Is map presentation important for you?

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>>55267967
What do you mean by presentation exactly?

Having a map to present to the players in the first place?
Method of presentation and execution of the presentation? (beamer, printout, roll20, maptools, quick whiteboard drawing etc)
Representation choices on the map itself? (format, placement in format, font, medium, label size, symbols, color palette etc)
Actual worldbuilding choices about geography, demographics and magic that will show on the map?

>>55267967
Is this a proper use of the meme?

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>>55269382
>virgin one is designed to be relatable, to attempt to make people feel self-concious and to feed off their insecurity
>chad one is a comical counterpoint, designed to be funny
yes

>>55267967
>"listens to luca turilli"
>not "Still has never heard a song in his life"

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>>55267967
>Chad plucking the continent from the virgin's setting
sides, come back
i need you

I take satalite images for maps in a jet pilot game I'm running, the players think it's really cool.

I'm solidly in the Virgin Worldbuilder category.

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>>55269451
This one is my favourite

>>55267967
Cunt off tea is gud

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>>55269451
For instance.

>>55273792
I my only problem with this, is that the blood of Chad's would be more worthy for a god, not a Virgin. Excluding attractive virgin females, of course

>>55267967
Wh-what's wrong with listening to cheesy fantasy power metal?

>>55269451
An important aspect I see everyone forget is that the Chad one is so weird and funny because it's literally the exact opposite of whatever the virgin does taken to a stupid degree.

Half the time they just make Chad do nonsense shit and forget he's not doing nonsense he's just a complete 180 on anything the virgin does.

>>55267967
Eh. I'd worldbuild for keeps, but I don't play important enough games to justify it.
I have a shitty handrawn map, but the most recent one I published was literally MSPaint for a rough sketch.

Not terribly, but I think I might just steal the idea of using crayons for my mapping.

>>55267967
for the record, i root for the virgin worldbuilder

>>55274181
By itself nothing, but its a contrast for the chad against the virgin who gets in the mood by listening to traditional stuff.
t. power metal sperg

>>55275075
There's a fine line between it looking like a unique style and looking like a child made it, but god speed

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>>55273969
My favorite example

>>55276027
Sauce?

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>>55276027
Anon, that's not a virgin.
That's a tranny

>>55273971
>wanting to spill what little Chad blood runs through Creation

Blasphemy. Also Chad wrote the holy book himself, and I doubt he'd want his own heart getting ripped out.

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>>55276133
Kill Six Billion Demons.

>>55275075
Use MS paint it gets the job done well enough.

>>55269573
Online or in person game?

If online how big are your maps?

I've been having trouble making maps from google earth pro Satalite images. In terms of the maps ending up too big for roll20 and also getting maps that can be scaled and gridded. (Game is mostly on foot. So it's a modern setting but isn't a jet fighter game like yours)

>>55276190
I've wanted to read K6BD for awhile but if it's just more Orwellian socjus pandering fuck that shit infinitely.

>>55276539
Protag is powertripping barista, main sidekick is a tranny. The rest of the cast is tolerable, that is, if you like the kind of stuff that puts rule of cool above consistency.

>>55267967
Sorta. It's how I start worldbuilding.

>>55276539
Anon, I think you need to calm down and stop acting like the kinda folk you are trying to talk shit about.
What is so wrong with taking it on it's own measure and worth, rather than trying to bootstrap on some agenda you don't even know is there?

>>55276539
do or don't no one cares about your feels

>>55276662
Leave him alone, anon.

Don't trigger the snowflake's precious feelings.

>>55267967
When I'm the GM? Yes, I'm self conscious about how all of my maps look, whether they're battle maps or overworld maps. When I'm a player? Couldn't care less as long as the important bits are there.

Chad category and besties with a Virgin
Tbh I should probably just take all his worlds since I'm the one that actually GMs our group. Except I know he'll scold me every time I make something even mildly historically inaccurate.

I'm just happy when the current area the group is in makes sense and seems relatively alive. All I need to know is the general "feel" of things (well kept, happy, dying, decrepit) and where important shit is.
My maps reflect this sentiment.

Except when it's the /comfy/ home base

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I made this map.

I unno, something about it I just don't really like.

>>55276893
It's just a blob in the ocean, for one.

>>55276893
RIVERS DON'T SPLIT REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!

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>>55276893
>rivers running from mountain to mountain

>>55277011
Those are actually places where rivers join aside from one

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>>55276851
>The lads amity: the post.

>>55276539
>more Orwellian socjus pandering
Back in the old days before 2015, we called this "having a female protagonist".

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>>55277149
Gamergate was a fucking mistake, honestly. I feel like the SJW boogeyman dreamed up by whoever kicked that whole thing off (IIRC it was /pol/ fucking with /v/, but I may be wrong.) spilled over to just about everything vaguely nerdy, and now you can't have any opinion left of centre in Vidya or tabletop without someone on the internet shrieking at you.

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Currently working on this.

It's quite a large map, covering an unfeasibly large play area, so I think I'll just get a basic "nations made up of X here, local threats include a, b, c" and ask them what part of the world they'd like to play, then take a week to flesh out that area.
Still need to add rivers as well as generally developed areas.

>>55277263
nice not!europe

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>>55277307
I try

I mean for the humans it's literally just High Medieval Europe and all its wars and power plays and pretenders. Sampling history is a lot easier than inventing it.

>>55277059
I see. Kinda hard to tell. Though it does look like some of them are splitting.

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>>55267967
Just pick a real live location. It's easier and more realistic.

>>55276539
Look, I hate the soc jus as much as anyone; let me tell you that this thing is absolutely fine.

>>55273792
>30K Imperial Truth Virgin/Chad Word Barer

>>55273792
This is some Azzie meme propoganda.

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Best one

also /tg/ relevant

>>55277232
You can't have any opinion, period.
If you move slightly left the grognards whine, if you move slightly right the nu-males whine, if you stay in the centre everyone whines.
The only solution is bitchslapping everyone whenever they open their maw to whine about politics until they learn to shut up or leave.

