Infinity General - Person of the Year Edition

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>>55209559
>messing the OP
Classy.

>>55209608
...unless Al Fasid is actually...

OF COURSE

>>55209608
If the other thread 404ed, its fair game.

2ed for Yu Jing, and their glorious future.

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First for immoderate sexual fetishism.

>>55209819
It was more of a quip to missing to alter the first sentence to fit your pic. Classic blunder.

>>55209813

Well we all know the Old Man in the Mountain is an enlightened AI.

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>>55209871
Yeah no, I missed the point of your comment while rushing the 2ed post. Which I botched. Fuck.
>>55209813
FUCK.

On another note, anyone wish they would remake the Hakamari model? The poofy pants are killing me. I love their concept and would totally run a JSA army with a domaru/Hakamari core pain train. It'd be beautiful. If only I liked these guys more. I think it might only bother me because I love the Domaru models so much.

Reminder: Ariadnans are not to be trusted and are Combine collaborators.

>>55210141

We all know that Pan O is working with Combined Army.

>>55209952
Poofy pants are a miracle of the universe.

>>55210224
t. Alien roubles counting cossack scum

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Alright, after not playing since right before HSN3 release I decided to bite the bullet and get back in the USARF saddle.

In addition to pic related, I have two army boxes, a spare foxtrot, grunt swc box, two desperadoes, van zant and the smg airborne.

How do I be tacticool and git gud with team yankee

>>55210555
Marauder haris + Minuteman link? Remember to try armswapping the marauder and grunts from the starter, been wanting to try that.

>>55210631
That's what I'm thinking although I'm at 10? Grunts now, so any grunt link combo is pretty viable too

I didn't end up arm swapping my second army box but I did repose the second minutemen and female grunt to a somewhat less redundant pose

>>55210224
PanOceania
>put the strongest front against the invasion
>LANDS troops on an enemy warship, taking it
>is collaborating with the enemy

Shitriadna
>complains about being bullied, bullies so called allies (Nomads)
>conducts unethical experiments on its citizens
>turned on fellow human forces when the Combined showed up
>NOT the alien collaborators

really fires up your sensors

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>>55211037
>flesh and blood
>in charge of not being Shasvasti infiltrators or sepistorized puppets
>laughing_ALEPH_sluts.jpg

For real though, sort yourselves out.

>>55211037

>implying said pan0 troops are not already secretly Septorised after the CA took over their station and poured Septisor nanites into the ventilation system
>one second of exposure is all it takes

>>55211667
you must know it from experience, Kazak-kun with all that assistance your provided for the CA.

>>55211037
New to the game what sort of experiments?

I don't know which faction to pick. I'm stuck between Nomads, Haqq, and ALEPH. Any ideas?

>>55211861
antipodes (feral alien dog humanoids) can transfer their material to pregnant humans, leading to dogfaces and dogwarriors

lets just say that its not a coincidence that Ariadna has access to a good few of them

>>55212601
Well, what do you want to do?

Do you want shotguns and doctors and assassins with impersonation skills? Go Haqq.

Do you want denial and lots of hacking paired with weird units that do weird things? Go Nomad.

Do you want to be the toughest and best at everything, with versatility, hi-tech tools and power, but pay for it in points? Go ALEPH.

There's not right answer except ALEPH, ALEPH is the right answer.

>>55212761

Thoughts on Tohaa and CA?

>>55213652
>Combined army
Badass aliens
>Tohaa
Vegan aliens

>>55213968
thisssssss

>>55213968
Dark Chaksa when. Tohaa don't deserve those hunks, they belong with superior Sygmaa.

>>55209952
The poofy pants are deliberate, though. They're like hakama.

>>55209952
Pants are fine, but they're too fucking small and suffer from scale creep pretty bad

>>55213652
Tohaa is the master race.

Let's say my list has an obvious Lt, maybe an Interventor. When going against haq or JSA expecting an infiltrator or something like an oniwaban, how to deploy? If I don't get first turn am I basically fucked?

>>55215751
Back to the wall and with a Jaguar or other DTW troop nearby. Or mines.

Does the primary target of an impact template, in partial cover in relation to the shooter, get a cover bonus to ARM rolls?

>>55216217
No.

>>55215751
For Ninjas I just mine the shit out of my DZ and have a bunch of people who can discover it. Direct templates like flamers work decently as well once the fellow is discovered. I've never found the ones who go hunting to be as dangerous as the ones who sit in hidden deployment for half the game just to come out of nowhere and stab the shit out of a rambo or make an important hacker's head explode.

Impersonators, on the other hand, are evil little shits made for hunting. The only real counter is to deploy well and distract it with chaff and decoys. Put the Interventor's back to the wall and have some bodyguards nearby. Discovering isn't reliable, the best thing to do is to make the fucker go away and murder somebody else by making an attack on the LT incredibly risky. A Lunokhod seems like it'd be decent for that, but I'm not sure.

>>55213968
>Artichokes
>Vegan
Fucking cannibals.

>>55216397
Tohaas sustain themselves with some kind of sludge they lug around.

>>55209823
>>55209823
wait, she is white? I though she is dark choco colored like a brasilian. Going to have to strip paint my.

I'm not impressed that CB pretty much straight copied the Unidron description for the Ikadron, slapped a couple extra bits on the end, and totally forgot to actually describe what it does.

>>55218051
You can paint her however you like, Kenny Ruiz isn't going to come to your house and punch you.

>>55218189
>I'm not impressed that CB pretty much straight copied the Unidron description for the Ikadron
You do realize the Ikadron came out way earlier?

>>55218248
No, because I am N3-babby.

>>55218051
Infinity's characters can be inconsistent as fuck in their skin tone sometimes. Like Bipandra, she's a dark skinned desi chick but you wouldn't know that looking at some of the art.

You're probably on the right track with hispanic medium brown. She's a Nomad though, so there's also a distinct possibility she's a mix of some kind.

>>55218189
Ikadron has plenty of info. They're repurposed worker bots who act as mobile reserve (and presumably a supply chain as well with baggage) for client races, but also keep them under control and stop potential infighting.
Unidrons came after and actually got less info. They're general purpose infantry so they don't really need that much, but it's still a little disappointing.

The real victims here are the other two Batroid types. Xeodrons get a fancy creed and Overdron get an excerpt from some asshole's college paper, neither of which explain shit about anything. I still don't know why Overdrons need albedo.

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>>55212601

JOIN HAQQ

GET BEST MODEL IN GAME

THE SEARCH FOR KNOWLEDGE DEMANDS IT

>>55213652

Combined Army gets Morat Diplomats.

They are the objectively most fun unit in the game.

>>55215751

Put the Lt a deeper inside your deployment zone

>>55217190

SLUDGE GREEN IS MADE OF TOHAAA! IT'S MADE OF TOHAA!

>>55218496

I'm still salty we don't get them in Onyx. It would make lots of sense too... they are diplomats/ambassadors, Onyx is a "first contact force."

>>55218529
NOTHING TO SEE HERE, WE JUST TAKE THIS DAMAGED INDIVIDUAL TO CARE!

>>55218547
I guess Onyx have to be able to smoother form of contacts too, not "peace through murder".

Which is the coolest knight order and why?

>>55218547

I imagine Onyx might have some of the actual diplomatic wing of the Morat Diplomatic Corp.

>>55218575

Considering the Umbra are in that sectorial that's not accurate. Those guys make Morats look like Gandhi.

>>55218467
Hey, that Xeodron creed is important, it confirms the EI is female.

>>55218592

Rasyats *are* the diplomatic wing. The fact that they have all the charm of Silky Johnson is by design.

>>55218594
The Umbra are actually capable of asking "Do you want to be exterminated Y/N?" without punching you in the face the whole time.

>>55218606

I thought Rasyats are the military wing to be a PR group for the Diplomatic Corp so old grumpy gorillas don't try to start shit with an Avatar.

I'm pretty sure their lore doesn't go into specifics but that's my head canon.

>>55218645

Their lore goes into a bit of it. Basically, the Morats used to not bother with "making contact" with alien races and just showed up and kicked their ass at first contact. The EI told them to cut it out, as it wants more races under its umbrella, and to establish a diplomatic corps. The Morats "complied," but specifically recruited their most irrationally aggressive and uncouth members to form this "diplomatic corps" to ensure that first contact situations always devolve into armed conflict.

