/CofD/ & /wodg/ Chronicles of Darkness and World of Darkness

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Hunter 2e soon, hunterfriends.

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>>55198546
>Bad Crossovers.png
>Bad
Pic related, its you.

>>55198475
Changeling Supremacy

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What kind of development hell is Geist in? It's been progressing through the dev stages, basically unremarked, and DaveB has occasionally mentioned a few tidbits of what is and isn't going to be in core, expansions, etc. But there's been absolutely no preview material. By this stage of Changeling 2e we had enough that you probably could have just run a Changeling in another game with the material available.

Getting increasingly nervous since I made a "mortal" character in a multi-splat who is the most narratively foreshadowed fuck in all existence to become a Sin Eater at some point and after like 6 months of play we've just started on an underworld arc. I'm not sure I can avoid gaining a major template for much longer, so far I've been subsisting by being literally too oblivious to be made a vampire by the Daeva I got a job working for.

World and chronicle of darkness are dead. A shame.

>>55199279
ssshhhhhh, it's bedtime. the magefags are asleep.

MYSTERY CULTS? Mystery cults!

I think The Night Shift from 1d4chan works well as a mystery cult - random night shift workers being inducted after part of the Weird wanders into their stores. Libraries in storage lockers around the city, late afternoon meetings-cum-support group.

I like using hunters in my Mage games as means and fuel for mage proxy-wars. Every Order has it's own pet cells for harrassing enemies, Banishers and Scelesti love to subvert cells and turn them into their own little cults, and Seers grow a whole conspiracies to target enemies of the Throne. Average hunter can be surprisingly dangerous if he is buffed with non-obvious Shielding spells and given the right Conditions.

http://theonyxpath.com/tumbledown-market-changeling-the-lost/

I hope the rest of the book is like this. That's a great representation of what I'd want a Goblin Market-cum-Freehold to be.

>>55199596
>gay changeling shit

gay

>be a mage
>find a Daeva
>repeatedly feed them your blood, thus creating a second degree Vinculum (while using a cup for the blood as to not be bound in return)
>the Daeva is now your agent
>infiltrates the Vampire society
>repeat x times
>gradually subvert and reduce vampiric influence to nil

Vampires may be a vermin and thus hard to exterminate directly, but God Almighty that lives in Aether works in mysterious ways and I am His servant.

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>>55199797
>undermining vampires
>not outright obliterating them

>>55199825
And God said: thou shall not suffer a leech to live. But he also bids us to be good to our fellow man. Given how deep has the vampiric influence penetrated into our society, it is safer for human beings who could be caught in the crossfire, if vampiric influence is first eroded from the inside and they are subsequently removed from power, replaced by loyal servants of the Awakened.


Than we can burn them.

>>55199797
>>repeatedly feed them your blood, thus creating a second degree Vinculum (while using a cup for the blood as to not be bound in return)
Wait...given that your blood will give the Leech Mage Sight and make them experience the Supernal Realm you Awakened too...wouldn't you need to wait for them to come down between doses?

Also given that you mentioned the Aether I figure the Daeva will have horrible depression because he was met by the Angels and found wanting.

Congratulations you just broke your mole and made them unusable!

>>55200346
>wouldn't you need to wait for them to come down between doses?
Which would probably be a few minutes. Mage Sight can only be kept active for a number of minutes equal to the Mage's Gnosis. You also don't see Supernal entities when using Mage Sight. Well, maybe in Focused Mage Sight, but I forget.

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Tel Aviv and Jerusalem should be given as detailed sample cities for more games than just Demon

So does Mind 3's Universal Language let you write/speak those languages, or just comprehend?

>>55200385
So this where Leeches tripping out would get screwy.

Do you base the time the Leech spends in the trip on your Gnosis or their Gnosis equivalent?

>>55200463
Your Gnosis, because outside of mechanics their "Gnosis equivalent" is no such thing.

>>55200483
Thanks for clearing that up.

for vtes stuff
>>55200337

Well, I finished Awakening 2e. Neat stuff, sounds like a really fun time provided you wind up with a decent group and a creative ST. What should I read next? I'm thinking Forsaken, but what about the regular core? How essential is that?

>>55200395
just comprehending would be knowing, since its weaving i would say it also allows you to write/speak them, it says you can translate spoken,written, blah blah so to be able to do that you need to work with both languages.

>>55200809
Mummy, see how a really good concept got fucked by stupid writing.

>>55200821
I already tried reading Mummy. It caused me pain on a physical level. I could only make sense of like, 1 in every 10 pages.

>>55200395
If it's Weaving then you're altering the capabilities of your own mind, so I would say you get total understanding, fluent speech, writing and all. As the other anon said, just comprehending and understanding would be Knowing.

>>55200346
>tfw the Septemi were probably created as a result of some poor leech drinking blood of a high Gnosis Obrimos (just look at Abjurism, disrupting supernatural effects, as Prime does, and aspiring to your Virtues would rather fit that narrative)

Although I don't know how their "Virtues" fit into 2E. Maybe they *do* have them (and Vices too). That would be neat.

On that note, what would be the Bloodlines inspired by other Paths?

>>55200809
It's not crucial. Go ahead and read Forsaken.

>>55200928
>Although I don't know how their "Virtues" fit into 2E. Maybe they *do* have them (and Vices too). That would be neat.
In 2e the Virtue and Vice of the Kindred are called the Mask and Dirge.

>>55199797
Only the blood of vampires creates Vinculum...
You're a retard

Demon in the Vatican under Alexander VI (aka Rodrigo Borgia)
Great idea or awesome idea ?

>>55201263
So this would mean the Septimi try to make their Masks the Truth of their Being.

...Which Clan did they originate from in 1E?

>>55201282
>You're a retard
No he just chose Mental as his third block for chargen.

>>55201282
>>55201364
>You're a retard

No, I just know the effects of the Daeva bane, that's why I chose them and not another clan as an example. Read the goddamn book. Retard.

>>55201263
I know, but I was under the impression that Mask and Dirge were somewhat removed from humanity and therefore not the same as Virtue and Vice. Dave even mentioned how mages are quintessentially human and so get to keep Virtue and Vice, just like regular mortals do.

>>55201332
>...Which Clan did they originate from in 1E?
Daeva.

>>55201428
>I know, but I was under the impression that Mask and Dirge were somewhat removed from humanity and therefore not the same as Virtue and Vice.
Clearly this is why experiencing the Supernal after drinking Mage Blood is horrible for Vampires.

