/40kg/ General, Warhammer 40k

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aaaarghhh

How does assaulting people in a building work for a monster? Can it smack people on the second floor if its standing on the first floor?

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>>55203093
*snorts*

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>>55203131
AAAAAAAAARRRGGGHHHHHH

Save me, Boar! Save me!

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>>55203063

leave cishits to me

>>55203123
I dont know exactly

I'd say if youre within 1" of the model you could whack it vertical or horizontal

>>55203280
Jesus that hand looks like it could crush a straight white male's skull.

>>55203280
Is that the Alexis tranny that makes 40k videos?

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Just played some guy with these weird tiny marine models. Beat him really easily with my Primaris, over by turn 4.

Are they the squats I've heard about? They seemed a bit of a joke in the table but it was a fun game.

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>>55203333

>>55203333
>3
Was this during an Earthquake?

>>55203333
Maybe they were from a defective kit? I would return them to the shop manager desu

>>55203333
>turn 4
>being this bad

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Yarrick with +1 Leadership bubble or Pask with 6+ FnP, which is a better warlord if I'm bringing both?

>>55203350
Yeah playing in North Korea

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Just had my first game of 40k. Very fun game IMO.

We were playing the Konor Campaign mission and I was defending. It was the last turn and I had to keep 5 minis on the objective to win... I ended up making 5 saves but my opponent used his last command point to make me reroll the save and I failed it.

My plasma gunners were really strong through the game, even risked it a few times overcharging without rerolls and killed jetbikes. Command points are a really fun tool and addition IMO.

>>55203377
> but my opponent used his last command point to make me reroll the save and I failed it.
But he cant do this

>>55203377
Your opponent can't make you reroll saves. You lost because you got cheated

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>>55203377

>>55203280
How big are those damn Primaris marines? Jesus that gun is massive.

>>55203397
>>55203394
?

The rule says 'reroll any dice'.

>>55203377
You cannot spend a command point to force your opponent to reroll, it only works on your own dice unless they were using an army-specific stratagem I'm not familiar with

Glad you enjoyed it though

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>>55203377
>my opponent used his last command point to make me reroll

>>55203367
I'd take the 6 fnp and get some commisars. Fear builds will still murder guard even with the extra 1 leadership. That being said I'm not an experienced guard player.

>>55203306
She(male) is hot

>>55203414
RE-roll. You may roll a die again.

He didn't roll your save a first time, so he can't roll it a second.

>>55203427
Yarrick is a commisar.

>>55203414
your fucking dice, you can't do anything about other people rolls.

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Iron Warriors fag here, chucked something together.

1792/2000 points.

Spearhead Detachment:
Warpsmith - 76
Chaos Predator: Autocannon, Heavy Boltor Sponsons - 159
Maulerfield: Lasher Tendrils - 152
Maulerfield: Lasher Tendrils - 152

Spearhead Detachment
Sorcerer: Fleshmetal Exoskeleton - 102
Chaos Vindicator - 135
9 Havocs - 2 Lascannons, 2 Autocannons - 207
9 Havocs - 2 Lascannons, 2 Autocannons - 207
Chaos Rhino - 72
Chaos Rhino - 72

Super-Heavy Auxilary Detachment
Renegade Knight: Reaper Chainsword, Rapid Fire Battle Cannon - 258

I have 200~ points to play about with and shore up on where I'm lacking. The realisation that I can just use havocs in spearheads to replace Chaos Marines really helped me put a nail in their coffin.

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>>55203377
>my opponent used his last command point to make me reroll

>>55203429
Nah they're rancid. Also a legit cunt

>>55203333
Quads have spoken you nerds, just buy ChadMarines untill you can't afford food.

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>>55203437
>>55203433
ANY dice.

Not 'your dice'.

>>55203450
Why? I have watched the potcast she is in and she seems to be fine.

>>55203460
>YOU can re-roll any single dice
You got le tricked.

What do I do with an Ethereal in a Breacher and Stealth Suit heavy Tau list?

Stick him in the back with the Broadsides and re-roll 1s?

I need a second HQ and I won't use characters or more than 1 commander.

>>55203460
"Key" word is re-roll. GW eve FAQed this

>>55203474
>>55203478

Well you're obviously going to roll it.

The point is that its ANY dice.

I've got a KR case sitting around with no foam in it, and I'd like to make the thing useful. Is there anywhere I can get pluck foam in the right size besides KR themselves? Or failing that, even pre-cut foam?

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>>55203063
Nah. Gimmee that big human titty.

>>55203439
How do you feel about cultists? I kind of feel your list is a bit short on actual dudemans to stand on objectives. Not necessarily a classic iron warriors choice though, I'll admit.

>>55203487

I'll spend a CP to reroll the TO's seeding roll for this round.

>>55203439
> 9 Havocs
> only 4 heavy/special+champion
Why? And why Rhinos without any additional combi-weapon?

>>55203513
No it doesn't.

You're obviously going to reroll it because you're the one who's spending the CP.

If it wanted you to only reroll your own dice, then it'd say 'Any of your dice' rather than 'any'.

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>>55203460
>>55203487

You use the stratagem, you reroll your dice. Reroll also implies that the one using the stratagem was the one rolling the dice in the first place.

And, as flatly outlined by the rule-writer, you cannot reroll any dice your opponent rolls, only dice that you roll.

>>55203487
you can't roll your opponent dice, so if you didn't roll the first time you can't obviously re-roll it

>>55203472
Remember, hating trans people makes you a bigot, so you need to contrive some other reason to post shit about them on an anonymous image board.

>>55203534

Extra bodies to soak wounds is not a bad thing at all (but 5 are definitely excessive),

I tun my havoks 6-7 size

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>>55203543
>some random twitter post
>not verified

That all you got?

>no Death Guard pre-order article on warhammer community

Why do they fucking hate death guard?

>>55203540
Please stop pretending to be retarded, Anon.

Who do you guys like for bits? Now that Tempestor Primes are separate units I find myself lacking a single scion for 3 full squads. On top of that, looking at my leftover parts, I figured out i can make a shitton more dudes if I just had legs and bodies. Problem is I can only find bodies on ebay. EVERYONE whos selling scion bits has everything but legs.

