/5eg/ - Fifth Edition General

Were on page 6 why did you do this?

>>55296395
Variant human for what feat? I don't see any necessary feats for a dex Paladin.

Also is dex Paladin even worth it? What are some pros cons?

>>55296414
Xanathar's Guide to Everything

>>55296432
kill yourself

>>55296448

well the cons are that you're way shitter than a strength pally. Pro would be that you're better than PHB ranger, so you got that going for you.

>>55296448

It's really not that great, wouldn't recommend.

>>55296462
Why though? Strenght only provides a little bit more damage and slightly better AC, while dex gives you better initiative, saves and ranged options without multiclassing or magic initiative.

>>55296432
Nobody cared enough to talk about it last thread, nobody cares enough now.

>>55296496
You can't smite at range

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>>55296496
>ranged options
Smites are melee only bruh

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>>55296506
>dex is exclusively range

>>55296494
>be bugbearmont
>hiding in the rafters
>use your monstrous reach to snag some fucker from 15 feet away and hoist him off his feet
>poor victim can't even let out a groan because his throat is squeezed tighter than his own anus
>asphyxiated and neck-snapped man flopped over the rafter as you creep along and murder the rest of his pals

>>55296506
>>55296524
You can't and I never said otherwise, but there are always rounds where you can not get into melee, so still being able to do anything is neat. When you get into melee you can smite with dex weapons just the same as with str ones.

I still don't see why Str Pala is so much better than Dex Paladin.

>>55296552
You can't GWM + PAM with dex

>>55296584
shield master with level 7 ancients and become the anti-mage

>>55296550
>not leaving them hanging from the rafters by a hastily built noose

Come on, don't you have any sense of style?

>>55296432
>>55296432
Since when is Faerun, Earth? As if every "fantasy" planet has to have the same diversity as our own? Why is this even a thought?

You must scream about whitewashing in everything around you. As if you think there is some conspiracy that WOTC is intentionally not being diverse. You have way to much time on hands.

And to answer why all the Middle Eastern characters in the north, why not? Even though even though there is no "middle east" in Faerun, at least not like it is on Earth.

How do you play a Conquest Paladin in ToA? What could he want to conquer?

How do you play a low level Conquest Paladin in general? How are you supposed to fulfill your tenets if everything is stronger than you?

>>55296718
>feeding the troll

>>55296718
I don't really complain about whitewashing in everything. I'm just confused as to why there aren't more black characters.

>>55296670
There's actually some pasta about this. Search for the bugbear contractor.

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It was always my dream to have my leg in one of the 5E thread pictures. Just grabbing pictures of magic items that someone wanted.

>>55296809
fuck off and die, no one cares about your shitty race baiting

>>55296765
Chult is a big backwards jungle full of tiny tribes. You could easily be taking over and uniting in the name of either Ubtao, the primordial spirit that empowers the druids and priests in Chult, or you could be campaigning against them, and bringing Jesus to the natives.

>>55296670
No, I have a sense of survival

>>55296864
That's... unique

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it also come with a nice big map like curse of strahd

Can 5 level 1s take on a troll and win

>>55296884
>>>/pol/

>>55296894
Fuck no, they'd get demolished

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>>55296432

>>55296900
Is the ring of winter actually in the book? Thanks for the shots so far.

>>55296809
If you could be anything, why would you be a nigger?

>>55296981
Because they're better than white people.

>>55297022
lol burrrnnnnnn!!!!

>>55297022
Why are you pretending to be me? To start arguments? I don't think that black people are better than whites, I just want them to be represented in fantasy.

>>55296885
>implying I'm throwing the staff into the sphere
It's okay dude. I'll just cast Contingency with Protection from Evil and Good if I fail my save.

>>55296929
Honestly just stop responding to the bait. We managed to ignore him for like 2 hours in the last thread. We can keep this marathon going.

>>55297047
No one is pretending to be you. I was only giving my reasoning.

Is this thread going to be somehow even worse than the last thread?

>>55296966
Looks like it's on the previous page of this. >>55296885

>>55297078
Why not? That's what every thread is like.

Which is the best gish, Paladin/Sorcerer or Paladin/Bard?

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>>55296966

>>55297078
W H I P S

>>55297100
Paladin/paladin is pretty good

>>55297117
No, last thread's thing was backgrounds.

Captcha: "Georgenschwaigstr." What the actual, factual fuck.

>>55296894
They can if they meme it up with a horse and a troll willing to be kited by a guy with fire bolt.

>>55296885
Oh hey they updated the ring of winter to 5e.
I wonder how they balance it given its big detriment in AD&D was based on RP, if you ever tried using the ring for a non-altruistic task it killed you and everyone within miles of you, which doesn't seem like something they do these days.

Reminder: Don't response to stupid and obvious bait. Thank you.

>>55297110
Nice rotation friendo____

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>>55297110

As a DM do i really have to allow my bard to seduce anything if they roll high enough

>>55297127
Don't tell me what to do tripfag

>>55297128
Yeah im not sure why its the wrong way when i flipped it already, whatever its good enough

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>>55297135
>"I roll to seduce" meme

>>55297127
Does responding to tripfags count?

I've missed the stats for the ring of winter in SKT because the frost giants are searching for it to create an ice age

>>55296809
WE

>>55297161
Yes, it does. I think it's some sort of meta-humor.

>>55297123
But taking only 2 levels in Paladin gives you Smite and Heavy Armor without any silly oaths holding you down. Personally I feel like Valor Bard is a good multiclass because you still get extra attack that way.

