Competitive Modern General

>No cute girl to sit on your face while she calls you a naughty burn player

>>55328062
I know a cute girl who'd probably sit on my face, but she has no interest in MTG ;_;

>>55328062
>no girl to start complaining about gender politics because she doesn't care about magic but her boyfriend wants to play

>>55328062
What does she do if I'm a midrange control player?

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fuck tron in all its forms

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Dumb question but I'm an idiot who's only played aggro decks before, if someone casts something like doom blade on a creature I have and in response I give it protection to black would the doomblade kill it or would the creature live?

That rg shitballs deck looked fun. Is it decent?

>>55328161
They kill it and get to tear your card into pieces.

>>55328161
Doomblade wouldn't kill it

>>55328165
It's a memebrew you figure it out

>>55328161
it will still die because doomblade says nonblack, sorry sweetie

>>55328161
It lives

if we're asking dumb questions, if I sacc something and multiple cards have a "sacc card" do they all get the benefit of me sacrificing that card?

>>55328161
As long as you respond to the doomblade being cast then you can save your creature

>>55328161
>if I give a card protection from black is it immune to a black spell

am I missing something

>>55328178
>>55328180
>>55328186
ty kind anons I'm a red aggro retard trying to reform

>>55328199
I think he's asking if he can do it in response to the spell being cast

Wrong thread for this but is anyone else thinking of building a Door to Nothingness deck from the new Treasure tokens in Ixalan?

>>55328231
I once let my friend actually activate the door and used reroute, pretty funny.

>>55328307
That's awesome.
How much rage resulted from that?

>>55328216
Yeah, I was looking around for new ideas and wanna make something like this since its only like $60 for casual play.

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/youre-playing-black/

>>55328183
Nah
You choose which card to activate then sac to that specific card and only get said cards effect
Any "when a creature dies" will go off tho

>>55328511
Okay thanks, I just remember reading that in some old guide and I was confused about that for a while.

>>55328165
memer here, i havent actually played it but it's based off a meme, probably want another bird and cut raging ravine.

I just sold all my collection for about $18k. I had all blue old duals, and lots of staple cards. I still preserved my Merfolk deck(both modern and legacy versions) , because it was always my favorite one.

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>>55328165
I've seen a similar deck before, it's ok. Try adding this thing

>>55328630
Nice blog

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>>55328045
Karn?

What can I replace craterhoof with in mono green coco elves?

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>>55328630
dont forget your 1099 fucker

>>55328753
You're a big mana deck

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>>55328827
+4 you

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>>55328885

>>55328885
If I pull that counter off will you die?

>>55328771
Try decimator of the province

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>>55328062
F

>>55328062
F

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>>55328062
>No cute girl to restrain and discipline with your prison deck
>No cute robot girl to Stony Silence
>No cute burn girl to Firewalk with
>No cute Eldrazi girl to mindrape you with Thotknots and pound your butt with Reality Smashers
>No cute Ad Nauseam girl that throws her entire deck at your face while cackling like a mad scientist
>No cute sadomasochist girl who slaps your ass hard with Death's Shadow
>No cute girl to Grapeshot all over her face
>No cute Bant Spirits girl that always finds a way to help you no matter how inconvenient it is for her

>>55328062
I mean, I'm sure my gf would be very much into this - hell, she's even a dirty controlfag, but I don't play burn.

Aye I got an Hour of Devistaton fat pack for 5 dollars and I pulled 3 God-Pharaoh's Gifts. Is there a moderatly good modern deck using this thing?

>>55329853
>7 mana artifact
No.

>>55329853
anything's possible with UrzaTron, my friend.

>>55329853
https://youtu.be/D71aQp0UonQ
Good luck bringing it into Modern though, it's too slow.

>>55329853
>Hour of Devistaton fat pack for 5 dollars

How

>>55329972
prolly store credits
>>55329853
no modern yet, it's pretty good in standard tho

>>55329909
I can't stand his voice. It's fine with CC, but god, I thought MaRo was bad to listen to.

>>55329972
I had many coupons my friend.

Best tier 1 or 2 deck $700 dollars or less? Should I just buy affinity already?

>>55330380
If you like winning, buy Affinity.

>>55329882
>>55329853
Refurbish is a possibility, but it's a T3 clock at the quickest. Sure it combos with looting creatures, but Dredge is probably just better considering how resilient it is.
Maybe it will work, but I have nothing to be reasonably optimistic about.

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Why are merfolk players salty when their tier 3 garbage gets rekt by an Eldrazi homebrew? Discuss.

>>55328183
>>55328161
Competitive modern general. >asks basic rules questions

>>55330777
Dun wurreh. I'll start the casual general next weekend, like i've been meaning too. Weekend generals should help do some containment. That plus GA's infrequent threads should help the random misc. threads popping up to

>>55330698
Merfolk have this weird fish fetish where they think their deck is good but it's carried by Spreading Seas

>>55330698
I like how you took the time to black out your name but still managed to miss a spot

Why was Bloodbraid Elf banned?

>>55331272
Because it's stupidly overpowered in Jund.
The ability to cascade into a Liliana is just plain dumb.

>>55331304
Doesn't seem any more broken than Tron casting Karn on turn 3

>>55331304
I remember playing against bb elf on a bw tokens list. Opponent casted it and cascaded into a maelstrom pulse and wiped my board. Never before had such rage filled my being.

>>55331304
Cascade was a mistake.

Anything from IMA you're looking forward to?

>>55331384
I like the new cryptic art. I might build titan shift some time, but my expectation is that scapeshift will increase more than titan will decrease in price, so it's not going to get any cheaper overall.

>>55331334
Decks don't exist in a vacuum, anon
At the time when BBE was in Jund, the deck was simply put, just too efficient

>>55331375
Seriously, why did they think it was a good idea? Free spells are rarely balanced.

Bloodbraid Elf was banned because Wizards didn't want to admit that a new card needed to be banned you stupid cucks.

>>55329756
Too bad she's not cute.

>>55328630
Hello Professor, how's that depression treating you?