Basically, they show up on your planet and call you a cracker. When you throw a punch, they call the MAF.

>>55218622

The deal is, though, that the Umbra, hearing "No I don't want to be exterminated" would probably try to. They like killing people slowly. If they came upon an alien race that wanted to be exterminated, somehow, they'd never do it. They're basically Yugoloths - evil for the sake of evil. They live to cause suffering. They are capable of exceedingly complex long-term plans.... for the sake of causing more suffering. We don't know exactly how tight a leash the EI has got them on, though; probably tighter than the Morats, because they'd have to. Morats on a loose leash just start wars; Umbra on a loose leash might try to destroy the galaxy and all life in it or some shit.

>>55218488
But that's not the LGL Hunzakut.

>>55218707
https://human-sphere.com/index.php?title=Rasyat

>With the creation of a diplomatic division, it was perceived the Supremacy was softening, becoming a bunch of crying cubs like the races which it had conquered, its prestige tarnished. To avoid this, the Rasyatnat Diplomatic Division was created as a new regiment of the Morat Aggression Force....Since the creation of the Diplomatic Division...

I like to imagine that EI is heavy handed enough to make sure that Morats have actual diplomats and that EI kicked their ass enough that the majority want to appease EI despite old fogeys.

I read the lore as:

>They created a diplomatic division of their empire
>old fogeys bitch
>they create a diplomatic division of the Morat Aggression Force
>Both actual diplomats and Rasyat are referred to diplomats so old fogeys watch the war movies and think "well, maybe diplomats don't make us limp-dicked Shasvastii"

>>55218794

That's an incorrect assessment. There is no Morat Diplomatic Division beyond the Rasyats.

>>55218780

Well Ahl Fassed actually showed up to the thread so I guess he wins by default.

>>55218575
>Morat flanking and heavy assault regiments
>some of the most heavily armed and combat-focused Shasvastii, with no Shrouded for actual nonviolent scouting
>literal death robots
>the edgiest creatures in the galaxy
>once-decent farmer dudes, horribly corrupted by the edgiest creatures in the galaxy
>Sygmaa with their hyper-aggressive strike troops and merciless ISS-tier murder police, probably the least egregious example
Yeah I'm not too sure about that desu.

Onyx was pretty obviously built for gameplay first and fluff second. It's a dumping ground for Sygmaa, Batroids and Umbra (and possibly Exrah in future) with a few specific Shas and Morat troops.

>>55218645
When old grumpy gorillas try to start shit with an Avatar it just shoots them, or orders other grumpy gorillas to shoot them. Morats take the collective honour thing very seriously and pissing off the big boss is shameful, so that tends to keep them in line most of the time.

That said, High Command probably still keeps note of which Rasyats are actually capable of negotiation and which aren't. It's something you need sometimes when the EI demands you talk to an alien without stabbing it.

>>55218707
I'm gonna be honest. I used to hate Umbra, but I've grown to like them. They're just such unapologetic mustache-twirlingly evil assholes. I'm sure somewhere deep down in its robo-soul the EI knows that resurrecting them was the worst idea anyone has ever had, but it's too proud to admit it.

>>55218806

>There is no Morat Diplomatic Division beyond the Rasyats.

Where are you getting this?

>>55218816
From the same place your fluff is from. The "Diplomatic Division" the fluff is talking about *is* the Rasyat regiment. To avoid diplomats being seen as soft, they made them Rasyats. They don't say "They had diplomats but they were getting soft." They say they were trying to avoid this, and to do so they made their diplomats Rasyats.

>>55218815

Umbra are honestly dangerous enough that they'd try to find some way for the EI to feel pain if they could. Like, I dunno, find a way to bring Nemesis back.

>>55218859

See, you are ignoring my statement.

"With the creation of a diplomatic division, it was perceived..."

This can be read as

"They created a diplomatic division, and it was perceived the Supremacy was softening"

Note, that they don't say "With talk of a making a diplomatic division" or "during discussions of forming this new diplomatic division." It's easy to interpret this as the non-Rasyatnat diplomatic division has already been made

Then you read

"To avoid this, the Rasyatnat Diplomatic Division was created..."

In this way, the lore can be seen as
>Morats construct a diplomatic division of the Supremacy
>fogeys whine
>Morats make Rasyat

>>55218911

The issue is that there is only ever one diplomatic division talked about - and it's the Rasyats. They don't talk about the "diplomatic divisions." There is only one, and it is Rasyats.

Yes, I understand the tenses are confusing; it was translated poorly from Spanish.

>>55218927
To be fair it could be either. The RPG should clear things up when the CA book arrives in late 2045.

>>55218927
>it was translated poorly from Spanish.
That's something I've noticed: The quality of translation/English editing in HSN3 is distinctly lower than in N3 core. If it keeps up like this we should be hitting FFG Anima tier in a couple books.

>>55218952
Do you think the Sygmaa will be in the CA book or the Tohaa book? On the one hand, they're part of the CA, but on the other, they make much more sense when you have the regular Tohaa to contrast them with. And it's more efficient to not have to type out the special Tohaa lifepath/abilities again by having the Sygmaa in another book.

>>55218980
>Do you think the Sygmaa will be in the CA book or the Tohaa book?
Tohaa. Says so on the kickstarter page.

>>55219046
Oh. Duh.

>CA book only gives you Morat and Shas
Disappointing, now how will I be Edge Lord, Lord of Edges?

>>55219075
>wanting to play That guy -incarnate

I have build a Nomad list. It seems okay-ish? Did I make any glaring mistakes?

I tried to build a specialist heavy list with Repeaters and Intruder+Smoke and Kriza Borac each covering major lanes, with the Kriza being an active turn killer. I originally wanted a Sin-Eater instead of the TR Drone but it is really hard on the SWC/Points.

GROUP 1
ZERO Hacker (Killer Hacking Device) Combi Rifle, Antipersonnel Mines / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 21)
SPEKTR (Forward Observer) Combi Rifle, Antipersonnel Mines / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 32)
TOMCAT Doctor (MediKit) Combi Rifle + Light Flamethrower / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 22)
MORAN (Forward Observer) Combi Rifle, CrazyKoalas (2) / Pistol, Knife. (0.5 | 22)
REVEREND CUSTODIER Hacker (Hacking Device Plus) Lieutenant Combi Rifle + Pitcher / Pistol, Knife. (0.5 | 34)
ZERO (Minelayer) Combi Rifle, Antipersonnel Mines / Pistol, Knife. (0.5 | 19)
INTRUDER (X-Visor) MULTI Sniper Rifle / Pistol, CCW. (1.5 | 43)
KRIZA BORAC HMG / Heavy Pistol, CC Weapon. (2 | 54])
REAKTION ZOND HMG / Electric Pulse. (1 | 26)
SALYUT (Minesweeper, Repeater) Electric Pulse. (0 | 8)

GROUP 2
JAGUAR Chain Rifle, Smoke Grenades / Pistol, DA CCW. (0 | 10)
MORLOCK Chain Rifle, Smoke Grenades / Assault Pistol, AP CCW. (0 | 8)

6 SWC | 299 Points

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>>55219075
It will probably come with rules for the other CA races maybe even Exrah but they'll likely be less expansive than the Morat/Shas ones. The apes and frogs have always been the main event.

>>55219183
I'd switch the Jag and TR bot. You're a lot more likely to need orders for a smoke machine than for an ARO turret. If the Kriza dies and you want to use the bot offensively you can just transfer it with a command token.

Other than that you've covered all the bases.

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Someone on wgc posted this. Apparently Aristeia minis is made of shitty plastic. It looks mantic tier bad

>>55219433
That's been know for a while.

>>55219164
>not wanting to play a whole crew of Umbra, travelling the worlds trying to out-edge each other

>>55219444
>implying chaotic stupid campaigns last longer than a session

>>55219478
Sounds like you've just got shitty players, m80.

>>55219442
I knew itwas going to be in plastic but never saw any images

>>55219500
>implying there are good plastics

>>55219433
Can't be used in Infinity anyway, so who gives a shit?

New player here, I'm trying to make sense of the in-game roles of all the Yu Jing models with new sculpts, how does this look?

https://pastebin.com/qD3Xc8Hm

>>55219647
Infinity has only 5 actual roles:
Cheap Order Generators
Hunters
Button Pushers
Zone Controllers
Wildcards/MULTI Role

As for ARO dudes, I wouldn't put the Dao Fei HMG or Domaru with Spitfire in reactive fire duty.

