MTG Story Lore Thread: Jace Land Editions

>>55254995
Well that's a nice looking beach.
Cudos to the artist.

I can't wait for Jace to start humping Vraska's leg.

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>>55255269
This whole block is compelling me to draw romance novel covers featuring swooning jace and vraska. Or perhaps just editing their faces over them. Either way.

>muffled Ocean Man in the distance

>>55255269
I found it kind of odd how quickly she went from threatening to kill him again to sympathy. It's odd based on how personal their last encounter was.

Is Vraska just Yandere?

I want Vraska to obtain the the power of the Immortal Sun and immediately betray Bolas.

>>55255413
I think it's less sympathy and more shock. Prior to this point, she'd always dealt with Jace as a prepared, relatively in control opponent who kind of outclassed her. It's the equivalent of a mid-tier supervillain walking down the street and seeing Superman sitting barely conscious in an alley, looking like he hasn't eaten in a week.

>>55255512
And what was their beef anyway? Was it all connected to ravnica? And if so does this mean that since they're on a different plane that they can't escape and Jace lost his memory that they'll work together?

I have to say I really like this article. I have a feeling that it's going to be enjoyable aaaallll the way through. Hopefully.

Meh, I don't like when they wipe their memories but they still retain them deep in their brains, like Tezzeret or Jace. At some point he'll remember everything and Bolas crushing his mind will be for nothing.

What swear did he say anons?

>>55255667
Huh, apparently her goal the first time was actually just to recruit him. She just did so in the incredibly Black assassin method of mass murder and threats of mass murder.

I wonder if she's about to lie and tell Jace that he's her cabin boy or something.

>>55255667
>>55255759
Yeah, Vraska's deal was that she wanted to end the guilds, because of the fact that all of them are kind of amoral assholes, and also she got a face full of police brutality. She just managed to make her recruitment pitch the least diplomatic thing ever, so Jace outed her plans to everyone and ruined her whole setup.

>>55255745
In Tezz's case, it was Jace deliberately erasing every single memory he ever had, including the ones that let him know how to do things like breathe. Bolas had to build him back from basically scratch. This time it's more just "shrug, undirected mind flay" from a disappointed Bolas, so its not quite as comprehensive.

With transform mechanic returning again they missed the opportunity for a cloak boy Jace to transform into a cabin boy Jace.

Liliana coming to save Jace only to find him completely enamored with Vraska with no memory of her would be neat.

>>55254995
I know we're just supposed to not think about it, but has anyone considered how ridiculous this is?

There are infinite planes in the multiverse, right? What are the chances that two people randomly planeswalking at different times, from different points, would ever randomly meet one another?

>>55255859
The same chances that everyone's initial Planeswalk always brings them somewhere perfect rather than dropping them in the middle of the ocean or in a volcano. Like how Chandra sparked and got to go to a pyromancer monetary, Lili got to go to Innistrad and master zombies, Gideon got to go to a place with lots of angels and knights, etc.

Generally when you planeswalk randomly, it seems like sparks themselves guide you towards where you 'need' to be almost.

In short, plot convienience

>>55255859
>implying Bolas did not kick Jace to Ixalan to meet with Vraska, whom he gave her compass
all according to Keikaku

>>55255859
Realistically, when you spark you'd have more chances stranding yourself in the blind eternities than actually hitting a plane, let alone a safe, nonhostile part of the plane.

>>55255834
Eh, he doesn't spend that long as cloak Jace in the set. If anything, I'd expect him to turn from Cabin boy Jace into his old self once he gets his memories back. That might be spoiling too much story in the first set though. I'm kind of glad transform is more limited here.

I'm starting to really like the idea of Vraska getting close to Jace. Can't be any less healthy than his relationship with Liliana, and at least Vraska has Green to help mellow her out.

>>55256003
Maybe that's how the eldrazi titans came to be.

>>55255747
My guess is "Poops."

>>55255808
In that case it would be interesting for them to team up

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From a reply to this story on MTG's twitter

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>>55256157
We need more.

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I'm just hoping for a gratuitous amount of porn fics of Jace being Vraska's little cabin boy bitch

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>>55256222
>magic
>having good lewds

Pick one

>>55256222
>>55256270
Well then, guess we have to make it happen.

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So we know that Ixalan is a prison plane for planeswalkers. We also know that all of the planeswalkers (including Bolas) are looking for the Immortal Sun. This makes it pretty clear that the immortal sun will let them leave Ixalan. What if it is a spark, or a spark activator/implanter?

If this is the case, then this card also heavily implies we'll see a merfolk planeswalker next set

>>55256361
>implying wizards will print non-human planeswalkers
Apart from Ugin and Nicol Bolas, name a single non-human species that has more than one planeswalker. Kiora is all you're getting fishfag.

>>55256361
Do we know why Ixalan is a prison plane? Maybe Urza used it as a workshop plane a long time ago and made it so no one but him could Planeswalk there and then leave with his secrets, which could be The Immortal Sun.

I'm just spit balling here because Bolas has the Planar Portal and his Eternals, but now he needs some other all powerful item form another plane.

>>55256446
>Freyalise and Nissa
,':^)

>>55256541
Well I'd imagine the sun is what's keeping it locked, but what the hell else does it do?

What is Nicol's endgame?

>>55256446
Ajani, Tibalt, Sorin, Freyalise, Daretti, Ashiok, Dovan, Karn, Nahiri, Tamiyo, Vraska and Xenagos.

>>55256541
I like the thought that it's the reason Bolas sent Vraska instead, because he's not sure if he could Planeswalk away either.

>>55256446
Tamiyo
Ajani
Vraska
Nicol Bolas

>>55256446
Angarath is probably minoptaur.

>>55256612
Reread what I said anon.
>>55256570
Well shit you got me, I'm going to say "Elves aren't people", any response?

>>55256583
>>55256614
Maybe The Immortal Sun is just some magic item that binds Planeswalkers to planes like everyone on Ixalan. If he figures out how to weaponize it like the bridge, he could trap all other Planeswalkers on their respective planes, while him and his turbo mummies murdered around the multiverse as the only actual Planeswalker.

>>55256570
>>55256612
>Freyalise
They said 'nonhuman'
Just because she's part elf doesn't negate the fact that she's also part human

>>55256446
Fuccbois aren't human.

>>55256676
The condition wasnt that the walker isnt human at all, the condition was that they have matching nonhuman species

In the Ixalan podcast, they mention that Vraska has grown a bit because there's now someone who believes in her, whatever that means. Is that person going to be Jace?

>>55256583
Does Bolas even have an endgame?At this point he might be in it for the trolling.

Is Jace's type supposed to be "powerful, black aligned, and will have no problems killing you if it conveniences them"? Because for all the talk about how he's not supposed to be a self-insert character I can self-insert that pretty well.