>>55276539
Anon when he says "tranny", in this case it means "angel who has a gender at all." The rest of them don't bother with the concept, what with being sexless spirits and all.

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>>55277625
An excellent point. I've never actually seen a 'nu-male', nor do I know what one is, but I do certainly agree that having any opinion will get you jumped by someone.

>>55277699
Twitter is filled with the worst members of the two sides

>>55277572
Another meme that misses the point of Chad. He's just supposed to be better than the virgin, he must be taken to absurd extremes.

>>55277452
To be fair Chad is the most Chad of the West African nations. Btfo Libyans with a bunch of toyotas and recently fucked up some virgin Islamists in Mali (the Islamist leader was literally a Danny Devito sized manlet with rickets)

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>>55269451
Enjoy this one from the Lego General on /toy/

>>55277667
To be fair angels are males in KSBD and have a good reason for it as male = order and female = chaos in their cosmology. A dude created the 'ordered' servants and angels while a divine dumbass lady created the devils and humanity.

>>55273969

Post it on /pol/. Get a ton of hate (you)s.

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My personal Favorite.

Not biased at all I swear...

>>55277232
>Gamergate was about politics
This is why we aren't allowed to have nice things.

>>55276133
KSBD

Don't read it. The art pulls you in, and then you end up let down by the garbage-tier basic bitch power fantasy sjw plotline

>>55267967
>Luca Turilli and Rhapsody of Fire

Chad has good taste.

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>>55267967
>listens to Luca Turilli and Rhapsody of Fire

This so much

>>55267967
>Rhapsody of Fire
REEEEEEIIIGGGNNN OF TEEEEEERRRRRRROOOOOOOOORRRRRRRRRRRR AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
Dragonforce should be there too

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>>55277452
>that pic
dammit anon, I needed those sides

>>55278981
>Luca Turilli

TO THE WIND I WILL SING THE TALE OF THE TALE OF THE KING

>>55278783
The GGers had a valid point, for about five minutes. And then /pol/ saw a vector and took over, and it went to shit.

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>>55279591
Why the fuck is this meme so popular?

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>>55277263
Seems familiar

>>55279682
Never seen that before actually. Just a coincidence I suppose.

>>55279571
I'd say it's more to the developers moving the goalposts, If you're loosing an argument you change it to one that you can win.

>>55279685
I guess it's just a case of creative convergence. You do you booboo

>>55274960
Yeah, precisely. Everyone made fun of the virgin walk, the chad walk is meant to prove how the opposite would be even more ridiculous. Some of the virgin's actions make sense.

>>55277023
Maybe his mountains float. and and the whole world has a slight tilt.

>>55279685
Don't feel bad, bud. I once wrote a story where there was a badass, kind of cruel dude with half of his face burnt off.

Then I saw GoT

And I was fucking pissed.

Originality is a Herculean Feat these days.

>>55279824
>Don't feel bad, bud. I once wrote a story where there was a badass, kind of cruel dude with half of his face burnt off.

I should make it clear: he wasn't the main character. He was, however, a favorite of my readers.

>>55276214
>not sacrificing the best for your god
And this is why the gods hate us anon.

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>>55267967
am i THE FORGER OF WORLDS?

i drew this in ms paint like 3 years ago and this has been the map for one of my main forged worlds

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>>55279682
Reminds me of this one a little.

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>>55279924
then again i have a pretty virgin map for another world

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>>55277232
>this is something that someone unironically believes
Yes anon, SJWs are just a boogeyman, but /pol/ is so deceptive and inciduous, it was able to mastermind the world's biggest shitstorm and split the entire internet in two for close to a year and a half.
I'm certain you recall things correctly, and that bias has distorted none of your memories.

>>55278783
>>55279571
>>55279698
GG is about politics insofar as being apolitical is about politics. It was about the rejection of politics from places it didn't belong.
Now, did the people who were part of GG become more politicized because of it? That's a matter up for debate.

>>55279995
I think you are giving /pol/ more credit than they deserve

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I whip out my dick and jerk it onto a piece of paper.

The outlines of the cumstains are the outlines of my setting's continents. Booyah, there you go, quick and dirty worldbuilding start.

>>55277924
>welcomes all kinds of brands
please tell me this is the majority of /toy/

>>55279682
Forgotten Realms map looks horribly lazy in design.

>>55280013
Donald Trump is President, anon. Stop denying your new reality, because /pol/ is way ahead of you.

>>55280141
Trump was just elected because the Dems choose literally the worst candidate for the job and did nothing but give Trump free press while sitting on their asses.

>>55279995
>It was about the rejection of politics from places it didn't belong.
>thinks ethics and journalism as it relates to truth isn't political

>>55280013
Reread his post. I'm pretty sure he's being sarcastic in that first bit.

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>>55280231
Oh I guess you are right

>>55279924
Looks like the world from SoIaF
Just take away that north pole and get rid of the water splitting up the continents on the right and you'll see it.

>>55280013
Set aside your feelings. Use the report, anon. The power of hate is nothing in the face of the mods.

>>55277093
Someone post that Pompei graffiti about the bros.

>>55280196
Ethics/morality isn't politics. Just because 51% of people believe murder is okay doesn't mean that murder is suddenly okay, because what is right and what is necessary for society are two different things.

>>55280251
"If I know one thing, it is that I know nothing."

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>>55276486

I did a little fistbump to my monitor because MS Paint is top tier shit.

>>55281136
>skub is bad
>no, skub is good
>hey man there's no need to bring political opinions into this

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>>55277011

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Eh, I tried to make it realistic, but my players don't really care for it so I only make it realistic enough that I have a framework to build my sessions in. Only 1 session thus far and they went southeast of New Serdem, almost got lost, and made it to Samson. They kept rolling and finding discoveries. Most of the names are just placeholders, I usually just replace them on the spot for what sounds cool.

