Conan setting > LOTR setting > GOT setting

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>>55274638
Conan setting > GOT setting > LOTR setting, but we can agree Conan is best in life.

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>>55274651
yes, correct lineup right there

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>>55274651
>Not Conan/LOTR setting
Really?

>> GOT setting
I can agree on that.

>>55274638
objectively wrong.
>Conan setting = LOTR setting = GOT setting

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Dragon Ball Z setting > > > > > > > > > > mountian of shit > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Conan setting > LOTR setting > GOT setting

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>>55274675
Nah we do it real, anonbro.

>GoT
>original in any way

>>55274815
its like LOTR but with RAPE and long talks about TAXES. Very adult.

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>GOT over LOTR
>ANYTHING over LOTR

Your pitiful settings wouldn't exist if it weren't for The Bard of our time. You disgust me past disgusted.

Honestly, the Conan setting itself is pretty damn boring. The stories were great, but the setting wasn't its strong suit.

>>55274915
>Conan, an older property by far, owes its existence to LotR

You fucking plebian.

>>55274678
kewl

>>55274638
No
Conan setting > LotR setting >>>>>> shit >>>>> getting a blowjob from your own father >>>>>> GoT

Where does Moorcocks Elric fit in with you guys?

But Thingol looked in silence upon Lúthien; and he thought in his heart: 'Unhappy Men, children of little lords and brief kings, shall such as these lay hands on you, and yet live?' Then breaking the silence he said: 'I see the ring, son of Barahir, and I perceive that you are proud, and deem yourself mighty. But a father's deeds, even had his service been rendered to me, avail not to win the the daughter of Thingol and Melian. See now! I too desire a treasure that is withheld. For rock and steel and the fires of Morgoth keep the jewel that I would possess against all the powers of the Elf-kingdoms. Yet I hear you say that bonds such as these do not daunt you. Go your way therefore! Bring to me in your hand a Silmaril from Morgoth's crown; and then, if she will, Lúthien may set her hand in yours. Then you shall have my jewel; and though the fate of Arda lie within the Silmarils, yet you shall hold me generous.'

Thus he wrought the doom of Doriath, and was ensnared within the curse of Mandos. And those that heard these words perceived that Thingol would save his oath, and yet send Beren to his death; for they know that not all the power of the Noldor, before the Siege was broken, had availed even to see from afar the shining Silmarils of Feanor. For they were set in the Iron Crown, and treasured in Angband above all wealth; and Balrogs were about them, and countless swords, and strong bars, and unassailable walls, and the dark majesty of Morgoth.

But Beren laughed. 'For little price,' he said, 'do Elven-kings sell their daughters: for gems, and things made by craft. But if this be your will, Thingol, I will perform it. And when we meet again my hand shall hold a Silmaril from the Iron Crown; for you have not looked the last upon Beren son of Barahir.

Even in that dark hour Beren and Lúthien returned, hastening from the west, and the news of their coming went before them like a sound of music borne by the wind into dark houses where men sit sorrowful. They came at last to the gates of Menegroth, and a great host followed them. Then Beren led Lúthien before the throne of Thingol her father; and he looked in wonder upon Beren, whom he had thought dead; but he loved him not, because of the woes that he had brought upon Doriath. But Beren knelt before him, and said: 'I return according to my word. I am come now to claim my own.' And Thingol answered: 'What of your quest, and of your vow?' But Beren said: 'It is fulfilled. Even now a Silmaril is in my hand.' Then Thingol said: 'Show it to me!' And Beren put forth his left hand, slowly opening its fingers; but it was empty. Then he held up his right arm; and from that hour he named himself Camlost, the Empty-handed.

>>55274638
Are we talking about the literary or cinematic setting?

>>55274972
Why is your dad so bad at blowjobs?

Technically, since Conan's setting and LotR setting are both antediluvian Earth, Conan setting == LotR setting.

But, yes, Earth >> Planetos as a setting.

>>55274651
I respect your opinion, though I disagree.

>>55274884
sigh... this is why roleplaying sucks as a hobby. Only bottom dwelling nerds play it and so precious few of them have any social skills to appreciate intrigue, politics, and influence. The few that do are people who got rich by doing so and therefore have time to play RPGs.

>>55274651
But even I can't disagree. Conan is excellent. And furthermore >>55274954 is correct, so it has legacy status as the progenitor of modern fantasy as well.

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>>55274651
You're a fine gentleman Anon. Though, placing LOTR at the bottom I consider to be by no means an insult. That trio is miles above most other settings.

>>55275161
I will admit I am voting only for the GoT setting. I like the backdrop. I am not happy with where the story has gone in the last few books. I preferred it low magic and more grounded in base politicking and interpersonal woes. It's a lot less a 'Game of Thrones' now and more a 'Forgotten Realms of Thrones'. And unto that I say 'meh'.

>>55274940
I dunno, I think "Broad strokes version of most pre-modern cultures" + "Cthulhu Mythos" is a pretty fun setting. It's true that Howard's world isn't super original or detailed, it's more of a broad back drop for thrilling action. Still, I think an Egyptian necromancer leading an alliance of Roman Centurions, Zulu warriors and Huns against a group of Medieval French Knights and their Anglo Saxon infantry allies is pretty fun.

>>55274678
Could Conan wear the ring?

>>55275326
It's fun, but kinda goofy. Which means it ultimately succeeded at what Howard designed it for (he just wanted to make money off his writing, there wasn't a deeper meaning to it) but it is still kinda goofy.

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>>55274995
Above all.
Moorcock's multiverse> Conan setting > LOTR setting > GOT setting

You see me now a veteran....

>>55275218
>sigh... this is why roleplaying sucks as a hobby. Only bottom dwelling nerds play it and so precious few of them have any social skills to appreciate intrigue, politics, and influence. The few that do are people who got rich by doing so and therefore have time to play RPGs.

Oh god, tell me about it. The worst aspect of this hobby is the fanbase by far. Many are socially inept, utterly uncultured, and completely lacking in any sense of maturity.

>>55275584
As a setting, Moorcock's was legitimately imaginative and quite a bit of fun. But I feel nowadays it's hampered by the fact GW lifted so much shit out of it, leaving comparisons to Warhammer inevitable.

>>55275586
>Oh god, tell me about it. The worst aspect of this hobby is the fanbase by far. Many are socially inept, utterly uncultured, and completely lacking in any sense of maturity.

So, in other words....GoT fanbase..?

>>55275584
Of a thousand psychic wars?

>>55275600
True. But WH doesn't get "it".
>>55275630
I've been living on the edge so long.

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>>55274638
Barsoom>Conan Setting>Elric Setting>Vance Post-Apocalypse SciFantasy Setting>>>>>>>Lotr Setting=GoT setting.

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>>55275586
Behold, a game best played by imaginative AND socially intelligent people, for some reason never played by the socially intelligent.

Conan books a good read?

>>55275654
>True. But WH doesn't get "it".

It doesn't, but neither do most geeks. So you're going to get a bunch of clamorous cretins making Warhammer references the entire time.

