Equipment and Armour

>>55303878
Something that'll increase her strength by 4.

>>55303878
Brigandine because brigandine is fuckin rad

>>55303900
Eh?

>>55303966
Now I feel old. https://1d4chan.org/wiki/-4_Str

>>55304018
That's a little toxic, don't you think?

>>55303878
Anything you want. It's fantasy after all

>>55304642
Not really, females are objectively weaker and more fragile than men. It makes a lot of sense

>>55304667
>getting mad in a troll thread

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>>55304667
>>55304719

>>55304732
There's a reason the emperor decided to make all SM males...

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>>55304667
Friendly reminder that nobody who uses cuck as an insult ever has, or ever will be vulnerable to cucking, because that requires women to be willing to even pretend to be in a relationship with you.

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>>55303878
>>55303878
As for the first question, I'll go with a classic and say: It depends on the setting. The beginner adventurer is most likely to be equipped with something of cheaper end, that could be different things depending on settings technological level and such.
Essential starting equipment for me is:
backpack, rope, canteen, weapon that could be also used as tool ex. hatchet

/tg/ never disappoints when there's bait to be taken...

>>55304719
Depends. They're more resilient to most diseases, for example. One of the reason they have a better life expectancy than males.

>>55304754
But you see SM creation process doesn't really need male humans - as genitalia is removed and hormones of both genders are used (And they use young humans where gender dimorphism is almost non-existant) So yeah as far as space marines go - female or male in the end you would get a same thing

P.S. Sisters of Silence can kill space marines in droves anyway

>>55304991
Yeah also more resistant to gene mutation, this is why it would actually make more sense to have female mutants in most sci-fi settings

(Also life expectancy has to do to the fact that men are a bit more suicidal when it come to things like extreme sports)

>>55305049
You must be at least 18yo to post here.

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>>55303963
I have to ask, are you refering to an actual historical brigandine (like pic related) or some gay-ass studded-leather-tier DnD meme armour consisting mostly of gaps?

>>55305096
*Laugh*

Uneducated city dweller

>>55304719
If you're playing in a game that is supposed to simulate reality, then yes, *realistically* women wouldn't be adventuring much because men are just better combatants by nature.

But even if I was interested in running a game like that, which I'm not, I'd probably just cap women's strength max rather than just put penalty across all characters.

It would be assumed that a Man and a Woman who both have 15 Strength (using D&D's stats) would both be objectively the same Strength, but the woman would be assumed to be a lot more buff-looking than the man would.

>>55304667
Go be a retard somewhere else.

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How is this for armor?

>>55304846
t. cuck

>>55303878

Gamberson is the basic protection of all soldiers. Anything else is added layers of defense.

>>55305219

Good. If you can get any protection at all, get a metallic helmet.

>>55305023
>SM creation process doesn't really need male humans
Oh so you have no clue how the process actually works, because it's been explained why they need male humans.

>>55304667
I think he's mostly saying it is both an old AND tasteless joke. I mean, I got it right away but it's not even funny anymore how ancient that one is. Not even you laughed in fact, and you know it.

So basically you're just being tasteless and boring in lieu of actually having anything interesting to say. Which I guess explains why you're on 4chan anyway.

>>55305219
Pretty good. The "brigandine" is kind of shitty, though; you'd want the plates to overlap, otherwise thrusts will just glance right into the gapr. The leather will mitigate that, but it*s still an issue. Still, it's probably better than nothing. Will definetely be helpful against cuts.

>>55303878
It honestly doesn't matter.
Fantasy rules means whatever armor she wants to wear will work for her, so she can wear whatever armor she wants.
If we're talking D&D, then whatever armor she can afford or gives her the best bonuses and suitable needs for her class.

>>55305114

"Studded leather" was just a misunderstanding. Brig is usually plates affixed between layers of leather, sometimes with studs holding it all together, so the outside looks like leather with studs. If you just assume that all the "studded leather" you see is light brig, things make a little more sense. Not total sense, of course, this is still fantasy.

