New Magic Online Card Game Reveal

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>>55269865
I thought its a digital service like Battle Net where you can play MTGO, the New MMO, and the replacement for duels?

>>55269865
I just want the mtg with pokemon tcg client that will be alive for more than a fuckin year or two

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I'm not expecting anything and I'm still going to be let down.

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>>55269898
No, it refers specifically to the new digital card game.

How will you feel if they remove lands from the game?

>>55269865
16 mins to go!

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>>55269865

>>55274040
>4 players = commander or 2 headed giant

>>55274113
Commander is so fucking boring.

>>55269865

MILLIONS

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>>55274136
uh, you don't get to bring blue

>>55269865
Said Duels wouldn't go beyond Amonhket, so I guess it's going to be a replacement?

>>55269865

NEW CARDS

>Gaby Sparts
>One of the most recognizable personalities in the MTG community
Pick one.

DECKS CONFIRMED

Why did they pick the most generic name possible, that is already used by multiple other things?

>>55274172
yes

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>show pre-alpha footage
>tell fans to sign up for beta testing

Oh shit Jimmy Wong, love me some Command Zone.

>>55274191
LSV is a lucky guy.

FEMALE PLAYS FEMALE PIRATES

inb4 nerdrage

I wanna lick Gabby's fermented ass after playing long sessions of Magic with her.

>wotc in charge of digital products

>>55269865
>expecting Wizards to do anything other than dropping the ball

god these fucking sound effects are obnoxious

This is awful to spectate.

so it's MTG with a hearthstone like client?

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even the logo is pixelated

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>>55274161
*laughs at you in counterspells*

it just looks like fucking hearthstone

seriously, couldve been that hard to make a good version of magic 2014?

wait

wait wait wait

phases steps are GONE?

>>55269898
why would a MMO be reduced to PvP? The tumblr cucks that are their new fanbase would cry about discrimination because their PoC-Deck fails against burn

>>55274296
it doesn't even look very good compared to hearthstone. ugh

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>The focus of MTG Arena will be on the newest cards and game modes. Because of this, Magic Online—which has a library of nearly every card ever printed from the game's entire history—will continue to offer unique experiences to players.
into the trash it goes

>playing magic with only the newest cards

jesus christ, talk about missing the point of magic

>>55274327
How do they keep fucking this up? How?

Well, I know I'll at least be able to fap to Liliana's VA in the next printing.

>>55274345
>not playing different formats
jesus christ, talk about missing the point of magic

But seriously, this game isn't meant to replace the tabletop, but supplement it
They're not going to create anything on the level of Magic online for quite a while, if at all.

>>55274345
Hey, fan-favorite Samut is in

>>55274398
guess they're gonna be stuck in the 90's

BING BING. WAHOO. WHOOSH

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Nothing to see here.

Just duels. Whooo.

i just hope this is good enough that i can convince my friends to try it out, because nobody is going to dive into MTGO.

>>55274398
Standard is only as popular because it's cheap(expensive maintence though) and WotC keeps pushing it. People want to play Modern or Commander, Legacy and Pauper also have decent support campared to Standard. It's not smart to keep pushing such unpopular format.

>>55274294
>rewind
cmon son

Functional reprint of Gaea's Cradle was spoiled on the stream. Nice.

There is the minor advantage of them revealing new cards in Ixalan this way.

They just showed off a Legendary Enchantment that, when it flips, it turns into a Gaea's Cradle-like land.

>>55274451
>draft

well atleast that's something

hope they add commander or 2hg but i doubt it

>>55274505
How to flip it?

>>55274398
They need a replacement for magic online so bad.
It's the only system available to many people who want to play at a competitive level, or in many cases, at all.

Honestly, if the game has full GRE - which based on what the lead developer said, it does - and they want to add more cards to it with every new Standard set, eventually people are just going to start asking for them to add in the older cards.

And then they're going to want to provide support for Modern, Commander, Legacy, Vintage, and Pauper.

It's not going to happen right away, but right now we're getting a very early look at what the new MTGO client is going to be.

wow, that's a lot of instants being used

>>55274544
Magic Online makes a massive amount of money each day.

>>55274539
If you control 4 or more creatures.

>>55274539
Control 5 critters. It's a 3 mana enchant.

If anything Modern elves are its chance. Or Frontier Elves but that's gay.

>>55274539
Control 4 or more creatures by the beginning of your end step.

>>55274398
>They're not going to create anything on the level of Magic online for quite a while, if at all.

>put in all cards into magic arena
>give mtgo players option to transfer their collection to arena

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NuGaea's Cradle!

>>55274554
I'd be totally onboard if 4 player commander is possible.
I wonder what the limits are? Can it handle multistep infinites?

If people didn't want to play duels, what makes WotC think they'd play this?

>>55274554
It is just duels again. Why would it be anything else? They're just trying to remarket it.

It looks like duels, it plays like duels.

>>55274565
Yeah, by people who already know how to use it, draft practice, and GP/tournament practice.
The interface is fucking ghastly, not to mention it's buggy as fuck since they haven't changed core components since it first released. The amount of hacks keeping it together must be staggering.

>>55274554
They went the hard way and gave all non-land cards unique sounds or VAs. Imagine how hard it'd be to record thousands of lines for all the cards that exist.

>blue deck
>no instants

>>55274451
>draft

Sold!

>>55274554
>standard magic
I'm not playing that shit

>>55274454

Man, that just sounds like you live in an echo chamber.

And like... don't understand how easy it is to solve eternal formats.

It's just a fucking Duels reskin. Fucking wow.

