nor is it just a fan-film with a budget. It's like Macfarlane and company took TOS or really more TNG, changed up the visuals and naming so it's clearly not but really is star trek at the same time, and then built something new on top of that. It's not just a retreading of old ground, but it does play out like an episode of star trek, not a parody of one. Not even a loving parody. The characters are people who can be jokey, not jokes in and of themselves.

It just is star trek with a little bit more silly humour and banter and a different skin on top.

>>55339662
"Happy Arbor Day."

>>55339864
>>55340115
I'd say Galaxy Quest is more of a delightfully wholesome tribute to Trek, while the Orville just seems a straight-up comedic take on the setting.

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>>55338268
If you'll indulge me, the slightly cheesecake pic-related is the kind of species I wanted to try and introduce. They come from a few D&D games I've run where Dragonborn aren't scalie-bait. Obviously I'd have to get her in a specialized Starfleet uniform that accommodates her scales and tail, but that's a minor problem all things considered.

I vaguely had in mind that her species could come from an mostly-arctic world, and that features like the horns and scales are both for temperature regulation and for defensive purposes. I wouldn't go so far as to compare them to Klingons, but they are sort of a warrior-like race. Maybe the Andorian Ushaan would be a better comparison. Though obviously instead of using a certain tool/weapon they use their natural ones. Other than that, I'm open to any suggestions on how to fluff them appropriately. Or be told that this is a terrible idea. Either one really.

I also think it'd be better if she wasn't the CMO, and was instead either a science officer or an engineer. Both positions would come with the enlisted rank of Senior Chief Specialist. That way in case my players don't like her it's easy enough to make her supporting character drift back into the faceless void of all the other people on the ship.

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>>55341958
Dragon-folk are going to be magical realm no matter what, so just bee urself.
As far as uniforms go, just go with a skirt. You didn't say what time frame, but either TOS minidress or TNG skant will work.

>>55342390
Hey, it's not gay if there's a skirt, so that's a plus too!

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>>55342390
So like this then. That should work. I'll do the proper thing and give the Captain player a final say on whether this does or does not meet their requirement for "new and exciting," instead of just dropping the character on them during the tour of the ship.

On a mostly unrelated note - I forgot Troi ever wore this.

>>55342871
I forgot how much of the show had Troi hanging around with her greek hotness.

>>55340483
In it's own way, The Orville is as wholesome as Galaxy Quest, I think. It has the handicap of the guy responsible for Family Guy is responsible for the humor in it, but there were so many scenes of cool Star Trek stuff with the somber, hopeful music and the characters legitimately being awed at the prospect of space exploration and space adventures that it sold me. It's a parody, sure, but it's definitely a "We love you and all your crazy bullshit" parody and not "This shit's fuckin' stupid".

>>55343188
And the pilot had time shenanigans without actual time travel, that's always cool.

Am I alone in liking Archer and T'pol's growing relationship?

>>55343474
Yes, it's shit apart from Twilight, which is absolute fucking kino.

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>>55343655
Catsuit girls look better in uniform, no exceptions.

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>>55343685
Fuck, wrong pic.

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>>55343474
wut?

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>>55343685
>>55343696
Agreed

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>>55343741
You heard me.

>>55343696
The sad part is that even with her as mostly eye candy, I actually liked Jolene Blalock. She wasn't bad as a Vulcan, and when she wasn't handed generic antagonist "Humans are retards" lines she didn't do badly.

>>55343844

She even complained about inconsistent stuff like the scene where T'pol eats popcorn, despite it having previously been established that Vulcans don't touch food with their hands. Berman shot her down. She was also pretty critical of some of the show's direction, and felt that they were sending it to an early grave.

They hired a bimbo who was smarter than they were. Really makes you think.

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Attention /STG/!
Where's the best place to buy model Starships? All the listings I can find on Amazon are either the shitty AMT kits, tiny Eaglemoss models, or the Diamond Select toys, which are currently all >60 dollars excepting the NX-01

>>55343951
Unfortunately nowhere. Get the older Polar Lights kits if you can, but the newer ones using their name have terrible QC and don't fit for shit.

>>55343951
I used the code BOGO and got Eaglemoss BoP and Ent-D models for a combined $5, all I had to do was call after they came to cancel my subscription. Dunno if you can still do it.

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>>55343951
Well there's always the not exactly illicit or secretive market for resin ships and stuff to customise plastic kits. Ugh! Models appears pretty good if you're in the US, decently priced and nice quality from what I've seen. Image not mine but related.

There's a bunch like them out there though. Also Shapeways if you want to spend a bajillion dollarydoos on 3d printing stuff..

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>>55344017
>>55344041
>>55344179
Damn, I've been spoiled too much by Bandai I guess. I don't have the tools/paints to do any kits well, so I suppose I'll just wait for the Diamond Select sutff to get reissued so they're not so expensive.

>>55331909
>Axanar
Hadn't heard about this. Dying Oligarch Syndrome has set in, eh?

>>55344400
What's Dying Oligarch Syndrome?

>>55344420
Bullshit I just made up to evoke the image of some old asshole with a copyright claim desperately clinging to it and swinging wildly at their own fans as the well dries up.

>>55343927
Was that why they decided to pair Trip and T'pol together?

>>55344461

I doubt it. I'm willing to bet the writers just had no idea where to take either character, and decided "massage to cure headaches and insomnia = intimacy = love affair".

Archer and T'pol actually had more chemistry, but it would have been improper for the captain to be romancing someone under his command which actually would have made it more interesting.

>>55344502
>which actually would have made it more interesting
ENT's slogan.

>>55344540
Pretty much. Especially the Temporal Cold War, the building of the Federation that should've been woven into S1, and the initial effects and ship designs which went way too quickly into modern Trek.

>>55344540
As somebody who likes ENT, this is painfully accurate. I think it may have been the low tech and the closer proximity to real Earth analogues, but something about it felt like it was always accidentally being interesting and then squandering it.

>>55344627

I'm going to admit that I didn't like ENT on first viewing, and I considered it the worst Trek for a number of years. However, on repeat viewings, I found things I liked and... there's a lot of "could have been" in there that makes me sad.

VOY, however, I had to force myself to watch, and I don't think I can do it again. Maybe a handful of episodes I could stomach watching again, but not the whole thing.

