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chain scythe aesthetics edition

>Death Guard faction focus: Strategems, Relics and Warlord Traits
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2017/09/05/death-guard-warlord-traits-stratagems-and-relicsgw-homepage-post-2/

>Top 5 Squig anime waifus
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>Konor Campaign
https://konor.warhammer40000.com/

>GW FAQs (1.1):
https://www.games-workshop.com/en-US/Rules-Errata
>FW FAQ (1.1):
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2017/07/15/new-and-updated-forge-world-faqs-july16gw-homepage-post-2/

>Rules and such. Use Readium on pc/iphone, lithium/kobo on android:
>Everything 8th edition in properly converted pdf & epub, fully bookmarked and linked with in-line errata annotations
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>Other Megas
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>WIP Math-hammer doc (Thanks Chart-Anon!)
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1h0hk_IdJ7fivDEjMiIpKM5yMMB8HTm64lZHuKdLZCIU/edit?usp=sharing
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>>55246263

repostan, also first for the emprah
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Do start this thread off right post your 40k wife/husband
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Use this strategem during the movement phase as you move two or more units into range for an assault. Be sure you target your unit that is not closest to your assault target. Choose that same unit to charge first. Congrats, it is immune to overwatch.
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So how do taurox's do in this edition? I know they got buffed and people were hyping them before 8th launched but I don't know if they lived up to it
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>>55246284
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>>55246284
You already did.

>that little pout she has going on
>mfw
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>>55246312
The world needs more lewd celestine OC
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What sort of spells, relics, etc. do you hope for with Thousand Sons? Not talking about units, just the additional rules for the army and all.
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>>55246346
Just imagine that under her tabard/skirt she is no-pan
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>>55246312
>The Greatest Sister of Battle
>The Last of Living Saints
>Avatar of the Emperor
>Gets utterly bulldozed and demolished by Abaddon and Kharn

I guess that confirms that the Emperor is not a god.
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>>55246302
Or you could just send it the Rhino or character like a normal person and keep your command points for better stuff.
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>>55246379
>plot armour the characters
>defeating punching bag the character
>this is some how an achievement
Chaosfags everyone! They did it again.
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>>55246379
Those guys aren't exactly pushovers, and from what I remember she pegged Abby while he was busy crushing Cadia's hero
>no discription of creed fighting abaddon
>just cuts to him with no arm and about to die
>my nigga got off screened
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(reposting from dead thread)

Here's the heavy armored-themed list I'm thinking of taking tomorrow. Do you guys think it's fair with 4 LRBTs and a Baneblade chassis? It's tricky trying to bring cool an thematic lists that aren't "spam", which I know people don't like.

++HQ++
183 Tank Commander in LR Punisher + 2x hvy bolter sponsons
30 Company Commander
30 Company Commander
30 Company Commander

++Troops++
47 Infantry Squad + plasma gun
+8 more of those up there ^

++Elites++
40 Enginseer
40 Enginseer
40 Enginseer
90 Trojan Support Vehicle
75 Salamander Command Vehicle

++Heavy Support++
148 LRBT + 2x hvy bolter sponsons
148 LRBT + 2x hvy bolter sponsons
148 LR Punisher + 2x hvy bolter sponsons

++LoW++
566 Shadowsword + 4x twin hvy bolter/lascannon sponsons
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>>55246379
It proves that the disgustingly misogynist employees at Games Workshop are pushing their patriarchal agenda by not allowing the morally correct plot to advance, where Celestine uses her feminine strength to overwhelm her enemies with grace and body-positive hipsizes. Then she installs an all-female space marines chapter and there are no wars ever again, because women are better leaders.
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>>55246379
>Abaddon
>wrested support of all four gods
>controls a powerful enslaved daemon
>Kharn
>the literal top mortal champion and mortal avatar of Khorne, even more than Celestine is an avatar
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>>55246309
Cheap and good. Primes also are cheap and good.
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>>55246423
Don't worry Creeds on ice in trashy the incontinents collection
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>>55246432
I know this is a joke but the sad thing is it will cause people here to sperg out
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>>55246284
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>>55246379
>Celestine
>greatest sister of battle
Anon do you even know 40k lore old or new?
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>>55246450
They are basically guard jetbikes
For 100 pts you can have a marine mulcher that moves 14"
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>>55246372
Strategem that prevents perils of the warp in some manner for a turn?

I'd also like psychic dread please
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>look at Adepticon photos
>99% of armies are bad airbrush paintjobs
>basecoat only, not even wash, basically 3 color minimum most likely
>fully painted, and at least they tried, but apparently the owner was not only bad at painting but is color blind as well

I saw like ONE well airbrushed army and ONE well painted non-airbrushed army and ONE god tier army that was basically full NMM Custodes and GKs, out of hundreds of armies. There were some neat armies and ideas and color schemes and conversions, but almost always part of an army that was either not fully painted, or not painted well.
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>>55246460
Pretty sure FoC refers to her as the greatest of her kind.
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>>55246372
Sorcerer Dread HQ option like what blood angels get or a rubric dread
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>>55246432
>body-positive hipsizes

more like boner-positive.
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>>55246479
Let's see your army anon
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>>55246473
>>55246487
>not talking about the units
I'm interested in what you guys want for the rules, silly.
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>>55246284
Well don't post her first then.

Hmph. Okay, here's another pic.
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Soon
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>>55246479
Who wants to put effort into an army you only pull out for tournaments?
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>>55246498
I forgot to mention that afterwards I felt bad because my army looks like shit too, but I'm not the one flying to major events, and at least my army is fucking washed and fully painted.
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>>55246422
The defeats are not the point. It's the fight that's being highlighted. Celestine didn't give neither Abaddon or Kharn a run for their money. It was a straight up stomping.
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>>55246432
Well said.
Eat that Drumpatrump!
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>>55246498
>smears feces on a canvas
>"Dude what the fuck."
>"LET'S SEE *YOUR* PAINTING THEN!!!"

The joke'll be on you when I make the best diarrhea mural in the world.
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>>55246241
Who's the alien cat with the dead eyes in the OP?
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>>55246384
>Death Guard
>Rhinos

Okay, buddy.
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>>55246481
As in saints maybe. Her armour is not even from her. She is using stuff from better sisters.
Celestine is just warp demon in new lore. So she can't be a SoB
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>>55246457
You know what they say...
Got no soul- gives up every hole!
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>>55246302
>same wording as for the rule regarding Characters
>you can Overwatch Characters
We need day -1 FAQ.
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>>55246498
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>>55246284
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Relictors anon here, still kicking around list ideas while I wait for stuff to arrive. Been looking at building them using the chaos codex; the daemon weapons are much better which I'd kind of the point, but fluff wise I'd be limited to basic marines, terminators, havocs and chosen and that's pretty much it, as well as not being able to use any of the Mark based stratagems. Also can't take an inquisitor in allied detachment, which is something I wanted to do down the line.

