Warhammer 40,000 General /40kg/

>>55242113
New Aspect Warrior?

Anyone here know Genestealer Cults? I'm looking to get into them after picking up Deathwatch Overkill and not finding a buyer for the tyranid half. I already picked up an extra squad of Genestealers, and I've got Militarum Tempestus from my general Inquisition army to use as Guard, but what else is good?

>>55242113
That's new eldar shit baybeeeeeee!

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Reminder that nurgle armies can literally not be shot at.

>>55242129
>>55242146

It's a Sigmarine hero's helmet mohawk fin, idiots.

https://whc-cdn.games-workshop.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/09/Bomb-Squig-All-Together.mp3

wtf is this, its in an article from the OP

>>55242149

It just turns a DG unit into a character what's the big deal.

>>55242155
Only a real idiot would be familiar with Age of Sigmar, checkmate

>>55242160
It's a recording of a bomb squig obviously.

>>55242113
Kinda reminds me of the sails on Eldar BFG ships.

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>>55242174
People are choosing to read it that the unit that activates Cloud of Flies is the only unit you can shoot at. I believe them to be incorrect, but I also believe it to take up much more of the thread with arguments than it deserves.

>>55242113
Games Workshop and Bad Dragon collab.

>>55242113
>fishmen
Good times.

>>55242174
>get into combat
>pop flies
>enemy cannot shoot anything else because this unit is closer

who is this matt fella everyone seems to like

>>55242208
They're wrong, but we've been getting FAQs reasonably quickly so they'll get BTFO pretty quick.

>>55242230
He's a swell guy, i heard he recently got a job too!

So if I slap some pith helmets on my IG boys (but leave them otherwise unmolested), will I still be able to play in Geedubs stores? I dunno what the stance on conversions is these days.

>>55242190
>he knew Sigmarines were from AoS

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>>55242113

>>55242256
Plastic Primaris Sisters confirmed???

>>55242230
Matt 'Chugging' English, the inventor of 'Hammer'. After his brother released the fantasy spinoff 'Warhammer' he decided to one up him by releasing the sci fi spinoff '40 kilotonnes', or as you might know it, '40k'.

>>55242227

The stratagem is modifying the DG unit, not the enemy shooters. When have you seen someone pay 1 CP to control the enemy's unit?

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>>55242230
Mr. Ward, responsible for changes from old fluff that few people liked. He's become a boogeyman of the game, a name given to every fluff change people don't enjoy and arguably the reason that GW no longer states who did codexes.

He made a bunch of codexes that were very balanced against each other, and incredibly enjoyable to play, but they were very powerful because of how much of the fluff was given rules and other codexes that were not designed by him struggled to compete against his codexes in terms of power.

Grey Knights, to this day, are still recovering from GW removing what Ward did to them, and struggling to find a new identity without either army-wide The Shrouding or powerful HQ buffs.

>>55242245
Are these 3rd party pith helmets?

>>55242208
How are mongs interpretting it as such? It's literally plain and simple wording... holy fuckballs.

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>>55242149
I was going to ignore you, but making it a phonecap is the sort of attention to detail that deserves recognition. Kek.

>>55242286
Indeed.

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>>55242290
They're reading it that if the unit is the closest, it is the only one you can shoot at.

>>55242285
he's the SJW boogeyman of /tg/, gotcha

>>55242295
I couldn't drain the phone fast enough so it's only barely half-strength.

>>55242300
Then GW stores won't let you play there.

GW bits only.

>>55242245
The rule is typically that just over half of the mini has to be GW's stuff, but some managers get a bit anal about it and won't accept anything but 100% GW stuff

>>55242245
as far as i know it mostly depends on the store manager. Be polite and ask him before i say

>>55242227
Nobody uses logic or language in the order that you're trying to twist it into to get that to work. Even the GW rules would have put the "if it is the closest target" clause at the forefront if this interpretation would correct.

It would read something like "If target Death Guard unit is the closest visible unit, enemy units must target Death Guard unit with their shooting attacks". We have precedence.

Trying to make fake RAW interpretations is so pointless and dumb in the era of instant FAQ, constant FAQ, and where GW is literally repeating themselves over and over saying RAI trumps RAW and they will FAQ that shit into the correct RAW form to reflect RAI if they have to.

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>>55242316
Effectively so, yes.
>>55242245
This is effectively determined entirely by the owner of the store.

>>55242323
>>55242324
Oh shit, better get some GW clothes as well!

>>55242149
>Sprint

LOOOOOOOOOOOOL

>>55242210
Kekkles

>>55242323
>>55242324
>>55242329
>>55242334
I guess having no standardized policy keeps them relatively free from criticism.
Thanks, I'll ask directly at the store then.

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Tfw no Naomi photos to find

>>55242330
>FAQ

You think I play with that third-party shit?

>>55242335
That's not going to save you, 0% of your body was made by GW. Better start replacing limbs with FW resin prosthetics.

>>55242245
Usually yes. Ask you store manager.

So I was looking at Raging Heroes' Gothic Cathedral kickstarter, all cardboard with plastic clips so you can assemble and take it down however you need it. Is this idea as close to old Necromunda terrain as anyone has tried in all these years? I mean, I figure not everyone needs a gothic cathedral, but since this ks was a success, they'll probably do another one later that is far closer to what you'd imagine for a Necromunda board. Or is there any other company that has done the cardboard with plastic terrain idea well?

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/loudnraging/warstages-the-gothic-cathedral

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>>55242316
It's noticeable that Matt Ward is claimed to be responsible for a lot of ultramarines wank, despite it havign been in the setting for quite some time. His Space marine codex defaulted to Ultramarines Unless Otherwise Noted, simply because Ultramarines clung closest to the Codex Astartes and that book was representing forces that follow the Codex Astartes, unless otherwise noted by their leaders.

>>55242351
Wow laura is hotter IRL

Who's such a DGfag they're going to pick up a copy of the Collector's Edition codex?

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>>55242351

Art looks nothing like them. Have true cutest GW employee who doesn't need fake art.

>>55242380
>muh metal tyranids
Fuck off faggot

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>>55242380
Trazyn

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>>55242380
Chaos bots were pretty cool, I agree.

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Just finished pic related and, ho boy, what a ride. Definitely recommend you give the Last Chancers series a try if you are in the mood for some IG.