My unofficial and totally subjective ranking is: DS9>TOS>TNG>ENT>TAS>VOY

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>>55344540
>>55344627

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>>55343844
>She wasn't bad as a Vulcan
She was terrible as a vulcan though. She couldn't pull off "emotionless," or even "stoic"; she just went with "constantly annoyed but trying to hide it, and even then not succeeding". It was so bad they even made it a thing that T'Pol was always bad at managing/hiding her emotions (which fits better with what they were doing with the Vulcans in ENT desu).
>>55344461
>Was that why they decided to pair Trip and T'pol together?
It probably tested better to have the younger-looking, hotter people hook up rather than a middle-aged guy and a younger hottie (T'Pol is technically older than Archer, but he looks a lot older). I bet they were planning on having Archer hook up with the other captain eventually anyways. Archer/T'Pol was always pretty forced anyways - it was enough that they came to respect each other as professionals, and then people, overcoming each other's biases and bigotry, and eventually becoming friends; adding a romance on top would be too much. Besides, if you want a weird captain/crew relationship, it should be Archer/Sato.

>>55344860

Too bad Sato is a damp blanket that's not a misuse or misunderstanding of the phrase - I'd call her a wet blanket, but that's too strong of a description for such a non-entity.

>>55344400
Axanar was a fan film set about the same time as STD with actual Trek actors (including Soval, played by the original actor), a non retarded ship design, and generally doing a good job of modernizing the TOS look.

>>55344927
It would have at least added some continuity to Trek history. TOS didn't even allow women to command starships or wear pants, so having Archer essentially banging his cute Asian receptionist would have underscored how primitive ENT was by modern standards.

>>55344860
Sato x Reed

So I just looked up some clips of Axanar.

What the fuck was wrong with the mics on that set? They are so bad.

>>55345167
Axanar was a massive scam, that's what was wrong.

>>55345028

>women not allowed to wear pants

Except, that that is incorrect. "Number One" in "The Cage" wore pants, as did several other onscreen female characters, who were also later featured in "The Menagerie, Parts 1 &2", so it's canon.

>women not allowed to command starships

If there was any Trek episode I'd like stricken from the record for the absolute stupidity of it, it would be "Turnabout Intruder". I blame Gene for it though, because he wrote it, the madman. If I was to interpret it favorably for some reason, I would posit that Janice Lester was just crazy, and blamed Starfleet in her mental illness rather than blaming the mental illness itself.

However, I've often shot down notions of "Threshold" being non-canon, so I don't get to be a hypocrite. It's canon, and it sucks.

>>55344860
>Poseidon from ST: Legacy
Am I the only one who remembers that game? It had ALL the casts' voices and the engine was solid enough for modding...

>>55345579
But it's disputable, ignorable, given we have examples like the captain of the NX-02 being a woman.

And it's more easily ignorable than Threshold because there's at least a framework around it that conflicts with it. It doesn't make any sense, the context is a quote from someone insane, we've seen female captains both before and after in the timeline and so on.

Honesty, the only thing that seems canon about it in retrospect is that a confirmed incredibly unreliable narrator said it.
Basically, it wouldn't hold up in court.

>>55344502
They kinda hinted at that in S3, in the alt-future where they were unable to stop the Xindi.

>>55344571
ENT faced huge criticisms for not being modern Trek from the fans and the execs. Internally, a lot of the backstory developed for Trek over the years, along with the books and comics, meant that without rapid development Earth should have been curbstomped by most species in the setting when you consider the tech disparity between early warp-capable Earth and other established groups. ENT presents Earth as something of an unstated Vulcan protectorate, but the Vulcans themselves seem pretty hands off most of the time.

>>55345807

That's my feeling, but you know how we get in these threads from time to time (I'm just as guilty of it as anyone else. I'll always be upfront and honest about that).

>>55337777

A Manta-lorian

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>>55345926

STA question: Does reputation reset after a promotion, or does it stay at 15? I feel like I'm missing a whole paragraph somewhere.

Huh, so next on STO, we will be getting Tellarite, Orion and Suliban ships.

https://www.arcgames.com/en/games/star-trek-online/news/detail/10637404

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>>55348757
>you can finally play as the suliban lunchbox
fucking sold

>>55348757
Maybe they'll make an in-game Version of the Kumasi that doesn't look like shit next

>>55348757
What are the chances of us ever getting Suliban as a playable race?

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>>55352639
12%

>>55345651
Too bad the gameplay was fucking garbage.
It did, however, have some interesting starship designs for certain eras (TMP klingons, TMP romulans, fed proxima, poseidon, yorktown, etc.)

>>55352639
They're shapeshifters. You can make any character a deep cover Suliban agent (or a Founder) via backstory.

>that new STO episode
It certainly feels like a TNG episode, that's for sure.

>>55345651
I liked the new ship designs in the game and think it's awful that they'll never be used again, but found the game itself to be very buggy.

>>55344703
>VOY, however, I had to force myself to watch, and I don't think I can do it again.
i recently tried and barely got through the first two episodes, then basically checked out by the fourth. it's just not compelling

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>>55339584
>The Foundry (UGC) has so much more and better gems than the missions.
Any you'd recommend as examples of how good they can be?

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Who was in the wrong here?

I miss the days when we had a RP group on STO. I didn't get to play much before the group imploded, but the time I got I enjoyed (mostly hanging out on DS9, chatting and drinking).

>>55345579
>If there was any Trek episode I'd like stricken from the record for the absolute stupidity of it, it would be "Turnabout Intruder". I blame Gene for it though, because he wrote it, the madman. If I was to interpret it favorably for some reason, I would posit that Janice Lester was just crazy, and blamed Starfleet in her mental illness rather than blaming the mental illness itself.
>However, I've often shot down notions of "Threshold" being non-canon, so I don't get to be a hypocrite. It's canon, and it sucks.
She never said women weren't allowed to be captains, just that "Your world of starship captains doesn't admit women" which you could read as "you didn't admit me so clearly the fault is on your end."

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>>55354502
Yes.

>>55354588
That is the rational interpretation given the evidence available.

>>55354588

I know that. I want it stricken from the record because of anons like >>55345028 who continue to perpetuate memes about TOS that just prove they haven't watched it.