>>55275678
An excellent read. Don't expect deeper themes, and don't expect character depth. The action is fast-paced, the subject matter is fun and weird.

Conan himself is a wankpile.

Conan > LotR > Power Gap > LotR Imitators > Power Gap > GoT

These are the true and honest facts.

>>55275700
That's why i'm dreading the inevitable Elric adaptation.
I challenge normies to fully grasp the tragic nature of City In the Autumn Stars.

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>>55274915
>Compares Tolkien to The Bard
Uh... no. Tolkien invented a made up langeuage. Shakespeare coined 1700 new ENGLISH words, many of which are still in common use today. Shakespeare balanced dry informative dialogue with tension-relieving groundling scenes in nearly all of his works. Tolkien can only be bothered to break from the dry informative tone ever when he's writing for children (Hobbit.)

Tolkien was highly influential in the fantasy genre (which I'd personally say is good for worldbuilding but bad for pacing/tone, though that's personal taste) but let's not go overboard by comparing him to...
The
Motherfucking
Bard

>ITT a bunch of anons have shit opinions

>>55276918
You certainly do.

>>55275843
... No, Shakespear was just a very popular playwright.

Considering most of his work is petty Popularist swill is pretty funny from a historicans perspective.

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>>55275678
They're wild action pulp stories. Occasionally, they have genuine pathos but mostly it's like reading someone's super cool D&D campaign. Howard's a solid writer, but it's definitely pulp so don't go into it expecting Faulkner or what have you.
You should only read them a few at a time too. Howard re-worked his stories as he went along, so if you read a bunch in one sitting you'll wind up reading three different stories about Conan being on a pirate ship, starting a mutiny, then exploring a strange island with weird monsters on it.

>>55274772
Did you intentionally misspell "mountain", or are you regular retarded

Gor> A mountain of garbage >>> Conan setting >>> another mountain of garbage > LoTR setting > yet another mountain of garbage > GoT setting

>>55275654
>>55275700
>>55275740

>People thinking Elric is some kind of Deep Masterpiece
>When it's literally Punk Fantasy

Jesus wept.

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>>55276968
The fact that Shakespeare knew how to, and regularly did, appeal to groundling sensibilities while still entertaining the educated classes does not make it lesser in anyway. If anything, it's a huge mark in his favor: one that Tolkien is lacking in everything but The Hobbit.

Shakespeare has direct influence on how you speak today if you speak English. Tolkien has direct influence on how you speak today if you speak Elvish, Oromëan, Aulëa, or Melkian.

Shakespeare knew how to appeal broadly to both the groundlings and the nobility. Tolkien appealed to his fellow linguistics/history professors, and a bunch of hippies at woodstock.

You can still read/watch Shakespeare today, and it's genuinely entertaining, independent of all the allusions, references, and "meta" information. Independent of the worldbuilding and mythological/historical/linguistic allusions/shout-outs, LoTR is 481,103 words about some dudes taking a walk through some very detailed landscapes.

>>55275843
>Tolkien can only be bothered to break from the dry informative tone ever when he's writing for children (Hobbit.)
>>55277238
>LoTR is 481,103 words about some dudes taking a walk through some very detailed landscapes.

Did you ever manage to make it to the third chapter?

>>55277238
So what you're saying is they both heavily influenced their respective targets?
I guess we agree.

I do like Hyborian Age, but it is really overrated in grander scheme of things. And people overappreciate both Howard's writing (which is quite mediocre) and his actual share in creating this setting (yes, he invented it, but the setting's only strong points are feel and aesthetics, which were mostly estabilished by later works only inspired by the original ones, from Frazetta's illustrations through 80s movies to the vidyas.

I was exposed to those before actually reading the books, and... they did dissapoint me greatly. Characters weren't interesting (only really memorable one was the title hero, who, let's face, is kind of gary stu who is literally good at everything and better than everyone in the setting), plots weren't that interesting (some better, some worse, but I can hardly recall summary of any, and I think I read all of original Howard's ones), maybe because the premise itself wasn't that interesting (powerful adventurer running in some trouble on and on aod on...), and the setting, something that did captivate me before in other media, appeared to not be presented nearly as neatly as in mentioned media. It felt rather dry.

Though, the "enhanced" setting, utilizing all of this later-added aesthetics is clearly great and much better than average D&D shittery. Still it feels like there is too much cringy power fantasy to it, and it doesn't get anywhere close Middle Earth.

>>55276989
>weird monsters
Fuck me, the collection I have has almost no weird monsters in it.

>>55277480
You should read the Marvel Comics stories from the 1970s. They're pretty fun.

“His rage passes description - the sort of rage that is only seen when rich folk that have more than they can enjoy suddenly lose something that they have long had but have never before used or wanted.”

“I don’t know half of you half as well as I should like; and I like less than half of you half as well as you deserve.”

“In one thing you have not changed, dear friend," said Aragorn: "you still speak in riddles."
"What? In riddles?" said Gandalf. "No! For I was talking aloud to myself. A habit of the old: they choose the wisest person present to speak to; the long explanations needed by the young are wearying.”

LOTR is the all time sassiest of settings

>>55275428
Yes, but wouldn't as he has no interest in that magical bullshit.

>>55275584
I won't give way on Conan the best, but Elric's world always seemed worth exploring, so would happily put it second.

I like LotR but the setting never seemed interesting to adventure in myself. I'd rather do GoT, even though I wouldn't say the GoT books are better.

>>55277631
>Not including any of the orc lines insulting each other.
You had ONE job anon.

>>55274651
>Conan setting > LOTR setting
>GOT setting = shit

FTFY

>>55277631
Sorry, your garbage isn't representative of reality at all.
>"Sunset found her squatting in the grass, groaning. Every stool was looser than the one before, and smelled fouler. By the time the moon came up she was shitting brown water. The more she drank, the more she shat, but the more she shat, the thirstier she grew, and her thirst sent her crawling to the stream to suck up more water."

>>55275843
Homer>Tolkien>Shakespeare

>>55277645
I have failed utterly and brought shame upon my house.

>>55274638
what about FF6
>magic powered robots
>trains and planes powered by steam
>magic infused knight superweapons
>meteor throwing dinosaurs

>>55274638
Obviously

In my experience, everyone who likes GoT sucks

>>55274651
>GOT setting
>good
Disgusting.

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>>55278172
Shakespeare>Homer>>>>Mountain of Garbage>>>>Tolkien

>>55277480
>Howard's writing (which is quite mediocre)
I heartily disagree

>>55277480
Agreed, most of the early awesome stuff came from Clark Ashton Smith

>>55278260
FF6 is my favorite setting.

krom laughs at your four winds

>>55278260
over rated and kefka is a gay clown villain, which is retarded edgy teen bait.

same way conan is gay lovecraft muh eldritch horror edgy teen bait.

>>55275666

Agreed. I love Conan but Barsoom has a lot of neat things.

>>55275720

Conan is the biggest fucking shithead.

Like, I could not stand being around Conan.

>>55277046
>He hasn't delved deeper into the mythos
Elric, as full of possibilities that it already has', is one part of the Multiverse.
Von Bek and Colonel Pyat say hi. so do Corum, John Daker and Dorian Hawkmoon.