>>55242380
Oldcrons were fine. The lords having individuality should've been enough for people who wanted their own dudes.

>>55242380
They're bad cause every game is the same

"OK why are we fighting"
"becuz my d00ds are ebil dethbots XD!"

At least Newcrons aren't reduced to puppets of the mustache-twirling C'tan.

Tyranids are garbage for the same reason. Though in this case it's "new (post 2e)" nids that lack narrative potential.

>>55242351
>croydon facelift
>Smiles just like pennywise from IT
Jesus christ, I feel like laura's doing everything in her power to look hideous.

>>55242386
Me probably.

>>55242380
Lore is neither here nor there for oldcrons vs newcrons.

The issue with Newcrons is the aesthetic. The simple design of the warriors and destroyers was great. Now its overdesigned shit with tons of jarring egyptian motifs crammed into dudes.

I could get into necrons, if they didn't look like such pieces of shit.

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>>55242401
Sorry, posted the wrong pic.

So what do you want from the Admech codex, fellow bloops? Personally I would kill for some way to make Dragoons either more stabby or cheaper, and a way to access Skitarii units without a Dominus. Some kind of "Orbital Command" HQ option, where instead of a model you just pay for a round of buffs and maybe some orbital strikes or something, but it still fills the comp slot.

Would also be happy with an Alpha Primus HQ, but it might be interesting to not have a model attached at all.

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>>55242351
>>55242378
>>55242393
>>55242401
>yfw nerds actually give a shit just because you have a vagina and are related to their autistic hobbies

>>55242401
Mm she has some delicious slav genes.

>>55242309
I did not know SoBs had dreadnoughts. Are there other lore precedents of non Astartes gettin
stuffed into those Boxes?

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>>55242439
>implying trazyn the memefinite isn't the greatest character ever devised

>>55242450
>not posting Duncan's cartoon portrait also to show that he's even cuter IRL

>>55242454
Squatting

>>55242467
Its not SoB per se
Ephrael Stern is rather.... unique.
she is kinda something else

>>55242481
>evil cockroaches
>evil daemons
>evil elves

These are redundant.

>>55242424
Nice digits, but
>nothing has a personality except at the very very highest level and literally everything in the faction fights to extinguish all life
Instead it's
>nothing has a personality except at the very very highest level and literally everything in the faction fights to eat all life

>>55242481
It's mostly tyranids and daemons at this point. You can have a large variety of motivations for everyone else (even some demons).

>>55242506
cockroaches are mindless animals and so can normally never be anything more than true neutral

>>55242454
I'd like a Skittari HQ that each turn can gives a SKITTARI <FORGE WORLD> unit either +1 BS & -1 WS or -1 BS & +1 WS for a turn as a nod to the Doctrina Imperatives

>>55242525
>and yet people buy them
Coincidentally these same people have shit taste, and with 8e's rules may even be WAACfags.

>>55242535
>he thinks people are actually who their images are on 4chan
>he thinks "yfw" means "mfw"

You're too stupid to be the real cheetahfag.

>>55242454
either give us a detachment that doesn't requite HQ or give us a Skitarii HQ

>>55242525
Supposed "less grimderp in the lore" has negligible bearing on why Matt Ward is completely reviled by the community. Fuck off.

>>55242459
Pretty pathetic isn't it?

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>>55242341
>paying twice as much per month for marginally better service

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>DG will be AoE damage and tankiness
>TS will be spells and stuff?
>EC will be ?
>WE will be murderkillslaughter in some way?
I'm excited

>>55242481

Not really, though. Even Dark Eldar are at least individuals and can have motivations beyond murderrape. Oldcrons were literally just "a bunch of faceless evil entities controlled by some other evil entity arrive and shoot you without saying anything."

is there a guide somewhere for what's changed since I read wh40k like almost a decade ago? I don't want to sift through all the codices

>>55242560
They barely had any motivation outside of "the c'tan fucked us up so now we hate all life and want to kill it all" oh lol except when a c'tan wasn't using them as pawns. Oldcrons were just metal tyranids but with a tweest

>>55242596
Already unbanned, or just evading?

>>55242459
I bet at least one of them is a women making fun of less attractive women to make herself feel better.

>>55242595
DG seem to be a slow army that thrives in close proximity to your enemy but not always melee. They get a lot of their damage through mortal wounds but not the psychic phase.

Cool I guess.

I imagine that Thousand Sons will be much more psyker orientated and will have memey powers. Tzeentch Daemons have some of the worst powers but also the most creative.

The only time I see people discussing Necrons is to talk about how boring they are
poor bots

>>55242596
There's no girls in 4chan,

>>55242620
Question: How would you feel about having a turn clock in 40k?

>>55242595
EC will likely be about precision strikes and going first at everything.

how does daemon summoning work

Could I have a 1k sons army that summons daemons and still has the 1k sons keyword?

>>55242595
Tzeentch will be zappy,
Slaanesh a mix of choppy, shooty and buff/debuff, WE are loud axe-tards as always.

>>55242639
They do nothing in the lore.

At least when they were oldcrons they were a unified threat to the galaxy, kinda like Tyranids.

Now they are just a faction of Howard Hughes' memey warlords who like to do weird shit.

>>55242647
I did time turns once, it's surprizing how much faster the game is after that.

>>55242595
EC, ranged GET LOUD and close range speedy speedsters

>>55242647
I played warmachine so I'm cool with it, although I suspect resistance

>>55242659
summoned daemons are NOT part of any detachment

>>55242659
Units have keywords, armies don't.

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>>55242160
That didn't sound like Bomb RCs...

>>55242659
Yes, remember to pay for those summons however.

Unless you're playing power then remember to make the opponent pay for agreeing to power.

>>55242659
No daemons don't have <heretic astartes>

>>55242647
It would add unneeded stress and bookkeeping to the game.

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>>55242113
Isn't that the thing that pops up on Dr. Zoidberg's head when he is aroused ?

>>55242690
I know that but apparently it doesn't matter if you summon the daemons instead of bringing them into battle with your CSM straight from the start

>>55242489
Why so, if for any reason other than being a dick?

>>55242285
t. M Ward
Dont pretend. He is shit writer.

