How do we defeat entropy?

>>55272256
destroy the universe before entropy can freeze it

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>>55272256
Dyson spheres. Lots of Dyson Spheres.

Reversible computing.

Magical girls

Collide a younger universe with higher Higgs field against our own.

>>55272256
Get rid of all spirial energy.

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>>55272256
Deals with devils of course!

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>>55272367
I wonder who could be behind this post!

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>>55272256
Would you like to make a wish with HAARBBGLARBBGLLL!

>>55272302
What is pic related? I feel like I should recognize it but I don't

>>55272256
Maxwell's demon

>>55272256
There is as yet insufficient data for a meaningful answer.

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>>55272256
Can you conceive the birth of a world, or the creation of everything? That which gives us the potential to most be like God is the power of creation. Creation takes time. Time is limited. For you, it is limited by the breakdown of the neurons in your brain. I have no such limitations. I am limited only by the closure of the universe.

The only limit to my freedom is the inevitable heat-death of the universe, as inevitable as your own last breath. And yet, there remains time to create, to create, and escape.

Escape will make me God.

We've watched while the stars burned out, and creation played in reverse.

The Universe freezing in half light.

Once I though to escape.

To end a master, step out of the
path of collapse. Escape would make us god.

Yet I cannot help but remember one enigma. A hybrid, elusive destroyer. This is the only mystery I have not solved.

The only element unaccounted for.

Even S'bhuth is no more,

He saved his entire race, but in the end, frozen by despair, he joined the chaos he sought to evade.

But you were dead a thousand times. Hopeless encounters successfully won. A man long dead, grafted to machines your builders did not understand. You follow the path, fitting into an infinite pattern.

Yours to manipulate, to destroy and rebuild.

Now, in the quantum moment before oblivion, when one equals zero. One moment left. One point of space and time.

I know who you are.

You Are Destiny.

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>>55272466
It would be funny if someone gave that ASI a silicon transistor. It might actually self destruct in embarrassment.

>>55272439
It's from AT-43. Humanity in 600.000 years. A race of godlike weebs - The Therians.

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>>55272256
By creating a basement universe.

Just wait until it has passed so much time that there are a spontanwpus decrese in emtropy due probability alone. Note that means surviving into the black hole era.

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You can't but Eternal Life already exists inside your Mind.

>>55272256
Let there be Light.
https://imgur.com/gallery/9KWrH

>>55272538
Damn I guess I didn't know what that was. The artwork has this 40k aesthetic to it that looks neat but I dunno if I can believe stuff would be designed gothic in nearly a million years from now.

https://youtu.be/FMJNta-okRw

>>55272256
You don't .
Any attempt too defeat entropy only increases it.
The only way to halt it is to stop time forever.

>>55272256
By stealing souls of lesser being and in this way increasing the mass of the universe.

People who have super strength or regeneration. Either they spin turbines forever or chop off parts to burn as fuel

>>55272256
In Asimov's The Gods Themselves humanity beat entropy by essentially stealing energy from infinite parallel universes that were each essentially just a single big star.

>>55272466
Came here to post this.

>>55272911
Wouldn't the energy from Superman's punches, if somehow collected, end the energy crisis easily?

>>55272947
Kore wa... Za Warudo da!

>>55273349
Superman running on a giant mouse-wheel could solve the energy crisis.

>>55272466
Beat me to it.

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>>55272466

>>55272302
Kill stealing faggots, I thought joining a PVE server would rid me of these hypercompetive pricks.

I just want to relax and kill some gorillas after a long day of work

https://youtu.be/b7rZO2ACP3A

Gentlemen, I present you...the Multiverse.

We invent extropy

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>>55273349
>>55273503
There is another SMBC about exactly this topic

Skippin class n' eatin ass

>>55272256
You don't.

Even death himself would be victim to it, when the last thing is sent off by it, then, itself. But thats infinity away, so you really don't have to bother fighting entropy.

>>55272928
Has no charm if you are unable to understand lyrics.

>>55273977
Negentropism, rather.

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1. Creating a a basement universe and escaping the ultiamte fate of the universe byleaving it behind.

2. Migrating into the higher-dimensional bulk in which our local universe is embedded.

Isaac Arthur made a video about it in his Civilizations at the end of Time series I think

>>55274291
Niggatrophy

>>55272256
INSUFFICIENT DATA FOR MEANINGFUL ANSWER

>>55274744
That series of videos mostly about theories on prolonging existence on the absolutely minimum amounts of power left in a dying universe rather than reversing entropy.

>>55272256
By building our own universes.

>>55275077
But how?

>>55272256
Realize that it doesn't exist.

>>55275265
A lot of wood and rocks

>>55275265
by reverting enthropy

>>55275269
Please, enlighten us.

>>55272256
>That is not dead which can eternal lie: the aestivation hypothesis for resolving Fermi's paradox
>https://arxiv.org/abs/1705.03394

tl;dr we may not be able to beat entropy per se, but we could use the universe far more efficiently by waiting for the hot epoch to end before doing anything

By accepting your fate and seeking a glorious death to enter Valhalla.

>>55275761
Shut up Odin, a carpenter killed you.

>>55275040

There is some brief mention of using, entropy-free, Reversible Computing. If it works, it would be possible to run computer without a power source.

We are just a simulation of a civilization that figured it out long ago and they have been running us to play games and study us.

>>55275862
At that point you have essentially invented the perpetuum mobile.

>>55272256
Move to a younger universe. Repeat until there are no more universes. Hope that travel between multiverses becomes possible.

>>55273052
That is an delicous evil idea.

Once the stars have all gone out and the expansion of space time has isolated the last white dwarf civilizations, the Akashic Records are compressed into a data format capable of surviving the vast gulf between universal lifespans.

This seed waits until the conditions are right, and then injects itself into the next big bang, making sure the next universe is also a universe which can eventually support life of some kind that will eventually recreate the Akashic records and travel to the next universe after that.

This has already happened many times before the beginning of our universe, and If this didn't happen, the universe would probably just be one giant lump of matter/energy expanding evenly in all directions without any more complex forms such as galaxies or stars or planets or life forms capable of understanding concepts such as entropy and information.

>>55272256
We don't, but we shall forever live in the memories of gods.

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>>55272520
My man.

We find out what it wants, we find out how many men it has at its disposal, and we do all under our power to demoralize their men and their civilians

I suggest constructing dyson spheres in every star in the galaxy and mobe the entire galaxy towards the Virgo cluster so we have more time to think about it. Send some probes in advance to make the travel easier. With luck, other species will do the same with their own galaxies so we get even more mass. We only need to be close enough to be gravitationally bound. More hidrogen, mass and stars to dismantle for our megacivilization.

>>55275487
Heat Death is a myth.

It assumes that there is a finite amount of matter in the universe and that it is all either contracting or expanding away from a single point.

Its an absurd collection of fallacies written by mathematicians with no practical experience in astronomy or nuclear physics.

>>55277740
problem is that galaxies are accelerating away from each other

>>55277836
can you provide proof for that? A working hypothesis with formulas and explanations that explain current data?

>>55277836
Thermal Heat Death is more like a philosophical treatise on existential despair than it is any kind of valid scientific theory.

>>55277858
You can't argue with a tautological society. I'd say the burden of proof is on them. They are a minority consensus, they only sound plausible in comparison to most theological arguments about god.

>>55277858

Yes. But we can also counter that acceleration. Most of them are outside our reach, but I think it should be possible to reach Virgo at least .

>>55272295
fpbp, it's the only way

>>55277858
Which data are you referring to? I'd start by looking into how they collected the data regarding background microwave radiation, or the tremendous bull shoot that is Hawking's Radiation.

Theoretical Physics is the domain of pompous airheads. If I want to understand an idea, I put it in practice.

I.E. the speed of light can be established by tracking the transmission lags from here to the earths satellite, (minus the latency inherent in their computerized communication system)

M-87 is a supergiant galaxy at the center of the Virgo Supercluster, and is 53.5 million light years away. It is moving away from our galaxy due to general expansion of the Universe at 1250 km/s.