>>55278516
This is some spicy 4chan edgy teen bait.

>>55278579
unfortunately for you it's true.

Unless you like wanking to mary sues and "muh god" clown.

Which makes you a faggot.

There's a reason robert howard died alone of suicide at age 30. He was a self loathing cuck who never touched a woman.

>>55278172
Replace Tolkien w/ Howard and then replace Shakespeare w/ Lovecraft.

>>55278606
Howard and Lovecraft are literally butt buddies. They should be in the same place.

>>55275428
Conan hates magic, and has an almost supernatural resistance to mind-affecting spells, so he wouldn't want anything to do with it.

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>>55278605
>cuck cuck cuck
And you've exposed yourself. Go back to your children's board for politics or porn. The adults are trying to have a serious conversation about the play-pretend settings we use for playing children's games

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>>55275678
They're good, quick short stories. I listened to the audiobooks and they're fantastic.

>>55278629

Eh, I haven't read as much Howard as Lovecraft so my rankings are pretty flippant.

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>>55278555
He's a total asshole, but he's literally a barbarian. What did you expect?
His appeal is mainly due to his boundless courage and irreverence to authority, as well as his heroic acts in the name of rescuing damsels in distress, even if it means losing a potential fortune in the process.

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>>55274972
This

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>>55275678
If you want short, light, but genuinely entertaining, fantasy stories, that put action first and world-building second, you can't go wrong with Conan.

Rated by viability as a that game you actually end up playing. At the end of the day no matter how cool a setting is it needs to fit within the confines of game to be /tg/.
>Conan
First because it's the most conducive to standard table top play. You can get most groups together and they would settle into the game without much trouble. You can bring anyone in and in a few minutes you have a rip roaring game filled with theft, violence, glory, drinking whoring and general fun while still being true to the world.
>Moorcock/Barsoom
Next because it would require some set up and coordination. You'd need players who are at least a little open minded and ready to reign in their chaos a bit. After that you can have more quest oriented game with solid drama, discovery and weirdness on top of the usual adventuring stuff.
>LotR
After because you have to have a group that is really in it for the style. This will probably be limited to people who have already read LotR and liked it, which is probably pretty small. The number of systems you could use would be a lot smaller. It has the potential to be something really special but it's not something I would wave around as an example of the perfect RPG mostly because it's so delicate, it's a setting that relies to heavily on having the right group.
>GoT
A close last because you'd have a hell of a time finding the right people for the game. You would probably find yourself drowning in players who WANT to play but the majority of them will be shits. It would rely on a lot of coordination between players as well as the GM as well as players ready to poor a lot of detail into their characters while still accepting high lethality play. It's also a setting that works best when characters have wildly different backgrounds and motivations. You would need players who are dedicated to the roleplaying aspect and overall a group with a high level of trust in each other.
Like LotR it would be fun as shit if you can get it to work.

>>55278818
I agree with your list but for different reasons.

>LotR
In this setting, good and selflessness is the natural, balanced state of the world, and evil is an unnatural abomination upon the proper order of things. Players who want their characters to be dicks on occasion will be in for a very rude awakening when it's revealed that they're slowly losing their free will to darker powers.
>GoT
People will come in and expect political intrigue out the ass, but here's the catch: PLAYERS NEVER WANT POLITICAL INTRIGUE. They never, ever fucking want this, because it's boring. Don't ever believe them when they say they want it. They're deluding themselves and setting themselves up for disappointment.

>>55278901
For the Tolkien one, I would also add in that you have this very ephemeral, fate driven quasi narrative magic. When you have the curse on the Children of Hurin, that the "shadow of Morgoth's thought will be upon them", it reads a lot like a That DM fucking over his players for spite, and it would be VERY difficult to work that kind of thing into a game framework well.

>>55278901
>PLAYERS NEVER WANT POLITICAL INTRIGUE
I find that what players often REALLY want is political intrigue happening quietly but noticeably in the background of their hig-adventure questing, so they can occasionally show up, flip the tables with their conan-like adventurer-ey-ness, then run away to the next adventure when the mood suits them.

It's like that episode of adventure time where Finn accidentally becomes the king of the goblin kingdom: it works as an episode, because you know that it's going to ultimately be resolved with trickery or fighting, and then you'll go back to adventuring, but if the whole show suddenly shifted to Finn dealing with inter-kingdom politics, it would be stupid.

>>55275238
I get that, but I think the problem is people forget that seven years ago the very first scene in Game of Thrones had a White Walker. The high fantasy stuff wasn't added in, it was always there, the main character were just not aware of it. Cersei, Tyrion and Littlefinger thought they were in Ye Olde Young & the Restless, when in reality they were in Warhammer Fantasy the whole time.

>>55278901
>PLAYERS NEVER WANT POLITICAL INTRIGUE.

I don't? It's one of the main types of shows I watch and always loved it when I get to play it and it's decent.

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>>55275238
When your go-to trick is shock-value and ante-upping, you are inevitably going to end with bullshit.

The original DragonBall, when it began, was actually pretty run of the mill wuxia that was actually more grounded than its inspiration material (Journey West,) but after having to up the ante enough times.... well.... here we are.

GRRM tries to end every chapter with either a cheap shock or upping of the ante....and how many novels were there again, with how many chapters per novel? It was kind of inevitable, no matter how small and grounded each upping of the ante initially seemed.

>>55278755
I don't know about him, but I found his continually being better than literally everyone, and the author playing as is cheering squad kind of obnoxious.

It wasn't even like Achilles where he has to start acting like a mortal in the course of his arc and is ultimately doomed for his greatness. Conan just gets to continue being the same obnoxious, overpowered dipshit without consequence.

The stories are fun, but Conan as a character is eye-roll inducing.

>>55279651
Conan gets consequences all the time? Numerous times he's down and out or imprisoned or seriously injured and so on. Yeah, he eventually overcomes it, often via "Fuck you, I'm Conan" willpower and muscle.

I can a complaint as him as being overpowered, fantasy character, but I don't get the idea he's an asshole or obnoxious as a character.

>>55279651
>without consequence.
You must not have read many Conan stories if that's what you think.

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>>55279651
Gotta echo the other anons: Conan gets the living crap kicked out of him all the time. He overcomes it, yes, but there are lots of times where he has to rely on other people to rescue him. Hell, the best story, "Queen of the Black Coast" basically ends with him a heart broken wreck. Despite being quite a lusty fellow, Conan actually ends a decent number of his stories without whatever babe he was rescuing, either because she dies, already has a lover, or just isn't really interested in him.
Conan's an ubermensch, to be sure, and Howard basically loves talking about how crude but honest barbarians are infinitely superior to cold hearted civilized people, but Conan definitely suffers consequences for his more boneheaded decisions and suffers a lot of set backs in his life.

>>55275678
In Howards writings, while he did do some majorly pulpy stuff to pay bills, there is a surpising depth to them.

The overarching theme of Conan is that Barbarism is the natural state of mankind, and in times of great challenge it is the barbarian, and not the civilized man, that will prevail. Civilization enables mankind to go further than a man can alone, but it robs the individual man of his power.