>>55256993
I assumed it was the Golgari character from her story from before Amhonket.

>>55257076
I think they implied it was someone on ixalan. Or maybe it's just Bolas

>>55254995
>Jace goes on vacation to Cancun

>>55256270
Why is Magic so lacking in the lewd department? Its really popular and it's been around forever.

>>55256993
>Jace: "I believe in you captain."
>Vraska's glowing green blush intensifies.

>>55256222
>>55256318

https://pastebin.com/SZ9tDFFM

>>55254995

I demand a land card called "Useless Island"

Better if legendary

>>55257352
No one knows. Professional artists are saying "I better do more rule 34 of mtg!" But it hasn't caught on just yet.

Whatever the case is, the only solution is to just request it more.

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>>55257380
Well we cant have writesmuttery without art can we?

>>55257352
The porn artists are typically the artists of the cards. Oops.

>>55257442
"HOW PROGRESSIVE A REVERSAL OF TROPES" - MaRo

>>55257383
Useless Island
Land
T: Useless Island becomes the basic land type of your choice and gains this ability. If you control a Jace, untap Useless Island.

>>55257442
Well done.

>>55257380
That was good, but I can't help but picture this during.

>Meanwhile with Vraska's crew...
>"Ey, what you think that captain's been doing with that castaway we found?"
>"Judging by the noise, I'd say everything."

>>55256993
She became best friends with the golgari bugman.

>>55257397
>>55257451

>>55257380
Vraska best girl. Fuck Liliana and her old lady cooch.

>>55257496
Glad you liked it. I figures the crew would be scratching their heads at all this, or at least placing bets on how long it would be before she walks out with a stone statue of him.

>>55255667
>Jace gets a yandere medusa waifu
>They team up to hinder Bolas' plan
>Eventually encounter him with Liliana as an unwilling underling
>Catfight ensues
>Jace doesnt even know why they fighting over him

Jace once again proves to be the best waifu.

>>55254995
Story theme: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y0RB_AEHHso

>>55257847
She's not even that yandere, she just has no concept of interacting with people that doesn't involve threats or blackmail, because she's been on Ravnica so long. She really just needs a big hug.

>>55257936
>inb4 Vraska sacrifices herself to save Jace

I wonder if this is where Garruk is hiding.

>>55257847
I like the idea of a romance blossoming where neither party is a toxic influence on the other

>>55257936
She certainly feels like a more sympathetic Black character than Lili, whose suffering all comes from her own deals with demons.

I wanna hug Vraska and boop her snake hair

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>>55257991
It's sweet honestly. I hope it happens.

>>55258025
Who is the Gorgon next to Ashiok?

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Will they fuck up her new card?

>>55258122
Hythonia the Cruel, from Theros.

>>55258122
I think that's either supposed to be Hythonia.

>>55257982
I honestly don't know if they ever bring Garruk back. His goal is killing Walkers and we can't have that. Also he gives off a white, rapey, serial killer vibe full of toxic masculinity.

>>55258275
What if this plane is Garruk's perfect hunting ground.

Planeswalkers come in and never come out.

>>55258275
I want the return of Garruk to be a set that focuses on both a walker that's never met him before, and in a setting in which he ends up being kind of a supporting character, the interactions with the other walker helping to help reassert his humanity. Like him running into Tamiyo and going on comfy ruin-hunting adventures, while he goes out and punches baloths, or Kiora, where they get in giant shitfits over who gets to keep/kill the krakens.

>>55255389
Jace better be the one swooning though, Vraska just doesn't seem like the type to swoon for someone.

>>55258275

simple

the jacetice league convince him that Bolas is the ultimate prey

it's like throwing a giant wrench into a meticulously crafted castle of cards

>>55258328
I want Garruk to meet Kaya and Samut

>>55258420
Bolas convinces Garruk that Ugin is better prey- why kill a dragon when you can kill a dragon thats managed to come back from the dead

>>55258328
That would neat, but I think Garruk is a bit far gone to be redeemed, as he's embraced what he's become.

He would have been a perfect Gatewatch antagonist. Not some massive sweeping multiplaner threat, but still a danger since he targets walkers. A small group of the watch getting hunted and outsmarted by one predator.

Throw Liliana in there to get more proper development as she has to deal with the mistrust of the watch since it's her fault that Garruk became this way, and observe as she eventually comes to want to help him since it all ties to the Veil.

>>55258485
Ugin would convince Garruk to kill Bolas because Bolas was the one who had killed him in the first place.

>>55255747
FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU-

>>55255747
HANDHOLDING

>>55257380
Well whatever next weeks story is actually about, its not going to be as good as this

>>55258506
Bolas could pretty much use him as an unknowing lackey, pointing him to threats to be taken care of.

>>55258521
This made me audibly lol good job

>>55258538
Thanks! The interaction did flow kind of naturally, since Vraska struck me as someone who would actually be sympathetic towards those weaker due to her guild and past, just not showing it. Meanwhile, have Jace lose his memory makes it possible to start over convincing him fresh. It would no doubt lead to drama once he gets his memory back, but thats just more fun.

Of course, realistically he's just gonna be stuck on their crew for 5 minutes until he meets a Merfolk and goes off to be a big nerd and get his memories back.

>>55255413
>>55255512
Vraska has a strong sense of...not justice, exactly, but something akin to it. People should pay what they owe and deserve to suffer consequences. Jace being humbled as he is means that he no longer pings her radar as being undeserving of his station.

>>55255859
Jace's recent memories included interacting with Bolas, and a conversation with Ral about how Vraska was planeswalking to somewhere that didn't exist. Between those two things, it's not entirely unreasonable for him to have unconsciously latched onto some kind of trail left by Vraska holding Bolas's compass.

>>55258983
I guess it's a sort of Green/Black eye for an eye sort of deal? I think it suits her well. I also think it's the kind of Black Jace could actually get behind

>>55259183
>Black Jace
You mean Jaequan

>>55259183
Dimir jace could cool

>>55259238
Jace is canon U/W or Esper

>>55259238
>>55259261
Yeah, Jace currently leans more White with his present iterations, although with the current set and how often he gets amnesia, I could see him being Simic as well now.

Either way, the idea of him and Vraska teaming up is a fun one.

>>55259304
>4C atraxa jace when

>>55259304
>>55259309
Jace likes to manipulate/change mana too much to be green.

>>55259238
>>55259304
>mindwiped Jace follows Vraska because she can tell him about his past
>Vraska is looking for something on the plane under Nicol Bolas' instruction
>at the end of the block they work together to find it and Vraska encourages Jace to follow her as she planeswalks away
>they appear before Bolas with the prize, who quickly catches on
>Nicol Bolas offers to 'restore' Jace's memories for his help
>Jace now remembers being a secret spy of Bolas's inside the gatewatch as a supplanting over his real memories
>Bolas' other servants buy it because he's Bolas
Dimir Jace.