>>55203559
But its 10 excessive csm. Another squad with 2 heavu/special+ champion option or with 2 champions at 5 man squads

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>>55203561

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We had some fun last thread with OC autism, so let's try again. My idea is simple and I won't bore you with the story and shit. Basically it comes down to:

>SM captain
>3++ against ranged attacks, 5++ against close combat attacks
>relic blade that gives the enemy -1 to hit against him

How much would this cost compared to a normal captain ? Twenty more points than a Captain with a relic blade ?

>>55203599
No.

>>55203599

I'd say on par with relic blade + SS captain

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What does is mean /40kg/?

New Raptors?
Or some replacement like the Hellbrute?

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>>55203561
No shithead.

https://whc-cdn.games-workshop.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/07/Warhammer_40000_Designers_Commentary.pdf

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2017/07/23/updated-faqs-and-boots-on-the-groundgw-homepage-post-2/

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>all these (you)'s

You wanna reroll them posts boys?

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>>55203619
Awww

I just finished chapter 1 of Hero of the Imperium. What a good start. Much better than Horus Rising, which was the most rushed thing I've ever seen.

>>55203636
Reboxing into the new box art style and an 8th ed. datasheet inside. No changes to the models themselves.

>>55203634
It was that or the old Watch Master block ability but I decided on Belial.

>>55203636
Neither. GW is having some serious issues with maintaining stock right now, people just keep buying it up.

>>55203599
Why his blade make him stealthy or what shit you mean?

>>55203636
It means they're sold out online you dumb ass.

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>>55203561

>>55203640
He's right though, that twitter post isn't even varified and it's not even PRETENDING to be a gamesworkshop account.
It's most likely some /tg/ anon who screencapped his own post.

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>>55203637
B T F O
T
F
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>>55203680
>>55203637

>>55203435
Yeah, but he asked what warlord trait if he brings both.

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>>55203661
>starting my Salamander army
>reading about how Vulkan is missing, possibly dead
>cannot abide such heresy
>go to buy his mini at the GW site
>he's missing online too

I WON'T BELIEVE HE'S GONE.

>>55203637

>literally just words on a piece of paper. Just ink printed in a pattern.

>>55203475
Use a fireblade instead?

>tfw finally use a 6-man paladin bomb with hammers and hammerhand, ancient and Draigo in tow
They killed a whole 10-man terminator squad, it was fucking glorious. Chaoscucks btfo

On an aside, is there an official rule on how to damage brimstones? It's a pair on a base, but one wound per dude, so do multi damage weapons kill one or both?
also GK like this are the anathema to the chaos meta- hide dudes in cover, deepstrike in, use PAGKs to delet hordes while the Paladins do the dirty work. Merc the fuck out of invulns

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>>55203640

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So much bait, such successful fishing in this thread. It should be renamed "You got yourself caught edition"

>>55203700
Vulkan literally can't die. So right now, he's just a shitty dad.

>>55203720
Stop feeding

Is it worth deepstriking and trying to get a charge off or should I try and deepstrike in cover and just wait a turn to get an easier charge off?

I'm using Sicarian infiltrators if it makes a difference.

>>55203718
The brimstone profile is for everything on that single base.

>>55203665
What ?

>>55203291
Most buildings have 3" between floors, in previous editions there was a volume factor. That was why you could be in coherency and in a building

So can monsters assault past the 2nd floor?

>>55203771
>relic blade that gives the enemy -1 to hit against him
Why blade give him evasion skills?

>>55203772
Generally no, unless there are ramps and such. Trying to play an all melee Nidzilla army is a bad idea.

>>55203635
So basically 15 points for the blocking ? That seems reasonable.

>>55203803
So it IS a smart idea to deep strike Scions and such to the top floor of a building then.

>>55203673
>>55203661

The "No longer available" doesn't show up in those cases, Abbadon is sold out too but is not marked as "no longer available".

>>55203799
Guess I forgot to specify it's in CC only like Belial's ability. My bad.

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>>55203507
>Nah. Gimmee that big human titty.
Well Eldar aren't exactly lacking in the titty department, you are correct.

>>55203811

Compared to SS/relic cap
5++ instead of 3++
-1 to hit

I'd say those cancel out each other.

got my dark eldar start collection yesterday.
where do I go from here and what units should I get?

>>55203765
Oh my fucking god, that cheater

No wonder I was salty his blob was so hard to kill, he had twice the number of fucking wounds. Well, I still won, so that's good

>>55203718
>8 man squad killed 10 man termie squad
Even veterans on packs with claws can do this

>>55203569
Mortarion comes out on the 16th, pre order will be open on the 9th

Orky Napoleon here

Is there a way to get 3 orky HQs for 84 points

Because 1416 gives me 90 shoota boyz with as many big shootas as they can grab and kustom shootas on the boss nobz

And 30 Kannonz and their grot crews

30 feels like a good number.

>>55203762
You want Infiltrators in CC as soon as possible, or totally hidden from LoS. As is they're best with goads routing guardsmen, but they can do decently against tougher stuff as well, provided its W1.

The problem is they're fragile as hell, so 'cover' isn't optimal. I like to just shoot and scoot, use them as a distraction that munches up chaff

>>55203846
Even playing by the rules, people spamming blobs of Brimstone horrors are the people you want to avoid playing against unless youre tailoring a list for an upcoming tournament, at which point you should know the rules (and the way to manipulate them) by heart

>>55203873

Not in the same detachment

But you can get an HQ for 0pt in an auxilliary detachment with the understrenght rule

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>>55203508
I collect tyranids as well so I've already got my fair share of 'loads of mans'. I could probably get more havocs though.
>>55203534
I'm not sure what you're trying to say with Havocs. Havocs can only take up to four heavy weapons. The additional guys are there to soak wounds and because the rest of my army lacks bodies so it's to give me some more models on the table.

Why then are you asking why?

As for Rhinos without Combi weapons, didn't realise they were a thing that was important. I can add some, just still wondering why you're mentioning about Havocs.

>>55203333
>very fast whirlywind launching at extremely hihg speed

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tfw you win your first game

Am I a fag for putting a blaster of four in every squad of Trueborn/Warriors I ran?

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>>55203700

He will be back soon, brudda!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tLMV9B3vq1A

>>55203910
>I'm not sure what you're trying to say with Havocs. Havocs can only take up to four heavy weapons. The additional guys are there to soak wounds and because the rest of my army lacks bodies so it's to give me some more models on the table.

I think he's trying to say the number of extra models to soak wounds is too high

Stick to 6-7 sired havok squads.