>>55354502
The first purpose of a society is to help its members survive through crises. That particular society crashed and burned the moment a crisis hit and had no stress margin of any sort. So it kind of fails completely compared to what already occurs naturally. I wouldn't call it a masterpiece.

>>55354502
They were for making such a stupid society.

>>55353347
>Geordi immediately greets me with "It's good to see you again, admiral."
What.

>>55354502
The idiots refusing lifesaving aid because "muh perfect society"

>>55352639
You know, I think we'll get Ferengi before we ever get any other decent races.

>>55358926
We already have playable Ferengi.

>>55355800
If you're playing Fed the odds are good your character has seen him offscreen in some capacity that didn't involve blowing Klingons/Voth/Borg/Zentraedi. Especially if you're max level.

>>55340069
>>>55339864
>Most of the big "jokes" were in the trailers. The overall tone of the show is more like if the world of Star Trek was populated by 21st century office workers, in that there is crude banter and passive-aggressiveness among the crew.


I watch Trek to escape from this kind of crap.

>>55359683
Ah, so it's just like the new Trek movies.

>>55359718
Nah the crew is far more likeable and not as prone to drama for the sake of it.

http://www.physicsguy.com/ftl/html/FTL_part4.html#chap:ftlconcepts
TLDR: the writers didn't intend it, but ST FTL works because subspace is a special reference frame.

>>55361954
HOLY SHIT. Dilithium crystals are time crystals synced to subspace's frame of reference! That's how they work. Time crystals in divergent frames of reference force a tug of war between quantum entanglement (time crystals are strongly entangled) and relativity. If relativity wins the entanglement breaks. If entanglement wins, FTL without paradox.

>>55362774
Thanks for the summary.

>>55362774

Well, I guess the dilithium crystals are the "exotic matter" that Alcubierre was talking about. Now we just have to hope something like it exists (or can be made) in this universe.

>>55361954
>>55362774
It also explains why subspace is so important for warp in the omega particle episode and the global warming episode when previously it was just an excuse for the ansible.

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>>55364156
People thought Geordi would be the spock of TNG ?

>>55364156
They were more or less correct for the 1st 2 seasons.

>>55354520
I'm not sure if I was part of the same thing, but a few guys used to meet up on ds9 to play Dabo for a while and then take cracks at the Terran Empire missions to wrack up Terran Rep. Good times. Haven't really played the game since.

>>55359660
The fuck are the Zentraedi?

>>55368975
Scholars and gentlemen who appreciate culture.

>>55369122

Yack!

How much info is given in the Adventures core rule book about running games in the TOS series and movie era?

>>55369943
Enough?

The game mechanics don't change for the era. It's mostly down to the GM to implement the appropriate 'feel' and keep note of what is and isn't available, more or less.

>>55369943
There's a little information given for everything except Abramstrek. Probably less than you know already.

>>55365873
>>55364156
And they thought that Neelix was going to be the new Quark. People are idiots.

>>55369943
The first 73 pages are setting information. But yeah honestly just marathon some TOS/TAS and or read some of the FASA books and you'll know more than enough.

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So when Worf was growing up in Russia do you think he hid his Klingon comic books under his bed? Do you think his parents disliked him being all Klingon?

>>55331939
I started watching it once, when it got to "You two attractive crewmembers, get naked and rub each other down with oil for medical reasons" I couldn't take it seriously.

>>55372236

Given his interaction with his parents in TNG, I'd say no to the second one. They seem like they have a lot of mutual respect for each other as adults, and Worf seems genuinely fond of them.

As for the first... I can't see Worf hiding anything. He's not ashamed to be Klingon. He's also not ashamed to be Starfleet. He doesn't let others dictate how he should feel about things, or how he should act (which baffles Gowron and Martok both). It's part of the reason he was willing to accept being dishonored in the Empire in order to protect its dirty secrets.

Most of Worf's existence on TNG is to be the butt of jokes, to be uncharacteristically aggressive for a Starfleet officer, to provide tactical advice (which is then ignored), and to be thrown around be the alien of the week to show how tough it is.

Thankfully, we got to see Michael Dorn shine in the later seasons, and then got some great stuff out of him on DS9.

>>55331939
Watching it currently, just got done with episode 3 of season 3.
What the fuck happened? I mean, i'm kinda enjoying it so far, but it already was kind of redneck horror star trek, why did they go fulk grimdark?

>>55373429

9/11 happened.

>>55373429
9/11 happened. Grimdark edgy DOING WHAT IS NECESSARY was all over American media at the time.

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>tfw I'm the only person that enjoyed the Troy/Worf romance

I groaned anytime a Riker and Troy romance scene came up, and whenever a Worf and Jadzia scene came up, but for some reason that I couldn't possibly explain, I not only didn't mind Worf and Troy, but enjoyed that little story.

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>>55373462
>>55373442

Took a while to catch up given they started just after 9/11 in the first place.

>>55374091
Sirtis is surprisingly hot in that clip. Well played, TNG.

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>>55373429
If you thunk that was awful, wait till you get to Similitude.

Archer didn't deserve all the shit he goes through in season 3

>>55373429
>>55374093

A somewhat lengthier explanation is that season 1 and 2 had "disappointing" ratings, so the studio gave the go-ahead for a season long arc to shake things up (they also cut season 3 from 26 to 24 episodes), 9/11 was still fresh on everyone's mind and the second Iraq war was in full swing. Shows ENT was contemporaneous with are 24, and NCIS. 24 in particular was doing very well, and NCIS is somehow still on the air.

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>>55374147
>not thinking she's hot in every scene

Your shit taste is showing

>>55374191

None of the regular female cast on TNG was hot. If you've got a thing for older, average looking women, that's your deal anon.

>>55374191
Look, I'd hit it for sure, but there's better choices on the crew during TNG.

>>55373442
>>55373462
>>55374152
>>55374153
Thanks for clearing this up anons.
I didn't expect it to randomly juno to homicide, torture, graphic body horror and burning people alive all of a sudden, despite the early spoopy episodes.

>>55371785
>>55371309
>>55370339
I was just told that the game mostly focused on TNG-era, and that TOS was getting its own supplement later on.

>>55374480
Well there's a bunch of supplements planned but the game is very character focused. There's simply not the need to differentiate between things like a TOS Type 2 phaser pistol and a TNG Type 2 phaser and so on.