I Player a rakdos burn deck. I play a stomping ground Main for my destructive revelvry side. Should i go 4-color for path against tron or just play molten Rain?

>>55332653
I've tried a couple variations of 4color Burn, and I wouldn't recommend it. Your lands end up killing you faster than you kill your opponent and you end up with some really rough hands. For instance: you have your lands set up for rgw and top deck Bump in the Night or a similar situation. What's your list?

>>55332653
Burn is too fast of a deck to run more than 3 colors. Naya is popular, but Boros is more manageable.

Should I get Burn? Is is satisfying to play?
I play Ad Nauseam now, but the "one-list-for-all" and no flex spots irritiaties me

>>55333097
Burn has about 3 viable variations, and it comes down to colors used. You can go R, WG or WRG but those decks are pretty set in stone as well. R has blood Moon, WG has Boros Charm and Lightning Helix, WRG has Wild Nacatl and Atarka's command. The rest of the deck is always the same.

>>55331272
Because Deathrite Shaman was overpowered and they banned the wrong card

>>55333097
It's hard to find a deck in modern that isn't mostly solved for 50/60 deckslots. Burn lists will generally have basically the exact same mainboard and 10/15 same sideboard cards

>>55333097
I'm satisfied playing Burn it's a solid deck that acts as a policing force keeping weak decks out of the format. (That's not to say I dont like weak decks or am shitting on brews, but I'm saying your deck HAS to beat Burn 50% of games to have any reasonable chance.) It also generates just enough salt where I can act smug on the inside while being a good sport outside. I recommend it.

>>55333201
Not to sound like an ass, but most Burn lists don't play Nacatl any more, as it gets out-classes by Death's Shadow, and the subsequent drop in creature density caused people to drop Atarka's Command for the most part. You still see some number as Skullcrack #5+, but it's not as common as it was.

>>55333298
People stopped playing nacatl burn before Death's Shadow rose up

>>55333298
Naya burn is not used as much anymore, but I still felt it deserved the mention.

>>55333298
>>55333330
>>55333201

So fa/tg/uys, what is a must have in Burn? I mean, I don't want to start all in. I mean, I know Eidolons are pricy, but are a must have. Any good starting list? No clue about which one (R, RW, or GWR) to pick

>>55333375
Goblin Guides and Eidolons are the priciest part but also a must. Start with those in monored and you can add white first then green

>>55333298
Is running on topdeck annoyance? Because it smells like it.

>>55333375
You always use Lightning Bolt, lava Spike, Goblin Guide. Rift Bolt in any deck.

>>55333375
4x lightning bolt
4x lava spike
4x Rift bolt
4x Searing blaze
4x Skullcrack
4x Goblin Guide

This is your shell for any burn deck.

>>55333454
guttersnipe?

>>55333375
>>55333390
You can get away without Goblin Guides at first, but they're 90% required to be your first upgrade. You can sub Spark Elemental or Mogg Fanatic in that slot if you're on a tight budget. No, it's not great, but it'll do.

>>55333454
To add to this
4x Monastery Swiftspear
4x Eidolon of the Great Revel (Hellspark Elemental or Keldon Marauders if on a budget)
2x Flames of the Blood Hand (Stand in for Boros Charm.)
2x Shard Volley
18x Mountains
2x Teetering Peaks (basically pump spells)

Then upgrade as needed. It shouldn't be too expensive; this was basically my list when I started playing 3 ish years ago.

>>55333543
Usually not, too epxensive and doesn't do enough to justify the cost.

>>55333543
too slow. 'snipe is good for kitchen table when your chaing treasure cruises off it, but in every conceivable event, i would prefer to top deck a bolt

>>55333548
I never like to put taplands in a burn deck.

>>55333599
>>55333578
fair enough
im but a mere kitchen table scrub

Modern is shit
You're all tryhard scrubs that are either too poor for legacy or too boring for a fun format.
Go masturbate to competitive tier lists.

>>55333649
Don't you want to be the Kitchen King? Where's your ambition?

>>55333638
That's cool and understandable. It worked well for me when I was starting out, so I suggested it . Think of it like like a one mana pump spell you cast on turn 3 or 4 for free.

>>55333660
https://www.mtggoldfish.com/archetype/modern-eldrazi-tron-26966#paper
Look at this shit
Your win con is fucking Karn
You spent 900 dollars on this deck and your wincon is just exiling things with an expensive planeswalker. If you've ever built this shit you're just a boring fucking person that's bad at games. Not necessarily MtG, but life in general.

>>55333680
oh I do have my I win now deck
its just not that one
its my fuck you turn 4 emerkul coalition victory deck

>>55333695

what's jund's wincon, anon

>>55333704
actually turn 3 emerkul

>>55333757
nobody cares about that tier 4 deck anymore

>play D&T
>btfo all the shitters with tron and burn decks
>can almost see the tears on their eyes
Feels good man

I just wanna beat tron, I'm so sick of that deck. Is Jund the best way?

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>>55328101
No woman will touch you if you're playing correctly

>>55333867
Blood Moon all day erry day,

>>55333780

I'm sure his point was that Jund and ETron don't really need wincons and can just win by outvaluing the opponent

I mean, I play ETron with 4 endbringers and no karn a

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>>55333887
>He still thinks Blood Moon beats Tron

How much do you care about matching your land art? I mostly play budget with s much basic lands as possibe and like to use the Kamigawa panoramas, but I know people who use white borders and legacy lands lumped together and it grinds my gears.

boys whats the name of that red card thats like destroy target artifact for each time it was kicked with multikicker for R i literally cannot find this on gatherer

>>55334020
I think that in a format where discard spells are prevalent that not matching your basics is giving away information. If you don't you should be careful to remember which cards your opponent has seen so you're not playing a land they don't know about with different art that they might notice (I like to hold my revealed cards upside down in my hand)

>>55334020
I dont really care that much. I know people talk about things like. "What if your opponent knows you have land A, and you top deck land B, play land B, then they know you still have land A in your hand and you're giving them free informations. Etc." But these situations affect like, less than 5% of games. Only relevant in the highest levels of play.