>>55203863
Oh shit, that should say 5, not six. And Draigo and ancient were fighting different people, it was just them, and it was badass. Hammerhand was useless there, but he had a defilement that they just tore into. Draigo also 1'bopped a DP, it was so sweet.

I don't know if mathematically it's the greatest thing ever, but it's so sweet to see Paladins and hammers good after so long, and killing such a popular thing was the icing on the cake.

The planet can still be won! Unload soul grinder battalions!

>>55203929
That theme is super homosex for a Primarch as hardcoer as Vulkan. Doesn't fit him at all.

>>55203921
Blaster spam is DE 101.

>>55203901
Well I needed 3 to fill up the spearhead and battalion detachment taxes

So instead I'll just take 1 spearhead, and find something else to replace 30 shoota boyz with

Fun fact, 21 Kannons will mathhammer a full hp Lehman Russ to death and all 30 will eat a land raider or cripple a knight

I see literally no flaws with this plan

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>>55203930
The main problem then is, I have even less bodies on the field than I did before, and lacking mans is something another anon has highlighted.

So I'm really not sure where to go with this advise.

>say that to my baneblade cannon and not my face and see what happens

>>55203964
I felt like a real fuck ass as I swept his Lamenters from the field with a trillion D3s

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>>55203952
Speaking of...

I learned yesterday that Soul Grinders can be used in Age of Sigmar.

WTF

>>55203895
Well prepping for tournaments was the point, but the dude tends toward waacfaggotry so I guess it's not shocking. I won anyways, a full PAGKsquad dropping in, unloading, fighting, and then teleporting back to shoot/smite/fight again worked really well.

Aside from gate of infinity (which is bonkers good), the real winner is first to the fray WL trait. Rerolling on all the alphastrike chargers was amazingly powerful, and being able to knock away the combi-plas terminators (line of sight so no overwatch too!) that quick was huge

>>55203976

Then add the bodies somewhere else...

Drop the rhinos (Why rhinos????), give the sorcerer termi armor and add some termies to go with him.

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>>55203910
> I'm not sure what you're trying to say with Havocs. Havocs can only take up to four heavy weapons. The additional guys are there to soak wounds and because the rest of my army lacks bodies so it's to give me some more models on the table.
> Why then are you asking why?
Instead of 2 9-man squads you can take 2 5-man with same amount of heavy weapons, but with 1 10-man unit of normal csm more and give them 2 heavy/specials+champion or 2 5-man and it will be 2 heavy/special+2 champions.
> I can add some
Transport must do something except transporting. With combi-meltas they can even destroy something!

But im infantry player and always try to maximise number of power armor guys on battlefield.

>>55203569
Because you're a bit too early.
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2017/09/03/mortarion-and-the-death-guard-next-weekend/

>>55203921
>TFW I have yet to lose a game with my GK since 8th edition dropped

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GGXzlRoNtHU

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neat

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Man, why the fuck are GKs so expensive.
I fucking hate it.
I don't care if they are shit or OP in the rules, I just want to use my models on the table. Last edition, I got 15 Terminators, 10 Purifiers, 5 Purgators, 2 Razorbacks, 2 Dreadnoughts, 2 HQs and a Land raider into my 2k point list. I've been working around on this for 2 hours and while this is the list that keeps as many of the models I like in it, and I still have to leave about half of the stuff I want to play on the shelf. Well done GW, you're gonna make me sell about half my army.
Anyway, if anyone wants to rate my shitty list...
Battalion detatchement:

Hq:
Voldus (proxied with my Grandmaster "Bookhammer" because the official model looks like shit)
Psychic powers: Sanctuary, Purge Soul, Vortex of Doom

Brotherhood Champion (Fury of Deimos Relic)
Psychic Powers: Hammerhand


Troops:
Strike Squad: (5) Halberds, Seargent has a hammer
Psychic Powers: Hammerhand

Strike Squad: (5) Halberds, Seargent has a hammer
Psychic Powers: Hammerhand

Strike Squad: (5) Halberds, Seargent has a hammer
Psychic Powers: Hammerhand


Elites:
Dreadnought: Lascannon and Missle Launcher
Psychic Powers: Astral Aim

Paladin Squad: (10) 2 Hammers, 1 Stave, rest have Halberds
Psychic Powers: Hammerhand

Apothecary: (Warlord Trait: First to the Fray) Stave
Psychic Powers: Gate of Infinity

Heavy Support:
Land Raider Crusader

Purgation Squad: (5) 4 Psilencers
Psychic Powers: Gate of Infinity


Yes, I know that falchions are better than halberds, I dont care. I modeled them with halberds and I'm not gonna remodel them or be a big enough faggot to proxy everything.

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>>55204060
Cool.

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Tallyman has a buddy it seems.

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>>55204075

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>>55204075
Hey look at that.

>>55204089
D3 mortal wounds to each unit within 7" if he rolls that number for them

>>55204089
> What does this do though
Roll at start of fight phase for every enemy unit in 7". On roll they suffer d3 mortal

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>>55204013
>Then add the bodies somewhere else...
>Drop the rhinos (Why rhinos????), give the sorcerer termi armor and add some termies to go with him.
Rhinos add mobility and protect my dudes from being shot to shit, it's also an extra thing to add to target saturate my armour.

Not sure about Terminators. Cool yes but also costly. Also doesn't help with my issue of lacking bodies.

>>55204018
>Instead of 2 9-man squads you can take 2 5-man with same amount of heavy weapons, but with 1 10-man unit of normal csm more and give them 2 heavy/specials+champion or 2 5-man and it will be 2 heavy/special+2 champions.

MSU feels dumb and only having 5 guys means they're vulnerable to being turned to paste by stray bolters. An extra havoc or two even is good at chumping wounds. Again, I lack bodies. Removing bodies isn't where I think my weaknesses are.

I took havocs to specifically avoid regular marines because what's the point? They cost the same and I can take two more heavy weapons per squad.

But I will remove the Rhinos, lower the squads to 6-7 each and add in more of them.

>>55203575
>pretending

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>>55204060
>T7
>18 Wounds
>Degradation

How are non-primarch codexs supposed to compete when all of these Primarchs are finally released and running around the table.... like what the fuck am I supposed to use to stop Magnus, Guilliman, or Mortarian with Orks???

>>55204060
>only got a 3+ save

What a weenie.

>>55204132
>How are non-primarch codexs supposed to compete when all of these Primarchs are finally released and running around the table.... like what the fuck am I supposed to use to stop Magnus, Guilliman, or Mortarian with Orks???