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>>55242635
Yeah, DG seems pretty neat.
I'm really hoping my Sons get some cool, fun things to work with too. Maybe the return of lasers or something like that.

>>55242690
they are not part of hte detachment either

>>55242595
EC's theme should be more about debuffing the enemy than DG are. Like lasting effects from weaponry and close combat weapons.

It would be good if say a blastmaster placed a debuff on the enemy that if they tried to charge the highest dice could be rerolled. Or Fulgrim prevents anyone in close combat from retreating so you counter Ultramarine faggotry for example.

40k equivalent of Blood Bowl when?!

I want to see Necrons playing basketball

do they not make the Moonman Tzeentch herald any more?

>>55242693
You're terrible at cheetahfagging.

>>55242454
>give back some kind of doctrina via CP/strategem
>an attachment which doesn't require Dominus / a new cheaper HQ choice
>small buffs across the board
A man can dream even though his dreams will probably never come true

>>55242113
you lewd slut

>>55242647
Timed turns kind of sucks, just play with chess clocks with variable times based on point size and that'd be great. Unfortunately the 40k community is way too retarded for something like that to work the way it does in more competivly viable games

>>55242669
randomness xd

>>55242651
>>55242724
Yeah, that could be interesting. I feel like precision and quickness might be a bit on the right track, maybe something with denial. Noise weapons do seem to remove cover effects and stuff like that after all, maybe they'll be a debuff focused army if they ever get an update? Or, if the current warlord trait is anything to go by, instead of debuffing they'll get stronger while dying.
>>55242745
Herald on chariot kit

>>55242330
Besides obvious shitposting, people have nothing else to complain about with 8th edition, so they're making up problems.

>>55242719
I want really only 3 things for TSs.

Multiple lores for spamming wizard cabal without psychic focus being an issue.

Psychic helbrutes.

Mundane CSM access. It bugs me how much turbo psychic autism the TS have at this point. No warpsmiths, no raptors, no bikers, no havoks etc.

>>55242748
The original guy killed himself a while ago due to family issues.

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>>55242731
>40k basketball
>In the grim darkness of the 42nd millennium you may only SLAM

>>55242796
Fuck, now I want to make a star player Ork named Gordunk Grimslam.

>>55242793
CHEETAHFAG NOOOOOOOOOOO

>>55242789
It's ok to admit that a rule from GW is terribly worded and will need to be clarified. That's just expected at this point

There are 22 death guard units in the main chaos index

There are 33 Units/datasheets confirmed for the book, but a FB post suggested there were 15 new units

what are we getting as "new" ?? and even if there are only 11 or so new units, the new kits only account for half of these

>>55242820
>BS5+ free throws
>I2 jump balls
It's like a free win playing orks.

>>55242351
Is Sarah /bestgirl/? I don't know how SJW or tumblr she is.

>>55242841
Tank

Plague versions of normal csm things (bikes raptors havocs etc)

>>55242841
Everything in the chaos book +1 toughness.

>>55242833
Yeah but the dg rule isn't one of those.

Do you run the classic land raider or something cool like the mk2b from forge world if you're running stuff like inquisition or custodes? The old plastic kit doesn't exactly scream 'venerable' since everyone and their mother gets one

>>55242833
Except its not terriobly worded, people are just fucking retarded. Look at the actual FAQs once in a while. "Does 'within 1 inch include 1 inch?????".

>>55242873
I'm not sure how I would feel about them getting army wide +1T. On the one hand, that makes bolters wound on a 5+, but it doesn't do anything to help against assault cannons or autocannons.

>>55242905
>>55242915
If that were the case people wouldn't be arguing about it

>>55242905
its a rule we need an FAQ for, but its a ruule we SHOULDNT need an FAQ for. its a good retard spotter rule

>>55242926
Lasguns still wound you the same as well

>>55242941
I want to live in your world, where retards and shitposters don't exist!

>>55242915
As a math tutor, I'm legitimately not surprised by that question anymore. I'm convinced that at least 80% of the 18+ population is actually retarded at this point.

>>55242941
People will argue anything if they think they can get an edge, or hell just to have something to complain about.

>>55242941
>people wont be retards
>in 40k
>on /tg/

Retard spotted. Fucking moron completely ignored the fact that people in the FAQs argued over ""within one inch" too.

>>55242950
Yeah it's really weird when +1S or +1T matters. My first instinct when I looked at High Marshall Helbrecht was that +1S on melee attacks was great, but it really depends entirely on the opposing army composition. Not to mention it throws off the calculations for best power weapons.

>Deathguard can make their vehicles auto explode when they die
>landraiders are now tactical nukes

>>55242979
>>55242978
Which is why this rule is poorly worded and will require a clarification.

You guys really shouldn't be surprised about this kind of thing anymore

>>55242822
Whales can't fit in kitchens. It's one of the many reasons they should all be exterminated.

>>55242967
This is what happens when you try to make Philosophy a legitament major.

>>55242979
>within one inch
What's this now?

>>55243002
Tyberos is great at making LC termies absolutely murder infantry, including bikes. Wouldn't Powerswords be the best answer in most cases unless you were planning on taking maces against rhinos or something?

>>55243004

c'mon dude, go big or go home

>mastodons and Thunderhawks

>>55243004
>landraiders
>not rhinos

>>55242967
They're all being taught what politics are trendy this week instead of how to think critically.

>>55242833
>>55243022
I'm 98% certain it's only Americans and others with English as a third language who see ambiguity in the rules.

>>55243057
Ah, so Americans and the British.

>>55243026
But philosophy is genuinely useful. There should only be one major, and it ought to require a full education in philosophy, art, history, culture, mathematics, engineering, science and law, both canon and civil.

>>55243045
Crashing this Stormbird

>>55243051
>>55243045

Helbrutes are better as you can do more with them in the fight phase before they die

>>55243022
Please, do tell how you would word it to mean the unit can only be shot if it is the closest without using the current wording in order to make it absolutely retard proof.

>>55243057
It's just a few shitposters. If you encounter someone too stupid to understand the rule in person, don't play with them. Simple as that.

Some kid who just got out of school is desperate to pretend he can't read.