It's why the Angels find you wanting, it's why the Demons of Pandemonium have such an interest in you...it's why Arcadia gives you so much shit. All because you aren't really human any more

Are the OPP forums taking a shit or something?

>>55201473
You don't really get how Mage Sight works, do you? To get the attention of the Supernal, you would need Focused Mage Sight. Which would be impossible for a vampire to use period, let alone while tripping balls.

>>55201800
Is this even a thing in 2e, drinking mage blood = tripping balls?

Wasnt it only in masq, was it even in 1e (other than that shit "the blood" book?

>>55201800
>You don't really get how Mage Sight works, do you?
Not really.

I thought drinking Mage Blood gave Mage Sight though.

Maybe I was thinking of Peripheral Mage Sight.

>>55201428
Clearly you don't know shit about Vinculum and the Daeva clan bane. It causes the persistent condition Dependent, not a Vinculum.
It also specifically says that it only applies to mortals. Mages are not mortals, they are a separate splat, and thus do not create dependence for Daevas.
You're a double-retard.

>>55201822
I haven't come across it yet. Still, sounds neat.

>>55201925
>inb4 muh lawnchair

>>55198967
You could wing it with the 1e rules and just update it when 2e finally comes out. It's sort of what I'm doing with imbued items in my mage game.

>>55201822
Its the only place in any VtR material where it suggests what happens when you drink blood of other supernaturals in any detail, in 2e they talk vaguely about blood contamination affecting you but give no guidelines. So unless we get a sidebar in a DE book or future vampire one it is all we really have to work with in any specificity.

>>55201925
Not this again.
Lookup what mortal means.
Mages are mortal.

DaveB has even said so.

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>>55201925
Read this and choke on it.

>>55202205
Well 2e uses that differentiation all the time and it's not mentioned in the errata, so yeah. Fix it, Dave.

>>55202271
What?

Mage uses sleeper to distinguish between mortals and mages, because both are mortals.

If other 2e books say mortal, it includes mages.

>>55202390
Mages and non mages even.

>>55202390
Awakening 2e uses "mortal" to differentiate Sleepers and Mages multiple times.

"Since Alexander, the Arrow has ensconced itself within
Sleeper societies. Rather than celebrating them or manipulating
them, the Arrow allowed its members to choose to fight for mortal
ideals and causes."
p.37

"Nameless mages embraced Fallen fashions
and technology as praxes, and were deeply
entrenched in mortal culture and fundamentally opposed to the
attitudes of the Diamond."
p.51

"Occasionally, objects from various portions of the Temenos
become visible in LA. Everyone can see these manifestations,
and they do not cause Quiescence. Mortals can remember them
as clearly as mages."
p.270

"If the being exists as a god or legend, it’s irrelevant, because it
has no noticeable effect on daily life, and no voice, mortal or
Awakened, can influence it in any way."
p.277

Those are just the obvious ones found by searching the document for "mortal".

>>55202506
Using mortal interchangeably to mean sleeper or mage is fine, whats your fucking point?

Your just butthurt you were wrong.

>>55202534
>whats your fucking point?
That the book uses mortal to differentiate between Mages and Sleepers multiple times.

>Your just butthurt you were wrong.
"You're". And wrong about what? I never claimed Mages weren't mortal. I'm a different anon.

>>55202566
Last resort of somebody who got owned. Nitpick grammar.

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>>55202584
Owned how?

>>55202642
Nice edgy black background Reddit snowflake

Mages who claim to be human are otherkin. Humankin to be precise.

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Can Mages kill servants?

>>55203214
Don't remember the anime power levels too well, but iirc Mages would be Casters while the Magi would be hedge wizards.

Scooby-Doo as a mystery cult.

"The Mystery Crew"
Purpose: Solve mundane mysteries masquerading as paranormal activities
Relic: A van that always seems to break down by a "haunted" locale
Doctrine: Copious consumption of cannabinoids, running from people in halloween costumes, etc.

Rank• (Greyhound merit; exceptional success on 3 on chase rolls)
Rank••(Eye for the Strange merit)
Rank••• (A dot in Investigation)
Rank••••(Omen sensitivity)
Rank•••••(Psychometry)

Can a dedicated tool be anything?

>>55203740
Yes.

A dedicated tool can be potentially anything. However if you want to use it for other purposes it needs to resonate with the supernal symbology.

So if a Free Council Moros could use a yo-yo to get -2 to the paradox pool but not much else.

But a Thyrsus Adamantine Arrow could use a hunting knife as potentially 3 yantras (dedicated tool, Path tool, Order tool)

>>55203740
Yes..even if all you have as a Hammer, two screwdrivers and a set of pliers.

Yes, this is an obvious reference to GaoGaiGar, no I don't really care if anyone complains.

>>55204005
Okay, and if I take the Professional Training merit, do I take two dots of Contacts from one source, or do I take it twice with each one a different source relating to the profession?

>>55204005
>But a Thyrsus Adamantine Arrow could use a hunting knife as potentially 3 yantras (dedicated tool, Path tool, Order tool)
Now this is knife!

>>55204237
I take it you could get an additional Yantra with Dedicated Tool if the knife was part of your personal Legacy as well?

>>55204237
What's the most yantras you can have? 5 right?

>>55204131
"take it twice with each one a different source relating to the profession"

That one. Remember you only need 1 dot in contacts to gain access to a group. Additional dots only represent other groups you can use for intel.

>>55204400
There's a cap on how many you can incorporate into a spell (based on Gnosis) and you can never get above a +5 bonus using them. I think you can have as many as you like, although only one can be a Dedicated Tool.

>>55204400
6 with gnosis 9-10

>>55204453
Cool, thanks.

>>55204400
I think so...but then I'm one of those people who has no clue how the heckie Yantras even work, so i could be talking out my arse.

But yeah, 5 is probably it.

Now I'm just imagining a Thyrsus Arrow from the Ghurka...which is probably a terrible concept but what the heck do I know?

>>55204481
Meant for >>55204447

For anyone interested I am running a Vampire Dark Ages game set in Rome 1080 AD.
The party is mostly noble and well intentioned so let that guide your character concepts.
Here is the link to the roll20:
https://app.roll20.net/join/2419698/atgwyA

>>55204400
You can have as many yantras as you like. You can only use as many per that spell as your gnosis allows.

Gnosis 1-2 (2 yantras)
Gnosis 3-4 (3 yantras)
Gnosis 5-6 (4 yantras)
Gnosis 7-8 (5 yantras)
Gnosis 9-10 (6 yantras)

>>55204453
Its max +5 after penalties.

You could have 5 yantras giving +9 and have a -4 penalty from spell factors.