Literally a unit of Ork Boyz with decent support?

You have one of the best Troops in the game. Use them.

>>55204132
Nobz in a 'naught

>>55204132
How do you deal with Knights now? He costs 24 PP.

>>55204132

I suspect they'll be of a mind to release characters of similar power or greater utility to other factions. Ghazzy and Abbadon are likely going to resurface in new plastic, it's just the Imperium and Chaos that are getting new stuff at the moment.

>>55204132
Prime Ghazghkul
Ha ! Fat chance, enjoy your squat

>>55204132
Been saying this since the release of Magnus.
Give "Primarch"-Tier LoW a restriction that they cant be played below atleast 2k points or give them their Own battlefield Role that needs to be slotted in at a CP

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>>55204060
>tfw the Swarmlord has more attacks and wounds morty on 3s
>tfw 20 Genestealers wound him on 5s
>tfw 12 exocrine plasma shots wound him on 4s, and reduce him to his invuln save
>tfw 60 shots rerolling all 1s from devilgaunts also wound him on 5s

MAN. I really look forward to all those smug DG players putting down their "MUH OP UNIT BRUH", calling Mortarion unkillable and all that shit.
And the look on their face when I remove him from the table game after game. I don't even care if I win or lose, I just want to see the despair in their faces

>>55203952
Surprised nobody made pictures of this

>>55203994
theyre still utter trash in both systems

>>55204175
> I don't even care if I win or lose, I just want to see the despair in their faces

Are you sure you're not a Nurglite Nid?

>>55204081
Why would they need to collect smurf geneseed?

Anyone have the mp3 for Black Legion?

>>55204132
>Still dies to endless waves of Hormagaunts and Genestealers

Don't fall for the big model meme, this is HOARD EDITION

Misspelling horde intended

>>55204072
Well the whole scale of the game dropped to make getting into it- and balancing it- easier, but o get how you feel. I like GK having all the toys, and people only want to play 2k, whereas 3k is where everything plays in. With that, here's some thoughts

>dreads should ALWAYS be venerable, and twin autocannon is legit the best option in a GK list, unless you're taking a doomglaive
>hammers on sarges is not worth it
>maybe get an ancient, they're a really good force multiplier
>the champion isn't great, niche role that honestly a strike squad could fill. If you want more HQs for CPs, take a GM in Dreadknight or Draigo. He's not bad at all, just too niche
>10-man strike squad is really good, the psybolt strat can be gamechanging with it
>I don't like LRCs personally, way too expensive where two razorbacks could do the same job cheaper, with better shooting
>either go all in with paladin hammers, or not at all.
Not a bad list per se, but not super competitive. If you like it, roll with it. Also consider playing psychic powers by ear, saying 'always hammerhand' or 'always gate of infinity' isn't the smartest plan, especially since you can only use each once per turn. They're all good, plan around that

>>55204170
Just making the Aux. LoW detachment -2 or -3 CP would help a lot.

>>55204193
They can use it to make more chaos marines, or sacrifice it to Nurgle.

>>55204175
Durability doesn't seem to be his strong suit at all, unless he's got another ability we haven't seen

He's just a decent breadstick with an aura of FUCK YOU that makes his entire any better at killing you

His mortal wound aura procs every fight phase, not just on his fight phases

So Death Guard units so far
Morty
Typhus
Lord of Contagion
Malignant Plaguecaster
Noxious Blightbringer
Tallyman
Apothecary
Marine with chem globes (Biologis Putrifier?)
Standard Bearer?
Grave Warden termies
Deathshroud termies
Plague Marines
Poxwalkers
Bloat Drones
Plagueburst Crawler tanks

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Still trying to narrow down a fun list that doesn't just get shit on. Should I try and fit a Vindicare in this list somewhere?


2k pts

Battalion

HQ
Yarrick 130
Company Commander 39
Plasma Pistol, Power Sword

Troops
Conscripts x40 120
Scions 70
2 Plasma, Plasma Pistol Power Sword
Scions 80
2 Melta, Plasma Pistol Power Sword

Elites
Platoon Commander 20
Platoon Commander 20
Veterans 81
3 Plasma
Veterans 96
3 Melta

Transport
Chimera 93
Bolter, Laser
Chimera 102
Flamer, Laser
Taurox Prime 108
Gattling Cannon, Autocannon

Spearhead

HQ
Pask 257
Punisher, Lascannon, Melta
Primaris Psyker 40pts

Heavy Support
Heavy Weapon Squad 67
Lascannon, Lascannon, Autocannon
Heavy Weapon Squad 67
Lascannon, Lascannon, Autocannon
Russ Battle Tank 178
3 Bolters
Russ Demolisher
3 Flamer
Russ Executioner
3 Plasma

>>55204199
It's no longer possible for GK to legally take a twin autocannon dreadnought.
There is no 'GK Dreadnought' unit entry in the Index.

>>55204210
I guess morty just wants some of that sweet ultrachad marines in his army too

>>55204227
>ignore wounds on a 2+

HOLY FUCK, WHY WOULD THEY PRINT THAT?

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>>55204132
Get with the times grandad, primarchs are now regularly seen on the table.

>>55204193
The main way of getting new chaos-marines is stealing Geneseed of other Marines. even then its a commodity and Fabius or Hereteks will pay nice sheckels for it

>>55204198

Mortarion literally has an anti-horde aura.

>>55204227

I think the way you're supposed to use him is in an alpha strike strategy where you fly him into the heart of a horde, his aura hurts almost everybody, and then get goes after the heart of the army while the rest of the DG clean house. Several leadership checks later, half the enemy army is gone.

His presence will force players to spread their armies out across their side if fielding hordes, or field elite-heavy compositions which would survive an alpha strike and knock Morty down to single digits in a turn.

>>55204193
It's steal the geneseed or go strike a deal with the Demonculaba

>>55204119

that's one fucking weird ass daemon world he lives on

Low units should really be restricted to 2500 point games or higher. The problem in smaller games is that the single model dominates so much that the game devolves into can you kill it before it kills your army. While this is doable it makes for a pretty boring and one sided game either way.

Fortunately I have a chill group who get this and don't bring primarchs to a 1500 point game but sadly most players in this game need GW to play daddy to their bullshit before they get in line.

If we're going by PL and Points, Mortartion should be around 475 points, which is very expensive.

He'd really need some more abilities and great stats to justify that.