Also, is the hellforged contemptor any good?
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>>55246549
It's different in that it doesn't specify the shooting phase unlike characters.
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>>55246531
I keked pretty hard, not going to lie
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>>55246549
>We need day -1 FAQ.
>day -1

So like...murder the people asking?
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>>55246557
But Emperor, wasn't Tommy one of your past identities?
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>>55246568
You're right. The wording is so inconsistent I still want the FAQ though.
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>>55246523
Let's be fair FoC was a bullshit story.
For Chaos and Imperium. For fuck sake Celestine stabbed Armless the harmless terminator armour while wounded.

Kharn losing in melee would mean his death and that won't sell. Unlike Celestine that simply can't die and revives. So her job in the lore is making other characters look cool by killing an always returning super zombie character
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How come we don't hear more about the emperor's extended family aside from his test tube bois
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>>55246535
Kyubey, from Madoka Magica. Why?
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>>55246580
I thought he was CWC.
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>>55246372
Fuck you I'm talking about units because I want more goddamned tzaangors

And psykdreads

And access to non-rubric marines (i.e. the guys they've recruited using the sorcs' geneseed) who get no VotLW but have renegade tactics.

More variety in psychic powers. And no rule of one.
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>>55246535
Kyubey from Pulella Magi Madoka.

An emotionless, sick fuck, who pulls the cute pet act quite well.
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>>55246580
YOU'RE TEARING ME APART, HORUS!
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>>55246479

>mfw this month I have completed 72 guardsmen, 5 chimeras, a shadowsword, 40 kasrkin, 5 assassins, 2 inquisitors, a henchman posse, 2 techpriests, 3 commissars, 3 tank commanders, and 2 priests, plus cleaning up old paintjobs on 5 more chiemras and 4 LRBTs.
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>>55246594
He was extremely sexually involved with them. It's nothing abnormal.
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>>55246591
>For fuck sake Celestine stabbed Armless the harmless terminator armour while wounded.

Doesn't take a lot of effort and she wasn't that wounded. Abaddon just smashed her to the ground and she spent the next few minutes running from him.

>Kharn losing in melee would mean his death and that won't sell.

Pretty sure Kharn died at the HH but revived.
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>>55246603
But anon, we both know that won't happen, as much as i want to use things like the skyfires, gaunt summoner, etc. so why not talk about the thing that we can at least think about and hope to expect?
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>>55246600
Curious why it was hanging around magnus
>>55246610
Yikes, no kidding
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>>55246621
No one actually knows if he was dead or just unconscious.
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>>55246627
I mean, I just use skyfires as my exalted sorcs.

I wish renegades weren't garbage. Fuck it'd be so cool to convert a tzaangor/kairic acolyte 40k army.
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>>55246617
I did not hit her! I did not! Its bullshit! Oh hi Horus.
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>>55246621
Soo kharn and Celestine revive... the entire fight is pointless.
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>>55246594
He is a Perpetual. A Perpetual character, Alivia Sureka, was sterile. So it's highly likely that he is sterile as well. Remember that Perpetuals are a sub-species of mankind. Nature would not give immortal organisms the ability to reproduce since they don't need it and would be a threat to the species longevity.
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Now that we got Bloodbowl and Necromunda back, is there any chance we might see some more of the old skirmish games like Gorkamorka?
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What sounds better? Wave serpent filled with wraithguard or two venoms with 3 trueborn blasters each?
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>>55246603
>more goddamned tzaangors
ALL ABOARD THE BIRD TRAIN
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>>55246621
Kharn died multiple times during the HH
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>>55246672
Didn't some of the Perpetuals have kids on the reg, though?
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>>55246617
>>55246668
Reminder that he was Vader too
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pW_xdftOspA
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>>55246672
>Nature would not give immortal organisms the ability to reproduce
what is this personification?
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>>55246580
>>55246602
>Emperor is the collective reincarnation of "sages and shaman"
>In this case that means driven, autistic and weirdo creators.
>This makes him as powerful as Neal Breen is in his movies
No wonder people worship him.
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>>55246671
He got her skull for Khorne and she lost a piece of her soul. Unlike the Chaos Gods, The Emperor has a set number of time he can revive someone. Celestine is down to her last lives. This is further proof that the Emperor is a not a god. Slaanesh, for example, brought back Lucius gods knows how many times.
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>>55246689
Vulkan had sons by the tons
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>>55246672
Mr. Baithoven, please not this fucking meme again. We only just recovered from the shitstorm it caused last time.
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>>55246672
>Nature would not give immortal organisms the ability to reproduce since they don't need it and would be a threat to the species longevity.
So sex is useless?
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hey so im going to buy the Start Collecting for Imperial guards as well as the Army Painter Mega Paint set #3. has anyone had luck doing color schemes for STEEL LEGION models like the pic related (fallschirmjäger splinter camo, ones on the right)

also since steel legion is a little bit harder to come by i figure id do half the guard in cadians with a no-camo similar color like pic related (far left dude)
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WTB all your brimstones PST
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>>55246704
Do you actually have the bit of lore that says that or are you just reading things the way you want them to read as usual?
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>>55246742
He isn't wrong about Celestine.
I remember something about her fading away bit by bit per rez
Kharn is just par for the course inconsistent chaos wank
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>>55246733
>this is what most new """""TS""""" armies are starting to look like
Am I the only one who started recently because mages and egyptians are cool and not because of Magnus?
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>>55246742
Each time she dies, a fragment of her soul is lost to the warp where it's devoured by daemons. If the Emperor can't protect his avatar, then how can he protect anyone?
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>>55246758

But Anonymous, where's the other 1500 points of your army?
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>>55246757
Can anyone explain how Lucius works? There's plenty of emotionless or non-biological killers in 40k. What happens if a Necron kills him?
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>>55246757
What if the Emperor is on the verge of God hood and not a fully awakened god. Like Slaanesh before long night.
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>>55246787
Celestine isn't the Emperor's avatar, that's why she cried like a little bitch at the sight of Guilliman.
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>>55246704
But anon the Emperor himself said he was not a god.
So him doing god leve stuff while not being a god sure shits on chaos gods.

That said even the bloody mechanicus can revive people. So reviving individuals is not a great feat in 40k all things consider
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>>55246787
Holy shit, she's a Sigmarine but Chaos steals her soul instead of Nagash.
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>>55246733
> disgusting spam net list
> shit tier air brush job
> Warmashit models
Is it a coincidence?
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>>55246777
Probably, yes. The only people that play actual Thousand Sons seem to be those who played them before Fagnus got a model and OP rules.
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>>55246793
Necrons get turned, robot pride is still pride

Some will beast or indiscriminate artillery or virus bombing would do the job if the person who fired it wasn't proud of the act
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>>55246793
>The Eternal Duellist

>Lucius the Eternal leads a motley warband across the galaxy on the trail of the deadliest opponents his network of admiring torture-cultists can locate for him. He intends to hunt down the best melee fighters in the galaxy and beat them in one-on-one combat or die in the attempt. Over the course of several centuries he defeats the Dark Eldar Archon Vraesque in cursed Shaa-dom, the Emperor’s Champion of the Black Templars at Veilfate, and the Ork Warboss Two-klaws at Octarius Sigma.