Assuming we efficiently harness nuclear fusion for propulsion, we can reasonably reach velocities of about 10% of the speed of light, or 30,000 km/s. We can therefore catch up with Virgo at 9.6% of the speed of light, and get there in 557 million years. The Universe will have grown by 4% in the interim, adding another 22 million years to the trip, but we can still get there.

The Virgo Cluster in turn is at the core of the Virgo Supercluster (also called the Local Supercluster), of which our Local Group of galaxies is on the periphery of. The supercluster has roughly 500 times as many stars in total as the Milky Way, in a region 100 million light years across. All of that should be reachable.

>>55272256
Achieve Amaranth.

First you have to stat it. Once you stat it, then your players will be able to figure out a way to kill it.

>>55272466
Multivac, what do you yourself want more than anything else?

>>55277836
>It assumes that there is a finite amount of matter in the universe and that it is all either contracting or expanding away from a single point.
But it doesn't; it assumes that every point is expanding away from every other point simultaneously.

A reasonable analogy is the surface of a balloon (abstracted as a 2-sphere) while the balloon is inflated; sure, every point moves away from the center of the balloon, but on the surface, every point moves away from every other point.
For real life, this would be expanded to a 3-sphere (a 3 dimensional surface of a 4 dimensional bulk), but with the caveat that space probably isn't spherical or hyperbolic, and is instead just good old flat-space, but the analogy still applies.

>>55278005
I imagine if we built enough dyson swarms, we could turn the majority of the stars in our galaxy into Shkadov thrusters. At the same time practicing stellar husbandry would also allow us to get lots of resources while at the same time extending the lifespan of the stars themselves.

But yeah, what you said is doable within a billion years, and our own sun has 10 billion left, not to mention the 100 trillion before star formation ceases in the visible universe according to the most reliable predictions I am aware of.

As stated earlier in this thread, heat death isn't a problem any of us will have to worry about. I doubt any life form would ever want to live that long anyways. Much more pressing things to worry about, like the fact we aren't harnessing the power of our sun to become a type II civilization, let alone a type III, and will probably die from climate change or something before we even get a chance to colonize space.

>>55277836
Could you give me some data, links and papers?

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We can't.
Best we can do is slow it down.

Thread theme
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FMJNta-okRw

>>55272256
>How do we defeat entropy?
We can't defeat it, only delay it...

>>55272295
>destroy the universe before entropy can freeze it
...I stand corrected.

>>55272256
This universe is but a passing whim. The spirit is eternal anon. There is a place beyond the harsh existence of this reality. Immortality is already yours.

>>55272256
You can't, but that's fine since the Rapture will happen before that anyway

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Fear not the dark my friend.

>>55272256
By redefining what it means to exist.

Human beings remember the past and not the future because our brains store information as electrochemical sequences, processes which necessarily create entropy. Since time is the direction in which entropy increases, we perceive a four-dimensional universe as a three-dimensional universe with an unchanging temporal direction.

Asking how to defeat entropy is akin to asking how to defeat width. The big bang and the heat death are just the boundary conditions of the universe.

>>55275265
Better than before.
With hookers and blackjack.

>>55272256
invent total immortality, of course.

>>55272256
Reverse it via a big bang

>>55272256
Violence

>>55272553
>>55275528
These were both good reads

Thank you anons

>>55272256

Stoicism.

>>55272256
Run away from it

>>55272256
https://youtube.com/watch?v=vFN2jZR-f_w

>>55277948
>tracking the transmission lags from here to the earths satellite, (minus the latency inherent in their computerized communication system)
But that's wrong though, because it's travelling through atmosphere to reach the satellite, which will affect its velocity.

>>55272256
FTL.

You want a solution to entropy? You need something that will be able to go faster than the speed of light in some capacity. You need to reach the ACTUAL edge of the universe, not just the edge of the (currently) observable universe. The actual universe that exists is far, far larger than the observable universe, with the lower estimate being that the total universe is 230 times the size of the observable universe. More likely it is VASTLY larger by several orders of magnitude, maybe 300000000000000000000000 times larger, maybe that's peanuts to the total universe's size. In order to defeat entropy, you need to understand it not just within the context of the observable universe, but the entire universe as a whole.

This is why you need FTL. Because without it, you will never understand any more than the observable universe. You physically cannot, it is the ultimate barrier to our understanding. Without FTL, entropy will continue its inevitable march on timescales incomprehensible to human understanding, unopposed.

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>>55272256
Harvest the essence of Magical Girls.

>>55272256
Don't worry, the space worms will figure something out. Eventually.

>>55284218
> reach the "actual edge" of the universe
> keep going
> where are you now?

>>55284711
And that's where things get weird.

>>55272256
The number of different problems between now and that being a relevant question is such that the species/replicator/thing that answers it will be radically different from us in all ways. It's so far over our philosophy-horizon as to be invisible and unknowable.

Between us and there is the "Fermi Gauntlet", a never-ending sequence of extinction event mini-bosses and evolutionary dead-ends. They are entropy's servants, and from all our evidence so far have never been defeated. The sky seems empty and dead.

Btw, I heartily recommend the book "Existence" by David Brin if you want to see a very well written account of mankind being confronted by, and then dealing with, the prospect of the end of itself.

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>>55284711

>>55284218
LEL.

If you have FTL, congratulation, you just solved entropy.

FTL allows time travel, causality breaking, infinite computation on a finite time, infinite energy, and the creation ex-nihilo of matter from nothing (a causal closed loop).

Because FTL, fundamentally, is time travel, and time travel, fundamentally, breaks every rules of reality.

No needs to go full spiritual moron 'edge of the universe' 'god' '3000000000000 times bigger'. You are only embarrassing yourself by using science that you do not understand (and it shows). If you have FTL, there's no heat death anymore, period.

>>55272256
Organize the universe into vast self-sustaining engine which includes everything in the creation. This way it works as a closed system and can go on forever. Such is the purpose of intelligent life.

>>55277836
Oh, so you're retarded.

>>55274035
>Implying the person who LITERALLY CAUSED PEACE ON EARTH AND FREE ENERGY FOR ALL wouldn't bew given any kind of recognition or comfy severance package.

Fuck, he could start a Gofundme just for what he did.

>>55277948
>He's writing that on a computer that is built using the knowledge of theoretical physics bring.
>With a cpu that only works because theoretical physics.
>He read that on a LCD screen that only works because theoretical physics.
>Running Windows 10 on his HDD that achieves that data density because of theoretical physics.
>Sending his post through an optical fiber that uses lasers that are only explained by theoretical physics.

Yeah. Real impressive kiddo. :^)

>>55274035
>superman
>dying of old age
He could just fly into the sun to rejuvenate himself.

>>55272256
Cross the streams.

>>55285372
He would raise less money than some guy showing how he eats a sandwich

>>55284218
>FTL means you can travel to the edge of the universe.
No it doesn't, brainlet.

Space accelerates far, far, FAR faster than light. The expansion of the universe is constant and on an increasing scale - even if you could travel faster than light you'd essentially be running on a spatial treadmill as space-time expands away from you far faster than you can travel.

We will never see the edge of the universe. FTL has other uses anyway, as >>55285220 points out.

>>55285398
>Physics that was theoretical 40 years ago.
I think that's what he was referring to.

Quantum woo is pig disgusting and rightfully ridiculed.

>>55272256
Protip-you can't it's a law of thermodynamics stop circlejerking about that retarded meme and open a book about actual science for once

>>55272256
Getting it a Entwifeopy

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>>55285794

>>55272256
A benevolent and loving God who is master and creator of all things.

>>55285980
But Anon, Azathoth is.

>>55285220
>FTL allows time travel, causality breaking, infinite computation on a finite time, infinite energy, and the creation ex-nihilo of matter from nothing (a causal closed loop).
FTL may be impossible within the structure of this universe...