>>55297160
Im 100% fucking serious I have a meme bard in my party

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>>55297165
ARE THE CRYSTAL GEMS

>>55296432
When are the mods of /tg/ going to stop sucking cock and removing this faggy /pol/ posts?

Report this kind of shit.

>>55297182
This is somehow even worse than the usual.

>>55297176
If you're a paladin, you've sworn an oath. You may not be benefiting from it yet, but you're devoted to the path. That's literally where your power comes from.
Also, if you think oaths are silly, you can just refluff paladin. You don't have to come up with this "I'm just dipping so it's not binding" meta-explanations.

For DMs who use music in your games,
by what categories do you sort your music?

>>55297110
>>55297131
So to balance the ring they made the ring itself so evil it wants to kill everyone including the wielder?

I guess that works. Also neat that they turned one of the methods of destruction (freezing the entire world) into just one of its casual powers.

>>55297189
>/tg/
>mods

>>55297193
Better than /pol/ bait memes to bee desu

>>55297171

It is exactly meta humor, but you get disadvantage on the roll for realizing it.

>>55297181
Then just don't let them make rolls for that
The DM decides when a player makes a roll, full stop.

>>55297119
>asserts whips always make sonic booms
>everyone points out they don't unless you're trying and really good
>switches tactics and asserts that killing someone drops them to the ground with a huge clatter
>people point out that in pulling someone, you can maintain contact with them and hold them up
>switches tactics AGAIN and asserts that strangling someone to death makes enough noise to alert everyone within a 200 foot radius
What will you do now when we point out that no, ears don't work like that and you can actually kill people silently.
if you were smart you'd hit on the fact that there is no "pulling attack" in the game, raw

>>55297227
But me not letting people roll for whatever they want upsets one of my players

>>55297244
Let them attempt it, but there are some people who simply will not fall in love with him.

>>55297244
That player is a retard and you should tell them to get the fuck over it. Don't let the players run the game for you if you expect to have any kind of control.

>>55297220
The metahumor becomes shitposting if you keep doing it.

>>55296432
Storm Kangz Thunder has a distinct lack of Kangz

>>55297236
What we'll do is tell you to not import old arguments into the new thread.

>>55297227
As a DM, there's nothing I hate more than a player saying they roll a specific skill, because that's metagaming of the highest order.
Also as a DM, I love it when a player has a conversation with an NPC, and I get to drop "hmm, he's hesitating. Roll persuasion."

I like to create more flavour weapons rather than just +Xs.

The next quest is having the party recover an meteor so the blacksmith can forge a weapon with it.

My first idea was that if you beat the target AC by more than 7, you do an extra d4 radiant damage, beat the AC by 10 and it does d6 extra and a critical hit is 3dX +Mod.

Thoughts?

Blacks are a minority in the forgotten realms because chult is a long ways away and most people there are too poor to ever afford to immigrate

Dark skinned people are a minority in the forgotten realms because chult is a long ways away and most people there are too poor to ever afford to immigrate

>>55297236
>getting me confused with other people

fucking lol

as long as we're on the same page that "silent kills" are strictly non-raw/rai meme bullshit then I'm good.

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>>55297182

What class should my Yuan-Ti be: Bard, Sorcerer or Wizard?

>>55297326
Wizard

>>55297290
Don't make people do math.

>>55297078
Only if stupid fuckmooks keep responding to the bait.
And since the level of stupid fuckmooks has massively increased in variety and number on /tg/ in the last several years for whatever reason, probably yeah.

>>55297326
Banned.

>>55297290
5e combat is a goddamn slog. Why do you want it to be more of a slog?

>>55297290
Both weak and complicated (except the critical bit, that could be useful occasionally).
You could just make it do +1d4 radiant unconditionally - not at all OP without a to-hit bonus.

>>55297359
5e is literally the least sloggy D&D has ever been. I'm not sure what you're smoking.

>>55297290
Too much silliness.
Meteor metal conducts arcane energies, counts as magical for resistance shit and either count as a shield against ranged spell attacks, or allows casters to wield meteor weapons without proficiency, depending on who you want to use it.

>>55297181
No. You can't just 'roll' for everything. Some things are literally impossible. Your faglord bard cannot roll to seduce every tom dick and harry he comes across just because he craves semen.

Tell him he rolls and automatically fails and if he tries that "but muh nat 20" remind him that nat 1's and 20's aren't automatic fails and successful and they never fucking were.

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>>55297212
I'm trying man.. I'm trying.

>>55297135
Sit everyone down and talk to them again about when and what they roll for. Encourage them to ask 'can I try doing this for so and so reasons', make sure they clearly state what they want to do before you ask for a roll and have the roll happen. If there is no way that the roll actually has an impact, don't bother doing the roll and just respond right away.

Just because they get a nat 20 on a skill check doesn't mean they succeed or get to do exactly what they want. Tell your group again about this - crit fails and success are only for attack rolls.

If they keep being a pissbaby, you may want to consider tossing their arse out and telling them to find the true lulz randumb campaign they want to play.

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>>55297290
Read the fucking DMG.

>>55297370
Yes, it is the least sloggy D&D has ever been if you ignore first and second edition. Even at its fastest, combat is incredibly slow. It was true back then, and it's true now. Don't make players do math.

>>55297406
>Even at its fastest, combat is incredibly slow
If you're bad

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>>55297359
>5e a slog
>remembering 4e, 3.5, 3, pathfinder, and 2e...

>>55297389
I don't know who will be getting it, so I don't want to pick a actual weapon. I reskined the Sunblade with a character in mind but the fucking Druid took it rather than the Paladin, so I now try to stick to more universal weapons.