At the same time, some people play mismatched lands on purpose to tilt their opponents. A friend of mine plays UW Control and tried to purposefully mismatch his lands as much as possible just for this effect. All different basics, old/new/expedition fetches, etc. We laugh together after his games all the time.

>>55334096
Shattering Spree, it has replicate which is probably why you couldn't find it

As an aside, what are the best lands to upset your opponent?

>>55334102
>At the same time, some people play mismatched lands on purpose to tilt their opponents. A friend of mine plays UW Control and tried to purposefully mismatch his lands as much as possible just for this effect
If you think that giving away free information affects less than 5% of games how can you even hold the opinion that this tactic could possibly be effective at all?

>>55334151
People hate playing against players with mismatched lands.

>>55334185
Your juvenile "tilting" tactic just makes people think you're an idiot and doesn't actually affect the game

Is this a good base for Burn and FNM/MODO league viable?

4x Goblin guide
4x monastery swiftspear
4x Vexing Devil
4x Eidolon of the great Revel
2x Grim lavamancer

Spells (24)
4x lightning bolt
4x lava spike
4x Rift bolt
4x Searing blaze
4x Skullcrack
2x Flames of the Blood hand
2x Shard volley

Lands (18)
18x Mountain

Sideboard (15)
2x Volcanic Fallout
2x Molten Rain
2x Rending Volley
4x Smash to Smithereens
3x Blood Moon
2x Dragon's Claw

>>55334306
Your main board is pretty good, though I'm personally not a fan of Lavamancer. Your side needs more answers though.

>>55333454
>>55333548
So I'm starting playing on xmage, is this list complete for burn? What about the sideboard?

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>>55333787
>be on mono-red tron
>mfw D&T shitters play into your maindeck pyroclasms

> Playing Ad Nauseam against some sort of G/R/U Scapeshift
> Win one, lose one, last match, trying to grind through the counters, he finally taps out for Scapeshift, Angel's Grace as he does and he can't counter, but he will kill me on his next turn
> My turn, Lotus Bloom, play Grace, Spoils of the Vault looking for Ad Nauseam
> 2 cards exiled, my only copies of lightning storm and Lab Man

Thank you for reading my blog. Anyone else had some comical loses to your own deck or stupidity?

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>>55334590
>mono-red tron

>>55333548
Teetering Peaks needs a swapping for Runamap Ruins these days, and along with Bloodhand you have Exquisite Firecraft or even Collective Defiance

>>55334202
>thinking this isn't a game played by juveniles
When in rome nigga

>>55334306
-2 Vexing Devil
-1 Searing Blaze
-1 Skullcrack

+1 Mountain (Rruins if you can get one)
+2 Titan's Strength
+1 Exquisite Firecraft

>>55334149

white bordered

>>55334865
Good suggestions. For as often as mono red burn, and budget deck in general, get talked about around here, we really should just make our own tapped out account with /modern/ approved deck lists. Maybe keep it in the OP or post it when people ask about budget decks.

So reading lasts threads, some guy suggested this deck as a good budget deck for modern
https://www.mtggoldfish.com/deck/361505#paper
The thing is that I have a playset of swiftspears and a friend can lend me a playset of lightning helix and paths. This is the deck I made
https://deckstats.net/decks/44776/806307-budget-burn
Still needs to make the sideboard tho but right now, is a good, as good a budget deck can be, deck? What are some must need upgrades? Eidolons or Guides? Also some suggestions for the sideboard?

>>55335754
Your list isn't too bad, solid and direct. However, i do have a couple criticisms. First, I think you have too few white sources for helix. If you can't get Sacred Foundry, consider Inspiring Vantage or Clifftop Retreat. Second, i dont think you can support 4 Searing Blaze with only 18 lands. There will be times where you need 2 damage and rip Blaze and not have a land in hand. Consider -1 Searing Blaze, +1 Mountain.

Your upgrade path should probably be Goblin Guides> Eidolon> Lands to support RW > Boros Charm and sideboard options.

This is Modern but it's a relevant rules change

With Iconic Masters Magus of the Moon reprint they're changing how lands with "As X enters the battlefield" abilities work (Shock Lands, Dark Depths, Etc) when a Blood Moon effect is out.

Now you can play your Shocklands untapped into a blood moon and not get shocked, Dark Depths without its counters, Cavern of Souls you don't get to name anything.

>>55332614
kek

>>55336278
I'm ok with this, I always thought it was dumb you would get damage for something considered a basic mountain.

A lot of people at my lgs play death and taxes with Eldrazi shit. I need some cards that hose them. I hate fucking thought knot and reality smasher, and their shitlord utility lands.

>>55336278
Wait, so if you remove the moon, depths instantly gives you the token and cavern of souls is useless?

Can you respond to self sacrifice effects like Selfless Spirit or Sakura Tribe Elder by killling the creature? Would this stop the effect from happening? The creature still dies.

>>55337162
No, sacrificing the creature is part of the cost of the ability and can't be responded to.

>>55337212
That's lame. Could you theoretically Stifle the ability? Not a modern legal card obviously.

>>55336277
How many white mana sources do you think I should have? 2 more or a playset of Inspiring Vantage or Clifftop Retreat? Also thanks for the suggestions
It's good to see that this general still has friendly anons because the last time I was here, nearly a year ago, trying to get in the format with a budget deck some guys just told me to fuck off

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>>55337571

yeah, you can

>>55334149
Mismatched white bordered, autists seem to really hate them.

>>55337571
>>55337645
Pithing Needle, Phyrexian Revoker, Squelch, Disallow, and Trickbind also work.

>>55337588
Yeah. This general has good days and bad days. I'm just one of those people who like helping people get into the format any way they can.

I think 7 white sources should be sufficient, and since they're also red sources there's very little downside. If you're still having trouble, you can have more, but I probably wouldn't run less. You can also think about it another way: I'm playing RWg Burn. I have 3 sacred foundry, 11 fetch lands, and need to support 4 Lightning Helix and 4 Boros Charm. Each of those fetch lands count as a colored source. So in total, I have 14 white sources to support 8 white cards.

