Hey /tg/, should a mahou shoujo rpg have a "yuri" stat?

Should it? No.

Could it? Probably. It'd inform the tone of the game and directly place importance on the idea of relationships and intimacy, which some gamers aren't comfortable with, but that's not a reason to avoid it. Just something to keep in mind going forward.

>>55279179
No

>>55279179
Yes, absolutely

>>55279179
What would it govern?

>>55279179
>Defaulting Yuri to just a stat.
I bet you're the kind of guy to make RP begin and end with a diplomacy roll.

>>55280025
Social interactions between magical girls, obviously.

>>55279179
What's the point? It would always be at maximum

>>55279179
Depends how tongue in cheek you want to be with it. If everybody is on board with that sort of thing from the get-go it can be a good laugh, but if people just want cool magical girl fight scenes and chuuni beam attacks then they might not care.

>>55279179
I'd say no. Empathy, friendliness, or hell even lust could be a social stat. They can be abstracted as specifically or broadly as you need (like intelligence, strength, charisma, etc.) A sexual orientation stat will alienate players who feel uncomfortable with that like >>55279223 said, and turn away people who think it's an ERP in disguise.

If you're really into Yuri as a stat, rename it. Comradery. Affability. Intimacy. You could even put it on a scale like the WoD morality instead of a normal number for added allusion to sexuality.

>>55280106
HP: 30
MP: 15
ATK: 10
DEF: 13
SPD: 8
RNG: 17
yuri: YES
INT: 14
LCK: 9

>>55279179
Possibly. But it should definitely have a "yuyu" stat.

>>55280073
Neet

>>55279179

Was about to vote Nope (since you already (usually) got all the 'social' stats you need with Looks, Talks, Charisma & the like) but then I remembered the Relationships characteristic in the Powered by the Apocalypse games (Night Witches, for example).

It could be used to boost Willpower or reduce Corruption or cancel 'Soul' damage or shit like that.
Of course, losing the Relationship would then reduce Willpower, increase Corruption or add 'Soul' damage, but hey - you got your Yuri!

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Yuyushiki pulled me through when I was at my lowest and absolutely miserable.

>>55279179
I dunno, should 4chan have a "gay" stat?

>>55281387
See >>55280106

>>55279179
Yuri is shit for pussy faggots who are so unsure of their masculinity they're afraid a fictional 2D man will cuck them with their 2D waifu.

>>55283161
Then go over to /hm/ you faggot

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>>55280106
Not always. My gm is starting up a magical girl game and apparently magical boys are ok so long as they're cute, so I think my character is probably going to have a 0 there.

>>55283197
It's useful to wait for your buttache to subside before writing retorts, anon, or you might write something dumb like you just did.

>>55283161
Personally I'd never trust Sailor Uranus around my girlfriend, god damn prince of a woman that she is.

>>55283412
Cry more in /hm/ faggot

>>55283161
Or lesbians. We have a lot of those on /tg/.

>>55283477
Yuri isn't very much like real lesbian relationships.
That might be an advantage though.

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>>55283436
....you have a point there.

Then there is Saki, whose yuri-stat is so high it affects how she plays majhong.

>>55283494
It is, definitely. Women be crazy. Cute, but fucking crazy.

Nah.
That kind of thing should be strictly roleplsy based.
>>55283161
I just like the idea of two lolis grinding together desu.

>>55283519
Humans overall are crazy

>>55279223
I mean theoretically you can rig the rules to select for the behavior you want. For instance:
>YURI measures the unresolved tension between your character and the other magical girls
>having more YURI is almost always a good thing -- especially when interacting with your fellow magical girls
>beware! if you ever "cross the line" into "doujin territory", your YURI score immediately drops down to 0

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>>55283507
The ant community thanks you for that picture.

>>55283639
But after entering "doujin territory" with a girl, it will be easier for your character to increase the YURI score with her

>>55283806
That's not how these things go. After entering the doujin territory, girls either are retired as characters, or die. Unless it's straight up porn.