I expect the TOS supplement (or any other really) to flesh out with extra ships, scenarios, player races and enemies. But there's already a bunch in there.

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>>55374152
I quite liked Season 3 Archer desu. He does things that I can imagine Sisko doing if under high enough pressure.

>>55332780
Unlicensed fanfictions set in other unlicensed fanfiction's universes where the original fanfiction was of a tertiarily related but officially unaffiliated setting.
i.e. your dirty smutfiction of someone elses OC waifu set in the galaxy quest universe.

>>55375170

>someone writes OC donut steel waifu for the Starfleet Universe setting
>someone else writes a story about a Galaxy Quest spinoff show lampooning the SFU
>you write an erotic fan fic about the actor who played the character in GQ parody of the OC donut steel

How far does the rabbit hole go?

>>55375348
>>someone writes OC donut steel waifu for the Starfleet Universe setting
>>someone else writes a story about a Galaxy Quest spinoff show lampooning the SFU
>>you write an erotic fan fic about the actor who played the character in GQ parody of the OC donut steel
>you have a steamy one-night stand with the author of the fan fic about the actor who played the character in the parody of the donutsteel OC.

It goes at least one level lower.

>>55375348
Oh I think we can fall much further

>crossover erotic fan fic between the actor in the GQ parody and characters from popular video games
>that again, except now entirely furry
>an attempt to give the furry version of the parody actor a gritty backstory about the loss of their child by the aforementioned furry-ified game character
>that again, except canon within the Sonic universe.

>>55375098
Oh man, you can just tell from that picture that they're going out later to kill a hooker

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>>55375505
That's how they roll on the NX-01.

>>55373068
I thought that was pretty strange too. I figured they'd use a decontamination field sort of like what the first Mass Effect did.

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>>55375741
You don't even need that, just make it a decontamination shower or something. Depending on the kind of shower used they could even keep the pointless T'Pol fanservice.

>>55375798
>>55375741
I remember I read somewhere that the whole Decon Shower thing was a forced decision by the production company (who's name escapes me) and it was very unpopular with the actors. Especially T'Pol.

>>55375622
Damn that was beautiful.

>>55372236
Not at all. The Roshenkos did everything they could to teach Worf about Klingon culture. However, their understanding of Klingon culture is through the rosy, utopian, everyone-has-something-to-offer lens of the Federation. Worf learned that Klingons were noble and honorable warriors, when in fact Worf is the only klingon in the fucking galaxy who lives up to those values even a little bit. He did not learn about the shittiness of the past few centuries of Klingon politics because Federation citizens consider that rude to talk about.

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>>55376198
I'm not sure if it's intentional but I quite like how in Trek all of the Races with any sort of development are massively hypocritical. Such as how Klingons rant about honour but are one of the least honourable species in the Galaxy. Or how Vulcans are all about logic yet are massively arrogant and pompous. It's quite interesting.

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I just finished watching DS9 Season 5 episode For the Uniform.

Sisko just made a colony unihabitable and apparently didn't clear bombing a colonies atmosphere with Starfleet? Meanwhile calling himself the villain with Jadzia just smiling her head off saying "sometimes I like it when the badguy wins"

AND THE EPISODE JUST ENDS. What the fuck? Is that shit even legal? He can't just get away with that

>>55376440

It's intentional as far as Klingons are concerned.

It is not exactly that the Klingons are hypocrites, it's the idea of having a personal code of honor is a fairly new one as far as humans are concerned. Klingons have external honor (i.e. their honor is based entirely on how they are perceived by their peers - as it was for most of human history too), with a side order of "victory is always honorable".

If you win by lies and treachery, and no is left standing to call you out on it, then you're still honorable as far as society is concerned. If someone calls you a liar, and then you kill them, then obviously he was fatally mistaken.

Do you like running a game on an established ship design, or do you whip up something new for protagaships?

What are your favourite ships for a game?

>>55376538
Unihabitable to Humans, not Cardassians.
The planets the Maquis attacked were made uninhabitable to Cardassians but not Humans.
They don't mention if it would have any effect on other federation species, but most of the others are probably not stupid enough to stay in the DMZ.

>Is that shit even legal? He can't just get away with that
Probably not but it prevented the Cardassians from retaliating in kind.
Because of that if the Federation government or Starfleet had done anything against Sisko the Cardies would have thrown a fit. This while the Feds were trying to prop up the Cardassian civilian government against the Klingons.

>>55331939
Enterprise was hindered by the insistence on doing time travel plots in a show that was supposed to be about the first human exploration vessel. A bunch of first contact episodes interspersed with problem-solving, war-stopping, and alien-shagging would have been perfect.

Also whoever decided not to use the original opening theme should be fired. Out of a cannon.

>>55376699
Miranda

Bitch is aesthetic, while allowing for challenging underdog scenarios

>>55376699
Excelsior is my favorite. It looks super cool, and is upgradeable all the way to post Hobus transwarp space magic. This means players can level up their ship while keeping it visually the same hull.

>>55374191
McFadden and Sirtis are MILFy, but that's usually not what you pursue.

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>>55376538

>>55376814
>Get stuck with an Excelsior prototype testing yet another transwarp drive in the 2290's
>We're really sure the transwarp drive will work this time!
>It's worse
>sends ship out of control
>slingshot around a black hole and end up +100 years in the future
>Starfleet has a new transwarp drive for us to test

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>>55377046

>>55377229
>Not the defiant
>Commander isn't black
Almost

>>55377251
Well it was 'shuttlecraft problem'

>>55377229
If I had any editing skills, I'd make the shuttle go Warp 10 and the lever operator a lizard.

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>>55375622

>>55377550

Reed's the best character of ENT.

>>55377647
Call him "Stinky," he likes that.

>>55378376

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e-cPmvRN2x4

>>55369122

kek

>>55376742
That would be Berman, the man seemed to hate the music used in Star Trek. He actually fired a composer who had won a award for his music in TNG when TNG was running.

Thought experiment:

Suppose you have a choice between two science officers. Your crew's pretty small (<100) so they might have to have some sort of secondary job in addition to their usual duties. The candidates are the following:

1. A petty officer who's had over five years of experience aboard multiple starships. They have a lot of transfers on their record, but not for any disciplinary reasons. If anything, their service record reads like someone who gets bored with their current assignment every year or so and tries to change tack. As a result, they've gotten a wide-breadth of experience in multiple science roles, as well as some basic engineering. One final note: there is a single flag in their file that seems to be the result of some failing or other dereliction of duty, though there are no formal charges on record.