>>55297426
Again, even at its fastest, D&D is slow as shit. Enemies have so much health.

>>55297290
Just made it a -X/+Y weapon. Inaccurate and high damage.

>>55297448
How bad are you at this game? Honestly, because you have to be really bad for 5e to be "slow as shit"

>>55297448
>slow as shit

i mean, if you think 5e, a relatively quick version of dnd is slow maybe you shouldnt be playing any form of dnd..

Remember 4e? How about all those extra attacks of 3.5?

Remember explaining to the new guy every fucking time how to calculate how to hit in 2e?

Bruh, every edition before 5e besides maybe the very first, was a slog after maybe level 5. Go find a different game if you think this shit is slow.

>>55297437
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VAMKtoEcNbI
REad the fucking DMG, starting from page 284.

>>55296414
>At-Will Spell. Acererak casts one of his at-will spells.
>ray of sickness, shield, arcane lock, knock
Might as well name it Ray of Sickness.

>>55297464
You think the other players might not be as fast? Do you play DnD alone?

From the sound of it you do.

>>55297464
It's more that I've actually played other systems besides D&D in my life. I like 5e, but to say that it's a faultless masterpiece with quick combat is just being dishonest.

>>55297484
>not having Acererak fight the party in a field of corpses
>not using At-Will Animate Dead to spawn adds next to the wizard
Do you even Lich?

>>55297519
>but to say that it's a faultless masterpiece with quick combat is just being dishonest
Who the fuck said that?
Who even implied that?
Does your mind only work in extremes?

>>55297522
Well, the casting time for that is 1 minute. But you are right, speeding it up is appropriate.

>>55297488
You're gonna have to try harder than that

>>55297539
It's a Legendary action and spawning zombies on the fly is cool as hell. I would absolutely have him do that if I am DMing the fight.

>>55297531
You implied it when you said that the only reason combat would be slow in 5e is because of incompetent players, rather than it being a fault of the system.

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Anyone have experience with including hirelings/DMPCs in their campaign? I'm going to be running a game soon but the player count is only 2, which I'm used to running for 3. I feel that having only two players is going to make things very difficult not only for the players, but for myself since I won't have as much room for encounter building.

I'm thinking about including hirelings to give enemies more things to attack and also give the players more tactical options. Is it a good idea to just control the Hirelings myself, or should I give them control of these characters during combat? I'm leaning towards letting them control the hirelings in combat that way they're playing the game more and it's not at least one turn of me playing against myself as the DM. I don't want these hirelings to be fleshed out characters, but I was thinking that if they survive enough battles and the players start to like them as NPCs, then I can turn them into DMPCs that are stated and at a lower level than the players - still giving them control of these 'DMPCs' during combat encounters.

Perhaps each province or area has its own kind of hirelings, that way travel and territorial control becomes a game in of itself later on.

>>55297547
It's alright anon, you don't have to be strong. We're here for you.

>>55296718
toril's map is based off earth, all the cultures line up with the places they are based off irl. it's even actual canon that large amounts of egyptian(black) earthen humans & their gods were brought to toril and enslaved/killed by the imaskar empire

>>55297557
Let the players control them. There's nothing worse for players than waiting while the DM plays against himself. You already control over half of all actors in any given fight, adding DMPCs just makes that worse.

>>55297557
It slows things down, but let the players control them

>>55297553
>the only reason combat would be slow in 5e is because of incompetent players
This is true
>You implied it when you said
This is false

>>55297562
Thanks anon :')

I don't like too many subraces. For my homebrew game, Hill Dwarves don't exist. Neither do Mountain Dwarves. They're just dwarves. I've already decided this subraceless dwarf will have +2 Str and +2 Con. Not sure what else to do to round it out a bit more.

>>55297691
buuuuuuut anon-chan I really wanna play a half tiefling half elf half aasimar with sverfneblin parents and a fire genie as my mentor to learning how to be a blade wizard!

>>55297691
If it's the only option, you should keep it something flexible with broad applications.
Dwarves are known for not slowing down in armor, so maybe give all dwarves proficiency with light and medium armor. That would round out your "basic dwarf" quite well, and give non-strength-users a reason to pick them.

>>55297773

I was thinking of modifying the half-orc Relentless Endurance and giving it to dwarves since it fits thematically and half-orcs aren't playable in my game. I'm afraid I might wind up overloading dwarves.

>>55297733
Mystic is the go-to class for Complete Snowflake Autists anymore.

>>55297691
Have one dwarf, but instead of giving them all 2 Str/2 Con, you should allow them to choose between 2 Str and 1 Wis. If they choose the Str, give them light and medium army proficiency because that's thematic, and if they choose Wis then give them +1 hp/level to compensate for their lower offensive power. That should work.

>>55297794
But wouldn't bladesinger also be turbo edgelord tier as well?

>>55296432
Better questions: "Is random character art on a book indicative of population demographics in a fictional world?"

(No)

"Am I retarded for engaging in such a thing?"

(Yes)

>>55297804
Bladesinger is gishier, but Mystic is THE class for those pathetic cretins who shun making eye contact with other human beings.

What are the best classes for Lizardfolk?

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>>55297830
>What's the best class for~

LICH

>>55297830
Whichever one you have the most fun playing?

>>55297830
Classes that like wisdom, con, and natural armor

>>55297733
>blade wizard
How about you work on making your character interesting instead of relying on your mechanics to be interesting for you?

>>55297553
>implying
Usually, people are so autistic that they can't pick up on implied subtexts, but you just did the complete opposite without sacrificing any of your aspbergers.

