EDH/Commander General /edhg/

First for Iona did nothing wrong

>thread question
A-OK

>>55210516
>How do you feel about Stax elements?
Love 'em. Love playing 'em, love playing against 'em. It's a puzzle to solve when you're against it

why didn't you put the discord link in the op?

>>55210486
Okay, anon. Prove me wrong. Show me an anime that sets itself apart! An anime that has unique character designs that don't look like every other anime, an anime that actually has *GOOD* animation for a change, an anime that isn't full of tropes and seems like it was written by an edgy teenager.

Show me, anon.

Stax keep stupid Yugibabbies and millenial casuals from playing, so I'm all for it.

>stax

Stax is one of those things that is interesting to play against once or twice, but just becomes boring after that.

>>55210547
HaHa.

>>55210554
For that matter, any TV show, from anywhere.

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It's okay. I hate it in Bant or Azorius though because those color combinations get my blood boiling.

>>55210554
>show me something that is completely subjective

Anything that would be given as an example you would just say, "Nope, lol!"

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Working on making my first foil tokens to use to differentiate the different Inalla clones she has.

Thoughts on these? Couldn't find any thematically fitting, generic-looking Wizard images and the character art thread also didn't provide any, so I just rolled with these dudes.

HP printers are absolute shit, by the way.
Don't ever get any of the damn things.

>>55210554
>overturn my bias for me!
No thanks.

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>>55210617

>>55210590
I don't get the joke?

>>55210554
No one is going to spoonfeed you

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>>55210636

>>55210554
so while we're on the subject I guess, is LWA worth watching if I liked the movies?

>>55210516
>Stax

IMO the most interesting deck to pilot thanks to a complex and ever-shifting decision tree through which you have to maneuver skillfully in order to win and not just fuck everything up before dying.

Unfortunately, from the other side of the table the experience is rather dull since not much is happening. The better you know Stax the more entertaining playing against it is because you know better how, where, and when to poke it to make the house of cards come tumbling down, but starting out without piloting it yourself it's just a grind, win or lose.

My c17 decks arrived and my vampire deck was miscut. Is that in any way valuable on any timescale? Or is it just bad manufacturing on a large print run set?

>>55210670
It's alright. Nowhere near as good as the movies and drags out too long and Akko is an insufferable moron in a majority of episodes, directly causing almost every bad situation in the show and never admitting she's the one that caused it or getting any real repercussions for it. But overall the show is OK.

>>55210554

Ping Pong.

>>55210724
that's a shame. Oh well, I'll 3 episode rule it, thanks.

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QUICK!
Post the SPICIEST of tech for him and anything super fucking neat for Naya YUGE stuff to pick up before people start buying shit!

>>55210717
been a lot of fuck ups with the set. I feel miscuts with this set aren't going to really be worth much. You could always try contacting someone for a replacement.

>>55210772
a box of rivals of ixalan

>>55210670
I was considering a LWA playmat just for my Inalla deck and making her clone tokens the main girls, similar to what >>55210617
is doing.

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>>55210717
Depends entirely on how miscut they are.

>>55210736
I want to re-watch it, but Nyaa died and I don't have any private trackers to get it from.

>>55210785
do it anon. God speed to ya.

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>>55210554

this >>55210736

>>55210791
nyaa.si
nyaa.pantsu.cat if you don't like the people running nyaa previously.

>>55210554
autism

>>55210791

When i get back home I'll toss it up on /t/, just check there like next weekend.

Everyone should get to watch Ping Pong as much as they want.

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>>55210791

>>55210772
Chameleon colossus.

>>55210772
Chameleon Colossus
Strionic Resonator
Worldly Tutor
Taurean Mauler
Changeling Hero
Mirror Entity
Fireshrieker
Grappling Hook

>>55210554
You have the demeanor of one who will reject even correct answers, especially given the subjective nature of some of your prompts. But on the off-hand chance that you actually give a shit... Haibane Renmei. I could also throw in Puella Magi Madoka Magica, Steins;Gate, or Fate/Stay Night Unlimited Bladeworks but those are all tropier or feature more stylized animation.

>>55210670
It's... different. The original specials/movies had an innocent charm to them that's a little weaker in the full series. On the other hand, the series can take its time to build characters that the original short and Magical Parade just didn't have the opportunity to do. On the third hand (shut up, you don't know I'm not a Vedalken), the pacing of the series is a garbage fire -- what's considered 'season 1' on Netflix is padded to hell; it's 25 episodes but it easily could have had the best of both worlds at 12 or 13 episodes. On the fourth hand, the universe and conflict in the series is actually unique from a tropes-and-storytelling point of view. Instead of being Akko the not-quite-a-Squib at not!Hogwarts, there's a broader picture of a world where magic is dying, and Akko's personal devotion to seeing, and bringing others to see, the beauty and potential of the art that so inspired her is a lot stronger in the broader context of the show's universe.

It could have been really great if it was a little tighter, but if you liked the movies I'd give it a watch.

>>55210785
Do it
>>55210823
Thanks wizards.
My arahbo had a flaked holo stamp
So did my saskia last year, and a goyf I pulled around the same time

>>55210897
thanks for the detailed review man. I'm somewhat more intrigued now.

it's on Netflix? That makes life easier.

>>55210823
I'd honestly just put the more valuable ones up for sale on ebay, I bet you'd be able to make enough to re-buy the whole thing.
Or if you want I'll trade you my unopened set. I like miscuts.

>>55210807
Thanks man, I didn't know about nyaa.si. Pantsu's torrents are pretty much dead, but .si has a working one.

>>55210785
Inalla just brings out the Anime, doesn't she? I'm going Madoka, with Homura sleeves considering I'm running infinite turns. And if I believed in doing alters you bet I'd be putting Kyubey on Demonic Tutor/Diabolic Tutor/Infernal Contract/Demonic Pact

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>>55210516
>How do you feel about Stax elements?
I'm personally fine with them, though there certainly is a time and a place for stax, mainly higher power groups. My group used to have kind of a knee-jerk reaction to the very idea, but we've got enough power swinging around at this point that nobody batted an eye when I said I was building Gaddock Teeg with some stax.

>>55210516
Stax depends on the group desu.
In a casual/low power group, they keep people from playing. In a competitive/high power group, they can sometimes be necessary.

If you're chilling with friends and playing purely for fun, it shouldn't really be played, unless the group is cool with it or prepared to work against it. It usually sucks for everyone to play against, and enjoying yourself through denying the enjoyment of others is badwrongfun.

In a more cutthroat environment where everyone's playing to win by any means, then sure, go ahead. The whole point of everything there is to be nasty to play against.

