EDH/Commander General /edhg/

>Thread Question: What's your least-favorite color combination? What would it take for you to play it anyway? Do you?
WURBG. it completely sucks the fun out of deck building and necessitates an annoying level of mana fixing. any player who gravitates towards WURBG decks is probably missing half the point of the format. i hate when people run a commander for it's colors and never actually deploy it.

reaper king and atogatog get a pass tho.

>>55319234
Mono-Blue. I'll only play if it's possible not counterspell shenainigans or so broken in terms of power might as well not having friends. And I don't think it's coming soon.

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>tfw playing draconic domination
>tfw everyone gangs up on me
>tfw never get a chance to win with it

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>People playing anything other than mono green beatdown

wew what's it like to be shit at mtg lads I wouldn't know

>>55319234
>What's your least-favorite color combination? What would it take for you to play it anyway? Do you?
Boros and Mardu. I'd rather die.

>>55319282
Shit opinion, 5c can be just as flavourful and interesting as any other colour combo.
t. Reaper King player

>>55319234
>Thread question
UW no question. I get about as much enjoyment from knitting as piloting a UW deck. As someone who heavily favors a more proactive playstyle, twiddling your thumbs until an opponent does something puts me to sleep. Generally speaking it feels like your win condition is making your opponent scoop out of boredom when they realize all you do is make them do nothing.

I'd be down for spirit tribal though.

What's good for Marath? (That costs circa 100)
Tokens?
Big smashy creatures?
Combos?

>>55319324
Not sure, what it's like to lack self-awareness?

>>55319308
It's probably because you have the personality of a frogposter.

>>55319307
>He's never messed with Sakashima Clone Tribal

>>55319378
Combos, but your budget is going to make life... irritating. Not impossible, but you'll have to skimp on good lands.

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>>55319343
>t. Reaper King player
I SAID YOU GET A PASS

>>55319394
Could you suggest some decent ones to look into?

>>55319234
>What's your least-favorite color combination?
Gruul. Boros is probably worse but I've spent too much time messing around with Depala

>What would it take for you to play it anyway?
Having a good Wort deck. She's got a lot of promise, could even kick Boros back to the curb.

>Do you?
Not yet.

>>55319343
HARVEST TIME

>friend plays token aggro in standard
>makes a commander deck
>it's still token aggro

Whatever happened to that anon who told a kid to kill himself at his LGS?

>>55319234
Temur. I can't play a colour combination that doesn't have white or black in it, tho Maelstrom wanderer and Riku look interesting.

>>55319381
>Sakashima deck
Maybe one day.

But then again I got a Yasova "Borrow your friend's deck and beat them up with it" Dragonclaw deck so I don't want something too similar.

>>55319395
Chromat, Child, and Progenitus can also be done well, but are commonly built as goodstuff. The problem is people, not colour.

How can I make wearwolfs better.

>>55319547
*werewolfs
is a place to start

>least-favorite combination

Blue/Green/anything.

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Have you guys ever come across a combo you didn't realize was in your deck?

>>55319595
>We're wolves and we wear wolfs to be werewolves

>>55319234
>Thread Question
Boros. No good card draw besides Wheel of Fortune, and so few tutors it's almost sad. You either draw what you need in the initial hand or you go the entire gaming hoping you draw what you need.

>>55319630

Do you even Land Tax + Scroll Rack?

>>55319618
Unfortunately not, though considering I play Kaalia, Atraxa and Inalla my stuff tends to either all combo with pretty much any other card in the deck or is straightforward "play big things and kill people".

>>55319077
>>55319207
I think those are both covered under hyper efficient/non-vanilla. I did leave out haste as an important part of any aggro deck.

>Least favorite color combo
I have to say selesnya. I started in RTR and always thought it was bad mechanically/flavor wise very faggy. Everytime I end up wit GW in draft/sealed in inevitably lose and have a bad time. I think it would take a some really cool flavor and me delving into how each color covers the other one's weaknesses more. I wish the Unstable faction wasn't shittier GW simic scientist but instead was Militant Hippies. I'd play that legend.

>>55319701
You described my legacy deck. Most fun combo there is

>>55319308
You're not alone, i can't do shit because as soon as i get my first dragon up i'm at 15-20 life and it gets removed before i get a chance to swing with it

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Grixis objectively a shit except for our Lord and Savior.

Have y'all ever gotten an expensive card for commander and gotten wrecked by it later?

It's happened to me twice. Both times I bought a Commander with the intent to build a deck but something happened where you couldn't?

The cards were Kaalia who I bought days before Queen Marchesa was spoiled and after some research I went with the Queen, Long may she reign. And Leovold, who got banned 2 weeks after I bought him. His deck is now Bug Sidisi. What should I do with the cards. I currently just am holding on to them because fuck it but I might try and trade them off/store credit them into a Zedruu Deck.

Speaking of the goat lady, Would it be better to try to either find her precon/convert GAYKANGZ to her or start from scratch?

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How do I stop this cocksucker? God damn I hate izzet so fucking much.

>>55319630
Just tutor for Skullclamp and feed it soldiers, you've got like 8~10 tutors for it in boros colors.

>>55319701
You still need to get both pieces in play to do what someone else can do with a Sylvan Library or Necropotence. But I'll admit, it's a neat interaction when it does happen.

Is anyone else disappointed the Iconic Masters Necropotence uses the FtV art again? I'd have really liked to see the old art, especially in foil.

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>>55319832
you know what you must do, Anon

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>>55319832
Dovescape Taigam

>>55319830
zedruus precon will be damn expensive because it has flusterstorm in it which is like 80$ by itself or something. best to start from scratch.

>>55319878
Same here. I'd love to see the old art in the new frame. I know I can alter it, but it's just not the same thing.

>>55319528
I used to run Riku and he's a great balance of being fun to pilot and being strong. Unlike Sakashima who is just clone tribal, Riku can copy anything and everything.

