Draigohammer 40k general /40kdraigo/

wow that was cancer

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Dis Thread Now Belongz TO DA ORKZ!

reposting my 2 questions for grey knights stratagems can i take teleportarium multiple times, and does only in death does duty end stack with crowes ability?

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What are some good non primaris space marine starter boxes? Anything aside from the Start Collecting, and is that one good?

reposting, please help a noob build a red scorp army

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>>55214353
>trying to take a Draigo thread
Sorry, you can't carry this much plot armor

Powerful IG characters when?

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https://vocaroo.com/i/s0wJBUugpY2x

>>55214343

Does nobody hide and hide reply chains anymore? Nothing of value is to be gleaned off bait/trolling and the responses thereof. Cut yourself off and transcend the cancer.

>>55214390
>hide and hide reply chains anymore?
not sure what you mean

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>>55214330
Prepare thy anus, Morty

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>>55214377
WAAAAAAGH!!!

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Got a bit of a question here, 40kg. I'm interested in the lore of 40k and very much in playing it, but I absolutely suck at painting and it's not something I'm terribly interested in. What would you recommend? Is there a painting method that can make minis look passable enough with minimal effort (idk, like spraypainting it and doing highlights over or something)? I'm willing to spend a reasonable of money and time, but I have the artistic skill of a sugar glider.

>>55214384
Character Sentinel when?

Draigo was able to beat Mortarion, because the Warp mutated Draigo to be the size of a Daemon Primarch. The fluff would have said it if Draigo wasn't as big as a Primarch.

>>55214375
>vanguard/sternguard vets
>at least 2 Apothecaries
>a venerable Dreadnought or two
>FW stuff, probably some Tanks or dreads
>good amount of power armor, maybe a scout squad or two
Probs want some primaris now, but definitely grab vets and Apothecaries. Can't say why, but I feel like centurions go with their army a lot too

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>>55214404
WAAAAAAAGGGH

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I've got a couple of 1500 point games coming up in a local league I'm participating in - first against Necrons and later against Iron Warriors. I play Dark Angels and have a pretty good collection of dudes. Any advice on list building or tactics to utilize? I've yet to play against either faction in this edition. I'm thinking of including some Black Knights and a AC/CCW+SB Venerable Dreadnought, since those have done real work for me vs MEQ in the past.

>>55214406
Easiest method I know is what ive seen some store managers teach people. Prime, one layer of your favorite color on armor, another of your favorite colors on regalia such as head dresses or pauldrons, then Drybrush with a bright color. Doesnt take that much time, dont need a lot of paints, and you get the satisfaction of having done it yourself.

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>Be 2018
>Necron Codex release
>Plastic Flayed Ones
>Plastic named HQ's
>Awesome Dynasty rules
>Point reductions to Destroyers, Heavy Destroyers, Warriors, Tomb Blades and Monolith
>Buffs to several lack luster named characters, Wraiths AP, Annihilation Barges, and Lychguard shields

>mfw Necrons are usable again

Please GW. Make this real.

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>>55214406
Saving up for a cheap commission studio to give your entire army a passable paintjob, or doing something like airbrushing or color primer spraying your entire army then dipping.

You probably shouldn't bother with playing the game if you don't care about the models or want to paint. There's other ways to get into the setting without having to play with an army. If you DO like the models, it's probably worth paying someone to paint them or figuring out a way for you to get past the hurdle of not wanting to paint, such as shortcuts or just slowly getting accustomed to painting.

>>55214431

>that Defiler pose

Since when did Cosa Nostra get ahold of Daemon Engines?

>>55214461
While I still havent actually lost any games with my Necrons. All of those things except 2018 make me hard.

In an apocalypse match on saturday, it took the combined might of a Warhound Titan and a 3CP Orbital Strike to kill all 5 of my shield Lychguard.

>>55214406
Your choice of army will be a factor. Necrons, some Marines and some Daemons are easy to paint with simple techniques will getting nice effects. Something like a Eldar army is a bit more involved.

>>55214431
when the battle cannon hits just right

>>55214406
Sure, though the exact method depends on your faction. Buy a can of Chaos Black spray paint (the first "primer" coat) and another spray can of the main color of your army (blue for Ultramarines, green for Orks, etc.). Prime the minis in black, allow them to dry, then spray them in the main color. Don't drench the minis in paint - hold the can a fair distance from the mini and just get a nice even coat across the whole mini. Paint the eyes (red for most factions) and the weapons (Leadbelcher is good for most of them). You're done! The minis are now ready for the tabletop. If you find you want to add a bit more detail, just pick out details here and there in appropriate colors (gold for decorations, brown for leather and cloth, flesh-color for, you know, flesh, leadbelcher for most mechanical details like space marine mouth-grills etc.), but no one will hold it against you if you decide your army is good enough without such flair.

>>55214442
Thanks, I'll look into it.

>>55214464
I'm alright with models, but I really wanna give the actual game a go.

>>55214493
I'm interested in T'au, mainly. Possibly Orks.

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>>55214441
When playing against Necrons, dont waste any lascannons on Arks or other transportesque vehicles unless you are feeling lucky. Quantum shielding will fuck you in the ass. And dont worry about the army as a whole as much as choose individual squads to obliterate every turn. If you are playing with objectives make them come to you.

I also assume they will have at least Two blobs of 20 warriors. Destroying one of the blobs completely with as much fire as you feel you can spare will go a long way to helping you win.

Wraiths can move through terrain so beware charges through any cover or buildings, and dont let yourself get too much tied up in any fights with Lychguard or Triarch Praetorians.

Nick away at any Triarch Stalker if you have a chance because it gives anything else that shoots at what it shoots at the ability to reroll 1's. This includes everything from warriors to fliers and tanks.

Pic related is my 1500 point Necrons. It isnt the most optimal build but It is what I love, I could have taken another 10 warriors in exchange for my Lychguard which I suspect most people will.