>Eventually, on a nameless moon near Damnos, Lucius is cut down by the shape-shifting Necron duellist known only as the Phasing Sword. Not even the Necron’s body of living metal can prevent the Slaaneshi champion’s strange possession-curse from taking hold, however, for it takes a cold pride in its victory, and that is the seed of its undoing. Lucius is reborn inside his killer within days, the xenos warrior’s body drizzling away to reveal the twisted swordsman, as arrogant and maniacal as ever.

Don't act like you didn't read this. Necrons can feel emotion and so they can be turned to victims to the curse.

Even if he killed by something emotionless or by accident, he will return by the will of Slaanesh. Lucius can only be killed by someone whose heart is filled with nothing but compassion and mercy.
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>>55246838
>Necrons can feel emotion
When was this again?
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>>55246793
It's in the 8th edition rulebook. Some Necron kills him, but is satisfied with his kill and so Lucius has now overtaken the Necron's mind.

Not the dumbest shit GW has ever written, but pretty close IMO.
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>>55246850
Since Necron 3th ED.
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>>55246838
>pacifist Titan accidentally steps on Lucius and feels only deep remorse
>'perfect duelist' destroyed
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>>55246833
Doesn't Slaanesh just bring him back if something kills him emotionlessly?
I recall it being said that the only way to kill him for good was if someone with a pure heart did it out of pity.
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>>55246850
Two examples I can think of
The one that kills Lucius
The one that is impressed by a Tau pilot as it destroys his Scythe in a dogfight
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>>55246787
But anon she is not his avatar.
Just a random girl that happens to be a living saint. What fuck are those? No idea. Warp fuckery? Non warp magic? Human evolution? Emperor doing stuff for shit and giggles?

Living saint are individuals with "divine" powers. There was a saint that cleaned a Hive world water supply for ever just by touching it. Can't recall if it had some
Nurgle crap in it or not. But the water got clean.

The Emperor does not have avatars running around
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>>55246861

>Obvious Lucius is reborn as a titan as Chaos never actually suffers a loss
t. ADB
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>>55246856
Do Rubric marines feel emotion now? There's bound to be some opportunistic Sorceror wanting to give Slaanesh the finger.
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>>55246719
DIO was immortal and he had lots of kids
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>>55246880
Except for the fact that Celestine is being recreated from literally nothing in the Warp by the Emperor and she keeps getting visions for him telling her what to do.

Even Chaos daemons call her the Daughter of the Emperor
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>>55246880
There was the one in Gaunt's Ghosts that cured all the wounded guardsmen, including one with severe brain damage by touching the pool they were in.
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>>55246862
>a pure heart
Does pure evil work?
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>>55246895
He wasn't immortal like Perpetuals are; he just didn't suffer the effects of age. Outside of the Xenos Cabal fiat, there's no confirmed end for Perpetuals in 40k.
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>>55246893
Yes.

One of them told Khayon goodbye before Horus Reborn perma-killed it.
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>>55246423
>she pegged Abby
hawt
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>>55246905
Daughter of the Emperor is a generic name for the Sisters.
It goes back to the time the church runned the Imperium
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>>55246895
DIO can still be killed. I wonder how the mechanicus reacts to the 30+ Kars on Mars.
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>>55246423
Your nigga got Pokemon'd by Trazyn.
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>>55246905
>Even Chaos daemons call her the Daughter of the Emperor
They seem like trustworthy sources

Besides, chaos calls everyone "X of the Emperor"
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>>55246916
I dunno. Would Vegeta feel pity while killing Lucy?
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>>55246924
Is anything emotionless in 40k anymore? Sooner or later the Men of Iron and C'tan will get Lucius in them.
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>>55246880
>>55246905
>>55246911
Shes actually a greater demon of Malal
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>>55246950
C'tan have emotions.
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>>55246950
Lucius is killed by a trap set by a man long dead and has nowhere to respawn to.
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>>55246905
She's basically a daemon prince of the Emperor. Like the Sanguinor.
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>>55246950

I just realized what is going to happen next, in the inevitable EC codex, Lucius will one-up himself and take over a Tyranid body. Most likely the Swarm Lord. You know it is gonna happen, SL is made to job in these circumstances
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>>55246950
Tau drone?
Random servo skull?
Random mine in a minefield?
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>>55246960
>Alternate bad future Emperor dies and becomes Malal
>due to Warp time fuckery he travels back in time and helps his former self
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>>55246950
Well the writing sure is recently.
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>>55246972
>>55246990
> Lucius gets chumped by some random landmine
> All the souls he absorbed over the years endlessly mock him for it
> Now he actively seeks death to escape the heckling
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>>55246990
>>55246972
As long as the person who set the trap felt pity and is of a pure heart. Maybe a shard of Magnus's soul could do it. Or maybe a repentant Fulgrim.
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>>55247023
Corax might be enough of an edgelord to do it.
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>>55247023
>someone has pity sex with Lucius
>turns out had a pure heart somehow
>also had an STD which kills Lucius
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>>55246948
Possibly in the "what a scrub" sense
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>>55246560
the only thing that's missing from this picture is a giant cock up his cute butt
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>>55247044
So a Sororita from the Ordo Famulous has to fuck him.

EZ
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>>55247044
Isha gets free from nurgle but caught by Slaanesh
Lucy gets invited to the orgy out of pity
Ishas nurgle based stds kill everything
Tzeentch says just as planned
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>>55246423
So what has Abaddon done since Cadia got Daemonized, anything
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>>55247059
Must be some extreme super-AIDS though. Nurgle himself would need to work overtime.
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>>55246861
>gets killed by a stray shot to the head since he doesn't wear a helmet and the shooter doesn't even notice
>gets blown apart by artillery guns stationed 7 miles away operated by a bored crew
>tifan steps on him accidentally without realizing it
Really, after 10,000 years that fucker should have died for good one way or another.
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>>55246970
Holy fuck that was good. I love the story of the Astral Knights but I've only read the cliff notes. What book is this from?
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>>55247073
So a normal day at a Noble house.
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>>55246793
>>55246833
>>55246861
>>55246893

All y'all motherfuckers trying to come up with clever ways to ice my boi Luc.