I wouldn't take a stax deck to play against my friends. Maybe a couple of stax elements in the deck, but nothing that would result in a total lockdown.
I might take a stax deck to play against people who I know I might not play with again anytime soon.

>>55210846
>Chnageling Hero
Besides being a Dinosaur and flickering your dinosaurs, how does it help a Grishath deck?

>>55211021
That's all. It's another Dino, provides a flicker, and has lifelink for when that's relevant.

>>55210952
>>55210785
>not going Cardcaptor Sakura alternate Inalla art and making her clones the stuff she captured

>>55211057
>>55210952
>>55210785
All of these and a fourth Inalla rocking Sailor Moon or Nanoha need to fight it out.

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>buy catdeck
>get no tokens for this

wat, it creates tokens, and they don't even bother to include tokens of it?

>>55211182
>no mention of Utena

>>55211254

Just buy more copies of the card?

>>55211254
Use some dice

>>55211254
They have never and will never create tokens for copies like this.

Token creatures have no CC, embalmbed creatures have no CC.

This axe, like Pack Rat, is a perfect replica of the card (aside that it's a token).
A "token" of this, would be an additional Bloodforged Battle-Axe.

>>55211254
I noticed this too
>>55211279
Kek

>>55211306
>token not being a mirror of the original
>token not existing at all
Getting real tired of wizards shit

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/deathlink-and-lifetouch-ayli-eternal-pilgrim/

Moving for school tommorow and I finally am gonna build a commander deck, how's this look? Don't wanna spend too much more.

>>55211306
>perfect replica
>except it's not a perfect replica

>>55211279
>Just buy more copies of the card?

this is exactly what wizards thinks will happen, increasing the price of the card, and making people buy more c17 cats

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>>55211306


>>55211254
so if i put this on that axe, will the tokens have a mana cost too? or will those tokens be different kind of tokens?

In any case: I maek ax, I win

>>55211378
>exact replica
>can't tell the difference
But which one is worth more

>>55210605
If I had an alter of Gwafa Hazid like this, I'd begin developing a Commander list immediately.

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>>55210772

>>55211737
this is pretty spicy, worldy tutor is similar as well.

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>>55211331
I'm still pissed that they haven't created an official token (to my knowledge) for Ophiomancer.

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post cute synergy
>1RR to steal yo girl permanently

>>55211894
Conjuror's Closet with threaten effects is the basis of my "steal yo shit" Mizzix deck.

>>55211453
Sorry for the late reply, I was makin' dinner.

Mechanized Production also creates "perfect" copies of whatever it enchants.
Only difference is that they're tokens.

>>55210772
Runes of the Deus

>>55210772
ajani, caller of the pride
armed//dangerous
boros charm
onward//victory
psychotic fury
sunhome, fortress of the legion

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>sitting down to play edh with some people I haven't played with before
>let's roll to see who goes first
>one guy takes out a spin down counter
>other player says, no you can't use that
>I ask why not
>because the numbers are in different positions from a normal die, so it's not fair
>I'm pretty sure all the numbers still have a 1 in 20 chance of rolling no matter where they are on the die's face
>no, they're out of position, so it's different
>well the odds aren't different, but even if they were, if we all roll the same one it won't be a problem
>NO IT'S NOT A FAIR DIE

What the actual fuck?

>>55212316
seems like you had a meeting with a common autistus maximus, hope you calmed him down before he enraged

>>55211851
Yeah, that's a travesty. But he needs a reprint and when it happens, we'll get the single token we need for him.

>>55212316
It technically, TECHNICALLY, does have different chances, but it seriously isn't enough to matter, especially in fucking commander

>>55212316
his valid, yet incredibly pointless, argument is one side of the die is 'loaded' with majority high numbers and an aspie of significant magnitude could abuse this by holding/tossing the die a certain way. A fine counterpoint to this is that one can simply place said spindown in a cup then toss it out a-la Yahtzee Style

>>55212316
I mean like they are slightly oddly balanced, but who gives a shit.

>>55212397
There have been so many close tokens, but they either aren't mono black, or are an enchantment creature, or don't have deathtouch. It just doesn't feel right using them. And i only need one.

>>55212436
another way to work around this in two-player is to call evens/odds

>>55212436
Or throw it against a wall like a casino. As long as it actually rolls and they're not just dropping it down a certain way, then it's the same as a normal die.

>>55212422
>It technically, TECHNICALLY, does have different chances

How so? (Assuming they're actually rolling it and not trying to trick shot it on one side)

>>55212562
Because if you kick a fuss about not being able to use a spindown, they assume it's because you're trying to trick shot it on one side.

>>55212528
Casino wall is awfully specific, can it just be my LGS wall? It's inconvenient to find a casino unless I'm at GP Vegas.

>>55212316
He's right, extremely technically: Spindowns aren't fair dice and it would be far easier than normal to make them super-unfair.

While nobody's worried about deliberate cheating, my group doesn't use spindowns as d20s for D&D even if they're at hand.

But for a fucking EDH roll-off he's way too much of an autist.

>>55212562
https://www.reddit.com/r/rpg/comments/1hr8a9/does_using_a_spindown_dice_matter/

Long story short, they're not made to be rolled like normal dice, so they're not balanced, and are typically jankier than actual dice.

>>55212594
No, it has to be a Cesar's Palace craps table, otherwise no EDH for you.

>>55212595
They have the exact same odds as a d20. There is no reason not to use one.

>>55212613
Craps tables would be pretty comfy to game at/on

>>55212608
Most d20s aren't perfectly balanced.

Honestly there's no such thing as a random number and the simulated universe you're living in is just using a shitty srand function for die rolls.

You're just points of data, who cares?

>>55212652
The difference in how a spindown counter's numbers are carved and a normal d20's are is different.
Additional or larger digits means the actual depth of the number carving has to be adjusted.

Fang Chung at the fucking plastic dice plant doesn't give a shit, and neither does Wizards.

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>stax
What's fun about not being able to play the game, having no mana for answers, and no cards in hand? It may be fun for one, granted. But I don't have the time to play magic for an hour just so one guy can snicker with glee that he spent a thousand dollars or more to make a deck just for the purpose of grinding the game to an almost complete stop. If that's where I see the game going and it seems like one guy's entire deck is nothing but that and these are not just a few cards he happens to have as a subtheme, I scoop. Not for me.

>>55212705
>giving a stax player the satisfaction of a rage quit

you are literally the reason why people play stax

>>55212470
Exactly. So many variants of 1/1 snake tokens.

>>55212753
EZ win!

>>55212686
Exactly, if we're talking about die inconsistencies, a spin down is just as likely to have defects as a random d20 you buy at the store. It's going to be statistically insignificant between the two to the pint that allowing one but not the other is idiotic.

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>>55211851
MTGO must have one, pic tangentially related.