>>55274618
If you just record lines for the Planeswalkers alone that'd probably be enough, and just use generic lines for every other creature, even the legendary ones.

>>55274636
>>55274604

But why? Why not just call it duels 2017?
Everybody with an IQ above 20 will see that is another Duels (with Arena/Draft).

>>55274662
They didn't want to pay to the company that developed duels.

>>55274662
harder to make people excited if it was called that?

>>55274662
That's what remarketing means.

>>55274618
That shit is annoying. Just slows the game down.
Duels also had the problem where the games took fucking forever for no reason, yet your time to react to shit going on was almost nil.

>>55274454
WotC keeps pushing it because that's how they sell new product. It's worrying how few people understand WotC is a business and they aren't going to make any money if people aren't buying new packs.

A rotating format also ensures you have a meta that's constantly changing. Modern has a handful of tier decks that rotate around in some dumbass game of grab-ass. The meta is essentially the same now as it was a year ago, two years ago, and so on.
Legacy is even worse in that regard.
Pauper has like a 100 pool of viable cards.
Commander is a shitshow where you can technically have a lot of variety, but there's only a handful of really decent wincons, so all the decks aim for them.

>>55274646
They gave every dino a different roar.

So what was WOTC's falling out with stainless steel games? I actually had a lot of fun stomping the computer over and over in Duels.

>>55274729
They probably thought "Hey people play these games, but we're paying too much money for them to do an okay job. Now we can do a shitty job ourselves for even less!"

>>55274759
>we're paying too much money for them to do an okay job
Okay job is still too high a praise. The Stainless games didn't even have fucking layers.

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""""FREE 2 PLAY""""

at least its free

This better at least have full sets instead of that Duels shit where you only got like 40% of a new set.

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>>55274798
free2play, free2suffer
Also means you aren't going to be able to just build decks you want to play, no, you have to open packs. So, there goes all my interest.

>>55274820
According to press release they want to add in every new set to Arena and have Standard rotations occur at the same time as the real card game.

>>55274820
They also had retarded deck building restrictions

Wait, more digital products coming? Shandalar 2 confirmed?

>full control mode so i can go turboautist mode

>I'm gonna love going draw-go

So who is this video game for?

Its not the new player, cuz they like powering up their new deck a la the planeswalker intro decks

Its not for the enfranchised player because they already own more cards than they know what to do with.

Is this for the super casual player who flirts with paper magic? Seriously I dont get who this is marketed to...

>>55274867
Hopefully digital projects can go back to planes like Ulgrotha or Kamigawa that are unlikely to appear in expansions

>>55274863
what are the deck building restrictions in this one?

No trading confirmed.

>>55274919
>what are the deck building restrictions in this one?

there are none

>>55274919
I was just saying that Duels, at least the ones that I played, only let you use 2 of each rare

>>55274920
Of course. Trading would ruin the f2p model because you can just make dupe accounts and trade with yourself.

>>55274920
Hope people enjoy buying boxes and boxes worth of packs in order to build a typical constructed deck.
Super.

>>55274901
Antisocial players who don't enjoy the idea of playing in person but want to play Magic online.
Players who play Hearthstone but might want to migrate away from it to Magic.
Players who play Magic in person but are in a position where they can't currently play and don't have a MTGO account, so they play this instead.

I can't think of any others.

>>55274867
i actually wanted to learn RPGmaker so i could make my own shandalar sequel. i even autistically went through all the cards since 8th edition and put together a list of the cards i'd put in the game.

>>55274958
for people who are bored in the toilet

>>55274901
WotC have said that it's supposed to bridge the gap between Duels and MTGO. I imagine that Arena is quite good for a new-ish player looking to get into standard and drafting.

>>55274296
Hearthstone is the most successful digital ccg and the ccg market is 70% digital.

You would have to be insane to not try to do something like that.

Just like after the iPhone came out other cell companies made smartphones.

>>55274901
Enfranchised players are all on MTGO because it's the only place you can practice drafts whenever you want and play the heaps of constructed games you need to get in before you even think about going to a GP.

>>55274454
Standard is the most popular sanctioned format by a wide margin

>>55274901
It's for standard players who don't play on MTGO
It's for people who want a more intuitive online client
It's for attracting Hearthstone/Eternal players

>>55274901
Players like me who only ever play on FNM and would like to draft more than once a week without having to pay out of the nose for it.

>legacy, vintage and modern players getting dumpstered

i really hope you're all liquidating your mtgo collections right about now

I can draft without having to go into a store and deal with MTG players in person? Sure.

>>55275022
Arena is going to be standard cards only. Non-rotating formats, cube and flashback drafts will live on.

>>55275022
the only crossover Arena is going to take from the MTGO demographic are the limited players and some standard ones.

The benefit of MTGO is that you can always just resell your cards for tix/money. Arena like HS will be a money sink.

WTF NO PROMO CODE?!!!

>>55275053
In MTGO you can just buy the cards you want for constructed. With Arena's F2P model, you can only buy packs - no trading.
So if you want to play a real standard constructed deck, you are going to have to pay out the ass for hundreds of boosters.

>>55274662
Its Dueld replacement and made by a totally different company and different platform

I wish I had never heard Maro speak.

MAGIC THE HEARTHSTONE

AHAHAHAHHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHA

AMI RITE?

>>55275092
Me too. That was embarrassing

>hey guiz we have another new soft reboot of our online presence
>this time it'll totally work, we promise
lmao, JUST

>>55275072
They better make a very intuitive and efficient dusting/crafting system them because an arena deck will cost more than IRL

Will I be able to watch the whole stream later?

easiest way for them to get players into Arena will be to put promo codes in real packs to redeem in Arena like pokemon. If they don't do that then this game is dead.