Your heads in the right place, but for an ARO piece you need to have more than one ability/equipment in your favor.

Example is TR REMs. They have the Total Reaction ability, some Visor (360)/Climbing+/Mimetism. The higher Burst and defensive equipment/abilities make them better at survival and a better chance at putting down the enemy.

I would put the Dao Fei HMG as a full blown Hunter. Shikamibis a Wildcard/MULTI Role piece since it has the components of a button pusher, hunter, and it has great defensive stats to boot.

>>55219647
I don't get it.

>>55219647
Gonna be honest my dude, it's pretty shit.

>Lieutenants
Hac Tao can't be LT. EO is a very niche skill and it's no substitute for an actual lieutenant.
Zhanshi make decent lieutenants if you just want to hide them in the back among several identical troopers.

>Cheerleaders
Domaru of any kind are too expensive to be cheerleaders. They're made to get in close and trade hits as a disposable active turn killer.

>Button Pushers
Tokusetsu, Zhanshi and Zhanying are all technically specialists but they're more reserve second-rate button pushers. Docs and engis are still useful but for their own utility.
CoC also allows you to push buttons, so Pheasants can go in the list.

>ARO Dudes
Okay, first things first: HMGs and spitfires are not reactive turn weapons. They have better range than a combi rifle but still only do 1 damage per shot and are a priority target for your opponent's own rambos. Even rockets/missiles/snipers with no defensive gear like Zhanshi don't make very good ARO turrets. ARO platforms are definitely the most complex unit type, but overall the only ones I'd keep would be the ML Yan Huo and Raiden, maybe the Guilang sniper or Zhanying ML on a very good day.
Suppressive fire is a good defensive tactic especially with special ammo, but nearly any unit can do that and it's always a secondary use. There's a few units like the CR/SMG Wu Ming and pretty much anyone with madtraps that are built for close range defence, but that leads to some rather murky territory.
Combi Guilangs could also technically count since they have mines, as could O-Yorois with their crazykoalas and Ninjas who wait in hidden deployment and engage anyone who gets close.

>Rambos
Add Tiger Soldier spitfire, HMC Yan Huo and Zuyong HMG.
And since 'rambo' really just refers to anything that is commonly used to murder people on the active turn, you could also add Domaru Butai of all kinds and Tiger Soldier shotgun (used usually to kill off cheerleaders in the opponent's backline)

New season is up. Buff to TAGs.

>>55219909
>During Season 9 any troop possessing the TAG Troop Type will have the Fatality L1 Special Skill with no extra Cost
>Designated target is an aggroing HVT
>Winter's winner, which faction gets the buffed statline for HVT
>One command group lists are immune to reducing orders by command token trick
>Alive is no more, Bit&KISS to CA instead
>PanO gets "Closed Battle Lists" from winning Wotan
>HVT: retroengineering replaced with HVT: Kidnap

>>55218594
>>55218707
>>55218815
>this Umbra fluff

Wait, what, what's their deal?

I didn't realize there was a race this edgetastic in Infinity.

>>55220194
Closed battle lists are essentially Svalarheima lists with fixed composition. There are 4, all have Jotumns, most have Nisse haris.

>>55220227
They stumbled in from 40k.

>>55220227
Umbra are supposedly originally a genocidal race from the galactic past that the EI brought back to existence for lulz.

>>55219909
>all TAGs get Fatality L1
This is... Yeah, this is good. I have absolutely no problem with it. It's fluffy, it gives basic HMG/spitfire TAGs a nice buff over their smaller equivalents, and doesn't break the game.

>single group lists cannot have their orders chopped with command tokens
This is also good.

>Bit and Kiss for CA
A repeater network that isn't based solely on Ikadrons and M/R drones might be nice, actually. And cheap fairy dust is decent as well.
She's going to need a wardrobe change though. Drop the Nomad schoolgirl shit, we need some sick alien cult robes or something. Or a big hacking headdress.

>closed battle lists
These aren't the worst shit in the world, which surprises me a bit.
>one has an Order Sergeant haris
Great. Hopefully that transfers to MO at some point.
>two have a Nisse haris
Cool. Might be a good look into how they function when SWF finally arrives.
>one has a Nisse KHD
Run that by me again motherfucker.

>>55220194
Is the "Soldiers of Fortune" extra new? I don't remember seeing it before.

>>55220329
Yeah, seems so.

>>55220329
>SOLDIERS OF FORTUNE
>This Extra allows players to include Mercenary Troops
in their Army List.

>Players must respect the Availability within the Troop Profile, ignoring the limitations established by the Army or Sectorial.

>Each player can include up to 75 points of Mercenary Troops in their Army List.

>The Mercenary Troops can be different for each of the two player Army Lists.

>Fielding mercenaries in this way costs 1 SWC in that Army List.

>The use of this Extra does not allow duplication of Characters.

>>55219909
The DataTracker rule looks interesting. This seems like a small buff to HI and other tanky units. The DataTracker is going to be shot at and do some shooting on his own, so you want him to be more sturdy than your LI Lt. This with the buff to 10-order lists is pretty interesting. Maybe now we'll even see TAGs.

>>55220432
There is also number of scenarios that grant TAGs extra points.

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>>55220194
>PanO gets "Closed Battle Lists" from winning Wotan
>HVT: retroengineering replaced with HVT: Kidnap
Something tells me getting rid of a Classified Objective that requires an Engineer is also related to PanO.

Also those Closed Battle Lists look like some kind of early Svalarheima preview. Is it so icefags don't feel as salty that wetfags are getting their sectorial first?

>>55220556
What are the CBLs even for? Just premade lists for lazy people?

>>55220274
>>55220194
this makes geckos quite good

combi- B4 Combi DAM14
with dam 14 panzerfaust and 15 chain colt

mk12- B3 dam 15

>>55220564
I think it's a preview of Svalarheima winter force.

>>55220566
I'm not sure DTWs are affected by Fatality. They don't require a BS attribute roll.
But yeah, this is a solid buff to all Mk12 and Spitfire wielding TAGs, as well as Combi Gecko.

>>55220566
>with dam 14 panzerfaust and 15 chain colt
You got those mixed up. It's 15 on the panzerfaust and 14 on the chain-colt

And that's 16 damage on that mk12.

>>55219860
>>55219867
Thanks for the input!
Is there any functional difference between Hunter and Rambo or Zone Controller and ARO Dude, or is it just semantics?
Aren't MULTI Rifles good for defensive ARO because of Stun ammo?
Is BS14 and HMC enough to make the Yan Huo into a Rambo when it only has MOV4-2 and no movement/MOD abilities?

>>55220680
MULTI rifles are good for defensive ARO because of AP/shock suppressive fire. The DA mode is okay if you get surprised, but nothing to write home about when it's only burst 1 and so easily outranged.

Yan Huo is pretty slow, but he's good enough in a fight that he can make up for the inefficiency. Burst 5 with shock ammo makes him a meat grinder against light troops, and with AP he's no slouch against heavy stuff either.

>>55220680
>>55220680
A Hunter can be good in CC, shooting, or bit of both. A Rambo has this association of being an order hog. I like Hunter as a blanket term, as it suits any unit that is particularly good at going on the offensive. Rambo, has this stigma for putting all your eggs in one basket.

Zone Controller is a more encompassing term than ARO dude. An excellent example of this would be the Massai Hunter for the Nomads. The guy isn't amazing at ARO, but he does great Area Denial with his Crazy Koalas and Repeater. Infiltration allows him to become a road block with his kit. He also has Mimetism which allows him to trade blows and lean to his side.

On there other side of the spectrum, we have a unit like the Yan Huo ML who has Neurocinetics and BS14. His weapons and equipment allow him to cover a zone while Neurocinetics and his BS allow him to have a good chance of putting down an opponent in ARO. He isn't very good in the active turn because of Neurocinetics.

Both units are great at Zone Controlling, but do it differently.

>>55220274
I guess it is nice for those factions that have tags and for people that want to use them.
I will miss the revolution dudes, they were useful in both of my lists. No idea what they are going to do in CA, they already have better hackers.

Panocenians getting 4 pre build lists with change stuff, is fine too. They won, they deserve a revvard.