>>55259648
Gideon: Jace, you can't stop me. I need to-
Jace: It's time to die Jura
Gideon: I need to save Martha
Jace: ?!

>>55259648

>The gatewatch then kill him for his betrayal.

FUND IT.

>>55259680
>killing the best member of the Gatewatch
#sad desu

>>55259727
>Jace
>Best member of the Gatewatch
That's not how you spell Ajani

>>55255747
NIIIIIGGEEE--

>>55259918
Ajani isn't attractive to me though

>>55259671
K E K
E
K

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>>55258128
there is no doubt about it, the question is how much will they fuck up her card.

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>>55256318
Your wish, my command.

>The cabin door slammed shut behind them. Jace staggered forward a few paces, hands bound tightly behind his back. Glancing up, he was greeted with a vision of ramshackle opulence. //Opulence.// Another word from a forgotten past, dredged from the depths of his brain. It seemed apt. He stood in a wide, spacious room cluttered with chests, charts, assorted weapons, wardrobes stuffed with lace and satin, gaudy tapestries, exotic furniture, and... statues?

>A firm hand on his shoulder jerked him out of his reverie. His captor marched him to the centre of the room, then shoved him face first onto an enormous, ornate four-poster bed. Vraska stood over her prisoner with a calculating look in her eye.

>"Let me ask again. What the hell happened to you, Jace? You're the last person I expected to run into." The gorgon leaned down and tugged Jace onto his back. She grasped his chin and moved closer, examining his face.

>/Jace,// the prisoner thought. //My name is Jace.// Somehow, it seemed to fit, perfectly, like an old jacket worn smooth and threadbare. He relaxed, and a faint smile played across his face, despite his discomfort and exhaustion.

>Vraska sighed.

>"You really are a mess. Oh, I've fantasized about having you at my mercy, but this is just... pathetic." Idly, Jace noticed that some of the gorgon's hair-tendrils were clenching and unclenching, as if agitated. //Irritation? Bemusement?//

"Do you... did you know me?" Jace asked, slowly.

>Vraska pursed her slender lips and grimaced. She perched on the edge of the bed and continued to scrutinise her prisoner, tracing a long-fingered hand along his collarbones and along his arm. Jace twitched at the gorgon's touch. The sensation of skin on skin was familiar, and yet so new.

>"Oh, I know you, Beleren. It's been a while, though. And we've had our differences." She sniffed at his neck, then drew back his shirt with a thumbnail.

https://pastebin.com/8pABEfGp

>>55260440
>"You really are a mess. Oh, I've fantasized about having you at my mercy, but this is just... pathetic."
my dick

>>55257380
>>55260440
I really am okay with that.

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>>55259936
>not wanting to be pounded into a drooling, panting mess by this gorgeous, off-model, hunk of prime feline beefsteak
Are you gay or just retarded?

>>55260731
Jace and Vraska is a cute combo. Shame it'll never actually go anywhere

Why is no one talking about the obvious Azorius guild symbol holding jace from planeswalking away?

>>55261052
Because it isn't? There's 4 points on that ring even if you're trying to see a triangle, and its orange rather than blue

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>>55259671

>>55259671
Is this a reference to Batman V Superman?
>>55260440
Also this was pretty good but yeah those typos

>>55261203
What's this meme?

>>55261372

Anime.

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>>55261157
Oh. Sure. You're right. They look nothing alike.

>>55257020
Bolas' endgame is being shoehorned into the end of every fucking arc to say "keikaku" to give the illusion of structure to the story.

>>55261541
They really don't. The Azorious symbol is a triangle with tunic circles in it. That symbol above Jace is circles, with one of the rings having 4 distinct points on it. Thus, not a triangle, not Azorious.

>>55255413
Vraska never hated Jace personally, she hates 'the man'. It just happens on Ravnica that's exactly what Jace is. Here on Ixalan he's just a regular joe in a shitty situation.

>>55261598
It's the base of a pyramid

>>55261566
You mean exactly three story arcs so far, Alara, Kaladesh and Amonkhet (which really only count as one, since Kaladesh is a lead-in to Amonkhet)?

>>55256003
Funnily enough that's what happened to Vraska. She spent like 20 years in a state of nothingness following her first walk.

>>55261814
It was only 2 years, I think, and that always steuck me as rather off with how easy it can be to just picture your home and get back

>>55257352
Wizards has a surprisingly active legal team that shuts that shit down really quickly.
Not even joking i've seen a couple artists get cease and desists over magic smut.

>>55262063
Maybe it's because Ravnica doesn't feel like home? It's a place she's spent her life in hiding and being persecuted.

>>55256541
Locking a plane isn't that hard. Feroz locked Ulgothra on a whim and Azor locked Ravnica through the original Guildpact and he wasn't even a walker.

Maybe Bolas wants the sun to lock walkers into the planes he plans to conquer so they won't go around telling on him.

>>55262154
That might be the case. Could be why she didn't have enough fond memories of it to spur her into leaving, even compared to the shadow realm.

Still, her time there was enough for her to hone her skills as an assassin, apparently, so it couldn't have been all bad.

>>55256993
Mazirek in Ravnica is plotting a revolution thanks to her. And in Ixalan she has a whole fleet of pirates following her.

She realized her leadership skills may be more useful than her murdering skills.

>>55261808
Also Tarkir, to kill Ugin for shits and gigs, which also contibutes to his machinations of seeing the Eldrazi freed

>>55262244
That's Bolas doing something in the background, not him showing up at the end of an arc to reveal everything is going as planned.

>>55257991
>beta boy
>non-toxic relationships
kek

>>55262063
Well it really depends on if the planeswalker WANTS to go home.

With all of the members of the (most likely defunct) gatewatch, something super-duper sad happened, making home a more foreign place that is emotionally scarring: Gideon kills his friends, Chandra's parents die, Liliana damns her brother by turning him a zombie, Nissa sees emrakul in all of her sexy hulking glory, Jace literally forgets his past and kills his mentor that betrays him by making him FORGET HOW TO BREATHE, and ajani's brother dies and his pride blames ajani the albino outcast.

However, just because an experience is shocking and traumatic, it doesn't equal a commitment from the planeswalker to not return home: Kiora got swallowed by a leviathan and it took her months to find her way back to her home plane of zendikar, narset, after finding out that clans that were ruled by humans, willed herself to stay on tarkir when her spark ignites, and samut's spark ignites after all of the trauma, sees starts for the first time and then returns home.