2. A relatively fresh graduate from Starfleet Academy who's still wet behind the ears. They graduated within the top 5 of their class, and are well-versed in Stellar Cartography. There's all sorts of glowing references from multiple professors in their file. But that's as far as their file goes. This would be their first posting and thus are a bit of an unknown.

Which do you pick, and why? Your ship's mission can be whatever you choose it to be for the purposes of the question, but I had in mind a deep space/pathfinding profile.

>>55380190
Which one is the Vulcan?

On a more serious note, young kid every time. Science officer is the bridge posting that leans the most on raw intellect and the least on experience or leadership ability.

>>55380190
I would say choose the petty officer and if he has a demon ghost of a wife, drop her off somewhere else. In deep space missions far away from support you want to have science officer who is good at multiple fields and has the experience.

A green science officer straight out of Academy would a be better off in bigger ship where there are other science people to help him out.

>>55380190
Why would I ever take a green officer for a bridge position? The former, and I'll ask about the infraction when we meet.

>>55380190
O'Brien over Kim every fucking time.

>>55380396
I imagine this going like the first time Riker and Picard chatted in his ready room about his infraction on file

>>55380190
What science position? Considering the options, I'm guessing it's just a random sci posting - there's no way I'd consider either as science chief, unless I was an escort on war duty. If the job opening was stellar cartography, I'd put in the new guy as the third shift head (ie, alone). Anything else and I'd take the non-com. This is no O'Brien though, so he'd be subordinate to the current head of the area for sure. A noncom in a science roll is probably a lab tech at best anyways.

>>55380348
Neither are Vulcans sadly.

>>55380734
Due to the size of your crew (and your vessel), they'd manage multiple science labs as the mission calls for it. Stellar Cartography would likely be the most active based on the pathfinding mission of the ship.

>watching demons/terra prime
>hoshi and mayweather finally get significant roles
>series immediately cancelled

>>55380785
>Due to the size of your crew (and your vessel), they'd manage multiple science labs as the mission calls for it.
>manage multiple
Why? If it's a small ship, it needs only a small maintenance crew. If it's on a purely scientific mission, it doesn't need a large security crew either. You wouldn't need a fresh noob or a tech to manage anything, nor to do multiple things most likely. Remember, the crews of the Enterprise are the best-of-the-best; your typical Nova is going to be run like a normal post. Astronomers are going to stick to astronomy, biologists to biology, geologists to geology, etc. And you already have an experienced crew; unless they're a bunch of knuckle-draggers, you'll promote a current officer (even an ensign), and have the new guy take their old spot. Now, you can promote your new guy later, if they show particular promise, but not until then.

>>55381201
Maybe I'm describing it and remembering stuff wrong due to the late hour. They'd sorta be like a Section Chief. If a lab needs something, they go through this guy. If a lab goes down for whatever reason, this guy might handle it unless an actual engineer from Engineering needs to intervene. If a lab needs to be manned during third shift (for example) and literally no one else is available, this guy does it.

I'm mostly trying to scale down the larger vessels into a smaller ship, like going from the Intrepid to the Nova. You're right in that the Nova in this instance wouldn't have a huge security contingent, but I still feel like they wouldn't have an overwhelming number of scientists to go around. For deep space/pathfinding stuff, you'd want a reasonable crew balance. Who knows what you'll find out there?

Final note as my brain dies - this would be an incoming Captain's choice of crew, not an existing Captain who'd obviously know who to promote from within.

>>55381319
Still, you don't put a noob (either of experience or knowledge) as a section chief. Even the older guy isn't that experienced, nor does he have the schooling, or even specialization, for that job.
Also, you wouldn't put a ship like that on that mission in the first place. The multiple mission parameters is why they do big science cruisers in the first place. Even the Intrepid clearly wasn't designed for a potentially-do-everything mission profile. Something like the Nova would be sent out after something had been surveyed/explored, to look at something interesting in detail - and that something would be the focus, not everything else too.
I also think you're overestimating the size of specialty science sections. Even on the big ships the important labs only had a few people. The med lab was combined with the doctor's office - which seemed to have only one actual doctor, and a few nurses doing everything else. On Voyager, even the most important sections (medical and stellar cartography) had only one or two people at a time, when they were in use at all.
Even with the small sections, you wouldn't put someone with literally no experience (the new kid) or expertise (the non-com) in charge.

>>55339662
My only issue is that the crew is a bit too rambunctious for someone like Seth MacFarlane's character to believably reign in.

Aside from that I had a good time.

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He fucking did it, didn't he.

>>55381604
I'll be surprised if they don't cover this in the series.
Someone once posted a treatment of what ENT should have been and it was rather similar to ORV.

>>55381505
These are all fair points. The point of all this is I'm trying to give my players a choice between two supporting characters. It seems I need to narrow their focus down and either pick Ops or Science, not both in an attempt to do it all, as you say. To return to the original question, I suppose I'll have to make the non-com's service record contain related postings that are similar to the Academy graduate. Stellar Cartography and Astrometrics are similar enough that I *think* going between the two or moving from one into another wouldn't be an issue. They really seem like two sides of the same coin.

>>55381821
>tellar Cartography and Astrometrics are similar enough that I *think* going between the two or moving from one into another wouldn't be an issue.
You've never called a geologist a geographer, have you.

>>55381829
I'm just not batting well tonight. Memory-Alpha really doesn't help when they say things like

>Astrometrics was a specialized lab used aboard Federation starships and facilities for stellar cartographic purposes.

>>55381850
They're really interchangeable, I'm just razzin' ya.

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>>55381859
I swear my players better appreciate me trying to get the minutia right. Knowing my luck they'll probably take one look at the two candidates' species and not even consider the larger service record.

