Snowflakes

>>55197544
>My characters a straight, white male, shocking isn't it, snowflakes?

>>55197544
>My character is blonde, blue eyed and is a perfect example of a human being

>>55197581
literally my current paladin lol

>>55197544
>implying a paladin practicing stoicism wouldn't be a vast improvement over the the standard

Gamers should read more widely. Meditations is a great book.

>>55197544
>A Chaotic Good drow.

>>55197544
In 5e this is not only accepted, but the default flavor.

>>55197544
Gods are ideals.

>>55197544
>My paladin worships no ideals, only gods

>>55197544
>my paladin has the lawful unaligned alignment
>my paladin dual-wields tachi. What's a tachi? It's the precursor to the katana.
>my paladin is on a quest of vengeance against his own god, the god of mercy

>>55197640
What's his name?

>>55197679
>his

>>55197615
It more or less was in OD&D as well, IIRC.

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>>55197544

>>55197640
>my paladin is on a quest of vengeance against his own god, the god of mercy
This is the kind of concept where I'd wager against the player being able to pull it off, but I'd absolutely love to see it if they did.

Are we really doing this?

>>55197829
I would love that character.
For 5e, the Oath of Conquest UA would be perfect for it.
It'd be an awesome dark knight sort of objective--start with burning down churches, end with trying to kill the personified concept of mercy itself.

>My character is me, but with magic/psionics

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>My Paladin survived because the fire inside burned brighter than the fire around him. He fell into that dark chasm, but the flame burned on and on.

>>55197916
We're doing it.

>>55197941
It's a catch 22 if you think about it.
>burns down local mercy church with the priests and clergy inside.
"Thank you paladin for your merciful act of sparing the rest of the town."
Paladin just sighs and picks up more torches
>one burned down town later
"At least he left us the livestock."
and it just snowballs out of control from there.

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What's wrong with snowflakes?

We're here to play a game about unique and interesting characters, risking their lives for treasure, glory, the greater good, and just a little mayhem. By nature, they're going to be strange individuals.

So what if That Guy wants to be a half-elf, half-demon? Problems only come up if the player is a bad roleplayer.

>>55198270
No, we are playing Alimony and Accountants, we all have to be humans with normal childhoods and no discernible skills

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>>55198412

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>>55197544
stop evading your ban, virt

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>>55198442
>>55198412
No wait is this one

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>>55198442
>>55198412

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>>55197963
>Joshua Graham
>Snowflake
mama mia

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>>55197544

>>55197615
>in 5e dnd
I can't speak to 4th edition, but it was also a thing in 3rd.

>>55197963
>Shishio.jpg

>>55197544
>No name
>amnesia
>literally cannot die
>can level up in every class
>learns magic in hours when most peoole take years or decades
>body covered in scars

planescape torment.jpg

>>55198270
>>55198412
Oh here we go, two faggots entirely missing the point as usual.

A snowflake is defined by being an extreme. It's not just having a few unusual traits, it's having lots of them to the point of absurdity, and especially it involves not having any substantial characteristics beneath that superficial layer of gaudiness.

Not being a snowflake does not mean you have to go to the other extreme and play something entirely bland and unremarkable - BUT if you can't make a good character out of a simple, ordinary origin story then you suck as a player. Fact.

I'll give the first of you two the point that PCs often do have some unique and interesting characteristics, but there's a lot of clear space between being 'unique and interesting' and being a way out there snowflake.

>>55197544
That's actually how it goes. Paladins follow Lawful Good before they follow a God.

>My paladin worships an esoteric non-deific philosophical religious system based on the concept of a higher order of existence. Essentially meaning based on organization and intrinsic order.

>>55197603
But doesn't stoicism itself acknowledge divinities by the nature of it's philosophy?

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>>55197544
>My character is an atheist and believes that clerics are charlatans.
But gods obviously exist in this setting.
>Then my character hates gods and wants to kill them.

>>55197581

So the majority of actual humans in my country are snowflakes?

>>55198919
Nordics are the opposite of perfect, chess-playing oil-rich autists.

>>55198925

The only contenders for perfect human being are pure nordics and japanese. The rest are average (rest of the whites and asians) to utter garbage (the rest, excepting...), to medical waste-tier (arabs, africans).