Only way to kill a nigga that cold is in a straight up fight. Ya can't bomb him, ya can't poison him, ya can't feed him to your dog. He just walks through that shit like a baller, all smiles.
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>>55246838
What if I kill Lucius and then anhero
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>>55247102
If you're that much of a pussy, you ain't killing Lucius.
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>>55246423
Creed deserves it for messing around near the frontline like some memelord retard. He's a Lord General of the Imperial Guard not some line officer.
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>>55246972
>lucious is killed by a trap
The only way for a champion of the pleasure god to go
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>>55247108
>implying I need skills to missile spam an entire war zone
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>>55246487
I think a psychic Dreadnought is pretty much number one on every wishlist I've seen
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>>55247122
In the earlier fights he was near the front lines because they were collapsing and just by him visiting them they rallied.

Against Abaddon, I forget the reason, but him and the group with Celestine were fighting in some enclosed underground cavern where Trazyn released some 30K Ultras and Custodes to help them out.
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What is a Sister of Silence kills him?
Can they warp fuck a blank?

Or an automaton?
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>>55247093
>ya can't feed him to your dog
So certain are you?
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How different can tyranid's from different hive fleets look from one another? I wan't to do some warriors for an Armageddon campaign that a few friends and I are doing but I'm planning on converting them to be a bit more lovecraftian, not sure if it makes sense fluffwise though.
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>>55247154

Ymgarl Genestealers have Cthulhu heads, as do a lot of the standard biomorphs, shouldn't be an issue.
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Two questions. I know people hate on Ork Trukks, but are they really that bad in numbers?

Follow up, are battlewagons also equally hated on? Or are they slightly better?
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>>55246241
so what do you think the necromunda set will go for? 100€? 125€?
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>>55247153
Stop using Carlos wrong
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>>55247125
Just as planned!
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>>55246312

>Same pose as Morty

Damnit that's why I hate the Morty model. Looks like a bloated living saint instead of a Death Guard primarch.
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>>55247149
>Trazyn released some 30K Ultras and Custodes to help them out.
I'm betting he even has a few Squats there.
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So after seeing the NOVA results I'm seeing lots of 'wah nerf guard :(' salt everywhere.

Anyone else laughing about people not giving credit to the actual army commander who played to his strengths and won? And how no one brought sniper rifles to pop commissars?
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>>55247198
Stop fat shaming
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>>55247198
The Morty model and the whole new Death Guard line looks great. (malignant plaguecaster excluded but he just needs a face swap)
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So is he Emperor, Nurgle or Slaanesh?
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>>55247218
so every army should bring vindicares just in case they face imperial guard?
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>>55247218
Not all armies have easy access to snipers.
Then again, I personally think that Magnus/Maelific Lord spam needs the bat more anyway.
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>>55247218
>the actual army commander who played to his strengths and won

>implying the skill ceiling for 40k isn't abysmally low
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>>55247218
>bring snipers
plenty of guard players did, they brought ratlings
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>>55247218
>Anyone else laughing about people not giving credit to the actual army commander who played to his strengths and won?

No, because regardless of the pilot's competence, inherently unbalanced lists are still a problem. It doesn't matter how skilled Tyson or Ali or Mayweather or whoever is at boxing, there's weight classes for a reason. Bringing up how skilled these champions are has nothing to do with the issue.

>And how no one brought sniper rifles to pop commissars?

They're not available to every faction.

Casuals might be at fault for commenting on and complaining about metagames they don't even understand or participate in, but are you going to try to say the game is perfectly balanced? That IG, assassin spam, Tzeentch, etc don't need nerfs?
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>>55247245
Sure. The Eldar have a way of attracting Vindicare.
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>>55247268
>shitting on casuals
dont pretend you arent scrub tier anon
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Are we back yet? Fuck, if Squats are going to aos before 40k then we might as well see Bretonnia in space.
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>>55247218

K, I'll just incorporate some snipers into my Ork list.
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>>55247321
Didn't a Cain book have Ork snipers or something similar?
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>>55247318
>Bretonnia in space

That's already a thing, friend
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>>55247321
Good on you m8!
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>>55247093
>you will never have a daemon loli shipmaster
>you will never have a qt Archon be tsun as fuck for you
>you will never assert dominance over a dark eldar Kabal in the gladiatorial arena
>you will never impress fellow chaos space marines with your skill that they forsake their legion and join your warband
feels bad man
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DEMON FULGRIM FUCKING WHEN?
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>>55247334
Ork snipers? Fucking yes please.

Big shoota with a scope, give it the sniper rule, play that shit for days.
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>>55247318
You will have your turn after Tomb Kings return.
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>>55247359
see this is why you lot are losing in Konor
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>>55247334

15 Hours had grot snipers.
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>>55247368
WE PG-13 NOW
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>>55247368
When we confirm his penis works.
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http://www.belloflostsouls.net/2017/09/40k-rumors-whiff-waaagh.html

Don't toy with me Hastings
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>>55247375
> implying he/she/it actually plays.
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>>55247369
I like to think the Ork sniper rifle is the mek snotling gun
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>>55246672
That is not how evolution works anon. "Nature" doesn't do shit.
>>
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If a boulder falls on Lucius what happens?

>>55247387
>Hastings
Hasn't he been just wrong for the last year or so?
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>>55246684
CA-CAW
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>>55246517
I thought those were orks in bumper cars until I opened it
.
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>>55247385
like this but with dicks
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>>55247422
Slannesh would dick slap it out of the way before it hit.
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>>55247321

Tough luck NPCs
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>>55247241
I should cosplay as Chris-chan for the next con.
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>>55247368
When he gets ahold of another Pear of Anguish. Vanilla porn won't do it for him.
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>>55247245
He didn't have any, and there's other ways to deal with characters.

>>55247256
NOVA had a fixed set of missions and objectives. The game wasn't a crapshoot on who got lucky with objectives and who got SOL. Yes, there was a very meta level of strategy beyond the meta of the game with what or was not powerful.

>>55247253
That was actually the finals match; 13 malefic lord with a super chicken and a bunch of brimstones, and some mortar teams, command lascannon teams, and lascannon sentinels against the guard commander.

>>55247260
I was going to go there with 120 ratlings and a bunch of taurox primes but I couldn't afford to go.

>>55247268
Again, fixed tournament structure that removed RNG from the game. It was more built on the back of how he played his list to play to the rules to build his list. IG don't need nerfs. They can still lose plenty of games if they play poorly or get blowouts on bad luck. Likewise, the winner's list had no answer to heavy units. Volume of dice can only do so much. The other thing that would have destroyed him would have been dedicated CC lists crashing into his gunlines and chopping down more men than he could throw at the problem and maintain a firebase.

>>55247321
Lootas and boyz. That's all I ever play. It's hilarious fun.
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>>55247463
Someone would probably shoot you out of mercy.
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>>55246302

>invincible havoks

Wonderful!
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>there will never be 40k rules for SoS beyond the basics
>you will never dump your load of sisters out of a stealth dildo armed with mini guns
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>>55247084
"World Engine".
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The Invitational Final was disappointing.
Daemons vs IG aside. The Daemons player immediately surrendered when he found out he was stuck going second. There was no game
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>>55247482
Looks more like an AdMech fleshlight to me.
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>>55247490
The winner of the GT and the Invitational was the same person.