>>55281136
>Ethics/morality isn't politics.
Oh, you're retarded. Cool.

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>>55281939
notanargument

>>55277957

> he didn't see the lack of autism in /pol/'s earlier humor thread

>>55280172

It was still damned close, and I'd eat my hat if /pol/'s net-wide meme propaganda campaign didn't win him at least a dozen electorates. I hate that he won, but we have to give credit where it's due and learn from our mistakes.

>>55281599
An exception is not the rule.

>>55282122
If you think THAT'S the message to learn from Trump, you obviously haven't been paying attention.

If you want to learn something, it's this: you can have all the money, media, and establishment behind you, and you can talk better and be more experienced than the other guy, and you'll still lose if he has better policies than you. In the end, democracy works.

>>55282283
Also looking/acting like you might fucking die at any moment, being corrupt as shit, and totally ignoring the current issue that YOU fucking caused doesn't help either. And I ain't talkin' bout emails

>>55282315
>ignoring the current issue that YOU fucking caused
Yup. Hillary lost the election the moment she stepped onto stage and said "Make America Great Again? America has never been better!"

I love how nu/tg/ is /pol/ now.

I'd rather have quests.

>>55282393
>I love how nu/tg/
I love how every board since the beginning of 4chins has had people saying "I hate [THING] on [BOARD I LIKE], it must be newfags, or nu[BOARD] culture"

>>55282393
Funny. I'm sure the /pol/ posters would complain about how bluepilled/leftist/sjw/whatever nu/tg/ is.

>>55282393
we got a /pol/ mod about a month ago and its been noticeably shit since

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>>55282393
>>55282445
Remember the good old days when autists didn't cry about the scary /pol/ man hiding behind every corner? Because everything is clearly the work of those zany Nazis cooking up a new scheme.
I remember those days. Those were good times.

WAR OF THE UUUNIVEEERSE
OF COSMIC EEEENERGIES

>>55282520
>autists didn't cry about the scary /pol/
>you have to be an autistic manchild to complain about /pol/ being in a board that isn't /pol/
Or you know, someone could just not be here for the stupidity that is politics and want to discuss, you know, what the board is about, which isn't politics?

>>55282509
I suspect he was the one who wanted quyests gone. The /tg/ is /pol/ wasn't nearly so bad while quests were here.

Funny how that worked.

>>55282520
I remember the good old days when /pol/ was libertarian and neonazi nu/pol/tards hadn't infested every corner of this site, yes.

>>55282556
>>55282558
But you see Anon, just because someone disagrees with you, or you don't like something doesn't make it /pol/. This is a shocking revolutionary thought I know.
This shouldn't be such a hard fucking concept for /tg/ to grasp but holy shit does it seem to be.

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Yes, I fucking love maps, why do you ask?

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>>55282556
/tg/ has always been off topic. Sometimes that veers into autism (pic related), other times into politics. But I repeat myself.

>>55282584
/pol/ is, before anything else, reactionary. They were reactionaries back then, when reactionaries were libertarieans, and they're reactionaries now, when reactionaries are nazis. In that way, /pol/ has always stayed the same.

>>55282584
Well, you have a point there. there is one slight problem with your comment, anon.
>>55282283
>>55282364
SURE IS FUCKING /tg/ THAT I DON'T AGREE WITH, NOW, ISN'T IT DIPSHIT. IT AIN'T A FUCKING /pol/ BOOGEYMAN IF IT FUCKING /pol/ IS IT?

>>55282641
My god... two people responded to something in a civil manor is regards to a statement. When will the Nazi invasion end!? It's like Wolfenstien in here.

>>55282616
>>55282669
If you don't like it, you should just sit back and ignore it, especially if it ruins stuff you like.

Right?

>>55282669
WE MUST COMBAT THE NAZIS
QUICK, SHITPOST AS LOUD AND HARD AS YOU CAN
What even was the topic of this thread? Maps? I like those. I like to draw them, shame I cant' name shit to save my life

>>55282393
This is a fucking master class in bait,
take this (you) and lovingly caress it please anon.

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>>55282641
Yes you fucking mong, I'm not /pol/. I'm a fucking Jewish liberal Leaf; I don't think theres a combination as anti-/pol/ as that!

So, when people call me /pol/, when there is literally nothing further from the truth, I know for a fact that you're falling for the /pol/ boogieman.

>>55280018
Is this an outline of Europe?

>>55282520
I remember when we didn't have a second Chanology that politicized the entire site.
I also remember when we didn't have a first Chanology, but that's not relevant anymore.

I like maps, I wish I could draw maps

>>55267967
I love the rivers.

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>>55282597
This is giving me a hard on.

>>55282905
Nothing to it but to do it. Google about and look for videos on YouTube on the subject.

>>55277957
/pol/ will think that's hilarious mate, maybe you should spend some time there.

>>55282126
>Rivers don't do this
>posts river doing exactly this
>EXCEPSHUN ISN'T THE RUUUUILE FAGGIT
Jesus Christ, just accept you were wrong.

>>55282003
Not an argument.

>>55267967
how can a meme be ran to the ground so quickly

>>55284417
by getting forced in places that aren't its' original surroundings.

>>55267967
What's with Rhapsody?
that chad is eerily close to home

>>55278981
Dragonforce feels like a lizardman to Rhapsody's dragon to me

>>55282520
I just don't like when someone brings up politics. Any. At all. It's like a loud, smelly fart of a fat ghoul.

>>55276539
dont be such a fucking snowflake anon, its an angel who has tits when the rest of them are random geometric shapes. jfc just read the comic and stop being so triggered

>>55282616
When the 'off topic' stuff is political bullshit constantly, it gets boring as shit. It's just the same things, over and over, shovelled down our throats and if you dare call attention to it you get told that it's always been part of /tg/ (no it hasn't), you're a SJW (fuck them too), you're autistic (how does this even make sense), or like you just said '/tg/ has always been off topic'

>>55278783
It fucking was though. Sure, from the start it was split between ethics-in-journalism and SJW-hate, but either the ethical dudes became SJW-haters or the ethical dudes just fucked off and it became all about politics.