Also, kicking Rite of Rep on Biovisionary is a hilarious way to win games.

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>>55319878
>>55319932
Imagine if Necropotence Guy showed up as a planeswalker.

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>>55319370
that's why taigam has appeared to lead us non stax playing UW players to the promise land
>spells can't be countered
>spell sliniging
>not super comander reliant

he is the hero we deserve

>>55319832
Trinisphere does work.

>>55319986
he has to attack tough
you have to lose half of your spellslinging power just to keep him around,

>Want to do Mono-Black and Mono-Blue since my first deck was Naya
>have to run Mana Crypt in them both
>$70

reprint when?

>>55320017
>>have to run Mana Crypt in them both

lol

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>>55319832
:)

>>55319832
Instant speed removal

>>55319986
Kinda sucks that he has to attack though. Is Daxos any good? He seems a bit more reliable.

>>55320003
he has to attack
not deal damage
:)

>>55320017
>HAVE to run mana crypt in them both
No you don't, try budget alternatives if you don't want to spend that kind of dosh on cardboard you silly willy

>>55320017
You don't have to you fucking idiot

>>55320008
No the state of standard is making cards so underpowered they never transition to eternal formats and thus never maintain any value causing new players to lose interest in the game as all of their cards they spent money on are both monetarily and trade wise worthless.

The only time I buy cards in standard anymore is if they somehow manage to break into eternal formats like Fatal Push and Fetch Lands or they'll be wanted for EDH like Chromatic Lantern and Ramunap Excavator

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>>55320003

>>55320008
I thought the state of standard was NO FUN ALLOWED?

>>55319962
Seconding this. Riku is fun, can be strong and is really versatile. I run a pretty straightforward Goodstuff with a focus on creatures and ETBs, but doubling both creatures and spells means you can do all sorts of things with him.
Also, can someone recommend some fun spicy cards for him?

>>55320008
Not really zombies aren't as relevant anymore and rotate out in a few weeks

>>55320065
>NO FUN ALLOWED

It's also NO RAMP ALLOWED which leads to Nu-Players coming into eternal formats and bitching and moaning about the slightest bit of ramp.

>Playing Modern with a friend at LGS
>I'm running Eldrazi he's running Death's Shadow
>Cast a T3 Thought-Knot
>Standard babby 18 year old sits there watching us bitching and moaning how unfair it is that I got a 4 cost creature out turn 3

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>>55319832

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>>55319986

>>55320091
play your midrange creatures on curve, ramp is badwrongfun.

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>>55320091
>ywn have a good standard with lots of viable strategies and complex rock-paper-scissors interactions
>ywn have a standard with ramp, control, reanimator, aggro, suicide aggro, mill, stax, combo and tribal decks
Why live?

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>>55319832
THE TEEG

>>55320171
>viable strategies and complex rock-paper-scissors interactions
We did. Everyone memed it up as the Rhino format. THS-KTK was great up until BFZ had fetchable dual lands, turning everything into 4c goodstuff. IIRC we had
>Tutalige mill
>Esper Dragon Control
>Atarka red
>Mardu control
>Jeskai midrange
>Abzan Aggro
>Abzan Midrange
>Abzan Aggro
>U/W Heroic
>W/G devotion
>R/G devotion
>Jeskai Ascendancy combo

>>55320091
>tfw you sack into hardcasting turn 2 OG Kozilek in Kozilek EDH
Mono-Brown is some hardcore stuff, folks, would recommend.

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>>55320091
>Nu-Players: I wanna play Vintage! Reprint the P9 Wizards!
>Also Nu-Players: What the fuck a T1 Black Lotus and TWO moxes?! BAN IT NOW NOW NOW NOW NOW NOW NOW NOW NOW NOW!

My Japanese Scourge of the Throne came in today, which I had to buy on impulse because Scourges were spiking up to 35+ dollars and the foreign ones weren't affected yet.

God damn I hate this game.

>>55320403
>bought t. chinese patriarchs bidding for 8.50€
>tfw english version is at 18€

who starts buyouts in a casual format anyways

>>55320482
Idiots who think investing in non-foil/non-reserve list/non-lottery singles is a good idea and who will always get blown the fuck out.

I remember two years ago there was some guy seriously saying he was going to kill himself because of the Wasteland reprint because it was over $100 but now it's $25 and he had a huge stack of originals.

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>>55320091
Well if you're actually playing Standard you'll know that Thought Knot and Chandra turn 3 is a everyday thing.
I think you want a Meta with Deathrite into Liliana turn 2.

I know this isn't the right place, but there's no casual general so maybe you guys can help. I play casual free for all and there's a good chance I'm going to be buying a playset of o-kagachi cheap in a couple of days, what kind of deck should I make? I would rather not do a stupid "goodstuff" deck since I'm a poorfag. Also, what the fuck is wrong with ramp? My group has no problem with it, so I don't get why others are bitching about it.Hell, sometimes we all pick our ramp decks, mine being W/R/G, and my friends being R/G and G, and those games are always fun.

>>55320403
What the fuck? When did these guys spike? Also why?

>the salt when you pop someones only land before their lotus bloom comes in

I love it

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I'm planning on using Dreju as my commander and want some cards that will bounce him from the battlefield and return him. Any recommendations?

>>55320598
that one enchantment that bounces a non enchantment whenever you play an enchantment

>>55320017

I have one real Mana Crypt and proxies in my other decks

I don't like proxies but when your playgroup is at our level (not cEDH level, just high power) I feel like you can't compete without having as much fast mana as your opponents

>>55320551
Why? Probably because of the dragon pre-con.
When? I'm not exactly sure. I just saw someone here complain 4 days ago that wheel was 50 dollars and scourge was climbing up to 50 itself (at the time, peaked at 45). goldfish says it's been climbing since early september.