And yes I heard that did happen. That's less about how IG are OP and more about how shitty 8th edition is with how the player going first will win something to the tune of 80% of all games.
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>>55247490
Really?

Are the results posted anywhere?
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>>55247508

I know, at least play the damn game, it is the final match
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>>55247490
source?
also how the fuck do you go second against guard other than a seize?
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How do we feel about this little guy?
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>>55247536
green/10
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>>55246733
I saw that army at NOVA... and about 20 more just like them. Magnus, Knights, and Brimstones as far as the eye can see...

What is it about Brimstones anyways, aside from how cheap they are? What purpose do they serve in an army? Not dying?
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>>55247505
That's because the shutters aren't down
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>>55247536
Definitely green/10
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>>55247544
people spamming shit at tournies isnt a new thing, last edition it was jetbikes, warp spiders, and knights as far as the eye could see
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>>55247515
Invitational was won by guard, Daemons runner up.
Tourney was like 75% Daemon/Guard/Marines

The GT tourney part, top 5 was
Guard
Chaos
Guard
Guard
Ultramarines

>>55247544
Best save on a cheap unit.
They got a 4++
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Posting here also, what else should I base red on a crimson fist marine?

yes I am aware of the primer issue that made the surfaces rough, I already fixed it on the other dudes
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>>55247575
did the winner dedicate his victory to chaos?
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>>55247475
It'd be worth the laugh.
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>>55247596
No the winner was IG beating Chaos and he did so with poise and professionalism. And watching the play on Twitch the Chaos player was cheating.
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>>55247609
Huh what was he doing to cheat? That's turrable.
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>>55247609
based
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>>55247241
I can't even tell anymore. I remember back in the day it was unanimously agreed that he would be reincarnated as a Great Unclean One but now that all this tranny shit has started I feel like he may have fallen out of Papa Nurgle's favor.
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>>55247609

What was the twitch channel? I need to watch it.
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>>55247640
id also like to watch that
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>>55247575
Top 20 in the GT had 2 Xenos. Elves of course, Ynarri.
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>>55247637
> implying Nurgle wouldn't be all for that pus filled gash
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>>55247656
Where are these results posted?
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>>55247626
I saw a couple dice getting palmed and 'short gaming' so to speak. Like not doing the actual action or taking the correct casualty and dumping off damage down the ladders of pink/blue/brimstones. I'd have to re-read the entry but I'm pretty sure you can't do it.
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>>55247473
>play a rogue build that loses to the rest of the field! that's how you beat IG!

If IG's only weaknesses don't exist or aren't viable, it doesn't have any weaknesses. You are probably one of the people who think Smogon rules suck.
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>>55247668
You are right, it is pretty infected last time I checked.
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>>55246531
>Modern art
>No, really, it's not even a joke at this point
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So is it weird that I want there to be Orks who strap suicide bomb vests to their chests, run towards enemy lines, and then proceed to explode themselves against their enemies. Only for the power of the WAAAGH!!! To keep them alive and unharmed.
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>>55247640
>>55247651
Mismatched Plays twitch tv/ (fuck you filters) videos/171967987 Skip to about 4 hours for the final GT match.
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>>55247711

blessed by both nurgle and doubles, nice
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>>55247680
I think there are some bullshit rules for Smogon like I straight up am banned from Speed Boost Blaziken (whoever the salty nigger saying he was Uber tier should be lynched) but you act like Guard actually don't have weaknesses to things like this list was weak against: High toughness wound pools that can advance forward and push them back. Or going second. That list going second has SERIOUS issues with how it's going to handle a game if the enemy can dash up and close the distance before the mortars can wear things down for lasguns to finish off.
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>>55247751
>straight up am banned from Speed Boost Blaziken
I still don't get this Pokemans metagame
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>>55247751
>hes still bitching
its been two gens move on, he gets very high usage in ubers
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>>55247711
Thanks. Conscript spam vs Brimstone spam. What a shit game.
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>>55247765
upvoted :)
Edit: woah, thanks for the gold!
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>>55247751
>he says that like armies can just "dash up" and charge turn 1
>I guess all other ranged armies should just not exist because lol IG
>he thinks absurd T and W models are everywhere
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>>55246302
Why not just place it on the assaulting squad and be literally immune to shooting the whole game???
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>>55247806
There is upvoting on here now?!
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>>55247799

What matters is this win is for the God Emperor.
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>>55246880
Emperor-aligned daemons, basically.
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>>55247751

Blaziken is banned because speed boost makes it able to beat all its counters except Giratina, which is already banned. When the game turns into "who can get their blaziken to win first" or "stop the blaziken or lose", stuff will be suspected. And if the top players who gain the most experience and play time in that test vote for it to be banned because they said "yeah, this test has been far more enjoyable and balanced than when the suspect problem was around" then it gets banned.

It's not like things are just banned willy nilly, some things don't even get banned despite being suspected multiple times. If something is banned, it's not only because it was a big eonugh problem to interrupt normal activities to hold a suspect ladder, it also means it got a majority vote from the best players.

You want to stop shit from getting banned? Then get more of your friends playing, and beat everyone else to prove you know what you're doing, then vote how you want.
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>>55247824
Of course, good sir
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>>55247826
At what cost, anon? At what cost? No victory is worth such faggotry.
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>>55247809
Well, take some non-cheesed Tau suits for example
>Squad with three triple melta, one triple flamer
>Squad with three triple plasma, one triple flamer
>Squad with quad triple burst cannon

They can Manta Strike in and hose down a lot of models, or start in cover and cruise forward a quarter of the board and hose down models.

Orks can throw as many bodies as they have conscripts and sometimes get a lucky charge on a good advance roll.

Tyranids can march the hoard forward.

Primaris Marines are a bit of a problem thanks to being multi-wound models army wide.

I'm not going to hold your fucking hand. Learn the game better, scrublord.

>>55247782
>>55247783
That was when I last played and almost won an OU tournament with a Shell Bell Aron and a Hippodon.
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>finally take 10 rubrics with all warpflamers
>proceed to thoroughly rape a slamnesh/nurgle assault army through the ass
Best 325 points in my life, holy shit was that awesome
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>>55247938
I've been wanting to build a list with a heavy spend on warpflamers. I was thinking 10 man squads with 4/4/2 for the warpflamers, soulreapers, and bolters.
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>>55247961
Can't do 2 SRC in 10man

It's 1 at 5
2 at 20
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>>55247969
No it isn't. It's 1 at 10, 2 at 20.
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>>55247693
Tankbustas with Rokkit hammers.