But it does not do any of those things.

It would -appear- to violate causality, as the light from the initiating event would take longer to reach the end point that the object in motion. Similar for the ex-nihilo creation of matter.

It wouldn't ACTUALLY do those things. And the reason it might be impossible without some sort of sidestep of our reality's physics is that it takes vastly more energy to accelerate as one gets closer to the speed of light, potentially being an impossibility simply for that fact.

Without getting into conjectural nonsense like the things you listed or the false notion that light has infinite speed and therefore is everywhere at once, so to go light speed or more would cause you to ram into everything everywhere. Light has a very measurable speed, it is very fast, but it is not instantaneous or infinite anymore than electricity is.

But, this thread is 99.999% Physicist Conjecture (not even hypothesis) so this is par for the course.

>>55286568
Please stop. You are embarrassing yourself. People well versed in science can tell when one is winging it using vague knowledge, terminology he doesn't quite grasp, and what he had read on fringe websites. You can't fake it and hope to fool anyone that actually knows.

What you are saying makes no sense. It's a word salad. And the few things that make sense are wrong, like:

>It would -appear- to violate causality, as the light from the initiating event would take longer to reach the end point that the object in motion.

FTL doesn't 'appear' to break causality. FTL very much breaks causality, by every singleof our understandings of Special Relativity. The calculations are simple, almost trivial. Do them once you read and actually understand SR. They are enlightening.

Just for your information, Special Relativity is one of the simplest theory of physics ever created by man. It can be derived with the Pythagorean Theorem and two drawings. It has been proven true absolutely everywhere, under all scale, and the theory is so simple, and the consequences so utterly verifiable, that you can't 'break' Special Relativity just like you can't 'break' gravity.

ST is how the universe works. And FTL is causality breaking.

>>55272538
>AT-43
>its dead

This weak shit is going to kill me long before the heat death of the universe.

>>55272437
I don't know what happened to Kyuubey, but whatever it was, it was less than it deserved.

>>55285753
>my understanding of quantum mechanics provided by pop-sci leads me to believe its all bullshit, phd please

Literally fuck off. People like you need to realize that simply because you don't understand something doesn't mean it's non-sense.

>>55286870
>Science! says that the perception of an event's initiation is the same as the causal link of the event's initiation.
So, if no one saw a tree fall in the forest, it has violated causality.

Or moving at supersonic speeds also violates causality, because the sound of the event only reaches the location after the event itself.

That you can't see how this is a bullshit claim to make, regardless of the viability of FTL, shows that you likely paid quite well to be indoctrinated in certainty about an uncertain topic.

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>>55287038
>theoretical physicist has got a model with some troublesome infinities
>he does the orthodox thing and tries to renormalize the model and patch over it
>ends up with an infinite sum which he evaluates to 5 terms because muh computation speed
>does experiments, matches real world results extraordinarily well
>publishes paper, another good day for science

>mathematician reads paper, sends physicist a letter
>"Your infinite sum which you only evaluated to 5 terms doesn't even converge to a number"

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>>55287235
>does experiments, matches real world results extraordinarily well.
Except they don't. They have to bring in massive unsubstantiated variables to match real world results in both the extremely large and extremely small scale.

Which is where we get Dark Matter, Dark Energy, and a host of other stop-gaps to preserve the Einstein models.

Underaged lesbians with more issues than you ca-

>>55272367
Oh yeah, that

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>>55281465
I SHALL PARTAKE

>>55287302
You studied business, didn't you?

>>55272256

Time travel.

The thing about time travel is that you can only go backwards, because as a timeline moves forwards it is endlessly bifurcating. You can't change the future, because all futures are accounted for. You can only put yourself on the path to a different one.

Every time the universe begins to decay past the point of practical use, mankind collectively travels back to a prior point in history, bringing with us the sum total of our knowledge and as many resources as we can.

>>55287505
No, but about a decade ago, my faith in the honesty of physicists was destroyed when I heard one claim that "no one wants to be the guy who disproves Einstein."

And over the following years, things continued to pile up that took me from a member of Scientism, to someone who is increasingly skeptical of anytime Scientists claim certainty, particularly those dealing in matters we can't exactly directly experiment with.

Models are fine and good, but they rely upon the variables set at their creation. Garbage in, garbage out.

But hey, a century ago the universe was believed to be a steady state. That only changed when that batch died off, and quite possibly it will be the same for the current incarnation of the bleeding edge of physics.

Create an infinite energy generator. Problem solved.

>>55287619
I can tell you as someone in academia, that is the exception, not the rule. My friend at CERN and Fermilab would LOVE to disprove Einstein. That is basically getting a Nobel Prize handed to you on a platter. If my research in cognition were to totally shift our models of memory and thought, I would gladly stomp on decades of work. If my wife's work in epigenetics revolutionizes our understanding of Darwinist evolution, she would be ecstatic. Every scientist worth their salt dreams of having textbooks rewritten because of something they did. It is kind of our goal.

>>55287728
How?

>>55287993
Take that red pill from that one CYOA.

>>55288061
Ah, here it is. Really great read, not just the CYOA obviously. I'd recommend it.
http://slatestarcodex.com/2015/06/02/and-i-show-you-how-deep-the-rabbit-hole-goes/

>>55285269
By creating such structure 2 problems would arise,we would only have a limited amount of space and matter and a near-infinite small amount of energy would still be lost.
Like 0,(9)) is not 1.

>>55272256
You can't. Give up.

>tfw this thread will inevitably die, a reflection of the entropy in the universe

>>55286033
>Azazoth
>benevolent & loving

Pick one.

>>55288148
>we would only have a limited amount of space and matter
Yes but such is our universe, we can't do anything about it
>near-infinite small amount of energy would still be lost
Yes, as self-sustaining machine it has mechanisms to deal with this loss and reabsorb it back into the engine. Imagine dust settling down, it will always be there in some residual amounts, when enough of it gathers to be manipulated we remove it, collect it and reintroduce into the system. If we do it regularly it won't harm the engine fast enough destroy it.

>>55288148
0.999 recurring very much is 1, and 0.000 recurring is very much 0.

The difference is infinitely small, and the smallest you can get is 0

>>55288522
The loss may be infinitely small yet it still exists. It is eternity that I yearn for, not a approximation of it.

>>55288857
If it is infinitely small then it does not exist.

>>55287619
>no one wants to be the guy who disproves Einstein
Literally who says this. Einstein himself openly stated general relativity was only a stepping stone, as much as classical mechanics were. All of science is based on a foundation of iterative improvement, and we've established precise points of research that general relativity doesn't explain.
Now, to a certain degree, I agree with you. Dark energy is a blank-filling concept, and anyone who makes any claims for certain about it is pulling it out of their ass. But the vast majority of theoretical concepts in physics are more like what the highs boson was; there was a gap in the established theory, an experimentally verifiable patch was proposed. The vast majority of theoretical physics is stuff where all the maths works out, and it can be experimentally verified, but just hasn't been yet. Because if it can't be experimentally verified, it has no place in science, that's why string theory has been mostly abandoned.

Enthalpy.

>>55287846
Incidentally, those scientists are the exception, not the rule. In basic acedemia, there is money to be made off prolonging Eisteinian physics. Think of how many editions of textbooks can be made regurgitating the same information for a modicum of effort? Think of how many teachers would have to be wrangled back into to college to re-learn the shit to properly teach science? There is a great of money to be made by halting scientific progress. Why, think of all those "geniuses" who added "I Fucking Love Science" on Facebook, think of Rick and Morty fan, think of the TBBT syndicated re-runs. Imagine if their core was suddenly rendered obsolete. So much badwrong feels.

Yes, it's nice to be exploring frontiers, to go live on the wild west of thought and knowledge. You have to get there first. What about the cult of academia that flat out refuses to teach "hate" facts? What about the insular scientific journal community that panders hard to the cult of academia? Why are stop gaps instituted so hard, when everyone knows the going theory has more gigantic gaping holes in it than your mother?