How trustworthy is ebay for cards?

http://www.ebay.com/itm/MTG-Magic-The-Gathering-Cards-4x-Thoughtseize-Theros-NM-/202051214916?hash=item2f0b30de44:g:UMsAAOSw-EBZtAuS

>>55334306
-2 lavamancer
-1 shard volley
-2 flames
+1 mountain
+4 shrine of burning rage

-3 blood moon
-2 rending volley
+1 dragon's claw
+2 searing blood
+1 molten rain
+1 relic of progenitus

Is cruel edict good sideboard card or is geths verdict always better. I already have devour flesh as well. Just trying to figure out which to keep in sideboard.

>>55338234
Which deck? I'd run Devour Flesh atm just for Shadow.

>>55338242
Infect. Does well at my lgs bcuz I don't play often.

>>55338275
Yeah well Devour is easier on the manas as well.

>>55338275
I'm running 4 devour flesh and want to know which I should 3 of edict or verdict.

>>55338210
like these are probably fake, right?

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Thoughtseize-1x-foil-Theros-MTG-4x-available-/253142644876?hash=item3af07a388c:g:F5IAAOSw3uBZsvwL

>>55338296
there's fake foils?

>>55338335
I'm sure. Seems too good to be true.

>>55338296
They look real to me, but judging by the way it is written he is selling each individual Thoughtsieze for $43, not the whole playset.

>>55338224
I'm still not entirely sure about the shrine, I can't help but think it won because no one expected it.

>>55338399
alright well now they're just overpriced lol

>>55338335

Nope. Those are 43$ each

>>55338210
Depends on seller, always check feedback

>>55338407
Even if they do expect it, it requires a very specific answer (K-command, Needle, decay) and gives you incredible reach. Against other aggressive decks (say the mirror, Affinity, coco combo decks) it wins the game on its own, allowing you to use your bolts as please don't kill me's. Regular Burn has a better goldfish and sideboard options (including a Path for the mirror's Firewalker), so Shrine somewhat mitigates your lacking those.

>tfw visit an PCS to play some modern
>employee keeps asking me to show up with my brew and shake up the fnm meta
Why do I feel like this store has a bad playerbase?

What's better for general non combo control? Serum Visions or Opt

>>55338655
A split. You want Serum on turn 1 and in topdeck wars to see more cards but Opt in between when keeping up mana.

>>55338655


Opt. Instant-speed is key when you have to leave mana open

>>55338655
Depends on the type of control, I guess. US is more proactive and probably wants semen visions to see more cards. Esper draw-go probably wants opt by virtue of being an instant. But I'm talking out of my ass.

Opt makes Delver much better in Modern, right? Assuming you weren't ACTUALLY relying on a slow AF flip off Visions.

>>55338703

Scrying 2 after drawing allows you to set up your delver flip better, but opt is alright I guess

>>55338703
Turn 1 Serum Visions probably sets it up better than Turn 1 Opt assuming you're going for that over a Turn 1 Delver.

Probably still want to run both

>>55338703
Can't really make that which does not exist better.

>>55328045
im brewing A UW deck that uses stuff like oblivion ring and detention sphere to lock up their shit while i beat in with artifact stuffs.

its all in planning but it think i should get some man lands for it.

>>55338732
Eldrazi Tribal became an alright deck when Oath came out.

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>>55336881
When the blood moon is destroyed the "mountain" turns back into Dark Depths and gives you the token, but not when you play Dark Depths.

>>55338723
>>55338730
The issue is that you really can't rely on Visions setting up Delver because it's just too damn slow. And if you're going T1 Visions to set up a T3 flip, you have to leave both on top negating the "upside" to Visions, and you have to not crack fetches in the meantime. Doesn't seem very good to me senpaitachi.

What Opt does for Delver is do a similar job to Visions but it lets you play at instant speed, which is what the deck wants to do most of the time.

>>55338793
You can't really make that which does not exist better.

Oh unless it's THAT deck, in which case I'll just move these here goalposts.

>>55338758
Yeah but the non-existent deck didn't become better, it just started to exist as tier S from the get go.

>>55336278
>>55336881
>>55338784
Why is Dark Depth banned? Why must all the cool things I want to play be banned.

>>55338848
>Thespian's Stage
>Solemnity
>Probably a fuck ton of other things

>>55338848
Legacy decks that use it are super fun and tricky. It's banned in modern less for being stupidly powerful but more because it isn't the kind of magic that people want to play when it comes to Modern. Besides, if it was legal the all-in deck would probably suck and the side combo would be pretty out of the way, except maybe with solemnity?

>>55338884
Your point?

>>55338967
It's too easy to get Marit Lage out, and cards like Wasteland and Swords aren't in every deck.

>But muh Path!

Path sees far less play in Modern than Swords does in Legacy, and Swords is only one of the answers to it.

>>55338848
Because it's stupidly broken with vampire hexmage and land removal isn't that great in modern

>>55339007
Every deck that runs white in Modern runs Path and having your deck instantly lose to every deck with white in it makes the deck bad. Plus Ghost Quarter and TecEdge are seeing more play since Tron is so prevalent.

>>55339007
>>55339056
>wahh it's too powerful pls ban
Because who wants cool and powerful cards in a game, right?

Magic is a casual game where luck decides if you lose or win, might as well have some fun.

>>55339066
I'm not asking for Dark Depths to be banned though. I don't need to :^)

>>55339066
>Magic is a casual game where luck decides if you lose or win
Then how come the best players can consistently win?

>>55339169
Then how come the best players can lose against shitty ones?

>>55339066
So play a format where depths is allowed?

>>55338959
This sculpted format horseshit needs to go and stay go forever. Wizards should just let nature run its course and only ban after something is proven to be opressive and the meta can't adjust into a new, valid state to accomodate it.