They usually don't survive.
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>Always kinda liked Tsons
>wound up going batmans instead
>still think about a TSons army
>Magnus ruined everything
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>>55247995
It's not the same as the index anymore
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>>55247995
I want you to know you're a fucking idiot, idiot
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>>55248022
Why wouldn't you take msu Rubrics anyway?
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>>55246284
>>
So who is looking forward to mortarion/magnus buddy cop armies?
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>>55248031
Now?
Literally no reason not to take 5man with SRC for 130 pts
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>>55247924
Commander spam is better
Orks are another broken horde army
Tyranids are another broken horde army
Primaris Marines lose to IG
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>>55248040

Grey Knight players.
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>>55247924
>USE HIGH T HIGH W MODELS
>you know those aren't all over the place right
>JUST USE PRIMARIS FUCKING SCRUB

T4 W2 isn't high you fucking mong. Tyranid Warriors were such an OP unit in 7E right?
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>>55247924
>Drop down
>Can't use any of the flamers
>Get 200 lasgun shots to the face the next turn
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>>55248048
How well would that do in a NL army? Thinking about adding some cult Marines because I just realized they have the <Legion> keyword and not 1ks, DG, ect.
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>>55247924
>I'm not going to hold your fucking hand

You mean you're not going to back up the statements you make.
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>>55248074
you're demanding to be spoonfed

>>55247969
Yeah that was my mix up with the 1k Terminators who can take 2 at 10 bodies.
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>>55248074
Honestly, if they were T5 they would've been.
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>>55247218
You ever thought about WHY that build was picked so often?
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>>55248112
>Makes bullshit claim
>Gets called on it
>"I'm not gonna spoonfeed you"

The absolute mongoloid
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>>55247961
Its baller man. Dumbasses just waste cheap fire on them and do no damage, then panic and waste heavier fire when they shouldn't. in cover they don't give a fuck about most any small arms, autocannons are the only thing I found can fuck em up.

But yeah, mixing them with some Khorne bezerkers and cultist screens (AL or IW tactic is best for rubrics imo) is baller, drop a termie bomb and a few obliterators too and it's seriously cooking
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>>55248112
>makes a claim
>can't provide anything to backup the claim
>all shitty arguments provided were refuted
>YOU JUST WANT TO BE SPOONFED

I already know how to curbstomp memescripts. All you have to do is take an even more broken list. That still doesn't prove how memescripts aren't broken.
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>>55248103
>Dropping in out of cover against models that hit on 5s and wound on 5s
>Statistically getting 23 wounds to save on 3+ rather than a 2+
>Dropping in within 12" rather than 17" forcing your enemy to either move for double taps or just get half the shots

You're shit at the game. Learn some tactical deployments or quite bitching that it's not 7E easy mode anymore.
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>>55248107
Don't know much about NL, is it fluff rape for them to pal around with psykers?

Otherwise you get some good shooting against infantry and baby smite, but SRC are not anti tank
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>>55248176
>I'm going to spend the points for 16 fully kitted out battlesuits to kill one 150pt blob of conscripts

Fuck, you got me
You're the tactical genius here
>>
Tipsy at the bar and thought up DE list.

Does my drunk tactics actually apply to rules and good form?


Regular detach:

4 wracks with haemonculus in a venom

2x 4 wyches with agonizers and hydra gauntlets with a succubus and a archon in a raider with dark lances

Razorwing


Elite detach:

Archon

2x 5 kabalite trueborn with 3 blasters each and 2 dark lances each in a raider (6 blasters, 4 lances)

10x mandrakes

Taking away any rules i am not following, for number of weapons, is this viable?
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>>55248192
Night Lords don't give a fuck about psykers. They mostly just hate daemons and chaos worshippers. Their biggest warband is led by a daemon prince so some of them are fine with anything.
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>>55247673
>the correct casualty
what edition is this
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>>55248226
>16 suits
>12 were listed
>4 of which had heavy anti-infantry guns

Your math is shit kiddo. 288 points for a durable unit that can push the cost to 347 and bring 16 gun drones for 28 more shots at the same strength.

To give you your math:
172 shots, 86 hits, 57 wounds.
29 dead bodies if they've got cover or psychic barrier, 38 dead otherwise.

And that was just a single dedicated anti-horde unit that didn't bring any flamers.
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>>55248248

>he hasn't read Red Tithe

NL suspect psykers of foul taints the most out of all the other traitor legions, and only work with them reluctantly for the sake of the Long War or towards profit.
>>
is it true that WE and EC are getting their own dexes?
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Guy who got a lucky vehicle explosion yesterday that killed Magnus here, looking for some input on what I should choose for my new color scheme for Sisters. I really wanna go full 'muh dudes' with it, but don't quite know where to start.
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>>55248334
No
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>>55248316
>only work with them reluctantly for the sake of the Long War or towards profit.
The same could be said of their deamons, their chaos marks, and even their own squadmates.
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>>55246725
>Base:
Death world forest green for the top, zandri dust for bottom and helmet, rhinox hide for mask, straps, and boots.
>Layer
Highlight with elysian geen, karak stone, and skrag brown

Or go Vallejo who literally sell the colors you're looking for in a set.

I want to do the similar but with DAK colors
Pic semi related, but with castellan green and loren forest
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>>55248339
Blue and gold
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>>55248339
Alpha Legion
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>>55248334
As neat as it would be for other legions to be getting new toys to play with, not at the moment.
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>>55248339
Blue with green trim or blue with gold trim and dust inside.
CAPTCHA: SAND LAKE
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>>55248339
I just tried this for my killteam yesterday. Are sisters usually this hard to create color schemes for? Is it because their models are so busy?
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>>55248339
Maybe go with standard main colors but new personal off colors? ie black armor with blue tabards
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>>55248356
>Mom! Can I go play with my Action Figures in the yard?
>Okay, sweetie, but be back inside by dinner.
>>
>>55248339
Alpha legion colors since they're all actually alpharius
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>>55248409
>ywn fuck sister alpharius
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>>55248380
Whoa bro lol. Except it was my wife
>>
New thread

>>55248376
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>>55248380
>he doesn't play with his army men on the yard

what a fucking nerd desů
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>>55248352

Special exceptions are made for comrades of the Long War. Those exceptions do not extend to psykers, and by extension daemons. NL see them as tools and tenuous allies, nothing more - a stark, erroneous contrast compared to their other traitor brethren; specifically the degree of trust that the heretics place in their dealings with daemons and the reliability of battlefield performance that results from that trust.
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>>55248429
Fucking kill yourself
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>>55248423
You married your mom? That's kinda hot.
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>>55248339
This is what I got so far for my sisters that I'm just starting, though I may change things up a bit. But I have Orks (lots of colors unified by green), GSC (with a focus on purple and neon green) and will be making a light blue Space Marine force... so for me red was a natural choice to have them stand out among my other stuff. Also the red and beige will sorta match purity seals.