Finally if the Triarch Stalker has a Heat Ray, it will be used as a flamer if you charge it so be careful.

>>55214410
I'm okay with this

>>55214542
Would asking other players to teach you to play the game and lending you their army work? You could also build some armies with things like plastic army men or prepainted D&D/Heroclix figures.

Best option is probably just assembling the army you want and then giving it a color spray primer coat. People might grumble about "primer only army", but if it's a colored primer, it honestly looks 90% the same as a fully painted model from far away. Color primer is way better looking than black/grey/white primer or unpainted when playing.

>>55214542
If you dont like to paint, dont get Orks. You will have to do an excessive amount of painting and it wont be any fun. Tau will be a lot easier and you will be able to get into action earlier and do more with shooting than you will with Orks.

>>55214431
>DA REALM O' WAAAAGH TILE EDGES IZ LAVA, BOYZ!

>>55214410
Wasn't there a formation in 7th that made a Sentinel a character and let it issue orders to other sentinels?

>>55214441
The more vehicles you field the less necrons can do against you.

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>>55214369
Help

Does Epidemius only buff actual Chaos Daemons, or does a Foetid Bloat Drone also get buffed?

>>55214601
If you're okay with 30k Marines and how they look, Betrayal at Calth pretty much gets you an entire marine force sans transports.

>>55214563
>>55214599
Great advice, thanks!

>>55214601
He's going to tear her flesh, isn't he? : (

>>55214646
Gross

>>55214601
that whole series of comics is adorable

Do Primaris have working dangalangs or just Yiffer Primaris?

>>55214646

The original is an Ultramarine.

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>>55214656
>series

Go on

>>55214625
Basic target priority goes:
Stalker first as it buffs damage and carries one of the few sources of AT. Followed by either the rest of the AT, being either Heavy Destroyers or Doomsday Arks.

Then you want to destroy any Ghost Arks, as they provide extra resilience to infantry. Then you can just mop up as needed, the basic infantry dies to melee and any of the specialists dies fairly easily to plasma.

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It's been two weeks since Duncan's had a video.

Is... is he okay?! Did he drink too much paint water?

>>55214665
Oh, in that case space book says no.

>>55214624
Seconding this. Betrayal at Calth was one of the best boxes I've bought in recent memory. Sculpts were nice, very little flash/moldlines, massive savings when compared to buying seperately, and there's no "bad" units in the box (aside from maybe the Contemptor, but if the weakest unit in the fucking box is a Contemptor that's still DAMN good).
Prospero isn't quite as good but it's not too far off, still way above average. I mainly like the armor patterns and HQs from Calth more than those in Prospero but Prospero can be just as nice if you plan on having some Talons of the Emperor allies at some point.

>>55214664
Neither. Yiffs just brag about pushing rope and/or scoring with imaginary women because there's no way any other chapter actually has marines in the bedroom alongside them to let everyone know they're full of shit.

>>55214687
Isn't he on holiday or sumfink?

>>55214423
I have a hard on (heh) for centurions, am not sure if they would go well with the named characters though...

Tyvm for the response, I appreciate it. I'll put something together and get back to you

>>55214697
BoP would have been great if it hadn't been full of Custodes and SoS.

But Custodes and SoS models were also great so it's kind of a dilemma.

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What's the fluffiest way to get long-range heavy support in a sisters army?

>>55214687
He's busy stripping Emma of two things coats
And you're not

>>55214687
>>55214702
He's at NOVA
Though it's interesting that they don't have ready ones or make these ahead of time

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>>55214624
Normally I would like the older marks, but I'm looking at it for a Relictor force that probably wouldn't have access to a lot of that stuff. Thanks though, I'll keep in mind in case!

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>>55214708
Allied guard.

>>55214687

You know how GW has literal multi-gallon buckets of Aggrax Earthshade for painting terrain? Duncan accidentally spilled one.

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>>55214681

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>>55214665
LAME

>>55214675
Maybe another anon has them all

But it's about a guardsmen who bumps into a sororitas and is afraid of being executed for feeling her up, the femguard gives him a hard time and they all bump into eachother at a bar

>>55214563
Speaking of, something of interest happened the other day, me and my lil bro visited the nearby game shop in a bay town, while my goal was to try and get some info on how to pre-order the new L5R stuff, we saw two guys at one of the tables playing 40K, specifically a Chaos vs Tyranids thing...

This might have been a spark for my lil bro, as he wondered what the game was, I explained a bit of the setting to him. He seems fond of the Necrons, and after showing him a batrep of Necron army pretty much roflstomping an Eldar army, it may have solidified his interest in the game... now how am I to get some nessesary stuff for him? well, outside of a "Start Collecting" set, maybe also nabbing a rulebook and a codex for him...

>>55214708
Allied Catachan Heavy Teams so as to match their level of testosterone

>>55214723

Oh, good. I suspected he had accidentally drunk one.

Of course, with my level of painting skill, I'd probably drink a small pot of it to gain its power if I thought it'd do any good.

>>55214423
2 apothecaries, a dreadnought, and a veteran/centurion squad puts me at 4 elites.

Is it worth spending the only CP you get from a vanguard battalion on the extra elite?

>>55214675
Bolter no kokoro, I think

>>55214721
Back in the day there used to be "Battleforces" look into those.

>>55214721
Relictors are on scavenger mode so they probably would have older shit. But probably not a full army of Mk IV so you're right.

>>55214723
They do? Post pics

>>55214739
Buy him a can of leadbelcher spray and a pot of nuln oil gloss.

He'll have a better painted army than half the people here.

>>55214739
The start collecting is literally the best thing you can get for beginning Necrons. It saves you like 40 bucks and has all kinds of great stuff. As for extra things to get, definitely a box or two of Immortals, a box of Lychguard(Comes in Praetorian box) And an Ark Phalanx, it comes with hella warriors and a Ghost/Doomsday Ark, the Ghost Ark can help revive your warriors and the Doomsday ark is a super-Fuckblaster

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>>55214781

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2017/07/30/painting-a-battlefield-in-a-day-july30gw-homepage-post-3/

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what if I told you I was going to get rich off your aimless direction and craving for distraction, to indulge but not partake?