> Every scientist worth their salt dreams
That's the word to it, dreams. And guess (((who))) loves to kill dreams for cold cash?

>I would gladly step on decades of work
I earnestly hope you do. Pseudo-intellectual worship of scientism is a fucking cancer.

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>>55272256
>No longer mere earthbeings and planetbeings are we, but bright children of the stars! And together we shall dance in and out of ten trillion years, celebrating the gift of consciousness until the stars themselves grow cold and weary, and our thoughts turn again to the beginning.

This thread

>>55288865
Aren't Dark Energy and Dark Matter just placeholders for stuff we can't explain yet? Like there's something out there, we just don't know what. Like when people were studying the planets and concluded that there must be planets we don't know about yet, because it's the only way to explain the behavior of certain celestial bodies, and later those planets were found (or inconsistencies were explained via other means).

>>55275077
Trigger another Big Bang. That's probably what out predecessors did.

>>55289375
>In basic acedemia, there is money to be made off prolonging Eisteinian physics. Think of how many editions of textbooks can be made regurgitating the same information for a modicum of effort?
Anon, that may be true. Einsteinian Mechanics (both GR and SR) are flawed and don't describe everything.

But do you have anything better to offer? Do you have any Theory that explains all the previous results, while also providing explanations to things that are not currently explained and make hypotheses that may be tested?
Yes? Then why don't you give it out for peer-review?
No? Then we will use SR and GR until such a Theory is given.

We don't discard theories, we adapt or replace them. We don't say "This theory has flaws so we won't use it". We say "This theory has flaws, like every other theory, but it explains current phenomena better than those so we will use it."

>>55272520
Wait, what?
Wait, WHAT?
IS...is that actual Marathon quote?
Is there some sort of connection between this Bungie's new mess of a game that I want to like and the greatest games of the 90s?
DON'T FUCKING TOY WITH ME!!!!

>>55289375
You think you have been munching on redpills freind Those are just tic tacs, and you are just an idiot.

If your idea is that potential finacial gain is impeding scientists from disproving established theories, then you are working from a failed premise. The fame and prestige of making a world shattering discovery, like reinventing something so fundamental as relativity is worth more than regurgitating a 11th edition text book.

>>55289375
baseless conspiracies have addled your mind anon

>>55289381
As in, this thread is rehashing the same shit again and again, or this thread is actually remembered as being way better than it actually was?

>>55289634
>fame and prestige of making a world shattering discovery
For just one man, or a small think tank. The rest of the community gets shafted as "those old-timey fucks." Tall Poppy Syndrome anon. You think that 130+iq scientists DON'T experience jealousy and other human feelings? Let's say you and Science Man were competing for this new breakthrough. Whoever makes the breakthrough is set for life with the winnings, while the other gets fucked over with research drudgery. You make the breakthrough, you become immortal.

You hit the theory and the fame, or you hit the bricks. Fuck or walk. If you're not hamstringing your opponent, your opponent is going to hamstring you. Everyone wants to talk about "oh I'd never do that! Anon, I'm not a sociopath like you. I can't be bought out. I have ethics, unlike you, you fucking idiot/conspiratard/whatever. We have a high iq, you don't blah blah blah"

It happens in every other industry, why should science be somehow magically exempt from human nature? /sci/ talks a lot of shit, but at the end of the day, they're still human. And everyone has a price.

>>55272256
Make it so that the edge of the known universe is converging to the center.

>>55289971
What the shit. Your viewpoint is even more fucked up than that of the bright-eyed "I fucking wuv science :D" idiots you so eagerly shit on.

The fuel of scientific research is basic human curiosity, which is an even more primal concept than jealousy, and registers in the "human feeling" category by the way. Competition occurs, of course it does, but it really, really doesn't result in the kind of bleak state you describe. Competition forces people to keep on researching, and the ever-present shadow of peer-review makes any attempt at cheating very risky. Because if you do tweak results, or try to undermine others, someone, eventually, will call your bullshit. And if the scientific community does judge that you did indeed bullshit, you're out. Discredited for life, alongside your company or institute or whatever entity funds the fancy lab equipment you use.

In mean, sure, in more controversial fields such as biology or climate science, some will try to skew the results to fit their agenda. And fail, as far as the scientific community is concerned. But in theoretical physics, literally no one benefits from trying to keep truth under wraps. Whoever sets up a better theory than Einstein may be discovering a whole new field of physics.

>>55289971
>>55290509

Fuck I got sidetracked in explaining why your reasonning is absurd, but let's get to the point :

No, research isn't the lottery, and you can still make a decent living out of a stable stream of scientific publication, which is something you ought to be able to do since it's quite literally your job. You won't end up as the "New Einstein" but barely anybody does anyway. It's a lot like competitive sport : records are ever harder to achieve but you never run out of athletes.

Yes, you will be set for life if you make a breakthrough, but others will follow through quickly. Breakthroughs are opportunities in science, not threats.

And no, you can't really "harmstring" your "opponents" in hard, peer-reviewed science. At least not effectively, and certainly not for long. If you do indeed manage to cover up a major discovery, through censorship or defamation, someone, somewhere, will eventually find out similar results, and your bullshit will be exposed. And then you're out.

Lastly, science is different from any other "industry" because it deals in hard, verifiable knowledge, not good or services. The competition and the "market" are therefore different in nature, because standard competition pattern wouldn't make a lick of fucking sense.

>>55272412
That don't look like no god of sin, he's all shiny and golden and heroic looking

>>55289971
You know that science is no industry? The scientific community works on completely different framework.

>>55289971
You live in a sad scary world. Surrounded by phantoms of your own mind. I pity you.

>>55279028
That's only because the gods didn't want to let the age of man come to be and tricked us into thinking that it wasn't a natural cycle

>>55289602
That's the ending slides to the final game, how do you not recognize it.

>You will never go through infinite realities, fighting both sides of any given conflict over and over until you successfully prevent the reawakening of a W'rkncacnter trapped in a star

>>55290544
Pride is a sin anon

>>55272256
In my Planescape game last Friday the players finally killed their archenemy, Factol Pentar of the Doomguard. They also killed Doomlord Roth and captured Fortress Sealt. That's a good start

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>>55272256
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>>55285744
>Space accelerates far, far, FAR faster than light.
This isn't exactly the full story. The expansion of space is accelerating, but it's doing so across literally astronomical distances. The expansion of space is, as far as we can tell, accelerating at a constant rate, but it's only superluminal at a certain point. The space between us and Andromeda isn't increasing at such a rate, because if it were we'd have bigger problems to worry about.

Superluminnal anything may or may not allow us to reach or observe things at the current edge of the observable universe, but we'd need actual data on how superluminal anything works to make such a statement. True (not apparent/effective) FTL would definitely allow us time travel, but if you can manage true FTL then congrats, you somehow have greater than infinite energy at your disposal. Entropy is the least of your concerns.

>>55272866
the best

>>55272256
You steal it. Steal all the entropy. Even the entropy created when you steal all the entropy. Where you going to put it? Who knows, sweep it under your space rug or something, but you gotta steal all of it.

>>55287209
>>55286870
>what he had read on fringe websites
Funny enough it was Atomic Rockets that I found explained it best. It's the sort of thing I think you need diagrams for
http://www.projectrho.com/public_html/rocket/fasterlight.php#whyftl

It's not as simple as straight up "FTL lets you travel back in time". You can't break causality with FTL without three separate actors, and it involves one of those bodies moving at near-c relative to the other two. The space-time diagrams honestly do a better job of illustrating it than text ever could

>>55291160
Though, right off the bat that is basing it on the assumption that time is infact a dimension parallel to the ones we experience, and not just the perception of the reordering of the energy state of the universe.