>>55212794
Yeah, they do, but I wish I had a physical one. I have the correct tokens for all my other cards, but have to use a die for the snake.

>>55212686
>had the opportunity to say Wang Chung and didn't
I'm disappointed, anon.

>>55210516
Who is your favorite stax commander, edhg?

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>>55211851
>>55212397
>>55212470
>>55212758
for your tokens

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>>55212860
I mean I was just being cheap when I made this but printing your own may not be such a bad alternative. I printed it out and put it in front of a different token and it doesn't look half bad.
I had to stop myself from spending 4-6 bucks on a token just because I didn't like the 75 cent version haha

>>55212912
Can you bulk order just the black ones?

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>>55212941
found this on a walmart site

https://www.walmart.com/ip/Bag-Of-Snakes-Halloween-Decoration/44134968?wmlspartner=wlpa&adid=22222222227032792708&wl0=&wl1=g&wl2=c&wl3=66579111992&wl4=pla-130447391792&wl5=9027628&wl6=&wl7=&wl8=&wl9=pla_with_promotion&wl10=8175035&wl11=online&wl12=44134968&wl13=&veh=sem

>>55212964
>Bag of Snakes
This made me chuckle in the way that I do whenever I think about a barrel of monkeys.

>>55212316
Spindown dice are NOT fair dice to roll. They are good for spinning down but not for actually rolling.

I play with a group that uses them and at first I did mention this but everyone trusts each other and didn't care when I said it so we all use a spindown and I don't cheat and hope no one else does. It absolutely is not random though and is unacceptable in any tournament.

>>55212316
The point is that spindowns are trivially easy to cheat with. Notice how literally every "serious" die is made so that it doesn't have a high-half and low-half. That guy isn't an autist, if anything you're an autist for not being able to consider other people as separate from yourself and realizing that they might cheat.

What are some EXTREMELY SICK hate cards in mono-green? Stuff like Hall of Gemstone, Ritual of Subdual, and the like

>>55211894
this + Path to Exile instead of Cloudshift is similarly enjoyable

>>55213129
Tsunami, Back to Nature?

>>55212573
Literally this

>>55213019
What makes Spindown so bad for rolling?

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>>55213129
whoever you hit with this will hate you for the rest of the game, if not longer

>>55212675
Terry disagrees - do you happen to glow in the dark?

>>55213129
Choke and Natural Balance are a good time

>>55212912
Kek

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Guys, so for most people, the removal of the Planeswalker Uniqueness rule doesn't mean much, but as someone who has had a Reki, the History of Kamigawa deck for the last two years as their favorite deck, I am probably gonna have to mix things up.

I put an order in for a bunch of monogreen walkers and Ugin. (Karn was too expensive and I did skip bad Nissa, but more or less all the rest). And my friend gifted me a Doubling Season for my birthday. Since all walkers cantrip with Reki out, I feel I should add some.

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/reki-09032017/

This is the current list. A lot of the bad cards are there for spiritcraft purposes, which I might have to get over and cut, but are there any other cuts you guys think would be good for more walkers+seasons? Honestly, any advice in general would be nice.

>>55212884
Just built Edgar Markov stax. Haven't had a chance to play it though.

>>55211260
>>55211178
I tried Boompile once and lost three coinflips in a row.

And wipes are important for keeping people in check.

>>55212927
Ha, that's awesome.

Any links on how to make your own tokens? Do you just glue them to a real card or something?

>>55213129
Every green deck that play vs. non-goodstuff decks should be running Song of the Dryads, Lignify, or both.

>>55210554
Must be nice still being in high school

>>55211964
Too spicy to handle

>>55213019
>not random

wat?

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>>55213129

>>55212912
>>55212927
My buddy used to use plastic squirrels for his squirrel kitchen table 60-card. Shame he quit playing.

Was going to get plastic hippos for Phelddagrif but I took that deck apart.

>>55213076
It's also extremely easy to tell if someone is trying to influence the roll while rolling. Each side has a 1/20 chance of appearing. Are you the autist from that story?

>>55212316
I had a guy flip out on me at a draft because I rolled casino dice. They have a mark on the 4 side to show that they're cancelled, but they're still more fair than any shitty plastic dice he used to roll.

>autists who don't know why spin downs are bad in tabletop RPGs screaming that other people are autists the thread

>>55213473
>autist that think one d20 has any significant odds difference from another d20 the thread

>>55213353
Heh, enjoy pretending that the real world is just like the digital world and dice are truly random. Try gambling irl with people by using spindown dice and see how random they are.
I don't cheat while using spindowns but it is stupid to roll them. They are designed to be a small thing that tracks life totals and they're good for that but normal d20s are different for a reason.
Do you think all the d20s prior to magic and all the d6s have their sides distributed in that way for no good reason?

>>55213498
Yeah nah m8 if you tried that at a grand prix you'd get kicked out.

It doesn't matter in a game of EDH but you're retarded for thinking there's zero difference.

>>55213516
Do you really think someone would go to the effort of cheating a die roll in a friendly game of EDH?

>>55213498
It literally does you tard. Statistically each individual result is the same, but the likely hood of a higher result in general is much less random.

>>55213195
That doesn't seem that bad... Unless I'm missing something

>>55213559
If you're with friends that you trust then use whatever you want but if there is any doubt then it is stupid to use a die that encourages cheating.

>>55213516
>probability, how does it work
They are made the same way as a normal d20, the numbers are just positioned differently.

Casinos use dice that "miced" and must fall in certain parameters. Do you do that to your dice? If not, they are just as likely to have any manufacturing defects.

If you're worried about cheating, it's extremely easy to stop. Roll in a cup, against a wall, or a certain distance. Thinking that odds are different from one to the other is retarded.

>>55213564
>but the likely hood of a higher result in general is much less random.
Please enlighten us.

>>55213577
You just lost two lands. Your next two draws are going to be lands.
An autist might argue you have been set back 4 turns. Green is also very capable of doing this to you turn 3

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>>55213577
It's reasonably good in a ramp deck. Didn't a Modern deck play this in the first 6 months of that format existing?

This is my favorite pet card of the "fuck that one guy even if this card isn't great" cards in edh. It's a 50 cent The Dark rare so you know it is bad but it fucks one player effectively.

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Post fun stuff for Inalla.

>>55213585
>do more shit than just roll a D20

Do you see why your argument is retarded.

>>55213585
>use a cup or wall to roll
Or just use literally any die other than a spindown you fucking cheating sack kf shit.

Will my friends actually hate me if I go all in stax?

>>55213648
No, because it's unnecessary. These are just options if you're that worried about cheating. That can be said with any die roll.