>>55267967
Not really, mostly because historically maps have never been super accurate. I mostly just provide decorative maps which show major features and their relation to one another.

>>55269451
>Virgin
>Relatable
I have bad news.

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>>55286175
considering all the (You)s you could get by just posting this image, yes it's very relatable to many people here

>>55278872
>SJW plotline
>Basic bitch power fantasy
Its like you dont read comics or something. KSBD is like 90th percentile in writing quality. Compared to meme-status garbage like Monstress its a fucking masterpiece.

>>55286201
No shit. Comics fucking suck.

>>55286197
Half that shit just comes from having nothing on your mind while you walk. In college I felt like that during a spring break I had to spend on campus (I had some assays to monitor) and I realized it was because I just had nothing going on. The act of walking becomes something that consumes your attention, rather than something you just do. Basically losers are only losers because they dont do anything with their lives.

>>55286243
it's almost as if that image was only made to rile up insecure people on the internet

>>55286207
Thats like complaining about fanfiction then. If its not for you dont read it. Honestly though, if somebody has any interest in comics (god help them) KSBD is not a bad read compared to most other independent garbage out there.

>>55286243
got one

>>55279924
Sorry to say it friend, but you drew Azeroth

>>55280915
>>55286293
so the answer you are looking for is "yes"

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Where should the rivers/mountains go?

>>55286416
wherever looks best

>>55282393
I miss the tg relevant quest. I dont miss the metric asston of weeabo shit quest or the blatant videogame rip off ones.
House and dominion just isnt the same without fa/tg/uys and the occasional/k/omando

>>55286416
Take some of those non-landbridge reentrants and make them the mouths of rivers, draw mountains across those land bridges, then fill in a few more mountains so you end up with a region that should be desert, and throw a few rivers coming out of the thinner parts of the mountains.

>>55286416
ridges along the long areas
peaks in the middles
rives down to the middle sea
overall looks like a good start would explore

>>55282393
This. Quests weren't so bad, because they didn't spill out of their threads.

>>55279591
kek

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>>55286067
I understand and I empathize, I really do; it sucks when the thing that you hate is what everyone is talking about. That being said, however, I believe in the virtues of an off-topic /tg/.

I'm of the "/tg/ - traditional gamers" school of mind, and I'm not gonna budge an inch on that. People on /tg/ like to talk about unrelated shit, like Elder Scrolls and Warcraft lore, arms and armour, cyoas, mythology, children's fantasy novels, George R R Martin, and it seems also about politics. This spirit of off-topic discussion is what makes /tg/ great, and it shouldn't ever be infringed

>>55287691
Shit I was just about to post that pic, it describes /tg/ to a T

>>55278872
I'm just there so I can cherrypick concepts and aesthetics to steal for my own campaigns, and it works for that pretty well.

>>55279571
There is no integrity in gaming journalism, and women are harassed at a disproportionate rate than men. I have no idea why these became opposites, the future is stupid.

How do you effectivley design and give geography to a star map?

>>55287807
Quasars flow up the curve of spacetime

>>55287769
/pol/. /pol/ is how these became opposites.

You see, /pol/ didn't give a shit about ethics in games journalism. /pol/ cared about leftists. And in gamergate, they found a bunch of angry dupes who could be herded like cattle. Zoe Quinn wasn't bad because she sucked some dick to win awards, Zoe Quinn was bad because she held badwrong position. She was a feminist. Feminism is the enemy of video games, you know? After all, look at all these feminists getting mad at people harassing a female developer.

All while the same harassers turn to the gullible saps that still believe it's about ethics in games journalism played onto the fact that these people were being attacked. They're just not being fair to you. Those mean feminists, projecting what we the trolls are saying to them and saying it's all your fault. These leftist are your enemies.

This isn't to say that, of course, the opposite side wasn't overreactionary dicks. After all, the "gamers are dead" articles were a good example of them shooting themselves in the foot in regards to being understood.

One side talked down, and another side framed it in such a way that these people were your enemies and every position they hold is something you should fight against.

And listen, I know this sounds far fetched, but if you understand how fascists recruit, this isn't new or innovative.

>>55288039

It's a bit disconcerting honestly, who knows many thousands of Redditors /pol/ has successfully brainwashed? If they aren't shut down or somehow stopped, this'll come to a head sooner or later.

>>55288039
Nice fantasy you got there.
What really happened was that that whole mess simply opened the eyes of a lot of people to the shit that was going on in general in our culture, and among them the ones who though "maybe this feminist, multicultural "utopia" where we white dudes are literally the devil and shunned from society due to the circumstances of our birth, even in our native homelands, ain't such a good idea", took an interest in politics, and went down the rabbit hole that is /pol/.

ps, fascism is wholly legitimate ideology and parliamentary democracy is shit tier way of governance because it eliminates all responsibility and accountability from the highest echelons of power. Only morons and criminals who wish to escape responsibility and still hold power,
would advocate for our modern system.

>>55288158
>If they aren't shut down or somehow stopped, this'll come to a head sooner or later
You say that like that's a bad thing.

>>55287769
>women are harassed at a disproportionate rate than men
This is not true.

>>55288325
lmao

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>>55278872
I don't question if you've read a genuine "garbage-tier basic bitch power fantasy sjw storyline" before (see: Twilight). I question if you've read ANYTHING before.

>>55276539
It isn't. Jesus fuck, it isn't, unless you're so redpilled that any plot that isn't a masturbatory far-right power fantasy makes you break out in hives. It's basically like Shadowrun, Planescape, and the Vedas had a freaky-ass child.