That's the kind of stuff that Howard exlplores.

Also, this is one of my favorite passages from his works.

“I have known many gods. He who denies them is as blind as he who trusts them too deeply. I seek not beyond death. It may be the blackness averred by the Nemedian skeptics, or Crom's realm of ice and cloud, or the snowy plains and vaulted halls of the Nordheimer's Valhalla. I know not, nor do I care. Let me live deep while I live; let me know the rich juices of red meat and stinging wine on my palate, the hot embrace of white arms, the mad exultation of battle when the blue blades flame and crimson, and I am content. Let teachers and philosophers brood over questions of reality and illusion. I know this: if life is illusion, then I am no less an illusion, and being thus, the illusion is real to me. I live, I burn with life, I love, I slay, and am content.”
― Robert E. Howard, Queen of the Black Coast

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>>55274772
nigger you what?

>>55279831
>>55279891
>>55280020
Does he suffer brain damage, maiming or Death? Or are all of his consequences things that have no permanent impact on the character? Again, Achilles dies for his greatness; Conan becomes king for his.

From the same genre, Elric loses everything dear to him, unmakes reality and dies to his own sword.

Dark & Convoluted =/= Maturity or brilliance
Nor does liking it confer maturity or brilliance upon you.

I personally Dislike GoT, because I feel it pushes it's dark themes to far to fast; and it's difficult to care about a large majority of the (kind of unlikable) cast, who I feel there are an unnecessary amount of.

How is that, lacking social skills to appreciate intrigue, politics, and influence?

>>55274811
sweet, fuggen saved

>>55280352
Conan usually gets hirelings to go ahead in front of him that trigger and get themselves disemboweled by traps, giant spiders and snakes, and what have you.
Conan is a morally gray sword and sorcery hero, not a tragic dramatic hero.

>>55280352
I guess I don't need my characters to be maimed and everything to be miserable to be good?

I think "riding off into the sunset" is a proper end to Conan's arc. Though not sure if Howard even wrote a real end.

The storytelling method of Conan is different from the others as well, a limitation of both the medium and early death of the writer.

>>55280454
I think characters should suffer meaningful consequence and transformation. Conan doesn't experience either. He's not an especially good character, representing a means for Howard to make money, and a vehicle for his hyper-masculine fantasies.

>>55277034
Gor?! AHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAAHHA *gasp* HAAAAAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHHAHAHHAHAAHHhaaaa...whew ^lad

>>55280669
No, because he doesn't have an arc because the format didn't lend itself to it. He isn't realized in the same way modern characters are. It's a different type of story.

I guess I always saw him more as a touchstone through which to view the wider world. The stories are more about the adventure than the character.

It's a product of the era to a large degree I think.

>>55280669
Attacking the author's motives is actually making you look stupid.

Conan the Barbarian is a collection of stories told SECONDHAND by people in the Hyborean Age who either knew him personally, or are deciphering a tale of his exploits.
Conan is a hero of myth and legend, who came from Cimmeria as a savage, and ended up as a king by his own hand. The rest is lost to time. That's the fucking point, you twat.

>>55274638
Agree, but I don't like Conan setting at all.

>>55277642
Conan opportunistically used magic shit all the time dude.

Death and dismemberment aren't the only possible consequences you know.

>>55281109
They're examples of permanent consequences that change a character. Elric loses the woman he loves and is changed for it; his attack on Melniboné didn't just work itself out for him. Achilles likewise loses someone dear to him and has to accept his place as subservient to Agamemnon to see him avenged.

>>55274638
Silmarillion setting > LOTR setting > Conan setting > > > > > > > > GOT setting

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>>55275160
Tolkien redacted that bit of lore regarding Middle-Earth.

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>>55274638
You all lost. Kane from Karl Edward Wagner is the best. Conan, Bilbo, Gandalf, and Jon Snow can all go back home.

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Compared to Kane, Conan, Saruman and the Lannisters are like Teletubbies.

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His stories are so powerful, I couldn't read any other sword & sorcery or heroic fantasy story after. All characters were way too weak by comparison.

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Sadly the author, died in 1994 at age 48 and there won't be any more stories to come.

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Kane got even stated in Dragon magazine in 1979.

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>>55282656
What a marysue piece of trash.

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And here's a fan-made map.

>>55282656
>30th level fighter
>20th level mage
>14th level assassin
Oh so he can basically do anything?
How boring.

>Karl Edward Wagner
This is my dad and uncle's names put together.
Weird.

>>55282747
>>55282656
"The presentation of Kane is this article caused a bit of controversy. In Dragon Magazine #30, Gary Gygax warned in his "From the Sorcerer's Scroll" column that Kane as presented was too powerful. He suggested that 20th level fighter/16th level magic-user/12th level assassin, was more reasonable for his class abilities, though still on the high side."

>>55274638

Conan is just boring, formulaic adventures, with women and violence as shallow draws. Women are treated as objects.

> b-but muh female warriors

Their sexuality is still the main part of their character, because apparently men can only care about women in how they relate to being used for sex.

>>55282802
Straight men like beautiful women. Get over it, faggot.

>>55282802
>Women are treated as objects.
Cry me a river, baby.

Robin Hobb setting > Fantasy settings > Shit

>>55282802
What the fuck do you expect? that's what they're for

>posts shitting on the professor and jerking over moorcock appear at the same time
hmm..

>>55282828
>>55282841
>>55282851

> Virgin spergs who think women are only for sex.

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>>55282802

>>55283041
Forgot to include "Doctor Who," "Harry Potter," and/or "Steven Universe" in that bio. Otherwise, it's flawless.

>>55283062
>Puting based Doctor Who and correct Harry Potter in the dame bag as SJW Steven Universe

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>>55283041
>>55282851
>>55282841
>>55282828
>Internet badass frog nazis who throw the word Cuck around unironically.
Not him, but come on guys. Thulsa Doom throws shade at your shennanigans. Howard might say he's (>>55283014 >>55282802) a weak civilized man (as we all are, posting on the D&D play-pretend wing of an American image board inspired by Japanese anime,) but you're weak civilized men playing at Barbarism and pretending it's real, which is even sadder.

>>55282802
Cry harder faggot

>>55283041
This is pretty sad, and speaks volumes of your own insecurities more than it insults anyone else.

>>55275626
The fanbase of everything on here, actually. Including whichever one you are a part of, sadly.

>>55283159
You quoting everyone rather than the one person who posted the word "cuck" makes me think you're the guy we were responding to.
Keep crying, bitch nigga.

>>55282845
Uh, no.

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What elements should a Conan-like setting have? Other than all mages being malignant snakes. I'm interested in running a Conan-like D&D game but I don't think I've grasped the setting well from the short stories I read and I don't want to use the movie as a point of reference.

>>55283373
I have yet to read about an actually shit fantasy setting
All of the one I know of had some good ideas

>>55283361
Nah, one of the guys he quoted calls the original a "cuckold fan" in an image.

>>55280020
Conan was more of a warning about the evils of civilization rather than chastising human society.