>>55296414
Whats the best early dwarf fighter wep+style

>>55297857
>playing the same handful of classes/archetypes every game

>>55297857
Some people will never be interesting.
So at least allow them some fiddly mechanics so they occupy themselves while everyone else is roleplaying.

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>>55297857
>Falling for a post that wasn't even intentional bait but was 100% ironic

You got me anon-chan, I'll stick to the virgin dwarf fighter.

>>55297872
>too socially pathetic to sustain a campaign, shows up with a new Snowflake Character for every one off session.

>>55297876
Good, leave the tiefling/aasimar Mystics to us Chads

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>>55297882
>too autistic to judge people's roleplay by their roleplay, and makes wild accusations off the drop of a hat

>>55297889
>>55297900
>>55297882
>>55297876
>>55297873
>>55297872
>>55297857

It's a fucking shitshow of trolls trolling trolls trolling trolls

Just like a typical game of dungeons and dragons.

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>>55297900
Your roleplay is a shit.

>>55297912
>your

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>>55297910
Until Xanathar's releases there's not a lot to talk about. Just answering questions for pic related and bantz.

>>55297830
Monk.

>>55296506
Yeah you can.

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>>55297930
Then I roll to seduce the entire board

>>55297947
This is what stupid people think.

>>55297954
>Int is a dump stat for Monks

Well... yeah

>>55297951
>Divine Smite
>...melee weapon attack...
>literally every smite spell
>...melee weapon attack...

>>55297973
YEAH BUT IF I PUT MY GREATSWORD ON A THIRTY FOOT POLE WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU GOING TO DO HUH? HUUUUUH?

so is someone uploading ToA? or some anon just posting pics to tease us?

>>55297951
>Starting at 2nd level, when you hit a creature with a melee weapon Attack, you can expend one spell slot to deal radiant damage to the target, in addition to the weapon's damage. The extra damage is 2d8 for a 1st-level spell slot, plus 1d8 for each Spell Level higher than 1st, to a maximum of 5d8. The damage increases by 1d8 if the target is an Undead or a fiend.
>melee weapon attack

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>>55297973
Dumb poster.

>>55297982
Break the pole

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>>55297954
>saying no to 23 free ac

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>>55297993
REEEEEEEEEEEEE WHY ARE YOU RAILROADING ME!!!!????

>>55297984
Just teasing you i don't want to wreck my new book by doing a scan. I'm sure some other anon will come through for you guys like always.

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>>55297998
>Thinking you can stack two AC formulas on top of one another.

>>55297990
So you can't smite with a bow, but you can smite with a thrown Javelin. You could throw daggers and smite with them as a Dex paladin.

>>55297988
See >>55297990

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>>55297998

>>55297998
Ignoring the whole "I'll play an alien mind to get 3 extra AC!" attitude, that's not how natural armor works

>>55298003
that's fair. my LGS won't put it out til Tues, because that's when they're doing their big AL kickoff.

dont want to buy it digitally and physically, but holy fuck do i want to read it

>>55297952
You had me at behind

>>55298027
The DDB version is worth the price desu. The hi-res maps and cross-linking are great.

>>55298038
Fuck off Mike, or bring us more UA so we can shit on it

what are the new backgrounds in ToA?

>>55297954
So what's a good one?

>>55298062
Archeologist and Anthropologist

>>55298062
Anthropologist + Archaeologist

>>55298062
Anthropologist and Archeologist

>>55298009
Oh fuck, I was the nigger all along.

>>55298082>>55298096
>>55298104
pics?

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>>55298065
A sun-worshiping Druid using the Moon Druid archetype, turn into Dinosaurs ftw, have solid AC with shield when not a Dino.

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>>55298116

>>55298106
Thanks for not doubling down on your mistake like so many others do.

>>55298125
>filename
kek

>>55298125
Ha

>>55297973
>>55297988
Uh, excuse me. I think it's time for you two to apologize now.

>>55297557
Why didn't you read the DMG anon? Read the DMG. Go ahead. It has a section on hirelings. Don't DM without reading the DMG, anon. Poor form.

>>55298176
No, Crawford is wrong

>>55298120
>druid

Fuck that, be a proper cleric.

>>55298183
People play without reading the PHB all the time. Don't see the problem here.

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>>55298189
How retarded and arrogant does someone have to be to believe that they're right and the lead designer is wrong?

>>55298208
Well you see, I can actually read the book

>>55298176
I actually completely forgot throwing weapons exist

>Monk 17 (Way of Shadow) + Rogue 3 (Assassin)
>mobile feat from Human V
>skulker from 1 ASI
>shadow arts+invisible from empty body/cloak of shadows+PWT+expertise+advantage(assassinate)=at least 27 stealth without d20 roll=surprise
>4d8 (shortsword) + 4d10 (unarmed) (crits from assassinate) + dexmod
>every turn
Am I missing something?

>>55298208
I don't know, but that probably describes almost every DM at one point or another

>>55298214
The "book" isn't infallible.

>>55298206
>>55298194
13 + Shield + Dex is a solid ac for a Druid, and the Lizard man has a built in ability to craft non-metal shields

As a Dino Druid, you can use the bonus action bit attack to say, charge as an Allosaur, and if you fail to knockdown, use the bonus bite anyway, gain some HP.

Clerics can easily match/surpass the Lizard Man's Nat AC, making them decent but not exceptional Clerics. But their wilderness survival abilities/hold breath/swim ect make them extraordinary Druids.

>>55298245
Same for Crawford

>>55298231
Yes, the fact that you will never actually play a level 20 character, let alone play 1st to 20th level, making all this theorycrafting pointless and pathetic.