>>55276598
>Protag is a powertripping barista
And in all fairness, most of her character arc so far is her own neuroses fucking her over and having to be bailed out of her mistakes by actually competent people.
>Main sidekick is a tranny
The main sidekick is an angel that has a gender and has feelings, which by the standards of the over angels is an unacceptable deviation from their "proper" state as sexless and emotionless enforcers of cosmic order. You can call that a tranny, but it really doesn't work, even as a metaphor.

>>55288700
You have to admit that, on the surface, the whole White Chain looks a little like socjus pandering. Obviously once you read into it, it turns out that it's not the case, but how can you know that if you're an outsider looking in?

>>55288482
Yeah, you tell them, man. You haven't seen so it isn't true.
Fuck you.
If you had real female friends who would actually feel comfortable around you enough to tell you their stories you would know that ever single one encountered some kind of harassment that would be unbelievable for a man.
I personally know one girl who was raped and three that were molested. And every, I can't stress it enough, every one had some harassment story.
So fuck you. I know it hurts your feeling to know you are not the centre of the universe, the most special snowflake ever. But get some humility.

>>55269382
Yes, the ones that make chad out to be the ideal method are made by redditors who don't understand the joke

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>>55289383
First of all, calm down. I am not going to have an argument of pathos with you. I did not mean to insult you or for you to take it personally, and if you did, I apologize. I'm sorry your friend was raped, but it's irrelevant to the topic of mean words online.

By the rates alone, men suffer an equal amount of harassment as women. This has been acknowledged in a number of reports, even some feminism-leaning ones.

Now, is the harassment faced by women somehow more malicious or more pernicious than the harassment faced by men? I could be. Personally, I'm sceptical of anyone claiming that something as personal as emotional response to harassment can be generalized over such broad categories of people, but I am willing to hear arguments for and against.

>>55279971
ha, Newfoundland and Cape Town are still the same

>>55289690
>men suffer an equal amount of harassment as women.

hahahaohwow.jpg

>>55290369
This is actually categorically true for online interactions.
Trying to claim anything else is just using really cheap bait.

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>>55290369
By the rates, the numbers don't lie.

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>>55289690
https://journalistsresource.org/studies/society/gender-society/internet-harassment-online-threats-targeting-women-research-review

>>55277232
Gamergate would've been avoided if journalists admitted one of their own screwed up. Instead they closed ranks, and colluded with eachother to piss on their audience. That's what set off gamergate, not some journalist shagging some rainbow haired nobody.

>>55277526
>Can only speak in a whisper because of pollution
>Only recites imperial propaganda for fear of being arrested
>wears dull and cheap icons to avoid being questioned by inquisitors
>toils alone in dark poorly lit imperial workshop duplicating boring manuals
>secretly resents authoritarian rituals but can't imagine any other life
>sickly legs hobble his aching body away from conflicts

>Loudly screams blasphemies at all times
>Bears Words so powerful they light the air on fire, harming anyone who hears them
>painfully inscribes his entire body with chaotic encantations
>surrounded by hundred of acolytes and summoned demons at all times
>dreams of soon becoming a Gal Vorbak
>stout pillar-like legs never budge, warps directly into battle

>>55290493
http://www.pewinternet.org/2014/10/22/online-harassment/
An interesting piece, but I find the actual study to go more in depth.

The part you posted refers to part 4 of the study, and it expands on the statistics. While women have a 20% higher chance of finding harassment be be very or extremely upsetting, this number isn't entirely due to the types of harassment that they suffer. If you look at the men and women who have ONLY suffered mild harassment, the ratio between men and women at the 'extremely' and 'very' category remains almost the same (27% women compared to 13% men).

It's a real pity that they don't have a link to the actual surveys. I'm really curious now about how things vary in very specific cases.

>>55279591

>saws people to death regularly

10/10

>>55287691

100% this

>>55279995
>>55277232
I realize that it went to shit after the womenhater brigade formed up, but can we just take a second to acknowledge how insane it is that the wikipedia article on the whole Zoey thing is basically like "gaming news site was accused of corruption by anons after it was made clear that a game developer was dating the journalist that reviewed her game. The site has looked into these claims and found that, despite what you might think, it was all cool and there was no foul play, says that gaming news site about themselves. Guess that's that!"

>>55290471

>here, lemme post one study

>>55287691
I'm a supreme oldfag (from before /tg/ was a board) and this is exactly how I feel about it too.

>>55267967
no, presentation is shit format for any of this
png with simplistic coloing (line-art map) > jpg with texture or rich coloring (ye old map) > pdf > power gap > tex you need to compile before use > ppt

>>55291234
Point, counterpoint. I provided a peer reviewed study for my point, now you have the opportunity to do the same.
Or, you can keep evading.

>>55291330

That is my counterpoint.

You posted one study in which the details seem to be pretty vague.

>>55291344
http://www.pewinternet.org/2014/10/22/part-1-experiencing-online-harassment/
And now you need to say WHY it seems "pretty vague" to you. This can be done by searching the study for any weaknesses or errors, posting a study that supports your previous point, or evading more.

>>55291390

Oh I did read the story.

I'm reminded of an incident where someone argued to me that the US Government spends a tiny amount of money on the military, and they posted a peer-reviewed study just like you did.

However, on closer inspection, it was revealed that the study also included local governments into their study and overall graph.

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What the fuck thread have I just stumbled into

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>>55267967
>TFW your map unironically has Nordheim and Avalon on it.

>>55291405
Interesting story. Now YOU need to do that here. You can't just say "some studies are wrong and I don't like your study therefore it's wrong."

US military spending isn't that massive, considering how active it is compared to other world militaries. It was only 16% of total federal spending in 2015

>>55291491
If you're looking at it from a percentage of GDP, then yeah its not that big.

But the dollar value on its own is enormous.

>>55291390

>Online men are somewhat more likely than online women to experience some level of online harassment overall. Some 44% of men and 37% of women have experienced at least one of the six types of harassment. Men are somewhat more likely than women to experience certain less severe forms of harassment like name-calling and being embarrassed. At the same time, online men are also slightly more likely to have received physical threats.