Im going to fucking do it.

>>55214811
How, birdman, how?

>>55214750
vanguard can have 6 elite m8

>>55214758
I'll put them on the list of things to check out

>>55214778
Pretty much, I think they look nice and all but it'd feel unfluffy to havee the whole force kitted out in them

>>55214841
I just showed my noob, I guess I saw the 3 and figured that's so many that there can't be more

>>55214841
Battalion as well if that helps.

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>>55214739
Also dont listen to the "Lychguard are bad" meme. They are stupidly resilient in all manners. Such as it taking a Warhound titan's entire shot load to bring them down to 1 model remaining out of 5

>>55214722
>>55214743
Yeah I figured guard was the answer. Maybe I just grab some sentinels.

>>55214802
going to be a hell of an expensive birthday present for him...

>>55214870
Anon.

Do you know what game you're trying to play?

>>55214870
You dont need to get it all at once. In fact, get the start collecting and whatever colors he likes and either 1 box of immortals or 1 box of Lychguard. Wait until he finishes building and painting those before you get anything more. To make sure he really is committed and so he doesnt get new model syndrome.

>>55214782
Fucking Sautekh

>>55214834
By giving you something to watch but not throw shekels at

its the perfect plan

>>55214886
Lord of the Rings?

>>55214739
Assuming he has some way to read pdfs you can save some cash by getting the rules/index from the OP.

>>55214905
Is this a BatRep or porn?

>>55214857
It happens, new system takes some getting used to

>>55214955
I took some blast and flamer templates out of my bag when setting up for a game the other day, and got laughed out of the store.

>>55214955
Thanks lol, I'm the slut who posts every couple days about playing EC but don't want to play demons. I am finding RS to be pretty cool guys, so I think I am going to try them.

Aside from what I have learned; obsession with gene purity to the point that apothecaries are everywhere. What other traits of the chapter should I try to put forth in my army?

>>55214862
You say that like it's some amazing feat. A warhounds guns are really inefficient at killing lychguard.

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>>55214972
>roll a scatter die
>someone shoves it up my nose and takes my lunch money

>>55214972
Looks like they flamed you so hard you're still booty blasted, eh?

>>55214972
I asked what initiative primaris marines have and got pelted with dice for an hour

>>55214936
both, and you'll see (14/7/2018)

Does anybody know any good cape bits that would fit an inquisitor? I tried asking /WIP/ and some people started an argument instead and then everyone forgot about me and moved on.

>>55215006
>ONE HOUR IN THE DICE-GLOVE

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>>55215004
>roll to run in the shooting phase
>someone punches me in the gut and they start running over my models in the parking lot

>>55215028
kek

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>>55215008

>>55215008
There's no 14th month, idiot!

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>>55215026
Chaos terminator lord maybe? It's handy because it's a separate piece.

>>55214802

They don't make the Ark Phalanx anymore.

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Sure can't wait to not get new rules for IG in Chapter Approved because "it's coming soon" and have to wait the longest to get any kind of attention AGAIN from GW. Feels great playing the Emperor's Hammer.

>>55215001
It is still a lot of shots they survived. It took that and then spending 3 CP out of spite to orbital strike them to kill them. It was amazing to me because if it had killed them straight out I wouldnt have had the time to consolidate my formation and keep a Wraithknight from walking all over my warriors or killing one of my 5 HQ's

>>55215063
God I love that kit

>>55215069
That is kinda disappointing. Although if they are lucky the store might still have one.

>>55215063
Looks nice but my friend plays chaos so I've seen the piece and I'm not sure how well it's going to fit. I'll look into it a bit, but it might be too big for what I'm working with.

>>55215073
IG book should arrive at the same time or before CA.

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>>55215073
Are you fucking retarded?

>>55215026
Warhammer fantasy models would be a good source for human sized torsos with capes.

>>55215008
Fuck that. I'm not inventing two extra months just for you.

>>55215104
>>55215109
Just getting my asshole ready for another 7th ed IG experience.

>>55215073
>how to let everyone in a 5 mile radius know you munch carpets without saying a single word

>>55215073

I'd be conscripted as part of a planetary tithe to her regiment, if you know what I mean.

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>>55215092
>>55215026
Ah even better then. Sisters of Silence. You even get 5 different capes to choose from.

>>55215115
I don't need the torso, I just need the cape but it shouldn't be too hard to file them to something I can work with. I'll look at some fantasy kits to see if I find something I like. Thanks

>>55215073
>Unending Necon whining recently
>This guy complaining despite getting a codex soon and having a broken faction
God you people make me have to bring out the cheese.

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>>55215158
sprue for reference

>>55215158
Those look pretty great, I'll look at the sprues to see how much work I'll have to do with them. Thanks.

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>>55215116
>>55215041
>>55215048
You'll be swept off your feet. You'll have no alternative. It'll be so honest.

And you'll love it. WE'LL love it.

>>55215186
Oh shit, thanks, saves me some GW site searching.

>>55215073

>Go longest time without any single model release, including longer than SoB
>be meh tier for years, even after last dated codex came out
>by some fluke, balance failure bullshit suddenly be catapulted to the very top of OP tournament scene bullshittery
>you are now hated by the entire community for being an OP WAACfag, and don't even have the benefit of being shiny and new to make up for it
>GW will undoubtedly overcompensate for their failure by knee-jerk nerf-hammering the shit out of your codex when it finally drops
>you will now have another meh-tier to shit codex for 4-6 years.

The joys of playing IG

Is Robby G really too good for his points OR are people just upset that they can't lascannon him off the board?