In conclusion I'm not sure I guess I know too much about planeswalker origin stories and I like to share my knowledge maybe

>>55262310
Well, that's a fair point, but Nissa didn't stay gone for very long, since she hung around Lorwyn for a relatively short while until getting out just before the Aurora.

Still, it isn't entirely consistent, and it does seem easier for some than others.

>>55257965
pls no

>>55258506
>Garruk procedes to kill both of them

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>>55254995
The full Map of Ixalan was accidentally posted on the wotc site.

>>55262464
>lost city of gold
>right Fucking there

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>>55256361
It's a Spirit Dragon.

Was figured out pretty quickly.

The seal on Ixalan has similar design for Ugin's Eldrazi seal , The Sun Empire heirogylphics have images of Ugin and other dragons that look like Ugin, and The Immortal Sun can produce Dinosaurs just like Ugin's Dragon Storms made Dragons

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>>55261541
The fuck are you on?

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>>55262464
So is Orazca supposed to be the lost city? I know it has a card already so that makes me dubious.

I wonder which is Jace's island, probably one of the ones in the top right

>High and Dry
>Probable Tortuga type city
>tfw we won't get any wench depicting cards

>>55262489
What was SUPPOSED to happen is as the story went on, they would post more and more of the map, until we discovered Orazca just as the characters did.

WOTC stupidly did the old 4kids trick where they just had each version listed as ixalamap1-1.jpg etc so all reddit had to do was replace the numbers int he url to get the full map

>>55262489
Surrounded by mountains and what is presumably a dense jungle full of things that will murder you.

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>>55262508
Its a bunch of Pirate ships floating together
>>55262508
Yes, the thaumatic compass leads to it by tracking its aetheric azimuth

>>55262520
Yeah the pirates have the best acess since they have a straight naval route, and then just a jungle hike, the mountains block it off from other factions.

Probably why Vraska was headed up the river when the Merfolk pushed her shit in

>>55262199
Azor may not have been a planeswalker, but he made the fucking Guildpact powerful enough to affect the whole plane and stay functional for millennia. That's on par with Sorin's faith-powered Waifu spell on Innistrad, the Three's cage for the Eldrazi on Zendikar, or Urza's legacy project. He may not have had a spark, but he was at least as powerful as the folks who do.

>>55258408
Also, Vraska is a pirate, and Jace is in distress.

>>55258420
It's Bolas season
>>55258485
It's Ugin season
> > 55258506
It's Bolas season
Congrats you made Garruk into Elmer Fudd.

>>55262559
I'd imagine with how mountainous it is, there might be some waterfalls to worry about as well. It does feel a bit odd for a lost city to be so central though. I was half expecting it to be underground or in the clouds or something, with set 2 having sky piracy

>>55262464
Where's Useless Island

>>55262464
>Reminder that the continent, named Ixalan, is on the plane, named Ixalan
Creative team knocks it out of the fucking park again

Maybe three new worlds in 18 months was too much. Good thing the next set is a Return block.

>>55257380
Does she butt fuck him with her tentacles?

Also Vraska 101% has petrified dicks as sex toys.

The trailer has her using stone body parts as weapons

>>55262613
Just because the art for her in Jace vs. Vraksa has her surrounded by petrified naked men doesn't mean anything anon.

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>>55262587
The waterfalls are based

>>55262613
That comes after the chaste kissing, handholding, and sex in the missionary position that would be for procreation if they were the same species.

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>>55256993
It's actually Mazirek-kun

https://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/magic-story/pride-kraul-2017-05-31

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>>55260440
>He forced himself to look, and there she was, face inches above his, those alien eyes boring into his. Her lips tightly shut, her cheeks puffed and flushed and bulging just a little with his trapped seed. Slowly, deliberately, without breaking eye contact, Vraska swallowed. And then she smiled, like a predator.
I demand you give us more

>>55262588
>>55262508

Jace's island is the chain above the word "The" in "The Sun Coast". It's the only part of the map officially released.

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>>55262517
Man that's fucking lame, great marketing WotC.

>>55262464
The presence of the Vampire conquistadors means there's much more to Ixalan than just this continent.

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Vraska in my mind this block until proven otherwise.

>>55262824
The Ixalan Worldbuilding Video

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nWDkvRSkF00&feature=youtu.be

>>55262824
Ixalan the Island Continent, not Ixalan the plane it's on.

>>55262839
This also means Jace is a bellydancer until proven otherwise

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>>55262517

>WotC fucking up

Someone post the picture, you know the one

>>55262839
Imagine the outrage if Nielsen put her in that outfit for her planeswalker card.

I never knew i wanted VraskaxJace to be a thing

>>55262379
Yeah I was going to point that out but it seemed like nissa had to want to go back home or something

>>55262699
I do hope they continue this, but that's mostly because Mazirek is my boi. Fucking love that deck
>>55258128
I'm hoping for the "dumb 4 ability walker" they seem to enjoy now.
>>55258498
Too bad they would fuck it up if they did it
>>55259648
I wish

>>55262517
Still not as bad of a mismanagement of suspense as not expecting anyone to guess it was Emrakul fucking up Innistrad all along.

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>>55262839
>>55262976
While we haven't seen her PW card yet, we have seen Vraska in at least one card and she's clearly wearing her Scary Pirate Outfit

>>55263039
We're over halfway to finishing Jace's B/x harem. Liliana as B, Teysa as BW, Vraska as BG.

>>55263113
There were enough red herrings, more interesting options, and wild impossible hopes that it wasn't THAT certain of a thing. I personally had my fingers crossed for Marit Lage, or an as-yet-unknown or recently-reawakened forth Titan.

>>55263113
Apparently wotc believed only the engaged would notice that.

They may be right.

Almost no one here pointed out it's obviously Ugin(or another spirit dragon) behind the Ixalan stuff

Where are you people seeing Ugin? Please tell me it's more than just, "Ugin kinda looks like he has feathers."

>>55263113
>>55263221
Yeah, they did put in a few false clues like that one Phyrexia symbol, or just the possibility that it might be some more standard Horrors from the deep.

Eldrazi was obvious, and I remember reading the exact plot of the setting note-for-note down to the name months beforehand on /tg/, because it's that obvious of an idea, but they did at least try to keep it a bit subtle.

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>>55263253
https://vorthosjay.tumblr.com/post/165052876136/sarpadianempiresvol-viii-i-know-i-wrote-about

You can also see Ugin as the quetzal in the Sun Empire Glyphs

>>55262493

>>55263221
It was a Lovecraftian horror set where there was a huge cthulu shaped hole in the lore and tentacles everywhere.

I did like Nahiri silver surfing the fuck out shit though.

And the twist at the end

God, is this Ugin's Amonkhet, a place where he stored the immortal sun and made it so no one planes walk away...
I just hope he's not a jobber...