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>>55283823
>Stat dedicated to measure sexual tension and if it gets too high your character is retired and presumably settles down with their lover.
That's almost stupid enough to make sense.

>>55283327


The person in that image is a male, isn't it.

>>55283897
Indeed.

>>55283897
did the context not make it obvious?

>>55283863
What would the benefits of a low/high yuri score be? It'd have to be some sort of gamble system for it to be an interesting game mechanic.

>>55280025
It'd be like call of Cthulhu insanity but instead of Mental illnesses people would gain unavoidable impusles to do gay yuri shit, and the more of it you have the gayer you become.

So Imagine a Mahou Shoujo RPG where the cost for using your powers is becoming more and more of a carpet munching hardcore dyke until you're one of those silent silver haired ice queen uber dyke "takes the mans" position anime girls.

>>55280106
Not necessarily. Playing a completely sexually oblivious character surrounded by super-lesbos would be pretty fun. Especially if she was the prettiest.

>>55283936
It could be a metacurrency like fate points. You get it for good roleplaying, and you spend it to help get your friends out of sticky situations. I'm against there being a threshold where you're actually compelled to fugg, that seems contrary to the authentic Japanese experience.

>>55284008
That's actually a pretty common story type at the moment; a lot of "I'm straight but gosh she's pretty!" manga are coming out. I think it's a backlash to the "I'm straight but i have to go out with girls right now because I have no choice" manga that were popular a few months ago.

>>55283936
Make it a two pole system, where starting Yuri is neutral and represents a platonic relationship. Lower than neutral Yuri gives greater stress reduction/co-operation bonuses or what have you, but in addition to the flaws associated with high Yuri, it also increases the damage you take and may even open you up to character death as opposed to just getting KO'd or something. Why? Because "negative" Yuri is a more explicitly romantic/sexual relationship, and if you can get away with that on-screen, then you must be in a more serious anime, or at least one aimed at older audiences. Either way, the creators no longer need to dodge or sugarcoat the idea of death.

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Additional material

>>55284148
So before we start reading a 180 page thesis about yuri can you give a quick summary of what it's about?

>>55283327
Your GM is prancing lala homo man.
What's even the point of allowing "magical boys" if they will be completely unidentifiable from girls besides just having a dick? Might as well make the game about nothing but trap magical boys, faggot.

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Do you prefer your Magical Girls dark and edgy and full of suffering or fun and lighthearted full of sunshine and rainbows? How about somewhere in-between?

>>55283936
Lyceene (french rpg about japanese highschool girls, has a mahou shoujo expansion) had a system of positive/negative perks that would fit very well, I think.

>>55283327
HP: 40
MP: 10
ATK: 15
DEF: 17
SPD: 5
RNG: 13
yaoi: YES
INT: 16
LCK: 15

>>55284088
>two pole system
No, that's the yaoi score.

>>55284236
>Your GM is prancing lala homo man.
i'm the only guy in the game actually. it's great
>what's the point
the point is we're a bunch of perverts

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>>55284213
>he doesn't want to read a 180 page thesis about yuri

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>>55283507
>>55284236
>>55284359

>>55284394
>>55284359
Are girls who like traps gay or straight?

>>55284411
Straight.

Crossdressing=/=gay.

>>55284386
not him, but i'd like a look at the abstract to see if it's worth reading

>>55283750

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>>55283750
>>55284442
Here anon.

>>55284411
is a dude who likes ladies in pants gay or straight? It's the second one. Same thing applies here.

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How many of you have been able to play mahou shoujo campaigns where the gays is allowed? Tell me so I can be jealous about how you people managed to find people willing to give it a go while I've looked around for god knows how long and have yet to find anything.

>>55284456
if you state the intent of the game beforehand, it usually runs perfectly. Add a session 0 to help relationships and roleplay, and some incencives for rp, and you shouldn't have any problem running one.
not living in puritain burgerland also helps, I guess.