While we enjoy a better standard of living, it important to know that progress is made on the backs of slaves and our mundane existence destroyed spiritual enlightenment.

Ironically we suffer more now trying to find significance and identity than when we were sitting around a fire and clubbing animals to death with rocks for their meaty parts.

>>55282594
There's a self published author on amazon who writes stuff that is slightly closer to homage than plagiarism named Greg James he's got three novellas that decently capture Wagner's themes and style. If you're looking for something similar in tone and new, try Under a Colder Sun.

>>55283460
Not even in Conan were all the mages malevolent snakes. He actually works along with a wizard in one of the adventures.

Also
>a bizarre mishmash of pre-modern time periods, ranging from late medieval (with firearms absent) to ancient
>a general caveat that civilization makes men weaker, even if it allows them to accomplish more
>a might makes right attitude that somehow works itself out
>weird shit hiding in dark, forgotten places

>>55283492
>destroyed spiritual enlightenment.

I've yet to see convincing evidence that "spiritual enlightenment" was ever a meaningful component of society.

>>55283014
You know literally everybody is for sex.

That's how the human race keeps rolling.

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>>55283014
Except they are. They've evolved specifically to be only for sex to churn out children. You're the virgin sperg who hasn't realized it yet.

>>55283504
Evil, vaguely semitic or negroid sorcerers subservient to elder evils was usually how wizards got played, so its a trope for the milieu.

And to expand on the might making right, strength was slightly less often a determining factor versus indomitable will. Howard was obsessed with the idea of a supreme barbarous will that was made weaker by the comforts and perversions of civilization.

>>55283529
>I've yet to see convincing evidence that "spiritual enlightenment" was ever a meaningful component of society.

It's not, it's personal fulfillment.
That's the point. Society is utilitarian and confides the spiritual growth and understanding of our place in existence, in effect subverting it into our role within the society itself.

>>55283460
Use the comic books as a better reference. The movie, while good, doesn't quite hit the target as far as the tone is concerned.
Dark Sun is close, as far as themes and styling, but Hyborea is far less magical and FAR less psionic than Athas. Thankfully, Hyborea is also more hospitable to human life than Athas.

Hyborea is a land of wonder, beauty, and adventure, with much opportunity for great wealth if you're willing to face down terrible beings and evil sorcerers to get it.
Athas is a world on its last legs where your best hope would be for the deep crimson sun to finally burn out before the remaining fresh water sinks too low in the earth to be retrieved. Even metal in all its forms is extremely depleted. What treasures there WERE on the world will help you survive, but if you grow too powerful, the many sorcerer kings who are all level 40+ will take notice and try to have you killed. It's an extremely bleak world.

>>55278306
>anything over Homer
>shakespear over a mountain of garbadge
guys it's time for another round of hit the brit.

>>55283570
confine not confide...derp. Sorry.

Whats everyones opinions on the Dark Horse Conan comics? I picked up a few of the big Omnibus collections and ive been having a great time with it.

>>55283713
I enjoy the few I have. I also like Red Sonja comics. I have a few digital volumes, and a few deadtree.

>>55283570
I mean in the past. I've yet to see convincing evidence that anything has seriously changed in that regard, or that people weren't material entities with basically material concerns.

>>55278306
>Shakespeare over Homer

Oh I'm sorry, I forgot how Shakespeare was a lynchpin of the western literary tradition for thousands of years.

>>55283601
Hey now. I think he's objectively wrong for putting Shakespeare over Homer, but Shakespeare is still a pretty great playwright. He was significant enough in this regard to stand along with classic writers much older than him (I'd say he compares well to Sophocles for instance) and had a huge impact on the English language. He just isn't motherfucking Homer, whose influence on western literature is damn near impossible to overstate.

>>55283788
Shakespeare is praised because of his language not because of his stories, though.

>play conan exiles
>love the setting, got into the comics >>55283713
because of the game
>go full /tg/ and want to join an RP server
>don't know how to RP
am i too lazy, shy or somehow disgusted at myself? i can't get into any kind of RP feeling

>>55283757
The difference is, fewer and fewer people these days feel as though they have a purpose or a reason to get up in the morning. Back in the day, people who lost hope and faith in their own abilities didn't have a convenient welfare state to fall back on. It was either get spiritual/personal guidance, or die.

>>55283805
It's no different than roleplaying your character in a tabletop game. Since you're on /tg/ I assume you know how to do this.

>>55280101
Shit this quote is awesome

>>55283805
That's weird, almost the entire rp community in age of conan left aoc for exiles. You might be on the wrong server.

So if Conan was transported into one of the other setting how would it go?

>>55283868
The concept has been done about a hundred times already, and the closest thing I can give to an answer is... it depends.
One time he was transported into the Marvel universe and almost instantly caused the planet to be eaten by Galactus (or Apocalypse. I forget). Unwittingly of course, but that's what happened.

>>55283868
Conan into ASOIAF would end up with him running the place inside two years.

>>55283918
ASOIAF kills Conan off early on, but hey, the dragon queen needed to be single for the plot.

>>55283713

I have been following Dark Horse Conan since it started. Conan and Conan the Cimmerian are best went it comes to art style. Tomas Giorello kicks ass. Too bad he now only works on specials and short issues.

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>>55283361 >>55283209 >>55283041 >>55283014 >>55282854 >>55282828 >>55280200 >>55278661 >>55278605 >>55278579 >>55278516 >>55276918 >>55274954
>Apart from (global and board rules) only two rules are important.
>1. BE EXCELLENT TO EACH OTHER.
>2. PARTY ON, DUDES. (AND DUDETTES)

Since the beginning, we've always disagreed on "what is best in life," regardless of the subject.

The best of us disagree with respect, and with informed opinions, or ask questions to better learn our interests.

And we continue to create and share some of the finest content of ANY message board in existence.

Contrarianism and unwarranted self-importance are part-and-parcel of the internet, but posters like these don't deserve the dignity of your response. Hide their meaningless ad-hominem and talent-less shit-posting.

Be excellent, /tg/. We will prevail.

>>55277908
Wait. That's Sapkowski, isn't it?

>>55283987
GRRM. It's from A Dance with Dragons.

My only exposure to Canon is the Arnald Schwarzenegger film. What would you recommend I read?

>>55284021
took me the longest time to take some people's advice and read tower of the elephant but the story is sooooo short and nice

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>>55284021
listen to the audiobooks of Robert E. Howard's Conan short stories, and read Image Comics run of Conan.

>>55284021
Tower of the Elephant, A Witch Shall be Born, and Queen of the Black Coast.

Then maybe Hour of the Dragon

Screw you pretentious shitheads, I'm basing my next game on a fusion of Lotte no Omocha and Zero no Tsukaima and none of you can stop me!

>>55284060
Do it and post a thread telling us how it went.

>>55284060
I'm not sure the world is ready for this level of avant garde

>>55284060
Aren't they sort of too similar already?

>>55284060
Weeaboo! Weeaboo!

>>55284075
Yes this

>>55284041
>>55284046
Will check then out, cheers.

>>55284042
I can't get into audio books. They don't keep my attention.