Seems like the seson is going to be ok. Data Tracker hurts my army, but that is life.

>>55220194
>Alive is no more, Bit&KISS to CA instead
I'm going to read that now. If you're lying, better use the time to get a headstart.

>>55221085
Enjoy your schoolgirls.

>>55221085
Don't be sad anon. Switch is where he belongs now.

What I want to know is whether Bit got sepsitorized or just lost all hope in humanity and willingly joined the alien space robot.

>>55221154
She got punched so hard she lost her marbles.

Oooh, the CBLs are actually from a future sectorial. Nice.

>>55221154
>Switch is where he belongs now
In a garbage bin?

>>55221605
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>>55221450
>Hexa's unarmed attacks now count as Sepsitor ammo

>>55220194
>Alive is no more, Bit&KISS to CA instead

That's some sad shit.

Maybe the reason the ALIVE fags didn't get any models is because CB was waiting to change their style to fit whichever faction got them. I fucking hope so. I didn't join the big alien monster faction for schoolgirls.

>>55220556
More tohaa IMO

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>>55209608
>TAGLINE

>>55220556
Are Svalarheima not getting their sectorial in the next book? I thought most factions were getting two?

>>55222572
>>55222572
noob here, I understand this was based around tournament results, so why did CA get the alive, if it was panocenia that won everything. Or is this one of those insider jokes noobs like me don't get. harr har pano win=shasvati in disguise.

>>55222769
They are. PanO just got some lists early as play-candy for winning Wotan.

>>55222734
Why them? Tohaa have 2 engis, one of which is effectively HI with anti tank gear and both of which are WIP14.

>>55222792
Winner got to pick which faction they ended up in, it didn't necessarily have to be his own faction.

>>55222572
>aliens with various interesting appendages and schoolgirls together
I like where this is going.

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>>55219909
>Designated Target
>HVT: Kidnap

>>55223075
>all those times the pesky HVT:s have costed me a game will be paid with interest

>>55218588
Obviously the knights of the orient.

>>55218707
>The deal is, though, that the Umbra, hearing "No I don't want to be exterminated" would probably try to. They like killing people slowly. If they came upon an alien race that wanted to be exterminated, somehow, they'd never do it. They're basically Yugoloths - evil for the sake of evil. They live to cause suffering. They are capable of exceedingly complex long-term plans.... for the sake of causing more suffering. We don't know exactly how tight a leash the EI has got them on, though; probably tighter than the Morats, because they'd have to. Morats on a loose leash just start wars; Umbra on a loose leash might try to destroy the galaxy and all life in it or some shit.
That, like, exactly like my workplace.

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>>55222769
Varuna comes out before Svalarheima.

I'd like everyone to take a look at Blizzard-Force list B. It has a Jotum, Fusiliers, Sforza, Nisse Haris... And Saito Togan.
Saito Togan comes with Smoke Grenades.
In a list with Haris'd Nisses.

If that is a prelude of things to come...

>>55222966
man, what an a-hole the order player was then. Classic panocenian.

>>55223050
Maybe a box of 2 (or even 4 with Kiss and optional fastpanda) would be called for. CB seems to love that shit for characters, and you could have both a spooky collaborator Bit for people who want a more cohesive army as well as a schoolgirl Bit for filthy fucking Nomad degenerates.

>>55223310
It could have been a lot worse. I, for one, am glad that Switch is in the trash where he always deserved to be.

>>55222792
>>55223310
IIRC the winner actually plays both PanO and CA.

This is probably the safest choice. Switch and even Cypher were very, very powerful. I was shocked at how hard Cypher could defend a backfield when fighting him, and Switch alters your whole faction's loadout and deception abilities.

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>Also in October, there will be a physical version of the ITS rules, with all the background of last season, the current season background, never seen before content plus all the missions available from the web. This booklet will come with four exclusive cards of the mission “HVT: Kidnapping”, with alternative art, all four form an illustration. Perfect to substitute the ones from the Classified Deck. It will also have some space where you can collect your victories, put stickers won in tournaments. The perfect complement to take to tournaments! Don’t miss this out because it is a very limited item.

I know no one should fault a company for wanting to make money, but making a physical copy of rules that will be obsolete in a year and making it a limited item sounds... GW-ish.
It reminds me of the Blood Bowl season books or the General's Handbook 2017 (something tells me it will not go further than 2018).

Though I guess there's lore in there.

>>55223504
I welcome printed missions.

>>55223504
Nothing wrong with printing out your rules even if they'll only last a year. It's probably limited because they don't want to go all-in on something that's unlikely to be popular.

As long as they're not hiding anything you need to participate in ITS I don't see the harm. They're allowed to charge for extra optional content, especially if it's in a shiny book.

>>55223504
This isn't really GW levels of garbage as I'm guessing the price will be low and, I can't stress this enough, this physical copy is in no way mandatory. GW still hasn't caught up to CB in terms of having their rules be digital and free.

I'm moderately excited for this release if only to have additional fun prize support for events.

Is there a good guide to the aesthetics of each faction to help me choose?

>>55223840
>I'm guessing the price will be low
It's 15€. Is it low enough?

>>55223901
The gallery on the official website?

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>>55223901
Here's one for PanO and Nomads.

>>55223998
Are there more of these?

>>55221154

Switch was the one I wanted. I bet we'll get the Bit profile *without* a pitcher, too.

>>55224129
https://adhadh.deviantart.com/gallery/61870406/Infinity-Strips-Rolling-Guts
I should make more, but I don't feel motivated lately.

>>55224361
You are a hero to the community.

Daily reminder to protect your...
You know what? I think TAGs are finally become good enough to stand on their own feets.

So wait a minute, how did Bit&Kiss end up with the CA? Didn't PanO catch them?

>>55224904
Apparently the winner was a speculo killer.

>>55224904
Sepsitor is a hell of a drug.

>>55218927

And what I'm saying is that only one diplomatic division is ever named and explored.

The lore blurb gives room for there to be two diplomatic divisions.

Do you have the original spanish lore?

>>55223461
Wait, what happened to Switch and Cypher? Did they just stop existing?

>>55225243

Unclear. I hope it turns out that they are actually aliens who were sent in to "flip" Bit. Like Cypher is a Speculo and Switch is a Morat who was just in Cybermask the whole time.

Looking like Bit is gonna end up being CA's Patty Hearst.

>>55223454
Good for him, but he could have given them to the faction that really doesn't have hackers and needs them to do missions. First people go crazy for LI, then play only with missions where 1/3 require the use of hackers or engineers. Missions that only TO or TAGs can do?

>>55225320
more like one of those german/french 14y old ISIS brides that went to syria.

>>55225369

WTF are you talking about PanO doesn't have hackers. Unless you're actually a Tohaa player.

>>55225421

Also accurate lol. But it was more in reference to her being a rich kid gone bad.

>>55219183
Really strong looking list. Got a good amount of specialists. Personally I would downgrade one or two of the specialists to upgrade one of the Combi Rifles but that's more a matter of taste.

>>55225320
Maybe it has something to do with the "something much worse" that was mentioned at the end of TAGLINE video 3. Like, they hauled them off for sepsitor investigation or airdumped them in the Niemandszone for the CA to find.

>>55219860

>MULTI Role

heh

>>55219867
> They're made to get in close and trade hits as a disposable active turn killer.

Or you just park them next to an objective and kill the fuck out of anyone that tries to contest it.

>>55225369
No idea. They would fit pretty well in PanO. But I guess Bit provides some utility to CA with her multiple repeaters.
Maybe they cut Cypher and Switch because they proved too powerful. Switch certainly was, Cypher I used sparingly.
At least now I'll have no problem spending those 14pts on a Krakot instead.

>>55218707
>We don't know exactly how tight a leash the EI has got them on
The Umbra are one of the cultures along with the Ur that have the full EI integration. Imagine a crusader that has the walkie-talkie with God, except the walkie-talkie is built into them. They don't need to ask anyone if EI vult this or that. EI vult, they know it, on top of being cybernetically augmented martial artists.

The whole reason why the PanO knights are so zealous is because they score points for resurrection (except teutons I guess). Imagine having an access to the entire achievement list and unlockables that your god has in store for you. The Umbra are completionists.

>>55224904
ALIVE was a CA psyop. I told you from the very beginning!

TBQH, I always disliked the way ALIVE cluttered the Army unit selection.