Not sure if that helps you think of something you like, but I suggest bold colors. Since the SoB minis are all older, they're not overloaded with details, and bold color choices will really stand out with them.
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>>55248439
Just linking new thread fig....
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>>55248441
Lol no. But I think you knew that already ;P
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>>55247580
If you're aware, why aren't you stripping it, baby?
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>>55248516
Because he's the first dude I base coated, so figure I didn't want to waste the effort. I stripped him after i took the pic.

Just am trying to figure out where to put red
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Still waiting for Space Dorfs.
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>>55248305
For that amount of points, you're looking at 100 conscripts with commander and commisar
Per 4 suits
For all 12, you're pushing close to 1,000pts, in which case there isn't even enough turns in the game to finish them all off with your battlesuits
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>>55248433
Anon who asked the original question here:

What about "specialist" night lords the are counts as Plague/Rubric/Noise/Zerkers? The latter two are easy enough to explain as either dudes with shrieking cannons to terrify their enemies or night lords particularly fond of MURDER AND SKULLS, but the others are a little more tricky. For plague Marines, I'm thinking of a heavier looking team, maybe using MkIII Prospero Marines, using poison weapons to inflict pain. Rubrics, could honestly be the same, though.
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>>55248361
>>55248362
>>55248375
>>55248378
>>55248379
>>55248409
>>55248459
Thanks for the input, guys. How does silver armor with blue trim and green tabards sound for a color scheme?
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hey do strength modifiers apply before or after a melee multiplier

>is a chaplain w/ powerfist and +1S warlord trait (salamanders) S9 or S10 in melee?
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>>55248516
>>55248532

It's a legitimate question though, where else do I base in red?
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>>55248339
>>55248586

I find a simple scheme is the best for sisters. Mine are silver armor, red robes, gold icons. Silver and blue would probably work, though not sure about the green. It probably would.
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>>55248607
10 I would think
Since it applies the modifier to his stat line, and the power fist just takes his statline strength and doubles it
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>>55248571

Your dudes, your rules. Just spare us rainbow pony colors.
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>>55248607
It'd be plus 1 to his base Strength, so S5x2 with the powerfist.
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>>55248629
In light of recent stories, giving a nod to the Alpha Legion makes me feel like it's worth it.
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>>55248630
ok thanks, I just remember it was S9 in the same case in 7E.
>gotta go knock some demon birds out of the sky then
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>>55248429
A little early, like 2 hours early
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>>55248640
Nah, I'm night lords. We In Midnight Clad, baby.
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>>55248571
Night Lords tend to actively scorn open displays of devotion to the Chaos Gods, but that's not true of all warbands. The cult troops frequently act as mercenaries anyways so it's not exactly hard to explain why they are fighting alongside Night Lords or even in their colors.
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>>55248640
https://derpicdn.net/img/2015/11/11/1021228/large.jpg

You'd be surprised how tastefully it can be done when there's a skilled artist doing it.
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>>55248419
At least not without knowing it
>alpharius omegon's greatest secret is they they are reverse traps
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>>55248743
>Alpha Legion was the FemMarines all along
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>>55248339

Try a metallic. Bronze, copper, or a silver/gold mix. Think Minotuars chapter marines but with tits.
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>>55248679
>recast assmarines
>not even MKII or V
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>>55248339
Here are the six major official orders to give you a sense of what is painted what in the official schemes. Bolter and Chainsword has a SoB painter that you may find useful:

http://www.bolterandchainsword.com/sisterp.php
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>>55248799
Already had the list, but thanks for the link.
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>>55248799
If most of my shit want already a variant of Argent Shroud, I'd do Bloody Rose. Even did a test model awhile ago. I didn't realize how comfy red armor was.
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>>55248621
Nothing, bro. That's all the red things.
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>>55248876
Thank you
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>>55248621
Only other red things would be purity seals or any cloth/leather. But that mini doesn't have that.
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>>55247334
Celestial Lions would know.
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So uhh... you think nids are gonna get new models with the next dex drop?
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>>55247751
>complains about SB Blakizen being banned

Yeah you sound like an authority on balance.
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>>55249019
Lol no
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>>55247218
Yes, snipers aside, plenty of ways to get past. My own experience with librarian blood boil and flying units getting in to tight spots and forcing them out.
People only want to believe memes
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>>55249019
I can only hope so. There's no reason that the Hive Tyrant to be unavailable online.
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>>55247924
>almost won an OU tournament with a Shell Bell Aron and a Hippodon
Were you playing against literal 9 year olds?
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>>55248586
Go black tabards with black bolter. The rest is fine
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>>55249054
Except the HT is already a new kit and there's no reason for them to replace it.
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>>55248640
No
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>>55249019
The most we could hope for is to have the finecast swapped out for plastic.
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>>55249078
He's just getting reboxed.
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>>55248040
>>55248067
>field draigo and voldus against magnus and morty
>both die of PTSD turn 1
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>>55249223
when you only need to get smite off 6 times on a 4+ for grey knights to kill morty
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>>55248795
https://derpicdn.net/img/view/2014/12/9/781045__safe_queen+chrysalis_changeling_warhammer+40k_space+marine_miniature_bolter_artist-colon-mystia_missile+launcher_twin-dash-linked.jpg

how about some bug flyers

also

>recast
nigga you trippin if you dont recognize older shittier marine castings.
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>>55249291
>Bug flyers
>Not Nid models
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>>55249259
9 times, he has atleast a 5+ FnP
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>>55248550
So if they conga line 100 bodies and lose nearly 40 of them per turn to -one- volley, and they're losing firepower exponentially while you sit on objectives and they do nothing... I'm not sure you get the point of the comparison there. When you compare points like that it's not very effective and you can start chewing through more bodies than they can afford very quickly with a simple change in directed fire. If you eat 30/50 conscripts, you have dropped their firepower by more than half. You then casually move and spray another 30 bodies off the table and laugh. This is also assuming they're more than 30" away from your gunlines which can add additional casualties.

You can easily wear down conscripts by doing their job better. You hit more often, you wound more often. To give your perspective:

XV8 w/ 3 Burst Cannon: 72pts
18 shots, 9 hits, 6 wounds, 4 dead.

24 Conscripts: 72pts
48 shots, 16 hits, 5-6 wounds, 1-2 stick.

Difference? XV8 can drop into cover and have 18" to work with, cutting the firepower of those 24 Conscripts massively.

24 shots, 8 hits, 2-3 wounds, MAYBE one sticks because the suit has a 2+ save. The suit doesn't lose anything.

All depends on how you use the points. And the suits don't need support from special characters to not roll over and die instantly, or double their shots to compensate their horrible accuracy.
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speaking of GK, can someone do a recolor of the custodes telemon dreadnought, I want to make a GK patrol detachment for 40k but don't want to use a babycarrier...was thinking of painting this bad boy silver instead
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>>55249372
different anon here

but against body spam lists, the spam isn't what kills you its their support and you can't kill both their support and spam.

In some matches you statistically don't have enough rolls to remove the bodies.
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>>55249372
Okay, but you're completely forgetting about orders
The thing that makes conscripts so great in the first place?