>>55215235
It's not that he's too good (though arguably he is,) it's that he buffs everything AND gives you extra CP, which are very powerful.

>>55214932
>>55214888
>>55214862
>>55214802
Thanks for the support.

Though, if it's one thing for him, he wishes to colour his army "Snow Camo" with "Red Energy".

But now comes the hard part...

>>55215231
Catapulted to the top?

Conscript spam isn't really a thing. No one wants to paint that many dudes, nor do they want to move than many models around the board just to win a game.

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Where are Death Korps? Why get rid of one of the cooler IG flavors? EXPLAIN GW REEEE

>>55215235
both.

fucking characters.

>>55215235
He is far too good for his points. He does way too much, for too few points, too consistently and safely.

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>>55215231
The Emperor protects, anon.
We hold the line.

>>55215259
In FW, where the cheaters play.

>>55215254
It's one of the limited examples of fluff matching rules.

Robby is supposed to be the best military commander ever. His rules support that.

>>55215259
Kriegers are Forgeworld's thing. And there's a giant section on DKoK in the FW AM index.

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>>55215259
How did you not know that DKoK are forgeworld

>>55215259
Retard.

>>55215258
Dude. You are wrong. We have results. ~100 conscripts are common for tournament winning guard armies.

How do you make Poxwalkers not shit? They're too slow and you need Typhus to baby sit them. Is there a way to make them faster or what?

>>55215283
Thanks I actually had no idea if I had to count my lemmings as standard guardsmen or if I was just blind

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>>55215231
>make army with stuff that looks cool
>army is fucking shit for years because I'm taking garbage units like billy club ogryn and stormtroopers
>8e means it now requires no detachment/formation finagling and is also quite decent on the table

Apparantly the dangel rules writer adam troke revealed at nova that the lion is the next primarch, followed by angron

>>55215231
>>Go longest time without any single model release, including longer than SoB

Wyvern.

>>55215319
Dont fuck with me man, dont fucking do it

>>55215254
And is a murdermachine in combat. And has a 2+/3++ and an additional revive ability for no good reason whatsoever.

>>55215319
Sweet
>ECfags btfo

>>55215319
Damn, 30kids BTFO

Primarchs in the game was one of the few things that made 30k interesting.

>>55215319
>those awesome Traitor Legion rules
>those awesome 8E rules
>that awesome red and white 30k paintjob
>plastic daemon Angron

I think I should just give in to Khorne's call.

>>55215319
I wonder if Angron will be more human looking or more Bloodthirster-y

>>55215319
Pretty much what people expected. Cipher was an obvious hint, and Khorne is far and away the most popular chaos god.

>>55215337
Welcome to months ago

Did you think they were going to stop after mortarion? lol

>>55215263
This
>>55215280
That's fine, I don't mind him mechanically, but he's undercosted for what he does

>>55215311
Bellboy lets you roll two dice for advance and pick the highest

>>55215354
No, but I did think it would take a lot longer - like years.

>>55215351
The art we have for daemon angron is pretty bloodthirstery

Would be shitty seeing we already have a bloodthirster AND skarbrand

>>55215257
Snow camo necrons? Quick painting tip, spray them with your primary color first and then randomly apply painting tape then spray with secondary colors (repeat as necessary but be careful not to use too much)

Alright anons, we know Morty's stats and abilities. We don't know his weapons and whatever Warlord Trait he will have.

Still, is he worth those 24pl?

>>55215359
360 points for a footslogging buffbot is fine.

>>55215319
Where is you source, literally haven't read this elsewhere

>>55215303
NOVA invitational winner had 120 conscripts, crap load of Elysians, and... Celestine

>>55215362
Thanks. My mate is whining, so I'll tell him to do that. I forgot the name of the bell dude.

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>>55214811
Oi, please proceed...

>>55215319
We're aware, you're posting nothing new.

>>55215158
Why is that man wearing boob plate?

Wow they just confirmed plastic SoBs at NOVA closing.
Pete Foley and Duncan were there for the closing announcement.

>>55215402
Not for one that is also an incredibly durable beat stick with bonus CP.


He's not the most broken thing in the game, but he is undercosted.

>>55215423
Also announced a portal that transports you to the 2D anime dimension.

>>55215423
Pics or it didn't happen.

>>55215423
nice try fuckboi

I like how plastic SoB are still so unbelieveable when we have plastic custodes fighting plastic daemon primarchs

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>>55214811
>>55215407
Shalom brothers, this is of interest to me

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>>55215319
>Only first founding chapters with living primarchs get the best toys
Almost makes you not want to eternally crusade.

>>55215405
>8E lists are Guilliman, Celestine, and 4 other HQs hiding behind 10 Assassins or 120+ horde

8E was a mistake!

>>55215451
The fact we have those and not plastic SoB is already self explanatory.

>>55215451
Why not? It's been nearly 15 years since the last models and 20 years since their first release. GW knows we want them, it's just they don't want to give them.

>>55215460
that list proves that tournament players are giant faggots

FUCKING GUILLIMAN

>>55215451
GW brought back GSC with a full range of plastics before we got sisters.

>>55215459
>wanting an overpowered special character crutch
Show some pride

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>>55215456
>>55215407
>>55214811

This is a chosen thread now...

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What sort of relics, stratagems, spells, and such are you hoping for fellow Sons players?

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Managed to score the Primaris half of the DI set NoS for $40. Today was a good day.

>>55215116
> retarded, illogical calendar just to be different from rest of the world
Oh, America.

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>>55215422

>>55215489

I'M CHAOS
SON OF A BITCH LOYALIST
LOYALIST IS PIG
DO YOU WANT A EMPEROR
DO YOU WANT A IMPERIUM
LOYALIST IS PIG DISGUSTING
ROBOUTE GUILLIMAN IS A MURDERER
FUCKING IMPERIUM OF MAN

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List fags are asleep. post your models!