>>55320613

That's an artifact that bounces a non artifact, it's called cloudstone curio

>>55320040
Oh I can afford it I just can't afford to pimp out two decks at once. Plus now that I've got one deck I can build these two much slower. There's no rush to get a deck out so I can play. The only things I rushed to get were my Yawgmoth's Will and Revised Demonic Tutor since I got a good deal on the Will and I wouldn't be surprised if Revised Tutor starts going up since it's significantly cheaper than the reprint.

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>>55320653
I think he means this

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>>55319618
Yup! The commander isn't part of the combo, but it's there for reference.

>>55319832
Remove her until she becomes impossible to cast.

>>55320598
Eldrazi Displacer (the best)
Conjurer's Closet
Restoration Angel
Flickerwisp

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what's the best boardwhipes for GW voltron

preferably that won't kill my dude if i chose not to give it industructable

>>55320788
Give that bitch regen and use wipes that don't have the "cannot regenerate" clause

>>55320788
Mass Calcify, Divine Reckoning, Winds of Rath.

>>55320788
Worldslayer into Timber Protector but you gotta do GW treefolk

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>>55320788
Teeg?

>>55320788
Tragic arrogance, gearhulk, sunblast angel, austere command.

Adds for Inalla? Any auto-includes?

>>55319343
>>55319282
>>55319395
reaper king players must be protected and loved

>Watching that Overrated Cards in EDH video by those Command Zone guys
>Damnation
>"Mutilate is better"

How does one have such awful opinions?

>>55320993
Mutilate is better.

>>55321064
You always have Urborg, do you?

>>55320993
Toxic deluge sure but mutilate? maybe in monoblack.

>>55321135
Yes.

>>55319874

>i can literally tutor for one or both in W

>>55320771
>>55320673

Thanks anons!

>>55320993
Why would you listen to literal retards that build their decks exactly the same no matter what commander they use?

anyone here have experiences playing with or againsta teysa, envoy of ghosts deck and have anything they can say about it?

>>55319972
That would be awesome, especially since while the undead usually can't be Planeswalkers, creative has repeatedly allowed that Liches, whose souls are locked in phylacteries, can be an exception (though they'd always have to keep their phylactery with them

>inb4 Sorin
Innistradi vamps have never suffered death and thus are not undead.

>>55320993
I'm baffled why anyone still watches them. They are unofficial Wizards marketing channel and also completely clueless.

Josh said multiple times that Decree of Annihilation is better than Damnation because "you get to draw cards lol". Manabase doesn't matter that much and the difference between a fetchland and a guildgate is next to nothing. Also Insurrection is the most OP card in the format and ends the game everytime.

The only thing you are getting from there is horrible misinformation.

>>55321583
*decree of pain, sorry

>>55320993
Mutilate is situationally better in monoblack or BG with enough land tutoring to guarentee sticking Urborg... basically in any deck that would reasonably run Coffers. After all, a lot more dies to a forever big mutilate than to damnation, and the list only grows as indestructible becomes a more common effect due to Regeneration being thrown onto the deciduous list at best.

Damnation is more reliable in most decks, though, and Toxic Deluge is better than either.

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>>55321583
>Manabase doesn't matter that much and the difference between a fetchland and a guildgate is next to nothing.

Josh is such a fucking liar. He runs ABUR dual lands in his decks and Gaea's cradles.

other guy though is kind of qt

>>55319324
>Best vehicle ever is a troll from Lorwyn

Figures

Rakdos is the worst colour combination to build.

>all the good commanders are monoblack or monored
>EVERY FUCKING THING costs life
>giant beaters, discard and reanimator, but nothing to bring the strategies together
>giant trap commanders like Lord of Riots and Malefegor
>so much cool tech like sire of insanity and caldron dance, but no way to make it viable
>Grixis, Mardu, and Jund do the same schtick way better

>>55321671
I have never heard of these guys until just now, and I hate all of you for making me aware of them.
I'm trying to suffer through this Kess video, but they just sound like asshats or are stating over-obvious nonsense.

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Threadly reminder that we draw ever closer to $100 each when Razaketh remains unbanned.

>>55321791
>implying he'll deliver
>implying Razzle Dazzle won't get a ban in the 99

>>55319508
It's all good now. The kid's mom tried to get me banned, but the owner stood his ground. I explained that it was a massive slip up, and apologized.

I need to learn to be less of a fucking spaz.

>>55320892
Ashnod's altar obviously.
Cloudstone curio for repeatable etbs with wizards.
High tide, snap, and archaeomancer.
Phosphorous for that etb shock.

>>55320038
>he becomes blocked and dies
>can't benefit from him anymore
Unless you play instants, it's a shitty case

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>>55321781
rakdos isn't bad, it just has really shitty commanders. the color combination needs a commander for what the color is actually good at

>>55321805
>implying he'll deliver
He won't, but if anon is still around to eat a little crow in time, it'll be worth the posts.

>implying Razzle Dazzle won't get a ban in the 99
I doubt it. He's no Leovold or Grislebrand

>>55321832
I would jizz an ocean for something exactly like that. I've actually given up building a Rakdos discard and reanimator deck. It will never work.

>>55321805
>8 cost card that isn't broken in the slightest
>banned

Only thing you can do with him is use the infinite token combo with Grave Titan but that's completely fucking pointless because you should be using that combo for infinite mana for either Exsanguinate or Torment of Hailfire

>>55321791
It is still pretty fucking stupid that black Braids is banned tho

>>55321787
they are pretty much the MTG equivalent of Collider

Why is black braids banned?

>>55319234
>thread question
Any deck I make with black in it never lasts long. Esper is probably my least favorite three color combination, I'm not into artifacts and Oloro and Zur are both really boring. Merieke's okay, I guess.

>>55321982
Because she is "unfun".