That said, his mortal wounds aura does say 'the fight phase' not 'your fight phase' so it happens in both.

>>55204161
Tankbustas, but Tankbustas dont get the all important rerolls vs a Primarch liike they do vs vehicles

>>55204146
>>55204198
yeah that anti-hoard aura is really good, and with him making all my Boyz toughness 3 I can see them really mowing through him. Besides
I highly doubt 30 Boyz could cut down a Primarch in a CC even with the charge, and all the other things like Warboss, Painboy, Banner Nob. Not like that could happen anyway unless you play in tunnels

>>55204163
This is literally the only answer, but with all the fluff amping up how godly Primarchs are I cant see them turning around and making Ghazghkull into a fucking monster on their scale

>>55204060
Cool, Magnus is cheaper

>>55204274
I just find it weird that they don't use their own geneseed, considering they have alive primarchs and can just backtrack to him in case they get too mutated after too much shitty inbreeding or whatnot

>>55204281
I can't help but notice Morty's aura violently hard counters MSU if he closes in

I'm not happy about this

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>>55204250
>GW says unupdated options can still be used from index
>GK can take vendread from the index
Yeah we can

>>55204060
Neat, I wonder what save he'll have.
>2/3+
>4/5++
>4/5++ resilient
And he'll cost like 500 points, too bad. I wish all Primarchs were around bobby in size and use, W9 and such. That way T7 or more wounds or T9 would be a big deal

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>>55204292
The daemon world known as Dh'na Tae'Bul is a weird and fascinating world where extremely oversized food items descend from the warp itself to feed its inhabitants. The Iron Warriors fortify this position to ensure a constant state of fresh supplies needed for realspace raids.

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traitors think they're hot shit

Apparently it was confirmed at nova that the Lion is the next primarch. Model is done, just needs to be released

>>55204331
lol, just don't combat-squad kiddo.

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>>55204060
Hmm...
Khar usually will deal 15 damage in melee to Morty if stratagem on additional fight was used.
Dont know which warlord trait will be better, but with reroll 1's to wound or basically +4A he can easy kill Morty

>>55204281
>Mortarion literally has an anti-horde aura.
>D3 mortal wounds on a 4+ at best

Oh dear, I might lose 3 of the 20 genestealers, if my opponent has a lucky roll ! I am shaking in fear right now, how could anybody possibly handle such damage output !

Top kek. Keep dreaming chaos cuck

>>55204060
Don't yet know whether his DR is souped up or not, but so far it seems that I COULD charge him with Electropriests. Bet I can't when we see his whole statblock though, since his plague aura will kill 2/3 of a model at the start of the Scrap Phase.

>>55204072
Vehicles got way more expensive for everyone.

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>>55204132
>>55204273

What kind of primarch-tier characters will IG get? It doesn't make sense for them to have any single models as powerful as astartes primarchs, but they should have some sort of equivalence, right?

>>55204281

What happens when you combine with Poxwalkers? Zombie Horde and giant fly-guy just wrecking in melee while those his hordes of zombies kill turn into more zombies?

>>55204310
Do the maths. 30 boyz with a warboss, banner nob and a Weirdboy casting the combat buff and smite can kill Magnus. It'll kill Morty as well.

>>55204326
Thats sadly not how it works, also their primarch is a fucking Daemon now so yea.

Theres also plenty of places where Traitor Geneseed is locked up in Imperial Vaults which CSM Raid

>>55204361
Perpetuals.

>>55204361
They're called Baneblades, anon.

>>55204337

>its strange landscape is covered in pale, perfectly circular discs floating on a gray sea that stretches infinitely into the horizon

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>>55204351
Seems he has the same regular thing.

3+, 4++, 5+++

>>55204340

I hope Sanguinius is next. Who am I kidding? A Primarch killed like that isn't coming back for a while.

But who are you kidding? Of course they're bringing the whole band back, Sanguinius included.

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>>55204361

>>55203636
Please rebase them gw
They stil on 25mm

>>55204340

>chaos gets 3 primarchs

Why?

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>mortarion think he hot shit
>even with if he had 4++/4+++ disgustingly resilient, 10 hammer Paladins could kill him easily in one turn
I am the hammer, morty BTFO once again.

i really want him to have a special rule that let's Draigo kill him easier, IDK what but I'd appreciate it

>>55204361

Knights and superheavies. The Guard have warmachines, not Primarchs. Although seeing Castellan Creed become a 25ft tall monster with a crab claw for one arm and a lascannon for the other would be amusing, I don't think he's much for either range or close combat, as Guard commanders trend towards the buff/support roles.

>>55204361
As a matter of fact, they had 1, and several others variant of it.

>>55204429
Fears Draigo
Can only hit him on 6's

>>55204119

>add mobility and protect my dudes from being shot to shit

the same dudes with 48" range, a couple ablative bodies, weapons that get -1 to hit on the move and a 2+ save in cover?

Rhinos are good to ferry normal CSM and melee ones, havoks don't need them.

Either drop both for terminators or drop 1 for 2 5csm tactical squads with plasma + combi plasma (or melta+combi-melta) and a poweraxe to ride in it.

>>55204361
This is what im getting after, Guard would never have something that obscene, Tau probably not unless they pull a 7th again, Orks maybe but insanely unlikely. It's just insane to look at what Mortarion has and think "well fuck I need about another 1/3 points cost to think about touching him"

>>55204369
Again, in a vacuum, which was my point.

>>55204193
Chaos space marines can't use their own geneseed due mutation, they have to steal it, beg to Fabulous bile/some extremely resourceful darkmech to give them some the only two options.

>>55204391

Superheavy tanks =/= LoW characters. Every faction has superheavy vehicles, but so far only astartes have Godzilla-tier characters.

I imagine Necrons will get Nightbringer and Deceiver to be equivalent to these. Tau might get some kind of oversized battlesuit character? Eldar get avatar of Khaine. DEldar...I dunno. Nids will get some kind of giant bug character like Old One Eye or a Kerrigan-equivalent.

>>55204391
>No Auras to buff the army
>No special rules that make them unique or fluffy
>No lore to latch on to

Guard has heros, they just don't want them on tables.

>>55204340
>Apparently
Sauce pls

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slaanesh player what do I bring to destroy astra militarum?

>>55204429

>Not pawning him again with Draigo as it should be

peasant

>>55204432

Every faction has superheavy warmachines. Maybe if IG had a specific one that was also a character I could see it working, but "baneblade" is not equivalence, it's a substitute, and one that every faction has.

