Stat the most powerful Sith of all time

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That'll be tricky OP, Final Fantasy is hard to translate into tabletop.

>>55251023
STR: He's too weak, so about 1.
DEX: At least 30
CON: Scarred and deformed, so about 5
INT: Can do magic and shit, so about 13.
WIS: Rused the entire jedi council with mind tricks 'n shit, so about 15.
CHA: Managed to convince the senate to dissolve democracy while looking like a shrivelled prune, 18.

>>55251023
2

>>55251171
My laser feeling bro.

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>>55251023

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What is this maneuver called?

>>55251198
Spinnin' out at the speed of sound

>>55251198
Sheev Spin bolstered by Sheev Scream

+10 attack bonus to traitors

>>55251198
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

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>>55251198
Force Scream
>http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Force_scream

>>55251234
holy shit he isn't even kidding

>>55251198
DEVA VU

>>55251198
A good trick.

>>55251023
Obligatory -10 HP

>>55251023
I feel like Sheev may have been one of the most politically powerful Sith Lords in the franchise - if we count EU stuff, the Emperors of the actual Sith Empire surely rival him - but in terms of force power and fighting ability, even if we discount the EU, I'm pretty sure Vader is more powerful. If we count the EU, I'm pretty sure Revan, Marka Ragnos, Exar Kun, Freedon Nadd, Starkiller, are all more powerful force sensitives and fighters. Vitiate, too, and again, he was also an Emperor of a pretty significant Empire, so even rivals and possibly edges out over Sidious in political power. Probably others, too, but they all come to mind fairly immediately.

>>55251533
Not this again. Sidious is canonically the most powerful Sith Lord in the EU.

Unless Snoke. We know next to nothing of him.

>>55251533
>Vader is more powerful
He had the potential. He lost it all.
>Revan
No
>Marka Ragnos
He's up there
>Exar Kun
Same as above
>Freedon Nadd
No
>Starkiller
Palpatine effortlessly dismantled him in the 'bad' ending
>Vitiate
He's probably the only Sith who would reliably stand a chance

>>55251553
In terms of raw force ability? What's the source of this? Not saying you're BSing me, it's just not the impression I've got. At any rate, I'm definitely interested to see more of Snoke. I wonder if he can even really be called a Sith Lord, if both Sidious and Vader died without naming any new Rule-of-2ers to succeed them. I guess we shall see.

>>55251592
It's literally everywhere. Just type in "is sidious the most powerful" or something similar in Google and you will find dozens of citation-happy threads proclaiming his status as "Wankatine".

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Why didnt he fix his face at his Emperor Palpatine Surgical Reconstruction Center?

>>55251612
because that's his real face

and what matters is on the inside
the feels

>>55251610
>>55251553
Yeah fair enough brehs, I was comparing movie Sheev to video game and comic book versions of other EU Sith. EU Palpatine is pretty nuts, with only Vitiate seemingly approaching his power, like >>55251575
said. Learn something new every day, even if it is about Star Wars lore!

>>55251023

Emperor Palpatine
Type: Sith Lord
DEXTERITY 2D+1
Blaster 8D+1, brawling parry 8D, dodge 10D, lightsaber 13D, melee combat 9D+2, melee parry 9D+1, running 7D
KNOWLEDGE 4D+1
Alien species 10D+2, bureaucracy: Empire 14D, cultures 9D, intimidation 14D, languages 9D, law enforcement: Empire 8D, military history 14D, planetary systems 7D+1, scholar: archaic library systems 10D, scholar: arcane technologies 12D+2, scholar: clone vat systems 7D+2, scholar: Dark Side lore 15D+1, scholar: Jedi lore 14D, scholar: lightsaber histories 14D, survival 7D, tactics: fleets 12D, tactics: ground assault 6D, value 10D+1, willpower 13D
MECHANICAL 2D
PERCEPTION 4D+1
Bargain 10D, command 11D, command: Imperial forces 13D, con 8D, hide 7D+1, investigation 8D+2, persuasion 13D, persuasion: oration 15D+2, search 8D
STRENGTH 3D
Brawling 8D, climbing/jumping 7D+1, lifting 7D, stamina 9D, swimming 5D
TECHNICAL 2D
Computer programming/repair 5D, droid programming 4D, first aid 5D, lightsaber repair 10D, security 8D
Special abilities:
Force Skills: Control 15D+2, sense 17D, alter 15D+1
(Palpatine has spent decades studying the most arcane and esoteric Jedi disciplines. It is believed that he has mastered nearly all the known powers, previously unknown powers, and devises new ones at his pleasure)
Control: Absorb/dissipate energy, accelerate healing, concentration, control pain, detoxify poison, enhance attribute, hibernation trance, rage, short-term memory enhancement
Sense: Combat sense, danger sense, instinctive astrogation, life detection, life sense, magnify senses, receptive telepathy, reduce injury, remain conscious, resist stun, sense