>>55321982
because you can use sol ring to get it out on turn 2 and win

rather than ban sol ring, sheldon banned braids

welcome to edh

>>55321959
I don't know what Collider is either

This dude in the center looks like he either just had a very greasy shower or dipped his hair in a mimic vat.

>>55321982
Maybe because she's able to be a commander? That's the only reason I can think of

>>55321451
She's a mean ol' cunt and the only interesting Orzhov commander.

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>>55322007
And now that Sol Ring has been printed in all? commander products, it never will be.
Amazing.

>>55322024
>>55321451
Wait, I misread your original post, actually.
Orzhov Scion is cool, Envoy of Ghosts seems neat at first glance but she's clunky in practice.

Better art, though.

>>55320993
thats not even what they said you retard. the just said damnation isnt good enough to justify the price tag when your in multiple colors because you have access to the best board wipes in those colors instead of having to just rely on damn nation which is a 20 version of wrath of god. that statement is 100% true. im all about shitting on the command zone but at least shit on them for one of the million actually real reasons instead of flat out lying

>>55322042
>>55322007
>bitching about Sol Ring
>2017

Black players keep moving this is a G/W thread

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Post commanders who you wish were different colors.

If this guy was GW I'd never play any other deck.

>>55320993
Mutilate is situationally better than damnation though. I would rather have -1/-1 counters to kill shit with than destroy effects because giving everything indestructible is not hard in EDH.

>>55319630

White has the most tutors of any color, they aren't as good as black or blue, but they have the most

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>>55322090
I wish he was bant

>>55321861
>instant speed repeatable tutor
>not broken
It's black, who's going to hardcast him?

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>>55319630
>Wheel of Fortune
>Revised wheel is $60 now

>>55321861

I have yet to see a razaketh etb under somebody's control and that person not win the same turn

Not saying he should be banned because it takes work, you need some bodies in play and you need to reanimate him generally, but he should win the game in any deck reasonably built around his effect

>>55322117
>>instant speed repeatable tutor
>instant speed repeatable tutor that requires a shit ton of other creatures to be any good
>by the time you have said shit ton of creatures you've already got a combo out

you're retarded anon

>>55321671
they said its just as good the turn after you play them because you have access to both colors and dont cost you hundreds of dollars to get. they also said that if you can afford it to totally get the better ones but your deck will function with tap lands which is true just slower

do you even listen to the podcast are you just making shit up as you go along?

>>55321832
>Rakdos Kaalia with built-in haste
I like it.
Just make it a Demon or Dragon to let me put it in my Kaalia deck.

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>Go to commander night
>opponent pulls out pic related

wat do /tg/?

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>>55322124
>didn't buy it when it was 30
>didn't buy it when it was 50
>won't buy it when it's 60
It just keeps happening. I hate buying any one card for more than 30 dollars and it makes me question my place and the hobby as a whole, let alone 50+ dollars on one. The reserved list was a mistake.

>>55322140

You only need like 3 other creatures, or 1 self recurring creature, and you should be able to win from there

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The Xenagod Eldrazi player of my group thinks Inalla is broken and will soon be banned because of Wanderwine/Mistbind combos

>>55322192
>The reserved list was a mistake.

Even WotC agrees, but are too afraid to kill it.

>>55322183
Nod at opponent and say "I don't know why she's not legendary either."

>>55322097
Mutilate doesn't give counters though. Only spell that mass gives them that I can think of is BSZ

>>55322183
Pull out Ink-Treader and destroy his sorry ass.

>>55322210
>but are too afraid to kill it.

They're not afraid to kill it they just can't at this point.

Any Masters set with the P9 and Duals in them would do nothing to the prices at all making the whole point of trying to make them more accessible invalidated and boxes would go well beyond MSRP angering a lot of people.

They also can't print them in standard because even fucking Birds of Paradise is too powerful for standard now.

>>55322192
>tfw picked up an academy rector and a metalworker the other day
>tfw wheel is next on my list

I rather focus on buying stuff that is on the reserved list right now, considering the latest buyouts.

>>55322216
whatever you know what i mean, its still can kill indestructible shit which damnation cant do making it infinitely more useful in a lot of situations

>>55322262
>make silver bordered reserve list shit

wa la

>>55322262
Print enough to meet the demand? What's the issue?

>>55322203
Inalla is fucking dumb though. You should not be able to get that obscene amount of value off of your commander not even being in play. One extra mana and you have cloned your wizard. Something like panharmonicon means you get quadruple triggers just by casting a wizard for one additional mana.

Who looked at Eminence and said "Yeah, this is totally fine?"

>>55322353
Eminence was a mistake.

>>55322353
Sheldor must have okayed it

>>55322372
They couldn't have just made more walkers with commander okay status.

I seriously don't know what the fuck they were thinking making commanders with command zone abilities. This isn't the kind of thing you should fuck with and make official.

>>55322353
Edgar is pretty great too if you take out all the high cost vampires and add some low cost ones, giving you free sac-fodder that also gets pumped by your lords.

>>55322043
ah okay thanks i was considering doing a envoy deck but if the other one is better i'll change

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>>55322348
>Print enough to meet the demand?
>What's the issue?

Pic related. Over-printing kills games.

>>55322409
>card is like 40 - 80$
>gets reprinted in some tinbox or whatever
>drops to 6$

as bad as it is, it's hilarious to watch.

>>55322409
Are you the same anon who always posts Yugioh pic relateds?

I'm fairly positive Yugioh has a shit ton other issues beyond being over-printed that fucking gouged that game into the dirt

>>55322409
Oh yeah, sorry, you are right. There is no middle ground between 300$ Cradle and everything being worthless.

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>>55322409
Well maybe if they didn't make obscenely busted cards a rarity that's 1-of every 2 boxes that shares with unplayable garbage in the first place, while also having a reprint method that isn't just tins, that problem wouldn't exist.

>Another thread ruined by Reserved List whining

It should really be a rule of /tg/ now that this shit is ban worthy.