>>55339208
Good players consistently losing to bad players doesn't happen, the key word being consistency. Obviously there's an element of luck but it's not that decides the majority of games. You clearly never played competitive magic and should stop posting retarded shit.

>>55338655
Storm players. Considering how much WotC hates Storm, do you think that Wizards will ban Opt, or will Storm not care too much?
I don't want to purchase any if they're going to just get banned anyways.

>>55339286
They wont ban Opt they are going to ban either Gifts Ungiven or Past in Flames if they do ban something. Which they most likely will if the deck gets even slghtly better. May even just finally ban Grapeshot.

>>55339382
I ask because I'm considering swapping Serum Visions for Opt in UW Spirits. I want my deck to function at instant speed and the opportunity cost for Serum Visions sometimes urks me in situations where I need to draw threats or resources. Maybe I should add one more land to prevent screw, but then I just end up drawing nothing but lands. because it seems like my deck hates me.
I do notice that I seem to empty my hand too quickly while also not having many creatures. I also struggle against decks that have better creature boards and could use a one-sided sweeper. It's probably that I just suck and I don't alter my playstyle properly from Tempo to Control and vice versa.

>>55338655
If you play 1 mana counters, opt is always better.

>>55339483
Yes if you want to do things during your opp turn then you always want opt.

>>55339483
>I do notice that I seem to empty my hand too quickly while also not having many creatures
That's because running cantrips instead of creatures. Opt doesn't net you more cards the way something like Collected Company does.

>I also struggle against decks that have better creature boards
Allow me to introduce you to my Lord and Saviour, Nebelgast Herald, and his friend, Moorland Haunt. I have won many games I did not deserve to win because of those cards.

Is there a shell I can play with artifact ramp into Wildfire?

>>55339274
In a non casual game, the superior player won't actually ever lose if he's significantly better than his opponent. I'm sorry you can't accept your game has too much randomness to be truly competitive.

>>55339707
Yeah, look at Chandra torch of defiance and koth.

Mind stone is strong, and so are signets in the colors you want. You can also use things with >5 toughness or pro red

>>55339752
>Izzet Signet
>Master of Waves
Fucking did it lads.

>>55339274
>it's okay if you only lose one time out of 10 against a shit player

>>55339713
What is your example of an actual competitive game? Upsets happen all the time in sports and other games.

>>55339768
Bruh that shit could be insane

>>55339797
>Spreading Seas
WE GOT A DECK GOING HERE

>>55339836
+2 Electrolyze
+4 Bolt
+3 Snapcaster

We're doing it lads.

>>55339884
>>55339836
>>55339768
Master of Waves itself has Pro-red, not the tokens.

>>55339786
>good players losing to bad ones in chess ever unless they aren't playing seriously

Does rishjar stack with naga vitalist or Druid of the cowl?

Also, can anyone point me to a good rhonas/ramp deck?

>>55340229
Wrong general.

>>55328183

actually I too have a question

>vizier of the menagerie lets me look at the top card any time
>opponent instant murders it or some shit

Do I get to look at the card first or do I have to wait for him to respond

>>55340238

Neck yourself, sweetums. We magic now

>>55340272
vizier lets you look at the top card of your deck at any time. "any time" means that the action does not use the stack in anyway. In your example, your opponent can not respond to you looking at your deck and you do not have to place the ability on the stack to view your deck. you can just do it any time so long as vizier is there.

>>55340321
yea but your in the modern general, get tothe standard general.

>>55340148
and yet there are upsets in chess

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/chicken-soup-for-soul-sisters/

Building a soul sisters deck, max budget around 250, any recs?

>>55338959
>never played against thopter depths.
Oh the horrors of that deck

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>>55339707
EMINENT
DOMAIN

>>55341049
>Blue Mwonvuli Acid Moss
I'm listening.

Is there a deck based around getting a ton of ramp and then destroying all lands with Armageddon or something similar?

>>55341461
GR Ponza, doesn't play Armageddon though because why would you want to ramp out all your own lands then destroy them?

>>55341484
Doesn't blow up Utopia Sprawl though ;^)

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>>55341489

>>55338736
That's really interesting, actually.

>>55341503
>1 for 1 removal then winning with manlands
No it sounds pretty awful desu senpai.

>>55341524
That's a strong point, actually.

>>55341579
It'd be even stronger if I pointed out that your "removal" is all 3 mana.

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Who /merfolkfetish/ here? Imo too many people think this is either better or worse then Kira. I think it's different and will try 1/1 and more in an with all the fucking removal around nowadays

>>55341615
It's only better against Abrupt Decay and that's literally it

>>55341615
>>55341674
I think it plays totally different from Kira in total, just for resource management and how boned your opponent is on lands. If only you could force some winter orb/rishadan port effects in modern, if would make this merfolk a must

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>>55330698
Hi stan

>>55341824
Often cards are more important than mana by the time this comes down. Your opponent will already have spent their removal spells, making their path cost 2W on turn 4 is not really a huge deal, making them spend two cards to kill your protection is.

>>55330698
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gOMhN-hfMtY

>>55341935
Yeah, in a typical modern magic sense, but if you could bottle neck their lands to 2-3 mana per turn, but that takes some land destruction or stax effects business going on

>>55342141
Probably better in Legacy due to the availability of Port and Wasteland and the prevalence of abrupt decay

>>55342173
That's what I'm thinking. This is not a modern magic card and doesn't belong in the format as is

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So I kind of mashed together 2 Ponza builds.
Any feedback? This is the first deck I ever "built" so please be gentle.

2 Inferno Titan
1 Wurmcoil Engine
1 Stormbreath Dragon
1 Acidic Slime
1 Thragtusk
3 Bonfire of the Damned
4 Tireless Tracker
3 Huntmaster of the Fells
4 Blood Moon
4 Stone Rain
4 Mwonvuli Acid-Moss
2 Chandra, Torch of Defiance
4 Utopia Sprawl
4 Arbor Elf
1 Birds of Paradise

1 Kessig Wolf Run
4 Wooded Foothills
4 Windswept Heath
3 Stomping Ground
8 Forest
1 Mountain

SB: 2 Ancient Grudge
SB: 1 Fracturing Gust
SB: 1 Stormbreath Dragon
SB: 2 Anger of the Gods
SB: 2 Trinisphere
SB: 1 Thrun, the Last Troll
SB: 1 Relic of Progenitus
SB: 3 Kitchen Finks
SB: 2 Primal Command

>>55342257
Honestly it's probably better just to pick one and try it out rather than mash them together. Especially if you're not really experienced with deckbuilding.