>>55251641

Even if you're just counting Canon Palps, that still leaves this whole thing in:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-7hBZNsPnyg

Palps is literally toying with two of the bigger big-bads of this series without breaking a sweat. Maul is one of the few villains who actually managed to win when Obi-Wan encountered him, and Savage had a whole season devoted to bigging him up as Darth Mauls even more dangerous brother.
This whole fight is literally happening because he was bored and wanted a lightsaber fight. He could have ended it at any point he wanted, he just needed some exercise.

>>55251592
>What's the source of this?
Get ready


>""The Rebels were turning out to be more troublesome than many had expected. The Emperor had known it would be thus, of course; the resistance had not been a surprise to him. The Emperor was completely in concert with the dark side of the Force. He was the most powerful Sith to have ever existed."
-- Death Star, page 76.

>"...Yoda could not hope to defeat the most powerful Sith Lord in history."
-- The New Essential Chronology, page ??? (I don't own the book).

>"Beyond the vision of the Jedi Knights, somewhere within the darkness, the greatest master of evil ever to use Sith power bides his time. As his strength grows, his plans begin to shape the course of the galaxy, and his snares await the unsuspecting."
-- The Complete Visual Dictionary, page 72.

>"Palpatine has risen from the dead. The most powerful Sith Lord who ever lived had returned."
-- Dark Empire Sourcebook, page 109

>"He gave up everything to the Dark Side long ago. He has become the greatest who ever lived. He is the strongest who ever lived....I say we give what he wishes."
-- Empire's End

Star Wars Insider, Kevin J. Anderson, upon asked if he ever intended his Sith to be stronger than the OT Sith
>""No. Exar Kun, Naga Sadow and the others are on a firmly lower tier than Emperor Palpatine."

On TFN.net, official response to the strongest Sith:
>"Palpatine at his peak."


Wew

>>55251739
>TFW read Exar Kun as, "Exar-kun"
That's it, lads. Tuck me in, let me die.

>>55251702
This is pretty good

>>55251728
I'll never cease to be impressed with how fucking awful Star Wars past the original trilogy can be. Not just the Emperor wielding a lightsaber at all, but flipping around like an idiot with two lightsabers? "Savage Opress"? This motherfucker pulling out an edgy black lightsaber? I've lived too long. I want to go back.

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>>55251533
>If we count the EU

>>55251918
At least the black saber had a cool color scheme.

Remember when the emperor made a dwarf clone of himself?

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The Emperor originally had his throne in a room full of lava, they even began to construct a set for Return of the Jedi before Lucas changed his mind and told them to stop.

>>55252036
That looks really fucking cool

>>55252036
I wish he wore white in the movie. Star Wars borrows heavily from eastern aesthetics, and white is the colour of death there.

Bane was wiser.

>>55251739
Well, I got exactly what I asked for. I like how on /tg/, you can make a claim and someone can just show you why you're wrong without shitposting. Based Sheev, I guess!

>>55251728
>>55251918
Other than the name "Savage Opress", which I'll agree is fairly purely distilled cringe, I thought that was pretty cool to be honest. I don't see why Sidious shouldn't use a lightsaber if he's clearly capable of doing so. I mean, I think seeing more people get melted by force lightning or choked to death would be cool, but sword fighting has such cinematic value that we can't expect it not to feature wherever it can.