>>55204453
Ok so using that Thrysus adamantine as an example you can get the plus 2 from high speech

>>55204513
Just a little more info, games are at 19:00 GMT+2

>>55204295
Sure why not. However there are other yantras that will give you a lot more bang for you buck.

Using potentially 4 yantras for +3 dice -2 paradox dice isn't always optimal.

>>55204565
Sure. Remember when instant casting you may only use 1 yantra per turn reflexively. And you can't use High Speech for a spell you cast the same turn you use it.

>>55204588
Mudras from rotes being the biggest bang for your buck. Pick a decent skill, start with 4 and try to align order specialised skill for another +5 and bingo a +5 yantra.

Never actually played Aw 2e
How bad does paradox fuck you up if you use magic in the presence of sleepers ?
Do they have to actually see you use obvious magic, or just be around ?
Can paradox hit you by proxy (if sleepers see video footage of magic use, for example) ?

>>55204714
Paradox has been completely neutered.

>>55204714
The biggest source of paradox would be over reaching at early levels but even than you can usually just contain the paradox

Don't forget that each yantra after the first still takes an additional turn to employ, even if it's the same object.

>>55204733
That's why I use homerules for it. As it is now, Paradox isn't even worth spending time on it.

>>55204847
That's retarded

>>55204733
No its not, magic in front of sleepers will escalate fast, esp since it'll start at 1 (with 8-9-rote actions) depending on number of sleepers, then +1 per spell.

Pretty certain people saying paradox is neutered have never used it in 2e.

>>55204733
>>55204753
So, what does it actually do ?
What do you risk in the worst cases ?

>>55204847
It;s time to show time what time it is!

>>55204714
They have to see obvious magic
Not by proxy no. But sleepers can end your spell early if its obvious and they hang around long enough.

You guys know of any site where you can play CWoD? There's not enough people around me to play.

>>55204935
To not make your spell go wild and target the wrong people, or whatever you are going to have to eat it and maybe take some resistant damage.

If you get enough paradox dice and dont eat them as potential damage then the ST gets to fuck with your spell, give you conditions and even summon abyss spirits.

using magic away from sleepers and using rotes etc is pretty paradox free, once the shit hits the fan and you start casting in front of them, without rotes and shit, it can hit the fan pretty quickly.

I'm feeling as creatively bankrupt as a Call of Duty scriptwriter, /wodg/. Give me an interesting gimmick for my D:tD city, like how Seattle has the alternate timelines and NYC reshapes itself.

>>55205046
Which city are you using?

>>55204981
google roll20

>>55204968
>>55205024
That seems pretty tame

>>55204714
>How bad does paradox fuck you up if you use magic in the presence of sleepers ?
Adds a die and qualities like Rote, 9-again or 8-again, depending on how many Sleepers witness it. A Mage can spend Mana to mitigate the Paradox pool, but still can't spend more Mana in a turn than his Gnosis limit. Using a Dedicated Tool as a Yantra takes 2 off the pool. You can contain Paradox by rolling your Wisdom against it, and every success on your Wisdom roll counters a success on the Paradox roll. Each countered success hits you with 1 resistant bashing damage, and if you take more than your Stamina in bashing damage you get the Beaten Down tilt, which means you have to spend one Willpower each to perform any action that could qualify as hostile, or otherwise fighting back. Uncountered successes can give you a Paradox Condition, which can mean things like you have to roll Paradox for every spell, or you're unable to contain it, or whatever your ST wants. Spending more than your free Reach on a spell adds your Gnosis to the pool for every Reach the limit. So for a Gnosis 1 Mage this might mean two extra Reach just adds 2, while for a Gnosis 3 Mage it would be 6.

>>55204883
What are your homerules? What would make Paradox ideal for you?

>>55205082
Miami, I know it's supposed to be a Changling city but fuck it. I wanted Miami Vice with Demons.

>>55205146
You roll a d20 on a 1 nothing happens while on a 2-19 the spell doesn't work. On a 20 an abyssal entity is summoned and attacks you.

>>55205146
After each vulgar spell (spell which caused Paradox) all spells within the same scene have constant Paradox risk, which grows with each spell. That makes my players wary of Paradox risks: if they need to use several spells within the scene, vulgar spells become bad choice.

>>55198967

The development hell is "Changeling is slated to come out first." Changeling took a long time, and now it needs to wait it's turn for a Kickstarter, one that will determine whether Geist 2e gets a KS.

>>55205157
For some reason in Miami infrastructure has a rat problem. No matter what the machine builds or where it sets it up interlopers from spirits to other splats to literal impossible rat swarms keep fucking setting up shop in it. Angels sent on constant cleaning jobs fall at an unusually high rate as the banality and weird mystery of it gets to them.

So the city is awash in Angels but they're busy all the time letting the Demon agencies move in leading to a chaotic spy zone. Hooky enough?

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>thread of horror in mage games
>a car accident
>a mage created hiv
>mage killed someone with shotgun
>soldier who thinks he's going to turn into baddie
>encountering the fallen world
>the orders

>>55205255
Wait isn't that how it already works?

>>55204898
If only mages had some way of circumventing the rules of nature. Perhaps some sort of Time manipulation.

>>55205620
It's close, but in RAW it's every Paradox roll in a scene gets +1 after the first. He says every spell does it after a Paradox roll.

>>55205643
Clearly the best way to build on this is to make your Thyrsus Arrow a member of a Time Ruling Legacy.

That way he won't have to worry about this sort of thing.

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Made a character for Awakening 2e. Hope I did this .pdf shit right or this will be embarrassing. And as a fun little thing, see what you can piece together of his backstory and personality from the information on the sheet, because nearly everything is tied to them. Feel free to critique, bully, or point out if I did anything wrong.

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>>55206423
>gnosis 1

>>55205684
A personal favorite of mine is doing the group Paradox rules from Armory: Reloaded.

>>55203214
Awakening magic is more versatile than Fate magic, so yes. A single Unmaking Rote would fuck up even Gilgamesh.

>>55206584
All mages start with Gnosis5 and twenty arcane

>>55206774
To unmake a servant you would need a 5 In spirit, fate and prime.

>>55207249
Servants aren't spirits in Awakening terms.

Fate might not even be needed, maybe.
Prime seems pretty conclusive.

Forces could do it, eradicating all conceivable energy.

>>55207209
...Acanthus with Mind in the Arrow is still better than that nonsense

Basically he'd use his knowledge of Time, Fate and Mind to become really good at mundane swordfighting.