>>55263360
I think the seal is to protect the Sun.

Makes it impossible for anyone to take it off Ixalan.

>>55263315
If Ugin was GWR anyone point, what if he was Vaevictus Asmondi before he transcended his color?

>>55263604
Vaevictus is Jund, not Naya. You're thinking of Palladia-Mors. In any case, not a chance.

>>55263264
Ravnicanon does good work, yes.
They should hire him for the creative team

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>>55263790
I miss Ravnicanon

>>55263315
>>55263604
Ugin seems too blue for that, in my opinion. Likely GUR

>>55262691
>implying interspecies can't happen

>>55263897
I don't think we've ever gotten an answer on it lore-wise, and I doubt we ever will. Although granted, I haven't seen any male gorgons, so maybe it does work that way.

>>55263853
What about Ugin is red? His whole character is telling annoying kids to stop being so impatient and reckless.

>>55263935
He's a dragon

>>55263604
I'm of the theory its just another spirit dragon, like Ugins kid. not the "essence of his color" or whatever nonsense.

SI that even a thing established in mtg lore?

>>55263940
He's from Tarkir, a plane where Dragons can be mono- or dual-colored in every color, not necessarily including red. More importantly, his character is not remotely red.

>>55258128
I just want it to be under 6 mana.

>>55262517
>Spoil half the money cards 3 months before release
>Spoil the neat map trick we thought up
Fuck you may as well just leak the script for the story now you fucks.

>>55264145
Have gets his memories back because catman
Vraska gets her hand on ugin's immortal sun
Spirit Dragon goes full amonkhet.

>>55263935
It's less 'he's red' and more 'he feels GU and UR combined' to me.
'OH SHIT these colorless worldeater things are cool, gotta study them. But they might be important and someone might kill them...let's talk someone into protecting them. Okay, studied them, bored now, let's go back to fucking around with the dragon experiment, gotta keep everything in balance there, dragon-shitting cloud formations don't reach equilibrium by themselves after all.'

So chances that you think Jace and Vraska hook up or at least forge some kind of deep friendship even after Jace regains his memories? And how much do you want it to happen?

>low
>I NEED IT

>>55265259
It'd be something I'm not expecting, so assuming they write it well, I'm gonna call this one an I NEED IT.

>>55265259
Before he regains his memories, I feel like they're going to establish something of a rapport. Someone is going to have to show him the ropes, and Vraska knows full well how helpful he'd be.

I fully expect them to part at some point, either during a battle with him getting lost and getting his memories back shortly after, or him deciding to leave before she betrays him.

In either case, I think there is a chance that he'll try and convince her to betray Bolas during the inevitable scene when everyone shows up in the Immortal Sun treasure chamber at once.

However, unless they've really thought this through and plan to do something clever, then I expect them to go with her saying no before the thing breaks and spoils whatever plan this was supposed to be. At the same time though, maybe the time they spent will be enough, her green side will remind her of her care for others, and she'll join up with him for the finale. Maybe even join the Gatewatch, but with two green members already I find that much more dubious.


As for want, I really really really want to see this. Vraska is a much more compelling Black character than Liliana is, plus her motives actually do seem to align with the sort of thing the Gatewatch is worried about. I mean, Liliana literally only joined because Jace begged her and because she could get something out of it. Vraska seems like she'd be far more interested in freeing planes from disaster or tyranny. I mean, imagine if she'd been at Kaladesh. She'd be all over an revolt to tear down the Consulate. Similar case with Amonkhet actually. Less likely to laze around commanding mummies and more likely to actually dig into the populace's weird death cult and be suspicious of the gods.

It'd be refreshing to have a Black character who was actually trying to do justice, even if it is in the most horrifying way.

>vampire conquistadors

MUH BLACK LEGEND

SPANISH DINDU NUFFIN

>>55265351
Whitey seems to be more upset about the vampires not being outright cartoonishly evil than any hispanic does.

>>55265391

watch the pax panel discuss the vampire conquistadors, the MTG design team is practically TRIGGERED by how PROBLEMATIC their own setting is

they gave the sun empire iron armor because giving them dinosaurs isn't enough, they can't be stone age otherwise it would be OFFENSIVE

>>55265391
It seems like the bitching has gotten worse even though this set seems less like social justice cancer than the past two. Am I missing something?

>>55265419
Nigga do you have a timestamp? I'm not sitting through that dumb shit.

>>55265427

starts around the 7 minute mark

>>55263973
>>55264541
Ugin's big slam is UG, but his baseline is R.
W is stuff he's cribbed from Nahiri, with maybe a splash of B influence from Sorin.
Look at his abilities, read some cards.

>>55265419
>>55265427
Yeah, hispanics are super chill because they see themselves in both the natives and the conquistadors. But middle class white women from Seattle are still biting their nails about how offensive and dangerous this setting is.

Goes to prove once again that SJWs are drama whores with no grasp on reality who don't give a shit about what minorities think.

>>55265540

That doesn't surprise me one bit.

>>55265499
These people are all fucking idiots. Every time this man says "tropespace" I want to strangle someone.

>>55265575
Also, since I posted too soon, the way they fetishize these vampires being killed is kind of disturbing.

>>55265584
>>55265575
Everything about these people was disturbing, it's like being a marxist sociopath is a curricular requirement to work in games nowadays.

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>>55266533
I would be her cabin boy any day.

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>>55260440
nice

>>55262508
You've got the JaceWench.
WotC wouldn't like it if you accidentally went heterosexual on them, would they?

>>55256446
Slobad and Daretti.

>>55267486
Slobad isn't a walker. Glissa was the one with the spark.

>>55262608
Who actually names the planes, in universe?

>>55267496
He got her spark during the events of Fifth Dawn.

>>55267547
I thought her spark was used to channel a fuckton of green mana that blasted the shit out of Memnarch and created the Green Sun.

>>55267555
Yeah, after Slobad got it. He then used it for that.

If Slobad hadn't gotten it, Memnarch would have, and then Memnarch would've won.

>>55267518
Planeswalkers name them using the information the locals tell them
So if the PW ask a local what's the name of the continent/planet and the local answer Ixalan/Ravnica, that becomes the name of the plane

>>55262608
I blame two-sets blocks.
That shit was retarded from the start.

>>55267560
Wait a sec, I just read a summary and Glissa summoned the green mana in the Tangle to kill the Kaldra avatar and create the Sun. It says nothing about Slobad getting it.

>>55267566
Yeah, but how is that information disseminated? One person lands on Ixalan and gets told it's Ixalan, another person lands in Vampire Spain and they tell them it's whatever the word for Vampire Spain is. Do those planeswalkers duel over which name gets used and then they cc every other planeswalker in a memo?