>>55252376
>I don't see why Sidious shouldn't use a lightsaber if he's clearly capable of doing so.
Having wizard-like characters grab a sword and stop being wizards kind of lessens their impact. Just like with Yoda, NOT using a lightsaber set him apart from other, lesser force users. "Lightsabers are the archetypical symbol of both sith and jedi. This guy? He's so good at being a sith that he doesn't NEED a lightsaber."

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>>55252250
Bane?

>>55252376
>I don't see why Sidious shouldn't use a lightsaber if he's clearly capable of doing so
This ten minute video answers all your questions.
https://youtu.be/Blkx6axytKQ

>inb4 "RLM drone, who's not a TRUE fan"

>>55252620
>https://youtu.be/Blkx6axytKQ
>10 minutes of monotone droning and random clips to make a point
Jesus Christ, how does this guy have any followers?

>>55251739
>non-canon eu

Easily distracted by the pristine sheen that a woodoo hide brings to durasteel surfaces /10

>>55252620
I can dig a lot of those arguments, but Sidious isn't as small as Yoda is. We've seen that both Sidious and Yoda are capable of insane feats of athleticism. I'm a young, fit man, and I can't leap or run or take getting telekinetically thrown against a wall like they can. Clearly strength in the force grants people physical capability far beyond what is normal. I think the rest of the arguments in the vid, and in >>55252511 are better - there's no reason Sidious can't engage in lightsaber duels as well as he can, but it would arguably make him more interesting to not do so, and in general it would be cooler to actually see laser swords a little less. It's not something I'd considered, but having had it pointed out, it certainly does damage their mystique. It's like midichlorians - making the force explainable makes it less magical, less cool. I think this line of things is a lot of why I appreciate some of the EU stuff, I like the more mystical portrayal of the force, with 3spoopy5me Sith blood rituals, and ancient artefacts which combine the technological and the arcane.

>>55252775
> Clearly strength in the force grants people physical capability far beyond what is normal.

But mostly as a temporary, actively induced boost.

>>55251198
.http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Form_VII

Juyo lightsaber form which is mostly used by practitioners of the dark side and is a sort of blitz.

As for the scream, maybe >>55251234
is right but it was probably just a normal evil battle cry of an old evil Sith.

>>55251023

Darth Lukas, who tore apart the galaxy and Time itself for the sake of narcissism and pottery. All while sitting like a bloated spider in his control room sipping Starbucks and gloating about what a genius he is.

And what he did to the gungans is far worse than anything the Emperor ever did. Ditto for ruining Anakin. Sad!

>>55251874

It's the WEG D6 statblock for him. I couldn't find the D20 version that I know exists, although it's pretty much as close to Cthulhu's D4 Investigators per Turn or Cain's statblock as D20 games ever get.

>>55252852
Palpatine, just like Yoda and Qui-Gon, used Ataru, which is the form that includes lots of jumping around.

>>55251023
that's not Kylo Ren...

>>55251250
The fuck.
>Description
>"Nooooooooooooooo!"
>―Darth Vader, upon learning of Padmé Amidala's death
Star Wars has gone too far.

>>55251023
I thought Sheevs master was more powerful, which is why he poisoned him?

>>55253019
I think he mixed Ataru with Juyo

>>55252702
The full review is over an hour long, anon, and it's a cult classic. Universally known among the fandom memes like "What's wrong with your face" are spawned from this guy.

>>55252376

Thing is, most of the times Palpatine is using a Lightsaber he's literally just doing it to fuck about.

We are talking about a man who has literally learnt how to hate his problems to death. This is factually how Force Lightning works. He could finish almost every encounter he ever has by electrocuting a bitch with zero problems.
It's just that sometimes he wan't to prove he can do needless bullshit laser wuxia as well as anyone.
Hell, I'm almost certain things like him spinning about like that was him making a point over how fucking silly the rest of them looked doing those ridiculous backflips and what-not.