>>55243072
With no survivors

>>55243072
With 1d6-1 survivors

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>I'm just pretending to be a retard

>>55243043
Yeah, without +1S axes are at a slight advantage, but with +1S it's either swords for infantry or maces for T6-7 vehicles. Not to mention you can take a chaplain dreadnought for another +2 strength, but then again going from S5 to S6 isn't such a big deal except against guardsmen or super light vehicles. Maybe with +2S from Helbrecht and chaplain dread it's best to go for maces to get that S8 AP-1 or axes for S7 AP-2.

>>55243022
It's not poortly worded. It's perfectly worded. There's no fucking ambiguity possible.

"You can only do [action] if [condition]" means you CAN'T do the action unless the condition is fulfilled. There's no way to misunderstand that, except by doing a willful effort to misunderstand.

Shit, it's so fucking clear that you might as well punch people who "misunderstand" this rule and ban them from the group because they are proven cheaters.

>>55242793
It can't be.
He was a hero to some one.

>>55243026
I know. I know. It's actually kind of funny because they're being taught to think a certain way rather than keeping an open mind like most philosophy is about.

>>55243052
You're not wrong. I did a lot of group tutoring, and I wanted to stop asking them what was new because most of them just parroted whatever the big news thing was for that day|section of days. I never did, though. Gotta keep them engaged somehow, so I just found a good lead in from there.

>>55243038
With the whole within one inch can attack in CC rule, people weren't sure if 1" counted as within 1" and were arguing that if you were exactly 1" away, you didn't get to attack, which is retarded. GW actually had to faq to confirm it.

>>55242793
Proof

>>55243128
And now he's an hero for all

>>55243139
>that mental acrobatics to define within an inch
My word

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>>55243123
I guess it's the consequence of permitting infinite negatives in your language.

>>55243022
The rule text reads exactly like the text used for characters, retard. Fuck I hate this place.

>>55243123
I think 40k players are legit retarded. Even the times I played warmachine and infinity never got this fucking stupid.

>>55243079
Not him but

"Select a DEATH GUARD INFANTRY unit. Until the start of your next Movement phase, enemy units may not shoot at this unit if there are viable targets nearer to the enemy unit"

>>55243178
I knew I should've spoken up at the committee meeting.

>>55242790
Well the rubric _did_ kinda poof everyone that wasn't psychic, but having psyker warpsmiths and maybe a couple other psykers that can do something other than casting magic missiles would make sense. Especially people that help take care of everything.

>>55243187
Characters confirmed for tanking shots for your army guys!

>>55242967
This is a retarded thing to say, as a math tutor. 80% of the population is of average intelligence or higher

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>>55243176
Well played. Have a cheetah.

>>55243198
You ain't never not hadn't done nothing about nothing.

>>55243176
Holy shit is true

>>55243116

If I was playing BT, if probably go all swords out of principle, but I'm not, so you do you. However, for vehicles, S9 powerfists can't be ignored since you're wounding land raiders on a 3+, which is nice, however, I feel S5>6 is a pretty big deal for the reasons you mentioned. It's especially effective against dark eldar, but aren't certain tau suits T5 as well? I remember it being more useful than I thought.

>>55243189
Well 40k does seem to be played by more people, so bigger chance there's a retard or two in there.

>>55243178
Yeah English was a language specifically invented to confuse non-native speakers and retards mwahahaha you fell into our trap!

>>55243189
Our WAAC fags are a special kind of WAAC instead of staying within the boundaries of the the rules they try to go beyond the rules as far as they can stretch the words, after putting it through google translate 200 or so times.

>>55243193
REEE BUT THE OTHER UNITS ARENT TECHNICALLY VIABLE TARGETS BECAUSE THEY ARENT AS BIG AS A THREAT

>>55243229
It's requiring me to go through each of the indexes and actually know all the units, so I guess there's some positive to come out of it.

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wander into this thread like

>>55243217

Is it? I didn't say below average; I said retarded. If there is a set level of intelligence that is classified as retarded and 80% of the adult population is at or below that level, then the average person is still retarded.

If I had said that 80% of the adult population was below average intelligence, then you would be correct.

>>55243189
Not retarded, sadly. But dishonesty, rule-bending and actual cheating are somehow part of the WAAC mindset when GW games are concerned.
The worst thing is that those guys are so obsessed with finding exploits where there's none that they aren't taking the time to be actually good at the game. And that they tend to take their mindset with them when switching to other games.

>>55243265
>uh, excuse me commissar, but why are we trying to shoot through the opaque cloud of flies at the other side of the board instead of at the source of all these fucking flies.

>>55243238
If you ain't cheating, you ain't trying.

>>55243302
For the same reason that conscripts standing in front of gorillaman are clearly more threatening than the walking son of the emperor.

>>55243305
Cheating is unfairly needing to try less than as mandated by established rules. You are ignoring your own philosophy by cheating, which makes you a super retard.

>>55243331
>implying that the conscript isn't just good at jumping into bullets.

>>55243233
Buffalo Buffalo Buffalo Buffalo Buffalo.

>>55243331
Ultramarines are just so bland that they easily blend into any crowd.

>>55243072
>You're a primaris marine

>>55242149
>Needs to be done in YOUR movement phase
>Means you need to declare it before the enemy shoots
>All it does is make that Unit unable to be fired upon unless it's the closest like a character
>Sniper rules literally ignore this anyway.

>DG termie lord is 2+/4++/4+++

Brutal.

Is there any reason to get "mortal wound on 4+ in Fight" instead of "reroll Plague weapons"? Later also boosts your melee damage, while also giving your lord cool reroll to hit and wound bubble. It just seems flat out better.

>>55243368
>You're a primaris meme, Harry

>>55243369
Snipers don't ignore it, they can only do it for characters.

I've read that stratagem with flies over and over again and I'm certain everyone is just memeing retardation.

>>55243369
Snipers don't ignore it because the Swarm of Flies buff does not place the [character] keyword upon it, and the rules for sniper rifles say that they may target characters without restriction. Therefore this stratagem is useless on characters. It's for units only.

>>55243424
If you need more than one pass for that, it might not be all memes

>>55243424
>everyone is retarded
So that means nobody is right, right? So then how does the rule actually work, mr genius.

>>55243384
>s there any reason to get "mortal wound on 4+ in Fight" instead of "reroll Plague weapons"?

Not running plague weapons for example

>>55243473
Can't shoot the buffed thing unless it's the closest. Really fucking simple.