>>55322398
Just brew both and playtest them, then buy whichever one you're feeling.

I've never had very much luck with Orzhov so maybe I'm a bit biased, but one of the main decks I play against is an Orzhov Scion deck and it's really cool and really effective.

>>55321781
But we have the best Commander in the game, Dragonlord Kolaghan.

>good tier

People who keep track of their life with a d8/d10 or two d10s

>kys tier

people who use multiple d20s to keep track of their life

>wonder what UW Taigam's win con is
>realize Taigam IS the win con, becoming an unblockable cunt, and recasting Time Walks and just slamming the table with commander damage
Really should have figured that one out. It's just Edric in worse colors.

>>55322409
>overprinting kills games
Not really. In yugioh, it's a common expectation that expensive cards get cheaper as the game goes on. It happened with DAD, Pot of Duality, Tour Guide, Pot of Desires, Strike, D-Barrier, etc. What really hurts Yugioh:
>Insane power creep with the new mechanic that either makes the old ones obsolete or over powered (as seen with PePe making rank 4 turbo cancer)
>Konami's inability to ban out certain cards on a timely basis. One list took around 8 months to get released because KoA is god fucking awful
>Konami of America can't figure out how to make PSCT work, nor do they have a clear and concise way of explaining SEGOC, missing the timing (which shouldn't really exist) and other rules snarls. In fact PSCT tends to make thing unecessarily complicated, as colon, comma and semi-colons being fucking code as to how effects work. But to make it clear and concise means a complete overhaul of the rules which leads to
>the cancerous community that's either trying to steal from you or cheat you in the rules or literally stacking their decks, who also don't want a rules overhaul because they rely on bending nebulous rules
>All the judge rulings are hidden behind a facebook wall for no reason
>The Konami of America staff, when confronted a lack of a banlist, told players to "go outside and read a book"
>Konami's in-ability to intuitively understand how their game works on at least a basic level
The game CAN be fixed, but it requires a massive overhaul

>>55322494
Honestly there isn't. If they made a limited print run of "reserve list masters" then stores would never sell it at msrp. That just wouldn't be a sound decision when they could mark up a box well over $2,000.

If they made it an unlimited print run then prices for the cards would eventually hit an area of about 20$ for a black lotus and 10$ abur duals.

If you think there is an in between please explain how

>>55322277
Yes, sure, but the problem ID creatures are pretty much both Ulamogs exclusively, and they would require a hefty amount of swamps. Mutilate is a much shittier version of Toxic Deluge, afterall.

>>55322753
>using dice at all
Neck yourself.

>>55322763
>The game CAN be fixed, but it requires a massive overhaul
Not to be a total shitter, but I'm tired of WotC "fixing" games. And I know it's unlikely that they'd buy it, but holy fuck, it seems like every card game I touch, Wizards has dipped their dick into

>>55322763
>that's either trying to steal from you

you mean trying to steal your cards?

>>55322830
Its a thing for yugioh players

>>55322857
Holy fucking shit.

I've seen EDH decks with ABUR duals just sitting around and no one touches them ever how are Yugioh players this bad?

>>55322830
Yes. Yugioh is filled with a ton of black "people" and mexicans.

>>55320860
kitty

>>55322882
go to a fucking GP and you're going to hear about how people got their bookbag or EDH decks stolen all the time.

>>55322114
I wish he was Jeskai or Esper

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>>55319234
>thread question
Azorius. Though Noyan Dar is pretty sweet.

>>55322409
I'd rather watch things be worth 5$ tops than the nonsense we have now, fuck your cardboard stock market. Do it, WotC, devalue fucking everything, I want to bathe in grognard tears.

>>55322929
Whelp thanks for telling me to keep my eyes on my bag at all times at a GP. Haven't been to one yet.

>>55322885
And chittering devil-children.

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>>55322753

>>55322183
Pull out my super-tuned Helvault and kick his ass

>>55322962
time for you to go to the shadow realm!

>>55319234
GU or colorless

every deck is the same unless its a cute gimick deck which is usually bad tier but at least fun

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>>55320598
Why would you willingly allow yourself to suffer under Mono-White Commander?

>>55321451
I built a Teysa Waifu board control + combo deck once. Very grindy. She can sometimes kill people herself.

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Why is Karrthus $111?

>>55323118
it wont be in a week

i feel sorry for the sucker who bought out every major online store of that stupid card

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>>55323118
Fucking dragon commander casuals

>>55323118
Why? He isnt even good in Ur-Daddy

>>55323153
>everyone buys the new EDH dragon deck
>at least one other dragon player in a game
>cast this, take all the dragons and kill someone

the ultimate timmy dragon

>>55323118
In Europoor 20€ for a English copy.

>>55323118
this is getting more ridiculous by the week, what is next? precon gideon?

>>55322753
>>55322983
>He doesn't bring along 40 slaves and kill one each time he loses life
You're the type of players who are ruining Black.

>>55323118
It's about $9 where i live, maybe i should buy all of them out and re-sell for a prophet

>>55323224
>not killing yourself once your life total drops to zero

bet you don't even use real locusts as tokens for the locust god.

>>55323224
The slave mechanism makes gaining life kinda tough, though. When I exsanguinate my opponent and go up to 65, you need to literally resurrect some slaves and conjure new ones. It's just fucking irritating, use D%

so if I give approach of the second sun flashback do I get to shuffle it back into my lib or does it still get exiled?

>>55323261
>He doesn't concede tactically before hitting zero.

Pleb.

Mathas looks cool as fuck and definitely like the political deck I've been looking for, is he just a bunch of rattlesnake effects and Monarch enablers?

>>55323118
thanks a lot senpai i posted this on my discord and now everyone thinks im googling a way to get eggs out of my ass

>>55323271
Exiled. Flashback replaces going anywhere else with exile.

>>55323307
My sides

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>>55323260
>for a prophet

make sure you don't get a false one.