Ok so this is what I am seeing for my first red scorpion army, bear with me as it's my first.

HQ
Chapter Master Culln
Magister Sevrin Loth

Troops
3 5man Tac squads w/ plas + combi-plas

Elites
2 Biker Apothecaries
Centurion Assault Squad

FA
Bike Squad w/ MM atk bike

Hvy Support
Contemptor Mortis Dreadnought w/ two kheres AC and cyclone ML
Land Raider Redeemer w/ MM

HQ and centurions go in the LRR, apothecaries go with the bikers and run over to heal/revive wounded, dreadnought and troops go together

How does this look?

I think I'd like to run a melee dreadnought or two with my marines. How do the venerable, conremptor and ironclad stack up?

>>55215559
>mfw it's the same calender

>>55215559
American dates follow the natural order when speaking the date verbally. Best order is year-month-day though.

>>55215576
Black base rim masterrace

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>>55215576
I'm going to have three separate Marine forces soon, and I'm never going to play any of them.

>>55215460

Basically same army core, conscript horde for bubblewrap protection or assassins for shooting screen

>>55215602
I use day/month/year when speaking.

>>55215602
>Best order is year-month-day though

That's the way the military does it in America. Dunno why the difference. The omission of the word "of" and possibly "the" in "July fourth" vs. "the fourth of July" is also pretty American.

>>55215576
Reminds me of Ninja Turtles ( not in a bad way)

>>55215609
>actually playing 40k
>not just collecting and painting legal armies and never playing

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>>55215576
Posted these a while ago when I finished them but I haven't finished anything recently so here they are again

>>55215609
Dioramafags>narrativefags>openplayfags>tourneyfags>dipmodelsinprimerfags

I think I've developed a feeling of kinship with the pre-heresy Iron Warriors.

Well mostly with the whole "Doing the thankless (but vital) job that no one else wants to do."

How are they in 8th edition?

>>55215622
You commonly state what year it is in everyday speech? That's kind of autistic.

>>55215576
Is that an ork choppa on the bottom left?

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>>55215451
>GW makes models for space marines but not models for non-space marines
Hmmm.

>>55215581
As in two fists? Then the Ironclad, because ant other dread with two fists will be absurdly overpriced (for regular CSM) since you pay full price for each fist. Also be sure to take a Stormraven to Taxi him around if you do. He's pretty slow.

Best "melee" Dread overall is a Contemptor though. Fast and one fist is enough to give people the business. Just don't give him two fists.

>>55215644
Dioramas are stupid unless they're army display boards with removable models. There's better models to use for just diorama creation, like military.

I really love playing 40k, and the lore of and building models, but I really hate painting them. How can I motivate myself to finishing my army?

Why are there people who look at a ruleset and think "how can I exploit the fuck out of this?"

Why can't we just build fun, fluffy armies?

The assassins + Guilliman list is just the latest example of bullshit list breaking.

>>55215423
Source: your ass

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>>55215644

I'm disappointed, anon.

Now go and remake that in meme-format and turn it in for credit.

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>>55215647
Forgot my pic

>>55215634
>>55215644
Oh, I play. Just not with marines. The world has enough marine players.

>>55215659
>Custodes and Daemon Princes are marines

You can't just call every non-xenos a marine, Anonymous.

>>55215622
You say First of January? That's pretty unusual.

>>55215668
I retract dioramafags then. How about displayfags

>>55215392
He does a 7" radius orbital bombardment for free twice every turn while also debuffing the toughness stats of all the units caught in it, and is going to be the hardest bitch in the game to bring down.

Are big point heavy characters more efficient than lower point characters?

>>55215672
Because two groups of people exist amongst us. One group thinks "I need to do this, or else I will lose to people who do it" while the other group thinks "I want to do this, to be as huge a dick as possible, because winning is everything."

The solution is genocide.

>>55215623
>That's the way the military does it in America.
Yeah. I have a job in the US Commerce Department and that's what I use when I'm being precise about dates.

>>55215686
You are truly a son of the emperor

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>>55215576

>>55215691
You don't? I say, how quaint! Come, Chad! Let us laugh into the backs of our hands at this philistine and his barbaaaaric manner of speech!

>>55215703
>can get -2 to be hit
>probably get a FNP/+T Warlord Trait as well

>>55215665
>As in two fists?
Not necessarily, just melee focused in general. But yeah, contemptor is looking good especially as I'll probably be foot slogging

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I'm not sure where to take this list from here. I tried finishing it a few different ways, with flyers, bikes, termies or a SoB melta detachment, but I'm not sure what the best thing to do is.

>>55215704
Depends entirely on the individual character. There's no rule of thumb like that.

>>55215647

They Ignore Cover, hate buildings, and have Obliterators. They lose some of the advantages of pre-Heresy/Heresy/HERESY! Iron Warriors, like Basilisks, but they are nonetheless pretty good at flushing out dudes from cover.

For added hilarity, face them off against Imperial Fists and now cover is pointless because you both ignore it, and end up slogging through open fields to choke the life out of each other. Just like the Iron Cage. Flavorful.

>>55215704
Depends on the auras or other bonuses they offer and their survivability/killing power compared to the cheaper unit.

Guilliman is worth it compared to a Captain or Lieutenant. A Chaplain is not.

>>55214461
Necrons need to have anti-tank options outside of Forge World...

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>>55215715
>when you go so fast your face melts

>>55215423
Pete Foley actually confirmed the exact opposite of that, according to my 100% trusted source, so please fuck off.

>>55215669
No more playing or buying new stuff til you finish painting

>>55215738
>They Ignore Cover, hate buildings

Hatred (Buildings)

>>55215691
>unusual
Maybe in retard land.

>>55215729
I know there's a psychic power for him to get -1, but how do you make him -2 to hit?

>>55215423

They also announced they'd be released inside a plastic Thunderhawk alongside Lion'el Johnson.