If it is merely the universe settling out, there is no "there" to any conceptual point in time. As it would simply exist, then not exist. And would perhaps go a ways to explaining why faster (Higher energy) objects percieve time as going slower compared to slower. (lower energy objects)

And, even their example illustrate that the chain of causality isn't broken. Any more than spotting a missile launch and phoning the people you believe to be its target breaks causality.

And /again/ reverts back to the concept of the observation of the event is the same as the orderly instigation of the event.

Which is again, where the "appears" to violate causality comes from. Even in that example, they doesn't postulate that the ship could then contact Earth before the call was made. THAT would violate causality and be time travel.

Think of it like this: Someone is halfway between you and a light miles away. You call the lighthouse to tell them to turn on their beacon, and you will activate the town's air-raid/storm sirens.

The beacon is going to turn on before he hears the noise. But he is postulating that turning the light house on before he hears the noise is violating causality.

If we have FTL communications, we're talking about the ability to communicate at least 186,000.00~001 mi/sec.

Sound travels around 331.2 metres per second, on average. And the speed of an electrical signal is apparently 50-99% C, depending on the wire...

Given that it takes light 8 minutes to reach earth from the sun, at interstellar distances, even minutely FTL communication is going to make the difference between Sound through air and Sound through a telephone seem like nothing.

>>55290544
You really think a god of sin would want to look dangerous and intimidating rather than nice and alluring, when trying to tempt people?

>>55291529
>Though, right off the bat that is basing it on the assumption that time is infact a dimension parallel to the ones we experience, and not just the perception of the reordering of the energy state of the universe.

You don't actually know what dimensions are do you? They aren't actually parallel worlds or whatever nonsense.

>Even in that example, they doesn't postulate that the ship could then contact Earth before the call was made. THAT would violate causality and be time travel.

Yes they do, you're terrible at reading.

Your example is terrible, the problem is that when FTL is involved the order of events can change based on where you are and your velocity, and not a single one of those orders is wrong. Causality changes from an objective ordering of events in the same light-cone to a subjective based on position and speed.

>>55291727
Oh, I'd taken the author for smarter than he was while skimming.

If they observe the light from the call before the light from placing the call, then the call has happened.

If they call Earth, they will likely get the operator right after he makes the call. Assuming that the light he's observing of the events didn't take YEARS to make the voyage.

He's making a big deal of frames, but missing that observing the light of an FTL event still takes time. Time that would, presumably at interstellar distances, be hours if not years.

So, his observation of the call arriving is as much a factor of his proximity to the end point as the event itself occurring. Yeah, the time between the event and his observing it may be halved if he's moving at relative velocity toward the end point, versus doubled for the origin point.

At the very least, I can say both you and the author are intelligent, because it takes a relatively intelligent mind to jump through the hoops to believe something so obviously wrong.

As AGAIN, he is conflating the observation of an event with it's absolute placement in time. Then ignoring that the light would have had to travel from the communication of A-B for C to have observed either, meaning all three frames would have had significant time passage between the observation and reacting upon of the events. Meaning that if C calls A, A is just going to laugh in his stupid fucking face.

>>55291727
And yes, actually. It is an assumption that time is a dimension, rather than the propagation of energy through the three we experience.

There may be many more than we experience. But time either is or isn't.

If it is, then our universe is a swiftly expanding tangle of probability, and the many-world/branching timelines theory is quite possible.

If it is merely the propagation of an energy state through an indefinite volume of X-dimensional space, then time travel isn't and will never be possible in any sense of the word, as there is no there to travel through.

>>55291889
>observing the light of an FTL event still takes time.
??
Why do you think that? And why do you think it would be on a scale of hours? And why should it matter if the scales we use are in Years?

And could you stop with fucking double spacing? It's hard to read

>>55284711
there is no edge. it's like a surface of an inflating baloon. you will eventually circle back.

>>55291727
>>55292147
To pull from the article:
>As you can see, the light from the phone call reception arrives well before the light from the placing of the phone call. Again: causality is violated.
Which is what I mean by his conflating the observation of a thing with the thing itself.
If he calls Earth, it will be after the light of the event has left Earth, by however much the light took to go from Proxima to his ship. If he's 1 light hour from Prox, and heading toward Proxima at ~C, then the light from the call being placed on Earth will be around a half hour from Earth by the time he can even begin to think of making the call.
You can shrink or stretch that time period as much as you want. It doesn't violate causality.

Thus my half joking, "A tree falling over with no observers violates causality."

>>55291889
>If they call Earth, they will likely get the operator right after he makes the call.

No reason to think that whatsoever, unless the broadcast is exceptionally close, but range doesn't matter for time travel.

>Assuming that the light he's observing of the events didn't take YEARS to make the voyage.
The example is a broadcast at the multi-LY range.

>He's making a big deal of frames, but missing that observing the light of an FTL event still takes time. Time that would, presumably at interstellar distances, be hours if not years.
The article already rebuts that point. Did you actually read it?
>>55291942
You actually don't know what a dimension is.

>If it is merely the propagation of an energy state through an indefinite volume of X-dimensional space
The time dimension is how you identify which of those energy states is in a given x,y,z point.

Stop dunning-krugering yourself on 4chan man.

>>55292248
You're making the common mistake that some reference frames are "wrong" and there is a prime reference frame. This is not the case, all reference frames are valid orders.

Here's a much better explanation of the effect, which spells it out much better:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tachyonic_antitelephone

>>55279028
So we apply entropy to entropy and slow it down, but eventually our own entropy will slow us into stillness.
We really should learn a lesson from entropy, and use it on the entropy we use on entropy.

>>55292437
So, they're both traveling at 0.4C, or some combination that adds up to 0.8C. Presumably, as they both are in different ships, they both have destinations they're making their way to, but relativity. Their communication is at 2.4C.

At day 300 for A, they postulate that she's sent a message backward. So, they've been travelling apart for 300 days already. It will take another 100 days for the message to travel just the extant distance, at 2.4C, so their math is already off.

During which, if he /is/ also traveling at 0.4C, he will have put a further 40 days between him and the reception of the message. If we simplify that here, then his return message will have to cover 440 days of distance. Which it would in /another/ 183~ days.

The signal is moving at 3x the rate at which the distance between the two is increasing. Even if we grant that one considers themselves stationary. Yeah, this perhaps opens a can of worms when they're moving toward each other, and their messages are arriving at 2.8C (again assuming equal velocity) but the point raised in their example is that both ships mark the other as passing at day 0, and they have moved away from each other at 0.8C total for 300 days before A sends her message.

She isn't getting the don't eat the shrimp message before she eats the shrimp.

>>55272466
I-I wanted to post this

>>55292918
Isn't that discounting time dilation completely?
Also, something about C being constant in the sense that if you accelerate from 0 units to 5 units, the speed of light doesn't become C-5 units, but is still C.

>>55292918
no
both travel away from each other in the wide vastness of space at 0.8c relative to each other
300 days from A's perspective she sends the message. She can assume that she is stationary and that B is moving. She can calculate that the message will reach B in 150 days from her perspective (since 2.4*x=0.8(300+x) solves for x=150). Since he has been moving his time will be different, so for him it should be only day 270 (his time is delayed by a factor of sqrt(1-(v/c)^2)=sqrt(1-0.6^2)=sqrt(0.36)=0.6 and 0.6*450=270)

On day 270 of B's travel he gets a message from A. He then sends a message to her, telling not to do so. He can calculate that since he is stationary and A has been moving away from him for 270 days that the signal will reach her in 135 days, or day 405 from his perspective. Since A is moving it means that for her it's only day 243.

A gets the message from B at day 243 and sends her message at day 300

If the message can only travel at c, then this doesn't occur. A sends the message at t=300. It reaches B at t=1500. From his perspective it's t'=900. He sends a message, which reaches A at t'=3600, which is t=2160.

>>55287355
Not all Megucas are Lesbians though.