>>55274586
>strictly better gaea's cradle
what were they thinking?

>>55275051
>Arena is going to be standard cards only.

what happens to arena when ixalan rotates out?
heartstone came out in 2014

>>55275147
you still have to flip it

>>55274412
Top quality post

>>55275125
you can... but why

hey wizards: instead of making more short-lived digital experiences like this, based around your current fotm standard set, why not release back-catalog content? I'd pay $20 for mtgarena if it'd let me draft og ravnica or lorwyn or zendikar blocks with friends, maybe more.

>>55275201
Nosy little shit aren't you
Because I'm on my break and can't watch it right now

>>55275203
the best part about doing this is you're providing an experience that is virtually impossible to provide in paper magic; boxes of ravnica and worldwake are now prohibitively expensive to draft.

>>55275203
They had flashback Ravnica drafts on Modo a few weeks ago.

>>55275203

that's what MTGO is for. WotC isn't going to release cards that are over 10 years old.

>>55275203
that's not how making money works

>>55275221
>prohibitively expensive
is that the sound of a cash register?

>>55275221
You can still do e-drafts.

ITT: Salty modern and legacy players.
More seriously, this game is clearly catered towards the new wave of card game players that Hearthstone created.
Older card designs would scare away, if not anger most of these players.
They won't put the time and money necessary to add all the old cards as long as MTGO remains profitable.

>>55275203
Because it takes a shit-ton of time to put in sets so they'd rather put in sets that people are going to play in the only sanctioned format, Standard.

Adding an old set just for draft would be a massive investment for little gain.

>>55275221
Not only that, but the only way to obtain them is the secondary market, so wizards can't make money off of them anymore. I'd pay a dollar or two to draft Alara block again, or older sets I never got to experience. Too bad WotC loves shooting themselves in the foot so much.

>>55275282
Some of the new card designs anger me

>>55274586
How much will this end up being /tg/?

I wish they would embrace EDH/Commander and Cube more.

Standard has been to shit to pay attention to, so alot of my friends have moved on, most years ago.

>>55275273
>>55275282
Well then how about they update MTGO to not be ass?

>>55275276
>implying wizards wouldn't make a shitton of money of selling digital boosters of 10 year old sets

>>55274901
The CCG market. As someone who came to card games from an electronic standpoint, there really is nothing quite like Magic out there. A large portion of them are designed around limited card types/class features that automatically pigeonhole them for the sake of development ease, and then flounder drastically and create artificial design space once expansions roll out. It's happening to Hearthstone right now with Hero cards being used to push Knights of the Frozen Throne, and almost no cards built around Hero card interactions being present, just like what happened with Quests. If Magic can hit the CCG market hard enough and fast enough, they could EASILY consume a massive number of smaller games and establish an entirely new playerbase.

I wonder what's happening in mtgo markets right now. Must be fun.

>>55275357
they would make more money using a hearthstone equivalent online platform pushing their new standard sets.

no one gives a shit about sets that came out over a decade ago but a small amount of people.

>>55275398
>they would make more money using a hearthstone equivalent online platform pushing their new standard sets.

why not both?

>>55274491
I loved it in rav as izzet

It will obviously have a card crafting/destruction system like all its competitors, anyone pretending you'll have to open hundreds of packs to build a deck is a moron.

But this means it will have the same problem as Eternal, where the stuff you get from drafting can't actually be converted back into a new Draft entry.

So if you don't want to be grinding 'free to play!" events/AI battles/etc for an hour, any Draft that costs more than $4 is actually not cheaper than MTGO.

>>55275349
Mtgo's main problem is business model. Everything costs too much bevause of card redemption. They can't just make everything free.

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So... how long until they shut down Magic Arena me to make a new version of it and restart the cycle?

>>55275349
The kind of players who both love older formats and play MTGO are willing to spend so much money to play, that WotC doesn't even need to try to please them.
And at this point, they will keep making as much money off of MTGO as possible until eventually letting it die when it has been milked dry.

>>55275370
The CCG market doesn't want an authentic Magic experience. They want to have a fun game that's easy to play. This won't do any better than duels did because Wizards keeps repeating their old mistakes. MTGO players don't want to play it because it's standard-only, the Hearthstone audience doesn't want to play it because it's clunky and boring to watch.

>>55275431
Why waste development costs on something that appeals to what would be less than 2% of the player-base? WotC gets nothing from interesting players in older cards - it doesn't produce them anymore except through reprints. So if a player plays this theoretical version of MTGA which has older cards and decides "I want to make a real deck based on these old cards," all he does is funnel money into the secondary market and not a dime makes it to WotC.

And no, WotC isn't going to waste six digits on pointing players in the direction of the secondary market.

>>55275431
because that requires spending more money on adding older (more complicated) cards into Arena and making sure they all function correctly. Then money spent to advertise antiquated cards/sets and why everyone should buy them. It's all a waste of money for very low upside for profit since the number of people who give a shit about RDG or INNx3 pale in comparison to the Hearthstone/Standard crowd.

>>55275481
At best it'll probably screw over Eternal

>>55275488
>>55275491
enjoy your 279 cards in total card game.

lets just ignore the multitude of 3rd party mtg clients that's popping up because of the simple fact that they want to play modern format on a modern platform

>>55275511

Eternal doesn't really need screwing over.

It doesn't even have a page on wikipedia lol

>>55275281
That's what he's asking for, e-drafts of sets that people miss or never got to experience. It's not a bad idea.

>>55275539
Why would WotC promote formats that it doesn't make money off of?