Bleh, sticking them in CA is probably the least interesting option short of putting them with Nomads. How boring.

>>55227176
Yeah, a real plot twist would be having them end up working for ALEPH.

I feel like CA are the lolrandumb choice.

>>55228132
>not Ariadna

>ITT: Complaining that ALIVE didn't get put into their faction

>>55227176
Least interesting is fine. The bathroom is the least interesting place for someone to piss all over the floor, but it's also the easiest to deal with.
And it's not like Bit is that popular an option anyway. Having her in CA is good, she's an option to expand their poor repeater network without being mandatory like Switch would be.

>>55225582
Glad someone got a larf on it.

Neema best alien girl, CA get out

>>55228590
While I'd welcome another hacker, Ariadna and Nomads seem like the most predictable outcome. Honestly, Tohaa or ALEPH would be the most interesting. Tohaa would be a cool instance of them interfering deeply in human affairs, and ALEPH would have the sweet irony of a revolutionary being forced to work as a cog in the machiniest machine in order to escape being disappeared by PanO.

CA is just lolsepistor, which is distinctly uninteresting.

>>55230055
Well, she was in the hands of the Hexahedron. Presumably Cypher and Switch are still rotting at a black-site somewhere. I'd expect this to have been a field test to get more data on CA technology, if it was a sepsitor bait. Just like how the Hexahedron was doing bait to understand what Goodnight was.

>>55229854
Depending on your country, I think fucking a vegetable counts as rape

>>55226229
>The whole reason why the PanO knights are so zealous is because they score points for resurrection (except teutons I guess)
Teutons too. The catch about Church-mandated resurrection is that you can't score points for yourself, you can only do it for someone else. Much like Konstantinos and his girlfriend.

How many of the CA's components species are only there because they're sepsitorised?

Is there anything in the rules that forbids both sides in a match using the same faction or sectorial?

>>55232242
Mirror matches are legal, why?
If you need a story reason, fluff it as VR training.

>>55232180
>you can't score points for yourself, you can only do it for someone else
I thought that was optional.

>>55230055
I hope it isn't just lolsepsitor, or they at least keep it ambiguous. CA dropping the total annihilation act and starting to allow and encourage collaborators would be interesting, and a non-sepsitorized Bit replacing Ko Dali as the EI's human propaganda machine could introduce that.

>>55232242
>How many of the CA's components species are only there because they're sepsitorised?
As far as we know, none. There might be a couple that were extremely useful but also extremely troublesome, but there are far cheaper and more convenient ways to keep billions of people in line.

>Is there anything in the rules that forbids both sides in a match using the same faction or sectorial?
No.

>>55232281
You don't even need to go that far desu. Black ops skirmishes are a good place for infighting.

>>55232360
What does Ko Dali do these days, anyway? Might have thought she'd be in OCF.

>>55232411
I dunno, not much. She jumps onto battlefields, shoots camo dudes with machine pistols and occasionally eats people I guess, nothing new. She did seem like a good candidate for Onyx, but apparently not.

>>55232582
>occasionally eats people
Yu Ching Chong pls, shouldn't you be pretending she's just off on a covert mission?

>>55232662
Fuck you, it's all going according to plan. She's just a very deep cover agent.

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>was in the zone today for painting
>finally paint a mini to a standard that I am reasonably happy with, after years of nothing quite clicking with me
>it's now set a bar for my other minis that might be higher than I would have liked, assuming this was an abnormally productive day
>should probably also learn how to base things properly, too
Well shit. At least it only took me about a day to paint it up.

>>55232360
It's funny that the CA jumped straight to attacking, the OCF fluff indicates standard procedure is to give a new potential species the old Uprising: "Join or Die" routine, following a refusal with an "Are you sure?". Humanity wouldn't have been important enough to get a visit from that diplomatic EI Aspect shell whose name I forget but begins with P.

>>55233127
Pneumarch.

And I'm guessing either humanity is being tested so they can Transcend better (since a big near death experience is going to be hard to pull off when they get absorbed into the Hegemony), the EI saw all the Human Sphere's bullshit and decided that it would be easier to wipe the slate clean, or there's just been a massive fuck up. I don't think a lack of importance is it, having potential to Transcend pretty much guarantees you a spot in EI's harem even if you aren't useful otherwise.

>>55225438
I play ariadna, we don't have any hackers. If he could choose any faction to give hackers to, he should have picked ariadna and not CA that already has good hackers.

>>55233361

Given that it's Bit, nobody gives a shit. If it was Switch, the choice might have mattered.

>>55233127

I think it started with a misunderstanding, the CA showed up on Paradiso not thinking humans would be there and started blowing shit up, but then the Tohaa convinced the humans to sustain hostilities instead of negotiating.

>>55233361
That's kind of the point. Hacking is just one of the things Ariadna has very poor access to, in exchange for its cheap orders, spammable camo and dogs. And since Bit is mostly there to extend repeater networks she's near-useless without other good hackers anyway.

>>55233494
>fastpanda
>synchronized S1 repeater bot
>possibly pitcher
I dunno dude, I'm gonna be having a good time fucking up some MSV with white noise.

And trashboy went where he was always meant to go.

>>55233571

If we get the pitcher, maybe. Still kind of expensive for what it does. But she does *not* have access to White Noise; she only has Gadget Level 1.

It's a slap in the face to give us Bit. I bet if any other faction had won they would have given them something more useful.

>>55233619
Nah, you misunderstand. I mean all the cool repeater shit she gets can be used to extend the range of white noise, among other things. CA has great hackers but the only repeaters are generic remotes and Ikadrons, and while they're good they're also difficult to hide. Everything Bit throws out is S1, and she can maintain 2/4 repeaters at any time. Really hoping for that pitcher though.

I'm just glad that Switch is out of the game. Cypher wasn't quite as bad but twin E/Marats along with the rest of the package was a bit much.

>>55233900

Switch would be fine if just CA had access to him.

Though it'd be funny to see him disguised as a Hungry.

>>55233571
>Hacking is just one of the things Ariadna has very poor access to, in exchange for its cheap orders, spammable camo and dogs.

how does this help me, when all games are LI and hackers are required for 1/3 of all missions?In fact cheap orders hurt more then help, because ariadna players are forced in to taking high cost units which will always be worse then other factions high cost units. A yu jing or pano players cuts cheerleaders and his army was done transitioning from 2ed to 3ed. They sitll have good high cost specialists, good rambos etc I can take what an SAS, who more or less is a worse foxtrot?
CA had no need for more hackers, hell who plays them anyway, I seen one player playing CA in 2 years of playing and he wasn't a local and the mean time around 40-50 people played inifninity. First a starter for caledonians that makes all volenteers look bad, then no new HMG grey and now hacker goes to CA, and another seson of TAG and high cost model being important. When are we going to have a seson when cheap troops are going to be important?

>>55234090

All games are not LI. If you play that a lot, that's your choice. Also there's no missions where hackers are required (except for perhaps Highly Classifed).

>>55234090
Sounds like you're salty about your shit meta my dude. If everyone only plays LI around you then that's a problem you're going to need to try fixing.

>an SAS, who more or less is a worse foxtrot?
I see that somebody doesn't appreciate the value of assault pistols and chain rifles on infiltrators.

And classified objectives can suck a dick, building your lists around them is rarely a good idea. Specialists are interchangeable for other stuff, you don't need hackers.

>>55234090
>how does this help me
It doesn't, but you're beyond helping anyway so it doesn't matter.

>>55234189
If I take the SAS with the chain, as good as he is, my only other option at specialists is FO volenteers. One day someone is going to have to explain to me why other factions have HI FO, hackers, engineers etc yet greys, moremaers, scots guard can not.
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>>55234189
as missions go we use those secret deck card things, and all of them are LI, and out of 16 missions in it 9 either require a hacker or a engineer.

>>55234205
So you want to tell me that that A-hole pano player picked CA not to buff his own army? also what is it with blue color and being Ahole. MtG mono blue is for Aholes, eldar blue in CCG and table top,made out of Ahole prime, panocenia=aholes every player, High elfs and Tzeench demons in WFB, game breaking and only Aholes play them. It is mind blowing that one doesn't even have to know the person to know, if they are normal or bad, just by to color of their faction. People that play green colored stuff, seem to be normal cool dudes on the other side of the gaming spectrum.