>>55284456
it seems like it'll be allowed in the game I'm playing and the answer is I have no goddamn clue. I just found my way into a group of internet libertines by complete accident

>>55284509
How do you even get into a yuri mahou shoujo focused game by accident?

>>55284600
how did you get a screenshot of my computer

>>55284603
>>55284509
That is some phenomenal luck. or the goddess of Yuri interfering with your life.

>>55284603
a friend got me into a vampire game and then got kicked out. anyway, after a long time i realized that basically everyone other than me and one other person was erping on the side. Now we're going to do a magical girl game, yay

>>55284642
Did you start ERP'ing with the other person who was also not ERP'ing?

>>55284795
nah, they're ace

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>>55284247
I like the despair side more desu. Doesn't make sense for schoolgirls to fight monsters and everything be all hunky-dory. Also makes the yuri more sensible.

>>55284456
How do you play a magical girl game where it isn't allowed? Magical girls without yuri just... isn't magical girls.

Of course the few games I've played in didn't have straight up fuckin' but there were still dates and teasing and sleepovers and other yuri stuff.

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>>55284446
>homopathic remedy
>homopathic

>>55285899
It's the Freudian Slit ... uh ... Slip.

>>55284236
Even better.
>Anon you have been selected to become a magical girl (male)
>B-but I'm a boy
>That's why I specified (male)
>But I don't want to be a trap
>Just be happy you will be a conventional magical girl (male) and not an edgy subversion where your mother forced you to dress like a girl and sells you to grown men

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This looks like a job for...

>>55283161
>I can't get aroused unless there's a cock for me to fixate on

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>>55286368
>not the pdf

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>>55286450
There you go.

>>55284411
Sexuality is a spectrum, not a binary.

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>>55284247
Somewhere in between, leaning slightly towards the darker side without going the whole nine yards with it. Sleepless Domain does it pretty well.

>>55284247
Being a magical is, and always should be, suffering

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>>55279179
>"yuri"
You can make a "players" stat chart and with that, the more time some player spend emotionally with other increases that player stat, making a character more likely to blush when the other calls she/he by the first name instead of feel displease.

Otherwise, you could make any posible yuri shit that makes your dic... i mean, feel happy!!!

Yuri is shit. SHIT!

>>55286450
Sorry, was in a rush.
>>55286500
Much thanks.

>>55285799
Proper Yuri is like 99% subtext anyway.
Anything more than brushing a cheek against the others cheek is to far.

Fuck off. ERP has been banned for a while now.
>>>/soc/

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>>55284431
Not >>55284148 , but I'm reading through it now, and it seems like a very in-depth analysis on the genre. The author has done lots of research on "contemporary" yuri works and their publications at one point she talks about interviewing 10 yuri manga editors, and even goes as far as to detail the history of yuri and how it borrows from the class s genre. Good stuff for anyone who likes yuri desu.

>>55280181
This.
As a yuri fan myself this is better for everyone.

There is plenty of hetero Mahou Shoujo like CCS and Precure. /u/ needs to get back to its containment board.

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>>55284148
Damn, this is some official purity right here.

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What's going on in this thread?

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>>55288175
>CCS
>Precure
>not yuri

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>>55288191
Good things.

>>55288175
How can one person be so wrong?

>>55288218
Canonically they are not, so yes.

>>55284311

Why don't more ttrpgs have boolean stats like that?

>>55288303
Only a brick could go through cardcaptor and not see the yuri

>>55288341
The goggles are on you too tight I see.

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>>55288303
>Not canon
You fool.

>>55288355
Next you'll tell me that Nanoha isn't gay as the sun is bright.

>>55288382
Nanoha is pretty gay as they adopted a kid, but CCS canonically isn't.

>>55288433
Sakura herself isn't, but it seems you closed your eyes and went LALALA I CAN'T HEAR YOU every time Tomoyo appeared on screen.