>>55298231
>every turn
First turn.

>>55298231
Sneak attack damage

>>55298254
His word weighs more than both yours and the book.

What's better for a Sorcadin, stone sorcery for aegis and *teleports behind u* or favored soul for a usable spell list?

How come Type 4 Yuan-Ti (from Volo's) don't even get some sort of tail whip attack?

>>55298260
Playing a level 20 character is as easy as saying "Hey DM let's do a high level one shot."

>>55298260
Most of it could be achieved with Monk 6 / Rogue 3, though.

>>55298264
Correct. First turn with invisibility from Empty Body and advantage from Assassinate, but there is still Cloak of Shadows for invisibility, which I realize is a full action. Perhaps Cunning Action instead of Flurry of Blows in the other turns?

What could possibly give advantage on attack rolls in this type of playstyle without having to depend on Assassinate?

>>55298268
Oh yeah, forgot about that. So, another 1d6.

>>55298305
lol ok

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>>55298318
Well for one, you'd need an actual DM to go along with your nogame theorycrafting.
For two, you'd need a DM willing to waste his time coming up with a homebrew dungeon so you can field-test your autimo Kill-bot concept.

We both know you aren't going to get those things. So my original statement stands.

>>55298312
Do you mean a Yuan-Ti Nightmare Speaker? They get Constrict

>>55298362
I'm sorry your DM hates fun.

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>>55298312
Because snakes don't make tail whip attacks and humans don't make tail whip attacks.

>>55298371
I am my group's DM, and I just hate autistic optimization theorycraft bullshit.

>>55298377
I'm sorry you hate fun and missed the point of the game.

>>55298395
I don't feel bad that you think the point of the game is to optimize DPS for a character you'll never play and post about it on a Chinese Puppetry Message Board.

>>55298321
>What could possibly give advantage on attack rolls in this type of playstyle without having to depend on Assassinate?
[teammates]

>>55298412
He's not even the one who originally posted it. Stop sperging out.

>>55298419
R-Right.

>>55296432
Where do you get this stuff?
>Someone was actually autistic enough to fucking count the ethnicity of the characters

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>>55298423
>I'll theorycraft a level 20 character
>I don't even actually play this game, so I have no idea of how a Rogue works in actual gameplay.

>>55298395
I think the point he's trying to make is that he dislikes players that are unable to derive fun from playing anything other than ultra-optimized white room builds and demand their gm to provide a white room with sacks of hp to blow their load on.

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>>55297990
>Improved Divine Smite
This keys off hitting with a melee weapon. As in the object, a melee weapon, not the verb, a melee weapon attack. This means you can hit with it by throwing it.
>Divine Smite
This keys off a melee weapon attack, which is a melee attack with a weapon. All of these are codified things that are consistent throughout their use.

>>55298440
Not to mention the fact that he has a tenuous grasp of even basic gameplay concepts like Sneak Attack, meaning his entire "Play Experience" is theorycrafting on 4chan.

>>55297830
druid and cleric are obvious choices, buffs to their primary stat and a secondary/tertiary stat. if you're rolling for stats and get a decent DEX or STR, monk is super good as is barbarian. ranger works suitably well. rogue appreciates the free 24/7 mage armor.

>>55298438
You are right, I haven't played as rogue before. My shadow monk is still level 5 and I was imagining what type of damage I could possibly deal in the future. Which is why I'm theorycrafting and posting on a Chinese Puppetry Message Board to see if I'm missing anything or reading the rules wrong. Hopefully you are satisfied and can let others post about D&D in the D&D thread.

>>55298445
>August 2015 vs. July 2016

Later ruling takes precedent.

>>55298440
Monk/Rogue isn't even optimized to begin with, but it does provide a nice character niche and tons of stuff to do out of combat.

>>55298451
Lizard men aren't "Super-Good" Monks.
They don't get to add their natural AC to the Monk's Wis+Dex formula, thus they are no better Monks than any +1 Wis race.

>>55298440
It's a fair point, but how can a literal ninja not be fun to play, specially in a campaign where the world is engulfed in darkness and full of demons? The damage theorycrafting shit is just another part of playing.

>>55298449
My entire "Play Experience" is my first character, a shadow monk. Take your head out of your ass and let others have fun. You can just ignore posts you hate, but go ahead, keep sperging the fuck out about how other people play.

>>55298459
No, small child. They're two separate clarifications for two different things. Improved Divine Smite, and the difference between melee weapon attacks, and attacks with melee weapons. You can re-read as many times as you wish.

>>55298370
No I mean type 4 malisons. Legged malisons that have one or more snake tail growing out their backside.
They're easy to miss in Volo's, they're not in the monster stat blocks, they're just shoved in a purple box on page 96.

>>55298376
Yeah, true.

>>55298480
>first character
>taking the character plan to 20
There's a joke or pointed comment in here somewhere

>>55298475
where did i say that they added their natural AC to their monk AC? they're good for other reasons, like the bonus action bite-heal and the 1d6 natural weapon they get early on, boosting their early damage a bit. plus a couple of free skills, most of your selection keying off your second most important ability score. con bonus is arguably just as important as WIS to help with the d8 hit dice. it rounds out to a pretty nice kit, though not as nice as a wood elf i'll admit.

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@55298516
The problem is that there are people in this thread that were honestly confused, and your memes shouldn't be allowed to make someone show up to their next game with a throwsmiter and have an unpleasant surprise waiting for them.

>>55298509
>theorycrafting is a full-blown plan that will never change and will be followed as strict as possible
>how dare someone use their imagination to think what their first character could do in a possible future in a game that functions basely on imagination
I found the joke you are looking for, it was you all along.