Hell, he get's bored halfway through the Yoda fight and just starts throwing the Senate at him. Clearly having the time of his fucking life throughout and in no way pressured or troubled.

The only possible time he was in any danger was when he misidentified Samuel L Jackson for a Bitch. And even then he may have been faking it for Anakins benefit. Not that Anakin ever really NEEDED the full Sheev Palpatine Acting School treatment. If there was ever a man who managed to make two planks of wood look smart by comparison it was Anakin.

>>55251702
Is the OG d6 statline? Don't have my books here.

>>55252993
OK, nice.

>>55253275

It's his statline from the Dark Empire sourcebook, so if you wanted to get technical that's the recloned Emperor. You could probably lose a dice of strength for original flavour Palps. But honestly? Look at those skills and force abilities. Do you really think 1 dice is going to make an appreciable difference?

>>55251728
>He could have ended it at any point he wanted, he just needed some exercise.

He probably knew he'd be fighting Mace Windu at some point and figured he could use the practice. But then I like to take Episode III at face value and accept that Windu *was* winning the fight with Palpatine, and it was only because Anakin showed up and betrayed the Jedi that Palpatine lived.

It doesn't really detract from his character, since it means that he was able to, despite being in full Sith mode, manipulate a situation where he should have lost (facing down the Chosen One and arguably the most skilled lightsaber user in the Order at the same time) and turned it into an overwhelming victory.

(Mostly I just disagree with the idea that he can be a master Force user AND a brilliant strategist AND an unequaled politician AND a peerless lightsaber combatant AND...at a some point you have to wonder when the man sleeps).

That's all cool, but can Palpatine freeze a blaster bolt in mid-air?

>>55253394
>sleep

And risk getting killed by your apprentice?

>>55253160
Sam Jack was the closest thing to an actual grey jedi in canon and pretty much the only one to master his style for a thousand years, I don't think it's too much to assume he caught Palpy by surprise

>>55253394
>(Mostly I just disagree with the idea that he can be a master Force user AND a brilliant strategist AND an unequaled politician AND a peerless lightsaber combatant AND...at a some point you have to wonder when the man sleeps).

He probably didn't. Sith Alchemy is a hell of a drug.

>>55253426
>>55253449

Funny enough, Sheevs master literally stopped sleeping to try and avoid being killed by Sheev so you probably aren't wrong

>>55253413
Most likely, but not being a sniffling teenager he feels no reason to when he can piss lightning

>>55253413
In the last scene of Rogue One, Vader can be seen to one-up Kylo by *reversing* blaster bolts back at the Rebel troops. Vader is still far more powerful than that little bitch.

>>55253426
It's either sleep, or go insane. And not in the semi-functional "UNLIMITED POWAH!" kind of way, in the completely nonfunctional "pink fluffy unicorns dance on rainbows in front of me, which is nice because they keep the spiders at the edge of my vision away" kind of way.

>>55253471
What part of "walking corpse literally propelled by his own hatred' do you not get, Palpatine is basically a fucking Lich

In fact he's a case study in how to do a Lich villain

>>55253356
Well, if we're getting into extreme Doc Smith Style Power Creep Palpatine we can just bring the dice bucket because the guy seems basically unquantifiable.

>>55253449
The main point is that there's only so many hours in a day, and a lot of Palpatine's time would be taken up by any one of his pursuits, let alone all of them. Do you have any idea how much paperwork is involved in merely running a single country on a single planet, nevermind a galaxy-spanning Republic or Empire? Especially as Palpatine centralized power in himself, he would have increased that workload.

>>55253496
And yet he died by, of all things, falling.

Shoulda' looked into Force Flight.

>>55253471
what does it matter when you can Force Lightning both spiders and unicorns?

>>55253516
I don't care how badass you are, when the physics engine comes calling you will be its bitch.

>>55253516
falling into a reactor after electrocuting himself

And in the books his ghost came back anyway

>>55253442

Honestly I side with the idea that Palps did not realise he was dealing with a Rock to his Scissors with Mace and the wheels very nearly did come off there.
Palps DOES sometimes make mistakes, but it's very very rarely.
It's literally here and when he gambled on Darth NOT choosing his own son over him even though that was LITERALLY the crux of how he turned Anakin to the darkside in the first place.