>>55213611
By virtue of having each number sequenced, if you're going to roll it, in general it's much more likely that you're going to hit a result within a certain range by virtue of proximity. A 1 and a 20 are on opposite sides, which means as you roll the dice, it needs to travel a greater distance to produce a variable result. While it's generally insignificant in a friendly game, no sane person would let you roll one in a competitive game because it's easier to generally influence the outcome. While you may not hit a 20 every roll, it's much easier to roll over 10, or over 15 than it would otherwise be on a real d20.

>Finally start playing commander within my friend group
>We're all fairly new playing with edited precons for the most part
>built a deck off the Meren precon
>play this nigga on table with 4 other players and recur him multiple times each turn
Holy shit we have been missing out not playing Commander. This format makes for some of the most fun, crazy magic I've played, especially being a mainly modern player. It's all the fun of the shitty jank combos I would shove in decks as a young kid mixed with the finesse and skill we have as seasoned players.
Sorry just wanted to rant about my newfound love for EDH.

>>55213648
one could argue your D20 doesn't meet specifications and also requires to rolled in a cup you mong

>>55213682
As stated before try using a spindown at a Grand Prix and see how far you get. If WotC agrees you're wrong simple as that.

You should secede to the point that while it doesn't matter in commander the dice is different.

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>>55213627

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>>55213697
forgot pic

>>55213619
As an added bonus you can tell that person "Boom headshot!" when it resolves.

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>>55213257

>>55213724
best common in a decade

>>55213791
Remember that Mirage Mirror is another doubling season.

>>55213697
>>55213724
Everybody loves Garry. He even saw Standard play for Christ's sake.

Also welcome to EDH. I recently started building myself, as well, after a couple years of watching people at my lgs go at it.
Got to play a R/G angry Omnath deck once and was like... wow, I fucked this up, but it was fun. It'd be nice to build my own.

Also welcome to the world of never buying duplicates again.

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>>55213792
>laughs in banlist

>>55213257
>http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/reki-09032017/
Unless I goofed, your list is private

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>>55210617
You can use this Art from another MTG card. The original card is so bad no one will remember it, ever.

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So I feel like Panharmonicon is pretty obviously synergistic with damn near everything in the format, but I encountered some pretty insane synergy with it in my Inalla deck.

I managed to get my hands on a copy, and when you resolve a wizard with an ETB bounce effect shit gets bananas.

The creature gets the ETB. The ETB gets copied. Inalla triggers twice instead of once. If you pay 2 mana you get 2 wizards instead of the 1 for 1. Each of those extra wizards bounces 2 targets on ETB. For 5 mana I resolve Aether Adept and I bounce 5 creatures my opponents control and the original Aether Adept.

With Sedraxis Alchemist and a blue permanent it bounces 5 nonland permanents and itself. With Venser he bounces 5 permanents (lands included) and himself.

Inalla already makes these creatures better versions of Capsize, but holy shit. For Aether Adept and Sedraxis Alchemist I still even get 4 extra power to swing with.

>>55213875
Truth. Top 3 commons of all time?

Lightning Bolt, Treasure Cruise, Gush

>>55213689
let's say all sides are blank except for the 20. The odds of rolling that 20 are the same no matter where on that die the 20 is. The addition of other numbers around the 20, no matter what those numbers are, does not affect that 20's odds of rolling. The same is true for every number. The same is true for every roll as every roll is independent of any other roll.

Three fact that there is a "high" side is offset because there is an equally likely chance of rolling the "low" side.

I work I table games and see voodoo thinking like yours every day.

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>>55213875
>Lets make a card that nobody will play because graveyard matters
>every deck in every format that has blue vomits cards into their graveyard because draw 3 for U
>well shit that didnt go as planned, who woul have thought people wanted a 10 cent ancestral recall in every deck
>ban it

>>55213705
Is there an actual rule written for that? If so it's extremely silly.

>>55213697
>>55213724
Enjoy the fun while it lasts, or pray your group doesn't arms race as hard as mine.
Literally all anyone in my meta plays in multiplayer is "Tutor/draw for combo pieces then win the game on turn 4-5", and doing so doesn't get you archenemied because everyone else is doing the same exact thing. It's like I'm playing legacy but with less strategy.

>>55214023
Anon, read my posts again, then enjoy your humble pie. I said it's statistically identical for every individual result but it's easier to influence it towards the high side than it is to influence a result on a real d20 because of random organization.

Your using fuzzy logic to justify cheating, but why are you cheating in a casual game where everyone should have dice? Why not roll 3d6 like a sane person, or a real d20? The answer is because your cheating.

>>55213890
Every fucking time. Fixed.

>>55213922
It is a Man o'War for 4, it is a 1/4 for 4 and it is a may, I believe. It is a human wizard and the flavor text talks about him being dangerous.

>>55214026
They've said they sometimes print cards that are fair in Standard and dangerous in Eternal because they know they can just ban them if things get bad. Treasure Cruise is now the poster child of that mentality, because they were aware it could easily get out of hand but still printed it because they wanted the card in Standard.

It's basically confirmation they don't care as much about older formats and don't design or develop with them in mind.

>>55214023
>I work table games
>sleight of hand doesn't exist
Does anyone use spindowns at your table games? Would you be fired if you allowed someone to do so?

>>55214082
No one is saying they are trying to game the die result. No one is arguing that a spindown can't be manipulated more easily, if one were so inclined to do so. If two honest people roll a spin-down there won't be a difference between that and using a d20.

>>55214082
And I pointed out that it's extremely easy to catch and prevent that, if that's what you're worried about. So then we agree that the odds of both a normal d20 and a spindown are the same and to be autistic about rolling one over the other is retarded?

>>55214026
This card and Dig Through Time are so goddamn broken that they seem to have broken Vintage, where they can't be banned and are still obscene as singletons. These two cards are the biggest mistake since Tolarian Academy. They're worse than the affinity cards and Skullclamp.

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>>55214082
You show a few of these signs, if dice rolling really means this much to you maybe start your own thread and not do it in the magic the gathering thread, ill use a smiley face so you understand im being friendly :^)

>>55214171
Now your in magical Christmas land where you know how everyone acts and thinks. If it's easy to cheat, even honest people will cheat because it doesn't require that much effort.

>>55214179
>this guy
I bet you play combo or storm or some other cheeky nonsense that needs the first turn. If they're the same, roll a normal d20 to prevent me bitching. If they're not the same, you're cheating. It's a small cheat, but your still cheating.

>>55214157
Really anon? What table game do you know of that uses a d20?

Read my posts, I'm not arguing that slight of hand doesn't exist.

>>55214213
I'm glad you think I'm a cheater because I'm pointing out the odds are the same. I love that completely retarded leap of logic. And no I actually don't play those types of decks.