>>55298516
Sorry, but >>55297990 outright states that you can smite with thrown weapons.

>>55298545
That's Improved Divine Smite, not Divine Smite or any smite spell. They are different features.

>>55298509
Let the boy dream. High levels 15+ is a drag imo. I mean most official adventures are aimed to stop 10-12, which kind of shows just how poorly supported high level play is for 5e.

>>55298540
>@

>>55298558
My DM uses chapters for level not experience level. He did say it could take a couple of years to get there, but ya know, it's not a dream if the DM is aiming for it as well.

>>55298583
What the fuck does that even mean?

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>>55298536
I don't believe you get to use the 1d6 bite as your Unarmed Strike, as it is not considered one.
Thus you can't flurry for 1d6 dmg as a Monk or combine your bite with the unarmed strike improvements you get later on.

The once per rest bonus action bite is no more useful to a Monk than any other class, less so because Monks already have built-in bonus action attacks as a class.

Where in the PHB is Size spoken of? I don't remember the details of Powerful Build's benefits in relation to how much more weight can be moved, so I'm looking through my copy of the PHB and can't find anything.

A little help, please?

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>>55298597
Read the book, black man.

>>55298603
>I don't believe you get to use the 1d6 bite as your Unarmed Strike
A monk's unarmed strike can be literally any part of your body, as it is completely unspecified.

>>55298603
>Your fanged maw is a natural weapon, which you can use to make unarmed strikes.

Yeah you can.

What's the opinion on Rogue1/Warlock2/MonkX?

>>55298604
Size is a myth.

>>55298603
>Your fanged maw is a natural weapon, which you can use to make unarmed strikes.
it explicitly states you can use it for unarmed strikes. so at level 2, you can flurry for 3d6+dex damage. also, the point wasn't that the bonus action bite was better on monk, only that it was good. the heal is very nice if you can land it and helps with survivability a bit.

>>55298621
Doesn't mention the word "chapters" at all.

Again, what they fuck does that mean?

>>55298626
If you like it, play it. Also start as monk first since it has the best level 1 stuff.

>>55298621
Referring to advancement by "chapters" implies a more specific method that isn't listed in the book

>>55298622
>>55298624
I stand corrected.
So it's useful for a few quick levels.
Still doesn't make L.M. supergreat Monks.

>>55298536
What's so good about wood elf Monks?

>>55298638
Pretty sure he means milestones. Just lay off man, newfag is new. Eventually he'll turn into a cynical, fun hating, rule abiding autist like all the rest of us.

>>55298638
>>55298664
So much for being a pompous know-it-all towards a newbie, and you don't even know what the term chapter/milestone/story-based advancement/etc. implies. What an embarrassment.

>>55298626
I have a hard time imagining there's really all that much synergy there

>>55298674
I bet he doesn't even know how to use the three seashells

>>55298667
Then I guess that means it's balanced, as 5e isn't supposed to have "supergreat" anything besides wizards.

>>55298681
:^)

>>55298664
No the rest of us understood it pretty well.
And unless his DM is going to give them a level every couple of sessions at mid to high level, he IS just dreaming.

The reality is that either their group will splinter up long before then, or his DM with get frustrated with the lack of support for high level play.

>>55298675
I basically plan to run a way of shadows monk with devils sight for when I cast darkness on anything and the 1 in rogue is mainly for expertise on stealth....plus I have an odd love for the RP capabilities of old one telepathy

>>55298699
Cool anecdotal fallacy you've got there, m8.

>>55298674
The logical assumption of leveling based on "chapters" would be gaining one level per chapter of a module, which would be retarded.

Anon who has Tomb of Annihilation. Care to post the stat block for giant snapping turtle?

>>55298707
Why is it retarded?

>>55298682
Not arguing against that, I was initially responding to someone who said that Lizardmen make particularly great monks, which might be true if you you're at very low levels or dumping WIS (which would be odd playing a race with a WIS bonus).
Otherwise they aren't anything special as Monks.

>>55298706
I've been DMing for about 30 years, I have a lot of experience with the trials and tribulations of long-running campaigns.

>>55298682
I'd put paladins up there too. Divine smite kinda gets a little ridiculous. Wizard, though, can literally do everything and more at high levels it kinda makes me cry as a DM.

>>55296414
Why is it that everyone who plays Adventure League DND makes a fucking wizard, sorcerer, or cleric

>>55298713
Just take quick look at CoS. The first two chapters are background information, and even discounting those you'd end up with an over leveled party.

>>55298725
Listen to this guy. He's not being an asshat and I can vouch for his statement.

>>55298670
increased movespeed, perfect ASI (+2 dex, +1 wis), and perception for free on a WIS class. few other nice bonuses too, mask of the wild is nice if you're trying to serve as the party's sneak asshole. longbow proficiency can be nice for a non-kensai monk who wants a long-ranged option.

>>55298703
The whole magical smoke bomb thing seems kind of meh to me. It would get in the way of allies that want to get into melee, and it also means you are wasting a turn before fighting

>>55298725
I'm glad my situation is prone to have long-running campaigns work, then.

>>55298735
It's a homebrew campaign. I mean, just because it's using chapters for level advancement it doesn't mean it's going to be easy and quick. It took us two months to get to level 4, for example, because of the choices we made, even though there were ways to advance it faster. No one is rushing it.

>>55298706
read
>>55298699

Dude, what's with the hostility? He's telling the honest truth. Whether not you will accept it or not is up to you, but what he just said is 100% accurate.