I mean he suffers the occaisonal minor wibble in his plans now and then. The Trade Federation getting rolled by a checkmate maneouver by Padme and losing their Control Ships as well as the death of Maul for instance. Although the primary goal of becoming Supreme Chancellor was achieved he still needed to move more quickly on making sure the Trade Federation didn't tell anyone about Darth Sideous than he probably planned.

Heck in Clones they practically roll up his entire plan by learning that the guy who all the Clones are based off was in fact working for the Seperatists the whole time. But then that whole Obi-Wan Detective story falls into a plothole and never get's mentioned again.

>>55253471
we don't know if its a one-up

anyone can bat a baseball back. making it however in the air would be quite a trick though.

>>55253539
Especially since, being a Sith, Palpatine would have used intimidation surprise and fear to overpower the Jedi.

It was probably surprising as fuck when none of these worked on Mace Fucking Windu who was basically so angry he transcended anger. Fucker was Saint Moses the Black or one of those Wisdom King Buddhas

>>55253539
You have to wonder what Palpatine thought of that.

>Shit, they know about Jango. Gonna have to talk to Dooku about using him.
>How the Hell am I gonna explain this?
>[One month later]
>Yes, a brilliant story! Truly a masterstroke, it explains everything perfectly! Now to play the waiting game.
>[one year later]
>Why has no one asked about the clone army?
>They literally just accepted them out of nowhere.
>No one even asked me about Jango Fett.
>I put so much work into the story to make it all make sense...
>These people are idiots.

>>55251023
Vader was statted as "insta-kill if you are within range" in the FFG RPG, so I assume something like that would apply to Palpatine as well.

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>>55251070

>>55251187

I see you are a man of culture too.

>>55251553
>Unless Snoke. We know next to nothing of him.
Is Snoke even a sith ?

Or is he from some other dark side sect ?

>>55253160
>Thing is, most of the times Palpatine is using a Lightsaber he's literally just doing it to fuck about.

For a good example of this, watch him fight Maul and Savage in Clone Wars. He waltzes in, uses the Force to TK and hold them in place effortlessly, then just laughs and pulls out two lightsabers. Why? For shits and giggles. The whole fight, he's just humouring them, even when they manage to boot him out a window he laughs some more and yanks them out with him. They crash, he lands easily. And then he trolls by lightning again, kills Savage, then electrocutes Maul even harder.

At no point was he ever in danger, at no point was he ever really fighting seriously against the two of them, he just fucked about until he got bored. The only time we ever see him fighting for real is against Yoda.

>>55254046
Maul never had a chance against Sidious, as Palpy would never fight him fair, lightsaber skill vs lightsaber skill, and Maul's training was visibly lacking in many aspects of Force using.

>>55254096
Well, I mean, Sidious did train Maul just to be his weapon so... not surprising

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>>55251575
>>55251553
How would he fair against Nihilus?

>>55254472
He probably wouldn't. Exile was the only one capable of doing that, as she were a Wound in the Force herself, though she never were in need of consuming Force users for survival.

What would be truly interesting is who would win between Vitiate and Nihilus.

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>>55251728
>Tim Curry cackling
10/10 Palpatine performance

>>55252174
It'd been a sweet contrast since Luke wore all black

>>55252760
I believe "Palpatine is the strongest Sith" started with George Lucas saying it.

Him being the most powerful in the EU is irrelevant.

>>55254472
>>55254639
Nihilus is under Sidious.

See >>55251739

>>55254472
Next to Revan, Nihilus is the most overrated Sith Lord I've come across.

>>55254639
Vitiate wins

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>>55251499

>>55258027
>Next to Revan, Nihilus is the most overrated Sith Lord I've come across.
How does it feel to have taste this shit

>>55253539
Regardless of whether or not Mace truly bested Palpatine in that encounter, the question remains as to why Sidious didn't just overpower him with sheer usage of the Force instead of ye old lightsaber.