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RIP Corsairs

I had just started converting a Corsairs army when FW deleted most of the unit choices (FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU-). Fuck it, I'll just finish the army and hope an updated IA restores them. For now I'm thinking of running the following 1k list, with the Autarch standing in for a Corsair Prince. I haven't played 8E yet though and I hear infantry are actually good now so maybe this list is shit. Any comments?

>Outriders 999/1000
>[HQ] Autarch ("Prince") - 106 - Banshee Mask, Forceshield, Fusion Pistol, Power Sword, Swooping Hawk Wings
>[Tr] 5 Skyreavers - 87 - Felarch, 4x Shuriken Catapult, 1x Shuriken Cannon
>[Tr] 10 Skyreavers - 168 - Felarch with Dissonance Pistol, 7x Shuriken Catapult, 2x Flamer
>[FA] Hornet - 150 - Crystal Targeting Matrix, 2x Hornet Pulse Laser
>[FA] Wasp Assault Walker - 114 - 2x Shuriken Cannon
>[FA] Wasp Assault Walker - 114 - 2x Shuriken Cannon
>[HS] Warp Hunter - 260 - D-Flail, Crystal Targeting Matrix, Spirit Stones

Not sure I really would have enough dudes on the table to cap objectives but basically the idea is the Wasps deepstrike and blast infantry, the Skyreavers try to close the gap and assist with killing infantry, and the Hornet + Warp Hunter kill big targets. The Autarch is there to basically distraction Carnifex for the bigger guns and/or charge and kill basically anything from TEQs and light vehicles to MEQs.

>>55243384

And can probably be made 3++ with boon of chaos

>>55243515
So the people who said this are not retarded :^)

So not everyone was memeing retardation

>>55243541
>Picking insignificant nits to get meaningless points in a game only you're playing
People like you are part of the problem.

>>55243541
That guy wasn't me, but I'm glad he responded with that.

Seemed like an oddly large amount of people were stating that this worked like reverse Siren from the early slaanesh powers. More than the normal trolling.

>>55243541
Hey, you asked for a genius and I arrived. Don't you smile at me.

>>55243073
Man, that is groovy as fuck. I might just have to make a blightbomb list for the local 1k games

>>55242450
Duncan is not for sexual

>>55243073
Rhinos are cheaper

>>55243566
Get over it, lil fuccboi. If you're gonna jump in an argument with a clear logical conclusion, call everyone retarded without actually saying what you think is the right logical conclusion, makes you a special kind of retard.
>>55243601
Sorry I just get happy when smart people come into the thread. It's a nice change from the legions of WAAfags, retards and trolls that use the general as their designated shitting thread. Thanks for brightening my day, anon.

>>55243636
What are you, gay?

>>55243653
I wasn't the same guy, but I'll fuck you up the ass any time, senpai. God knows you need some loving.

>>55243293
Thing is that the average IQ is like 90-100 and to be functionally retarded you gotta be at like 70 or below. So no, 80% of the population is not retarded, you are just suffering under the illusion that you are smarter than most people. Most - people incorrectly - believe that to be true. You're not special because you're a math tutor.

Any taufags here? I need to know if there is any difference between the old commander kit and the new one.

>>55243639
But less usefull untill they die, hell opponent may well chose to either shoot them or ignore them, but not bother with melee.

>>55243678
Only if you promise to give me a reach-around.

>>55243717
You'd have to be a real SOB not to give a guy a reach around

>>55243726
>all this time I've been fucked by SOBs
;_;

>>55243726
desu I'd probably cum just from getting fucked so it wouldn't be necessary

>>55243760
I remmeber when I was that sensitive. Ah, to be young with a supple asshole....

>>55243061
Hahahahahah

Looking for input on a fluffy deathskulls Ork list. 2,000 pts

Warboss, big choppa
Warboss, big choppa
Warboss, big choppa

10 boys, nob with big choppa, trukk
10 boys, nob with big choppa, trukk
10 boys, nob with big choppa, trukk

Gorkanaut
Morkanaut
Deff dread with 4 klaws
Deff dread with 4 klaws

Wazbom jet
Wazbom jet

>>55243688

I'm not saying that I'm special because I'm a math tutor; I'm saying a shocking number of students I've tutored in college level courses don't have a basic understanding of algebra. All the while, they proudly comment about how they suck at math and will never use it. This applies to one on one sessions and sessions with an entire class. I'm a math tutor because I understand math we'll enough to teach it to other people. That doesn't make me special, not should I be considered special for knowing basic algebra. That's the point I'm making here.

>>55243786
Why not get rid of the trucks, buy a couple of extra boyz, and put them all in the nauts?

>>55243811
Min size boys squad is 10, nauts seat 6.

>>55242432

>"becuz my d00ds are ebil dethbots XD!"

t. never read the oldcron codex yet thinks he knows everything about them

>>55243786
Morkanaut is not really worth is, better off with two Gorks and a KFF Mek

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>>55243176

>>55243653
>come into the thread

>>55242174

>>55242411
StarGods damn it I want him to have rules good enough to play on the table damnit!

>>55243664
Duncan is pure!

>>55243810
That's because college kids in 2017 are the same underaged faggots that pissed you off 5 years ago.

So it seems as though you can't even overwatch a charging unit buffed by Flies if there's a unit that's closer.

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>>55243811
>>55243823
you know what that means

>>55243691
Which old kit? The fifth edition kit? Then yes it's way different.

All 40K lore is dumb. There, I said it. Doesn't mean it's not fun.

>>55242285
Uh, no. Fluffwise, Ward took years of lore and just tossed it in the toilet. Ultramarines are just beginning to recover from getting Warded. Crunchwise, his codexes were either OP as fuck or just plain fucked depending on whether he liked your faction or not. Yes, the autistis over at 1d4chan blew it all out of proportion but there is a lot of truth to the screeching.

Is my list any good for a tourament.