>>55298745
I'm a 49 yr old Grognard, with a stable factory job.
My whole adventuring group is close to 30 years old, and I work the same shift at the plant with half of them. Another is the wife of one of those two, and the others just happen to have fairly compatible work schedules and no toddler age children. Thus we've been able to play regularly for roughly 2 years in this campaign.

I was able to play regularly when still in H.S. and not working, but between H.S. and now I managed to have 2 campaigns that went over a full year. It's hard to get a bunch of 20-somethings together for regular games unless they are all in the same college.

>>55298773
What hostility? I explained how my DM operates based on an alternate rule, he is saying my DM is wrong because that's not he does it. It's an actual anecdotal fallacy. The only hostility here is the autistic cunt sperging out about one post theorycrafting a ninja.

>>55298770
>laying out a homebrew campaign in "chapters"

Easily one of the most retarded things I've heard all week.

>>55298770
>I'm glad my situation is prone to have long-running campaigns work, then.
Are you the first-timer with the 5th level Monk?
If so, you don't really have a basis for being certain about long running campaigns.
And your schedule might be great. What you need is 3-5 other people with exceptionally open schedules.

>>55298790
> autistic cunt sperging
Did the definition of "hostility" change when I wasn't looking... Also that poster is not the same one as the one "sperging" out.

>>55298795
How is it retarded? We are all having -gasp- fun, including the DM who prepared thie whole adventure for well over 600 hours.

>>55298801
I have basis from information I'm not willing to disclose on 4chan.

>>55298813
Who cares?

>>55298790
I wasn't saying your DM is wrong for using Milestone exp, I use Milestone EXP myself.

I'm saying that Milestone EXP isn't intended to give you a level jump from 11th to 12th in 2 sessions; your DM might actually do that, but that's not really how it's intended to go. If you hit lvl 20 within a single year you've really not played to level 20.

Can I ask what's so great about Paladins? I'e been playing one through TYP and I'm left feeling unsatisfied with the class quite often, though I'm likely also not using it to its fullest potential as until recently I just kinda played solely monks

>>55298824
I said a couple of years, and not a single year, and even then, I got that from small talk with the DM who doesn't say much about it outside the table.

>>55298829
solid defenses and smite makes paladins one of the highest burst-damage classes in the game. what exactly is happening in your game that makes you feel weak?

>>55298816
Well I suppose it doesn't. If its your thing to approach everybody as an asshole, even the ones not being hostile.

But at this point, what's the point? You're already angry and lashing at everyone.

>>55298816
It means your DM is railroading to extremes that shouldn't be tolerated.

Alternatively he's using a hipster name to describe something that already has a name so he's only an idiot for that.

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>>55298816
I'm just saying that being certain that your 5th level character is in it for a 20th level campaign,
Is akin to claiming that the girl who talked to you in the hallway is going to marry you for life and bear you many fine sons.

It MIGHT happen, but you are getting way ahead of yourself.

>>55297794
i have a yuan ti pureblood mystic in my campaign
wew

>>55298829
Can you give us more detail about your build? What's the rest of the party like?

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>>55298829

BIG DICK RADIANT DAMAGE and good saves has been my experience.

>>55298864
the only way I can imagine a bad paladin is if he uses all his spells for healing instead of smiting, and even then, that's still not terrible.

is there a RAW way that i can play as a pc skellington

>>55298848
Do you know where you are?

>>55298852
It literally means the same thing as milestone exp, except he let us know when we advanced in level.

>>55298853
And I'm just saying that I have my own reasons, just like you, to believe it's very possible. Why do you care, anyway?

>>55298876
being raised as a skeleton maybe? But then the necromancer would control you every bonus action.

Lichdom is also a thing, but thats like way high level methinks.

>>55298876
1. Drink Bleach
2. Wait for it to take full effect
3. have a note prepared before step 1. that instructs your friends to have your body stripped by beetles and your Skellington brought to games.

>>55298876
>gain immortality
>strip away skin, muscles, and guts gaining skeletal form

>>55298879
If you mean milestone then why not say milestone?

>>55298879
just because its 4chan doesn't mean everybody has to be an asshole. And considering you only ever played this once, I think you should probably listen to what some veterans think. All we're saying is don't get your hopes up for level 20. And even if you do, don't expect it to be some world changing experience, cuz its not.

>>55298901
Because to us it means the same shit, and I know we are not the only ones using "chapter" for the term. I suppose we are hipsters.

>>55298905
I wasn't the one who made it out to be a world changing experience. All I did was post a theorycraft on a ninja build with level 20 in mind. Some retard took it from there and I fed him (You)s.

>>55298864
Mountain Dwarf Ancient Oath, Defense style.

I suppose one of the reasons is the lack of a "dedicated" healer in the party, so I'm left to waste spell slots on healing. But at the same time when it comes to combat Channel divinity is limited in it's uses and I never feel quite comfortable using smite on most enemies

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Life has a way of sneaking up on you while you are making plans to hit level 20.

>>55298926

if a bunch of nerdy ass voice actors can do it why cant you

>>55298925
>I never feel quite comfortable using smite on most enemies
You just lack the Heart of a Paladin then.

>>55298925
i'd generally save your healing for bringing people back from 0. defense fight styling isn't bad. maybe try being a bit more conservative with your slots and use them for smites instead? otherwise you're just playing a fighter healbot basically.

>>55298932
Because I can't monetize it?

>>55298923
I didn't mean you did, I meant "if" you did which isn't the case.

With experience, you should know by now that you should never feed the trolls or feed bait, which is what you've been doing for a while now.

Still my previous statement stands. The nice dude and me are just saying, keep down your dream builds to like level 10-12 or even better yet 5-7.