>>55267579
https://mtg.gamepedia.com/Slobad

I misremembered myself. Slobad was responsible for the vanishing, not the Green Sun.

>Much to Slobad's surprise, her spark was accidentally transferred to his battered form, which was restored to perfection for the first time in years. He found himself with the godlike powers that Memnarch had sacrificed so many for, but to his even greater shock, he came face to face with the planeswalker who had created Mirrodin itself. Karn. Karn offered to make Slobad his apprentice, but without Glissa, he saw no point in going on. Instead the goblin gave up the spark to resurrect all the people killed on Mirrodin and send them home.

>>55267590
Huh, alright then. So I guess the gobbos did have a brief walker.

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>>55256446
Ajani and Lord Windgrace.

>>55267582
This is the same setting where even post-Mending, planeswalkers never go through the process of having to learn a plane's language before they can even hope to communicate. Suffice to say, the finer details like that are lost on the writers.

>>55267582
>implying Ixalan, Innistrad and Kamigawa aren't all continents on the same plane

>>55262464
I love me a good lore map.

Why do people put more than one copy of a legendary creature in the deck?

>>55269358
The greatest mystery. But I have an answer:
>so the fuckboy can continue pubstomping my casual deck when I remove the first and second yasovas

>>55269379
It's only illegal to have two in play?

>>55269358
To have more chance drawing it and having replacements in case it's removed

>>55262464
>accidentally

>>55269396
It's not quite illegal, it's just that one will immediately die. If it's something with an ETB, you'll get the effect despite it dying.

>>55269396
What do you mean? The legend rules only applies to the battlefield
You can only have one legendary creature of a given name on the battlefield but up to 4, like any other card, in your library

>>55265419
I appreciate the warning. I'm a history nut so I'd get mad at their bullshit. And I dont want to be mad today.

>>55265351
>>55265391
>>55265419
What the fuck are you guys even talking about now?

Jesus christ I understand less than a half of the "political" bullshit you Murritards spout.

Can someone link where all of the middle class white people are losing their shit over conquistadors being a thing in MtG? I can't find it.

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>>55269831
This, americans are fucking weird. The worst thing is that they consider themself as the standard society.

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>>55270318
Not the standard society, just the superior one.

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>>55265419
What sucks is that originally it was supposed to be the Vampire Conquistador's story. But that idea was pitched 3-5 years ago before all this SJW bullshit got thrown into the game.

What made me actually mad is that the panel confirmed that anons theory that the vampires are mainly shown getting killed and maimed way more than pirates and the Not Aztecs since it's justice to the evil conquers. Also is it too much to ask for one just one sexy pirate girl.

>>55263828
what happened to him. He used to post all the time back when i quit for a short time, but now I'm back and he doesn't post anymore...

>>55270416
They show off literally four pieces of card art featuring the vampires being beaten up. One of the five images doesn't even feature vampires, it's the card art of Vraska's ship being attacked by merfolk.

Do you really think the other factions will have less than four cards featuring them getting beaten up by other factions? Do you really think that was anything other than a "conquistadors totally aren't our good guys" icebreaker?

It was just a show of submission to appease any troublemakers. There wasn't any actual substance in their display of vampires being beaten up. Don't get mad about nothing.

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>>55270568
Maybe I an just being paranoid, if you look at everything spoiled it's still vampire hate heavy, but things can change. I think I am just more butt hurt that there are no sexy pirates, you think they would pander to lesbians. But what ever just more Slay Queens in non revealing outfits.

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>>55270734
Actually went through and checked all of the cards for you.

8 cards show the Sun Empire and its dinosaurs getting defeated.
7 cards show the Legion of Dusk getting defeated.
6 cards show the Brazen Coalition getting defeated.
2 cards show the River Heralds getting defeated.

This is just so far and the vampires do come second, but another faction gets more hate than the vampires do.

So yes, you are just being paranoid.

>>55270734
>I think I am just more butt hurt that there are no sexy pirates, you think they would pander to lesbians. But what ever just more Slay Queens in non revealing outfits.
Yeah this is bullshit. I mean, how hard is it to draw a fucking sexy vampire pirate on the deck under the moonlight?
Hueg fuck up.

>>55270931
Dinosaurs killing each other for food hardly counts as them "being defeated" when compared to burning the living bodies of vampires.
Would two pirates dueling on a ship count as them being defeated?

>>55271433
It's still 'dinosaur hate' if it features dinosaurs getting their butts kicked, even by other dinosaurs. Besides, pirates and dinosaurs both have colors that promote internal conflict, something that vampires lack.

Let's have a look at the original post:
>What made me actually mad is that the panel confirmed that anons theory that the vampires are mainly shown getting killed and maimed way more than pirates and the Not Aztecs since it's justice to the evil conquers.

There's nothing there about creatures being beaten by other tribes. All he wrote about was 'vampires are mainly shown getting killed and maimed way more than pirates and the Not Aztecs.' Which is false, as the 'Not Aztec' faction does have more cards featuring its creatures being 'killed and maimed.'

Changing the argument to 'which faction is shown being defeated by other factions the most' would be moving the goalposts for the sake of getting the answer you want, which is 'vampires.'

>>55270931
In fact, they literally had a grid where they said they were going to show each side fighting each other side.

Wait, this is not Ixalan, but...
When Chandra's mother asked here where she was for all these years, what did she tell her?

>>55267590
I remember reading that book in 10th grade.

Slobad was too good for this world, huh?

>>55273458
He was certainly too good for the travesty that was New Phyrexia's story.

>>55273069
Scissoring with necromancers.

>>55257352
True, where is my Jace Yaoi?

>>55275510
>G-Gideon senpai, your Forbidding Watchtower is too big for my Halimar Depths

>>55258498
Genuinely good storyline. They could probably push Bolas for another set before finally "dealing" with him (in a no doubt temporary fashion) then another return to ravnica set with random new problems, then a "Garuk is hunting planeswakers one by one" set, another filler set and then circle back around to Eldrazi or Bolas again.

It never gets old.

>>55275579
>Return to Return to Ravnica
>Everything is shit because Jace has been gone for literally months

Next few settings will reintroduce the Gatewatch and provide possible new members.

As we know, next setting is Return to Dominiaria, with Liliana as our main character. Koth will be there too, and they'll bond over losing everything.

After that is a Wild Wild West/mad max post apocalyptic plane starring Chandra.

Then there's return to Theros with Gideon and Dack Fayden to rescue the now Angelspeth.

Then there's the Norse plane with Nissa and Thor and Odin and shit.

>>55276171
>Liliana as our main character. Koth will be there too, and they'll bond over losing everything

I'm tempted to make a BLACKED joke, but it doesn't work in the context of Magic, and I think the only thing Koth can get up is a Rage Hardon at New Phyrexia.