>>55207507
>Playing an animu character
Neck yourself

>>55207560
>>Playing Gomez Addams as a Mage
No, I don't think I will.

>>55207301
Technically wouldn't servants be Goetia? I remember that one samurai servant being summoned just because he made enough of an impact on the collective consciousness of humanity or whatever. He was from a video game.

>>55207507
You'd have to ask yourself how he would really do that. Consider the spells, when and where he would cast them, what kind of duration he would need to stay effective, etc. Also the number of active spells he can hold. You might be better off just making a Mastigos with the Onikaze Legacy.

Anyone have any good ideas for an Obrimos legacy with Death Ruling that has a reason to hunt the undead like vampires, mummies, zombies, etc.?

>>55207635
Servants strike me as Goetia more than anything, yes.

>>55207730

Wizard Cops

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Zw58knC9zI

Also, what are the chances the new WIll Smith movie, Bright, will have some decent inspiration for CofD?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=giozR7nb51c

Any cool Freehold Court ideas?
Here is mine:
Public Service Courts
Transportation, Education, Healthcare, Libraries, and Cemeteries.
Courts of Art Mediums
Paintings, Statues, Music, Literature, and Plays.

>>55207884
>Bright

I think you mean Shadowrun

>>55207947
Culinary Courts
Salad, Soup, Main, Dessert, Snack

>>55207957
>I think you mean Shadowrun

#OrcLivesMatter

>>55205243
Get the fuck out you d&d faggot.

>>55208338
>#OrcLivesMatter

No, they do not.

>>55207947
>Courts of Art Mediums
I can see it right before my eyes:
>Court of Plays in civil war about a group wanting Performance Art to be its own court.
>Cold war between Plays and Literature about what the important thing in a play is: the text or the performance.
>Courts of Paintings and Statues look down on all the non-representative courts, ignoring dissenting voices in their own ranks.
>Court of Music pulling the strings.

>>55207720
>Anyone have any good ideas for an Obrimos legacy with Death Ruling that has a reason to hunt the undead like vampires, mummies, zombies, etc.?

Do Obrimos really need Death in order to hunt walking undead kindling?

>>55198475
>Have you praised the Komodo Exarch today?

I think DaveB is an edgelord.

>>55208774
>inb4 magefags go nuts

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Hey /CofD/ & /WoDg/, need some help with making a Dark Ages character for V:TM, a Knightly Tzimisce. I've been looking up various subjects but I'm having trouble pinpointing things exactly to use.
Any of you History buffs knowledgeable on southeastern European history in the 11th or 12th century that can point me to right places to check out or any tips I could use for things I should consider or look out for?

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>>55208774
>I think DaveB is an edgelord.

Edgelord or not, he's the Mage developer (and writes for nearly everything) and therefore makes the rules. You might loath Dave, but his CofD authority and insight is undeniable.

>I, for one, welcome our Reptilian Overlord

>And, speaking of the Wisdom of Dave, hopefully he'll expound on whether Prime Shielding works against non-Supernal supernatural and magical effects.

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>>55208905
>inb4 magefags go nuts

Meh, most of us were Mage fans before DaveB was developer, and will remain fans after his inevitable departure.

It's nice to see a developer like Dave who truly loves the line and the CofD in general, is a talented and creative writer, and who regularly interacts with fans. However, Mage is not dependent on Dave.

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Acanthus shits all over the entire changeling splat upon awakening
>Walk into Arcadia.
>Take over the roles of Story Heroes.
>Lord all over True fae in their own realm.
>Walk back into reality
>Spend the rest of career doing it all over again
>in front of everyone
>Going slow enough to show everyone their work
>when they can easily fast forward
>Deleting changeling Powers on a whim
Acanthus literally cuck themselves to make it more 'fair' for changelings

>>55209066
His authority is equal to every other cofd dev. He is just Loudmouth.

>>55209066
>whether Prime Shielding works against non-Supernal supernatural and magical effects


If Prime Shielding only works on supernatural magic, Wards and Signs appears to be the limit of the Practice. That would seem to contradict Prime Armor and be ridiculously narrow and niche.

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>>55208947

>dat pic

Oh god, I was the one who cut out that pic for the White Wolf wiki. Using frickin' MS Paint of all things.

I cringe everytime I see it, and I'm almost tempted to buy the new Onyx Path VtM Dark Ages pdf JUST so I can cut-paste better images onto the wiki ._.

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REEEEE
Signs of Sorcery when?
REEEEE

>>55209431
>Oh god, I was the one who cut out that pic for the White Wolf wiki. Using frickin' MS Paint of all things.
Were you really? Haha, that's quite the coincidence. I literally just got it off google for the post I made because I've seen it before and figured it might be fitting to use.

>>55209373
>His authority is equal to every other cofd dev.

Not when it comes to Mage.

There's also a reason why he's an author on nearly everything and is chosen for things like writing the Mage / Mummy crossover material.

>He is just Loudmouth

Stating things you don't like or want does not equal "loudmouth."

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REEEEE
Mage FAQ when?
REEEEE

>>55209472
>Signs of Sorcery when?

Don't ask, it seems to be a sore subject with Dave.

He did mention that now that the Deviant outline is done and approved and he's awaiting first drafts, he can again focus on Mage. Hopefully SoS will be released "soon," although even if "development" were done today, we still need to wait for editing, art, layout and multiple layers of approvals.

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>>55209472
>>55209566
dumb komodo posters

>>55209568
OPP's "Soon™" seems to be the same as classic Blizzard "Soon™"

>>55209566
>Mage FAQ when?

Never. It's not a paid project, and "fans" managed to really piss off Dave by constantly demanding it. I assume the promised legacy conversions and antagonist material cut from the core will also remain vaporware.

>>55209611
Dumb frogposter

>>55209642

Frogfag is just green with Mage envy.

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>>55209675
>Implying Kek isn't an Archmage

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>>55209736

>>55209066
>You might loath Dave, but his CofD authority and insight is undeniable.

Yeah no, if the faggots of WW and their "authority" didnt meant shit on the revised era´s "you are playing wrong" fuck Dave and his mage loving ways.

>>55209502
>There's also a reason why he's an author on nearly everything and is chosen for things like writing the Mage / Mummy crossover material.

Because is the only writer that accepts hugs from Ritch as payment?

>LaughingDaveB.jpg

>>55200393
Does Phil Brucato have influence on nWoD publishing? If so, then that's why.

>>55209849
>>55209893

Again, you can houserule anything you wish. However, all the CofD games have an a design intent and actual canon rules. Simply because you might not like certain settings or rules, doesn't mean there's actually anything wrong with them or the developer or authors. With respect to Mage, you might have notices that a lot of people like it just the way it is. If you don't, that's fine, it's impossible to please everyone.