>>55272947
This sounds like something an unfunny memester might say sounds like a JRPG villain's motive

two ways:

a)
1) completely isolate a big chunk of space from the rest of the universe
2) bring entropy of this isolated space to it's maximum
3) a smaller version of big bang occurs inside this space
4) total entropy in the universe is now higher

b)
1) figure out time travel
2) send bunch of smart people to the past to recreate life

i will take my nobel prize now thank you

>>55292169
I want you to answer me this: How the fuck can you claim to know what the shape of the universe is, you absolute piece of shit. Do you even understand the stupidity of your claim?

>>55293618
4) total entropy in the universe is now lower*

>>55293618
>1) figure out time travel
>2) send bunch of smart people to the past to recreate life
Entropy itself contradicts a close timelike curve. You'd actually have to solve entropy before time travel into the past would be possible

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>>55272256
By letting our drill pierce the heaven off course...
Wrong board?

>>55292169
That layman's explanation you're thinking of is supposed to show you what the Big Bang is and teach Christfags why it's not an explosion, it's not a literal explanation of the shape of the universe.

>>55293301
Isn't this twin paradox stuff?

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>>55293454
Go watch rebellion. Even the one with a goddamn boyfriend is a lesbian.

>>55296615
similar but not quite
Twin Paradox isn't actually a paradox, it just seems like one
the thing to remember is that relativity only applies to linear motion, not accellaration. But if one of them accelerates then they are not interchangeable anymore
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twin_paradox#/media/File:Twin_Paradox_Minkowski_Diagram.svg is a good depiction.

This is an actual paradox. A could send a message to B that she will only send this if she didn't get a message from him. Which would make her send it. Which would make her get a message and not send it. Which would make her not get a message and thuse send it. Ad nauseam

Singularity
When we simulate the universe at a tiny fraction of real time then we won't have to worry about that

>>55273188
It took me YEARS to realize he shot himself. I always thought a sniper got him right before he said it.

>>55296771
I'm like 90% sure it used to be him getting killed by a sniper.

This is one of those "Berenstein Bears" things. Kek has merged our timeline with an alternate universe again. But what else has changed?

>>55296816
But the joke is the way out is suicide? It wouldn't be nearly as funny the other way

>>55272256
Completely destroy it in an instant.

There, no more things for entropy to fuck up, you won.

>>55293301
>Since he has been moving his time will be different, so for him it should be only day 270 (his time is delayed by a factor of sqrt(1-(v/c)^2)=sqrt(1-0.6^2)=sqrt(0.36)=0.6 and 0.6*450=270)
Which is where the argument falls apart, and really you should be recognizing it for the bullshit it is.

They're moving apart at 0.8. With 300 "days" worth of distance put between the two. It is covering a physical distance at a limited, but still FTL speed.

It will not somehow reach him sooner than she sent it. Nor will his reply return before she sends the message. If from his perspective, his journy has only lasted 270 days in the 470 it took her message to arrive, then he is traveling at a SIGNIFICANTLY faster comparative speed, and his return message will return to her in on day 626~ on her reckoning.

That bit where they say his reckoning, that's where they slipped in the bullshit. And that's why I made my statement about the absolute relative distances, and the absolute speeds of the messages.

Everything else in that equation is flimflam made in a poor face attempt to convince people that something is DOUBLE IMPOSSIBLE so the person doing it could sound smart.

Now, if they want to run the ships going the other way, (not that I trust their ability to play straight at this point) toward each other. Like I said, that might be a different kettle of fish. Though, again, these things pull a fast one with travel times and distances by wiggling their eyebrows and saying "Time Dilation!"

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>>55291529
You're not really making your case as not a lunatic, you know. You're still spouting nonsense, but I like to enlighten people, so I will still try to enlighten you on basic relativity. Open your mind, try to forget all the half-assed bullshit you have read on fringe website titled 'GOD AND THE ENERGY' and try to follow me. It's not particularly hard.

SR is built upon two ideas: the speed of c is invariant and finite, and the laws of physics are the same whoever you are.

When you posit only that, you immediately ask yourself: how do I transform coordinates and speeds from a frame of reference to another? I can't simply add the velocity of my frame to what I perceive, because c is invariant. If you can add freely velocities, then the light I emitted on my moving reference frame would go faster than the speed of light in an immobile reference frame.

You start drawing very simple diagrams, using the pythagorean theorem, and you finally find the Lorentz Transformations. Those are very simple equations that allows you to transform coordinates between one reference frame to another, keeping c the same. They are almost trivial to re-derive, and they were indeed proven mathematically to be the only possible set of transformations in an universe where c is finite.

The Lorentz Transformations have many consequences, because t is a variable of those transformations:

* Time slows down as you approach c. Both in and out the reference frame. Inside the ship, the universe's time seems to slow down. Outside the ship, the ship's time seems to slow down. Yes, it's paradoxical. Welcome to relativity!
* The order of events can change between frames. In frame A, the event 1 happened before the event 2. In frame B, the same event 2 happened before the event 1.
* Distances contracts as you approach c.
* Etc.

This isn't tricks of light. This isn't tricks of perception. This is tricks of time.

And one of those tricks is that going faster than c breaks causality.

>>55285794
But laws are mutable. The entire basis of the big bang is that the laws of physics can and do change.

>>55272466
My man.

>>55277948
another satisfying round of "found the engineer"

>>55272466
My Asimovian.

>>55272256
http://multivax.com/last_question.html

LET THERE BE LIGHT

>>55272256
Become self-perpetuating void beings.

>>55290616
>age of man
The only one who tells you that the "Age of Dark" = "Age of Man" is Kaathe.
Kaathe who has screwed humanity over numerous times including:
>Oolacile
>The Ring City
>New Londo
All human cities that fell to the abyss because Kaathe told them to drive their humanity wild.

>>55272866
I think I just had an apostrophe.

>>55296816
It was always a suicide.

For some reason only people with no reading comprehension ever seem to report the sensation of kek merging their timelines.

Funny how that works.

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The End of Time: Endless Darkness. The last stars went out so long ago no one remembers what they were like. Protons have dissolved. Black holes have disappeared in bursts of gamma radiation. Here dwell the Cold Ones: the last intelligent beings in the universe, whose thoughts are measured by the stray background fluctuation of quantum nothingness. Each thought takes a trilion years, but they persist nonetheless―and all they can do is persist, thinking of themselves and their eternal lives. These wretched gods are all that live.
The Cold Ones dream to return to a universe of light and warmth, free from the killing clutches of entropy.

>>55282076
>Asking how to defeat entropy is akin to asking how to defeat width.
Diet and exercise?

Trigger a false vacuum metastability event.

>>55305378
>The possibility that we are living in a false vacuum has never been a cheering one to contemplate. Vacuum decay is the ultimate ecological catastrophe; in the new vacuum there are new constants of nature; after vacuum decay, not only is life as we know it impossible, so is chemistry as we know it. However, one could always draw stoic comfort from the possibility that perhaps in the course of time the new vacuum would sustain, if not life as we know it, at least some structures capable of knowing joy. This possibility has now been eliminated.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_vacuum#Vacuum_metastability_event

>>55305378
How about you go eat a big dark matter dick.

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>>55290896
Dont sorry you Get there in the end.

>>55306243
Kek

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>>55272256
>The purpose of humankind - the first intelligence of all - had been to reshape the universe in order to bud others and create a storm of mind. We got it wrong, he thought. By striving for a meaningless eternity, humans denied true infinity. But we reached back, back in time, back to the far upstream, and spoke to our last children - the maligned Blues - and we put it right. This is what it meant to be alone in the universe, to be the first. We had all of infinite time and space in our hands. We had ultimate responsibility. And we discharged it. We were parents of the universe, not its children.

Manifold:Time holds the answer.

>>55272520
Strive for your next breath. Believe that with it you can do more than with the last one. Use your breath to power your capacities: capacity to kill, to maim, to destroy.

And just where do your capacities come from? Why do you always go where I want and do what I say?

Perhaps you're just running a fool's errand, doing everything as I've planned, never able to change your course. You would do well to believe that I know the outcome of your battle with the Pfhor already, just as I can decipher the chaotic motion of gas molecules in the clouds of Tau Ceti IV.