(I'd love to talk about armor with you, but calling things "gay-ass," talking about "tiers," and calling things you don't like memes makes it hard to take you seriously.)

>>55305366
Amusingly, most brigandine vests aren't even made with leather so whoever looked at one and saw studded leather way back when probably didn't even get the basic visible material right.

>>55303878
BIG DIRTY MILKERS

>>55305366

Overlapping plates requires twice as much metal, making it twice as heavy and (more importantly) twice as expensive. It's better protection, but less accessible to the common soldier.

On the other hand, the light brig shown is still pretty good. It's better than nothing against a mace, and because it's faced with leather blades glancing to more vulnerable areas is less of a problem. The blade catches in the leather rather than bouncing or gliding.

>What is adequate armour for a woman setting out on your standard fantasy adventure?
Whatever is appropriate to her class or profession, obviously. What kind of silly question is that? Do you not actually play /tg/ games or something that you don't know that?

>>55305385
You sound like a gay ass

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>>55305219
mid-late 14th century in one picture

>>55305023
>genitalia is removed
wat

you are literally asking for rape at this point

>>55305427
You do realise that a gambeson of the combosition from>>55305219
will do nearly nothing against a mace? Due to the plates being fixed only to the leather (and not overlapping), they can move on their own to such a degree that the impact is only spread over the area of the plate, and the effect is nearly nothing in this armour configuration.

That said, the gambeson will eat a lot of blunt trauma, so the setup is good in that regard. No thanks to that ""gambeson"", though.

>>55304667
>I bit down on this metal hook and now my mouth hurts!
Thanks for sharing

>>55305700
At least he did not shove the metal hook up his butt like you did.

>>55303963

This, and it's true for men as well.

It's got excellent coverage, protection, and mobility. It's brilliant for fashion as well. Of course, it's also expensive. Hence why it was independently developed in both Europe and Asia, but never recorded to have been used for concealed armor or for use by criminals. It was the armor of nobility.

And yeah a version designed for women abnd fashion/sex appeal would probably be both functional and hot as hell.

>>55303878
>What is adequate armour for a woman setting out on your standard fantasy adventure?

The tankiest one she can get.

>>55305803
> It was the armor of nobility.

English archers wore them during the medieval period, which would mean they were used in peasant rebellions, like Jack Cade's sack of London, as well as by Routiers in France who were essentially bandits when they didn't have a contract.

>>55304018
>>55304642
>>55304642
>>55304660
>>55304667
>>55304719

GURPS recommends that "average" women have -2 strength. That gives them 20 extra points to play with, which they can throw right back into ST if they want. Adventurers are above-average, after all. So basically a -2 ST is an option that anyone playing a female may or may not take at their option, exactly as if they were playing a weaker male character.

The guideline reflects the known differences in overall strength between men and women. Since everything is a point buy, it isn't like D&D where bonuses and penalties could be used for power-gaming.

>>55304991
>/tg/ never disappoints when there's bait to be taken...

I still remember the days when we happily chowed down on bait and produced a good solid informative conversation.

Hell, a few months ago there was an islamic superheroes thread that was fucking amazing, despite everyone assuming it was doomed to /pol/shit. The project rho bait thread ended up being productive too.

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>>55304642
nigger, leave

>>55305366
They do overlap. Each plate doesn't overlap as much, but you have way more plates and so the flexibility is actually superior and you have full coverage.

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A rope and a horse to get your man.

>>55305599

People who post stuff like >>55305023 also post stuff like >>55305433

>>55303878

A chastity bell.

>>55303878
Boil 'em mash 'em put 'em in a stew.

>>55303878
>What is adequate armour for a woman setting out on your standard fantasy adventure?

Null set. Women can't be adventurers at my table, just like in real life.