>>55215647
They're okay. Kinda weak tactics and stratagem, but their relic and warlord trait are great. The Relic gives you access to a super tough Deamon Prince, and the Warlord Trait gives you fearless blobs of cultist chaff which are extremely powerful in 8th.

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>>55215762
I had to strip that pilot and the one on the left because the Incubi Darkness I used came out bad. Also, this is my first attempt at a face on the one on the left.

>Hekatrix, I don't think this is Splintermind.

>>55215785
Lion El'Jonson is actually coming though, don't mingle his legit rumours in with the memes.

>>55215687
Space marines are literally space marines though.

>>55215738
>For added hilarity, face them off against Imperial Fists and now cover is pointless because you both ignore it, and end up slogging through open fields to choke the life out of each other. Just like the Iron Cage. Flavorful.
I'm still amused that a match between the siege experts might as well be on an empty table.

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How does this 2000 point list look? Currently collecting and building to make an armored regiment. Playing on TTS is fun but I wanna play against friends at a store someday.

Knight Commander Pask, Punisher +Lascannon, 2 Plasma Cannons, Storm Bolter
Tank Commander, Punisher +Lascannon, 2 Plasma Cannons, Storm Bolter
Tech-Priest Enginseer
Tech-Priest Enginseer
Hellhound
Hellhound
Battle Tank
Executioner
Executioner
Hellhammer +4 Lascannons, 4 Twin Heavy Flamers (Sponsons)

>>55215812
Well you can still block LOS.

>>55215812

Try facing off Raven Guard and Alpha Legion. Suddenly everyone's been struck by a bout of near-sightedness.

>>55215823

Not for long is that LoS is a building.

>>55215828
Literally night fighting

>>55215402
Except he's also murderous, hard to kill, and buffs EVERYTHING.

>>55215801
>When the combat drugs kick in

>>55215785
Facebook is round the corner friendo

>>55215805
Pete said no more primarchs soon while they focus on the SoB range update though

>>55215801
Tiny infantry faces can be a bitch, but boy do the mistakes make amusing photos.

Is it reasonable to take a contemptor and a venerable dread in a 1000 point list?

>>55215538
Nice. The other day I got the whole box for $88.

>>55215828
>both armies arrive on battlefield
>nobody can see the enemy
>everyone goes home

>>55215828
>>55215842
So everyone gets MGS guard vision then.

>>55215782
>always talks shit about other countries for being ignorant
>is ignorant about other countries' ways
Thought you Bongastanis prided yourself on cultural awareness.

>>55215853
Unlikely

>charge Reaver jetbikes into base contact
>Arena champ's leg snaps off and he pivots sideways in his chair to face the nearest enemy
>opponent: hurr he died
>Shout "POWER FROM PAIN NIGGA" autistically at him
>win the fight

>>55215842
>sun comes up, both armies go home

>>55214431
>that many well painted boyz
glorious, if only I had the patience to do that. meanwhile im just painting vehicles and characters while staring at my pile of 50 primed boys. And I hate doing just the bare minimum so they will probably not get done any time soon.

>>55215833
>2017
>still no destructible terrain

>>55215864
Let me get those red dice yo

>>55214461
Necrons are a decent army if not a tad bit boring to play from what I've seen.

>>55215893
Theyre so nice, I really like them.

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>>55215579
>no points total
nothing to deepstrike? and your long range anti tank is missing. How exactly are your tactical squads going to get into plas rapid fire? two apocs on one squad?

really tho you have two threats. the bikers and the land raider. the land raider will be pretty much the only tank lvl target you have, so it will be eating all your enimes lascannons, while your bikers will be getting every last heavy bolter and smite on the board. will they last? no, not really. not even sure what the bikers will be doing once in range, the least you can do is give them a melee char to at least give them options.

your tacticals and dred will have to get really close to do any real damg, and they dont seem to have a way to get there in time. a five man tac squad footslogging will die to the most causal of attention, AKA the lasguns/bolters that were split fired from the heavy weapon guys shooting your land raider and bikers.

I say, one, get atleast a rhino for one of your tacticals, maybe even a razor back with some good ranged shooting. two, something to deep strike, go through the list, sternguard with plasmas in a drop pod will work better then on your tacticals. three, if your absolutely determined to use bikers, give them a a source of re-rolls so they can seem threating. forth the dread will have to walk to get into 18'' asuult gun range, so give him regular long range guns wich you despertly needs, and put him on your back feild objective. or better yet five, get some kind of durable back field holder, a thunderfire cannon and some scouts or something, idk, a five man tac isnt going to do it. sixth, what is your libby doing? anwser that, then consider if the points are better spent else where. is he just casting smite? or do you think his points is worth whatever buff your including him for? is he going to cast that more then once when he drops from the land raider?

>way to long

anyway good luck m8

>>55215459
>pic
>crushes little girls hand upon contact.
>shiet

>>55214461
>plastic flayed ones
Yes please sir.

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>>55215451
sisters are perfect just how they are, are you poor or something

>>55215943
She is so goddamned short.

>>55215873
I am not a resident of the caliphate, friend.

>>55215687
>custodes
golden, big space marines
>daemon princes
big, half daemon space marines

>>55215943
Does that point nipple armour count as a melee weapon?
UserS AP-4 D2?

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>>55215873

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>>55214389

>not honoring the entire pantheon

>>55215964
>SoB

Female space marines

>IG

Unarmored, pre-augment space marines

Checks out, IMO. We can probably even show how most xenos are just exotic variants of space marines.

>>55215990
>posts /pol/ strawman

Nigger pls, i've seen how much you losers love to talk shit about random third world shitholes nobody outside of the EU has heard or cares about.

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>>55215525
Nine relics each more useless than the last

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Quick rundown on the latest thread drama? Heard some (he who shall not be named chaos boy) and cheetoposter botched a couple of threads.

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I was thinking of grabbing a Betrayal at Calth set for CSM models, maybe do them as IW but what other warbands would look good in Mk4? Obscure warbands that may be interesting?