>>55275539
>lets just ignore the multitude of 3rd party mtg clients that's popping up because of the simple fact that they want to play modern format on a modern platform

...they're all worse than MTGO.

And that's saying something. The motivation for those clients is not "playing on a modern platform", it's "playing for free".

>>55275573
Eternal died when the first round of nerfs proved they had no idea what they were doing

>>55274285
you know, I know its my fault for being so dumb.
But it rub the the wrong way seeing thouse "tap" permanents, being just slighly tilted, instead of being tapped....
why, so you dont confuse the player with cards being sideways?

i guess is just "get use to it"

>>55275539
>>55275539
You know when Ixalan comes and Zendikar + Innistrad rotates out, Standard will still have over 1000 cards in it.

>>55275221
>>55275574

Uh, yeah. It's called Flashback Draft.

They're constantly running on MTGO.

>>55275574
How does it make WotC money outside of the game, when the game is meant to lure people into playing paper MtG?

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>>55275481
>Better interface
>Sounds and animations
>Multiple different battlefields
>Smoother gameplay
It's much better than duels, and much more enjoyable to look at too.

The only thing I worry about is them killing off their own hype like Hex did. Closed betas are good if the game is being streamed and the beta doesn't last too long, but if the stars don't align you end up with pic related.

>>55275621
>How does it make WotC money outside of the game, when the game is meant to lure people into playing paper MtG?

it's not

>>55275603
Eternal died when 80% of games were decided by manascrew/flood. Their shuffler is broken as fuck.

>>55275481
You say that, but both Hearthstone and Faeria have lost massive amounts of their playerbases due to not considering the competitive side of their games. There is an overwhelming pressure to compete within these games due to the F2P model offering rewards for high rankings/win streaks, and it's attracted a swath of people looking for a challenge. The best Hearthstone has is an annual tournament that is universally lambasted by its community for lack of sideboards and random events screwing matches, the most famous of these being a Yogg-Saron play that won a player a match through literal randomness, and last year's championship being decided by three coinflips. People are sick and tired of not having a competently designed competitive environment within CCGs, and Arena looks to be promising exactly that with both casual constructed play and a competitive ranking system.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tJdKYL_ylR0

Skip to 1:53 and see what "competitive" card games are like on the CCG market currently. If Arena can hit the market the way they want it to, it could eclipse the entire market.

>>55275645
Okay then, if it's supposedly not meant to make people interested in paper MtG, then why would people not interested in paper MtG be interested in playing with cards from ancient paper MtG?

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>>55275690
>then why would people not interested in paper MtG be interested in playing with cards from ancient paper MtG?

Because they're cool

>>55275690
Because those cards would be new to them, and therefore exciting.

>>55275683
Hearthstone didn't draw in millions of players because of how competitive they are. It did because it's Blizzard, the Disney of videogames drawing in casual with lots of polish and their own hype brigade of streamers. The competitive scene is very vocal but ultimately makes up like 25% of the playerbase at most. The majority of players are fucking normies playing it on the shitter for a few minutes a day.

>>55275624

well it looks like they're trying to get in some big hearthstone players to try out the game. Amaz is pretty big, but WotC already lost Kibler and he's exploded in popularity since hearthstone. WotC will need to get people like Krip, Trump and some of the EU players if they want to chip away at hearthstone stream numbers.

>>55275762
>>55275765
But why would WotC not instead give them new cards that are also new to players that play paper MtG already? Cards that would actually make WotC money if MTGA players got interested in paper MTG?

>>55275829

You mean like Ixalan cards? Which is exactly what Wizards is doing. Keeping the game in standard means you can easily switch from Arena to real life Magic with almost no issues, and new cards release every 3 months.

>>55275829
>Cards that would actually make WotC money if MTGA players

Wouldn't they already have made money on mtga players buying boosters from old sets? why would someone who plays mtga ever go out of their way to buy physical damaged copies of cards they already own in digital form in magic arena

>>55275781
I didn't say casual appeal wasn't a part of the marketing, but the competitive side of Hearthstone is larger than you might think, especially in the aftermath of the celebrity culture the game has spawned. Casual players also don't spend money because they view it as a fun little time-waster. Once the serious side wakes up to the realization that the OG trading card game is offering a F2P online platform that doesn't suck ass and has a ranking system, they will flock to it and gladly shell out.

>>55275798
I expect that they'll do some big pushes towards getting as many streamers as they can. HS streamers have already been looking to do other shit now that they've got solid viewerbases, and they'll bite the hook if it means they can tap into Magic's much larger community.

>>55275858
Which is precisely what I'm saying. By focusing on coding in standard cards, they're focusing on cards that are new to all players and cards that would make WotC money if MTGA players started playing paper Magic. If they divert their resources to coding in ten-year-old cards that they no longer sell, they're wasting resources on advertising cards that can only be found in the secondary market and in reprints.

One is a smart business decision, one is not. It is obvious why WotC would not pursue the dumb business decision, considering that they are a business.

>>55275871
Because they gain an interest in actually playing those decks in real life with their friends. WotC's online clients have always been intended to be gateway drugs, designed to lure people into paper MtG.

Besides, I think they've got their hands full with coding Standard cards and creating animations for them as it is, I don't think they're interested in using their resources to introduce players to old cards.

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So this game is basically for "fun" and (casual/not very rich) draft players only?


Do we at least get Planechase, 4 player FFA or Archenemy?

>>55275984
If the game does some sort of credit farnubg system for boosters that isn't so fucking slow I might install it.

So it's Magic 2018: Duels: Arena 3.0

Thanks for once again delivering a literal pile of shit and proving you are completely out of your fucking element WotC.

Can't wait for your shit company to die.