>>55234356

>as missions go we use those secret deck card things, and all of them are LI, and out of 16 missions in it 9 either require a hacker or a engineer.

Dozer is fine. You're probably taking one to make your Muls work anyway.

Drop the hacker and you're only out 2, Data Scan and Espionage. The odds of you being forced to choose one of them are 1/100, and even if you did you could secure an HVT.

Also SAS are fine. You pay 6 more points than the FO Foxtrot, it's true, but you gain the ability to threaten TAGs in CC. Your call buddy. You also dodge/engage 3" and are actually scary up close.

>>55234356
Scots Guards have specialist profiles. The non-camo AP marksman and SMG profiles both have the FO skill as standard. There's also Uxia who is basically a premium SAS.

The root of most of your problems here appears to be limited insertion. Negotiate with someone who you think would be okay with running a normal game.
And trust me, Bit going to Ariadna wouldn't have made your life easier at all. She's a dedicated hacking support unit and Ariadna has nothing to support.

>>55234561
yeah, a 4-2 non camo specialist. good luck getting this thing anywhere near any objective. not that camo dudes have it much easier considering how everyone spams msv2 models.
Game negotiations in my country look like this. P1 So I would like to do X, because Y makes the game unfun for me.
P2 [thinks] X makes my army weaker.[anwser] No.

>>55234594
Leave your country for a place that isn't so eastern european.

>>55234561
Plus if they gave as a support hacker, maybe finally they would make a good TAG for ariadna or at least some TR bots, they don't even have to have msv2 or odd. make them simple armed with 1-2 AP HMGs/0-2 LG to balance the lack extra traits. Would be a lot more fun to play ariadna. And if people worry that this would be too OP for Russians, just limit the rems to caledonia.

>>55234618
Maybe you should play more technological faction in the first place.

>>55234682
Can't. caledonians are the closest ones to how estonians look.

>>55234706
>Estonia

KÄÄBIK :DDD

>>55234706
Wait, you're not the Crna Gora dude? You mean there's two of you?

inb4 obvious trolling

>>55234594

Why do you negotiate with them like this? They need to get a game in too. Your cowardice and general uselessness as a human being is not our problem and you should shut the fuck up in our general threads about it. You have all the tools to win, even in limited insertion, even playing Ariadna. If you can't win, then you just suck. Play more until you are better.

>>55234757
Aren't those people slavic?

>>55234744
now my feet are kind of a hairy, so I guess it is at worse partly true [hangs head in shame].

>>55234767
have you ever tried to talk or arguee with someone whose family is A not jewish B lived under communism for more then one generation?

>>55234788

Your inability to fight for what you want, to actualize yourself, means that you are just a tibla, truly. You have become one. You are a coward, not a true man, or even a true human.

>>55234794
better then just a human. A post soviet human, is stronger, tougher and smarter, because of the deadly enviroment they had to survive. Kind of a like ariadnans had to.

>>55234820

Physically Slavs (and central asians etc) were already tough. But smarter? Most of the smart people got out. The smart Slavs have always left Eastern Europe - take Marie Curie, for example. And look at you - you are incapable of negotiating a simple social situation to an equitable solution. Instead, you complain online like a useless little girl. You are a picture of cowardice and a lack of self-realization.

>>55234706
>caledonians are the closest ones to how estonians look.
Estonians are tartan-skirt-wearing werewolves?

>>55234908

Scots wear kilts. Estonian men wear skirts because when the Russians left they took their balls with them.

>>55234936
HAHA
FUNNY JOKE
INTO THE GULAG YOU GO

>>55234950

You think I'm joking. Lot of crossdressers in Estonia.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=svzU2ayjOhk

>>55234954
and what is wrong with crossdressing. ? you have to be a real man, sure about your masculitnity to dress like a woman, and still feel like a man.

>>55234820
If you're so much better, why do you whine on the internet instead of solving your own problems? Git gud. Make a better army. Play better. Make your own meta that doesn't play LI (oh wait, no one would play that because you're the same as them and would only accept rules that favor your faction).

Go ahead, do some of that, or come up with another solution, come back here in a month or two and post a success story.

But we all know you're not gonna do any of that.

>>55235030

I knew it, you're a crossdresser.

Let me explain it to you... because you don't understand what is happening. Estonians are a defeated people. The men are afraid to be men, because all of the brave Estonians had died by 1939. The men who are left know that they have to act as non-threatening as possible, and so they pretend to be women. Estonian women want to have children with anyone except an Estonian man, as they know their genes are weak and their courage that of a child's.

>>55235127
At least they have nice military rations.

I'm gonna be using some of my bday cash on getting into Infinity with a friend, we want to use the terrain we've been building as a hobby. We're splitting 150 bucks and we've already got paints and shit. So far we're thinking of Ariadna and Yu-Jing. What should we grab if we want to have a pretty fun two player time between those two factions?

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>>55235232
This is literally the only figure we both want cause it's got a cool gun

>>55235232

USAriadna boxed set and Yu Jing starter. Should run you about that much.

>>55235127
Infinity General.

>>55235127
Am not a crossdresser, but I do know people that do, And the estonian women not wanting to have sex is stupid. Estonia is the capital of porn of eastern europe.

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>>55235127
I wonder who's behind this post...

>>55235232
Be warned that Ariadna are a cheapo faction and tend to need more models! If you want to balance model count for your dollars, the YJ player will want either monks or Kuang Shi to drive the points per model ratio down.

>>55234594
Show them the new rules about single combat group armies as an argument to not play LI. Also grow a spine

>>55235244
Patrician choice. Tankhunters are excellent generalists, and the auto cannon one is pretty much the gold standard in nasty camo token surprises.

>>55235232
Dueling starter boxes is a good a place to go as any. The Starting Infinity boxes are fantastic, although in your case you'll need to dig up someone to take the Haqqislam stuff from the Red Veil box.

Barring that, grab what you like the look of. Infinity's one of the least cheese/list based games I've ever played, and it's very rare that a unit's legitimately bad.

>>55236050
aren't tank hunters just a slower, less powerful version of a specnas ?

>>55232582

What happened to Ko Dali?

>>55224361

I love you.

>>55236091
Bit can find out.

>>55236081

No. Better Wp, better Arm, V: Courage, and better weapons.

Is there ever a reason to take all three Fraacta?

>>55236081
Spetz aren't great in ARO. Sniper rifles are pretty mediocre when you're paying 1.5 SWC for them, at least compared to the EXP ammo that missile launchers and autocannons bring to the table. Also the AP HMG can take on heavy TAGs while the normal HMG really struggles.

>>55236228
Yes. If you really like Fraacta and really want to commit to the gimmick.

It's not a good reason, but it's there.

>>55236050
Thanks everyone for the feedback!
I'm thinking of grabbing two four 35 dollar starter packs, two for each, and spending twenty bucks on both factions for things I want. Thankfully tankhunters are good so I'm totally buying one of those kickass motherfuckers. I'm picking them based on how cool they look to paint desu, what's a good big ol mech suit for YJ that I could buy? Thanks again. Any recommendations for starters? What are the best two for those factions?

>>55236333
Yu Jing is better in power armor department but the Gui Jia looks kickass even if it's s fairly bland rules wise. Check out the Yan Huo and Hac Tao too. One of their best units.

>>55236333
The vanilla starter for Yu Jing is probably the best. The JSA one is old as fuck while the ISS one is very much made for its sectorial, with a couple of units that don't really bring much to a vanilla army.
And I wouldn't get more than one of each starter, as doubling up on anything but the cheap cheerleaders (and a starter gives you 3 of those) is uncommon.

Ariadna has 4 starters. The vanilla one has good unit composition, but it's also old as fuck. Decent choice if you're okay with the old models.
Merovingia has Moblots which aren't too good in vanilla but can be proxied as Veteran Kazaks easily, as well as 3 Metros (good troops, but only 2 are allowed in vanilla). Everything else is solid.
USAriadna has 3 of the fine but AVA2 Grunts and the debatably useful Minuteman. Other stuff is decent.
Caledonia is new and shiny but probably has the worst composition for vanilla play. You might use a Wulver, a Mormaer or a Grey, but not all 3 together. Again, Volunteers are nice but there's 1 more in the pack than you're allowed to use in vanilla.