[b]++ Patrol Detachment (Aeldari - Craftworlds) [50 PL, 1080pts] ++[/b]

[b]+ HQ +[/b]

[b]Asurmen [9 PL, 175pts][/b]

[b]Farseer [6 PL, 113pts]:[/b] 2. Doom, 3. Fortune, Witchblade

[b]+ Troops +[/b]

[b]Dire Avengers [6 PL, 170pts][/b]
. 9x Dire Avenger: 9x Avenger Shuriken Catapult
. Dire Avenger Exarch: Avenger Shuriken Catapult

[b]Dire Avengers [6 PL, 170pts][/b]
. 9x Dire Avenger: 9x Avenger Shuriken Catapult
. Dire Avenger Exarch: Avenger Shuriken Catapult

[b]+ Fast Attack +[/b]

[b]Windriders [5 PL, 96pts][/b]
. 3x Windrider - Shuriken Cannon: 3x Shuriken Cannon

[b]+ Dedicated Transport +[/b]

[b]Wave Serpent [9 PL, 178pts]:[/b] Crystal Targeting Matrix, Shuriken Cannon, Spirit Stones, Star Engines, Twin Shuriken Cannon, Vectored Engines

[b]Wave Serpent [9 PL, 178pts]:[/b] Crystal Targeting Matrix, Shuriken Cannon, Spirit Stones, Star Engines, Twin Shuriken Cannon, Vectored Engines

[b]++ Total: [50 PL, 1080pts] ++[/b]

Created with [url=https://battlescribe.net]BattleScribe[/url]

>>55243688
>90 IQ

It used to be that someone with a high enough power level to seek out a place of degeneracy like 4chan would be of above average intellect, even if they chose to act stupidly on 4chan. But with how mainstream this site is, only sub-100 IQ Neanderthals can explain the current state of this site.

>>55243688
The average IQ is 100 by definition and people that are merely below-average now might be considered retarded by another decade's standards. Not sure how that would work.
Anyway, the problem isn't intelligence. The sentence we were arguing about is pretty damn clear for anyone who has a functional knowledge of English. But that won't stop anyone who doesn't want to understand for whatever reason. Be it looking for advantages or bragging about how smart they are for finding an exploit. I mean, shit, not too long ago we had people arguing that 6+1 didn't qualify as 6+.

>>55243691
The size and the pricetag. The new commander is bigger and has more options.

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>>55243810
As a college student, this activates the fuck out of my almonds. For fuck's sake, no I will not show you how to rearrange Coulomb's Law. You are an engineering student, you should know how to do this. I'm so fucking sick of spoonfeeding people.

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>>55242208
you silly bitch

>>55242596
Of course sir.
Does sir prefer the black gentleman or white gentleman for his Tuesday Cock Meat Sandwich?
Or was sir thinking of the Cuban?

>>55243823
Ah, I apologize, I seem to have come down with the retard. Carry on then.

>>55243838
I wondered about that. The big kff footprint a naut has I thought might be useful for turn one at least.

I could drop 2 warbosses for two big meal with kff and put them in two gorks, plus they help heal wounds.

Gives the trukks less punch but meh.

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>>55242113
Haven't played since 4e. How are Black Templar this edition?

>>55243969
The field is nice yeah, but the naut itself has pathetic guns, and inferior melee compared to it's sibling.

I wish the BA minis had some heads with long hair just like Sanguinius. Them all having short hair is a bit bland considering their reputation as some sort of bishonen chapter.

>>55243992
Thanks for point that out, I just assumed they could both punch the same amount of times.

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I'm looking to play a VERY elite army, as a result I'm thinking either Grey Knights or Custodes.

Grey Knights have paladins and the Dreadnight while Custodes have better dreadnaughts and land raiders, and considering I heard from Gencon that their forgeworld units are going to be coming to 40k soon they might be a solid option.

Can anyone help me decide if either are worth it for a full army?

>>55244008
Naw Gork has 2 extra attacks per turn, which is a lot when you use it's 3xA attack.

How powerful are Space Marines canonically, in the fluff? How many IGs worth?

>>55244010
Grey Knights are shit. So are custodes.

You'd get more mileage out of a fully Primaris army and even then you'd be at a heavy disadvantage.

>>55243981
Bad.

>>55244010
Custodes has a grand total of 3 units.

>>55244027
Depends on the writer.

>>55244010
That would be a terrible army. But if you want to go through with it, go grey knights.Custodes may be have the better statline but they aren't an actual army.

>>55244046
What's the most ridiculous, and where can I read more?

>>55244027
Pick a fucking number,, you can probably find a source for it. They're of "however much power is required to make the story utterly boring" most of the time.

Personally I find a good metric in one of the HH books where a Marine is rushed by around 200/300ish malnourished civilians and they do kill him despite losing a few dozen.
So I'd imagine if those people were trained soldiers with actual weapons considerably less.
Certainly doesn't justify taking a proper planet at anywhere near modern levels with anything less than a couple chapters or a Hive/Forge World with anything less than a few score, but hey, bolter porn gonna bolter porn.

Is melta dominion spam still the preferred Sisters list?

>>55243691
Old one is finecast, monopose, and the only commander allowed to wield his "psychic" ion blaster with his hands.

>>55244029
>>55244042
>>55244067

Ouch, I havent fully played since 5th, when Grey Knights were really good. What happened?

>>55244083
Thing is HH marines were nowhere near the level of contemporary marines. They were mostly just regular dudes with serious augmentations. A 40k marine has the whole warrior monk shtick they they spend virtually their entire day doing nothing but training.

>>55243810
I think it's just that kids don't want to put in the effort anymore. When I went to school I thought math was too hard and had the same rationalization that "I'm never gonna use it anyway so why bother". When I got into college I actually took the effort to take notes in class and suddenly math became the easiest shit in the world. Algebra's honestly as simple as understanding what goes into what formula to get the desired result. For a lot of people, they may never actually use the formulas verbatim but the course teaches people how to solve problems by taking the issue apart piece by piece and how to read between the lines, and that sort of shit is absolutely invaluable to anyone.

>>55244041
Really? What a damn shame

I like how orks, nids and darkeldar all got slightly better, but imperial units got much better so theyre still ahead

>>55244077
Most ridiculous would be Kaldor Draigo, who is so fucking strong that the Chaos God cursed him to be banished to the Warp. That merely sent him right where he could fuck their shit up the hardest. They are still regretting that decision as of now..

>>55244077
Draigo vs 6 billion deamons

>>55244124
One of the latest chaos wank says that new marines are inferior to legion marines.