>>55214213
>you know how everyone acts and thinks
funny cause that's the exact retarded stance that you're taking: you KNOW everyone is out there to cheat
>honest people will cheat
autism

Deporting everyone that is talking off topic, start your own damn thread and syop shitting this one up, enjoy your 3 days off

Also best commons? Gitaxian probe till the ban

>>55214244
>>55214261
Alright why are regular d20s random then? If it doesn't matter, why would they make them that way in the first place?

>>55213952
>>55214287

I'm partial to Dark Ritual, Counter Spell, and Island Brainstorm

>>55214312
Are basics commons? I thought they were some special rarity of their own because in recent memory they've been more common than commons.

>>55213307
xD only kids could possibly hate japanese cartoons, most of which are made for kids!

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I'm getting my college disbursement in roughly two and a half weeks, so naturally I'm looking to at least start a new deck, but I can't choose a commander. Normally I pilot my Sydri combo deck, but that's getting a bit stale. Open to any suggestion /tg/.

>>55214221
Then just use a fair die

>>55214352
Buy your books first you dip

>>55214396
Did that at the beginning of the semester. I'm set in that aspect.

>>55214352
make a cheap Daxos deck with a political theme and use the rest of the cash to buy your goddamn books

>>55214352
>getting a loan to buy a deck
Bad idea but less bad if you spend it on reserved list cards for your EDH decks.

>>55213890
>>55213257
Can ya'll at least tell me if the link works now if ya'll can't do feedback? Arguing about dice is fun and all, but you know.

>>55213871
>never buying duplicates again
Man do I wish this were true

>>55214352
Do something big and stompy like Xenagod.

>>55214345
In ABUR some were in uncommon and rare spots, it was really a gamble

Evolving wilds and terramorphic expanse, commons in every edh deck

>>55214426
I use my disbursement to pay my car insurance, and other major shit first. I usually only put 100 bucks into a deck to get it started then upgrade over time.

>>55214345
Yes, basic lands are basic lands. You always get one which could be one out of five possible choices, unless you get a foil. With a common, you get 10 that could be over 100 different cards in large sets and somewhere around 70 different cards in small sets.

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>dunking on greedy mana bases with Natural Balance and Ritual of Subdual

Red remains my favorite MTG color but man green is really making a strong case to take the throne

>>55214468
Why not both?

>>55214468
Those two don't really stop greedy mana bases since greedy mana bases are things like Grim Monolith, Gilded Lotus, etc.

I get what you mean, but the most degenerate mana in EDH isn't Cultivate.

>>55214432
>http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/reki-09032017/
Looks good.
Will give feedback in a bit

>>55214439
>In ABUR some were in uncommon and rare spots, it was really a gamble
Jesus

Remind me to never shell out for the p9 lottery.

>>55214528
green is still v. good at blowing up mana rocks

>>55212316
I had a fag argue this once. I told him if he could demonstrate that he could consistently roll a 20 then we wouldn't use it. He mumbled something about his friend being able to but not him and dropped the subject.

>>55214551
>not calling it "Get Reki'd"
Im disappoint

>>55212316
I avoid this argument by rolling 2 d6s before anyone else has a chance to grab a spindown.

If they do grab a spindown, I just roll their spindown and twinge on the inside without saying anything.

>>55214292
I actually don't understand your question. Spindowns have numbers in different locations to make it easier to mark your life. The fact that those numbers are in different locations does not affect the odds of any individual number rolling when rolling the die.

>>55214580
My tapped out is such a fucking mess right now that I try to keep the titles as dull as humanly possible so I don't get lost.

Once I get all my current decks up there and cleaned up, I'll try to give them "funny" names.

>>55214555
There had been alot of openings on youtube whete they get like island In The rare spot an sometimes half the uncommons were land in starters it was crazy but yeah people paying 3k-5k and getting basic lands instead of p9 is pretty funny

>>55214598
Check and mate atheists. The answer is because it's "more random" or it makes people feel like it's "more random" and in either case, it's a compelling argument. Either you use the random one to shut me up, or you use the random one because it's more random. Either way I run geist of st traft seamonster tribal for flavour purposes.

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>>55214468
Question for you EDH nerds- what's your favorite color combo(s)? Is it a runaway favorite, or just something you find yourself building with? Can you even pick a favorite?

I sure as fuck can't. When it comes to mono, I've built a larger volume of red decks, but I tend to prefer the feel of monowhite; once multiple colors get involved it all goes to hell. I often say Mardu's a guilty pleasure, but one of my favorite decks ever is Rashmi artifacts. There are definitely some combos that I just can't into that don't make any goddamn sense- I love Golgari, I love Gruul, and I love Rakdos, but I've never felt good about a Jund deck. Mairsil is the only reason I was able to Grixis. Jeskai is particularly difficult. I have favorites in 3+ colors, but 2 and 1 are too hard to pick.

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>>55214643
While we're answering questions, here's one that's a little less common.
>Favorite commander you've built
>Least favorite you've built, if applicable
>Commander you've always wanted to try, but never got around to building

>>55214643
>>55214726
If you're not building 5 color, you're doing it wrong.

>>55214572
It's not about consistently rolling a 20 though, it's about consistently rolling high if you try to game it. With a low amount of effort compared to sleight of hand with d6s, you can control getting high results by tossing the die in the correct way (more of a spin/roll than a toss) it takes maybe an hour of practice to do this if you would like to try, sleight of hand with d6s is possible as well but more difficult.

To avoid cheating roll in a dice cup or against the wall. You can use a deck box as a dice cup if you don't have anything handy. Alternatively go digital.

And yes, if I was playing a serious business game at a GP or something I would not be OK with a spin down. I would also ask for it in edh if the guy looked like a slime all, which is probably what happened to the autist in this thread.

>>55214643
I love Sultai, but none of the available commanders in that colour combination really appeal to me, especially since I'm on a budget and can't pull off a goodstuff deck. My favourite two decks that I actually play are Mardu (Alesha) and Simic (Ezuri).

>>55214726
1. Sydri or Meren
2. Dax-Ghost (worst out of c15 commanders)
3. Always wanted to try Azami, but her reputation for degenerate solitaire-esque gameplay makes me hesitant.

>>55214763
5 colors is thematically fucked and just uses every staple possible.

>>55210516
I got a case of DS Jet Mattes for some boardgames but ended up only using 4/10 so now I have 600 spare sleeves and decided to sleeve all my Bx decks in these so I don't have to swap cards anymore.