>>55276014
You sound angry, anon. Why are you emotionally invested in this to the point where you would wish bankruptcy upon this company?

>>55276035
>why are you emotionally invested in a game which you've been playing since you were 10 years old

I don't know

>>55276064

.... That would explain you wanting WotC to do better, not that you would want then dead.

>>55276064
>game has been letting people down for years
>not moving on to something else and let it die or live

Yes, you are pretty dumb.

>>55276088
Maybe WotC has burned him one too many times.

>>55276064
So why do you want a company that is producing the game you have been playing since you were 10 years old to die? Do you want something you have been doing for (presumably) over half your life to stop existing and stop being a part of your life?

>>55275927
Both mtg and Hearthstone make the vast majority of there fund and players from casuals.

The average hearthstone player just plays suboptimally every 5 minutes or so like its candy crush and buys a couple packs every now and then.

The average mtg player buys packs and then plays kitchen table.

MTG:A is a stream able kitchen table mtg client. WOTC doesn't need to cater to oldfags and enfranchised eternal format players, those guys are already addicted by definition.

In a ccg market where 70% of the industry is digtal, and when mtgo came in FIFTH place behind WWE and a yugioh game that had only been out for a month, you have a problem.

Casuals are the future and always have been.

Digital is the future.

The hardcore can always find outlets for being hardcore, the game lives and breaths on casuals.


Its the same with SO many products with a "fanbase" My Little Pony, Transformers, Yugioh, adult swim the hardcore fans grow and yes there is something for them but they are the overwhelming minority.

You get your legacy becasue of the thousands and thousands of timmys buying walker decks.

You get Samurai Jack because Family Guy reruns paid for it.

MTG Arena is what MTG needs to SURVIVE so it can keep throwing niche bones to niche players, which is what every competitive player is, a niche, a side hustle, icing on the cake.

The icing cant get mad at the cake because with no cake, the icing just flops into a mess. The icing NEEDS the cake.

Everyone should praise the flood of casuals flooding in because otherwise mtg will DIE, like it almost did in the doomsday period between ravnica and zendikar when the game was collapsing.

This is a game for the hearthstone and streamer audience and there is nothing wrong with that. Especially given how many new player it can get in without the logistic hassle of irl magic.

>>55276064
>repeatedly state that they want consumer feedback so they can improve the design
>"This is shit, they should never try stuff like this"

>>55274327
So basically the same as the last game where they will just randomly stop supporting it midway through a block?

>>55275934

They may include some old cards for pops but I don't expect them to code pre-modern cards that are complicated.

>>55276035
I think the biggest problem players have right now is that a lot of us have seen the game at its best. Mirrodin, Ravnica, Innistrad, Khans, so many sets knocked it out of the park. It's been two years of the game at its worst and we know WotC can do so much better, yet they continuously refuse to improve and seem to make purposeful, conscience decisions to make their game worse.

>>55276159
>So basically the same as the last game where they will just randomly stop supporting it midway through a block?

basically. It won't be like heartstone, a stable platform on which they add cards after cards.

It's gonna be DEAD when ixalan rotates

>>55275984
Tbqh, a platform to draft with that I don't need to pay subscription for like MTGO is kind of something that I would genuinely pay for. And when they get it right I do think standard is the most interesting format since its the place where they can do new and weird things regularly, again if they do it right. I never thought this would be the way they'd go, but if they didn't want to get rid of MTGO I think this was the way to do it. Make Arena a standard and draft only platform.

>>55276129
Nigger, calm down. I never said casuals wouldn't take interest. I said that competitive players, not just from Hearthstone, but from CCGs across the entire market will be drawn to it. And if casual players get to play Standard and have fun, then there's nothing wrong with that. I'm just hoping this succeeds to the point that eternal format support can be a thing, not just because we can finally abandon the garbage fire that is MTGO, but also so that eternal formats can finally become continuously sustainable and affordable.

>>55276189
If these people genuinely wish to kill off the company, they should stop paying for any of the company's product and put an end to any emotional investment they have in the company and its product.

>>55276209
>I would genuinely pay for
Pay to draft with I mean, assuming I can't do free drafts. Drafting is something I'd like to do more but I can't go out and do it.

>>55276129

desu, the yugioh mobile game is pretty solid. Its similar to yugioh, but with the skill system and the cards that are available, the meta game is a lot different than the real life counter part. On top of that they have new content almost monthly.

Wizards definitely needs to get in on this digital card game train though, and hopefully Arena will be it.

>>55276210
Ah I dig it. Its just eternal format players are like the literal opposite of casuals.

It's like nick jr putting out a show for 40 year old guys; I mean they arent going to throw away viewers if they happent o latch on, but ctually catering to them in such a dgerre seems off puttng.

My best guess is standard draft and then "special
stuff like Unstable and Conspiracy or even mtga exclusive sets that do things you can only do in digital.

Doing modern or vintage or legacy in this would be pretty hard since you would have ot inject hella cards into the market, have people build collections from scratch and also introduce a crazy advanced format and a bunch of cards for casuals that might not go over well.

>>55276239
The claim is that "purchases are not required to access the full depth of authentic Magic gameplay." on this thing. Though that doesn't preclude drafting having a prohibitive cost in fake free-to-play money.

>>55276278
Wow that is some weasely words. I don't even know how to interpret that.

>>55276301
>>55276278
Look at the cost of an arena run in Hearthstone using gold. Think of the amount of time you must spend in order to earn a single arena run.

Drafting in MTGA will probably cost up to twice that much time, or perhaps as little as just as much time.

>>55276378
If how they handled Magic Duels is any indication, I'm sure they'll err on the side of less rather than more.