>>55276392
Someone mentions a white woman and a black man in the same sentence and the first thing that comes to mind is a BLACKED joke.

>>55276392
I was on mobile when I posted that, but when I realized that RtD would be the best place to reintroduce Koth (since he's been there before in Scars of Metal and his home plane is probably completely unlivable now), I was already formulating the BLACKED jokes.

Who else do you think will return in the upcoming few settings? I'm personally itching for some Ashiok.

Imagine Ashiok messing around on the Wild Wild West/Mad Max plane against Chandra.

>>55276171
Angelspeth vs Obby N when?

>>55276171
>>55276499
Just imagine Chandra in a cowboy/cowgirl outfit throwing spurts of flame at raiders while riding a scraped together vehicle as they race through a canyon.

You could have wise men Native American elves, 50s style robots/constructs wandering the wastes, ghost sheriffs, fuck just throw in a city built around the wreckage of a Statue of Liberty expy for a bit of Planet of the Apes flavor.

AI CARAMBA

WE WUZ DINOSAURS Y IRON WORKING Y MIERDO before the Conquistadors came and took it all away ese

>>55276621
None of this will ever happen because WotC forgot how to have fun.

>>55276171
Where is Ajani?

>>55276621
This sounds like a fucking mess, I'd rather not.

>>55275510
>>55275566
Clearly a Jace sandwich is needed. Let Liliana and Gideon compete for him.

>>55276171

Return to Dominaria sound interesting, BLACKED aside

Wild West will be another problematic tropespace(tm)

return to Theros would be lame unless they add more minor gods to the pantheon to keep it interesting

Norse plane would be cool if done right, but I expect them to make half the population arabs just like modern day norse countries amirite

>>55276682
bet they will come from a large unexplored continent where they had to flee from a war and even brutal vikings agreed that it would be inhumane to send them back?

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>>55276682
>tfw Amerifat and your gf is more pureblooded than most people in her ancestral land at this point

>>55276650
Idk, maybe show up for Theros. He's not a main member so he doesn't get a block to himself.

>>55276679
>not wanting Magic: The Gathering New Vegas with Dragons and Elves
What are you, a cuck?

>>55276171
>Then there's the Norse plane with Nissa and Thor and Odin and shit.

"Gods" are just oldwalkers that built the plane's religion around them thousands of years ago, but are closer to dying post mending. Their hold on the plane is slipping, and it's returning to its old form, making it a wild, chaotic place not unlike parts of Zendikar. Nissa's right at home, experiencing the rebirth of a plane, connecting with its mana, and watching a civilization experience what they think is !notRagnarok as their gods forsake them and die to the planes powerful new elementals and monsters.

Also, Valkyrie angels at low cmc! And good green and red warrior support. It's like how New Phyrexia shifted all colors to black, but red instead.

And more Nissa midriff!

>>55276499
>more Koth
>more Ashiok
I hope. I'm getting more Vraska, so maybe dreams do come true.
>capta had me selecting hammers

I wonder if one of the gatewatch members will get fucked up like Crovax, Urza, Memnarch, Glissa or other older magic characters.
Who the fuck am I kidding wizards think children play this game

>>55276844

... Planeswalker goes full on antagonist?

Garruk's done that.

>>55277090
And they haven't touched him in years.

>>55276171
>>55276392
>>55276442
>>55276499
>>55276682

By Magic rules it would be Koth getting BLACKED, not Liliana.

>>55276844
What Gatewatch character would that be?
hard mode: No Liliana

>>55277434
That's the pace with which old magic used to tackle its problems. How long had it been since we last saw bolas, and he's advertised as Magic's premier antagonist? I feel like you're implying that they're intentionally not using him anymore. I feel like it's pretty obvious they would set up "a dude that hunts planeswalkers, the most dangerous game" and then decide THAT'S how they shove him under a rug as we continue to follow planeswalkers.

>>55277090
A good counter-point, but Garruk is a lot less intense story-wise than a lot of older Magic characters. Yeah he was cursed, but he kind of grew to like it and go with it.

Compare that to killing your broken, twisted brother, spending 2,000 years in a vengeance-fueled delusional haze, being increasingly unable to value the people around you because you're too obsessed with the bigger picture, having your ideals twisted after another few thousand years of conflict, and dying to fulfill your purpose.

Or shirking your responsibilities only to find your family killed, trying to do the right thing and losing your love because of it, confronting a great evil and having to kill your loved one, being cursed with Phyrexian vampirism for your trouble, and being warped into a puppet bend on your own world's destruction.

Or hell Barrin. His wife was Urza's protoPhyrexian experiment, he had to live with all of Urza's mistakes, and his family dies.

>>55277434
Tragic. Wizards hates characters that change or aren't marketable to idiot children

>>55277507
I hope you can see how clearly and obviously you trivialized Garruk's whole arc versus how you described Urza or Crovax. The hypocrisy is so blatant it almost physically hurts me and I'm baffled how you could type that with a straight face and feel like your analysis was correct.

>>55277458
Would be cool to see one of them be turned into some abomination. Like disgusting abomination, not some retarded human shaped phyrexian.

>>55277471
At most, they'll have him kill some C Lister like the devil guy.

>>55277533
The comparison was fair where Urza was concerned, he was a much better character, but it gets iffy around Crovax or Barrin.

>>55277561
I'd say the only reason I couldn't boil down Urza to a trivial flippant discription is just because he's gone through so many hands and so many arcs. And you probably still could if you tried.

>>55277549
My only point was that it seemed like you were implying that they made him evil so they'd never have to use him, when the way they made him evil pretty much means they HAVE to bring him back eventually which I'm sure they did on purpose, and probably more than once unless they just outright kill him or he otherwise has a change of heart.

>>55277549
>At most, they'll have him kill some C Lister like the devil guy.
pls don't bully Tibalt

>>55277458
Gideon. They already want him to be a nuanced version of white, and with since some sources indicate Ajani is more liked, they could switch the two as main characters. This would let Gideon act as a conqueror, trying to save the multiverse by personally running it with an iron fist, ensuring that all laws are his idea of just.

>>55277608
I couldn't see this with gideon considering his whole schtick is that he risks himself tp protects others because he hurt those close to him when he protected himself. I feel like it'd be more like he decides something/somewhere isn't worth saving anymore.

>>55277589
>has a change of heart
>when he is turning into a demon
>when liliana goes "like I give a fuck" about any horrible shit she's done

Also wizards won't ever have the 3 women killed because yaas kweeen.