Topical question: What do you guys use to draw your maps? Any recommendations? Inkarnate is okay and easy to use but it really lacks customization and all my maps end up looking the same.

>>55277093
For some reason this made me go "d'awww". Never thought I'd get emotional over a fucking meme, let alone this one.

>>55288039
Exactly this. It's also how SJWs work. (SJWs not as in "any progressive whatsoever", but as in the rabid anything-for-the-Cause pseudo-activist kind).
It's still kinda depressing that Quinn's manipulative, abusive behavior was completely forgotten once she started getting harassed. The proof's out there but how many people know about it? And how many people will even touch it after it's been poisoned by association with GG nonsense?

>>55280024
>please tell me this is the majority of /toy/
Not really, no.

>>55282393
>I'd rather have quests.
This

>>55286612
>I miss the tg relevant quest. I dont miss the metric asston of weeabo shit quest or the blatant videogame rip off ones.
>House and dominion just isnt the same without fa/tg/uys and the occasional/k/omando
Also this

>>55287263
>This. Quests weren't so bad, because they didn't spill out of their threads.
But mostly this.

>>55291491

But I did just do it here.

For example, did they pay attention to what kind of websites the reviewed people were doing?

Also is 2,000 people really a large enough sample size for, let's say, the entire fucking world?

No thought was actually put into this study outside of "let's through out some questionnaires and see what happens."

>>55282584
>But you see Anon, just because someone disagrees with you, or you don't like something doesn't make it /pol/.

Nah, but when every thread on /tg/ with a picture of a non-white person in the OP fills up with /pol/tards hooting and chimping out about Antifa, that makes it /pol/. It's cute how /pol/tards think that if they just keep insisting that the constant wave of shit is just in our imagination, people will stop telling them to go back to /pol/.

>>55292415

This.

>>55292364
The fact that quests were banned but the CYOAs are still allowed to live is baffling

>>55282509
>we got a /pol/ mod about a month ago and its been noticeably shit since

>>55282556
>I suspect he was the one who wanted quyests gone. The /tg/ is /pol/ wasn't nearly so bad while quests were here.

You're probably right. I've found that when a thread derails into /pol/ garbage, it can stay up all night long, but as soon as people start complaining about quest threads being banned from /tg/, the thread is deleted.

So in short, if you see a /pol/ thread on /tg/, just get people talking about quests and the thread will quickly be pruned.

>>55292415
Nobody want to go back to /pol/ anymore.
It's full of redditors now.

>>55292448
>Turning into a thread to what should be on /tg/ thread
CYOA don't take up a quarter of the board

>>55279187
FIREBALLS AND LIGHTNING ARE RAINING FROM THE SKY
CHAOS AND BLOODSHED WHILE ALL THE PEOPLE DIEEEEE

>>55292415
>g-go back to /pol/ pls
>/pol/ ruined this site
Kek, the virgin response.

I miss the time when -4 STR threads weren't /pol/ and just plain old grognardism/trolling/arguing.

>>55292448
>The fact that quests were banned but the CYOAs are still allowed to live is baffling
It's simple: the mod didn't have an opinion about CYOAs.

>>55292532
>CYOA don't take up a quarter of the board
Neither did quest threads.

Now is the time when you post a screencap of ten filtered threads, some of them quest threads.

>>55288771
>And in all fairness, most of her character arc so far is her own neuroses fucking her over and having to be bailed out of her mistakes by actually competent people.
>Character is completely incompetent
>everybody has to put up with her because PLOT
lol
and you think this makes it BETTER?

>>55292532

Neither did quests. Were you even here when quests were around?

>>55292611
Anon this is why I didn't say half the board like most antiquestsfags, they did take a bigger portion of the board unlike CYOA that are three threads at most. I actually would be okay with quest if they banned all non /tg/ related quests and let the other boards have their own quests (like /m/)

>>55292647
Anyone that uses the terms "desu", "honestly", "tbf", "to be fair", "in all fairness", "basically" and "essentially" are pseudo-intellectuals. I have never ever seen a post with those words in it that wasn't immediately garbage. These trash humans want to push their position of dissent as somehow equal to the majority opinion, which it is not necessarily equal. It's pure emotional manipulation, because if you against their argument, you're an unfair brute.

>>55292676

>let the other boards have their own quests (like /m/)

This

>>55292676

It's not like quests are gone entirely, there's a few decent quests running on /qst/ right now, sure, most of them are mediocre and it's a slow board, but it's fun all the same.

I like we're all pretending there isn't already a board for CYOA, Quest threads and whining about /pol/ and white males
>>>/trash/

>>55292736
eh, I'd argue desu can e legit simply because it's very much ingrained in board culture like in /a/, like >greentext.
But yes, otherwise I wholeheartedly agree.

>>55292798
Desu is a wordfilter, you fucking donut.

>>55288039
Which /pol/? /pol/ has always been as fragmentary as any other ideological community. From what I know there are the guys who were with /v/ in trying to save face after the serious issue was drown out by shitstorm deflection of bullshit identity politics and those who tried to keep focused on the media, and then there were the guys who ran off to join cripplechan in ramping that shitstorm up and going deeper down the mgtow abyss. Of course there's no clear dividing line between them but Ironically for a group focused on unity and rooting out outside influences they're often totally separate groups and they've become filled like a soaked sponge with external actors who claim to represent them as a whole. It was inevitable given the format of the site and the stuff they got involved with.

>>55292393
2000 people for the internet? No, but probably great sample for a single internet community at least which itself is probably a microcosm of the whole thing. You're not going to ever get a sample big enough to satisfy you if you want the whole world. Also there's not a better methodology than "throw out some questionnaires" so long as you're aware of what your sample represents. Even a study that only represents a smaller pop than they realized is still better than "Your study is wrong because it's not ideal" as arguments go.