>>55276378

arena run in hearthstone is almost zero if you aren't terrible. there are plenty of arena only streamers that have gone "infinite" in hearthstone, hopefully it'll be the same for mtga.

>>55276378
They might also go the Eternal route where drafting is super fucking expensive but you get to keep the cards.

>>55269865
>WHOOSH KABLAM SHWOOOOP SHLLLLLP DINGDINGDING IT'S A ME MARIO

>>55276490
I'm sorry, I don't understand what you're trying to say.

>>55269865

The fact that you can't see the cards in your hand before you mouse over them is so shitty

>>55276244
x fucking zactly.

The WEE digital card game makes more than mtgo

>>55276524

WHAT? I CAN'T HEAR YOU OVER THE SOUND EFFECTS!

>>55276542
You are surprised that a video-game has sound effects?

>>55276278
>>55276301
A tcg is LITERALLY a freemium app but analog.

This is just the digital version of a free welcome deck and paying more for packs

>>55276549

YOU GOTTA SPEAK UP! I CAN'T HEAR YOU BECAUSE LITERALLY EVERY FUCKING THING HERE MAKES A SUPERFLUOUS AND FUCKING OBNOXIOUS WHIZZ BLAM WHOOSH NOISE!

>>55276589
Oh, I see. You don't know how to control your volume settings.

Perhaps when your age is double-digits, you'll learn how to do so. Until then, I suggest you get off of this website. 4chan is 18+.

>>55276552
I've never been to a store that started giving me free booster packs if I played my free welcome deck long enough, but I'll admit I haven't been to a lot of stores. The freemium apps do usually give you enough fake money for playing the game to buy new fake cards eventually.

>>55276620

SORRY, I CAN'T HEAR YOU! THE DUDE PLAYED A CARD AND THERE WAS LIKE FIVE DIFFERENT SWOOSHES AND WOOSHES GOING ON! EVEN FUCKING TAPPING LANDS MAKES A SOUND EFFECT, SEPARATELY FOR EACH LAND! THAT'S NOT GOING TO GET OLD FIVE SECONDS IN! HAVING A SOUND FOR AN ACTION THAT YOU DO 200 TIMES IN EVERY MATCH!

>>55276589

Bro, this is pretty pathetic. I know you want to be a cool kid on the internet, but pointless exaggeration won't get you the upboats you need.

>>55276651
Until you either learn how to adjust or turn off volume or get treatment for your debilitating mental disability, I suggest you don't play the game then. Sorry, friend.

>>55269865
Ugh and Meh. Looks like the same thing as last year with a new coat of paint. And if WotC will keep trending the same it will being missing yet another feature it's predecessor had. Thus it will be worse cause that's how it goes.

>>55275539
enjoy being butthurt over something not made for you.

>>55276838
Sounds like he is

>>55275590
Then why bring modern and even legacy back to the pro tour scene?

>>55276944
To attempt to lure Modern and Legacy players into being interested in Standard, which is also present in the pro tour scene.

please have an app version

>>55276960
>luring a chess player to start playing tictactoe

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>>55275592
>xmage worse than mtgo
No

>>55276965
Not immediately, but probably eventually.

>>55275147
>strictly better
Wrong.

>>55275466
did you google how to take a screenshot?

I'd draft it, it'll probably beat drafting on mtgo

Still hoping on Modern and Eternal formats eventually joining the crew.

>>55276624
So its strictly better than paper mtg then?

>>55278004
Unironically yes.
If this client gives you the undiluted Standard experience, there won't be any reason to visit an LGS and they'll need to start courting Eternal/Modern players instead.

Wich would be a win/win.

>>55277925
They should at least make a Core 19-on Eternal format exclusive to Arena. I'd play it just so I don't need to only play Standard.

I've bitched for years that promos of shit cards don't help people play Magic. Then they started giving out basic land promos. Now they're about to start giving out token promos.

And soon, they're going to give you digital vouchers for this Arena product as promos. Now, I understand that it's all promotional. But if I'm fucking playing paper Magic, I just want to play more fucking paper Magic and now they're planning on giving me promo product for a game I don't even fucking want. I'd rather get a fucking Pokemon card than some digital horseshit.

>>55274161
I miss color hosers.

>>55278241
When did they give promo basics? Also is tgat confirmed, or are you getting legitimately mad at things that might maybe happen?

>>55278309
From Ixalan Standard Showdown packs will have promo lands. First up Rebecca Guay Commander Lands in foil.

>>55278343
Foil Rebecca Guay lands? I'd rather have that than most rares from the last two blocks.

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>>55278410
They're pretty nice. I think they take the full-art land slot.

>>55275440
>It will obviously have a card crafting/destruction system like all its competitors

Duels did not have one.

>>55275449

Card redemption is not why MTGO is expensive. Remember that printing literally any card costs WotC mere thousandths of a cent. Mailing the set costs way more than printing it did. Also the redemption conditions are so insanely strict that basically nothing can be redeemed anymore anyway. You somehow have to gather a full set in six months. That is not abusable unless you're regularly top-8'ing Pro Tours.

MTGO is expensive because WotC wants it to be expensive. WotC is jealous of its physical product and does not want any digital version of the game to be an actual, real competitor to it. That is why MTGO is permanently shit, Duels was killed, and Arena will be killed too. Anything that's a threat to their main product is buried.

>>55277162
I don't like MTGO's set-up but anything is better than xmage

>>55275798
Kripp will only play if they sponsor it and he enjoys it. They should get Reynaud to play it....oh wait

>>55278410
When we are in a state of shit promos at FNM and prereleases (don't tell me just because Path to Exile and Fatal Push gets given out that it forgives the past five fucking years of shit) the correct direction to go is better cards not fucking basic lands. I don't care how nice or unique the art is on the things, they're still goddamn basic lands and you can get them anywhere.