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Unless we talk magic or females that are outside of averages when it comes to physical appearance and build, they should not adventure and they should not fight.
Their muscoskeletal system is smaller and weaker than male's, their joints are more prone to fractures, a large part of female population suffers from anaemia or some sort of mineral/vitamin deficiency (due to idiotic dieting habits), they become a hindrance to a party when focus becomes "protect the female" and not " defeat the enemy", not to mention their need for regular camping, attention to bodily needs and lack of split-second decision making.

This being the case, whatever you want, since it's already fantasy and has no relation to reality from the outset.

>>55308519
So you are retard and shitty DM?

>>55308529

No, just one concerned about maintaining a realistic feel to my games.

>>55308559
So yes you are a retard and a shitty DM that no one wants to play with. Ok then

>>55308524
Being a adventurer itself is being a odd ball, anyone that is a adventurer is outside of the averages.

>>55304991
Source?

>>55308600
If you're not underage, why are you feeding a troll pure unrefined butthurt

>>55304991
>One of the reason they have a better life expectancy than males
It's about gene dosage, man

>>55306268
eww no

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>>55308715

>>55305366
Brigandine did not come into the world fully developed. >>55305219 is a possible way in that type of armor may of been in the mid 13th century.

Thing is we do not know what mid 13th century looks like brigandine. We have both later and early examples and the design clearly changed a lot.

>otherwise thrusts will just glance right into the gapr.

Thrusting swords were just starting to come back into fashion around the time I am talking about, so that would be less of a issue then what you may think. The medieval arming sword got a lot of improvements as time moved on.

>>55308665
>he doesn't play a commoner

>>55304642
It's a joke, newfag. Although some autistic shits will tell you otherwise.

>>55305427
>Overlapping plates requires twice as much metal, making it twice as heavy and (more importantly) twice as expensive. It's better protection, but less accessible to the common soldier.

Use thinner plates.

And no, there was no major problem involved with doing it that way, because historical brigandine has overlapping plates. Not as a rare exception, but as a rule.

>>55308855
>is a possible way in that type of armor may of been in the mid 13th century.
Basically no one has ever made use of non-overlapping scale or lamellar armour. That they'd just happen to make an exception for early brigandine seems a bit much like wishful thinking from lazy LARPers and deadline-chasing prop makers, especially since we have things like the lamellar in the Wisby mass graves showing us that such would have been around in the CoP-days to guide the creation of brigandine.

>Thrusting swords were just starting to come back into fashion around the time

Never mind the bolts, arrows, spears and lances.

>>55305932
Not on that pic, they don't (>>55305219, that is
). You can clearly see from the rivet placement that the plates are placed isolated. Unless the guy wears another one underneath, were the plates are shifted accordingly, it can clearly be seen that there is no overlap.

I completely agree there should be, though: see >>55305114 (seen from the inside, obviously).

>>55304732
>needs power armor to challenge a man physically
Yeah, sick burn there brah

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I'm currently playing a full plate pally. I almost always wear light armor/robes clerics and bards and stuff, so it's new to me. But it's fun.

I always have a pretty heavy backpack full of gear though. Lots of rations, some snacks, water, a journal to write about our quest, some sketching supplies and book to paint pretty vistas we come across or to give an account+picture of something later, grooming kit, I usually like to play people who can cook so stuff related to cooking, and a musical instrument are some regulars most of my characters tend to have.

>>55305023
>genitalia is removed
Blatant lie

>doesn't really need male humans
It absolutely does.

>>55310524
Maybe the dumbass should not started shit with someone wearing power armor.

Unless she is the type who prefers using her feminine wiles and a hefty CHAR stat or she's a powerful magic user that can cast powerful shield spells I don't think she will wear anything that exposes her vital organs. She also wouldn't wear a form-fitting breastplate because it is less likely to distribute the force of a blow from a blunt weapon like a warhammer or a mace, which will make her more likely to suffer damage to the ribs and maybe disrupt her heartbeat, perhaps even stopping her heart beating altogether. A good compromise would be a breastplate that loosely curves around the breasts vertically but spreads evenly across horizontally, like a metal sports bra.