>>55292811
huh, for what?

>>55292862
Lurk more, cunt

>>55292930
baka try not to be so hostily desu senpai
In all fairness not everyone can know all filters and by acting like this you're basicallly driving away people.
Essentially, everyone benefits from a nicer boardculture

>>55292811
>>55292930

Remove yourself, /a/nimal

>>55293024
>driving away people
If they can't take basic ass board banter and assimilate to our board culture, they need to go.

>>55292851

>2000 people for the internet? No

Excellent, so you agree it's a garbage study.

>>55277023
Yes, and? It's like you never saw mountain valley in your motherfucking life

>>55292393
>is 2,000 people really a large enough sample size for, let's say, the entire fucking world?
Yes, absolutely.

>>55293072
I smell a kike.

>>55293120

How so?

>>55293168
Statistics

>>55293126

Glad to see the dog knows when he's beaten.

>>55291446
I don't know, when I was here earlier it was fun.

>>55293184

Elaborate, boy

>>55291446
Jews.

>>55293072
No, it's not garbage. It's imperfect but still miles better than what you've provided.

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>>55267967
>Is map presentation important for you?
Presentation is important in as much as it does not interfere with a map's legibility. As nice as it would be to have a space/galactic map look like it came straight from some federation's computer mapping program or for a medieval map to have small pictures of monsters and where they be I will settle for something that is far more practical than it is aesthetically pleasing.

Also in regards to OP's image I would genuinely like to try drawing a map one day using MS Paint, crayons, and try to Photoshop the resulting creation into a rad fantasy map.

Image related is what I consider a good map.

>>55293231

>study doesn't even begin to hit a sample size representative of the people it claims to study
>not garbage

Present some evidence that isn't trash before you ask people for counter-evidence. I think that much should be obvious.

>>55293212
The necessary sample size isn't dependent on the population size.

>>55293277

Yes it is when you want to make a study claiming to represent evidence for something as expansive as the internet.

>>55293305
The study was of U.S. adult internet users living in households, it doesn't claim to be representative of all internet users.

>>55293398

So it's a useless study?

>>55293412
That group is a microcosm of the internet as a whole. Demonstrate that other populations are operating under inherently different dynamics regarding to gender and harassment. Otherwise it's reasonable to presume they're similar.

>>55293456
India

>>55292393
>did they pay attention to what kind of websites the reviewed people were doing
They did, and if you read the fucking survey. Women are more likely to use and be harassed on social media, while men have a hire usage/harassment on shit like forums and comment sections.

>>55276893
>Pizza pie
Please tell me the red lines aren't country borders.

>>55293610

>social media
>forums/comment sections

Wow, and you are satisfied with language that vague, huh?

>>55293610
Don't bother, you've already given more than pretty much anyone on the internet would reasonably give.

He's just being pedantic and will never be happy with the information provided.

>>55293471
I'm pretty sure the harassment of indian woman online can be put on the backburner, at least until they deal with the slightly more pressing issue of abnormal rates of gangrape.

>>55293653
I'm paraphrasing, but yes. I don't see how being more specific provides relevant information, but I'd love to hear your hypotheses.

>>55293274
Honey, you clearly don't understand how a debate works. He's provided a study that, while you may think is flawed, is clearly far more evidence than you are willing to give. Most of us see past this emotional crying you're going through and are still waiting for you to provide am argument. Thanks.

Also, 2000 people is plenty for a study. Take a rudimentary statistics course.

>>55293742
Oh, I see what he's doing. He's trying to make the thread reach the bump limit.

And here I though I was arguing with an idiot, when he was really a damned genius. Probably.

Damn, we've just been played like a damn fiddle.

>>55293747
> Demonstrate that other populations are operating under inherently different dynamics regarding to gender and harassment.
>I'm pretty sure the harassment of indian woman online

Moving goalposts

>>55293856
>is clearly far more evidence

The evidence has been proven to be complete crap.

Why bother talking about evidence that isn't credible?

If a blind witness says he saw a crime and you thoroughly investigate to make sure that the witness is talking as though he is not blind, then would you submit that witness to the court? Or would you dismiss the witness as a crazy person?

>>55294013
>"The very thought that my worldview could be wrong is as foreign to me as the idea of a blind man seeing"
Wow. Okay, never mind then: maybe this guy really is that thick.

>>55292676
>. I actually would be okay with quest if they banned all non /tg/ related quests and let the other boards have their own quests (like /m/)
I think almost everyone on /tg/ agrees with this.

>>55294120
The problem with meta threads is that instead of looking for a solution anons prefer to fight over the mods decision knowing full well they can't change it since it already happened.

>>55269451
>mfw I do a lot of Chad stuff

>>55294120
They really should have just let you "advertise" your quests on relevant boars. Like, if you're running a Fate/ quest, you can head over to /a/ and make a thread saying "hey, is anyone interested in the Fate quest I'm gonna be running in /qst/."

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>>55291473

if your map doesn't have a Nordheim you're pretty much making The Virgin Fantasy World fampai

>>55294170
People occasionally make Quest Thread General threads on /tg/. Before they're deleted, they're handy for gathering players, since almost everyone who plays quests are on /tg/, not /qst/.

>>55294170
I do remember some anons saying that there should be an advertisement thread on /tg/ thought there are some problems with this suggestion.

>>55293471
Is the internet culture in India drastically different? Can I get some proofs? Can I get any indication they get shit on more than male counterparts that constitutes actual data? Are Indian women even a sizable portion of the Internet?

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>>55269451
>the virgin one is relatable

>>55294392
see>>55286197

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>>55279924

>>55294157
I dunno, they still could change it if they buckled down and shitposted as hard and as long as antiquestfags did.
Just gotta whine continuously and at spam levels for a decade until a new establishment arises.

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>>55277232
>my leftwing opinions aren't being represented!