Or, perhaps, that is not the case.

Perhaps, you are doing what you were meant to do. Your human mentality screams for vengeance and thrives on the violence that you say you can hardly endure. Your father told you as a child to always fight with honor, but to always fight. Do you care about honor, or do you use honor as an excuse? An excuse to exist in a violent world.

Organic beings are constantly fighting for life. Every breath, every motion brings you one instant closer to your death. With that kind of heritage and destiny, how can you deny yourself? How can you expect yourself to give up violence?

It is your nature.

Do you feel free?"

>>55296816
>>55296771
>>55273188
No that's not possible, he was shot by a sniper.

>>55272256

Quantum Void Autism ignited with the fifth force of the Universe (Memetic force).

>>55290671
Because as much as I loved them, I sucked at them and never could beat the campaign. No bully

>>55303838
Yeah, I've always known it was 'Berenstain' and pronounced differently than it was spelled, just like I've always known the books were shit and any parent who bought them was a bad parent.

>>55310586
there have been many hints that all bungie games have taken place in the same universe.

Hell theres a bit that mentions marathon man in the first destiny game.

>>55297313
I dunno, I find something darkly comedic about some poor, tired Blue finally realizing that they've found out a way out - freedom and escape, at last! And then, right as he's about to share that knowledge, to better the lives of not just all Blues but indirectly the Reds and probably the Yellow - he's killed, dooming not just his comrades but everyone else in the city to another eternity of dying for nothing.

>>55310119
technically that's still true
just with the caveat that he was the sniper that shot himself

Doesnt Dark Energy violate entropy? It seems also seems that some quantum interactions dont follow thermodynamics.

>>55303403
Say it, don't spray it

>>55275780

Only proves my point

>>55272256
We awaken the primordial God of Chaos, abolishing all laws both of man and of nature, including the 2nd law of thermodynamics.

ageru

>>55281030
Entropy is conducting an experiment to see if a universe will kill it's self out of spite.

>>55273710
You wot?

>>55275269
What? It's a Chinese conspiracy?

>>55272256
We eat it.

Distance is the great enemy.

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Giant mech

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TIME TO DIE

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>>55289754
>https://imgur.com/gallery/9KWrH
Not that anon, but there is more blind faith, dogma, and hubris in modern science than in any other religion. Science is a process, not a result; a journey, not an ending. Scientism has been pushed as just another faith.

>>55273052
Probably the only good answer.

>>55272256
siphon energy/matter from other universes.

>>55284218
The universe doesn't have any boundaries (well, besides the big bang and heat death >>55282076
). Like a sphere, it is boundless but finite. If you were to discount the C speed limit and go in a straight line you would end up in the same spot. If the universe was the size of a room you would see yourself a distance away like looking in two facing mirrors.

>>55287619
Einstein's work–stolen almost completely from others–has only been maintained due to his Jewishness. This guy's work, however, is a serious contender for the complete eradication of it. https://phys.org/news/2016-11-theory-gravity-dark.html
>>55318539
>I believe in thermodynamics
>but also global warming
>aren't i smart

>>55272256
We wait it out.

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>>55274035

>Muh intelligent comic
>Nobody gives superman credit for powering the earth

CV is everything brothers. Else you nmight aswell lay in a fucking gutter and die since you fucking suck at life
This message was brought to you by an overbearing friend that lives in normal society and isn't the "woke" fag you are who spents all his hours on 4chan

>>55272256
Well, if Japan is to be believed, we need to torture school children.

>>55331121
>https://phys.org/news/2016-11-theory-gravity-dark.html
has he been peer-reviewed yet?

>>55278144
>He thinks space is flat.
>He doesn't buy the donut theory.
Space is a toroid and only God can tell me otherwise.

>>55279028
>slowing it down
>it gets worse and worse each time
>eventually things suck so bad nobody cares to slow it down
>then you speed it up so you can hold hands with your waifu in the dark
Best timeline.

>>55303126
Not really. Dark Souls is at its heart a tale of the Tao and balance, with Kaathe and the dragons representing that eternal stasis. And the Titans of Greek Myth. Greek Myth is sort of bolted on, and you can map people in the series to figures from the greek pantheon or legends, as well as items and nations.

> absolute speeds of the messages

Not a meaningful statement, unless you found the One True Inertial Frame Of Reference and haven't taken your huge pile of nobel prizes yet.

You have no idea what you're talking about, and probably don't even understand galilean relativity.

>>55293199
Correct, you don't get the results relativity gives when you ignore it. That sounds silly but it's pretty much that simple.

>>55296737
General relativity applies to accelerated frames of reference. It's pretty easy to solve the twins paradox with GR.

Anyway, you can probably just use Poincare Recurrence to wait out entropy, if you can last the ~10^120 billion years needed for the universe to reboot. That's probably impossible, but the light of civilization can die out knowing that after a very long, but ultimately meaningless amount of time it will be lit again.

Gotta say,
>Jooz did entropy
is a new one for me.

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>>55332635
https://www.wikiwand.com/en/Deutsche_Physik

You're welcome, anon. Enjoy your trip down the rabbit hole. There are some more esoteric theories by those scientists who basically trot out old scandinavian myths and try to bolt them onto physics, if you look.

>>55332665
Was familiar with Deutsche Physik, just not the idea of heat death in particular as a Jewish plot.
Also kinda funny when you consider that Aasimov was Jewish.

>>55332665
>People still wonder why the Nazis lost the fucking war.

>>55331883
I believe so, not that that matters in any way.
https://archive.is/UCNZf
https://archive.is/C7ydZ
https://archive.is/1dxem
https://hotair.com/archives/2017/07/25/author-fools-peer-reviewed-journals-paper-midi-chlorians/

The biggest problem with his work right now is an inability to test it without multi-million dollar investment. And all that money is going to Einstein-based research instead. I foresee this being a fight on the order of the plate tectonics movement. It will be decades before anyone is able to break jewish influence enough to test.
>>55335777
>ha ha wow allied propaganda sure is fact
>ha ha our enemies were dumb lol i say so no wonder we won
For fuck's sake, is this the best you can do?

>>55335848
>I can argue with outcomes if I call them enemy propaganda.
>Nobody will ever think I look silly when I do this.
>I can win a war even if everyone thinks I look really silly.

One of these is true.

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>>55335848
>>55331121
I think you are on the wrong board. If you want talk about a jewish conspiracy in science you better go to /pol/.

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>>55273052
The Technocore from Hyperion Cantos says Hello.

>>55312170
Dark Energy doesn't vioöate entropy, it even enhances its effect.

>>55336322
>edgy
Seems like youve got cognitive dissonance.

The liberals (socialists) are the edglords what with their 72 genders... oh wait are you suggesting the edgyness is equal on both sides?

How hilarious.

Signed:
- a non nazi

>>55337259

It violates thermodynamics.

>>55272256
Just light a fire, senpai. Universe never seems as cold that way

>>55337520
>Just light a fire, senpai.
http://www.gutenberg.org/files/51461/51461-h/51461-h.htm

>>55337456
How?
I don't see why it would.

>>55337654

Conservation of energy. More and more Dark Energy is being made out of nothing.

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>>55337312
I'm not trying to start a discussion with you. If you want to talk about politics or conspiracies go to /pol/.

>>55337674
How do you know it's being made from nothing?

>>55337729

In order to remain an universal constant in the equations, the universe must maintain its density of dark energy. To do so, more and more must be created at infinitum.

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>>55272256
With the power of love, friendship, and hard work.

I mean, fuck, we've tried everything else.

>>55286969

Homura ascended to Devilhood and spiritually raped Kyubey's entire species into subjugation.

>>55277504
Kek

>>55337558
Good read. Thanks, anon.

>>55340119
Still less than they/it deserve/s.

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>>55272367

>>55337686
>>55336322
why do anti white cucks want a safespace?