Her background is also likely to affect her choice of armor. Historically plate armor was more expensive and could only be afforded by royals, nobles, and knights while common infantry wore either leather or padded cloth armor, maybe chainmail if they were a bit more well off than the average peasant.

As for weapons it would depend on how much martial training or practice she has had. Swords and bows require years of practice with in order to even be considered competent wielders of whereas either a spear or mace coupled with a shield would require much less skill and practice to master. However the bow and spear are also the cheapest of those choices so it is the most likely she will be able to afford if she is a lowly peasant.

That said if she is a peasant with no skill whatsoever she would use a spear and wooden shield in battle and wear leather or padded cloth armor, maybe a bit of chainmail worn over the torso area on top. If she has had the requisite practice she would wield a bow instead. If she is a noble or knight with considerable skill she would wield a sword, maybe a shield too and wear plate armor like Brienne of Tarth's in Game of Thrones or at least like the one in this Skyrim mod: http://www.loverslab.com/files/file/2103-plate-armor-plus-from-oblivion-to-skyrim-by-rhodanum/

Just started a campaign level one and used all of the extra stuff I bought. My party just bought their armour weapons and rations whereas I had written out all of my gear. Rope, pitons, hammer, crowbar, ball bearings, caltrops, oil, later, etc.

I ended up using the majority of the items. At low levels you need a lot of equipment as you can't use magic to bypass obstacles.

>>55304991
Stress levels caused by hours spent working cut down life expectancy to equal levels in both genders. Granted men will still have their dumb risk taker death applied but in the modern world those who work to support someone at home die first. This is more likely men taking on that burden so long as it's seen as a male role to be the provider.

>>55305939
And polka dot PJ's! Essential for any adventurer

>>55305837
It was modestly expensive and somewhat fashionable. To put it in modern terms it cost roughly $1200 to 4000 USD. Not a trivial cost, but nothing like chain mail ($6000+) and really not like bronze armor ($20,000+)

I'd say good armor for an adventure starts with rugged clothes. Decent boots, trousers (or if you must, a overdress, skirt and hose) and a long riding coat with reinforcement at the elbows, a mantle to keep water out of the shoulder seams and tough enough fabric to survive a long while.

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>It's another medieval equipment autist episode
>It's a rerun of the episode where everyone plays armchair historian about what was best or not in combat

>>55308665
I've always hated this argument. That "adventurers are like, totally super unaverage people or whatever, so anything should go!" No, you fuckwit, even at the extremes, men are vastly superior physically, and top tier women can get beaten out by slightly-above average men in terms of raw strength. It's why weight classes exist.

And I'm saying this as someone who encourages the thought of female adventurers. There are actual legitimate reasons why a woman should be out murderhoboing, such as the fact that:
>Women make the best assassins in the world
>Women are not naturally afraid of blood
>Many security and detective teams are comprised of a healthy does of women
>Women can comfort men, and I don't necessarily mean sexually
>Many adventuring classes don't rely on physical strength/output, such as casting classes and classes that benefit from flexibility like rogue
Seriously, focus on making decent arguments, like pointing out -4 strength is only an argument for why women shouldn't be fighters as opposed to this lackadaisical response of "durrr just be wahtever even that 8 yer-old loli barbrain"

>>55304732
YAASSSS SLAY QUEEN

A cooking set, a set of needles and threads, lingerie and condoms.

>>55314850
This thread is not about what you need.

>>55314714
>Women are not naturally afraid of blood

Women are more likely to faint at the sight of blood than men...

>https://www.ejmanager.com/mnstemps/34/34-1410375823.pdf?t=1431210729

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>>55303878
I like this

>>55314890
Your paper you have isn't really conclusive of anything. Blood-Injury-Injection phobia covers three fears, blood, being injured, and needles. Not only that, but the paper only states it "is more prevalent in women than it is in men" but never states by how much or how prevalent this specific phobia is in general with a test group, and the only other test I could find only tested a mid-sized group in a small area of Canada. Neither state whether or not a woman who does not have this phobia fears blood.