>>55284121
Then just read the short stories themselves instead. I personally enjoyed the audiobooks, but it's available in print as any other work is.

>>55284098
Not really. Both are fanservice laden trash fantasy manga with an arguably charming self-awareness, but beyond the fact that both feature people from Earth moving to a fantasy world (an extremely common theme in fantasy manga) the settings are pretty different. ZNT takes place in one of those "16th century Europe where the countries use their archaic names" settings (in fact, for being so deliberately silly the amount of historical research is pretty funny), except the nobility are all wizards. There are hints of genuinely interesting worldbuilding revolving around how history changes when nobility=magic=nobility. The heroes are also not the first Earthlings to show up on this world and remnants of previous brushes with Earth (e.g. missing WWII aircraft thought to be magical artifacts, people descended from Earthlings who got stuck generations ago and mingled with the locales) are central to the plot.

LNO's fantasy setting has it as a central plot element that they haven't encountered humans in millennia. It's based on a highly Nipponized version of the Nine Worlds of Nordic mythology and the one we see most often is Alfehim, which is expectedly inhabited mostly by elves. Because it doesn't take itself too seriously, culture and technology are all over the place and besides the fantasy aesthetics everything is pretty much modern day Japan, with elves in it. Magic per se is actually pretty rare.

>>55280352
Mind you, Elric is a faggot.

>>55283817
Pretty much settled the free will vs. divine predestination or the chemicals in our brains debate for me.

>>55283014
How do you expect women to be something else than object when they have STR -4?

>>55283501
Thanks a lot! Will try.

>>55284153
I think you might be inadvertently putting a lot of thought into a shitpost here.

>>55280352
>From the same genre, Elric loses everything dear to him, unmakes reality and dies to his own sword.
Yes. Exactly like Kullervo and
Turin Turambar. Yet you Moorcockfags will write essays on how Tolkien sucks and is awful and his stories are escapism and he's a crypto fascist and so on

>>55274638
Same shit.

>>55280669
It's pulp fiction not Homer you pussy. Howards "hyper-masculine fantasy" is what you get when a boxer/bodybuilder with an interest in mythology needs to pay the bills. You're looking at like its apples to apples and it's not analogous genres to begin with.

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>>55278818
>The number of systems you could use would be a lot smaller
Actually you just need the one ring

As far as the "right group" goes, kind of yes, kind of no. It doesn't take to be Tolkien fanboy to be able to get it and enjoy as much, if not more thay your average fantasy game.

Obviously it won't appeal to those guys, or players who need to murderhobo their way through adventure, special snowflakes who have to play some kind of "unique" race/class, edgelords, and other assorted shit like this... but well, I can live with that. Sad part is that said people are majority of TTRPG players, but as far as I can have my two groups for TOR on r20 I, fuck them all, i don't need them for anything

>>55283788
Shakespeare only got remembered due to royal patronage from Worst Queen. He would not have been praised today, especially not with copyright laws being a thing now.

>>55274638
Conan setting = LOTR setting > fantasy classics >= GOT setting > some more fantasy classics > fairytales > Forgotten Realms > dirt > shit > Twilight.

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>>55278818
>This will probably be limited to people who have already read LotR and liked it, which is probably pretty small
>which is probably pretty small
literally what. one of the most read book series of all time and one of the most succesful film series of all time.

>>55285892
The infuriating thing is that with so little effort the Twilight setting could have been quite fun.

Not the characters or the narrative, obviously, that's pure cancer.

>>55275218
Damn dude, that's a whole lot of
>implying
You can start having an argument at any time now

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>>55274638
Nehwon > Conan

>>55286246
>Don Quixote- 500 million

Holy shit

I suppose I'd better get the audio book and educate myself then.

>>55280352
He goes through a lot of suffering, losing people he cared for deeply, gets his ass kicked royally, gets kicked into the dirt from positions of power, and even got nailed to a cross once.

So yeah, I would say stuff has had permanent impacts on the character. As much as you can have such changes in an episodic action-adventure that's run for at least 85 years.

>>55274638
GOR setting > Conan setting

>>55283492
>we suffer more now trying to find significance and identity than when we were sitting around a fire and clubbing animals to death with rocks for their meaty parts.

[Citation needed]

>>55283938
>Khal Drogo
>Equal to Conan
He was a shitty mongol given the fabio treatment at best

>>55274638
Conan>Belgarion>LOTR>GoT(books)>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>GoT(abortion on HBO)

>>55284021
Go to your local public library and pick up a collection
Just read them all

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>>55284153
>>55284098
I would agree.
But its mostly also a "Boy meets girl, and have a good romance" story, which is why it even got a good number of volumes.

>>55285366
I'd play the shitty out of the one ring if I could find more players/gm

>>55288157
It isn't hard to find a game on roll20, really.
Well, IT IS hard if you're loking through the standard gamefinder but there is also a game-finding group there.

And if you are scared by the tales of how bad is playing with randos on roll20, well, yeah they are kind of true... if you're playing D&D. But with TOR, not really, since the focus and theme of the game is already almost 100% effective filter for that guys and other assorted shitheads.

Unless you mean live irl game, then yeah, I feel your pain. Tanginbility and gathering face to face is a great asset in context of TTRPG, but you can't always get everything you want.

>>55285005
That does not make Conan an especially compelling character you dingus. Being limited by the genre still means he's not a great character. Nobody calls Simpsons characters all that compelling for that matter.

Also the hyper masculine fantasies are a product of a socially isolated man who idolized what he considered ideal masculinity.

>>55283808
>the welfare state is to blame for existential angst

Haha, oh wow. No, people back then just begged or stole if they couldn't work.

>>55283808
>fewer and fewer people these days feel as though they have a purpose or a reason to get up in the morning

Cool opinion, have a source for it?

>>55283960
Sorry buddy, but sometimes someone says something stupid enough to be warranted being called something nasty. Implying the Conan setting owes its success to LotR is such a thing.

>>55284748
Moorcock was referring specifically to LotR, not the EU.

>>55288958

>>socially isolated man who idolized what he considered ideal masculinity

>>So says the tranny with dyed pink hair and refugees welcome sign hanging from his chastity belt

Conan is the best.

Read the hour of the Dragon and learn what being awesome really means.

>U G H everyone around me are so stupid and autistic, why can't they invite me to their parties, not that their feeble minds would handle my Shakespearian mastery of the word.
>also muh book is better than your book, cretinous grognard muh smarts
Wew lads, its getting /lit/ in here

>>55289111
But that is a perfectly accurate description of Howard.

In this regard he reminds me of Nietzsche. He talked a lot about masculinity and greatness while being ultimately a highly isolated man who had little success as a "traditional man."

>>55288974
Did you even read what I said? Holy shit. Nowhere in those two sentences did I blame the welfare state
>HAH OH WOW
Retard.

>>55289429
Pointing out the personal failings of the author doesn't actually give any merit to your denial of that author's philosophy.
Plenty of authors didn't, or couldn't, practice what they preached because they have personal failings or flaws (in my experience all humans have those). In fact, most authors who postulate on an ideal don't practice that ideal.
Both Ayn Rand and Karl Marx are two examples of this.