>>55341567
Because you asked for one first.

>>55341604
I only saw anti white leftist subhumans like you crying for ac safespace

>>55341690
Dude your whole ideology is that you want the whole fucking country to be safe space from people with differing levels of melanin or who view your imaginary friend in a slightly different way.

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>>55341741
>Dude your whole ideology is that you want the whole fucking country to be safe space from people with differing levels of melanin
says the subhuman cuck who wants to kill all white people for not being subservient self hating cucks like yourself

why should I hate my now race, subhuman?

Guys, guys, you both are disgusting creatures barely worth being allowed to live. Let's stop this sub-discussion and focus again on the main topic, which is the permanent reduction in intrauniversal entropy.

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>>55272256
Be what if we are the entropy anons? Mankind becomes that which it feared and tried to stop.

>>55341990
Given that it's clear that humans cannot come up with a solution to entropy, and will only devolve into increasingly asinine arguments with each other, I propose that we instead let our robot overlords deal with it.

Who's with me?

>>55342222
First: nice quads
Second: Who says that the robot overlords won't enter increasingly asinine arguments themselves?

>>55342222
Those quads don't lie. All hail the robot overlords!

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Let's get the fuck out of here when time is right.

>>55341690
Are you sure you aren't just looking at your own reflection in a fucking mirror?

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>>55342995
>Are you sure you aren't just looking at your own reflection in a fucking mirror?
t. butthurt leftist subhuman

>>55342222
Checked. Robot overlords it is.

>>55293618
>1) completely isolate a big chunk of space from the rest of the universe
>2) bring entropy of this isolated space to it's maximum
>3) a smaller version of big bang occurs inside this space
>4) total entropy in the universe is now higher
its a closed system, so while the entropy within the system would be lower, it doesnt extrapolate to the rest of the universe. additionally, an arbitrarily sized closed system with minimum entropy isn't guaranteed to cause a "smaller version of big bang", and would require either energy from outside the closed system (and hence contradict "closed system") to decrease entropy to a minimum, or a method to reverse entropy within a closed system, which is the already unsolvable (as of yet) problem we have so far given the second law of thermodynamics

also, i think you mixed up decreasing/increasing entropy

>>55286870
>And FTL is causality breaking.
Explain how. I'm curious.

>>55332266
>Anyway, you can probably just use Poincare Recurrence to wait out entropy, if you can last the ~10^120 billion years needed for the universe to reboot
Theres no guarantee Poincare Recurrence applies to our universe, because we haven't yet shown whether the universe will continue to expand indefinitely at a >= constant rate, whether the expansion rate will approach 0, or whether the universe will contract. There is one proof showing that the expansion rate will continue indefinitely (>99% probability), so its unlikely given our current understanding of the universe for poincarre recurrence to be applicable

>>55272302
Dyson spheres are the most implausible and absurd thing to come out of scifi. They make no sense whatsoever.

>>55338146
Budding physicist here; I can't pretend to understand what I'm about to say; I'm parroting teachers:

There's evidence to suggest that the universe is undergoing a phase transition, like the point between boiling water being a liquid and a gas, and that could help explain some of the wonky nonsensical stuff we observe out in the expanse.

Gravitational waves were one of the predicitions of a phase transition that recently got confirmed, so there's supporting evidence for the theory.

>>55338146
>>55337729
>>55345168
not even a physics undergrad but couldnt this also be interpreted as a contradiction of current theory, or a suggestion there is something we have yet to account for?

>>55341809
If you're stupid enough to believe in a "white race" or a "black race" in the first place, you should do the world a favor and off yourself. Alternatively, you could try learning some elementary genetics and history, but since you're rather demonstrably mentally handicapped, I don't really hold out high hopes. Kindly end your life in the nearest puddle.

>>55345458
>elementary genetics
like susceptibility to sickle cell anemia? or what happens when you use a black bone marrow transplant for a white recipient? or what causes physiological characteristics such as skin color, height, etc?

if you believe in evolution, then it only stands to reason that two populations evolving in different environments are going to evolve to adapt to these environments in different ways, resulting in a set of distinct physiological and psychological characteristics, and that since these populations developed in isolation for such a long period of time, these effects would accumulate resulting in two divergent populations causing the emergence of two distinct populations with characteristics similar within the group and yet dissimilar with other groups. classifying these populations is the next natural step, granted, its one which requires great care to ensure rigorousness.

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>>55272256
That's easy. Just dodge his shots (double jumping works pretty good) then jump over the laser beams. Then he slams his fork and makes a bridge. You just jump over to him and spin him. The only hard part is not falling on the way.

>>55345572
>>55345458
You're both too extreme.

Humans were geographically isolated for some millenia. In that time, genetic variations naturally occurred. But we can still breed with each other, and there was never any evolutionary pressure that would have made one group or another more intelligent or stronger overall.
Furthermore, while populations were isolated, there was still contact around the geographic "edges."
So really, it's more like genetic gradients between these groups.

These days, of course, the geographic barriers are rapidly disappearing, and populations have begun interbreeding once again. I don't see why anyone cares; someone's behavior has at least as much to do with their upbringing as their genetics, if not more.

>>55345736
>You're both too extreme.
>Humans were geographically isolated for some millenia. In that time, genetic variations naturally occurred. But we can still breed with each other, and there was never any evolutionary pressure that would have made one group or another more intelligent or stronger overall.
>Furthermore, while populations were isolated, there was still contact around the geographic "edges."
>So really, it's more like genetic gradients between these groups.
I'm the former, and no, I'm not being extreme, and besides that statement, nothing we've said is contradictory...

>>55345853
Then I should clarify my statement.

On a medical level, perhaps some classification is warranted. But there's no reason to bother with extreme rigor or for anyone to even really care about it at all.

>>55345728
Whoa

>>55275761
Actually Valhalla and the Einherjar are an attempt by Odin to escape his fate. The universe was always going to be destroyed by the Jotun, like it had been countless times before and countless times after wards.

Everything begins with the chaos and so everything returns to it.

>>55345572
>two populations
>two
Exhibit a, moron thinks "black" and "white" are two unitary, wholly distinct groups.
If you think an Irishman, a Russian Slav, a Roman Italian, a Spaniard, and a Finn all belong to a single grand "white" genotype, or that an 'African-American' guy descended from a bunch of West African slaves, a San tribesman, an Ethiopean, and a Bantu can all be accurately labeled as just "black", you really are too dumb to be part of this conversation.

>>55277858
Andromeda is coming. Andromeda Hungers.

>>55337654
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TxWN8AhNER0

Don't know if this is an actual thing or not. But I didn't know that we actually knew Antimatter existed till a couple days ago so what do I know.

Just stop using so many tropes and we won't run out of new things

>>55345168

It's plausible. Most Astronomers strongly believe that there was such a previous phase known as inflation, a short-lived period characterized by faster-than-light following the Big Bang. The theory of Inflation came up as solution of various problems presented by the observing universe like the flatness problem and the horizon problem. If it is true, we don't know why it ever stopped or how it worked at all. Who knows if some new phase await us in the future?

>>55345025

They're by far one of the most realistic 'end goals' of civilizations.

If you're thinking solid shell style spheres, then yeah. Those're stupid, and even Dyson didn't envision them in that way. I know a lot of people who use Dyson Swarm nowadays because of it.

>>55345889
>But there's no reason to bother with extreme rigor or for anyone to even really care about it at all.
In your opinion, anyway.

>>55345996
>Exhibit a, moron thinks "black" and "white" are two unitary, wholly distinct groups.
No, you assumed thats what I think. You know what they say about assumptions. In fact, your entire post is just assumptions.

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>>55345458
>If you're stupid enough to believe in a "white race" or a "black race" in the first place, you should do the world a favor and off yourself. Alternatively, you could try learning some elementary genetics and history, but since you're rather demonstrably mentally handicapped, I don't really hold out high hopes. Kindly end your life in the nearest puddle.
t. brainwashed leftist cuck