However, in attempting to answer the question, I couldn't find anything, and was being bombarded by dozens of articles from sites like huffington post saying that Trump is afraid of periods and we should all hate on him for this. So for now I will say it's "inconclusive" in my eyes.

>>55305409
Coat of plates or jack o plates where often leather faced and they can be considered early/proto brigandine.

>>55305677
>Due to the plates being fixed only to the leather (and not overlapping), they can move on their own to such a degree that the impact is only spread over the area of the plate, and the effect is nearly nothing in this armour configuration
Nah it'll still be somewhat effective, a single plate is still much larger than the impact point of a mace would be, plus the riveted leather construction will spread some force to neighboring plates. Its not as good as overlapped plates, but irs certainly still a lot better than nothing.

>>55303878
>your standard fantasy adventure?
That would be D&D, Forgotten Realms - so the best mundane armor that can be worn by her class and is within wealth per level budget. With shield if applicable.

>>55303878
i see a lot of shit going on here but it all really depends on what they're fighting. If its super high fantasy and everyone is wearing full plate armor and slinging magic then it doesn't really matter what you're like physically, just about everything is going to be magical in some way.
If this is grounded in reality a woman with equivalent training as a man can use a sword or spear just as effectively. Most fights come down to skill in a gritty, realistic fight.

After doing HEMA and kendo for the last 5 years ive seen plenty of women beat guys who had 50 plus pounds on them

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>Be female warrior
>Get captured
>Be gangraped by the enemy general and all of his guards
>Little did they know I have AIDS
>By losing the battle, I have won the war
What now mysoginists?

>>55317778
Sssshhh, don't disturb the idiots, they won't be able to cope with anecdotal eveidence.

Saw a 5'3 blackbelt in jiujutsu get picked up and cieling smashed by a 6' 3"
brownbelt. But he only ever managed that trick once. Mastering your center of gravity and body positioning is some weird shit..

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>>55317865
>JJ
>ceiling smashed
Were they fighting in zero-G?

>>55317865
>>55318045
seriously, ceiling smashed? where do you practice that you can hit the ceiling?

>>55303878
>What is adequate armour for a woman setting out on your standard fantasy adventure?
Whatever is adequate for a man, just in her size.

>And what is some *ESSENTIAL* starting equipment /tg/ would recommend for any fantasy adventure?
Rope, a good shovel, a pole and some pitons will carry you farther than many specialized pieces of equipment.

>>55318045
how amazing would zero g mma be?

>>55317778
>If this is grounded in reality a woman with equivalent training as a man can use a sword or spear just as effectively.

lmao, nope

>>55317778
isn't all that basically touch tag football?

>>55317778
>If this is grounded in reality a woman with equivalent training as a man can use a sword or spear just as effectively.
>Some people actually believe this
kek

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>>55318045
>>55318084
>Manlets don't understand that being taller gives you longer arms and your reach goes up exponentially

Women are weak. To feel strong, women imitate men. Women are always weak.

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>>55320049
>lanklets dont understand that ground-game is supposed to be on the ground

>>55304719
But 10 is average human strength, not average male strength.
Are men 14 to compensate?

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>>55320493
>He can't squat

>>55308529
>>55308600
He's not even real. You're being trolled you moron.

Nobody like that actually has anyone at their table.

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>>55303878
Historically, they wore the same armour as men. Majorly it's up to the person describing the character or the person imagining it.

Essential equipment is usually survival gear and a weapon of some sort. Armour isn't exactly handed out to everyone starting an adventure so some will be stuck in robes and commoner gear.

>>55314714
>No, you fuckwit, even at the extremes, men are vastly superior physically

Except adventurers in these games are completely fantastical by real life standards. NOBODY, male or female, has the equivalent of 20 STR or DEX in real life. People never reach the point where they can casually lift boulders with one arm, dance on water, or survive being struck by the magical equivalent of a daisycutter.

If you're going to go realistic with STR or CON or whatever everything should be capped at 16.