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/500-4/
I can build:
>Mogis Creatureless Control
>Teysa Reanimator Combo
>Tymna/Kondo Swarm
>Reyhan/Bruse Aggro
>Razaketh Combo/Control
>Edgar Vampire Tribal
>Ghoulcaller Gisa Zombir Tribal
>Obzedat Aristocrats
>1v1 Queen Marchesa Creatureless Control
>1v1 Karlov Tempo
>1v1 Edgar Swarm Aggro
>1v1 Kalitas MBC
I have 110 spots left, don't want any blue or any mono-color that's not black because I already have Talrand, Edric, Scarab God, Ezuri, Krenko, Thalia and Titania decks.
Any recs?

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I want to play a control/combo commander, preferably one that draws lots of cards and does a lot of spellslinging

I'm thinking Rashmi, Sygg or SulTaigam, any recs?

>>55214935
Rashmi probably fits the bill most.

>>55213257
Masumaro
I know you said most are there for spirit stuff, but he seems like the weakest of the bunch.

Oviya
Also pretty weak, to my experience.

Wildest Dreams
It's always felt way too expensive for my tastes.

Aside that, seems all right, but uhh... I'm not the best person to ask about mono-colored EDH.

>>55214935
D R A L N U

>>55210516
Nobody should play it unless they want thier one win, and then lose the rest.

Start with it for the night and get your win, then change decks. Because you'll get smashed if you play it again.

>>55214726
1. Ashling the Extinguisher. Using her as the commander in a black goodstuff deck was the best decision I made.
2. Oloro. I didn't use the precon but it was still just boring. Glad I took it apart.
3. Horde of Notions. I have a 5 colour legacy elementals so I've been keen to make an EDH deck but it just means I would have to buy more elementals and I'm not sure if I want to do that.

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Welp, looks like I'm finally building that Pirate deck.

Anyone who bought the Cat Deck: is Jazal Goldmane in foil?

>>55215159
No. Only Arahbo, Mirri, and Nazahn.

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>>55215019
What's funny is I just cut Restock, which is 100% of the time WORSE than Wildest Dreams. Oviya is just for a 1 mana creature that cantrips off Reki, Primordial, Zendikar Resurgent. Not a lot of CMC 1 legends. She might get the axe though.

Yeah, I'll probably cut Masumaro at some point. If I'm willing to cut a lot of spirits, I could clean up the deck a lot. I've been thinking of adding Haru Onna though. Maybe Haru for Masumaro would be good? Sure, she doesn't cantrip off Reki, but she just cantrips in general.

Monocolored is kind of an odd beast. I used to hate it and think they all played the same generic goodstuff, but Reki proved me wrong by not being the same shit and still playing okay.

>>55215140
Make me proud.

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>guy wastes a Perilous Vault on a field of mana dorks for fear of it getting hit by Song of the Dryads

>>55215140
>>55215266
The fact that many of the old pirates have flying for some ridiculous reason makes this dude even more amazing.

>>55214352
You are the reason college students aren't taken seriously in america

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>>55215286
>dude
I got bad news bro, its granny season

>>55215338
*Dudette

>>55215338
I had previously thought that she was an old lady who had small children (her own or grandkids) pirates around her.
Greatly disappointed to find out it's just some normal jackoffs in the background on ropes.

What's a deck that can start playing fast without necessarily being a cEDH fast combo deck? I want to be able to start doing things on turn 2 at the latest, but I don't want to paint a "hate me out every game" or "kill the small group we have that plays EDH again" sign on my head.

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>>55215428
Best Doggo

>>55215458
What do you do in that deck? Drop dog, voltron with equips, beat face?

>>55215470
no, lick face

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>>55214726
>Favorite commander you've built?
Probably Marath. I'm a sucker for token swarms, and Marath can spawn em like few others can.
>Least favorite commander you've built?
Probably Iroas. I love Iroas, but that deck was just boring as hell.
>Commander you've always wanted to try, but never got around to building?
Way too fucking many really. Titania, Uyo, Sliver [legendary], Atarka, Bruse Tarl + Kydele or Thrasios, Leovold elfball, the list goes on and on.

>playing nekusar with people I play with regularly
>they draw all the cards
>we all drawing so much we will surely combo off soon
>kill everyone with commander wheelies
>omg anon your deck is so unfair
>every game the same
They know what the outcome will be and they know they can stop it but muh free card advantage kills them every time

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>build Trostani Wurm Ramp today
>it's fun as fuck and my life total is HUGE

>>55215401
Might still be her kids, like those skypirates from Castle in the Sky whose mama was also their captain, and the only competent one of the bunch.

>>55214641
Heh, made me laugh. I approve.

>>55215739
list pls

>>55215849
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/03-09-17-wurms/

>>55214726
>Favorite commander you've built
Mizzix, Buyback "tribal". Only deck I kept after I pretty much quit the game.
>Least favorite you've built, if applicable
Tomorrow, Azami's Familiar. Love blue, love the artwork, but I never really cast the commander.
>Commander you've always wanted to try, but never got around to building
Athreos, the deck's just too expensive to justify for this game

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>>55215713
>They know what the outcome will be and they know they can stop it but muh free card advantage kills them every time

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>>55215861
>no Autochthon Wurm

>>55215959
>no little dudes to convoke him
>not even very big
>only takes a day to walk
Sad wurm.

>>55214779
All your poor points have already been addressed.

In the original story, the guy arguing for the odds being the same wasn't even the one rolling the spindown, he was just pointing out the idiocy of the autist screeming about it not being fair, so that blows your theory to shit.

Your insane mental acrobatics of, "rolling a spindown, must be a cheater!" tells a lot about you.

>>55215968
you can literally play him for G and tapping that elf, what the fuck are you talking about

>>55215983
I guess, but the deck is never getting me Elvish Piper, and that's just about the only way I can reasonably get him out.

>>55215310
Cram it unifag noone cares

>>55214779
By all means, please prove to us how easy it is. Post a YouTube video of you consistently getting high numbers without it being fucking obvious that you're cheating.

I'm the anon who works in table games, and you remind me of when every other one of my dealers who deals roulette swears they can control which general area of the wheel the ball will land in. When asked to demonstrate, of course none of them actually could. Or all the players who think they can set the dice in craps and influence the rolls, yet they all still lose money.

>>55215996
I'm glad you're loving your first EDH deck anon. Hope our advice helped.

>>55215975
Are you sure your responding to the right post?

Also are you saying you would trust opponents to roll spindowns at gps? Do you believe that no one cheats? If the problem is easily fixed by rolling the die in your satin tower or what have you, why is it a big deal to you to not fix it?

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>>55213724
tfw I thought this was a rare for the longest time

>>55216500
If they knew what it would do to Standard it would have been Mythic.

>>55214076
Every group eventually does that. It just varies on how long it takes. There is a very fun sweet spot in the middle of the 'jank noob deck' phase and the 'everyone tutors for their combo phase' where the decks are creative and interactive. Then it all just goes to shit for some reason. I've been in 3 different playgroups over the years, and they all go down the same path.