Romeo and Juliet is absolute shit. Other plays like Julius Caesar are good but if you like R&J I suggest you end yourself like the protagonists did

>>55289749
LMAO LOOK AT THE BITTER VIRGIN

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>>55280020
>Gotta echo the other anons: Conan gets the living crap kicked out of him all the time.

He will suffer a lot more in the future...

>>55289870

call me crazy but it's completely unrelatable to me that someone could fall so deeply in love in a day and a half that they would commit suicide over it.

>>55290603
It wasn't even love. Romeo just wanted rebound sex and Juliet wanted Spite Daddy sex.

After that it was just teen hormones and a priest who was either trying to get them killed or was thinking in a manner like scooby doo.

Also the whackey sidekick and the comedy character.

>>55289719
I didn't say his philosophy was necessarily wrong (though "barbarism is the natural state of man" is just a crude restatement of Hobbes' position).

On the note of Nietzsche, he had a lot of good ideas, there was a reason he was an influential philosopher. On the note of Howard, he was a fine author, even Conan wasn't a particularly compelling or nuanced character.

>>55289749
R&J is great if you take it as a warning of the foolish nature of young love. But for some reason people think it's a touching romance.

>>55290961

Who is being warned here? Anyone who needs this warning probably can't read it anyway

>>55291544
Not him, but the only reason it's semi-incomprehensible is because of the lingustic drift in English between Elizabeth's day and ours. As the above anon said, Shakespeare wrote the equivalent of summer blockbusters in his day, the sort of plays that almost anyone could access. That there was clever nuance in it to appeal to more sophisticated tastes is a sign of his brilliance, but a random teenager from the early 17th century would have been able to understand Romeo and Juliet.

>>55275541
>he just wanted to make money off his writing

Then you only have a superficial understanding of Howard.
He wanted to make a living by working on what he loved, writing historical novels about barbarian people clashing with civilization.
However doing so accurately took too long and the market for it was virtually dead.
The Hyborean Age was a compromise that allowed him more freedom than strict historical setting and a market that while it wouldn't have made him rich it could sustain him.

>>55291647
He said it himself. He just wanted to make money, and had no higher artistic ambitions in it. It's a direct quotation in the back of the Complete Chronicles of Conan.

Later in his life he toyed with the idea of more artistic works, but the works we associate with him were not in that vein.

God, why do some people get so asshurt at this notion?

>>55291641

I'm not saying it's hard to read; I'm saying if you're stupid enough to emulate Romeo and Juliet your brain isn't functioning enough to heed warnings in the first place.

>>55291699
>later in life
And what I said he wrote in letters to Lovecraft and other authors.

>>55291647
>>55291699
"Literature is a business to me - a business at which I was making an ample living when the Depression knocked the guts out of the markets. My sole desire in writing is to make a reasonable living. I may cling to many illusions, but I am not ridden by the illusion that I have anything wonderful or magical to say, or that it would amount to anything particularly if I did say it. I have no quarrel with art-for-art's-sakers. On the contrary, I admire their work. But my pet delusions tend in other directions." - Robert E. Howard

Source: The Complete Chronicles of Conan, page 907

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>actually debating which one of these super unimaginative and extremely derivative settings is better than the other

>>55291699
>>55291801
So an Artist works for profit isn't really an Artist? Might as well cross off most artists then, historic and modern...

>>55291871
No, but it does mean they aren't making art for art's sake.

>>55275428
Conan wouldn't wear the ring for the same reason Sam wouldn't, he has everything he wants. He's got a sword, bitches on his dick, people to kill and treasure to steal. What more does he desire?

>>55291866
What are your favourite settings, anon?
Just so we know you're not just being a contrarian because it's the only way you can sate your intellectual narcissism anymore.

>>55291866
LotR
>derivative
What?

>>55291949
Not him, but LoTR is enormously derivative. It's just mostly derived from obscure Finnish/North Germanic folkore, English countryside names, Catholic theology, and a few other obscure sources that most people have never heard of or aren't particularly interested in, so they don't recognize what exactly is derived.

>>55291902
Indeed.
In Conan's eyes the ring couldn't offer him anything that he wouldn't be able to take by himself with his own strength.

>>55291971
Meanwhile Conan is intentionally openly derivative since Howard wanted people to recognize the sources and draw parallels to them.

>>55291977
And if it offered him anything blatantly supernatural, he'd say no because it weirds him out too much.

>>55292041
Well, given Frodo's activities with forcing Gollum to (tentative) service, it's entirely probable that Conan would get some of the benefits even if he never puts it on and discovers the invisibility powers. He'd just notice that he seemed to be a bit better at guessing what other people are thinking, and people defer to his obvious authority more quickly and easily: These aren't the sorts of explicit supernatural occurrances that would be obvious, especially if he doesn't really know what the ring does, or thinks it's a ring of invisibility.

And once he starts using its power like that, it's probably going to get harder and harder to get rid of it. But on the other hand, I doubt very much that he would be smeagol style enslaved, or even messed up to the point of Frodo, unless he carries/uses it for a long while.

>>55292099
>He'd just notice that he seemed to be a bit better at guessing what other people are thinking, and people defer to his obvious authority more quickly and easily

Only problem is that that is how people already react to him.

>>55292099
Yeah, that's the worry. If the more subtle benefits work on Conan, he wouldn't realise it's the ring, he'd just think it's him.

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>>55291866
>not actually suggesting a better alternative

>>55292211
Precisely why he wouldn't immediately realize the ring's influence, giving it more time and scope to sink its hooks into him.

>>55274638
>Conan setting = LOTR setting = GOT setting = Generic D&D setting = Literally Medieval Europe With Magic = Trapped in an MMO world

You want to try a new setting? Has it got swords in it? I'm down.

>>55292482
No swords, sorry, but plenty of axes.

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Anyone have a setting book for conan? i'd love to read more about the world.

>>55291885
But is Art that is created solely for the purpose of being Art better than Art created for more material purposes?

Is Xanth an acceptable fantasy rpg setting?

>>55292931
How much do you like child porn?

>>55291885
>art for art's sake.
When will this meme die?

>>55292879
I can give you a massive text-dump that Robert E Howard wrote about it.

>THE HYBORIAN AGE — CONAN'S WORLD
http://gutenberg.net.au/ebooks13/1303751h.html#hyb

>>55275428
Conan could wear the ring on his dick if it went totally flaccid and lost several inches of girth.

>>55291866
(You)

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>>55292261
>Not understanding dismissal of all derivatives settings.
>Demanding he suggest a derivative setting.

>>55295415
(You)

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>>55274638

In my Campaign, Conan, LOTR and GOT all take place in the same realm. the realm of.. Dungeons and Dragons!