>>55342310
Probably yes, but I really want to play both Tracker and Bonfire and couldn't find a list so I decided to try at least.

Hey guys, I've been looking up tons of stuff for Moden Esper Control, and I can't quite seem to make up a list that satisfies me. I want the card discard for my opponent, but a lot of lists seem to avoid IoK for fatal push. Also how viable is celestial colonnade as a win condition now in modern with fatal push and stuff floating around?
Any ideas on how many colonnades I should run if I do decide to put them in as a win con?

>>55342310
>>55342363
I played a a lot with all 3 versions but I have a hard time evaluating which list is the best in a diverse meta.

>>55342457
Having never played with the deck I would probably err on the side of Bonfire. Tracker is really only better in a metagame fill of grindy decks.

>>55342393
This is the list I run: https://pastebin.com/58nPbtcq

Maindeck discard isn't where you want to be in a pure control strategy. Without a reliable clock of some kind (Goyf, Geist, even Nahiri), when your opponent goes into topdeck mode, your discard spells become dead draws.

I would run 4 Colonnades in a 26 land no Serum Visions build, or 3 Colonnades in a 25 pand build with Visions. In many matchups it's not a good win-con at all, but it's worth it just to be able to two hit Shadow players after eating their hands with Esper Charm.

>>55342257
Here's some feedback from someone who's played the deck for a while and put in a respectable showing at a GP with it.

>Huntmaster is not your friend
>Tireless Tracker has no synergy with your deck
>Garruk Wildspeaker is the fucking nuts
>Primal Command is incredible mainboard tech against so many decks
>Chandra Flamecaller can and will win games
>Chandra Torch of Defiance is not as good in the deck as you've been led to believe
>It isn't possible to keep a 2 lander with Kessig Wolf Run in

>>55342562
Wow thanks that's a lot of stuff to consider.

>>55342194
Do you play merfolk? Not being a dick just wondering. There are often times when you need a lord to literally not die for a turn to end the game and this helps as much as Kira in those situations where they have 2 or less untapped lands. I think a common misconception about merfolk and modern in general is that opponent always has a bunch land to tap but thats often not the case. the tax is real and this being a merfolk pulls it closer to Kira than people think. (I still think Kiras better but am certainly planning on running this as a 1 of along wit her).

>>55342562
>>55342484
>>55342310
What do you guys think of Beast Within and Obstinate Baloth?
I don't like either, especially Baloth but a lot of lists are running them.

>>55342766
Guy who hasn't played Ponza here. An important part of card evaluation is understanding what cards are going to do in your deck. Baloth is a good sideboard card for Burn or Liliana decks but a 4 mana 4/4 isn't going to do you much good outside of that. Beast Within is fine for trouble permanents you might not be able to get rid of otherwise, planeswalkers come to mind, but your deck is so favored against BGx and the UW planeswalker decks that need to get to the late game that it doesn't seem necessary

>>55342751
I play a bit. Merfolk is an agro/tempo deck right? Usually if merfolk swim they win at turn 4/5 with not much topdeck bombs except Master of Waves. Agains other decks, they get either get chipped apart or overall bombed by things like U/W control or Tron if they don't go fast enough in which the lordship is only for clocking against no blockers. Against most abzan/grixis/BUG control midrange decks, the spot removal might be pinched more, but I think they have an edge.

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My battlefield
>neat
>cards are organized and orderly

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>>55343004

Their battlefield
>messy
>cards haphazardly strewn about

This shit drives me crazy

>>55343004
>>55343022
what is driving me crazy is what the fuck are you playing?

>>55343198
Magic: The Gathering.

>Ban Street Wraith
>Ban Spirit Guide
>Ban Tron
MMGA

>>55341524
>>55341579
i was also thinking of using taxing effects (trinisphere, Magus of the tabernacle) pacifying effects (arrest, pacifisim) and general stuff that tries to fuck with your opponents shit like render silent and (if i get to the mana) dovin baan, i want to see how well he would do, im all willing to take him out in favor of someone better though.

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This is what ADULTERY looks like kids

>>55343198
looks like MTG

>>55343198
Looks like a bizarre draft

>>55343339
I'm 97.5% sure LSV is divorced at this point as well.

>>55343198
i dunno about you but i'd say a rather thrilling version of solitaire.

>>55343339
This isn't the first time that LSV has piggy-backed off of someone else's success, let's be honest.

>>55343359
They're both divorced. They both divorced at the same time.

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>>55339636
I'm considering Nebelgast Herald. Moorland Haunt has always been there for me to salvage. Pumps up my Wanderer, too.
I run Serum Visions because I need to do something on turn 1 if I have no Wanderer. Serum Visions is great in the early game since it sets up my draws and allows me to keep land-light hands, and in the late game it cycles. In the midgame it's awkward because if I play it I may not be able to play something else when I need to.
What are some good 1 drops? Figure of Destiny doesn't appeal to me due to lack of synergy. Topplegeist is way too situational. Judge's Familiar doesn't synergize tribewise.
I know that Tribal decks have around 28-32 tribal cards, but UW Spirits only fills that quota in the sideboard. Mainboard usually has counterspells.
Looking on Gatherer, the cards that look interesting are:
>Aether Shockwave (unless Cryptic Command drops severely in price or can find a better boardwipe that isn't too painful)
>Essence Flux (ETB trigger abuse)
>Midnight Haunting (I need instant speed and I am not willing to splash Black for Lingering Souls)
>Moonlit Strider (can recover dead Spirits while protecting my own; costs 4 mana, though)
>Fogwalker (can lockdown creatures with Nebelgast Herald)
>Anafenza (Bolsters, but too color strict)
>Dungeon Geists (can lockdown a creature, but it's a 4 drop that dies to removal)
>Floating Dream Zubera (draws a card when it dies)
>Ghost-Lit Redeemer (gains life)
>Stormrider Spirit (Undying)
>Windborn Muse (Ghostly Prison 4 drop that dies to removal)
The problem with most of these is what would I cut? For some of them would I really want to go beyond CMC 3?
Don't bother replying about the ones that suck or don't work, only the ones with potential.