>>55323294
Coward.

>>55323260
I always wanted my own prophet! Will yours be more the Jesus type or the mohammed type?

>>55323310
welp looks like elixir of immortality is my only hope

Ive got the Dr Pepper

>>55323307
Ahaha

>>55322409
over printing didnt ruin yugioh, pendulum creatures did. other than that ive literally never heard someone complain about yugiohs reprints cause you can build whatever the fuck you want for cheap

>>55322042
Trade Secrets was banned though

>>55323346
What colors are you in? Granting flashback suggests either red or blue/black, while you need White for approach.

Also, if you resolve it off the Flashback and have cast it before, you win. It doesn't need to resolve both times, just once after having cast it before.

Since Dragon Shield sleeves curl can they bend your cards over time?

>>55323307
kek

>>55319407
Karmic Guide/Reveillark/Sac Outlet/Combo Card is probably the cheapest competitive combo in those colors

>>55323411
DS regulars will, DS Matte won't

>>55323327
Jones type most likely. They go for cheaper.

>>55323411
no they dont

>>55323410
pretty sure one of approaches win conditions says you have to cast it from the hand

and im in UW, im playing board wipes, cantrips, and approach, like imagine the most anti-fun UW control deck from RTR-Theros block and thats what im trying to get at
right now im trying to find a way to sneak quicken into it since I think I need more cantrips

on a side note how many anti-storm effects does a deck need in order to reasonably feel safe against it? im running two cards specifically to target it and a few that can flex to deal with it as well as other more general spells

>>55323514
The condition is that you've cast it once before, but only the one you've cast from hand can cause you to win.

>>55323514
>pretty sure one of approaches win conditions says you have to cast it from the hand
So it does.

You've got blue, you can just fish that shit back to your hand with Archaeomancer if it lands there. Or, you know, any of the myriad cards with the same effect. No need to blow shuffleback sauce. And that's assuming you don't protect the damn thing with counters anyway. Remand or Memory Lapse much? They can also serve to speed it up. If your commander is Taigam, you can just Dovescape and laugh too.

>>55323514
>on a side note how many anti-storm effects does a deck need in order to reasonably feel safe against it?
Depends on the meta. In Azorius, you don't need a ton, just GOOD calls like Ethersworn and Labyrinth.

Isn't Walking Ballista supposed to be a staple in mono green Selvala decks? I'm looking at some lists and I don't see it.

>>55323613
Silence and Render Silent are also pretty good ways to keep a Storm player from going off, an also double to protect you from interaction.

best ways to upgrade the new commander decks (budget)

>>55323550
yeah so the one that wins me the game needs to be cast from hand, so flashback doesnt work in this instance

thats why I was wondering if I could use flashback to get it back to 7 from the top

>>55323583
the remand memes are cute so Ill toss those in the deck, the decks wincon is ONLY approach so no dovescape which is why my commander is lavinia since she serves as a pseudo-wipe getting me a free turn to survive

>>55323613
>>55323628
Im going with trickbind and nimble obstructionist for now, might bring back render silent since I cut it before but im already having a hard time deciding what cards I want to keep and what needs cut
even got rid of my cute miracle cards since I figure I have enough full on removal I dont really need targeted removal

>>55323622
I feel like Walking Ballista is sub-optimal at best, and shows up in decks just because of standard hype. Same with Hangin' Back Walker, but to different effects.

>>55323665
Just buy singles and be careful about the price, why is this even a question?

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Random question concerning a particular interaction. If I have mairsil on the board and have both pack rat and mirage mirror caged, then use pack rats ability, but then in response activate mirrors ability to turn into anouther creature/artifact/land. After the transformation resolves, then the pack rat ability resolves. Will the rat token be a copy of the original mairsil or what mairsil transformed into?

>>55323793
It took five seconds to look this up.
http://tappedout.net/mtg-questions/can-mairsil-make-copies-of-permanents-with-pack-rat-and-mirage-mirror/

>>55323118
why are they never buying out cards that I own?

>>55323895
>tfw sold 10 cleansings for $14 a pop
feels good man

doubling season reprint when???

>>55323948
Masters 25 hopefully

>spend weeks trying to get my friends to play edh with me on cockatrice
>they finally do it
>we spend a night playing
>wake up at my regular neet time of 2 pm
>theyve been playing for hours

heh

>>55323118
>foil 42.27
>eurobux 8.88
Why is the EU unaffected by this bullshit?

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There. Now all of your dinosaurs can emulate the OG dino, Fungusaur.

>>55324137
This and Staff of Nin should be auto-includes, right?

Anything else to consistently activate Enrage whenever you want to?

>>55324137
I almost want to build DinoMasochism now

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>>55323118
shrugs*

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>>55323118
So is every dragon gonna spike now?

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>>55324155
This and Caltrops.

>>55324105
Luckily for us we don't have retarded wolf of wall street wannabes

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>>55323118
>mfw I bought a foil as soon as dragons were spoiled
>mfw I only bought if for my legendary creature collection

>>55323118
I hope (((investors))) get all sucked up in a hurricane or drown in their own overflowing sewer water

>>55324137
lightmine field is looking pretty good in naya dinos

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>>55322753
>>55322983

>>55324105
Because overseas shipping is a bitch, and part of doing buyouts is making a profit even if people don't bite at your price of 100$ for a jank rare. When the price finally settles it will still be a buck or two higher than when you bought it. Shipping costs erase that buffer.

>>55322763
>Really should have figured that one out. It's just Edric in worse colors.
That's just one wincon, the real wincon is Dovescape/Metallurgic Summonings and extra turns

>>55324472
The real wincon is extra turns and Azor's Elecutors.

>>55324585
The real wincon is stealing someone's mike and trike with a rebounded bribery

>>55322183
>>55322211
this

>>55323317
i can make more of these animated cards if people want. i feel like it gets posted every day now.

post some cards you want animated and i'll do at least one this evening.