>>55215980
No
When attacked in the fight phase, the attacker rolls a D6 per successful hit roll, on a 5+ the attacker suffers a mortal wound

>>55215993
Ya but Custodes and Daemon primarchs are/used to be space marines or part space marines.

>>55216016
Fuck off

>>55216017
IW would look much better with MK3 armour from Burning of Prospero, isnce that's sort of their staple armour. Off the top of my head though Alpha Legion has a lot of MK4 armour.

>>55215909
I think that the people here play about 1500 points, and again I am totally new so forgive me.

Honestly if you guys have a better idea I am all game.

The only question I can truly answer is 6

He's a named character and I like that, but most importantly he can deny psykers 3 times which is amazing to me. He and Culln make psykers' lives miserable.

I am all open to anything you can suggest

>>55216040
no, make me.

>>55215609

Scythes of the Emperor?

>>55216026
>Custodes
>part space marines

That's like saying monkeys are part human.

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>>55215820
how are the tech priests going to keep up with your tanks? If the detachment chart was out the window, i'd drop the hellhounds and give some sort of troops in transport to scoot around with the tech priests and maybe grab an objective after droppin him off up ahead. or that little FW Trojan, it give rerolls to tanks, so that could be nice for your hellhammer.

>the best tank in the army atm is the taurox prime with two auto cannons and the mini battle cannon. more fire power then a regular russ, just really squishy. but they also haul the best troops in the army, Scions. if you ignore conscripts that is.

>another important thing with tank armies is keeping away deepstrikers, scout sentinels pre deploy and move before the first turn, so they provide that 9" no go zone. also fulfill fast attack slots for cheap.

>also the codex drops before november is out, so maybe don't buy anything to dependent on exact rule wording yet. AKA the tank comanders.

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>having female models in your army

>>55215896
They're ok but the edition changes didn't favor a lot of their stuff.

>>55215853
He factually said nothing of the sort. He said SoB aren't even planned right now, while another designer said Lion is next.

>>55216061
Is that a daemonette behind the pilgrim-inquisitor?

>>55216064
But Anonymous, all my space marines are females.

>>55216059
I also said Are space marines. Forgive me if I'm not that knowledgable in custode fluff but aren't they made the exact same way as a normal space marines, minus primarch geneseeds. Correct me if I'm wrong.

>>55216055
Were originally going to Destroyers, but I'm probably going to make then an OC chapter.

>>55216084
Oh so that explains it, you don't even know what Custodes fucking are.

>>55216017
To be honest, I think you could get away with painting them as Word Bearers, if your freehand is half decent.

Amp up the scripture, litanies and geometric patterns on the armour itself, and mixed in bits from the possessed box for your possessed or any other more demonically-inclined models you want to run and it'll be fine.

As for fluff, just go for the standard, fled into the warp after Siege of Terra, and while it's been 10k years for us it's only been 100 for them yadda yadda.

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>>55216079
>when you're so fly you can bind a daemon to your dick

>>55216134
They're space marines.

>>55216164
>don't even have the space marine keyword
>must be space marines

>>55216134
>it's another Custodes player gets pedantic and spergs out about how his super golden space marines totally are different from space marines episode

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>>55216049
well I gave you a bunch of suggestions already, but really think of what role your units will play in the whole battle. how many turns will it take for them to do their jobs is a big one. bust out your minis and a tape measure and do a bit of movement practice. moving into position takes a few turns atleast, all the while getting shot. so having something deepstrike turn one will give you a chance to scoot up the board a bit and deal a bit of damage in the critical first turn, where you opponent will have a chance to fire with his whole army at sitting ducks.

go on your favorite app store and look up 'battle scribe' its a good list builder, punch in your units and see how many points you really have to play with. aim for 1500, but 1850 is the common American tournament number.

really though, everything else will work, at least sorta, its your 5 man tacitcals that wont live long enough to deliver plasma shots or hold an objective.

>>55216159
That's a meme I haven't seen in a long time

>>55216179
Ok, thanks friend I appreciate it. I have two drop pods, I might be able to use those

>>55216134
Jeeze, I was just trying to be nice about it. But even if they arent technically space marines, theyre still superhuman soldiers in power armour.

>>55216202
Don't take it to heart anon, there are some cranky posters here.

>NOVA
>No Necrons, Tau, or Admech present at all
How do we fix this, please don't meme or bully me.

Also of course Eldar popped up 5 times and outnumber non Eldar xenos combined. Can't wait to see their codex >balancing

Where can I buy nurgly icons and shit for vehicles?

>>55216233
Necrons are the most boring faction in the game, I hope they sink into obscurity and become the new Sisters.

AdMech are getting a new Codex soon, hopefully it fixes things for them.

Tau are utterly wretched right now and need a complete redesign to stop them being "spam muh animu mecha" the race before anyone will care about them.

>>55216016
There was a lot of austistic screeching going around, but mostly from you know who. The topics changed as they hopped threads but it ended in argument about whether Abby is Primarch-sized or not.

Answer: It doesn't matter because he sucks either way.

Also there were two Cheetahfags for whatever reason. One seemed to agree with whatever Carnac said, while the second accused the other of being Carnac samefagging.

It was weird.

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>>55216012
Cease this

>>55216279
Carnac is a known samefagger, so I'm betting the other cheetahguy was probably right. I missed this shitstorm though, thank fuck.

So is 30k dead now that everyone moved on to 8th edition while FW inexplicably stuck with the shit ruleset of 7th?

>>55216271
Wow, fuck you too toaster licker. What is wrong with Necrons?