>Maybe you should stick to D&D or Shadowrun

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>>55209954

Jews tired of repeated attempted genocide, discrimination and harassment who support a homeland where they've lived since before Islam ever existed are apparently far too triggering for many of the far-left snowflakes at OPP and its fans.

Brucato comparing Zionists to ISIS speaks volumes.

>>55209849
>fuck Dave and his mage loving ways.
Maybe all this whining about supposed special treatment would actually be more than salty tears if these games had player crossover as a design intent at all.

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>>55210077
>Implying the Jews aren't evil

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>>55210077

Ah shucks, I thought we were getting a little better there for a while.

>>55210280
It's a rollercoaster.

>>55198967
I don't think Geist is in development hell compared to the other books on their way. The dev has just been quiet about besides posting teasers on the forum.

What did DaveB say about the book?

>>55210368
>what does dave think of geist?

"lawn chairs"

>>55210339
Really? Because it seems like its been just the same things day in day out for nearly half a year now

>>55210339
>rollercoaster

Rollercoasters are fun.

>>55210387
>>55210387
>what does dave think of geist?

Dave seems to be really excited about all the new ghost and related setting material.

>Probably because it expands the options for mages

>>55209502
Because they are a small group and he was probably the only one who wanted to touch mage/mummy with a ten foot pole?

>>55210564

Well if I recall he made a full template for playing ghosts in Geist 2e. I'd imagine out of all the other splats, Mage and Geist/Sin-Eaters probably synergize the most.

Dave once confirmed that the Hedge was part of the Fallen World like the Shadow, Underworld, Astral, etc.

Is Changeling Arcadia also part of the Fallen World?

>>55210646
Who cares. Dave isn't the lead changeling dev. Wait to see what hill says on the subject.

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>>55210602

I have no doubt that mages believe sin eaters make excellent servants when exploring the Underworld

>>55210682

Hill isn't lead Dev either. It's Rose Bailey, passing on to Meghan Fitzgerald after the core comes out.

>>55210682

David Hill is no longer the developer of Changeling.

Also, matters like the nature of dimensions are meta-setting devices that are discussed among all the developers, Rose and Rich.

As Dave actually mentioned that the Hedge is part of the Fallen World, he likely also knows the status of Changeling Arcadia.

The Dave hostility is really irrational.

>>55210750
Considering the past, there has clearly been disagreement in the past, so I have no reason to trust dave over rose. It is less Dave hate, and more not mindlessly trusting something he said before 2e was even being reworked.

>>55210841
Less disagreement, more so "how do we fix things to appease the players"

Changeling fans absolute hated the fact that the two Arcadias were one-and-the-same in 1e.
As of 2e, True Arcadia and Supernal Arcadia are distinct.

Dave has also written for every line except Hunter, he knows what's up.

>>55210865
Yeah, and yet he disagreed with one of the mummy writers on the nature of the supernal, even while he was on that book.

So pretending they are omnipotent and always aware is setting disagreements would be foolish right?

So I'll trust rose over Dave. Makes the most sense.

>>55210903
>So I'll trust rose over Dave. Makes the most sense.

As much sense as trusting Dave over Rose, yes.

>>55210903
>the Mage writer disagreeing with a Mummy writer over the nature of the Supernal

So naturally Dave knew what he was talking about?

>>55210990
Yeah. But despite Dave being on the project, and them having access to him for questions, they printed it with incorrect information.

So they clearly don't discuss and come to perfect agreement on these topics.

So I'll trust the lead dev for the project over some other guy who may not know and just be stating how he thinks it works. Makes sense right?

>>55211055
Whatever floats your boat, m8.

>>55210903
>yet he disagreed with one of the mummy writers on the nature of the supernal,

Dave is the Mage *developer*.

He is also the developer and writer of the Mage / Mummy crossover rules.

If you cannot discern who is right between Dave and the Mummy writer about the nature of the Supernal and/or its interaction with mummies, the fault lies with you, not Dave or anyone else.

>>55211140
Did I say Dave was wrong? Or not to trust Dave in that situation?

>>55211184
One means the other Dave Hater

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a5abgDBQHPk

Is it wrong that this song REALLY reminds me of Mage the Ascension?

>>55207884
>the new WIll Smith movie, Bright
>>55207957
>I think you mean Shadowrun

How is Bright not an egregious theft of Shadowrun intellectual property?

>>55206423
Seems fine if a little unfocused. Why the need for 'fast spells'?

Also if you're going to be a 'car wizard' you'll want to invest some points into matter eventually.

>>55207947
Aren't freeholds supposed to be based on a fairy tale of some sort?

>>55211409
>Aren't freeholds supposed to be based on a fairy tale of some sort?

That was David Hills idea, and it may have been jettisoned by Rose in the final draft.

>>55211419
Interesting. Well, I'm interested to see how things change. I sort of like the idea of a 'fabletown' hidden behind the scenes of a city.

>>55202205
Wait, so you can clear a whole room of Masters using Merciless Gunman?

>>55211458
You arnt even original, this has come up before too.

> or the opposition has
>resources that the demon isn’t aware of (if >they’re vampires,
>for instance),

Replace vampires with mages, just because they are mortal doesnt make them not a major template fuck nut. And if anybody has resources a demon isnt aware of its fucking mages.

So jog on.

>>55211521
Vampires do not take lethal damage from guns. Which is why they are mentioned as special resources. Unless Mages keep the kinetic shielding or something up permanently they do not have any special resources.

>>55211458
>Merciless Gunman

I thought Merciless Gunman is only useful against mooks, thugs and lesser beings, not members of major splats.

>>55211542
It's useless against folks with resources hat demon isn't aware of. Like vampires. Who can eat bullets.

>>55211534

Mage Armor is reflexive, and mages routinely have other protections and escape mechanisms readily available. Mage society is based on mutually assured destruction, and they're generally nearly as paranoid as vampires.

If a mage is ready to defend against another mage, vampires will not be a problem.

Also, don't forget about magical items besides spells. Why cast Kinetic Shield when you could imbue a ring or amulet with the spell.

>Don't even ask about the Wand of Vampire Ass Whooping

>>55211542
Nah it totally works on mortals. Why wouldn't it?

>>55211593
>Wand of Vampire Ass Whooping

>Is that anything like the Staff of Woof Humiliation or the Rod of Changeling Triggering

>>55211542
It is up to the st. If there are a gang of mages that aren't important to the plot, the ST can let it go off, or just say no.