Proper big mech suits for YJ are Guijia and O-Yoroi, but I wouldn't start with TAGs. They're expensive and not very noob friendly for anyone involved. Yan Huo and Su Jian keep the big robot aesthetic while being more forgiving, so maybe check them out.

>>55236333
Infinity is a game where you tend to make lists between 8 and 15 figures in size, give or take. And typically, you don't tend to double/tripple up much on figures, barring some of the really cheap ones. So I'd probably only get a single starter box for each, and round out what you have with blisters.

Mech wise, YJ has plenty of decent stuff. The Guijia is a bog standard TAG with all that entails, and the O-Yoroi is a more close combat themed one.

Having said that, picking up say, the USARF and the regular Ariadna starter boxes would get you a pretty neat mix of troops to start with. The Caledonia one wouldn't be bad either, although the double starter box thing is going to give you quite a few cheerleader types you'll probably not use all at once.

YJ's a bit limited, starter wise at the moment. I'd say just get the basic one and a heap of blisters. Maybe an Aragoto or an Oniwaban if you're into the JSA stuff. The Imperial Service starter is a bit hit or miss.

>>55236333
Older starters have smaller minis due to scale creep and newer ones have more good models.
I'd say YJ basic starter + Ariadna USA are the obvious picks - new + sleek.

YJ ISS box is great models of questionable utility in a vanilla list but still better than deformed Japanese models. The older starter set will lave you with too many Zhanshi, and the older ISS with too many Hsien.

Arianda vanilla is smallmen but pretty enough so probably better than the new Scotland box. I love the Frenchie models but it's still an old box and the vanilla is more useful. Honestly all the Ariadna picks are okay though

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Decided to set a challenge for myself and make a functional Tohaa list using absolutely no units that can form triads. How did I do anons?

>>55236922
No rasail, bound to fail

I'd consider swapping the clipsos FO with the Chaksa HMG, otherwise the Chaka its is going to be wasted more often than not.

>>55237018
>Chaksa its
Chaska order

>>55236922
I think if you switch the clipsos in the 2nd group with the nikoul you should do fine

>>55237018
>No rasail, bound to fail
That Kotail spitfire was originally a Rasail viral combi, but I was real tight on points.

>otherwise the Chaka order is going to be wasted more often than not.
Minelayer might get some use out of it. It's amazing how much fuckery a Clipsos can get up to when it needn't concern itself with objectives. Even besides the standard mine/Igao trick, I've had a lot of fun deploying it as a standard camo marker and making people think I've either got 2 minelayers or 2 Igao on the field. It's some good shit, especially considering how differently people react to Igao compared to Clipsos.

It's definitely something to consider though. Sometimes I have trouble breaking the Shas mindset when I play other armies and remembering the merit of direct beatstick style.

PanO are the good guys.

>>55237369
You'd have to be a leftist to think otherwise.

>>55237369
Everyone knows CA are the real good guys.

>>55237616
You'd have to be a Tohaa to think otherwise.

>>55237369
That's a funny way of spelling ALEPH.

>>55237680
And ALEPH was made by PanO. Ergo PanO are the good guys.

>>55237759
aleph is a life form self birthed in sea of information.

>>55237498
>tfw im a leftist
>also think PanO are the good guys

Its like... being in favor of progress and unity is a good thing..

Really ingnites ur almonds...

>>55236091
Started in a mindbreak doujin

>>55239233
>progress and unity
Nice buzzwords, please keep /pol/ and /leftypol/ out of my toy soldier forum

>>55239301
>this is your brain on sepsitor

So my limited Joan of Arc arrived today.
Currently building up a CA force but I want to go for military orders as a second army.
What would be a good (not OP or tourney level) kind of list, if I really want to have Joan go out with some knights and light stuff on rightous fire?

>>55239301
/pol/ would hate PanO.

>Indians and Indian names everywhere
>robust welfare systems
>promiscuity and sexual deviancy no longer really looked down on
>not even the Catholic Church cares, has thrown in with the selfietastic tinderesque lifestyle of PanO

>>55239409
Stick Joan in with some Knights of the Balling Order of Santiago.

>>55239439
>>robust welfare systems
Well, nope, PanO are full right-wing economy-waise

>>55239484
>source: My Ass
Outside Ariadna, some Earthen 3rd world countries and maybe some desolate space pods, the society is pretty close to post scarcity and most of the population lives on neetbux at least some of their lives.

Then you have Ateks, who decide to not take part in comlog based society and political system, which consists of lobbies, but that doesn't change the fact that even in working population you have short work weeks.

>>55239409
If you want to play Joan to the fullest, Santiagos or Hospitallers are a must.

>>55239801
Maybe on Neoterra, Acontecimento is pretty much wage slave planet.

>>55239824
>>55239461

Alright, so I just threw this together real quick.

Military Orders
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9
JOAN OF ARC Lieutenant MULTI Rifle, Nanopulser / Pistol, AP CCW. (+1 | 49)
KNIGHT OF SANTIAGO Paramedic (MediKit) Combi Rifle, Nanopulser, E/M Grenades / Pistol, DA CCW. (0 | 41)
KNIGHT OF SANTIAGO Boarding Shotgun, Nanopulser, E/M Grenades / Pistol, AP CCW. (0 | 37)
KNIGHT OF SANTIAGO Spitfire, Nanopulser, E/M Grenades / Pistol, AP CCW. (1.5 | 44)
KNIGHT OF SANTIAGO Combi Rifle, Nanopulser, E/M Grenades / Pistol, DA CCW. (0 | 39)
SPEC. SERGEANT Hacker (Hacking Device) Combi Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (0.5 | 21)
SPEC. SERGEANT Hacker (Hacking Device) Combi Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (0.5 | 21)
ORDER SERGEANT Paramedic (MediKit) Combi Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 15)
SPEC. SERGEANT (CH: TO Camouflage, Infiltration) MULTI Sniper Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (1.5 | 33)

4 SWC | 300 Points

The Santiagos in a fireteam with Joan and the Order Sergeants to deal with objectives.

How does it look?

>>55239484
PanO is a 'soft' cyberpunk dystopia where if you're working you're a wageslave and if you're not you're in the welfare machine.

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quick question. im kinda newish to infinity.
i just orderd the beyound red veil box and wondered if the fiday gets a new profile or if his loudout includes the rifle/shotgun even if its not visible on the model.

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>>55239982
Nine orders at 300pts will gimp you hard, especially since to get the most of your Specialist Sarge's TO:Camo you'll be starting with eight effective orders.

Pic related has done well for me in the past.

>>55240130
Any model with a universal piece of gear like a pistol or CCW can be used as any profile. And it's not like Infinity is adverse to proxies anyway.

>>55240130
Models not brandishing a weapon are pretty much legit proxies to any profile.

>>55240130
He still has the rifle/shotgun.

WYSIWYG isn't at all a rule in Infinity.

>>55240186

Well, it is. If a model with the right profile exists, you have to use it. You can proxy anything that doesn't have a mini with that exact loadout.

when am running a kalifa+ghulam link in my KQ, what heavy weapon should I give them? a HMG or a sniper rifle?
I was thinking about something like 2 FO, Khalifa, HMG dude, medic dude.

>>55240514
What the fuck is a Khalifa?

>>55240186
>>55240173
>>55240158
>>55240316

thanks.

>>55240759

He's running a link with four Ghulams + one 828 meter skyscraper, should be obvious dude.

>>55240514
Sniper rifles/ML for a defensive link, HMG and FOs for an aggressive one. Although FOs are great ARO pieces as well.
So it depends on what you want to do with them.

>>55241005
Why FO for aggressive? Are you targeting in the active turn?

>>55236228
Its one of the better 3 drop troop lists.

>>55241623
To grab objectives with, duh.
Though considering it's Ghulam, you may want that sweet Haqq medicine instead.

>>55241638
Who are the other 2?
Tiger soldier aaaand......

>>55241947
Yuan Yuans, duh.

>>55234090
It's okay buddy, let it all out

>>55240759
Kalifa the dire foes hacker.
>>55241005
I could cut the bashi for yuan, and Run a kalifa+medik+Rocket Launcher+HMG+FO. Costs more, but would be a more all comers. As harris am runing the obelisques, contender+spitfire hawza+smg .

>>55234618
>why can't MY faction (and only MY faction) get new OP units!?!?