>>55216271
>fixes things for admech
I thought admech were in a good place with onagers

>>55216356
That's like saying 7e nids were in a good place with Flyrants

>>55215641
I think I only saw them primed, pretty cool to see them finished. Good work, anon!

anyone have any ideas for a decent sm attack bike conversion (multi-melta specifically)? I am tempted to just mount the gun on the front and call it a day

>>55216333
They're robot egyptian human skeletons IN SPAAACE. They're completely derivative and redundant, and before you say most of the races in 40k are, yes you're correct, but Necrons have that problem worst of all of them. They're fucking bland as all fuck, they have nothing going for them another faction doesn't do better.

OOOH WE'RE SPOOKY AND ABOUT DEATH- nigger every fucking army and its brother are about death, Space Marines are Angels of Death, all the humans cover themselves in skulls and spooky gothic robes, Khornates are devotees of slaughter and bloodshed, Dark Eldar are BDSM torture snuff rape freaks, the setting has literal Daemons from Space Hell that want to turn your soul inside out and use it as a cocksleeve, Tyranids already do the inexorable mindless faceless tide of horror far better, Mechanicus have more interesting cyborg robo-aesthetics that don't just look like store brand Terminator, Eldar already have the "unbelievably super ancient no even older than that old as balls super advanced alien race with forgotten super ancient technology" schtick while having a ton of other depth and sub-factions and shit.

Necrons just offer the game literally nothing. They were a fucking mistake. Just redundant noise to take focus away from more interesting factions that have unique qualities which aren't already taken by other factions.

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>>55216179

>>55215581
Contemptor with graviton fists

>>55216017
Alpha Legion look great in HH armors.

>>55216453
This. Also what is the point of c'tan when chaos has the chaos gods already? Have they ever even done anything relevant to the story?

>>55216453
Not to mention that if you want undead space Egyptians, TSons already exist and are more interesting in every way that matters.

>>55216512
This too. As much shit as Space Marines get for being half the races in the setting and overdone, TS are actually pretty unique as far as flavors of Marines go and pull of the ancient Egyptian look better. I hope they eventually get an expanded model range on the same level as Death Guard look to be getting. Their Heresy era shit from FW looks cool as fuck.

>>55216453
They work when they're a bad guy for the admech,

>>55216453
What niche do the Tau have, pretty sure Necrons cover it better.
But first things first, I hope they squat your faction fucker. Cogs are the discount Necrons

>>55216453
There are times I wish the Necrons were just the Iron Men, but that would make an already overly human focused human setting even more focused on humanity and its dumb mistakes.

New faction is going to be a non-imperium human faction. Rogue human empire with dark age technology. Think Interax.

>>55216558
But will they have women?

>>55216539
>What niche do the Tau have
Being the new race on the block. They're basically there to represent the races that will take over the galaxy once humans finally fuck themselves to near oblivion the way of the Eldar.

I don't think Necrons are that bad, but they probably gotta be careful about shit they add to the army. Necrons have probably had one of the less focused directions of all the armies, and it feels at times that GW isn't 100% sure what to do with them. Which sucks, but it's not like GW takes fan suggestions anyway.

>>55216535
Not really. Any other Xenos race could do that better.

>>55216539
Tau are the anime mecha-suit and generic, non-gothic sci-fi pew pew race, which actually stands out in 40k since almost all the other races are weird medieval fantasy space opera hybrids. They're also the coalition of various races under one banner Faction, which has Star Wars esque qualities.

I'm not particularly fond of Tau but I have to admit they bring something unique to the game that would be lost without them.

Also
>Cogs are the discount Necrons
Ahahahahahaha even you don't actually believe this.

>>55216575
One female special character, at most.

>>55216558
There is no new Faction coming. Stop spreading fake rumours.

Nova completely shut down the
>PLASTIC SISTERS ARE R-REALLY COMING HONEST
and
>NEW RACE OMG NEVER SEEN BEFORE FACTION COMING SOON
Rumours for good. The next time those will even be possible will be around a year from now when GW has had time to hatch up new schemes.

>>55216588
I don't agree, the eldar aren't scientific enough, the tau are too new and the orkz are just weird. Necrons give that 'we dug too deep' feeling, or at least they did before the reboot.

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>>55216605
>NOVA is the only place GW ever shows off or talks about new products

are you slow in the head

>>55216639
Where in my post does it say or imply that you dumbass.

>>55216652
Show me where NOVA somehow proved sisters and new factions are never coming

>>55214721
Relictors are going to have gotten their hands on loads of relic power armor. That's their jam.

>>55216581
>>55216588

admech wish they were on the same tech plane of existence as necrons, tau wish that too

>>55216652
I'm surprised he didn't call you out on the fact that the only "source" we have is an anon who says he knows a guy who asked about sisters and a new race. No real news story or announcement, just honest heresay. Which, is believable, but it's fucking childish to get so defensive when I haven't seen anyone prove shit.

>>55216699
People who spoke directly to Pete Foley said he stated a new faction and a sisters update were both on the wishlist of things they would like to do but have no current plans.

No current plans means the earliest we could see it is over a year away if you know how GW's production schedule works. The things that come out were being worked on behind the scenes for usually around a year and a half before they're available on the shelf.

No I can't prove this to you, but I don't really care. It does mean that with 100% confidence I know you are a fucking liar if you make posts like "new faction coming in December lol it's Interex"

>>55216558
Doubt, can't pull out a secret human empire out of your ass that can possibly be a major player

>>55216588
T'au arguably are being played up as an admech enemy the most. What with the whole IA book about it afterall.

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Why do marines try to whack at each other with chainswords, when those have no armor penetration? Wouldn't it make more sense to use the knives instead (easier to slide trough a 'chink' in the armor'?

>>55216708
Yeah, but that's because the Admech have always been a bunch of retards. For anyone who's played for years, I have to assume the way GW has been slowly taking away the satirical "humans use passed down retard science" to, the much more boring "no, really, these guys are good at stuff, we were joking for the first 20 years" has got to be annoying.

And aren't Necrons so advanced that GW had to retcon them to be LESS advanced? Like, by taking away their frictionless drives or some shit?