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Boobplate's just for show. and to intimidate other female adventurers.

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>>55304642
gtfo

>>55321069
By that logic the average male would be strength 12.

>>55311414
>Her background is also likely to affect her choice of armor. Historically plate armor was more expensive and could only be afforded by royals, nobles, and knights while common infantry wore either leather or padded cloth armor, maybe chainmail if they were a bit more well off than the average peasant.
A breast plate was cheaper than mail. This is why plate replaced mail very quickly as it became available.

A full suit of plate was expensive but breast and back was cheap and common for soldiers.

>>55304719
Mostly due to culture. They have a lower potential than males, but lets be honest, name more than 10 people in the entirety of 4chan, even /fit/ that has actually reached their genetic potential.

Realistically, a man and a woman both training at adequate levels of combat, and without reaching genetic potential (very few do), they will be very similar.

Women resist pain more, more resistant to disease, blood loss and poisoning. They would make perfectly fine adventurers if not for culture who wants high neotony helpless women.

>>55321276
Boobplate is a terrible idea, it would deflect blades right into the heart. Its idiotic. If one would create a boobplate, it would be across the entire chest, not individual boobs.

>>55321712
>resist pain more
Only right around the time of childbirth. Outside of that they tend to have a Mich lower pain tolerance.

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>>55321750
Different anon, I remember I had this. It's at least a fun thought experiment.

>>55321847
Interesting thought experiment, makes sense but unsure.

>>55321712
name a single Olympic sport where women outperform men

>>55321895
It works if you make the same assumptions that the other anons did about sloping armor. It's all right, but pretty useless in a combat scenario - The reasons titplate isn't something that, say, Greek weapon makers worried about was that it was very difficult to get enough force to penetrate through _any_ amount of armor, and by that time you'd usually already be dead from impacts or other things. A hammer will kill someone in titplate or in flatplate just as fast.

>>55321904
Are you being serious?

I said, men have higher genetic potential. Olympic athletes are exactly that, humans reaching their genetic potential, ofc not a single woman will reach it, but what are olympic athletes in regards to normal population? 0.000000001%?

Soldiers are no where near their genetic potential, they are strong and fit, yes, but not there. Much less in a medieval setting where training wasnt that prevalent outside of knights. Mostly came from a hard life.

>>55321946
yea... you compensate for piercing, then bludgeoning does you in...

>>55321988
the west has still not recovered from the world wars in terms of replacement rate.
for that matter, name a single society in history that has recovered from mobilizing its entire population for war.
large professional armies are a relatively modern institution, in a medieval setting they would not exist.

>>55322058
Exactly what im saying. An average soldier wouldnt be that much stronger than a farmwoman, think of a russian babushka for that matter.

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>>55322128
>An average soldier wouldnt be that much stronger than a farmwoman

>>55318088
don't forget your 11-foot trap-poking pole

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>>55321750
This thread feels like it needs this image.

>>55322194
I'm 100% sure that a farmgirl in some 3rd world country is stronger than you. hard life and lots of manual labour

>>55322719
>A replicant is an average soldier

>>55321228
Your logic is retarded. Even with 20 STR and DEX (lol) nobody in the game can casually lift ANY boluders even with two arms, dance on water with strings, and probably not even survive your daisycutter example. Do your games just get absolutely pants-on-head retarded when someone goes above 14 in a stat?

Even then, this is still a poor argument to make. It's like saying "Because Mr. Universe exists, that means women can easily pull the weight of a bus by a nose ring as easily as any man". Like, fucking what? How does that flow in the slightest?

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>>55322128
No
No
NOOOOOOO

>>55322719
No, and frankly this idea is consistently disproved time and time again. Even the strongest women in the world will consistently be beaten out in terms of strength by men who are above average. The idea that someone slowly hoeing and gardening for awhile will beat out someone who is strength training specifically to beat others in combat is absolutely silly. And I'm not even bringing up the fact that many soldiers are trained through digging ditches both for strength training and team-building, but also for fortification.