It is not meant for PvP so it never matters if it is used.

>>55211602
>Nah it totally works on mortals. Why wouldn't it?

I'm not into Demon, I just recalled an earlier discussion.

Could you screencap the power?

>>55211593
Mage Armor does not reduce all of the lethal damage into bashing, like vampires undead status does. Also, it wouldn't work. You do not get a reflexive action if Merciless Gunman is gonna work on ya. You just die.

Other escape/defensive mechanisms are irrelevant. Merciless Gunman pretty much kills unaware target. So they won't be able to use those defensive capabilities.


On the other hand a magical item that permanently, without activation, offers some protection from bullets/lethal damage/kinetic energy would probably invalidate the Embed.


I honestly don't give a fuck about vampires, wands or you obsession with ass.

>>55211621
>It is not meant for PvP

Nothing in CofD is meant for PvP. Crossovers are not supported by the devs. Or at least one dev named Dave.

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My favorite mage kill in demon was when I told this Obreimos master not to look up. Being the obsessive fuckers mages are he could not help but look up which promptly turned him into a pillar of salt. The absolute madman.

>>55211648
Merciless Gunman doesn't work on player Templates, you dumb fuck.

2/10 bait

>>55211659
Yeah. Tabletop RPGs are honestly never PvP built, except when they are.

>>55211666

Ah, the old "short bus" mages necessary for crossover.

>>55211648
>Mage Armor does not reduce all of the lethal damage into bashing

You might want to read Death Mage Armor before you continue to embarrass yourself.

>>55211676
It also only functions in Down and Dirty combat.

>>55211648
I honestly can't tell if people are trolling or just retarded anymore.

>>55211694
It's irrelevant. You need a reflexive action to use it. And you do not get one.

>>55211676
Show me where it is stated that it does not work on templates. I'll wait.

>>55211630
page 130 Demon Core

>>55211715
Show me where reducing lethal to bashing is the only thing "having resources a demon isnt aware off" actually covers?

>>55211733
Show me the resources that Mage can have that are relevant to this situation, just like Vampires resistance to bullets.

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>>55211715

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>>55211715
Mage Armor is Reflexive to activate

>>55211769
Nothing about templates anon. Just about Vampires. Which have resources that would invalidate the embed outside of just being a template.

>>55211769
>can only be used in down and dirty combat

So mages win anyway, because they're the absolute worst in Down and Dirty combat.

>>55211781
Exactly what I've said. And you do not get a reflexive action in that scenario. Because you do not have a resources that Demon is unaware of until you reflexively activate Mage Armor. Which you won't because Demon starts the encounter by straight up murdering you.

>>55211769
That says Vampires. So vampires outstrip Demons. Weird but ok I guess

>>55211783
I can think of plenty of reasons for Mages having resources.

You're honestly being a dingus about this. I'm not even a Magefag and I think you're a mong.

>>55211676
Cite the page.

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>he's wanking an ability that can only be used in down and dirty combat and doesn't even work on templates

>>55211800
But are those resources relevant to the Embed? I can agree that having an amulet of No Bullets Touchy would be enough to stop this power from working. But just being a Mage is not a resource that would in any way work against Merciless Gunman working.

>>55211794
Whats special about gunman that means you cant take reflexive actions?

You are pulling shit out of you ass.

>>55211812
He's either a Demonfag in the purest sense or a retard. Or just bait. Or all three. It's hard to tell at this point.

I though down and dirty combat never applied when fighting "greater" opponents which include all major splats (even weenies like changelings).

>>55211812
>he's still not provided any evidence that it does not work on templates
>not using Down and Dirty always

>>55211818
If vampires just being vampires is an excuse for being a 'resource', then so are any other supernatural.

:^)

>>55211834
Down and dirty can be used anytime your table doesnt want to deal with the slow slugfest that is cofd combat.

>>55211820
It literally kills you. You do not get to take any action, even reflexive one. Because you are dead. Unless you have the power that would stop the Embed to work active as Demon attempts to use it you are dead.

>>55211829
We don't need merciless gunman to kill mages when we have hellfire bullets and the retardation beam that makes mages unable to cast spells.

>>55211849
Vampires have a resource that is relevant to being shot. Bullets aren't as harmful to them as they are to mortals.
Like Mages. :^)

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I might as well post it just to annoy the present Demonfags.

>>55211835
>vampires have resources
>but no other splat does
>muh special snowflake kindred

:^)

>>55211897
this is amazing

>>55211897
Why would it anger demonfags? Dave states that Demons can keep up with Mages in here. If they are willing to sacrifice their covers. Which are laughably easy to repair, upkeep or even gather anew.

>>55211879
Lol, it doesnt mention that faggot, it just says IS a vampire, you are extrapolating that to back up your own faggot argument.

Pretty sure being A werewolf who can heal bullets would also count, and oh mages can heal bullets to with 3 mana so um yeh the demon wasnt expecting that so that NOPES your fucking argument right there.

Yeah guns can kill mages. Just like it can kill anything. Not that hard to understand

>>55211924
>he does not know that Vampires passively take only bashing from guns

Well, for sake of this Embed they are more special than Mages.

:^)

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Demonfags getting told.

Maybe if they weren't such bigots they'd get taken more seriously in these threads.

>>55211931
It also does not state that just because they are a splat it won't work.

>Pretty sure being A werewolf who can heal bullets would also count, and oh mages can heal bullets to with 3 man

You can't heal death anon. This Embed does not wound them. I kills them.

Nobody has told me what happens when you fuck a female demon and it changes cover to male.

What happens to the guys penis?

Magefags are getting their jimmies rustled because their supposed supremacy is paper thin.

I think you're all forgetting that the Embed only functions in Down and Dirty combat scenarios.
As is suggested that it can't even be used on Players.

Edit: nevermind, someone already brought it up and the Demon players ignored it.

>>55211962
So you are saying it doesnt work on werewolfs also? half spirit/half human hybrids arnt something the demon isnt aware off?

>>55211976
There is zero ruling stating that you can't have Down and Dirty combat against players.

>>55211931
Healing was never mentioned as a part of the Embeds disqualifications. You are now extrapolating. Going wildly beyond the the written material or what it can support

>>55211962
Im not saying you need to heal the fucking thing, im saying the fact they can even heal bullets is enough to mean they have resources the demon isnt aware off and therefor borks you power.

>tries to shoot mage
>lel mage armor x kinetic shield

>>55211982
Why wouldn't it work on werewolves? Like I've said, you can't heal death anon. Regeneration won't work as a resource against this Embed.