>>55267967
Somewhere between.
I into geology and geograpgy, but also try to imagine what effects magical terramorphing and similar effects might have.
On the other hand, plot>reality. If I need a jungle next to a desert, and can't come up with a good reason, then fuck it, they go together.

I have thrown up a random mountain without bothering to check if it makes sense if I need some dwarves.
I'm a MS paintfag, I do try and make some unique and subversive stuff, but I sometimes wallow in easy shit to move along unimportant parts.
I have had a land of Arabian Dwarves, I have also had a town of Halflings named Hobbitville.
I only worldbuild for fun and gaems, I don't mix worldbuilding with anything else. Occasionally I write narratives about a world, but these pieces only serve as backstory and history to the world, and aren't things I use elsewhere. Fuck energy drinks. Fuck tea. Fuck music and ambient sounds.
I build text walls, and nobody pays for them.
I do borrow, but then I run with it.
I can draft a setting in four hours, but then I refine it for a few weeks passively.

>>55294513
lol didnt notice. actually the middle continent is supposed to be a dragons head

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>>55294690
Reminds me of Dont starve

>>55294157
>The problem with meta threads is that instead of looking for a solution anons prefer to fight over the mods decision knowing full well they can't change it since it already happened.

But the only way to cause significant change on 4chan is to do what this anon says >>55294536
>they still could change it if they buckled down and shitposted as hard and as long as antiquestfags did.
>Just gotta whine continuously and at spam levels for a decade until a new establishment arises.

Questfags don't have the stomach for that because they're more interested in spending their time creating fun things rather than working to make sure other people are having less fun.

>>55294690
I really like the aesthetic of it.

>>55290471
Being stalked or sexually harrassed is worlds worse than being called offensive names or purposefully embarrassed.

>>55295135
Not really.

>>55277452
That one is my favorite.

>>55295135
But not worse than being physically threatened or harassed for a sustained period. At least online, anyway.

>>55279643

Be glad it is. It actually requires creativity.

>>55267967
>I just realized that I've done map designs for Chad

It's so fucking satisfying, honestly. Like he just gave me a short list and really general locations for everything, overall shape and geographic features included, and let me do my thing. When it was done we were really happy about it and he posted it to facebook and it got lots of likes and lots of compliments on my art skills. Overall one of the most positive experiences I've had with the hobby.

>>55295661

But did you follow the Virgin Worldbuilder method of the Chad Forger of Worlds method?

>>55295333
Not any more than literally any other meme.
I for one don't like memes spam on /tg/.

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>>55295693
Basically the chad method. Took less than an hour.

>>55295743

nice! almost looks about the right size for an elder scrolls fan expansion(if you have a mod team and several hundreds hours of spare time)

>>55295764
Thank you, apparently the setting is like if you mixed Poland and the state of Ohio.

>>55295743
what are the towers for?

>>55295810
As he explained them to me they're like fantasy Orwellian watchtowers that double as lightning turrets for blasting these big fuckoff dragons that like to show up ever few generations.

>>55294013
In an argument between the cunt with half the facts, and the cunt with zero facts, it's obvious who has the upper hand.

Find a better study or gtfo.

>>55296042
Well, let's give him the benefit of the doubt, after all he did show up to a battle of wits unarmed and complained it was unfair.

>>55295839
>actually preparing for something that happens every few generations
unrealistic/10

>>55296042
>the cunt with no facts thinks she has half the facts

>>55294079
Strawman

>>55286175
>implying you don't go somewhere else if otherwise forced to parallel park

>>55296921
>tfw you have to parallel park and you fuck up the angles and go on the grass and two qt grills are watching and laughing so you pull out and drive away

>>55294013
2000 people is indeed enough for programs to tell you something.
they even tell you the % of how likely it is they are wrong. if it is under 5% it can be seen as kind of correct. under 1% is when you publish your study.
not that yoy needed that info for flipping burgers idiot.
ive had a whole study destroyed by that shit because there were not enough people and the program said nah fuck you

>>55297178
Not enough sample size, improperly curated sample.

>>55292303
>Topical question: What do you guys use to draw your maps? Any recommendations? Inkarnate is okay and easy to use but it really lacks customization and all my maps end up looking the same.

Krita. It's kinda like Photoshop, but more oriented towards being a drawing canvass, rather than an all-in-one type deal

>>55282597
fuck what program made these

>>55297544
Pretty sure that's done by hand, anon

>>55297595
beautiful

>>55291473
I have Nordheim but I call it Njordheim.

>>55297671
I might steal that.

>>55294554
Yes you are proving him right.

>>55281175
THE

WORLD

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>>55281085

>>55276214
>afraid to die in the name of the gods
>chad
>pick one

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>>55267967
anyone else made a southern setting, or is everyones setting to the north?

>>55297686
why not just call it midgard?

>>55280018
If you put a lighter under it, it'll get nice dark outlines and may even look aesthetically pleasing.
Cum was used as invisible ink by spies throughout history.

>>55281175
That's a lot of fucking mountains my dude

>>55286201
Fuck no.

65 if we feel generous.

>>55299659
Dous south pole count?

>>55300309
yeah why not, ill take what i can get.

>>55288039
>And listen, I know this sounds far fetched, but if you understand how fascists recruit, this isn't new or innovative.

Oh look if it is some thing fascist did then it is a core defining part of what makes a fascist.

>Guess that makes anyone who supports animal welfare is a fascist.

Look the method that this poster talks about is some thing the fascists did, but when they did it was by no means new or innovative. A lot of people of rather different political backgrounds have done the same thing with different level of success. Fascist had great returns in that method sure, however they had great returns in a lot of different methods as well. After all they took over a great power inside of 3 years of becoming a thing, they had to have mass intake of recruits to do that.

If using that method makes someone a fascist that means that 18th century classical liberals were fascist. Think on that.

A true chad would never play an RPG though

>>55300552
>/pol/tard gets triggered when someone insults /pol/