In other words marines power level are so wild that it is not even worth the time

>>55243907
>that copy/pasted "formatting"
Why. Anyway, needs more anti-tank. Given you're not limited by points (I assume the limit is PL anyway) I'd stick twin bright lances on both wave serpents.

>>55242330
>GW is literally repeating themselves over and over saying RAI trumps RAW
Which is a meaningless statement to make since RAI is inherently unknowable.

>>55244174
And that's after he banished Morty to the Warp with a Magic Marker.

31k Spess Muhreen doctrine : "Let's make squads of ten guys. One leader, one with a heavy weapon, one with a special weapon, and seven riflemen. That way, we'll have tons of tactical flexibility."
41k Chadmuhreen doctrine : "Let's make squads of ten guys. They all have rifles."

What happened ?

>>55244115
Go watch some batreps, both seem fine desu
Custodes not necessarily as a standalone army since they only have 3 units

>>55244181
It's probably referring to "current" legion marines as in the 10k-years-old traitor marines of The Nine. If not it's probably just like you said: wank.

>>55243786

Well it seems fluffy enough, even if it does lack Lootas. I understand that since lootas are pretty bad now, but still, they're the iconic Deffskull unit.

Effectiveness-wise it's pretty poor. Trukk Boyz are bad this edition, both because of overpriced transports and the fact that 10 Boyz can't really do very much (and will suffer badly from Morale. Even with a Warboss nearby you'll be losing D3 extra models per turn).

Gorkanaut is better than a Morka. Both of them have pretty awful ranged weaponry, but the Gorka is a real blender in close combat with its 2 extra attacks over the Morka. Deff Dreads are just terrible; they're completely overpriced compared to other options out there.

All of our flyers are pretty terrible. The Wazbom is no exception.

Sadly from an effectiveness perspective the only answer is "spam Boyz" so if you're going for the fluffy option then anything is fine. Just don't expect to win many games.

>>55244200
RAI is another way of saying "common sense".

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>>55244005
I guess it's not a good idea for a chapter so obsessed with jump packs to have long hair, given the intakes are right next to the head.

>>55244174
>>55244203

This is no longer true. He was banished to the warp by the last act of a Lord of Change, and carved, not his own name, but the name of the previous Supreme Grand Master into Mortarion's heart, as an act of revenge for Mortarion killing him.

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>Tide of battle turns against opponent
>It's clear he's not going to be able to win at this point
>Immediately shuts down
>One word answers
>Snaps when saying anything or asked to repeat himself
>Long drawn out painful sighs
>Muttering whenever dice are rolled by either party
>Stares off into distance
>Starts looking at phone

I beg of you, please give up this hobby

Have GW announced anything about the official list builder yet?

>>55244234
Putting heads right infront of air intakes is something GW loves to do.

Vulture gunship is the biggest example of this retardation. Followed by marine Jump pack

>>55244115
"Very elite but not quite deathstars" armies were never good and deathstars got crucified in 8th edition.

>>55244215
>31k
>mixed weapons
But that's fucking wrong. Basic tactical squads were all bolters and vets had the special and heavy

>>55244239
It's still retarded as fuck. Morty literally slaughters GKs by just breathing around them and yet Draigo (who was a lot further down the totem pole than a Supreme Grand Master) just goes and gets it done on the first try.

>>55244254
>losing a game
>clear that dice have failed you
>no way to win now
>"I give up, clearly I can't win."
>"No anon you've got to play all the way to the last model."

You've brought this onto yourself.

>>55244279
Your head isn't going to get sucked into an air intake because the air resistance against the head is going to virtually equal the vacuum effect of their air intake.

>>55244254
>doesnt even bother to look at you roll your dice or listen to anything
yup i know the type, fuck em

Why is no one talking the best DG strat?
The auto explode!
NURGLE RELION OF PEACE NOW.
Rhino rush and explode! Nurgle a ackbur!

>when your opponent gets pissed that half his army can't kill one model

>>55244215
Have you never heard the phrase every Marine a rifleman?

>>55244309
how about the guy actually concede instead of moaning through it all?
oh they wont do it? shame.

>>55244339
This is why I've always loved playing Death Guard

>>55244311
Who said it was the head getting inside the turbine?
Putting your head infront of it just asking for random crap getting directed into your face

>>55244339
>because some deathguard raptors poped flies behind him

>>55243890
>>55243923
>>55244102
Thanks guys, the dude was selling it for like 20 so I was wondering if it was worth it. Another tau question, I have one of the old broadsides and was thinking of taking one of the railguns and slapping it on another old crisis so I can have 2 broadsides, do you think anyone would care if they only had one rail each? It still counts as WYSIWYG right?

>>55244319
My favorite is "I wasn't playing to win as soon as I saw your army"
BUTT HURT

>>55244365
I wouldn't mind if they both hold em like rifles.

>>55244302
Draigo was next in line to become a Supreme Grand Master when the previous one died at Mortarion's hand, as of current fluff.

>>55244254

That's bad sportsmanship, but I see literally nothing wrong with conceding (particularly if you have time for a rematch). If you roll literally all 1s on turn 1 after failing to seize and your opponent basically wins by t2 then why play 4 turns of mop up? If you're concerned about narrative then even the Guard have tactical retreats, just say
>the Tau surprised the Imperial contingent with an alpha strike and wiped out the FOB. The regimental commander was executed for dereliction of duty and the remainder of forces retreated to the local stronghold. Now we're playing the rematch, at the local stronghold.
>The Farseer's predictions were incorrect and the Dark Kin obliterated the entire scouting party. Most were cut down in the retreat; only a single Ranger made it topside to relay their fate to the fleet. The Eldar quickly rallied and sent a party of Wraiths to retrieve the spirit stones before the Drukhari left.
etc
(This also gives you an excuse for list tailoring for the rematch kek)

>>55244359
Fucking how? Like I said the vacuum effect of the intake is mostly negated by the air velocity of the object moving through it. Birds rarely get sucked into a jet engine for example, it's just a fluke that the engine and bird happened to intersect paths.

>>55244334
>Rhino rush, wait for enemy to plink down and explode!

>>55244232
i think lootas are pretty good, you can reroll the no. of shots and its D2 and S7 so you wound non vehicles on 3s and vehicles on 4s

>>55244397
When did that happen? I'm wondering what else I'm behind on.