>>55298932
Which group of nerdy voice actors has managed this without losing players?

>Defense fighting style gives +1 to AC
>Dual Wielding gives another +1
>Blade Mastery gives a third +1
>+3 AC total

How can sword & board even compete?

>>55298946
The only other person that can heal is a fucking goblin druid who on one occasion saw me go down and instead of healing me, tuned into a fucking goat and ran further into the room of hostiles.

>>55298967
Ok, mom.

>>55298925
Yeah any party without a dedicated healer is going to be boned and the ones with minor healing abilities are going to be stretched thin.
And yeah Channel Divinity is not the best recourse for offense.
I'm not sure what you mean by not being comfortable using smites, though.

>>55298971
Magic shields adding to AC and shield master giving you a bonus action shove prone you can use before attacking.

>>55298970
Matt mercer and his group of friends. Though I don't think they ever reached level 20.

>>55298992

yeah theyre 18 about to be 19

>>55298971
It could get a +3 shield and free up 2 feats

>>55298985
Good, now go to your room so I can fuck your dad.

>>55298992
People who play/develop Dungeons and Dragons for a living are an outlier. I'm sure Larry Elmore had a lvl 20 character or three.

>>55296900
>magic item that has a chance of inadvertently shrinking or enlarging the user
I'll level with y'all
This is my kink
How do I inflict this sort of thing on my players without obviously banishing them to my magical realm or making them run a tomb that's outside their level?

>>55298986

I'm too conservative with my spell slots is what it comes down to

>>55298992
Aaah but see anon totally outwitted you because Orion Acaba was outed from that group and he specifically said "without losing players" (nevermind that they were 8 players and that is a massive number not to expect at least one player to drop).

>>55299010
>play/develop Dungeons and Dragons for a living
None of them are developers and all of them make their living as voice actors (except maybe Marisha), not from the show

>>55299020

desu orion has literal aids and cancer

>>55299018
So you want to inobviously transport them to your Magical Realm.
From a moral standpoint, I feel conflicted about helping you.

>>55299010
It's not that we couldn't have reached 20 though, its that combat got boring and we already defeated the big bad. Well most of the time, life gets in the way, but in the successful campaigns we stopped before.

>>55298997
No sane DM will ever give away +3 armor.

>>55299038
what if it was cursed to always give advantage against the wearer?

>>55299038
Depends on the Armor.

>>55299025
No Marisha's a voice actress too.

>>55299027
Yep....

>>55299038
>give away

>>55299059
+3 is +3 anon.

>>55299061
The fact that they are all working in the entertainment field, and the sessions are basically extra exposure for them, is not quite but close to paying people to be in your gaming group.

>>55299074
+3 Breastplate isn't that awe inspiring, mechanically.

>>55299078
If you're going to go this far out on a limb to not admit that you're an idiot then there's no point in continuing this discussion is there

>>55299074
I think he might mean +3 ring mail? Which is just splint armor. Oh man, that'd be find.

>>55299086
You're comparing quasi-celebrities mugging for the Internets to Average Joe and the game he attends after a hard week of work.

You're the one being disingenuous.

>>55299086

dont tap your foot*

>>55299086
His argument is grasping at straws, its true, but he does have a valid point in that there is a lot more value in those sessions than there are for the rest of us.

>>55299083
Second best medium armor with +3 AC isn't good? Are you retarded?

>>55299100
It's pretty good for low str characters who still have proficiency in heavy armor though. Although I guess mithral splint or plate are even better in that regard.
But let's face it, padded and ring are basically the armors for when your player characters are broke ass bitches and useless otherwise.

>>55298971
>Kensai gets +2
>+fucking5 total

what about a fortress defense/survival style campaign
if you add up all the individual kill itd get to level 20 pretty fast

>>55299119
he would have a point if the wearer has 0 dex. but yeah I can't help but think that's a typo.

What's everyone's consensus on illusion wizards and how do I go about my DM basically ignoring all of my illusions that I place?

>>55299032
I just
want to give them the option to dip their toes

While letting them do their thing

Totally innocent, I swear

>>55299119
It's good. It's not "No Way Can I Give This Shit Out to Players" good.

Is there any reason why there's no AC15 heavy armor? Ring is 14 and Chain is 16....

>>55299128
+4 sry

>>55299148
>Ring is 14 and Chain is 16
And plate is 18

14, 16, 18, 20...

>>55299123
Well imagine that its the only +3 armor of its type. That'd sell for a lot and then you can get plate armor and shit.

>>55299136
illusion wizards are tough cuz literally it almost all depends on the DM. I would've made it to be quite powerful, but as you stated yourself, it can be moot if the DM isn't very fun loving.

>>55299133
Assuming they have a 14 Dex, +3 Breastplate is the equivalent of +1 Platemail of No Stealth Penalties.

If you won't give out +1 Platemail, you're basically saying you won't give out magic armor.

>>55299151
unless you mc ofc

>>55299153
Ring 14
Chain 16
Splint 17
Plate 18

>>55299162
I said assume 0 dex though?

>>55299180
I'm not obligated to assume that, I'm the one who brought up the +3 BP to begin with.

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>>55299148
House rule in some Brigandine.

>>55299184
umm no I'm not. you got me confused with another anon. Or you tagged the wrong post.

Though a 19 AC isn't too OP. Just problematic if they decided to do defense fighting style, shield of faith, and has a shield.

>>55299202
I said I'M the one who brought it up.
I think you are getting tired.

>>55299160

On the same note, when using minor illusion is the illusion able to move or must it be stationary?