It's one of the defining reasons why people constantly and consistently claim he bullshitted Mace, and it's believable.

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>>55251198

>>55251575
Could he create life via the force? If not, Plagus is stronger.

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>>55258316

>>55258239
Vaapad. Mace is just as strong as the dark sider he's fighting. The more Sidius tapped intothe dark side, the stronger Mace would become.

Vaapad is the ultimate hard counter to the dark side.

>>55258427
Was waiting for this. It's a common thing to say, except Vaapad is more of an indirect performance. It does nothing to defend against more direct assaults.

It's a leech-like effect which literally siphons off the Dark Side like a pseudo arua. It doesn't defend against Sith Lightning or Force Push.

>>55251023
Stats are not important. A Sith is simply competent at everything.

This guy did a most impressive overview of the 'Mace vs Sidious' dispute.

>https://comicvine.gamespot.com/profile/silver2467/blog/mace-windu-vs-darth-sidious-what-really-happened-r/77247/

>>55258461
I know, its a stat drain aura. -5 stats to Sidius, +5 stats to Windu, which is why it allowed him to face up in the forst place.

Force attacks can be blocked wth a saber or by the force.

>>55258427
>>55258461

Vaapad is only good for melee encounters, pretty much. Had Sidious decided to go full wizard it would have been over for Windu.

>>55258165
Nihilius had nasty AoE world ending powers that come with having his Force-equivalent of a soul collapse in on itself, but he's not actually that tough in a 1v1 situation because he's a broken husk of a being and doesn't really have control of himself anymore.
I don't get why you dumb kids wank endlessly over any edgelord with a fancy mask, Nihilius was a cool threat in game but he wasn't some world-changing new idea

>>55251023
Could've sworn that was Jar-Jar after he was off the things suppressing his signature.

>>55258594
Did he throw the fight because he could sense Anakin coming?

>>55262431
It's a good possibility. A lot of things were thrown during their encounter. Palpatine's face is actually his face. Not a result of the lightning.

>>55257939
The thing is, Nihilus isn't a very powerful Sith or Force user. He has basically just one technique only, it's just that that one technique lets him No Sell almost everything.

Nihilus could well be more dangerous than Sidious without necessarily being a stronger Sith. Being a Sith is more than just killing people, after all. Nihilus is barely Sith; he's barely a person, even. Asking who'd win between Nihilus and Sidious is like asking who'd win between a black hole and Sidious.

To cross the fandoms for a moment, consider it as being sort of like how Super Buu from Dragon Ball Z is the strongest of Buu's forms, but Kid/Pure Buu is the most *dangerous*, by dint of being an absolutely insane engine of destruction and mayhem.

>>55258165
I love Revan and Nihilus (well, Nihilus' design) but old EU Palpatine was on some next level shit.

>>55263107
>Nihilus is barely Sith; he's barely a person, even.
>And he cares NOTHING for the Sith, or the Jedi
>He exists to consume, and once he consumes the Jedi, he will consume the Sith, and the galaxy, until nothing remains except his Hunger

>>55263107
Funny that. Sidious was actually described as a "black hole of the dark side" at one point. Shortly before his final death reality ripped around him like paper. He could rip apart space time.

>>55263107
Sidious has actually demonstrated far better feats on planet draining.

>>55252608

Aye.

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You people are still at it? Christ. Sheev was the most powerful Force user in Star Wars canon. With only a few non-Sith/non-Jedi edging him out. AKA The Ones & Abeloth.

Nihilus is toast.

>>55263304
Abeloth was actually scared of Palpatine and went into waiting because he rose to power. She figured she couldn't beat him.

>>55251023
JAR JAR BINKS

>>55263330
Citation needed. Abeloth was stated to be twelve times greater than Luke, who is barely under Palpatine.

>>55263356
Abeloth was also an infuriating Mary Sue in an annoyingly bad story.

>>55263369
I actually quite liked her story.

>>55251739
>...Yoda could not hope to defeat the most powerful Sith Lord in history.