>>55284021
Most of the stories are relatively short. I think there's maybe one novel, a few novellas, and the rest are novelettes. I think the Conan stories are public domain, and you can find them for free online.

http://gutenberg.net.au/plusfifty-a-m.html
http://gutenberg.net.au/ebooks13/1303751h.html

When I first started reading them, I was a bit surprised by some of the Lovecraftian vibes in the stories, and they were more colorful in atmosphere than I expected. With that said, I find Conan, himself, to be pretty uninteresting, and the pulp style of not delving too deeply into people's inner workings can make the stories seem a bit distant and flat to me. I just don't get very invested in what actually happens. So I guess, for me, it's a mixed bag. I do appreciate aspects of it, and I'm not sorry I read what I did, especially given the influence the Conan stories have had, but it never gave me that thrill that stuff I really like does.

>>55284060
>Screw you pretentious shitheads, I'm basing my next game on a fusion of Lotte no Omocha and Zero no Tsukaima and none of you can stop me!
I'm pretty sure you just made up those words.

>>55286945
Belgariad is one of my favorite series ever.

>>55296451
The Belgariad was the first fantasy series I ever read, back in elementary school. It will remain top-tier for me forever.

>>55275584
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>>55275654
My motherfucking Cultists.

I think that is there best song by far

>>55275218
>sigh...
Oh, come off it, you pretentious little bootlick, you're not half as sophisticated as you think you are for liking the taste of Martin's taint.

>>55296603
>I think that is there best song by far
It's got a really cool vibe, but it doesn't progress enough for me to consider it their best song. If we're just talking about Elric-related songs, I prefer Black Blade. If we're just talking about single releases from Fire of Unknown Origin that start with the letter V, I prefer Vengeance (The Pact). If we're just talking about songs featuring psychic combat, I prefer Mistress of the Salmon Salt (Quicklime Girl). Okay, that one probably isn't about psychic combat, but who the fuck can really tell?

Black Blade -- https://youtu.be/_p1yaNC1mNg
Vengeance (The Pact) -- https://youtu.be/m2wN9myIOGw
Mistress of Salmon Salt (Quicklime Girl) -- https://youtu.be/wVSUX4EVgVw

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Bran Mak Morn > Conan

>>55286443
ma nigga

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>>55274651

First 3 GoT novels > LoTR
A Feast For Crows = LoTR
The Eye of Argon >>>>>>>Dances with Dragons

Haven't read any Conan so can't judge. Where do I start?

>>55291902
dont forget the beef bones

Well reasoned and educated personal opinion > deferring to more knowledgeable critics > edgy and ignorant contarianism

>>55297860
Bunch of suggestions upthread. And yeah, early GoT is way better than the recent stuff.

>>55295415
No. I demand his 100% OC setting. So I can finally see what true greatness looks like.

>>55274638
The one I like > (you)rs

>>55287135
>implying psychosis is just an even deeper form of love, in direct continuation
wew lad

>>55274638
personally prefer LOTR because Tolkien developed it more, and it's got a lot more original ideas in it than the Hyborian Age.
Both are far beyond ASOIAF's setting though

>>55274884
>implying taxes isn't relevant as fuck

Hyboria > Moorcock's multiverse > GoT > LOTR

>>55290189
I don't think Conan is autistic enough to be the Emperor.

>>55294287
thanks. i'm grabbing the DK visual guide as well for more visual love.

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>>55303476
>I don't think Conan is autistic enough to be the Emperor.

By the time of the HH he may have been what, 45K, 50K years old?
He got autistic.
Just look at how he is nowadays.

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>>55283960
Niggas is making this waaay too hard.

Step 1) Kill the bitch.
Step 2) Dump naked body in pig lot.
Step 3) Burn clothes/possessions.
Step 4) Clean up blood using bleach/peroxide.

And that's what's really in hotdogs

>>55294246
Right around the time artists stop creating for the joy of creation.

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Fafhrd and the Gray Mouser for life

>>55305078
>see two men get murdered in the street
>run up to the killers while wearing nothing but the skimpiest street fighter cosplay available
>make out with the killers as they are cleaning the blood off their weapons
>steal the wallets of the people who just killed two guys like it was nothing
That woman has some serious balls. She earned every coin in those bags.

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>>55277834
correct

>>55290945
>Conan wasn't a particularly compelling or nuanced character
That's kind of the point. He's a straightforward character with straightforward motivations. The words 'nuance' and 'Conan' do not belong in a sentence together.

>>55305005
So we can finally tell the leeches asking for government subsidies since their so called art doesn't sell to fuck off?

>>55305382
Arguably he is a men with depression trying to ignore it by living as large as he possibly can.
Though that is only noticeable a few times when Howard is feeling particularly introspective.

>>55275218
>sigh... nobody appreciates the genius of my favorite rape-tax book

Autism is palpable

>>55276968
God you must get so much pussy with that historian shit

>>55281221
>comparing 70's paperback fantasy to the Illiad

wew lad

>>55290787
It was about the tragedy of their bullshit summer fling. That's literally the point

>>55306566
>Comparing one of the most influential western text to a later western text that has almost certainly either directly or indirectly influenced it because of its omnipresence in literature studies.

There are reasons why stuff gets compared all the time to Homer or the Bible Anon and it is not meant to slight either of the texts used in the comparison.
Much like any East Asian book will be compared to "The Four Books and Five Classics" in some way.

>>55306322

he's the original Rick

>>55306252
No, because we as a society will continue to value art and see it worth putting tax dollars towards.

As Foucault pointed out, we're all in prison together.

>>55306566
Considering the Iliad is a fundamental work of the western literary tradition, it's only reasonable that western literary works get compared to it. If we could only compare works of its caliber to it, we'd only ever be able to compare the Odyssey to it, and maybe the Aeneid, and that would be pretty goddamn pointless.

>>55306970

I think Ajax is. That or Achilles.

>>55275428
Well he does have fingers doesn't he?

>>55275843
Tolkien invented a language but Shakespeare made new English words... the stupidity behind that post is fucking mind blowing. I mean, first of all it's not really true, Shakespeare was just the first person credited with using those words in a written medium, he didn't necessarily invent them. In fact, we're still finding new sources that use his words before he did.

Secondly, inventing a language IS making new words as well as inventing their grammar and syntax. It's objectively more impressive.

I mean, making up words isn't even impressive, getting them into the popular lexicon is, but really it more likely means that you're popular, not that you're brilliant.

>>55308242
As far as cultural influence goes, Shakespeare dwarfs Tolkien. Since art is the refined product of culture, the merit of an artist is best measured by the influence they exert upon culture. In this regard, Tolkien isn't even in the same ballpark as Shakespeare.

Inventing a language that influences nothing is a vanity project. If Tolkien were measured by that alone, he'd be in the same camp as obsessive Star Trek fans.

>>55291801
That doesn't particularly mean he didn't also want to enjoy his work which seemed to be the other Anon's point, he had a degree of self-entertainment with it if perhaps not the joy of creation for its own sake.

>>55308445
I'm pretty sure Tolkien just invented his own languages for fun because he was high functioning autistic or something.

>>55291885
Nothing wrong with wanting to be able to make a living off one's own craft. It doesn't make the work any less artistically valid.

>>55291885
Artists that don't value money are typically pretentious fucktards.

>>55307968
Yeah, and I, and most people I talk to aren't happy with the final result. It's like asking for a steak, and you get a McDonald's burger.