While I can afford everything, at the end of the day, the happiness of some poor shitter who would love to get a free good expensive card is more important than whatever idiotic dopamine kick you get from receiving some gold-plated basic land.

>>55274554

This, it's eventually going to turn into the new MTGO (I mean that not with all the garbage baggage of current MTGO, but in a good way).

There's no reason for two clients if both have total rules enforcement. Wizards wants to make money on both, but nobody is going to draft on the $$$ client if they can do they same for free or at near-zero cost. Very few are going to play older constructed when Standard is available for free, or for fairly low cost. As more and more people migrate to Arena (and most of the new players, who certainly won't want to play on MTGO if their introduction to the game is through the visually appealing Arena), less will play on MTGO, and eventually they will cease support (while migrating older formats onto Arena, with lag time, and in a way that makes them more money).

None of the above is judgmental, but it will happen eventually. Two digital clients + a physical game is a logistical nightmare, especially as more and more functionality is added to Arena. Honestly, I think this is a good thing. The free-to-play (or cheap-to-play) market is much, much bigger, and while WotC is making lots of money per person on MTGO, it pales in comparison to what a Hearthstone-like userbase offers in terms of cash.

Now that I know they have a "full control" mode, I'm 100% on board, even if it is only a couple of sets worth of MTG.

>>55275203

oh god lorwyn was great. dropping that cloudGOAT giant and riding it to victory on the back of your giant/kithkin deck felt great

>>55278937
Wizards is 100% retarded if they think their paper model is going to survive the widespread collapse of the LGS. In 20 years the LGS will be dead to Amazon or the LGSs that have an online storefront, which means having an easy convenient place to physically play and have a physical community is going to die with it. In 30 years the only thing of a physical community that will be left will be some "League" system that is fan-maintained probably by ChannelFireball or StarcityGames which will run the GP circuit and other hosted events but as for weekly or even monthly local events, that shit is going to fall apart or will fall under a club system attached to the league run by CFB or SCG much like how Scrabble or Chess is run by a institution.

MTGO is expensive because Wizards is fucking incompetent and cannot fix itself even if it is capable of foreseeing the collapse of their paper product. And I know they see the collapse of the play spaces because they've focused so much on getting their product into Target and Gamespot and giving zero fucks about their stores. The only way to access a rep is through phone and let me tell you from my experience that every time they (as in the corporations) pull people off the road, it's game fucking over.

Sure, cannibalization of your own market certainly was something to worry about. Any competent company would realize that it's time to eat your fucking paper players - you need to move them and any potential players to digital ASAP and of their own will before those players realize their nice free place to play is a luxury store owners cannot maintain anymore due to a variety of factors (including fucking rent going bananas) and god forbid have to pay store for table space.

>>55279465
There's still time, dummy. Their biggest spenders are people who end up spending too much money impusively at a Target for like a month and then quit forever. There's just a lot of those kids.

>>55279515
That's what I mean, they're abandoning their stores and shifting paper sales to Target. They no longer give a fuck about "community" or face to face play. Paper Magic is going to be children-crack; the idea of FNM and pre-releases and sanctioned play will be abandoned by Wizards. If people want to organize that shit themselves, fine, but as far as having an official weekly thing - there will no longer be stores to do it at unless for some insane reason Walmart steps up.

>>55279574
I remember when Toys-R-Us used to hold "Pokemon TCG Saturdays" or some bullshit like that.

>>55279574
That's actually a possitive.
I dropped Magic because WotC literally told me I had to choose between booze or WPN and Magic will never be as profitable as alcohol, but people wouldn't go play tournaments at a store without WPN.

If WPN dies altogether, I can easily hold tournaments at my sports bar and continue sustaining good entertainment on the power of booze.

>>55279588
Man, those consumed my saturdays for a solid two years when I was a kid.

>>55279574
I mean, so? I guess that's how I feel. I may have met my current EDH players through the card shop, but there's easily other avenues for this sort of thing even if shop's close down.

I love my card shop, but I don't see any reason to mourn the institution going away in a decade.

>unity game engine
phone/tablet version confirmed.

So, will i be able to freely draft at will? If so, i'll be playing non-stop, but if its any worse than the Eternal model of going 6+-2 to actually draft again it can fuck right off.

>>55279934
odds are you'll need in-game currency (or cash) to buy in. so no, you won't be able to play draft and only draft for free unless winnings include enough in-game currency to go again and you can win enough to do so indefinitely. even so, it will probably be significantly cheaper to draft in this than in mtgo or paper.

>>55275683
>"You say that, but both Hearthstone and Faeria have lost massive amounts of their playerbases due to not considering the competitive side of their games. "

The average Hearthston player cara about competitive anyway? i mean side from the minority that cares about esports.

>>55274727

>shills standard
>shits on every other format that is multitudes more complex and rewarding to the player than Standard

I wonder who could behind this post

>>55279672
I think the problem with alcohol is that the Magic community will taddle on you to Wizards if you were to hold an event at a bar. In my area bars aren't even an official term anymore - everything has been legally reclassified as a restaurant, allowing children into "bars" when before they would have been prohibited from entering.

I don't condone underage drinking. But I do think there's no reason why you can't sit across from a kid with a beer in your hand. If you become an uncivil piece of shit while drunk that's another story but I agree with you that it's terrible that Wizards will revoke your shit because your venue is "traditionally" children-unfriendly.