>>55211897
I don't think anyone disagrees that Mages are more powerful than Mummies n' Demons.

We're looking at -one- Embed here.

>>55212009
OMG

The fact it can heal counts as a resource the werewolf has that the demon doesnt expect. So you cant use it on them.

Ffs cant you read? Or does the demon expect everything it shoots to be able to heal bullets super quick?

>>55212004
You can also be unaware that the guy you are shooting is named Dave. Simply being unaware of something does not mean the Embed doesn't work. It's resources that you are unaware of that invalidate the Embed. And being able to heal wounds is irrelevant to the power that outright kills.

>>55211927
So the Mage just rips it to bits again?

I'm usually appalled by the Magefags.

This is a first for Demon advocates. I rarely even see then post here.

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The Demon is going to be in for a big surprise when he attacks the mage with the hung time spell.

>That's a nice cover, it would be a shame if something happened to it.

>>55212028
demons expect everything they shoot has the ability to rapidly heal lethal damage according to this guy..

>>55212035
Not if they are dead. As the post suggests Demons can hold their own against Mages. Which means they can actually kill them. One hogwarts faggot less isn't much of a cost for some measly Cover.

>>55212058
Being able to heal is irrelevant as a resource to the Embed.

Does said demon risk exposure by using it?
Yes vs a mage.
Then its a nono also.

So many ways to nope the shit out of this thing.

>>55212065
They can hold their own until the Mage realises how easy it is to fuck their Cover, is what Dave said.

Either the Demon is careful, or it's done for.

>>55212084
Its not something demons expect therefore it counts as noping the power asshole.

>>55212057
>implying Covers are hard to recover or create

You can literally use an Exploit to get yourself a shining new, ghost/spirit Cover. No exp cost.

Or just command a mortal into soul pact.

>>55212100
The target being Italian is also something they do not expect. So? It's irrelevant.

So if Merciless Gunman doesn't work on Templates, what else can Demons use against Mages?

>>55212087
But Cover is piss poor easy to get. You can easily spare one or two to fuck with a Mage. Getting exposed as a Demon isn't even that much of a threat.

>>55212128
well that nopes the power too, simply being italian is a resource that demon wasnt expecting..doh he cant shoot them.

What a shit power.

>>55212026

Healing lethal damage takes essence and a reflexive action. I guess just like mages, werewolves easily succumb to Merciless Gunman...

There's no way I would ever allow Down and Dirty Combat to apply against a PC or any major template splat, including any mage who tried to use it (even against changelings).

>>55212152
I mean technically having money in your pocket is a resource the demon isnt aware off too, so does this thing work on anything?

>>55212144
They can lie really well. That's about it.

>>55212149
Which is an issue no matter how you look at it. A Mage only needs a single opening to obliterate the Demon.

Worse still that you can't even tell when a Mage is casting a spell.

>>55211897
I thought mages, demons and mummies were on equal footing?

Fuck, it's like Dave keeps drinking the Mage-aid.

>>55212167
>A Mage only needs a single opening to obliterate the Demon.

And Demon needs one to get rid of a Mage.

>Worse still that you can't even tell when a Mage is casting a spell.

And a Mage can't tell that Demon is a supernatural being until it reveals itself.

>>55212179
There's a contrast.

Mummies start off monstrous and lessen as time goes on.
Mages grow exponentially with experience.
Demons are *kinda* in the middle, as they get to choose, somewhat.

The strongest mages are going to be stronger than the strongest demons/mummies.
Don't get me started on Archmages.

>>55212152
Or you can have a Demon that learns about your resources. And one shots an Archmage because said Demon is aware of Archmages' resources.

>>55212182
>And Demon needs one to get rid of a Mage
This is assuming the Demon can get through Reflexive Mage Armor of prepped defensives.

If not, then whoever shoots first wins. I'd still give it to the Mage though. Just my 2 cents.

>>55212207
Actually, strongest Demons, Mummies and Mages are gonna be on equal footing. Mage is gonna edge two others out because it's gonna be as powerful as them but insanely more versatile.

>>55212182
What part of Dave saying mages can rip a demons cover dont you get? How are mages ripping apart cover if not picking it apart and establishing quite quickly you are a supernatural thing?

>>55212167
Hahaha demons can do a hell of lot more than that.
>>55212144
>turn them to salt
>make them retarded
>fire bullets that deal aggravated damage
>make all the blood vessels in their body exploit
>KO with one punch
>stop time
And if all else fails demons can summon their going loud form from the safety of their bolt hole and send it out to obliterate any mage threat with impunity and with out risk to their covers.

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>>55212167
>They can lie really well. That's about it.

That's only marginally useful against a mage.

>Getting exposed as a Demon isn't even that much of a threat.

Yeah, it's no biggy being simultaneously hunted by both the angels of the God Machine AND pissed-off mages.

What could go wrong?

>I didn't think anything could top the vampirefags and werewolf fags, but demonfag's weapons-grade autism is pretty darn impressive

>>55212222
That would assume Mage can get through Just Bruised or Momentum boosted withstanding.

It can go either way.

>>55212213
Dream on. Dream on.

>>55212227
Equality doesn't exist. A theoretical "all Arcana at 5 Mage" is just too much.

Nor do Mummies and Demons stand a chance against Archmages.

First is was woofs wanting to claw claw claw

Now it is demons wanting to shoot shoot shoot.

>>55212231
You can rip their Cover apart after you learn they are supernatural. Which is far harder to do than with a Vampire or a Mummy. Unless Mage gets a lucky break after reading that Demon is something supernatural, Demon is going to have the first move.

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>>55212179
>mages, demons and mummies

They are all at a different power grade than the other splats, but mages will generally prevail against the other two.

>>55212227
>"th-they're absolutely equal! th-that's the only way I will feel better about this discussion"

lol

>>55212245
That's RAW for you anon. Can't you stomach canon rules?

>>55212296
You obv have no idea what archmasters get up too, so how would your faggot demon know..

Demonfags have to be trolling. They just gotta be. You can't be this dumb.

>>55212278
>First is was woofs wanting to claw claw claw
>Now it is demons wanting to shoot shoot shoot.

And vampires with the bite, bite, suck.

Mages are not only supreme, but they're undoubtedly the most civilized splat.

>>55212213
You realize that archmasters in the fallen world are projecting there via their golden road, sorta of a advanced form of a dream body right?

So you shoot him and he just comes back and fucks you in the ass. GG

>>55212307
>butthurt magefag can't stand how rules are written

>>55212331
Stupid demonfag has no idea about archmasters.