As for Precure, watch DokiDoki, Maho or Kirakira and tell me they aren't as gay as they could possibly make a series watched by little kids.

>>55288026
It's an official thesis in japanology validated by the Universität Trier.
It means that somewhere in Germany, there is a person with a doctorate in yuri.

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>>55288497
Godspeed

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>>55288497
>You will never be paid to research yuri

>>55284236
In the game I run, 'magical boys' are a thing, but they're basically berserkers. They let their contractor latch onto their souls, and eventually they become corrupted, wild monsters. Females don't have this problem because they can draw ambient power due to the origin of magic in the world.

What if a high yuri score also increases your chance of being molested by dark magical girls?

>>55288708
Huh, neat. Reminds me of Wheel of Time.

>>55288851
...SON OF A BITCH!

>>55288871
Nothing new under the sun, anon.
but your setting sounds cool, I like the soul-latching aspect

Nobody in magical girl anime has any idea how homosexuality works or that's it's actually a real thing, even when they're getting gay with each other. Nobody comes out as gay or bi or whatever, and in fact nobody even knows what their own orientation is even if they're having nonstop sex. It is apparently unknown that it's possible for a person to have a sexual preference.

Maybe it's a Japan thing. I remember that it was a punchline in Azumanga Daioh when Osaka asked Kaorin if she was gay, because that's not something you're supposed to talk about in anime. Saying "gay" in an anime is like saying "zombie" in a zombie movie; you're only allowed to do it in a parody because to even mention the concept destroys the assumptions on which the genre is built.

>>55288908
I suppose.
Pretty generic. In the before-time, alchemist did magical experiments on his daughter to find eternal life, inadvertantly turned her into a living god, she freaked the fuck out and got mostly locked away. She created monsters & gave people power to fight them with the intent of making enough ambient magic that she could eventually re-manifest in the real world. Men go nuts with the power she offers via monsters (contractors) because daddy issues.

>>55288465
And Sakura never reciprocated any of that. I don't see how it is a yuri series as a result.

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>>55289052
Anon there is more to yuri than two girls clam-jammin'.

>>55288930
I think they do know it's a thing, but they treat it as the most normal thing in the world. Or it's a thing that just happens and isn't worth commenting on.

>>55289052
She was still important for the genre, though. Maybe not as much as Sailor Uranus and Neptune back then in the pre-Nanoha days but still a contribution.

>>55289100
Yes, your delusions matter as well. You claim that Precure is yuri, even though it is a series where you have main characters attracted to men. I guess that anything that has two women being on good terms is yuri by /u/'s definition.

>>55284148
humanities were a mistake

>>55289146
Maybe we watch different shows, but in the ones I've seen they seem baffled by it, like they've never even heard of it before. They always think they're inventing it.

>>55289171
You do know there are like 13 ot do completely different Precure series, right? Not all of them are yuri, but some are.

>>55289235
I'd say most are on undertones alone.

>>55289173
Nah. speaking as a compsci student that person is contributing more to society than I ever will

>>55289335
And considering the age bracket, that's enough.

>>55289335
If your yuri is more than subtext, you're trying to hard.

>>55289692
There's nothing wrong with a payoff.

>>55289700
I feel we have differing goals. You're not wrong, though.

>>55289765
Plant the seed of doubt vs hammering the fact in. Good point, both approaches have their pros and cons.

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>>55289802
>hammering the fact in

>>55289585
I don't see how age bracket makes it automatically yuri. The show is what it is, and doesn't somehow become more gay because they couldn't make it gay when marketing it to kids.

>>55290472
I'd agree that this is poor reasoning. Yuri does lean heavily on undertones and subtext, but I don't think age groups has anything to do with it.

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>>55284088
>Two pole system
You mean like an axis? Chaotic Yuri? Lawful Straight? I dunno, anon, that sounds kinda silly.