Oh my word why is playing talrand with 99 removal so fun this is cancer

Would those new cards that flip into lands activate Omnath, Locus of Rage's effect?

>>55324700
No, they're transforming, which doesn't trigger ETB effects. It has to be worded like the Origins 'Walkers, exiling and then returning transformed.

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At what point do you relent your tunnel vision for gunning one player? Last game someone mindslavered me, exiled my own commander, and sent it to exile. So naturally I made a revenge oath to always gun for him without fail. But when do I let up? Do I continue to go even if it means kingmaking? If I don't follow through, then how is anyone supposed to take me seriously?

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Is this Alesha deck worth $60? Just started playing and have no idea what the cards are worth

>>55322772
>print a short run of them
>check price
>repeat as many times as necessary
Wow, that sure was hard. It will eventually get to the desired target price, because no store is dumb enough to go"oh, this card is $200, but wizards keep printing it? I will just sell it for $2 out of spite.".
They could even make a box of stuff like that and short print it once or twice per year with an updated list. I imagine that just the release of an information like this would make the price of many expensive cards go down a lot, since there are a lot of expensive cards that aren't even being used to play, just sitting there as store stock. It may even benefit the stores by having them sell that shit and buy stuff that generates more profit faster instead of waiting for years until someone buys something as expensive as a p9.

>>55324800
Plug the cards into tappedout and it'll give you a price summary.

>>55324137
Don't forget Pyrohemia!

>>55324731
For 1 game, max. Mindslaver is backbreaking, and you'd do the same thing with one if you could.

>>55324800
I'd believe it, most of the cards are a few cents or a couple bucks at most.

>>55324800
Seems like it's a few cards short of a full deck, but I know that Angel of Invention, Buried Alive, and Sun Titan are all ~$4, so it should be worth it.

>>55324731
When the person isn't at all a threat.

If you're wasting cards on shit that's not a threat in the current boardstate you can hand someone else the win.

who's your favorite reanimator commander?

the more silly shenanigans the better

>>55325233
Chainer hands down.

>>55325233
Teneb because he's fat so he's fair and he can grab anyone's commanders.

>>55325023
>>55325092
thanks friends

>>55324825
>repeat as many times as necessary
>as necessary

You dingus, how are you going to determine necessary? Especially if people are holding on to product and not selling in the hopes that shit will go up. If it isn't an actually unlimited print run, but instead some sort of bastardized controlled print run and wizards announces it as such, then the smart move is to buy as many cases as you can and hold out for as long as possible, try to move the product in at least a decade if you have the capital.

The only way around this is to literally flood the market, to the point where you literally have underground sea at like 8$ or less. This will kill the game, like all those Japanese ccgs that pop up overprinted and died.

>>55325278
>he can grab anyone's commanders.
>oh no, why did I let my commander go to the graveyard without an immediate way to recur it against a deck that can take cards from anyone's graveyard and now it's under his control? How did this happen?
Scrub detected.

Any Inalla posters lurking?

How did you build her?
Wizard ball? Storm? Grixis control? Reanimator? Goodstuff? Tribal beat down?

My build seems to be gravitating towards storm unintentionally, I don't even run any storm cards beside magus of the mind.

>>55324204
Yes, but they will settle at probably 3-6% higher than the original prices.

>>55324695
How is that possible? List?

>>55325419
Wizard Tribal value and combos.

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/hi-inalla-mays-here-with-lots-a-dudes/

Thinking of maybe cutting something for the Turnabout suggestion and possibly swapping Sower of Temptation with Thalakos. Also still need to find a way to squeeze in Sundial of the Infinite.
How do you build her as Storm? Only saw tribal, combo and control lists so far.

Is Stone Calendar worth buying in case it goes up and I regret not buying one at $10?

5 mana to reduce other spells by 1 generic seems really underwhelming.

>>55323118
There's some talk that it's one guy doing this buyout; if that's true he's a fucking retard

>>55325499
Get one just in case I guess.

>>55325499
it is on the reserved list, if you want one buy one because it won't drop in price any time soon.

>>55323118
>doing a buyout of a non-reserve/non-lottery card

but why?

>>55325499
>Amy Weber art
Gross.

>turn 3 table gets Torment of Hailfire'd for lethal
I fucking hate this format

>>55325580
outplayed kid

>>55320706
>Doubling Season/Parallel Lives
Wow, what a sick tech. I am shocked that you can combo with those. Truly

>>55325568
because some people are idiots with way too much money.

>>55325499
It is a requirement in Mairsil decks for flavor reasons.

>>55325580
So it was infinite mana with an outlet on turn 3?

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>>55325580
>no one had counterspells like Force of Will or Pact, or Daze

lmao get rekt nerd

>>55324414
>guys who bought an anthology
lmaoing@ur life

>>55324731
>then how is anyone supposed to take me seriously?

why would you want to be taken seriously?

>>55325233
Feldon

>>55325233
Alesha

How do I build Atraxa in a semi-competitive way without ending up with generic goodstuff, Super Friends or a mix of both?

>>55325492
Not dedicated storm per say but a low cmc and lots of cheap mana rocks means i have explosive turns with little pay off unless i combo out.

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/inallas-school-for-gifted-youngsters/?cat=type&sort=cost

>>55322183
Alert the owner of my LGS that someone is attempting to play with an unregistered deck.

>>55325597
>>55325623
>>55325652
>>55325685
First off we were all playing casual decks, low power level. Mine was fucking Razi, Boros Archangel just for reference. Dude comes up and asks to play pulls out Oona.
Turn 1 he goes Land Mana Crypt, Sol Ring, Dimir Signet
Turn 2 Paradox Engine
Turn 3 Shit ton of mana, Demonic Tutor , Torment for lethal
This is all while opening for two of us was a tapped land and the only thing I played was a Marble Diamond Turn 2

>>55325378
How will 100$ manabases for a niche format instead of 2000$ ones kill the game?