>>55341461
Restore Balance. It uses Borderposts and Gargadon to manafuck your opponent and completely empty the board while still keeping your mana intact.

>>55343198
>>55343354
Whats wrong with it?

>>55343279
on a second note, i scrapped dovin for more threats.

>>55328045
this deck is interesting, care to share your thoughts on it guys?

https://www.mtggoldfish.com/articles/instant-deck-tech-tamiyo-zoo-modern

>>55343466
Also i recognize those counters from a previous thread

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>>55343244
Tron is the only thing keeping our glorious format free of autistic shitbrews. Few understand our noble work and fewer still appreciate it, but it must be done.

>>55343623
>SaffronOlive
For that price you can get a non shit deck

>>55343641
?

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Why is this card still banned when Infect is completely dead and this would only make it just playable yet hilariously inconsistent.

>>55343794
No thanks

>>55343794
With unbans you ask how many nongames it would enable. If the answer is a lot then it probably isn't safe.

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>>55343443
Another thing. If Cryptic Command ever drops to about $15 dollars, I'll buy 1-2 of them.
If Kira ever drops to 8$, I'll buy 1-3 of them.
If Leyline of Sanctity ever drops to $15, I'll buy 2.
All of those cards are probably not going to get any cheaper than that even though I'm running on Ebenezer's budget.
If anyone considers Remand a good card over Unsubstantiate, Negate, or Mana Leak, I'm all ears. I like to cycle, but I also like my answers to stay gone.
If anybody thinks Geist of Saint Traft is good, then talk me into it. Tallowisp and Steel of the Godhead could give me an alternate take on UW Spirits by turning it into a midrage beatdown deck instead of a tempo-flash deck.

>>55343710
That's not SaffronOlive's deck. This is a deck someone else made that he is showing off.

>>55343903
Remand is a tempo card. It depends on the deck obviously.

>>55343903
you could make use of void shatter, 3 mana for a instant counter that exiles the thing that it counters if it resolves, its like assert authority but miles better.

>>55344022
But what can Remand do that makes up for the power of Mana Leak? I don't always have Drogskol out with protection.

>>55344023
Void Shatter is too costly. If I wanted to play a 3-mana counter, I would choose Disallow for its reach or Supreme Will for its flexibility, and even then both cards have other cards to compete with in slots such as Nebelgast Herald.
Sure, Void Shatter makes flashback or reanimation impossible, but that's why I have Tormod's Crypt.
I was considering Censor, but most of my opponents don't tap out. Unified Will would require retooling the deck to go wide over tempoing, and I am not sure if I want to change things unless the changes have significant advantages to balance out the lost advantages or gained drawbacks.

>>55344285
Remand replaces itself. That's huge in tempo.

>>55343794
With fatal push and all the hand disruption, it's probably not the worse thing in the format, but I still don't think it would be a great idea.

Can you imagine the salt if someone gets turn 2'd over and over again?

>>55343794
Because it enables T2 kills.

Infect, as it is, only achieves a T2 kill with one line of play. Glistener into 3-cards of pump.

Blazing Shoal enables three lines of play: the above play, the Glistener Shoal play, and the Inkmoth Shoal play - and every Shoal play only takes two-cards on top of the creature to enable to killing pump whereas the above play requires the perfect hand of a Glistener + 2 lands + 3 pump spells.

Fatal Push doesn't make Shoal more fair. There was plenty of Paths and Bolts around when Shoal was legal.

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im going wayyyy out into left field this week with a modern-format revamp of a deck i played in theros standard.

i expect to 0-2 drop because it's retarded, but i'll probably take it to 3-2 because other people are MORE retarded.

>>55345808
How critical is the fixing provided by Sylvan with 8 fetches? Wall of Roots doesn't fix but is +1 for Chord

This is going to seem dumb but how do I make this better. here's my deck list

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/shadowborn-shinanagans/

>>55346146
Don't run 7 howling mines

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Lots of healing, lots of counters, lots of getting counters for healing

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>>55346154
Whoops

>>55339007
>But muh Path!
Well the Lage gets Pushed too, and it was banned before Push was printed.

>>55346109
minimal. roots would be an improvement, thanks.

>>55346212
marit lage token is indestructible, homie.

>>55346212
It does but the sneaky guy has Indestructable
Honestly if Depths was playable it would be a bit crazy, half the Lands cards are already in Modern

>>55339007
Path sees way more play in modern than Swords in legacy.
https://www.mtggoldfish.com/format-staples/legacy

>>55346174
It's like someone looked at soul sisters and went "now how do I make this somehow worse than it already is?"
I commend you on your attempt to build a deck.

I've never played Magic before today. For the past twelve hours I have done nothing but play. I am addicted to it right from the get-go, and it has me deeply concerned because the last thing to get me this hooked was WoW back in 2007, and that took years of my life away. Yet so far, everything has been too good to be true. I don't feel like shit going up against some lionman thing, or some factory thing, or some zombie dragon dude, because it's enjoyable for me seeing how all the parts work and move together. I don't hate the player base, because for the most part everyone is really friendly, and even the people playing all those cancel cards seem really apologetic when they find out I've just started. Even WotC has their information and news updated on the regular apparently, so I don't think they are out of touch with the community.

What, then, is the major flaw of Magic? What can someone warn me about before I just hook myself up to an IV on it?

>>55346316
>>55346324
Fuck.

Push to Exile when?