>>55277608
What do we have for mono-colored antagonist in each color?
White: Elesh Norn, although Phyrexia isn't a serious interplanar threat at the moment.
Blue: No Idea. I guess Tezzeret could become mono U at some point.
Black: I'd say Ob Nixilis but I don't know much about him.
Red: Tibalt I guess? Sarkhan maybe?
Green: Maybe Garruk?
...damn, that's when I realize how long I've been out of MtG lore.

>>55277638
>>55277608

I don't want Gids to go bad, he's the only member of the Gatewatch who is written have competently.

>>55277533
I actually can. There's a heavy bias given I've read more about those other characters, Garruk's story ending (as of now) isn't entirely tragic unlike the other characters, and I'm not as familiar with Garruk.

But we get a lot more setup for Urza and Crovax, where Garruk is introduced cursed, you get a few comic pages of pre-curse backstory, and then we don't see him for a while. And again, Garruk's story isn't nearly as tragic in my opinion, though I'm not sure that's really that significant. "And then Another bad thing happens," isn't masterpiece storytelling in itself, so just piling on Urza's or Crovax's story points and holding them up to Garruk's comparatively few isn't entirely fair. Still notable though, and the basis for my personal opinion.

So my straight-faced typing comes from the option that
>Garruk = dark and sad
>other mentioned characters = darker and sadder

>>55277561
>Crovax or Barrin
I think getting to know a character and having the status quo change so harshly is more compelling. Is to me at least.

>>55277574
Distant selfish jerk hurts people around him in his quest for "the greater good"?

>>55277695
White: Heliod (especially if he is connected to the Order of Heliud)/Elesh Norn
Blue: Don't know. Was there ever a mono-blue antagonist in Magic?
Black: Obby Nixilis gave the Gatewatch their first spanking, so he is in
Red: Tibalt fits, if they can actually expand the character beyond lolrandom pain XDDDD
Green: Someone like Feroz who hates planeswalkers and thinks that summoning things is immoral? I don't know.

Perhaps another Phyrexia on a plane Karn infected could be more flavored to Blue/Green instead of the White that dominates New Phyrexia

>return to phyrexia
>gatewatch comes in because reasons
>liliana can't control zombies because phyrexia
>she gets turned into some half-lobster type creature
>yells "KILL ME! KILL ME!" as Karn blows her head off

I would love this. But lili has to look strong so she'll be the secret weapon against phyrexians or some stupid reason.

>>55277810
As if. The Raven Man will use her as a vessel for the rebirth of the Onakke on another plane and she will be fucked

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>>55277820
>literally becomes a breeding tool

>>55277726
Don't get me wrong, I like both Crovax and Barrin more than Garruk, it just seemed like an unfair comparison to me. I might just be overcorrecting because I'm trying not to be nostalgic, though.

So for strong, independent half red women of color who don't need no men, we have:

R/U Saheeli Rai
R/G Samut
R/W Huatli

All we need is a R/B pirate lass with dreads or an Afro (cause she's black, you see) and we'll have a full set.

Then Chandra can lead the new mini team of The Firecats, a bunch of brownish lesbians that use red mana.

>>55277456

>implying Liliana didn't get BLACKED by all those demons she made pacts with

>>55277986
But R/B is evil, anon. You don't want proud womynz of color depicted as evil, don't you?

>>55277996
>Black is evil.

Das rayciss mayne. The womynz of colour are always right, so they can't be evil.

>>55277799
Kaladesh was the perfect spot for a green antagonist but they had to make a point that in this world green loves artifice to distinguish it from Mirrodin the first time around. An ecoterrorist type guy that thinks aether shouldn't be contained in machines would be really cool imo, and also it would make a renegade a bad guy the next time as opposed to Tezzeret making the consulate bad last time.

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>>55276650
In Rivals of Ixalan. B/R Angrath and G/W Ajani will be the walkers.

>>55262464
What's stopping the Legion of Dusk from moving into High and Dry and destroying/converting what remains of their old enemy?

>>55265419
>they gave the sun empire iron armor because giving them dinosaurs isn't enough, they can't be stone age otherwise it would be OFFENSIVE
>wanting a setting where one faction just rolls over the other and any major conflict is over

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>yfw Liliana finally finds Jace only to realize he's lost his memory and is now Vraska's boy toy
>Cue the cat fight between Liliana and Vraska for Jace's dick

>>55277913
It was a bit more dismissive of Garruk than I intended, and colored by what I find more interesting in a story. And is was ultimately to illustrate that the writers had more time and ability to market a character who's destiny was to suffer and die as appose to modern stories (though Elspeth kind of hits that mark).

Don't know if it's unfair to compare them for that point, but directly, yeah a bit. Like trying to compare Jace's "Tezz is a meanie" arc to Garruk's "everything I care about is rotting and dead" story in some ways.

>>55278061
Also for the record there is in fact a faction of elves on Kaladesh that don't like/use artifice so I feel like that was intentionally leaving open this sort of possibility.

>>55278064
Did Rosewater not confirm that Ixalan will have three walkers on his tumblr? who will be the third then?

>>55278061
>>55278161
Could work. Especially if it is a Mirrodin Elf that now walks the Multiverse to hate on artifacts

>>55270428
Mostly just that life got busy.

>>55278203
Generally there's supposed to be at least 5 planeswalkers per block, with one to represent each color, even if some are multicolor and some are monocolor.

So Kaladesh had Dovin Baan for W, Saheeli for U, and Chandra for R. Then in Aether Revolt we got Ajani for G and Tezz for B.

>tfw elspeth is going to stay dead
>no WoTC will never give us knightfus again

>>55278203
Vraska, you dumbfuck.

>>55276171
>Not a soul-crushed Gideon landing on a Roman plane and becoming a gladiator, hoping that he would die in every battle, only to cowardly keep going on
>Not wanting a Gideon Planeswalker card that's simply called "Kytheon Iora"

>>55278203
>>55278454
Currently, we're set up having mono U Jace, RW Huatli, and (presumably) BG Vraska.

Rivals of Ixalan should have two more, though due to the magic of dual color ladies they could be almost anything. All jokes aside a R/B Ixalan pirate would be cool, and either a Merfolk or Vampire (or both) as well.

Imagine a G/W/B Merfolk Vampire conquistador traitor to his kind villain who wants to unite all peoples in undeath. That'd be sick as fuck.

>>55278589
>GW and RB walkers in Rivals
it could work

>>55277695
>>55277799
>Jacetice League vs their own Legion of Doom

>>55262699
This was neat. So Mazirek just woke up some liches?

>>55278600
GW merfolk vampire that focuses on gaining life and giving hexproof or indestructible temporarily versus a BR pirate that spawns hasted tokens, flings, and Terminates creatures.

Please Wizards?

Question about the Tithe Drinker card
Which one is the Tithe Drinker? The girl or the monsters?

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>>55282102
for reference