>>55326011
>playing Boros
>no way to deal with a single artifact
Quitchabitchin.

>>55325378
Ygo overprints all the time and is still alive and ticking, fuck you and your obsession with making pieces of cardboard be worth hundreds of dollars.

>>55326011
another fun edh game brought to you by fast mana(tm)

>>55326011
>had nothing to deal with any of that shit while playing boros, the color most orepared to deal with that
Dude you were just pretending to play magic until you met that guy, are you gunna make your deck good or will you cry and sulk?

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>>55325378
>>55326034
do it wotc

>>55326095
Hey now, Naya is the color most prepared to deal with artifacts.

>>55325378
>how are you going to determine necessary
By literally checking the price on the secondary market.

>Stores will just hold on to them
They wouldn't. Do they hold onto vaults and masters series at the point where the price of reprinted cards don't drop? No. Look at goyf for example, all it needed was 3 reprints to get it to less than half its peak price.

>controlled print run
Any unlimited print is controlled, some more and some less.

>overprinting kills a game
In ygo, there was a precon deck(equivalent of an intro pack) that was basically the strongest deck at the time, the game was very lively at the time, and nothing bad happened to it.

>>55326053
Dude you still dont get it. No one was doing anything even remotely powerful at this table except the smug asshat who wanted to pubstomp. It was 3 casual decks and we invited him to play assuming hed be cognizant of the other decks hes playing against which were all obvious casual decks. Even if i had one of the few artifact removal spells ipening hand in the deck i had no time to even cast it. Return to Dust and Austere Command wouldnt have worked with how quick it happened, only Shattering Spree or Vandalblast would have and I didnt draw it. Not having 2 cards within the first 10 cards of my deck is not my fault.

>>55325703
I just bought the counters for like $5 each.

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>>55326106

>>55326202
yeah but that's just 1 battlement

in the land there are several

>>55326220
You're adorable, anon.

>>55326053
Even if he had artifact removal on his deck, he is not going to run more artifact removal than the usual just because he is running boros. Or do you run less removal if you are not playing black? I mean, my artifact removal is Krosan Grip, even if had it in my hand, I wouldn't be able to use it unless I opened my hand with a turn 1 mana accelerator(meaning that stuff like signets wouldn't be fast enough).

>>55326095
Im just going to keep playing casually because thats what I enjoy. I only have two decks and both are under $100. More high powered EDH is fine at tables equipped to deal with it, its not fine to jerk off your $2000 deck at a casual table to make yourself feel good at Magic. Stomping casuals takes no skill.

>>55326095
Yeah, fuck low power environments, like standard, modern, commander, pauper, draft, cube, and pre-releases. If you don't mulligan until you have FoW on your opening hand, you are not playing real magic.

>>55326126
I miss Monarch Kozmo format

>>55326011
This is why Paradox Engine should be banned. It really feels like the kind of card that Sheldon would ban but then again, he never banned Palinchron.

>>55326450
I feel like double ETBs on creatures and artifacts has a much lower chance of being banned than "cast spell, untap all these mana rocks that Sheldon won't ban"

>>55326476
I can't fucking read. My bad.

>>55326450
Ban Engine and pretty much every rock that costs less than what it taps for.

>>55326498
Or run artifact removal and not petition for retarded bans.

>>55326579
Nah, fuck fast mana and fuck you, you want to abuse sol ring and friends go and play vintage, no one wants to run 15 pieces of 1 cmc artifact removal just in case some rotten cunt wipes the table turn 3.

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>want to use ultra pro eclipses
>only sold in packs of 80

>>55326598
Or you know, set up a banlist in your play group like how Sheldor recommends?

>>55326598
>>55326498
>Pissing in your diaper this hard about not packing artifact removal

>>55325703
not that guy but i bought one off amazon for like 4 bucks

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Looking to clarify

Does this effect trigger every time I summon a creature, even if I summon multiple on my turn?

>>55325909
+1 counters, just be warned more people will target you just because of atraxa

>>55326683
they are a meme, dragon shield mattes are better in literally every way

>>55326744
yup, every time a creature hits your side of the field

>>55326744
Yes.

>>55326744
It'll trigger every time a creature enters the battlefield. Doesn't matter if they're tokens or if multiple creatures enter at the same time, you get the trigger for each creature entering under your control.

>>55326744
Yeah. Works with tokens too

Bronzebeak moa + panharmonicon + increasing devotion = +30/30 on moa?

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WILL IT EVER GO DOWN

>>55326744
that is a decent card in roon btw

>>55326838
Yes

>>55326859
That's the rhino commander, right?

>>55326838
Yes. A flashbacked Increasing Devotion will give +60/+60

>>55326893
That sounds hilarious and also never gonna happen in play

But holy shit I love those birds

I've got some questions about triggers
forgot the exact names of the cards so bear with me
>white enchantment that gives every other creature I control +1/+1 when a creature enters my field
>spell that creates 4 1/1 tokens
first: does every other creature I own get 4 +1/+1 counters, or do they get 1 because the tokens entered at the same time?
second: Do the new tokens get anything? I assume they don't

>>55326579
Not him, but I understand wanting some stuff banned. I mean, what is the point of stuff like Sol Ring? What is the point of having a card that every deck has to run?

>>55326884
ya, just be aware that you need to do something with them cause they go away at the end of the turn. there are a bunch of things that let you move counters out there

>>55326930
Read this:>>55326778
Also, in case of the 4 tokens, each of them will see 3 other tokens entering the battlefield.

>>55326939
Triumph of the horses and swing for fuck you damage?

>>55326854
REMINDER THAT ASSFAGGOTS IN THIS VERY GENERAL LAUGHED AT ME WHEN I BOUGHT 30 OF THEM

WHO THE FUCK IS LAUGHING NOW ?