>>55204454
>Chaos space marines can't use their own geneseed due mutation

Chaos marines use their own geneseed all the time. it's just that if there's geneseed available, chaos don't particularly mind stealing it. Loyalists have a stigma against it.

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>>55204361
we don't need equivalence
The point of guard is hordes of tanks and infantry
So we do best when we have hordes of tanks and infantry
having big point-eating units defeats the purpose of why we play guard in the first place

Any news on Ad Mech codex?

>Magnus: 21 PL
>Mortarion: 24 PL
Oh boy.

>>55204372
So basically half the current marines in traitor legions are actually from loyal chapters.

>tfw you are a +10000 year old commander of the death guard and go around ordering a bunch of kiddos from salamanders, space wolves, ultramarines, whit scars, etc.

>>55204455
>Superheavy tanks =/= LoW characters

Tell you what, We can pretend your baneblade has the character keyword. Will that make you feel better?

>>55204426
I'll give you this one (you), but a Lord of Change gave up on trying to sway the Lion just as chaos gave up on trying to win him over when he was a child.
Quit memeing son

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>>55204340
> Apparently it was confirmed at nova
By who ?

>>55204426

So players switch to Chaos and buy more Chaos merch to kill BobbyG with. Then when all the Chaos factions become fully available, they swing back full Astartes and bring back the loyalists.

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Why is Creed so lackluster this ed?
Are we going to get back some kind of tank deepstrike stuff?
Yarrick at least has some cool auras but his CC is kinda weak.

>>55203833
You realize they just switched armor, right? The human still has bigger tits.

>>55204527

Some guys from a pub called "the rock"

>>55204488
Could be Yarrick on a baneblade or something dumb like that

>>55204503
What do you want to know?

>>55204450
Why would I take Chaos Space Marines when havocs cost the same, get more heavy weapons and aren't limited to squads of 10 to take two?

Just seems like a waste when I can get more autocannons and lascannons.

>>55204361
>some sort of equivalence
You mean other than super heavy tanks, super heavy flyers and titans?

>>55204536
wait for codex
I'm 90% sure they'll bring platoons back and buff creed
on another note, yarrick is the shit

>>55204536

extra CPs will be handy when IG gets their stratagems

Who controls all the orbital defenses of a hive city, such as orbital lasers? PDF? Servitors? Guardsmen?

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>>55204448
>>55204483
>10 Paladins with falchions wipe him in one turn
>put in Draigo, who does 5 wounds per round
>or smite his ass to death, roll 4+ for 3 mortal wounds per dude
>10-man strike squad souped up will do 9 wounds
>GM in Dreadknight will roast and toast off around 9 wounds as well
Sweet, my faction does what it does best. Morty actually BTFO lmao

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>>55204546
YES FUCKING PLEASE GIVE

>>55204397
OK then. Time to Maths.

Charge does 2.22 after DR
38.66 attacks do 30.07 hits and 5.01 normal damage, plus 10.02 mortal wounds, and DR takes that lot down to 10.02 wounds, 12.24 in total.

So he's on five or six wounds, and will promptly whack a few electros easily enough.
I'd say they're good enough to warrant inclusion in my normal list when I play DG frequently.

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Das it mane.

>>55204500

That was my question - guard can't logically have a Kaiju in their army, it makes no logical sense, but they should have something that kind of fills that role. Just like they had weaker command choices in 7th, but those choices were purchased as a squad of 5 instead of 1 guy.

Maybe the IG version will be a group of characters? A named superheavy tank with some kind of aura? A weak character with a doctrine that allows for replenishing reserves?

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>>55204488
>Maybe if IG had a specific one that was also a character I could see it working, but "baneblade" is not equivalence, it's a substitute, and one that every faction has.
Google "Fortress of Arrogance".

>>55204527
The dark angels rules writer, adam troke

>>55203841
I'd get 1 more start collecting box, then some trueborn with a venom.

They maybe look into some wych cult or aircraft.

>>55204060

How do you guys thing GW ruined phosphex? They probably changed it to something dumb like "wounds on a 3+"

>>55204587
>What is Baneblade and its variants

>>55204560
Different purposes. CSM are for capturing objectives held by light infantry while staying relatively cheap, while havocs are the chaos equivalent of special weapons teams.

>>55204592

A unit that no longer exists, I know what it is. I play steel legion.

Maybe they'll bring that model back, I guess it could work. Doesn't seem like it could really go toe to toe with primarchs, though. It would have to have some kind of interesting buffing aura better than the Arrogance's "gives stubborn" or whatever it was.

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>>55204538
>You realize they just switched armor, right? The human still has bigger tits.
Yes I know that, hence why big fat human tats is the correct choice in that situation...
Here is a far harder decision.

>>55204610
Yeah, they should add more rules, like roll at the beginning of your turn to see if it's particularly windy out and rules for seeing who has a respirator.

Why the hell Mortarion who was rekt by Draigo cost more than Magnus who destroys entire battlefleet after he got orbital bombarded by it?

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>>55204597
Fucking serious ?

>>55204587
there's baneblades and knights, we don't really need anymore
we have powerful characters already that give good buffs
but if we went to more powerful units than that, it'd be more expensive and would reduce greatly the amount of infantry you can bring
thus defeating the point of playing guard

>>55204547
The different forge world bonuses

>>55204636
Maybe Magnus is getting a cost hike in his codex (hopefully to 30PL/650+pts)

>>55204654
We got nothing.

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A lot of nid and gks in this thread talking about how they will "like totally rek morty" and describing their super special anti-morty units which somehow never come into contact with anyone but morty

>>55204640

Knights aren't even IG models, and every Imperial faction can take them. Baneblades are tanks, not characters, and don't confer any kind of buff or debuff like characters do. Also, a character's abilities could synergize with infantry horde rather than diminish it, like the send in next wave rule for Chenkov (I think? It's been a while) or something similar.

>>55204613
Fair point.

I'll take a normal 10 man CSM unit loaded up with plasma on top of my havocs. Should shore up on my lack of bodies nicely.

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>>55203439
oversize chain fist was my thought too.

>>55204625
Why do autists think they are ok to post shitty drawings just because they're 40k and sexualized?

Look at that fucking shit. Their proportions are completely fucked up, my eyes are bleeding.