>Lower than neutral Yuri gives greater stress reduction/co-operation bonuses or what have you, but in addition to the flaws associated with high Yuri, it also increases the damage you take and may even open you up to character death as opposed to just getting KO'd or something. Why? Because "negative" Yuri is a more explicitly romantic/sexual relationship, and if you can get away with that on-screen, then you must be in a more serious anime, or at least one aimed at older audiences. Either way, the creators no longer need to dodge or sugarcoat the idea of death.

I'd say negative Yuri means the relationship is more obviously platonic and FRIENDSHIP based. Fewer falls that put the two eye-to-eye for a heart-throbbing second, fewer "nobody will dance with me wahh"s replied to with "I.. will dance with you at the prom"s.

It would have drawbacks for going to far in either direction. I figure, if a high Yuri score would mean that they're explicitly mashing clams, too low would mean the passion is gone from whatever relationship is had and even the most fervent shippers with the thickest goggles couldn't see them in lesbians. Maybe debuffs to represent that, metanarratively, you're becoming less popular and growing more distant from the cast. Things like a higher chance of being the victim of the week, or a greater chance for you to have friction with the other girls in the group.

A High Yuri score would result in direct lesbians. I figure one of the earlier debuffs for going too far would be having some sort of Sanity stat tied to the other player, so if something traumatic occurred to one it had a chance of spiraling and killing both of you. After a certain point, maybe the girls with a lower score start to feel like there's too much diabeetus in the room and start trying to escape the giant pink cloud of "pure" clam-mashing love.

>>55292311
>After a certain point, maybe the girls with a lower score start to feel like there's too much diabeetus in the room and start trying to escape the giant pink cloud of "pure" clam-mashing love.
DO THAT AT HOME

>>55287684
>>55288015
>>55288175
Go be retarded faggots somewhere else

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>playing a Magical Girl campaign
>Yuri is a legitimate strategy to achieve the good ending

>>55284415
Gee Fate, how come you get to show up twice?

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>>55288829
and then it turns into role reversal half way through?

>>55288930
It depends

Two of the Sailor Senshi are in a homosexual relationship and arent hiding it, and pretty much everybody is in love with Usagi

The creator of Nanoha, along with the voice actresses of Nanoha and Fate and several other members of the production team are adamant that Nanoha and Fate are a couple, but the producers seem to think teasing it but not making it canon will make them more money

There's at LEAST one lesbian in Mai Hime, but I haven't watched that

The RE version of Cutie Honey was pretty fucking gay

>>55294234
Anon, no.

>>55295173
Anon, yes!

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>>55283327
>I think my character is probably going to have a 0 there

>>55283507
>homopathic therapy
Don't think I don't see that, motherfucker.

>>55280025
Teamwork boosts
>get gayer
>work together better
>get gayest
>work together best

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>when the Magical Girl campaign becomes the realest shit

>>55279179
Sure, make it reskinned Charisma.

>>55283161
>not wanting to be the girl

>>55283936
Have it a -100-to-100 system.
At zero, realistically probably -10 to +10, this is an uncomplex relationship of acquaintance and coworkership, and has no mechanical effect.
Lower yuri , down to around -50%, represents some level of discomfort between the two. The characters receive penalties to cooperation-based checks, but also receive bonus armor, since they are more in the mindset of being on their own with someone rather than relying on them.
Positive yuri, up to around 50% represents a friendly relationship, without serious sexual tension outside of, maybe, one or two awkward occasions. Shit happens, right? This grants the opposite. An increase to cooperation based checks, at the cost of some armor, since they are expecting to cover eachother's backs.

Lower than -50% yuri represents either outright dislike of the other person, or repressed sexual frustration, most likely an internal conflict as opposed to an external. In addition to amplified previous effects, the girl deals more damage, pent-up emotional release and whatnot, but is vulnerable to mental and emotional attacks and suggestion, given their already strained mental state.
Higher than 50% positive yuri reflect either a sisterly relationship, or more likely, a romantic/sexual relationship, if not an outright open relationship. In addition to amplified previous effects, the girl gains protection from mental and emotional attacks, the power of love overcoming bullshit, but looses sensitivity to magic and is vulnerable to power draining, since the increased comfort and "fuzzy feelings" reduce her guard even more than usual
Very high or low scores also result in serious consequences if the other party dies.