What's a deck that will make creature-intensive decks absolutely miserable? I love my playgroup but I hate their decks, and I want them to learn that turning a bunch of creatures sideways isn't the only way to win

>>55216261
>without it being fucking obvious that you're cheating.

Anon, if you work at a casino and are any good at your job shouldn't it be obvious to you that I'm cheating even if I am good at it?

What if you can tell but the other two people at the table can't and they think it's just you being petty about losing a die roll to the "cheater"

Why not just solve the whole thing by rolling in a dice cup, against a wall, or in your deck box? I don't see why you are so adamantly against the idea, and at this point the zeal you have for defending this looks silly.

I mean, if you believe no one will cheat ever then it doesn't matter, but it's kind of a naive opinion to have, especially with some pubs.

>>55212794

No... It cant be... These strikes are too accurate for sand warriors...

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>>55211851
I want a token for this one some day.

>>55216631
Angus Mackenzie Turbofog.
Oloro/Derevi/GAAIV Pillowfort.
Kambal the Taxman.
Yasova Dragonclaw "What's Yours is Mine."

>>55216477
Yes I was responding to the right post.

I am saying that all the numbers on either type of die have the same odds of being rolled in a fair roll. I'm also saying that bad rolls are easy to spot and call out. It's also easy to stop the threat of cheating on any die with very simple unobtrusive techniques if you're that suspicious.

I personally don't use spindowns to roll. Any that I get usually get put in a box and forgotten. I do however understand that there is no odds difference between them.

>>55216636
>Why not just solve the whole thing by rolling in a dice cup, against a wall, or in your deck box? I don't see why you are so adamantly against the idea,

I'm not against the idea and have no idea why you would think I was. I've suggested that several times for anyone who is paranoid about cheating for any roll.

You seem to be making wide assumptions that aren't true.

>>55216767
>I am saying that all the numbers on either type of die have the same odds of being rolled in a fair roll

Good thing I wasn't talking about fair rolls then?

>I'm also saying that bad rolls are easy to spot and call out
But can you PROVE it? Since you can't really prove that they did cheat instead of rolling their dice lazily or whatever, there is nothing stopping them from trying this as often as they like, especially if you are the only one trying to call them out.

>It's also easy to stop the threat of cheating on any die with very simple unobtrusive techniques if you're that suspicious

Like the ones I mentioned? Namely using a dice cup/wall?

It feels more and more like you didn't read my posts or are confusing me with someone else.

>>55216955
>It feels more and more like you didn't read my posts or are confusing me with someone else.
I was getting the same impression with you.

>>55211851
Just buy Pharika's Chosen from JOU. Or sharpy angry eyebrows on regular tokens.

>>55216813
Why did you respond to my posts then? Did you just misread them?

My argument has been that it's easier to cheat by using slight of hand with a spindown than it is with a normal d20, but you can solve all of those problems with a dice cup/ wall/ going digital.

>>55217036
Why did you respond to mine? I've stated my argument several times.

>>55217069
>I had a fag argue this once. I told him if he could demonstrate that he could consistently roll a 20 then we wouldn't use it. He mumbled something about his friend being able to but not him and dropped the subject.

It sure sounds an awful lot like you are implying you cannot influence the result of a spindown there. That's the post I responded to, and I haven't spoken before that in this thread.

I think you fucked up anon

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>>55214643
Orzhov is the one for me

>>55215140
Is that a boy or a girl? I'm not misogynistic or anything, but I will be disappointed if none of the pirate legendaries are guys.

>>55217183

She's a Grandma, and they are all all female so far.

>>55217135
That also wasn't me, but he had a point. I think people tend to overestimate their ability to influence the die.

I was mostly responding to
>I would also ask for it in edh if the guy looked like a slime all, which is probably what happened to the autist in this thread.
The implication that someone using a spindown must be a cheating slime ball is something that another anon suggested which is both ridiculous and not even what happened in the original story that started this discussion.

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>>55217183
Wotc new directive from hasbro, only female leads from now on, in fact Dominara Jace is binary demi-gendered

>>55217189
At least she's old and wise and not some chandra-esque wise cracker. I hope.

>>55217251
I hope shes soft huggy grandma and bakes pies and knits peglegs

>>55217025
That's a good idea, anon, but it's just not the same. I'd be living a lie.

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/avacyn-is-best-angel/

Looking forward to buying the cards for this, but I am worried that I don't have enough tutors. At one point it had tamiyo's journal. Should I put it back?

This isn't some high level competitive deck, it's mostly a break from combo-control, but I still want it to function.

Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.

>>55217201
>The implication that someone using a spindown must be a cheating slime ball

Except that's not close to what I said. I said that if someone looked like a slime all then I wouldn't want them to roll a spindown, not that at all people that roll spindown look like slimeballs.

>>55217321
Plus the art is ass.

It looks like a hovering vagina is coming at you.

>>55217283
>not having pirate granny knit you socks for your one remaining foot while telling you stories about how she got left for dead on the open sea only to swear bloody revenge on the traitorous dog that left her there.

Why even live

>>55217375
It made you sound like another anon who was spilling his spaghetti all over the thread. I apologize that i mistook you for them.

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>>55217247
But Anon.. how will I satisfy my fetish for knife-ears while playing Magic?

>>55216631
Mogis. Kill all their creatures and then call out "You could sacrifice a creature to spare you two damage, if you had any!".

>>55214726
I only have one commander right now: Teysa. I love her.

Edgar is in the making, after that I'll start building Patron of the Moon.

really want to build horobi and shirei too.

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>>55216631

>>55217495
Every time I ever played against Mogis, he was completely underwhelming.

>>55216685
>Not printing out card sized edgy 90s Todd McFarlane artwork for the tokens

>>55217530
Because losers always try to build him as minotaur tribal or damage doubling do nothing instead of abusing things like Aether Flash, Blood Moon, Necrogen Mists, Night of Souls' Betrayal, Bloodchief Ascension, Polluted Bonds, Torpor Orb, Damping Matrix, Citadel of Pain, Price of Glory, Stranglehold, Tainted Aether and all the removal you can pack.

>>55217706

so then you're just hoping to kill people really slow with mogis damage? wont somebody just draw cyc rift eventually and then youll be sad?

>>55214726
>uncle karl
>oloros, boring as fuck and everyone hates you
>animar

>>55214726
>Xenagos, God of Revels
>Derevi, but that was the point.
>Sidsi probably

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Put together this theoretical list for the pirate lady deck I want to build when Ixalan comes out. Some of this could change depending on what other new pirates are revealed between now and the set's release, but I think this gives me a pretty good idea.