>>55204669
t. DG player butthurt his primarch jobs to a bunch of regular dudes

>>55204693
post good porn then, if you are so great.

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Time for serious questions. Why CSM have only 2(3) robosaurus units?

>>55204633

It used to crawl around the battlefield and create dangerous terrain wherever it went.

>>55204673
AGAIN, how many times do i have to tell you
that's not what playing guard is about
accept it or switch armies

>>55204706
Bad reception.

>>55204669
Whaddya mean?

I mean of fucking course GK wreck mort, they've got universal retools to wound on him, pretty easy ways to wound on 2's (hammerhand+hammer), smite that does always 3 wounds to him, etc. plus Draigo+10 strike squad+ancient will do like 15 (!) wounds, so it's not surprising at all

>the anti-daemon army with specific abilities to tackle hulking monsters can defeat the hulking monster daemon man

>>55204705

In his defense, you don't have to be a chef to know that the food is bad. Nothing against the artist, but those proportions could use some work.

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>just starting out
>buying Space Marines for Salamanders
>also likes Orks and Imperial Guard

It's gonna be easy shopping for paint when most of it is just green.

>>55204712
I know what it did. and it was tedious as hell.

>>55204669
But anon, those aren't super special anti-morty units at all, but units that are standard inclusions in any good armylist already. People already spam Genestealers. People already spam Paladins. They don't need to change a thing to tear morty a few new assholes. People are just looking forward to a new toy they can steamroll over and more CSM tears to collect.

>>55204654
One of them gets ignores cover, and rerolls to wound against buildings.

>>55204713
This. I don't want faggy special characters.

I want men and machines. Not super-special snowflake men or super-special machines. Regular men, regular machines and lots of them.

>>55204705
>being this butthurt his shitty porn wasn't liked
Lmao what a loser. Not only are you some virgin neckbeard drawing sexualized cartoons of some obscure hobby, you suck at it too! Ahahahahahaha

>>55204361
Or you could be Grey Knight's have zero Grey Knight specific Lord of War's excluding the FW Thunderhawk.

>>55204759
>not drawing sexualized cartoons for your obscure hobby

It's like you want it to die!

>>55204566
I for one find the idea of an army that runs on CP as a semi-unique resource kind of interesting.

>>55204568
pls respond

>>55204725
>>55204747
I just think your theorycrafting leaves out the entire rest of the army, even if you do have units that would do good dmg on him in a vacuum

>>55204713

AGAIN, the theme of massed infantry and armor isn't mutually exclusive with characters that perform functions similar to these new ones in the other factions. The IG equivalent would lamost certainly have lower statlines, lower cost, and focus on providing army-wide buffs that emphasize weight of numbers instead of being an individual combat monster.

Creed, for example, was a fairly expensive unit who was just a T3 guy that gave lots of orders and could infiltrate any unit. Perfectly thematic. There was another character that made an entire unit outflank. There was another that made a unit respawn after being completely destroyed.

No one is suggesting IG need a primarch, I just think they need something that fills a similar role and isn't an unnamed superheavy tank. Think Solar Macharius or something.

>>55204794
Ad Mech

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How a Knight charging a 1 wound Gulliman fight looks

>>55204789
Okay loser ahahahahahahahaha

I mean you're already a beta manlet drawing that shit, you could at least put in the effort to not make people who see it go fucking blind LOL

>>55204681

2 5m can load up more plasmas or meltas

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>>55204815
Problem solved, no need to thank me.

>>55204790

Right now you can field armies with over 20 CP at 2k points in IG

>>55204830
OMG you're blind, I feel so sorry for your inability to type bantz anymore.

>>55204725
>>55204703
>>55204747
>forgetting Mortarion will be protected by his Deathshroud terminators and pox-walkers

Is there any fundamental difference between Chaos servitors and regular ones?

Also, do CSM still employ serfs?

>>55204756
Here's the stats
there's 49 available units in the IG index
out of those there's:
8 baneblade variants (15-20%)
7 special characters
you add them up, you get 15 very powerful units
out of 49
30% of our available units are either super powerful characters or deathstar tanks
that's waaaay more than you need for an army that's supposed to be a swarm of nameless faces

>>55204842

>unnamed, non-character, non-IG fortification available to all factions

I wasn't going to thank you, don't worry

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>>55204852
Yeah but all you can really spend them on is rerolls and the occasional Ogryn counterattack. I expect their stratagems to be dank nasty to compensate.

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>>55204815
>>55204869
refer to this

>>55204875
Woke up a bit slow today did we?

>>55204869
>IG Characters
>Powerful
Pick one.

>>55204887
Maybe other people haven't seen it yet.

>>55204875
Interesting that you fucks keep posting it thinking its new.

>>55204804
Well sure, but that's not something I can play out all like that.

Like GK already do really well against death Guard, the bloat drone is easy to kill with most things, assault cannons or incinerators (hell, even some storm bolters) demolish poxwalkers, plague marines are easy to kill with psybolts, and anything else you just bury under a mound of storm bolter, smite, and falchions.

The problem I foresee with mort is an inverse Magnus one- because he's not super OP hard to kill, people will want to put him behind chaff, but if they do they lose all his death aura usefulness, and really all his value.

Unless he has a +1 to disgustingly resilient within 7" (which isn't impossible, I merit) he's just got a shitty pistol and a psychic power or two. And even then, the guy will be at least a knight in cost for just being mowed down by any of the heavy hitters

>>55204854
>gets laughed at for his shambolic performance
>destroyed on his pathetic excuses
>y-you c-cant t-type bantz p-please s-stop! Ahahahahahhahahahahahaha

>>55204887
>Death Guard
>Initiative 3

>>55204867
Yes, yes, some have daemons inside.

>>55204852

I have done this, and it's not as great as it sounds. You just don't have enough opportunities to use those rerolls when you are restricted to 1 per phase unless you start throwing them at junk.

>>55204908
Its already been posted twice in the thread you twat
>At least if he checks itll mean he read the fucking thread

>>55204925

The whole point is, dex stratagems will be a massive boon to IG

>>55204918
>This is all I have now.

>>55204901
powerful as in buffs

>>55204794
Who mans them?
Depends on the place. PDF, Ad Mech, Guard, servitors, serfs, automated systems, marines.

Who is in charge of them?
Depends on the place.
PDF, Guard, marines, local nobility, ad mech, etc.

Qualify your question.

>>55204908
Read the thread you blind tard.