Even if all your suits are in cover, with a 2+ save, 300 conscripts with orders are going to be doing 11.1 wounds a turn on your battlesuits, effectively wiping a whole squad of 4 each turn
Even if you kill 40 of them a turn, that's still only 13% of their fire power down each turn, while they are killing 33% of your suits per turn
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>>55249019
If you can't put the word primaris or nurgle in front of it, I doubt you're getting a new model this year.
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>>55249401
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>>55249401
I think the Telemon is like twice the size of a baby carrier, Grandmaster.
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>>55249414
200 conscripts is 4 drops minimum before HQ/Elites, which is going to be 2-4 additional drops.

685 points:
Lord Commissar + Company Commander
4 blobs of 50 Conscripts

682 points:
HQ 4 Burst Cannons, 2 gun drones
Strike team w/ Markerlight
9 Pathfinders w/ Markerlights
4 XV8s w/ 3 Burst Cannon
1 XV8 Shas'vre w/ 2 Burst Cannon and Drone Controller
10 Gun Drones

Tau deploy second and still go first.

You can only fit so many conscripts into a deployment region and if it's corners, you'll be fucked.

Turn 1: Tau suits drop in
Shooting: 10 Marker shots, 5 hits. All subsequent shots will add 1 to hit rolls and re-roll 1s. No cover bonus.
==Using the Mathhammer page==
HQ Suit: 15.56 hits, 10.37 wounds. 6.914 dead.
Gun Drones: 48 shots, hit on 3+ (Drone Controller + Markerlights, re-rolling 1s) 37.33 hits, 24.89 wounds, 16.59 dead.
XV8s: 68 shots, same rules as gun drones. 52.89 hits, 35.26 wounds, 23.51 dead.

Tally: 47.014 dead bodies, up to 48 for the Lord Commissar popping one.

And just as a courtesy, with 25m bases (1") touching tip to tip, the most you can do is 12 men deep, and 16 ranks across, making sure to cover enough bodies around so you get the Commissar bubble.

Of course, that just literally ate a quarter of your entire battle force and if you deployed them in any manner even remotely useful, you're out of range to actually take return shots with a majority of your remaining firepower, and you're fighting against 2+ saves.

Have fucking fun.
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>>55249898
I can't believe you took so long to write up this goalpost moving shitheap of an argument
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>>55249898
And if by some miracle you got 4 orders out of your one commander AND got into double tap ranges, 608 shots from your remaining 152 conscripts would result in 202.67 hits, 67.56 wounds, and 11.26 unsaved damage to the 5 battlesuits. But, that's literally impossible.
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>>55249946
You moved the goalpost first, asswipe.

>hurr what makes conscripts good is attached units, durr

It was hardly a long time since I've got a handy tool called battlescribe. Sick of all these stupid nignogs calling foul about conscripts. They can't even pull good damage numbers if targets are out of 12" range.
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>>55249980
It was always about having officers and commissars in it though?
Because that's the tactic that won, that was being discussed?

>Look if I just take 1,000pts of battlesuits I'll table this tournament winning list
>But no
>Uuuhh no cus if I completely change my list I'll win ez, showed you good
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>>55249980
I don't know, senpai. Conscripts dominated at NOVA last weekend... even beat out Magnus-lead brimstone spam pretty decidedly. Hell, only 2 Xenos armies even broke the top 20 and those were fucking elves.
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>>55250018
They're cheap bodies. You're not taking them for their firepower, you're taking them for the real estate. I doubt many people used them beyond what they're most effective at: Clogging the board and holding objectives forever. That's how the winner won his matches. He played the long game and took 9 primary points in his first 3 turns and did whatever secondary/tertiary objectives he needed to do and locked a lot of dumb opponents out of end-game objectives.

>>55250006
Well no because your argument was you could out-dakka the suits. Which you can if you devote your entire force into shooting one unit off the table, assuming you can get e v e r y o n e into 12" range and have enough orders to give them all 4 shots.
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>>55250006
It's easy to look back on all this linked bullshit and see where you've moved the posts twice. You lost, m8.
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>>55250061
But yes
If you're shooting them, you're within 18"
Which means they can move up into rapid fire range, and you have a platoon commander for every 100 conscripts, which can issue two orders a turn
I was even being generous and assuming that all your suits were in cover with a 2+ save against every shot. Otherwise you're losing 5 suits a turn

>>55250088
Nice same fagging
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>>55250101
You have 100 bodies that were not shot back to nothing and are all in range of things? How did you manage to squeeze them all together in such a way? Even still that leaves you with only the 6" to get the first rank into range for double taps. You would have to do a lot of creative positioning to bring those shots to bear, and if you were attacked from a corner of your block of men you'd have a large gap in the force.

You'd need to pull this autistic fidget spinner looking pattern to soak shots with bodies to spare, which could easily be split up to force you to burn half the models in two squads.

And don't forget that once there's enough space open around your characters I can zoom over and blast them.
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>>55250262
Why would anyone ever pull models from the front in this situation?
Or from around the characters?
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>>55249898
The thing is that you are looking at this in a vacuum.

conscript spam is only half the battle, its the meaty sponge for you to waste small arms fire. The real danger comes in the form of vets/scions/HWT.

If you waste small arms fire on the vets/scions/HWT, you wont have enough to remove the conscripts off the objectives.

If you waste them on the conscripts you get torn to shreds by the vets/scions/HWT.
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Are land speeder storms not good anymore? I know they lost scout, so I am unsure
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I'm thinking of getting some of Grishnak's war maidens, but I don't really like their heads. Anyone have a good suggestion? I don't really need the traditional SoB haircut (actually thinking of putting some of the new House Escher heads on them if they look good), so any good female heads will do. Thinking about Statuesque Miniature's new female heads, but not sure what scale is right. I'm assuming "heroic narrow" but any anons who have experience with these might be able to tell me for sure.
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Should I convert a melee plague marine squad with flails of corruption or wait for codex to commit? Or just stay shooty
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>>55251148
I'm staying shooty, butf axes and flails aren't a bad option
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>>55246684
First bird head looks better than the smaller head. I like the idea of the smaller head on a much larger body, but the larger head just looks better imo.
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>>55248571
In that Night Lords trilogy it is shown that NL white commonly dedicate themselves to a god mostly just to reap the benefits and become more killy. Slaanesh and Khorne are commonly chosen as patrons
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Where's the DG codex leak at?
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>>55251525
gotta wait till the review dexes go out, this weekend
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It seems likely that the Death Guard codex is going to be pretty small.

Check pic related. It says "Disgustingly Resilient" rule is on page 68 - this is a universal rule. In other codexes, they dedicate the first bunch of pages to the lore, then there's a parade section dedicated to photographs of the models, then the rules begin, starting with keywords and then army-wide universal rules. These start on page 130 for the Space Marine codex.

Bit of a shame, but hey.
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