>>55381898
Make them both Tellarite.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kirk/Spock

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>>55381821
It should probably be an ops position to make the difference less clear. A non-com wouldn't have gone to college generally speaking, while anybody that graduated from the academy obviously would have. That doesn't matter so much for most jobs, where experience is king over schooling, but for blue-shirt stuff it can make a big difference. At a big science-oriented post they would probably start out doing the same thing (operating lab equipment and other stuff too boring/not important enough for the proper scientists), but on a small ship even a fresh ensign would have a clear advantage over a not-too-experienced non-scientist type. If the non-com was in the same/similar position for 20-30 years, that would be different, but only about one year per thing doesn't mean jack, since the book-learning at the academy would actually count as experience in this case (and as a prestigious student, they probably had some actual research experience as well - hell, *I* have some actual science research experience).
But with engineering, tactical, piloting, security, or most other things, actual experience would matter. Wouldn't get much time to do any of that as a cadet, except maybe piloting because of extra-circulars. Even if non-com-man only had a year of experience in each area, any fool can tell you that college kids still need to be trained in whatever job they get, no matter how qualified and supposedly-experienced they are (even in things like cs, where the academic experience is much closer to the real world than most other subjects).
>>55381914
This. And female tellarite, to put off the bear-fags.

>>55382178
>female tellarite
Come to think of it, have we ever seen one?

Anyone ever tempted to tweak the department colours, so fewer things are meshed together, Red command/gold engineering/grey security/blue science/green medical for example?

>>55382216
They did do something like that in TNG with science and medical , the medical uniforms where suppose to be alot greener tone but for some reason they came out of as blue in TV screens probably due to lighting.

>>55382216
TMP split the three department colors into six, while the rest of the TOS movies had a total of nine department colors.

>>55382782
>nine
What is there beyond command, engineering, security, science, and medicine?

>>55382810
White - Command
Yellow - Engineering and helm
Light green - Medical
Grey - Science and operations (communication and navigation)
Dark green - Security
Red - Trainees and junior officers
Light blue - Service staff
Black - Enlisted and non-commissioned
Dark green - Ground forces

Most of the new ones are limited to background staff, but do a decent enough job of fleshing out the rank-and-file beyond the bridge crew.

>>55378376
>7 photon torpedoes to take out a fucking B'rel.

>>55374215
>>55374207

Fuck you, Gates McFadden was my first waifu when I was too young to know what a waifu was

>>55383315
Clearly that B'rel had wasted its console slots on kinetic resistance consoles.
Should of used more disruptor damage booster consoles.

I really hate that Starfleet has their ship's Tactical Officer double as chief security officer. Those are really 2 specialised roles that should be separate.

>>55384273
Humanity is so eager to demonstrate that they have put their violent past behind them that they will gladly take the efficiency hit to have less people trained to go for violence first as a problem solving method.

>>55384273

Obviously if your ship gets boarded the enemy ship outside politely stops attacking you so you have no need for a Tac Officer while he goes to lead the security forces.

>>55384953
Of course. We all know the rules of Star Trek hand-axe etiquette.

>>55384273
How about having just one person, the same person in fact, aim and fire all the phasers? Considering the D had 11 arrays to aim and fire? Maybe if they had an actual fire team instead, they could focus on more than one target at a time.

>>55382207
http://memory-beta.wikia.com/wiki/Glissa
http://memory-beta.wikia.com/wiki/Kwelm

>>55387024
And imagine if they didn't fill the ship with useless shit.

>>55387108

Useless shit? Considering starfleet spends more time doing science/exploring/helping colonies than shooting people, I'd not really call too much useless shit.

>>55387108
>And imagine if they didn't fill the ship with useless shit.
That shit gets a whole lot less useless on five year missions in deep space in total isolation. I'm pissed they chickened out on having TNG be like that.

>>55387138
Arboretum. Dolphin tank. Recreational holodecks. Everything to do with bringing children into unexplored space. Crew quarters the size of mansions.

>>55387275
why would you want another voyager?

>>55387334
We all wanted Voyager to be good.

>>55387279
>Recreational holodecks.
Holodecks would be shown as the incredibly useful research tools they are if the writers had had a clue. It's the apotheosis of the CAD/CAM phase of making stuff, as replicators are the ultimate 3D printer. It's a happy coincidence that these same powerful tools can be used for Space Vidya, much like how desktop computers capable of complex 3D vidya came decades after the first 3D capable unix workstations.

>>55387334
It was the entire point of designing the Galaxy class to be as big and fancy and powerful as it was. They were intended both in and out of universe to be mobile starbases and work for years all by themselves. That's why there were kids along, so that you could take a five year assignment without missing a third of your kid's childhood.

>>55385875
I find it funny how the lighting of the Nebula makes it look like it's blushing.

>>55388478
>B-but Galaxy-senpai, I scan from there!

So has /stg/ made any decent storytiem/fanfic/other media in the while it has existed?

>>55389590
The Ark Royal greentexts chronicle the zany (and mind-numbingly violent) adventures of Dave Innatubes, a /k/ expat roaming the accessways of an Excalibur-class carrier stuffed full of Starfleet's misfits and oddballs...
We also had a pretty good rewrite of ENT going for a few threads, with more of a continuous plot surrounding the beginning of the federation and none of the Suliban/temporal cold war shenanigans...

>>55389590
>>55389746
>The Ark Royal greentexts chronicle the zany (and mind-numbingly violent) adventures of Dave Innatubes, a /k/ expat roaming the accessways of an Excalibur-class carrier stuffed full of Starfleet's misfits and oddballs...
He said good, anon.

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>>55387069
Oh, and there are female Tellarites in STO... but I wouldn't look those up, unless of course you're sick of not having nightmares

>>55389590
Possibly?

We've had little things here and there, characters, ship designs, lore development, but not really so much in the way of decent community projects, drawfags or the like.

>>55389590
There was the story of the Star Fleet equivalent of Beevis and Butthead who got captured by Romulans and escaped into one of their FUCK HUEJ ships and went native. They might have been low end of mediocre engineers by Star Fleet standards but by the reckoning of everyone else they are gods among men.

>>55389746
Space Suit Dave wasn't needlessly violent, he operated on a "leave me along and I leave you alone" standard of behavior. He got along with Chief Engineer Barclay well enough.

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>>55374153
>>55374227
>His smile and optimism: Gone
Memes aside, if you really want to see just how grimdark the zeitgeist of the time had gone, have a look at how successful BSG was just after ENT's funeral. I enjoyed it for the grittiness and the character interactions, but there's no hiding how the tone was very "we're fucked, only the military can save us, democracy and liberty only weakens us, and besides any questionable decisions our leaders make are totally for the greater good. also, something about god's will." to play into the audience of the times' hands.