>>55279771
I guess I mourn the institution because it means we have lost sight of supporting someone who could be your neighbour. The globalization of product in general is fine and all but that still leaves room for personal-touch businesses to survive. Restaurants survive, I'm sorry that tailors no longer are a common thing, and because there's a social aspect to games and Magic I wish that LGSs could weather the retail-death of the world. Magic as it is had the potential to bring people together - in much the same way guns/hunting, sports, or Monopoly bonded generations of people together. Video games couldn't do it because new shit makes it difficulty to establish a foundation. But Magic could've been universal in our world if Wizards gave a fuck about making it affordable.

>>55278490
>that swamp

Sweet, when are they out?

>>55280639
soon™

>>55280507
Well, that's a thing. My bar is a bar, it's 18+, but they still wouldn't let me serve alcohol to adults AND hold sanctioned Magic events.

>>55275092
i tried listening to his podcast had to turn it off almost immediately. now i cant even read anything he writes without reeee'ing like an autist

>>55281139
Consider that you might be an autist if you can't listen to someone speak without cringing.

>>55281248
MaRo isn't someone, it's something. I'm sure it's a fucking reptilian, no human can speak like that in public and not recoil at themselves.

>>55281271
Holy shit, it's just a guy with a weird voice. If you can't listen to someone speak in an atypical fashion without experiencing a strong and immediate negative reaction that compels you to cease listening to them, consider that you might have issues.

Most people are able to overcome the fact that someone has a weird voice and have the ability to actually listen to what that person has to say.

>>55281328

>hire a Public Relations guy with a weird voice

for what purpose? Fire the weirdo, get someone handsome and smooth-talking if you want the Normie crowd. If you want to keep the weirdo basement-dweller crowd then start pandering to them instead of this Magic Arena crap.

>>55281393
He isn't public relations. He wasn't hired for PR.

>>55281328
Ive hewrd it said Mark swears like a sailor in the Pit at wizards. I dont know how true thst is but its funny as shit to imagine. I can kinda see him being the guy that goes "HOLY SHIT HOLY SHIT HOLY SHIT" when he thinks of something.

>>55274901
Lets people play standard without sinking in a bunch of money, or learning how to play mtgo. Seems more or less like their version of hearthstone.

>>55280507
In my city we literally have no-where else to play other than a pub.
and the Mitre is pretty shit, Hugh

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>>55269865
My attempt to sum up-

No rarity restrictions.

All standard cards are planned to be available on the public launch, beta is ixilan only.

Draft, sealed and standard formats are planned for public launch.

Priority beta access for Duels players who created a wizards account and linked it to their duels account.

Free to play

Rotating format, to exist as standard exists.

Cards become available the same day paper cards are released.

Full rules engine with upkeep, full control mode for holding priority through every phase, real magic.

Wotc hosted tournaments.

Ranked ladder and casual ladder and limited/draft arena.

No more stainless.

Timer operations dont appear set in stone, it was mentioned this is being tested in beta.

Planeswalkers talk.

Rares and mythics have animations that are cool.

Looks like a home run, I hope I get to play it, if I get an invite I'll be windows shopping

>>55284465
>Planeswalkers talk.
This part is stupid honestly. Voice lines get real old when you're hearing them for the 100th time.

>>55281328
>Holy shit, it's just a guy with a weird voice.
No, it's a Jew with a weird voice.

>>55269865

Here are the videos about the game:

Gameplay
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NBVKDzti4TI

Stream
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T6lon9-8Fck

>>55284824
Wait, there's no clock? What stopping someone who's losing a game from just going AFK during their turn to troll you into conceding to them?

>>55285202
See:
>>55284465
>Timer operations dont appear set in stone, it was mentioned this is being tested in beta.

It's a fucking pre-alpha what do you expect

>>55285224
They should have something appear on screen after a while like a rope burning down or something.

>>55285224
They did say you have a set amount of time per turn. Like Hearthstone. But you bank any spare time. So turns are 2 minutes, but you bomb through then well turns and then you can take a 6 minute turn when things get serious.

>>55274205
:(

Why do they do this

>>55285400

probably because they don't want to share money with stainless. This game is developed by Wizards own team and is maybe going to be a substitute for MTGO.

>>55275934
I would reckon making new cards is a LOT more expensive than just rehashing old ones, you can skip the whole design part, and just shoehorn them in while you make new cards.

>>55285780
You assume that games developers ever have down-time where they're twiddling their thumbs and not doing much. There's a pretty big chance that coding in and animating all of the standard cards takes up enough time that they'd need to hire more animators and coders in order to put in old cards at the same time.

>>55285780
They're not gonna just stop printing new sets. New cards are gonna be designed regardless of what Arena does.

>>55278004
Not really, you can keep your paper cards forever, they're actual value that you can do whatever you want with. Digital cards are just pieces of code that will die when WotZ decides to shut down the servers, and even if you yourself get bored of them beforehand, you are stuck with them and can't even sell them.

>>55277198
Arena is yet to get an Android port.

>>55280507
>>55280909
Quick question: Why do you need Wizards approval to host tournaments at your place? It makes a lot more sense that the tables would be just a way to attract people into buying food and drinks and maybe other games, rather than being the main thing.

Why do people think that Legacy, Modern and Vintage would make WotC anywhere near as much money as Standard?

>>55285828
Pajeets aren't expensive to keep around, and they're better at working fast than working well desu

But I guess we just don't know either way.

>>55285830
That was my point.

I am watching through the whole stream so far and I actually am excite again. Full control looks good.

And I like how cards that the pirate deck could cast from other zones were displayed seperate from her hand, but still freely visible to her.