Yoda fanboys stay mad

>>55254472
It's not clear. Palpatine is more powerful, more versatile, more intelligent, and just generally better plot-armored. Nihilus' entire schtick is that of those, only the plot armor actually matters. The Exile won because their own Force severy bullshit happened to be the exact match to Nihilus' - if Sheev figured out how to trigger the same sort of ouroboros (Nihilus tries to consume you through the Force, your Force presence works by echoing back that of others), then Palpatine wins.

Nihilus is a puzzle boss, basically. If it's at all conceivable for Sheev to make himself the right shape peg for the hole, he will do so and win.

>>55263107
Drain attacks aren't instant wins. You can learn to thwart it and defend against it.

Palpatine was also better at draining shit than Nihilus.

>>55263304
Abeloth is non-canon. And no matter what else Disney does, I will forever be grateful and praise the Mouse for that fact.

Empire-era Palpatine in the NuEU could deflect ship-mounted blaster cannons back at freighters and force lightning the pilots to death from the ground.

Just in case anyone was worried that Disney's EU would tone down power levels.

>>55263468
It's not exactly non-canon in the traditional sense.

The fans and original writers are refusing to ditch old content.
They use the pretentious 'Legends' to refer to non-Disney source material now.

AKA the entirety of the EU.

>>55263468
While I agree, I still wish Disney would've cut the bad EU out and left the good EU in.

Plus, what we've gotten in exchange isn't much better, and in some cases as bad if not worse.

>>55263535
Episode 7 felt like a massive rehash at times. Oh wait, it entirely was.

>>55263535
Very little is worse than introducing a Lovecraftian horror into Star Wars and thinking it was a good idea.

>>55263569
They played it way too safe. I hope that The Last Jedi actually goes new places.

>>55263411
Oh yeah, or if Sheev can just cheese his way out of having to deal with the puzzle in the first place, which is absolutely his style, come to think of it. Bait him with Vader into a chase that leads him into a black hole or some other cosmic phenomenon that will kill him. Maybe a hive of ysalimir or whatever those fuckers were called. Fuck, he could probably rig up a bacta tank full of midichlorians or some equally bullshit mcguffin that would actually keep Nihilus well-fed for shits and giggles if he really wanted.

How can you people even enjoy Star Wars. It's like W40K but worse.

>>55263931
I watch the movies. They can be enjoyable.

>>55263931
I'm not defending Star Wars when I say that's a lie and you know it.

>>55263931
It has some amount of people who aren't awful in it, so it's more appealing to me than 40k.

>>55263601
Everything I've seen so far has pointed towards it being "ESB, except totally cooler" with smatterings of RotJ elements like not-Royal Guards because they want to hype up Supreme Poo-Bah Snooker early on.
Then again, I'm not hopeful for anything anymore after both my childhood sci-fi obsessions got soft rebooted and left to languish in Hollywood rehash hell.

>>55263405
Yoda potentially could defeat Palpatine, and he at the Senate got an edge for a moment... When he got angry, which was when he decided to call it quits, because he realized he can't do it without losing his calm.

>>55266984
Nice fanfiction

>>55267087
>Yoda was being pushed to the wall when he was getting Force Lightning
>He looked angry when he finally pushed back, Sidious almost falling from his position
>Yoda left right after that
Maybe it was too subtle for you.

>>55251023
Oh is that what Revan looks like under the mask?

>>55267121
:^)

>>55267199
kek

biased revan fanboy detected

>>55251070
>Scarred and deformed
Scarred? No. Deformed? Yes. Dark Side is a hell of a drug. He was just using the Force to make himself look presentable.

>>55267264
Think Snoke is scarred or deformed?

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>>55267290
Aside from the HUGE FUCKING GASH IN HIS HEAD and the CLEARLY INHUMAN FACE?

Yes.

>>55263301
Why does he wear the mask?

>>55267290
If you are okay with looking that ugly in a private conversation, then probably.

>>55267334
He could be a burn victim. They can look pretty inhuman and spoopy.

>>55267334
It's Mace Windu! NO it's Darth Plagueis!

>>55267264
>the attempt on my life has left me

>>55267427
He was going for sympathy points.