>>55380190
>Miles "Spoonhead more like Soon Dead" O'Brien
>Kim
Is this a joke?

>>55381114
>significant roles
>mayweather
Clearly he was so significant that Shran still referred to humans as pink-skins for the entire time.

>there will never be a series about Dukat, Damar, Ziyal and co. pirating their way across Klingon space in a captured bird of prey.
Why even live, lads?

>>55387375

That and on a 5 year mission, a Holodeck is essential for basic crew sanity.

>>55393610
Fun fact: during the original five year missions, there were no holodecks or anything even vaguely like them. People got along just fine without them then, they clearly aren't "essential", just really handy.

>>55393777

Fun fact: Magellan's 3 Year Voyage didn't use holodecks either, but it doesn't mean that the crew or Magellan himself had a good time.

>>55393943
Yet, they survived with sanity, so it beats the whole "Holodeck is essential for basic crew sanity" point.

>>55394051
>Yet, they survived with sanity
Well if you call leaving with five ships and 270 men only to return with 1 ship and 18 crew sane I guess so.

>>55393542
I would love a novel or something based on that premise alone.
>When Dukat's crew pops up again they are all wearing Klingon sashes and armour
Based as fuck.

>>55394206
>When Dukat's crew pops up again they are all wearing Klingon sashes and armour
I thought that was a nice touch.

>>55393943
While I'm finding your little back and forth rather amusing with your pal here I'd thought I'd point out that Magellan died halfway through the voyage...

>>55394109
Were those men lost to madness or to weather, illness, natives, etc?

>>55395149
Both.

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>>55393777
If you accept the animated series as canon they actually had something exactly like a holodeck.

>>55376699
I mostly stick to canon ship classes. Starfleet already has more than enough different ships without my adding some new kitbashed monstrosity.

>>55384273
In theory a tactical officer is something that a Starfleet ship should rarely ever need. Not worth having something dedicated to just that twiddling his thumbs most of the time.

Deep Space Nyaa~: what if Bajorans were all stereotypical anime catgirls?

>>55397599
desu most jobs are just twiddling thumbs most of the time. The captain's job is mostly reading and writing reports in his office (one area TNG did pretty well in). The busiest person would be the first officer, who in truth actually runs the ship most of the time. Even the chief engineer wouldn't be terribly busy as long as everything is working well - most of the time the engineers in the shows were just trying experimental stuff to make things work better (which sometimes also caused problems).
I imagine most security guys are also mechanics and plasma conduit scrubbers. Worf also handled communications, as well as organizing the entire training and duty schedules of his department.

>>55397712
You mean Caitians that already exist?

>>55397860
Less furry. More JJTrek Caitian, less TAS Caitian.

>>55391113
Space Suit Dave did not have a kind life.

Can't forget that the reason he went into Innatubes in the first place was because Nausicaan pirates shot him and he dragged his bleeding ass somewhere dark and quiet to die.

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Anyone else watching one of the Cassini live streams?

>>55353990
I made one ages back. Honestly don't know if it ever got popular. Haven't played STO since the Iconians became a thing.

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>>55399260
5 minutes until loss of signal.

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>>55399374
Entering atmosphere.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9OthzX_FzAY

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>>55399399
RIP

>>55399249
Legacy had its problems, but the ship designs were pretty good.

>>55394321
>>Magellan Died.

That's the joke.

The other anon wasn't me, that was my first post on this topic. To point out that crew comforts and better facilities do in fact help the crew.

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>>55400979
I think it's more that holodecks don't help the crew. At least not to the degree that would make up for their cost and the dangers of them fucking up that totally never happens every few years.

It's a level of foolishness second only to taking the kids with you into the deepest depths of the inky black already proven to be full of insane gods and dangerous aliens. Pic related, parents of the year.

Just seen that Modiphius have announced (and released) the first adventure book for Star Trek Adventures on DriveThru. It's called These Are The Voyages, Vol. 1. Just thought I'd post in case anyone was interested.

http://drivethrurpg.com/product/221660/Star-Trek-Adventures-These-are-the-Voyages--Volume-1

Thought id give you guys a heads up.
The tier 5 shipyard is around and tier 5 starbase has been slotted.

>>55401249
You can argue that the risk and expense of running a holodeck is not worth the benefit, and maybe you'd be right. But those things are so fucking fun that nobody wants to propose removing them. There may even be some sort of cushy law in place that decrees recreational holograms to be a utility that Starfleet can't force service members to go without, rather like that insane law that led to the Enterprise-D being full of civilians and children.

>>55401249
Holodecks are absolutely worth the cost, the problem is they're never shown in the show being used to their fullest extent because that doesn't make for as good of a storyline.

>>55404255

Seriously, they have such weaksause hologram programs. "Oh boy we're going white water rafting!" or "Time for some Victorian era tea and crumpets!" Where's the holodeck story where I'm Astrothor the Dragon Wizard fighting off the undead armies of Ghoulidar the Lich God across the Divine Argentium Galaxy?

>>55404363
Not to mention crisis management situations.

"Captain, that ship is critically damaged and there's hundreds of wounded!" "Have all holodecks run Hospital Program 1 and activate the emergency medical programs."

"Those colonists have lost all of their homes, there's now thousands of refugees!" "Convert the holodecks into holographic accommodations for all of them."

>>55402730
Is this the STO fleet starbase? Whats the name? I recently upgraded my PC specs and have gotten back into the game.

>>55404363
Humanity is more evolved, they don't crave violence or flashy destruction. They require mental stimulation and the occasional relaxation program.

>>55404363
Charles Barkley played those and everyone made fun of him for being such a nerd.

>>55404883

You mean Reginald Barkley? There is no Charles Barkley.

And all Reg did was use the holodeck to live out his social fantasies of not being so awkward and inept and to creep on holoTroi.

>>55404363
Speaking of holodeck programs, they're a perfect way to introduce a one-off adventure in an entirely new ruleset and setting. I.e. Your players could take a break from getting rekt by ion storms and go play D&D or Call of Cthulu for awhile. Then, when the holodeck safeties invariably fail and shit gets real, you can have some real fun.