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It's like I wandered into /v/ with the exact same posts, but there is one problem.
You forgot to use this one in the OP.

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>>55322128
>>55322128
GODDAMIT I THOUGHT ONCE I GOT INTO THE REGIMENT THAT I COULD STOP TAKING FUCKING SHARP, BUT NO, IDIOTIC CIVILIAN AS FUCK IDEAS FROM PEOPLE WHO FLAT OUT FUCKING IGNORE A MUSCLE DENSITY DIFFERENCE, BONE TOLERANCE, AND HYGIENE ISSUES MEANS I HAVE TO DEAL WITH THE FUCKING SPECIAL SNOWFLAKES ANYWAYS.

FUCK YOU.

>>55305023
>Sisters of Silence can kill space marines in droves anyway

don't tell lies anon

>>55304642
No, I don't think so. Thank you for asking though.

>>55322847
IIRC 20 strength is definitely enough to lift a boulder under most editions.

That said, it doesn't matter what number you hit this stuff at. Either way, humans in D&D can reach those dance-on-water levels of superhuman ability. The comparison to Mr. Universe doesn't stand up, as that's still within the realm of possibility for real humans.

Whining about female fighters in D&D is like whining about female fighters in wushu movies. In these stories, people can completely surpass normal human limits. The feats of an epic level fighter - or, hell, just a tenth level fighter - are as impossible for men as they are for women in real life.

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>>55324292
>implying even half of /tg/ has ever run a game
>implying most people on here aren't just shitposting about pretend sessions they've made up to prove a point

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>>55324408
>implying you not a retarded faggot
>implying there are not morons like Mr shitty DM out there.

>>55309969
This. He's obviously memeing, and taking it seriously is just showing how clueless you are.

>ctrl+f apron
>no results
>am disappoint

I'm okay with females playing in my game, but they obviously can't run STR-based martials, though none have ever asked to play one.
I also restrict everyone to playing their own gender, though only because we've had some bad experiences with men making the group uncomfortable while playing female characters.

>>55328066
Oh, with keeping on thread topic: Always bring rope. I know it sounds obvious, but it's very very useful, and you'll get screwed over if you fforget it.

>>55327761
Aprons would be leather, which was already mentioned in the OP, anon. Smiths certainly wouldn't wear cloth aprons; they didn't have fire-resistant cloth back then. Wool was about as close as you'd get and I don't think they could compress it enough to create the necessary effectiveness.

>>55324237
>IIRC 20 strength is definitely enough to lift a boulder under most editions.
No, not a single edition even remotely implies that. It makes you noticeably stronger than the world's strongest, but it's not by that much. You are pulling head-canon out of your ass because that is where your head is stuck.

>Either way, humans in D&D can reach those dance-on-water levels of superhuman ability.
They literally cannot. No edition of D&D gives you even the remote possibility of lifting up a boulder with a single arm without physically adjusting your size, nor does it ever give you the ability to dance-on-water outside of special monk-only abilities. The closest you have is maybe a DC 80 balancing check, and that's impossible to reach within the 20 levels of 3.PF core book. You are REQUIRED to go into epic levels. The comparison to Mr. Universe stands, and your argument is indefensible.

The reason I "whine" about portraying women with a huge weakness that they have and must learn to overcome in order to fit in and help is not only does portraying the "STRONK" woman narratively disable the gender in general, thus making an effective male character with tits, it also ACTUALLY portrays an unrealistic standard that no woman could hope to get close to, and pursuing such a standard will make them radically unhappy and potentially put them in danger.
>Buh hercules and beowulf! Men can't be them
No, but men can strive to be LIKE them, and that's the key element there. The hero in those stories is meant to portray an exaggeration of positive elements, such as being strong and the ability to defeat your enemies through your strength and toughing out the damage. Men may never be hercules or superman, but they can strive to obtain qualities that are like them or their ways of thinking. Women who try to grow muscle have a retarded hard time at it and will fail to even the most casual gym-going lardass just based on size alone. Women have other strengths.