Thinks you can kill them in the fallen world.

>ITT magefags having their asses shattered because they aren't the only big fish around

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>>55212354
>lel look at me pretending to be another anon.
>agreeing with myself so I don't look stupid
>lololol I'm so clever

>>55212345
>What is Rip the Gates?

>>55212296
>That's RAW for you anon. Can't you stomach canon rules?

You need to read Imperial Mysteries.

Archmages are immune to such powers in the same way they win all clash of wills against lesser beings (which includes all other templates).

Archmages also always have an immediate "get out of jail free card." NOTHING can stop them from automatically retreating to their Golden Roads.

Congratulations, your attempt to shoot an archmaster just made him angry. After he gets through with you, you'll beg for the good old days of the tender mercies of the God Machine.

>>55212370
So doing what magefags do constantly in those threads?

The only way to successfully troll Magefags is to intentionally act retarded and get the system wrong.

Thanks for this information, Demon turds.

>>55212372
What the fuck has that got to do with anything, you arnt getting into a mages golden road with it though?

>Rather
>than meditating into the Astral, archmasters >meditate out of
>themselves; an archmage’s seemingly >physical body is no more
>crucial to him than a mage’s dream form.

Since you like RAW so much, read it and weep.

Magefags are utterly oblivious to the other splats. This thread proves it. It's their shitty template and no other, there is no other explanation to why they are this ignorant.

>>55212372
>What is Rip the Gates?

Are you seriously suggesting a demon will fare better against an archmage within in his Golden Road or Chantry? Have you read Imperial Mysteries?

What are you smoking, and can I have some?

>>55212399
>implying you can't invade their Golden Road using Rip the Gates
>implying you can't just shoot the faggot there
>angryGandalfs.jpg

>>55212410
I've noticed the exact opposite myself.

How else do they keep winning this 'x splat vs x splat' discussions?
They know how other Templates work just so they can screw them over.

I have a feeling this discussion is happening solely because DaveB's recent 'Mages crap on Demons and Mummies' comment.

>>55212433
Where does rip the gates let you go: It has a list in a sidebar...does it mention a archmasters golden road? Nope. Its not in the astral, hedge, shadow or underworld. So you arnt getting there with rip the gates. To bad.

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>Magefag discovers their splat has limits and isn't the bestest at everything.
>Instantly falls back to "B-but muh Archmages!" "But muh whiteroom 5 dots in all Arcana Master!"
>Every time, like clockwork.

>>55212434
But they are not. They are just pulling shit from their books and then stick fingers into their ears and go "nanananana archmasters!" when something from the other splat is not as shit as they presume.

>>55212466
Demon fag said he can shoot archmasters with merciless, he started it nobber. He opened the door.

>>55212483
Why do we even need Archmages?

This whole thing started because the Demon players got annoyed that Merciless Gunman isn't in fact going to one shot Mages.

That's all this is. Stupid dick waving.

>>55212508
But it is going to one shot Mages anon. That's RAW.

I hereby call for a truce.

There's no reason why superior beings like mages and demons need to fight one another. Mutual efforts should be directed at the eradication of inferior scourges that clearly deserve punishment and death such as vampires, beasts and ex-Amish bloggers with cameras.

>>55212508
But Mages can one shot Demons with Unmaking? How is that fair?

Oh wait, it's neither fair nor unfair. Because balance isn't focal.

>>55212522
Doesn't work like that.

You need to use Down and Dirty combat for it to work.
In which case the Mages are going to be even more dangerous.

Nor would it work on other Templates, if the vampire-resource line is anything to goby.

Really, you should be eyeing other abilities.

>>55212530
>implying anyone but utter autists are really involved in power level discussions
>implying it's not just trolls and autists flinging shit at each other

>>55212554
It doesn't state anything about other Templates. Unless there is any clarification only vampires are immune to it. And Down and Dirty means nothing if the Mage is just dead. It can't be dangerous if it dies immediately in the first round.

>>55212569
Screw you. We've been fighting for too long.

>>55212537
>But Mages can one shot Demons with Unmaking?

Are you seriously comparing an embed essentially designed for the elimination of mooks with a master mage Practice generally designed for wholesale annihilation of even cosmic threats.

Merciless Gunman has obvious mechanical and narrative restrictions built into the power. Master level Practice are notable for basically the exact opposite.

>>55212591
Down and Dirty combat isn't the go-to combat system of CofD. It's entirely optional and completely situational.

>Down and Dirty means nothing if the Mage is just dead
And how is the Demon going to 'one shot' a Mage without Down and Dirty combat?

>Unless there is any clarification only vampires are immune to it.
That's a big assumption.

So, what's the best Arcanum for the "Unmake Special Snowflake" Rote?

>>55212598
>implying you even can Unmake a prepared Demon

Unless it's an exceptional success you aren't unmaking shit.

>>55212627
Very easy to get exceptional successes demonbaby

>>55212627
You realize how easy it is to get Exceptional Successes at Gnosis 5 and above, right?

It's a nigh certainty by design.

>>55212611
It isn't optional. It's as valid as ny other approaches to combat. And it is the best one, unless your ST is a pussy.

>That's a big assumption.

Equally as big as one that just being a template makes you immune.

>>55212627
>Master Mage
>Exceptional Success

An ES is virtually guaranteed by the time a mage reaches mastery.

>>55211368
>Why the need for 'fast spells'?
Because it actually seems useful, builds off what I already chose, and reflects that he's perceptive and has fast reflexes. I was going to go with Between the Ticks, but that actually didn't seem all that useful. I also want to get the most back for my buck with Time, because despite choosing it as the Tertiary Arcanum (because I think it's what he would choose for the sheer utility of it) I won't be raising it above two dots at the most. I would have gone with Matter if it wasn't the Inferior Arcanum, and I probably will get that up to two at the least. He also isn't 'car wizard' so much as he his 'career criminal wizard'.

>>55212641
>>55212644
Unless someone's gonna use a power that makes it impossible to get exceptional success. And there's an Embed for that.

>>55212654
So you just want people to roll over dead in one hit?

You're a fucking pansy.

>>55212654
>It isn't optional. It's as valid as ny other approaches to combat.

Down and Dirty Combat and Beaten Down & Surrender are both optional rules.

>>55212554
Doesn't it deal a ton of instant damage if you aren't using down and dirty?

>>55212778
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>>55212616
>what's the best Arcanum for the "Unmake Special Snowflake" Rote?

Mages are luckily immune to the spell as we know they all have Shielding Against Triggering up at all times.