>>55242036
Her name is Leia Sharif. There's no "Khalifa" in her name anywhere.
I'd run the link as Leia + HMG + Doc and keep the other two Ghulam basic, although aggressive ML has worked wonders for me in the past. You don't want all your eggs in a 1W basket.

>>55240759
A pornstar with an awful titjob.

>>55234781
>>55235677
>mistaking filthy gay Balts for Slavs

>>55234706
Really? That's the reason?
I play Corregidor and I'm neither black nor Latino or have a criminal record for any other reason.

>>55242094
I could have sworn she is called Mia Khalifa, but then again I suck at all the arabic names.

>>55242291
Why would you think balts are gay? they are strong manly man, true vikings unlike sweeds that went all soft and PC.

>>55242415
See >>55242121

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>>55241947
Tohaa Gao-Tarsos

Anybody tried using the Samaritan + 2 Xeodron Haris in OCF?

>>55242415

>Why would you think balts are gay? they are strong manly man, true vikings unlike sweeds that went all soft and PC.

It's not that Estonians are gay, it's that their men act like women because they are cowards. There are probably more gay Finns, it's just that they're still, you know, masculine.

>>55243498
That, or three samaritan, or samaritan and rodoks.
Why does everyone got superjump?

>>55244703
Imagine how terrifying seeing a Xeodron use its Super-Jump must be. The things are massive, yet they can hop around like fleas.

>>55233012
Bah, just slap paint on that shit. You'll get good given time.

>>55234594

2 orders gets him to the center of the board.

>>55247252
hell, two orders can get you 2 to the center of the board if you run a duo. Ap Marksman and dbl SMG is a hell of a paring.

>>55244703
Three Samaritans cannot Haris in Onyx, while they have the ability the Sectorial chart doesn't allow for it.

>>55248444
Why not, they've got AVA 3. Special Fireteams don't preclude normal fireteams.

>>55248808

Look at the sectorial chart for Onyx. It enumerates all the fireteams allowed. Samaritans can only be run in their special fireteam w/ 2 Xeodrons.

>>55243498
I ended up just wishing Xeos could duo desu. Extra burst is nice but it's not really worth the hassle of keeping them all together with no supp fire imo. Vorpal CCW could have some bullshit potential with burst 2 monofilament AROs, but I've not yet seen it and you're giving up suppressive fire on both your sweet smiley boys to make it happen.

But then again I've never much liked Samaritans over Legates anyway.

Just realized that Missile Launcher Zhayedan is meant to crack Suppressive Fire TAGs and Heavy Infantry (along w/ anyone else being a prick w/ MSV2)

>>55248947
And in a Core with up to 4 Rodoks.

>>55243545
being a homocidial alcoholic does make one man. Plus what is wrong in wearing women cloths. Put mr T in dress at his prime and call him a fagot.

>>55248947
Army takes precedense over wiki. Samaritan has Haris on all profiles, so you can Haris them.

>>55249673

Nope. Read Fireteam: Haris in HSN3 again. You need more than just the ability; it has to be called out by your sectorial.

Let me ask if I understand the merc rules correctly; you can have up to 75 points of non-faction specific mercs, not exceeding their AVA,m and it costs 1 SWC on top of any they might have already.

So now anyone can take the Anaconda for 3SWC? hurray....

But in all honesty, yuan yuans are top tier, grab 3 of the fucks and go ham. McMurder is worth 1SWC, I will have fun with Yojimbo in Nomads as I dont have any motorcycles and shitting up the board with even more koalas is a good time. Sforza can join ol Jimbo, and he is worth the 1SWC for me as I dont have access to holoprojectors. My list of fuckery grows.

This season is a buff to Nomads. Geckos and Iggy get STRONK guns and the expansion of the toolkit list and toolkit=fuckery and thats how space degenerates roll. Im only sad to see Bit succumb to the enormous alien dick, and we all know no one can beat the dick she wasnt an obvious power piece but she was toolboxy and very useful to me; just try to use your unit with KHD against a Nomad EVO network.

>>55250529
All will succumb eventually. Human units for CA when

And PanO getting smokey mercs is sure to be nice for them. Even beyond smoke combos it makes knights easier to send up the board. Avicenna's 90% doctoring success rate is pretty sweet too, and I'm sure Deadpool's eclipse grenades will be appreciated by those factions without them.

>>55250529
It's an optional rule like Limited Insertion or Spec-ops. The TO will have to say you're doing an SoF event before you get all crazy with mercs.

>>55249658
I think what the other anon is getting at is there are distinctions for masculinity. It isnt the act of wearing womens clothing that is the issue, its that the men act like women while trying to look like women. You are not wrong, no one would call Mr.T anything other than manly; even if he went full greek and was boyfucking and getting plowed by other burly men, no one would say he wasn't manly. Why? He is a guy that not only looks like he doesn't take shit from anyone, he has the rep of not taking shit from anyone, he is a self actualized individual. Refer back to the premise of the other anon's post; cowardice, especially in the face of true adversity. Eastern Euros werent nuked but they might as well have been seeing what the 1930s and onward did to them.

Clothes dont make the man, but they sure as hell give a good indicator. Here is your (You), dont spend it in one place.

>>55250618
Its about time PanO got smoke, its partly why I said Yuans are top tier. This season will be an excellent experiment and see if PanO+smoke=OP. I am willing to bet no. Also those CBLs give me hope MO gets a nice update as Hospitaller and a pair of OS is exactlythe kind of update the sectorial needs.

I didnt even consider Deadpools eclipse grenades for other factions. Damn, unopposed movement for scary shit.

>>55250765
You are not wrong, but do you think that will get in tyhe way of FLGS pushing for those rules because it pushes more boxes into the hands of more faction limited folks? Our Caledonian crossdressers can get Saito Togan an finally stop bitching! Andfor all we know Saito could be a Finngol, which is a stone's throw away from Slav territory so it fixes all the complainging. Think of it!

>>55250853
>You are not wrong, but do you think that will get in tyhe way of FLGS pushing for those rules because it pushes more boxes into the hands of more faction limited folks?

If your LGS is trash, sure. SoF will likely be the center of a few events as people want something fresh, but it shouldn't gather any traction competitively speaking. Just another way to fuck around with something new.

>>55250853
>playing in LGS

PanO with smoke is by no means OP, because Rui Shi means that every single YJ army can do it with high BS Marksman Spitfires, and all of Aleph could do it since Campaign Paradiso. And Tohaa could do it since they got regular smoke too.

It's removal from PanO is a nice distinction, but PanO doesn't get much fun stuff to compensate (like if they only packed Eclipse Grenades but those were more common like an auxilia loadout, etc)

>>55250853
I'm hoping Father Knights end up being the ones able to join OS links in MO, rather than Hospies. That would help curb the current Santiago/Hospitaller dominance by giving other knights some good neutral support.

PanO with smoke being OP hasn't been a concern since N3 came out. It's more an internal balance issue than anything now, you'd need to introduce several to stop the smoke carrier being an autoinclude (or just make it expensive like the AssGuard)

>>55250942
>a nice distinction

Think this is really the strong argument. In a game where most factions have an equivalent to must units, those things are valuable. Factions having clear playstyles is a good thing

Well data tracker threw a wrench in the Nomad REM list I was excited to try out. I guess I can try making the clockmaker pull double duty. I need to play some games to figure out if those 2 point swings are something I can live without. Seems like a buff to Heavy Infantry?

Do TAGs keep their specialist profiles this season?

>>55251314
>Do TAGs keep their specialist profiles this season?
Probably. That seems like it's going to be a permanent change.

>>55251314
>>55251443
Especially when they already released remote pilots for PanO and CA and they would be otherwise utterly pointless.

Just got my Beyond boxes and holy fuck is the Daofei's HMG hilariously tiny. I realize the old one was huge, but it's way too much of a good thing.

Now I'm gonna have to recast older guns to swap them.

New thread:

>>55252079
>>55252079
>>55252079

>>55252024
That's weird. Is it significantly smaller than the RV Hsien's one?

>Now I'm gonna have to recast older guns to swap them.
I'm gonna assume you mean a spitfire, since that's the more used Daofei profile anyway. I'm having trouble even comprehending that anyone would prefer the disgusting shitshow that was the old YJ HMG to even a comically small version of the new one.

>>55250973
I know le Teuton=Shit meme, but what's up with Montesas and Sepulchrists that they don't see much use?