>>55346380
Wizards doesn't give a shit about how expensive the game becomes

>>55346380
>What, then, is the major flaw of Magic?
I could list off a few:
>the online client hasn't been visually updated since the 90's
>there's a list of cards that will NEVER be printed again from older sets, and that has rendered playing paper Vintage impossible, and it's slowly creeping to Legacy (but it's a legal reason and there's not much they can do)
>Wizards will occasionally do dumb shit, like REALLY dumb shit, but they do try to amend most of the time.

>>55346400
This is objectively wrong. Standard has gone down in price massively, and so has Modern with the masters sets.

>>55346400
Rip anyone who dares to try and buy into vintage or legacy. I have a friend who's trying to get all power 9 for his vintage cube, so far he's enptied 4 binders and is 3/9ths the way there. He has a ruby, jet, and emerald so far.

>>55346398
1 black or white instant

Destroy target creature 3cmc or less. If it can't be destroyed, exile it instead. That creatures contoller may search for a basic land, reveal it, and put it onto the battlefield tapped if the creature is destroyed or exiled this way. Revolt - destroy traget creature 5cmc or less if it can't be destroyed exile it instead.

Relatively new to the game and have a standard (boros) human deck rotating out. Looking around I found some collected company lists that use cards like Thalia's lieutenant and Thalia, heretic.

Seems like I have the choice of naya/Abzan/bant but I don't know enough about modern to know how good these decks would be. Any suggestions? Not a huge modern scene around here so I don't need to worry about being super competitive.

>>55346380
It's probably the best game I've ever played, but it's also comparable to golf in it's expensiveness. Luckily, you can sell out of eternal formats for as much or more than you payed in.

>>55346666
Death and Taxes, uber-Satan. Death and Taxes.

>>55334020
The good thing about whitebordered basics is, that you can find them more quickly when you fetch or get path'd

>>55346174
I like the flavor, but yeah, you're gonna get stomped unless you have a casual store.

>>55346146
thrumming stone

Oop, wait, nope. Found out what I hate about this game.

Fumigate.

>>55347125
Just play a deck that's resilient to and/or doesn't care about board wipes famalam.

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>>55347125
There are ways around that

>>55346146
Demon of Death's Gate and maybe even Shadowborn Demon would be cool, and that new Grissel2.0 deserves a slot. Reaper from the Abyss is cool too

Thrumming is a cool 1of, immortal servitude might be cool too

Not sold on the red splash from a flavor standpoint but could be worth.

Hey guys I know it's a meme deck but do you think Soul Sisters is fun? With so many pieces being reprinted in Iconic I might build it

Will storm get banned or am I safe to build it?

>>55347349
Fairly safe. Storm is on the rise because GDS is going down because anti-GDS decks and sideboards are on the rise, but you can see how that just sorts itself out eventually.

>>55347346
As long as you accept that it's a meme deck and you're going to get horribly stomped to death in some matches, then yes, it can be a lot of fun. Hell, with so many reprints for it I'm considering putting it together as a loaner deck.

>>55345082
Yeah but you also have 4 dead cards in the deck in Progenitus which makes the deck less consistent

>>55347384
Nice. I fell in love with White weenie strategies during Humans standard in Shadows, but I haven't found a modern deck that really lets me relive it

>>55347125
lol, just counter it :)

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>>55338210
>buying a card before it gets reprinted

>>55338210
just go to Chinaman

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>opponent asks to play for fun
>bring along Scarab Lord / Gearhulk and tell them I find winning fun

>>55347750
>Scarab Lord / Gearhulk
Standardfags please leave.

what the FUCK is a omnath

>>55347125
Play Boros Charm

>>55347750
>being that guy
Spike leave timmy alone you fag

>>55346666
Bant Humans are pretty good.

>>55347346
I run Norin Sisters, and I'm having fun with it.

>>55343443
Well besides Wanderer, my other one drop is Noble Heirarch.

>>55349452
I'm not going Bant if it means paying out the ass or getting gimped by Blood Moon.

Is Burn Tier 1 or Tier 2? Why?
It has some horrible MU with popular decks, e.g. Death Shadow, but on the other hand stomps Tron

>>55350388
Naya burn is tier 1
Tiers don't mean anything expect percentage of decks in the meta

>>55350388
>Ds horrible mu for burn
Literally git gud.

Can someone explain why this general thinks blood moon does nothing to tron?

>>55350453
Because most of the time it doesn't.

>>55350450
Care to give tips to this MU? I hold all burn spells for 1 turn kill, but still suck balls

>>55350498
G1 should be a bye because you have the better goldfish and they don't have enough relevant interaction. G2 board in Deflecting Palm, Rest in Peace if you run it, and Path to Exile (board out Lava Spike and Lavamancer) and depending on how the games play out, you either chip in a little bit at a time while playing around Stubborn Denial or go all out if they go for a fast DS. If Shadow lands as a 3/3 or less, point your first bolt(s) at it, they either protect it which is one less counter when you start burning them out or they lose their only relevant clock. Eidolon is MVP, if they can't remove it immediately (remember to id it with Boros Charm if you notice a weak hand) they basically can't cast spells.

Give me some spicy Gifts packages

>>55350476
The way I see it, it buys enough time that liliana can do her work hopefully without them top decking stupidity

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What are the best card sleeves now? I heard kmc went to shit, and I can't find ultra pro eclipses in black.

>>55350698
Dragon shield matte.

>>55350698
DS Matte with KMC perfect fits

>>55350698
Dragon shield matte

Hope you don't doublesleeve

>>55350869
Heard these had consistency issues since KMC's quality tanked?

I just sleeved a deck in DS perfects + DS mattes. It was extremely painful. The prefects were unevenly cut and had extreme size variation

Also I tried splitting a DS Matte and it split extremely easy. I thought they were supposed to stretch before splitting

>>55350887
Well I do double sleeve...should kmc perfect fits be alright? Or should I get other sleeves?

>>55351057

dragon shield has their own inner sleeves now

They work fine, I double-sleeved ETron recently and wasn't a problem at all

They also come in packs of 100 and are cheap