>>55404517
Yup.
Vidya fleets starbase "10 lightyears from Drozana".

>>55404363
Mile O'Brien and Dr. Bashir reenacted historical battles on the holo-suites like the Battle of Britain, the Alamo, and the Battle of Clontarf.

>>55406146
>An Irishman reenacting anything WW2
Disgusting.

>>55406422
Ah now here, if we had to limit ourselves to historically appropriate rp we'd have no fun.

Is there an sci-fi lit/tv that properly captures the feel of Trek? And I don't mean some hack's OC DONUT STEEL Mary Sue horseshit. I mean a story that deals with serious real world issues in a thoughtful manner through approachable and likeable characters.

>>55407256
Babylon 5?

>>55407256
Check out Larry Niven's Draco Tavern. Its about Earth's only interstellar bar.
I also recommend stuff by Peter Watts though his firefly (nothing to do with the show) series is a bit out there with his Sci portion of the Fi
Ian M Bank's Culture series is a must read. At the very least Consider Phlebas is worth a read.

>>55407621
Seen that. Good series too. Shame about Excalibur being dogshit, though. But, in my opinion, Season 4 should should have been the end of it. A completely encapsulated science fiction show, with s satisfying ending.

>>55407669
Been looking into Ian M Banks recently. Would have read his stuff sooner but my brother put me off of it with a pretty scathing review of Algebraist.

>>55407785
They're good books. The earlier books in the series are the best but as they progress they become a bit slower to get through. I believe I read somewhere they he spent years rewriting Use of Weapons over and over and you can see that when reading it. Consider Phlebas and Player of Games though are top notch books. Player of Games blew my mind when I read it the first time.

>>55407669
>>55407785
>Peter Watts
It's firefall, but I'd only recommend you to read the first book.

>Blindsight is absolutely glorious and showers you in cutting edge science and light philosophy(?) while eldritch-yet-not-lovecraftian shit carries you away at a ridiculous pace and hammers home the feeling that there's no rescue coming.

>Echopraxia is about a regular person standing at the edge of a circle trying to understand what the fuck is going on while various post-, trans- and superhumans get completely fucked over by something that's never really explained. Kind of like the reader.

That being said...Blindsight is a brilliant hard sci-fi book, Echopraxia is decent if you can pick up enough to catch what's going on, but I wouldn't recommend them as Trek alternatives. I'd recommend Banks' Culture stuff too, or Stephen Baxter's Xeelee Sequence (Destiny's Children is a good entry point, but skip the first one) for a different take - "It's fucking awful but it's the only way we've managed to survive so far" - on Space Communists, usually of the Stalingrad variety. He's a Brit, though, so it's more about ordinary joes trying to survive and maybe even win rather than famous pioneers daring to venture into the beyond. Very good, though,

Hey /stg/ how would the Federation react to finding out they have several colonies half way across the galaxy?

>>55408121
I agree Blindsight is the better book. The way he comes at the nature of the alien in that is just awesome. I thoroughly enjoyed his notes at the end as he went through his acknowledgements.

>>55408239
Wave hi. Offer assistance but not force them to join.

>>55408239
Adventure idea or is this an episode

>>55409126
Either really. Thinking up stuff that might be encountered farther out with the slipstream drives.

>>55408239
Depends on if there are Cardassians nearby.

>>55407256
I'll thrown in another recommendation for the Culture series. It's interesting to compare and contrast the Culture and Federation. They've got a lot in common, but the Culture follows a moral imperative that's almost the exact opposite of the Prime Directive.

>>55410574
Savage burn. Also missing the point, but you know, whatever.

>>55410674
As much as i love it, it's dangerous to throw around the C-word. In some ways their universe has a lot more imagination in terms of possibilities - in a lot of ways trek is held down by rules established by the ToS - and i suppose nobody had the budget to think about megastructures in the trek universe.

Though, encountering a Dyson/Ringworld/orbital/halo type structure could make for a pretty good ongoing plot for a game.

>>55374152
I really badly wanted season 5 of enterprise
I wanted to see punished archer become the man from the future and the romulan war plot
I really like characters who go through a lot of crap and change over time

>>55408239
Are they pre or post Federation colonies? Do they have any interest in working with the Federation? Is there any easy way for Starfleet to reach these colonies?

>>55413670

One of the saddest episodes in terms of wasted potential was when the Enterprise D finds a Dyson sphere...

and the only noteworthy thing about it is that they rescure Scotty from statis aboard a ship that had crashed on the surface.

That's it, that's all they do, and then the rest of the episode is devoted to dealing with the man out of time, and how all his vaunted engineering knowledge is completely out of date.

>>55415172

I honestly really like that episode. It struck a cord with me, having known a few old experts who ended up unable to keep up with the changes in their own expertise.

The Dyson Sphere was wasted but it was a good episode.

>>55415172
I think it's another case of Star Trek writers not being able to into numbers.

The discovery of such a megastructure would not change the political game in the Alpha Quadrant it would completely destroy it. that Dyson Sphere had enough room to house every citizen of the UFP, Klingon Empire, Romulan Empire, Cardassian Union and shit loads of other lesser neighbours with considerable room to spare.

And I don't think they asked in that episode the big questions "who built it", "how did they build it", "where the fuck did they get this much material from" and "why did they build it".

Instead they decided to take the ship with 1,000 men, women and for some reason children on it right up to and opening in the Sphere, bombarded it in active sensor signals and then acted surprised when it reacted and nearly killed everyone.

Also a door the size of Madagascar can be physically wedged open by a semi-derelict late 23rd century space boat the size of a Boeing 747.

>>55415728
I know STO reused that specific Dyson Sphere, having it travel to the Delta Quadrant for "reasons".

>>55416902
Also it's made by the Iconians... for reasons... I swear, it makes sense. The writing staff aren't just doing a bunch of drugs and then rewatching random episodes of TNG to come up with ideas.

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>>55418176
At least it's about a menacing alien, threat and not about bullshit time travel again. Right?

>>55418749
Well, a menacing alien threat that you end up stopping by using time travel.

>>55419006
That same time travel also caused all the problems, too!

>>55419006
>>55419033
Say what you like about the Iconian War arc, but the way it ended was suitably Trek-y.

New mission when?

>>55419523
Because I'm paranoid, new mission now:

>>55419926
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