The main wincon comes through exploiting Beckett's second effect in different ways to continually keep the opponent's board presence low, while also gaining additional effects from my pirates doing damage:

- Through fliers with Archetype of Imagination and a bunch of the classic pirates with flying,
- Through unblockables with enchantments/artifacts, and Herald of Secret Streams + a number of spells that give +1/+1 counters
- Flicker cards that exploit multiple pirates with ETB effects
- Revel in Riches for a possible late game alt wincon
- Conspiracy to make the few non pirates and non changelings into pirates, just for extra effect
- A decent amount of card draw and other thievery effects aside from Beckett's

Any suggestions for anything to change or remove? Do I have too many mana rocks? I've been wanting to do a pirate tribal deck for awhile and Beckett has me pretty excited to put this together once the new set comes out.

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/04-09-17-pirates-edh/

>>55218074
Having problems with your link, might be set to private?

>>55218092
Shit you're right it was. Give it a shot now.

>>55218137
Works now, I would run Powder Keg for flavor, and maybe Throne of Geth if you keep the counters subtheme since it can sac your treasures.

>>55218074
Thassa seems as though it would perform well and is thematically close enough to pirates imo, also Piracy is largely useless since mana burn was removed, as your opponents can simply tap down all their lands in response.

>>55213577
If I open perfectly in Azusa I'm casting that thing turn 3 and basically shunting you out of the game while the rest of the table continues without you.

Best black/green commanders? was thinking gitrog or hapatra

>>55218172
Good call on Throne of Geth, that could be great. Powder Keg would definitely be an awesome flavor win, but I'm not sure what I'd replace to get it in there.

>>55218206
I know Piracy is worthless but it's just so hard to have a pirate deck without including that card lol. But you're right, and Thassa is a great suggestion too. Switched them for each other.

>>55218276
Its far and away Gitrog in terms of pure ability to win, but Meren and Jarad are also good. Ultimately there are ways to make almost any commander deck fairly good outside of competitive playgroups so just choose someone you like.

>>55218286
I know man, Piracy breaks my heart. Personally, I will be running Deadeye Navigator in my list because of its etb synergies and it shares a name with one of the pirate factions, if that isnt too much of a stretch for you.

>>55218305
>Deadeye Navigator
Good suggestion, I'll definitely grab that one too.

Is 11 mana rocks too many? I can never decide if I'm going to far with them and then I always end up feeling like I either have too many or too few when I adjust one way or the other.

>>55218345
I think we are gonna have to see how many more treasure generating pirates we get to really answer that. A lot of rocks is not a terrible idea but some of them like powerstone are not all that great.

>>55215401
There's literally one more grandma in the picture swinging on a rope.

>>55215428
Sram equips, play sticks, draw cards, hit people.

>>55217342
Please respond

>>55216631
Zurgo 40 lands 60 board wipes
Permanents begone

>>55218074
>no Ramirez DePietro
Fucking dropped.

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But what colour sleeves should I get?

>>55219203
Yellow or beige

>>55219203
Open it and check to see if the rares are misprints

>>55219203
Gold.
I mean, that's a Dragon deck

>>55219219
>>55219253
Yeah, gold seems like a good colour for it

>>55219225
Any specific rares I should check?

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>>55219203
>birthday was around releaseday
>wanted dargondeck
>wife gave the cat deck
>best friend gave nyan cat sleeves
>mfw my closest ones trolled me

>>55214726

Angry Omnath. Incredibly fun, honestly. Just put lots of lands in play

Mayael. Dismantled it just to build said omnath. Performed like shit desu

Sharuum. I want an artifact-based deck and she seems more interesting than daretti

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>his green deck has green sleeves
>his white deck has white sleeves
>his black deck has black sleeves
>his red deck has red sleeves
>his blue deck has blue sleeves

>>55219379
I use Knight sleeves for my Knight deck, do you use izzet sleeves for a golgari deck?

>>55219379
>his ur deck has purple sleeves
>his bw deck has grey sleeves
>his gr deck has brown sleeves
>his wr deck has orange sleeves

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>>55214895

do it

Is the best strat for Vela just shitting out tokens and bouncing those or using ninjas? Or a mix of the two?

>>55219410

>orange
>not pink

>>55219430
>Iwamori of the open fist
>it's closed

>>55219586
That's the way karate punches are thrown

Question for Vela- if I have Inalla + Panharm + flameshadow out on the field and play Vela + 2RR, does it work like RoR does where I'd get one tick where all 5 Velas see 4 velas leave for effect proc, or would it work as 4 seperate instances of "2 velas see 1 vela leave" because the copies are all made on separate triggers

>>55215140
I heard that the art was based on the artist's own mother, and that he did it that way to celebrate her beating cancer.

Makes me smile.

>>55219628
No because the tokens do not all enter at the same time. With Panharmonicon + Flameshadow +Inalla and casting Vela this is what happens

Vela etb, triggers both Inalla and Flameshadow twice

Pay up to 2RR to make 4 copies

Each copy trigger resolves discretely and puts a token into play. When the first token comes into play you either sacrifice the token or the original.

Sac the token and your opponents lose 2 life because you controlled 2 Velas when it left the battlefield.

Then you repeat this and each opponent loses 6 more life for a total of 8 life lost. 1 creature leaves the battlefield x 2 Vela triggers x 4 times.

>>55219612
Well, yeah, because if it was open, it would either be a chop or a slap.

>>55219709
I'd figured that was the case as separate triggers but was worth a check in case I was wrong.

>>55219702
I would prefer his mother died of cancer if it would make him draw a better art.

So my W/G Selvala deck has Hallowed Burial, Terminus, Tragic Arrogance and Austere Command. Should I add a plain Wrath or is that generally enough wipes?

>>55219777
>hating on Pirate Grandma art

Whilst I agree that the abundance of female legends in the Pirate camp is a worrying sign of WotC's politically correct policies, looking at this card in isolation I find it hard to hate the art.

>>55219702
That's sweet
>>55219777
That's edgy

>>55214352
First off torrent books you dumb fuck
Second Mina and Denn Timmy shit. Build for fun not cEDH

>>55219832
This

>>55219825
Add the wrath. You will need it.

>>55219875
Forgot I also have a sunny Elspeth. I think she kinda counts as boardwipe, too. Still add the Wrath?

>>55219832
I am not playing a fantasy game to look at grannies.

>>55219844
That is a clear situation where is he is mixing his personal life with business. Stop with this hypocrisy, we are not in reddit or facebook, no one actually gives a fuck about a random guy's mother. Without to mention that it can be just a huge can of bullshit to stop people from shitting on the art.

>>55219940
Dude relax it's just art on a card.

>>55219965
>>55219965
>>55219965

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