>>55321750
>blades piercing plate

Okay Hercules.

>>55330620
To be fair a tuck or estoc that was made to do so could, though you had to be in a good position to get a really meaty stab in on someone and that seems somewhat unlikely. But yeah, you ain't stabbing a broad blade through that shit easily, and you ain't chopping through it either.

>>55330653
Gonna need some source for that. As far as I know they're made to exploit weaknesses in the armour, not going right through it.

>>55330690
Plate is a tough call. Chain is completely fucked though.

Here's a corseque going though plate.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Fu4LivPsOc
Now, mind you, of course this thing has more leverage, and yeah, you're right, you're better off attacking spots where the plate is thinner, or where there's mail filling the gaps, but it can happen with thrusting weapons. Estoc were, in the end though, as you say, an enlarged misericorde.

>>55317817
In hetero sex men are much less likely to catch STDs than women.

>>55317817
>doesn't know about the mechanics of disease transmission

>>>kitchen

>>55305219
not bad

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>>55304642
Bitches leave

>>55323069
eh?

>>55318045
>>55318084
The average ceiling is only eight feet high, anons. At 6' 3" a man can easily smash someone that weights 130 pounds agaisnt the ceiling.

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>>55321946
.....you know that they literally made manboobplate, with the exact flaw everyone complains about right?

RIGHT!?

Look at that, just waiting to guide that swordblade right up into your ribs directly to your heart and lungs. Man, that's a great design.

>>55304642
Newfags need to go and stay go.

The day lurk moar stopped being the response to most questions is the day 4chan died.

>>55337903
Wasn't that exclusively for officers though?

>>55337787
Nigger do you practice in your living room or something?
A proper sports hall or dojo has a fucking 6 meter or higher clearance.

>>55340324

>not being able to throw someone 6 meters into the air

DEXfags, everyone

A box of tampons and pretty shoes

>>55340851
But what about someone that is not you?

>>55342442
rekt

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>>55303878

Spend the money, add the weight limit, and I as GM don't care how you want to describe your armor. Midriff-baring full plate with exposed thighs, deep cleavage, and high heels? Enjoy. Barrel-chested roundplate that makes you indistinguishable from men? Enjoy. It's all cosmetic anyway, as long as I don't hear some bullshit like "I shouldn't get a penalty on my save vs. lightning since we established that my full plate armor doesn't cover as much as most."

Personally, I like boob-plate. The one time I played a female fighter, that's what I went with because why the hell not? I also like aggressively-oversized impractical spiked plate armor for male characters and no one seems to have an issue with that.

As for starting gear, always a ten-foot pole, always rope, always a light source, always rations, always a trinket related to RP backstory.

>>55304642
Found the passive-aggressive, limp-wristed genderqueer male feminist. Disingenuous questions don't open conversations about oppressive gender roles; they just make you sound like a whiner.

>>55344579
>adhesive scale mail bra
why even wear "armor" at that point

>>55304642
Why?

>>55305872
GURPS doesn't recommend it, you trog. It says on p. B19:
>"The GM should never require either of the above options."

It just states what's more realistic, and if a player (not GM) would like to model such realism they can do so by having a -1 to -2 ST for women.

>>55337903
That's not real.

>>55337903
People complained because they were heavy and uncomfortable, not because of its lack of protection.

Even scale armor, which is known for "being shitty armor because it doesn't protect from upwards thrusts", wasn't actually that vulnerable.

>>55330620
It's Heracles you nonce.

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>>55305536
This is a typical and utterly terrible representation of real armour, as is the case with all these medieval boxing clusterfuck things

>>55347418
how?

>>55321750
>>55330620
>>55330653
>>55330690
>>55330758

only really a problem if you are facing couched lances and or siege artillery, but I still think it looks stupid 96% of the time

>>55305409
>>55305385

there are some suviving really nice italian ones made out of leather and probobly from there the idea of studded leather comes

fut most were made out of fabric or if made of leather covered with fabric as far as i know