Yuri ranks do not necessarily have to be complementary. Girl A can view girl B as a dear friend and sister, resting at a 90%, while B really wants to dive that muff, but is upset with herself over it, putting her at a -70%. Or Girl C has a crush on D, putting them at 60% and 0% respectively.

>>55288497
You know what.
Somewhere in me, I feel the degeneracy has gone too far. I feel that someone having a doctorate in this is just retarded, and a bigger statement about the half-assed state of academia than on any amount of triggering over what people want to fap to could ever come close to approaching.
But I still want to give this person a pat on the back. Just for actually fucking doing it.

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>>55284600
>Not handholding

>>55279179
No, Yuri fags need to fucking fuck off

God I want to play a Magical Girl who just loves men and dicks and thinks other girls are dumb because of you faggots.

Florence Nightengale, basically

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>>55300473

>>55300488
Yuri has TWO boards of it's own already, go and stay go

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>>55300504
Cry more you dumb faggot.

>>55300473
So, stay with me for a second.
If a magical girl has her power, right?
And she fucks a dude and gets pregnant, right?
Is the baby A: A magical girl/boy itself, having inherited the mom's power?
B: Miscarried when its mother's magically empowered abdominal and pelvic muscles crush it?
Or C: An ordinary, mundane baby that somehow survives that uterus of death?
This is important.

>>55300536
this seems like more of a wonderwoman question than a magical girl question

>>55300536
The exercise is impossible under the basis of
>magical girl
>fuck a dude

We're going to assume A as the answer, however.

>>55300571
>The exercise is impossible under the basis of
>>magical girl
>>fuck a dude

Sailor Moon.

And the answer IS A, in that instance. Why does everyone forget magical girls liked boys just fine prior to Magical Girl Lyrical? Nanoha was UNIQUE at one point, a long with some subtext in Card Captor (subtext not reciprocated by Sakura I add) and the outer planet lesbiants in Sailor Moon.

>>55300536
Traditionally, the child inherits the potential to become a magical child, but the actual circumstances of them gaining that power are still determined by fate/the familiar/situations.

>>55300587
Dark times are best remembered only as warnings.

>>55300587
Does it trigger people today that Sailor Moon pairs off with Japanese Batman?

>>55300624
Nah, I was always an Ami girl, though Saturn was my go to fetish/BDSM bait girl.

>>55300624
probably

And that Mercury gets a boyfriend in the first fucking season and they stay together through the whole story

Mars, Venus, and Jupiter are all attracted to men too.

>>55300637
I rate them:

Jupiter
Mercury (sadly taken)
Mars
Venus
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Moon

>>55300662
>And that Mercury gets a boyfriend in the first fucking season and they stay together through the whole story
Retconned to hell and back in Crystal, if I recall.

>>55300717
>dissing based melvin

Oh well at least this means waifu is available.

I like Jupiter best though.

>cooks
>tallest
>best rack
>just wants to be loved

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>>55299970
This

>>55300624
>>55300587
Sailor Moon was chock full of yuri too, asshats. Not just the gay sailors, either.

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>>55284247
>or

>>55288930
anon, the characters are growing up

>>55300624
mamoru is a high schooler in crystal instead of an uni student, he's played by a woman in pic related

>>55301422
In Nozomi's case, CHA with a bit of yandere on the side.

>>55279179
literally won't play it otherwise

>>55283327
Just play a futa, christ.

>>55305139
No! That's no fun at all.

>>55305742
Literally the exact same thing.

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>>55300504
Yuri is quintessentially a mahou shoujo thing. Get over it.