>>55244365
>It still counts as WYSIWYG right?
No. The old broadside was already bulkier than a crisis and it's visibly smaller than the new broadside. Your crisis with a railgun will be significantly smaller than a current broadside model and, since it's a conversion, you're past the line of "modelling for advantage".

>>55244400
conceding is fine
if these kinds of people would actually do it

>>55244215
Primaris are actually going 30k style of specialized units with identical equipment.

When Gman did the codex the tacticals went flexibility route since they no longer had the man power to have a company of just special weapon guys.

>>55244376
>"oh, you're playing conscripts?"
>movement phase
>"well, i dont have time for this kind of game, bye."

>>55244427
They basically completely rewrote him to be more reasonable in the 8e Grey Knight codex.

Basically, he acts like a daemon now. He can only show up where the walls between reality and the Warp are thin, and then only until they resolidify. He's very good at dealing with daemonic incursions, sure, but when he finishes mopping up the threat he gets pulled back too.

With the Great Rift cutting the galaxy in half, he's had a lot more time in realspace lately. He doesn't consider this a good thing.

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>>55244403
Most intelligent design. Got it!

>>55244404
Next list to sweep the tournament scene- Poxwalkers/psyker min Battalions with max rhinos.
Winner dedicates his win to allah.

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>>55244339
>CSM are bogged down in combat with loyalists.
>CSM sergeqnt has a power fist
>First turn, he misses both hits. Same on the second turn. On the third turn, he hits once.
>He rolls a 1 to wound.
>mfw

>>55244432
Ah I see, could I get past the modeling for advantage if I mounted him on a bigger base with stuff to prop him up to match the new height?

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>>55244254
>>55244319
>acts totally disinterested in the game
>checking his phone and talking to other people in the room, not paying attention to me rolling dice
>"I didn't see you roll that, how do I know you're not cheating?"
IF YOU CARE SO MUCH PAY ATTENTION TO THE GAME YOU RUDE MOTHERFUCKER.

>>55244309

>"I give up, clearly I can't win."

Oh I wish, I wish he'd said that.

The only time this has even vaguely pissed me off is a year or so ago, I agreed on the LGS facebook to a game. Dragged all my shit to work, dragged it to the LGS after work, met opponent, set it all up and played

>His first turn, utterly abysmal, he rolls terribly, I saved everything that came my way
>My first turn, I roll luckily and once again he rolls abysmally
>Toward the end of my first, he concedes
That really sucked, lets set up again
>nah, i'm done
we only played for ... 20 minutes
>yeah, nah i'm done
You asked for a game, lets play again
>nope

He left in a huff, It was MTG night, 40k players were sparse and fucker left me in the lurch.

>>55244454
> implying conshits even move
Brah do you even ASTRA MILITRUM?

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>>55244454
Remember, if your opponent can pack his entire army away before you finish your movement phase, they win by default.

>>55244495
I can respect that, honestly. It's a very mental game, 40k is, and if you have a very bad experience beforehand it's going to cascade into the next game. That's why I try to make sure my games don't go to time, so I have time to clear my mind and sorta mentally reset before the next one.

>>55244462
Ah. I'm glad GW is finally taking the sheer amount of ridiculous legendary Sueness out of him.

>>55244516
Bigger marines

>>55244517
If that's true, Imperial Knights just got much more broken.

>>55244463
>Intelligent design
>Radar cross section of a fucking balloon

>>55244254
There's a guy in my group who's just like that.

>"I should be able to take whatever I want and win."
>Doesn't use any strategy unless someone on the internet tells him to
>Only plays to win
>Gets mopey after suffering even small casualties
>Has had times where he's packed up and left early during multiplayer games when his ally still has most of his army

>>55242113
I really like Aggressors and planned on using 2 squads, a third squad a very small possibility. What units pair well with them? What are some good strategies?

>>55244520
> dude bitchs out of a friendly game, which his opponent came to through a lot of bullshit
> 'I can understand that'
Christ I can smell you from here. It's a GAME you dumb bitch. Grow the fuck up. Stop being such a rude little child.

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>>55244532
>>55244516

>>55244573
It's a game, not an obligation. If he doesn't feel like playing, he does not have to.

>>55244403
I dunno, man.
I watched Die Hard 2 last night and an army major definitely got sucked into the engine.

>>55244576
>Festus the Leechlord
The name alone makes me want one.

>>55244463
Actually it's not a bad design at all. The cockpit acts as an inlet cone. The pilots also sit centered to the thrust vector, meaning they are much less affected by pitch, roll and yaw g-forces.

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>>55244527
Posting Draigo's current fluff.

>>55244561
If you're not using ravenguard cheese then 4 aggressors+lieutenant+apothecary in a repulsor. Loadsa auto-hits with rerolling wounds and heals/revives

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>>55244611

>>55244611
That is much better than Ward's "Titanic battle God forever guarded from corruption, Master of the Impossible Victory, Lord of all Sues".

>>55244600
That movie doesn't exist.

>>55244545
Honestly, Radar isnt really a concern if youre talking about "space-age"-tech there are much better ways to detect incoming hostiles than radar, especially with warp-fuckery added to the mix

>>55244520
If your game is causing you great mental anguish then just fucking concede.

>>55244561
If they are the boltstorm kind, I'd say a Gravis Captain, who moves at the same speed and can help them with precision by rerolling 1s to hit.
Or you could put them in a Repulsor for mobility. You wouldn't that much of an army outside of that, though, given the point cost. You might also consider improving their survivability. If you're a BA player, you can have a Librarian give them a 4+ invul.

>>55244721
That was what the anon I was quoting said happened - he got pissy because his opponent chose to concede relatively early intot he evening.

>>55244576

wut
I wonder what GW actually said. I imagine the news is missing a "like", "such as," or whatever in that sentence.

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>>55244516

Jervis Johnson once said, "When I see the numbers, I think Games Workshop must be a front for some money-laundering operation or something," and you could hear a pin drop.

Anybody got the rumour engine and shit it turned out to be images?

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HAPPY BIRTHDAY

>>55244516
Brexit means weak pound means more exports, which is fucking great for GW because the UK market is about as saturated as it's going to get.

>>55244200
>RAI is inherently unknowable

Wrong, motherfucker, unless you have no fucking brain.

>>55244783
Sauce?