>>55267427
>what is a ploy

>>55251056
When I was a kid I never realized the tiny cat on top was the real character. I thought he was the fat white blob.

Will Snoke be more powerful than Sidious, you think?

>>55253945
In Disney and Lucasfilm's new canon, the Sith died with Vader and Sheev. Whatever Snoke is, he's not a Sith.

>>55263535
They're actively reintroducing EU stuff they find interesting and relevant.

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Brawn 2, Agility 3, Intellect 4, Cunning 5, Willpower 5, Presence 4

Force Rating 7

Whole bunch of relevant social skills, and a fuckton of Discipline

Every force power maxed out

Adversary 5 along with a bunch of relevant talents

Wounds and Strain I'd come up with arbitrarily based on the encounter difficulty I want considering my players. Probably 20+ for both.

>>55262431
George actually states that Mace won the lightsaber duel legitimately, and that Palpatine wasn't faking until after that when he's doing the lightning. It's in the commentary track.

>>55266616
Will they continue to have more CGI and less practical effects?

>>55252250
>wiser
No. Just bigger guy

>>55271365
It matters less how a visual effect is produced than it does how much effort and creative energy went into producing it.
Compare Hollywood Transformers to Pacific Rim and tell me which production team had a genuine heartfelt vision for the way giant CGI robot fights should look to make them distinct and engaging.

I should probably stop complaining about TLJ and try not to think about it for a while. Last night I saw Leto ad clips of "Resistance Bombers" blowing up "First Order walkers" on an ice planet, then fell asleep and dreamed that the climax of TLJ was identical to the Battle of Hoth but with all the vehicles scaled up 3x and with constant panning slow-mo. I woke up angry.

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>>55251187
Is that some Black lion I spy?

>>55251234
Fucking scream wizards.

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How is Sheev not the best

>>55251198
Well essentially he was using Force Rage

>>55251023
He comes statted in the rulebook...

>>55251739
Other than people saying direclty that Sheev is meant to be stronger, is there anything that he did for us to conclude this?

Because star wars canon is a mess. The EU even worse. It's not absurd that they just ignored things like Nihilus because they WANTED Sheev to be the strongest.

In the movies Sheev was a little above Yoda in their battle. And Sheev was going to be killed by Windu until anaking saved him.

This is in no way comparable to the power of Nihilus.

I'm not saying that there's is no evidence that sheev is stronger - I'm just asking if there is evidence besides "this person said so".

>>55281809
They're using his feats post film-canon, Anon.

I thought you would assume as much.

>>55251023
JJ Abrams
Level 5 Expert
Brown Nosing +5
Con Artistry +10
Plagiarism +8
Overcompensation +23
Feats: 'Mystery Box', Born Into Hollywood
Dark Side Points: 135

>>55281809
>is there anything that he did for us to conclude this?
Yes. The comics depicted him doing ludicrous things with the force, after his return from 'death'.

Sucked planets dry whilst mentally controlling all of the inhabits, numbering in the tens of billions.
Created planet killing 'Force Storms' capable of warping and ripping space
Was literally too powerful to be alive, and had to constantly switch bodies
His very presence started to tear and rip apart reality around him
Practically enslaved the Dark Side as well as becoming a possession of it
etc etc etc...

>And Sheev was going to be killed by Windu until anaking saved him.
The common consensus is that he threw the fight.

>>55281950
Can you tell me the source of this things? I'm not doubting you, I just wanted to see for myself.

Also, if he was so powerful after death, how he was defeated?

>>55282060
http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Palpatine

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>>55282060
>how he was defeated?
He tried to possess the child of Han and Leia, but jumped into the wrong body and was slowly dragged down into the 'after'.

>>55251023
HIs power is maximum

>>55274650
Use up all your power cards, less effective than Black Witches; everyone has them just because they're in the starter pack.

>>55251198
Force Pirouette

>>55281950
>The common consensus is that he threw the fight.

Nah. I take the movies at face value: he was losing. Like I said upthread, it doesn't detract from his potency as a character at all; if anything it's more impressive that he turned what was nearly a final defeat into an unparalleled victory.