>>55203731
he went out to buy a pack of smokes

>>55204970
No u

>>55204815
>Creed, for example, was a fairly expensive unit who was just a T3 guy that gave lots of orders and could infiltrate any unit. Perfectly thematic. There was another character that made an entire unit outflank. There was another that made a unit respawn after being completely destroyed.
All better suited to stratagems in IG.

>>55204916
Yeah, I don't plan on buying him for exactly those reasons. What weaknesses do you see in your gk armies from mixed CSM? I haven't seen a single gk in my area

>>55204869

>IG characters

Are we calling Straken or Yarrick high-tier characters now? Every codex has these. Lysander. Dante. Calgar. Shrike. It's not the same thing, man.

>>55203427
What's a fear build?

>>55204692
MY BROTHER.

>>55204833
They can but I can't afford it in a 2k list.

>>55203063
>that meme triggers me
Why would anybody marry a sister if they were xenophiliacs? There are more aliens than adeptas in the whole universe and they're easy. Hell, you could probably capture one and keep it as a pet if you are a filthy fetishist. So why pretend the piety?

>>55204869
>30% of our available units are either super powerful characters or deathstar tanks
Exactly. So the last thing we need is more faggy characters.

Also, you forgot to include the FW index. Are you poor?

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>want to advance my AdMech army
>be poorfag
>new codex soon
Fuck. My. Life.

At least I can hope to brew some lists whenever someone uploads the codex anywhere. At least I can dream...
;_;

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>>55205010
AYY LMAO, lets fug.

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>>55204361
>Lord solar Macharius returns
>He was actually in the ghoul stars all along
>His "death" was just a really bad case of imperial bourocracy, imperial record keeping and freaky ghoul stars hazards

>>55205008

You don't need the 2nd rhino

>>55205005
icon of despair on night lords raptors

>>55205015

>Yarrick is super-powerful
>Just as powerful as Mortarion, Magnus, or Guilliman

ok

>>55204863
Again, quite a lot of the things that excel at killing the Big M aren't going to have much difficulty killing a round of Terminators either. Poxwalkers are more problematic, but small arms fire will whittle away at them all game.

Take my preferred "20 Fulgurites" method. That'll wipe fifteen Poxwalkers on the charge, or 5 Deathshroud assuming they're T5 5++ DR W2.
Sure, Morty will then kick the shit out of them, but that's what I have heug guns for, and they're hardly useless if M is not there. You can't assign a bunch of extra troops to bodyguard duty and then disregard that the enemy is also allowed to take an army.

>>55204925
>implying they won't give great strats in the Codex
However, rumor is GW is going to put the boot down on scripts hard, loss of <regiment> has been mentioned a lot which would fix most stuff, and I heard once or twice (I think it was frontline so grain of salt) that testers have a "morale over (x) shrugs off commissar" thing.

Which I'm fine with, losing <regiment> would be perfect- no orders, no Guard tactics, and if the other stuff is true you need <regiment> keyword to get obsec troops.

>>55205059
The purpose of the regular marines is to be field-running objective takers. If I have a 5 man unit without a rhino it's not going to do that.

In which case it's better camping an objective. So I can take havocs instead that do the job better.

>>55205065
Of course he isn't and why would we want that when we could be getting improved tanks or artillery or stratagems?

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>>55205060
>brother what's that?
>N-nothing.
>is that a banner, let me see, is it for Curze?
>N-no.
>come on man, it's not stealthy but at least let me see it
>N-no!
>What the fuck man, is this Nurgle's symbol? Did you start worshiping him?
>No! I'm just borrowing it from a friend!
>Man, you used to be cool, now your just some God's bitch.

>>55205083

I'm pretty sure guards will have tactics even if they have non-regiment units (if those unit cannot have the regiment keyword)

ie: commissars, scions, auxillia, techpriest, primaris psyker and possibly post-nerf conscripts.

>>55204536
Isn't Creed chilling in Trazyn's pokeball?

>>55205073
>disregard that the enemy is also allowed to take an army.
You mean exactly what
>>55204725
>>55204747
>>55204429
>>55204578
did

>>55205083

I'm also fine with my conscripts getting nerfed. They aren't fun to play when everyone hates them. I just hope GW doesn't overdo it and make them completely worthless.

>>55205108
Because there is no reason not to embody those in an interesting centerpiece unit like Macharius or something similar.

>>55205091

You can have 2 5m units share the same rhino, disembark on opposite sides and take 2 separate objectives.

>>55204994
try to down a squad of 50 conscripts with yarrick nearby
you'll see
maybe their buffs and stats are meh with other armies but they synergize extremely well with guard units when you play them properly
take a squad of 50
T2 hit on 5 S3 L6
put yarrick and a platoon commander
they now shoot 4 times each, reroll 1s, leadership 9 and can't take more than a single casualty from morale
conscripts ate 3 pts a piece
i add another squad for 150 and up the platoon commander to company commander for 10 pts, doubling everything i just said

>>55205155

at that point, might as well add straken and a priest

Have anyone pic of new DG tank?

>>55205153
>Because there is no reason not to embody those in an interesting centerpiece unit like Macharius or something similar.
Except for that being a shit idea when all of the suggestions for buffs/abilities are things that would be better as stratagems since they are merely an operational issue.

Keep your special characters to yourself.

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>>55205187
From ages ago, all we have.

>>55205182
that's 440 points i have
i can still add a bunch of russes

>>55204993
It's weird, all my games against CSM and daemons have gone really well. Brims get put in the dirt by smite spam, stormbolters can cut chaff to pieces, and the niche murder things haven't really worked on me. Killing their tough stuff hasn't been that hard, and most of the time they waste tons of fire on Paladins (especially D2 weapons, don't do that) only for the apothecary to heal them and just march onward,

Khorne bezerkers are what I'd go with- loads of attacks with AP-1 and wounding on 3's, plus rerolls can be gotten easily.

Avoid <daemon> like the plague, GK have such an easy time killing them it's not even funny. If you can find a decent amount of D3 that's good too, D2 (plasma) is what people usually bring and needing 2 shots per paladin brings it to nothing ASAP.

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>>55204729
I get that.

>>55205153
>Because there is no reason not to embody those in an interesting centerpiece unit like Macharius or something similar.
>no reason
Having that ability locked to a particular regiment is utter shit.

>>55205154
Oh shit, I forgot units can share Rhinos now. It's like a makeshift Combat Squad.

I'll have two 5 man units instead.