>>55198953
This tbqh

>>55197544
My character is a woman that dresses like a man
Asexual
extremely attractive

>>55198882
You can acknowledge a god without worshiping it; see The Old Testament, whereby YHWH tells his people to not worship any god but himself. The others EXIST, but they're lesser and probably evil (according to his rules).

>>55197544
I can do you one better.
> Setting where the gods regularly walk the earth in person to fight back demons.
> The patron one prays to is an obligatory component that every pc has listed.
> Ask player who his god is
> "I don't believe in the gods."

>>55197581
> I wanna playa [viking of that setting]
> GM (me): Okay, but then he has to be tall, blond and have blue eyes.

>>55198919
Sounds like you need more muslim refugees

>>55199241
Would you rather play at a table with someone who's full on 'I don't believe in gods' militant athiest or full on 'There are no gods in this setting besides Jesus Christ' militant Christian?

>>55199338
He specified actual humans

>>55199355
According to Darwin it seems like the muslims are more human that your blond bimbos. Survival of the fittest. Why not do something about it instead of crying like a typical cuck?

>>55199420

They don't thrive, lol. They populate the prisons and lowest classes of society.

>>55197640
>my paladin has the lawful unaligned alignment

That's a palladin of helm nigga

>>55198482
>he's just like the existing popular character Thor
>except he lives in space
>and he's a horse, just like my fursona

Excellent snowflake example

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>>55199716
You shut your whore mouth, Beta Ray Bill is great.

>>55199420
>According to Darwin it seems like the muslims are more human

???

You wanna point me to where Charles Darwin defined 'more human' and 'less human'?

>>55199716
>hating based Beta
I am angered

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>>55197544
Hey, look at all these mentions of worshiping deities in the original appearance of the Paladin class. It's almost like they were ORIGINALLY expressions of the knight-in-shining-armor ideal, and CLERICS were the holy warriors devoted to specific deities, and it was you kiddies with post-TSR editions who misinterpreted the class.

Just because within your limited purview of 20-somethings who started with 3rd edition or Pathfinder or whatever, sometimes an annoyingly militant atheist will play a paladin without a god doesn't make the character concept bad... just rolled by shit players.

>>55197544
>is a stated thing in the rulebook
>snowflake

>>55198104
>vengeful paladin confronts avatar of the God of mercy.
>The avatar of mercy forgives the paladin

The existence of gods being questionable and clerics and paladins being rather powered by their community's and their own faith and conviction is by default more interesting. The fucks wrong with you?

>>55197544
Adventurers are pretty much by definition special snowflakes. That's the whole point.

>>55201347
He's right, you know. At least per D&D, having PC stats is being the 1% of the 1%. You're pretty much someone who accidentally broke their limiter on the way to the shops and is suddenly capable of growing and learning ridiculously fast compared to even the best of normal men.

>>55198740
4th is even less restricted than 3rd. 4th ed Paladins can be any alignment without having to use special variant classes.

>>55198883
Depending on a setting it actually could be a pretty understandable if suicidal and unreasonable stance. But PCs rarely get to where they are in life by being reasonable.

>>55198740
>>55201384
Actually, in 4th, if you were using the default flavor (why?) technically it was the first edition where a paladin HAD to worship a deity. Granted, much like many other things in 4th, the word "paladin" didn't really mean what it did in previous editions. While in previous editions "paladin" meant an exemplar of the noble knight-in-shining-armor archetype granted powers by living up to that archetype, in 4th, they were warriors invested with divine power from a deity...... then again in 4th the fluff and the crunch were so seperate that there was literally no obligation to use the written fluff.

4th was actually the first edition where the default fluff had Paladins getting their powers from deities. Before, the default was actually them getting it from ideals/idealism/archetypes.

>>55199916
Tieflings, Drow, and Dragonborn are all default player character options in 5e's core rule book too, but that doesn't mean I let anyone play them at my table.

>>55201636
>but in My setting...
you dont get to call others snoflakes for not knowing about your speshul setting and its intricacies

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>>55201636
Only difference is, Tieflings and Dragonborn have only been "default" options since 4th, and Drow have only been "default" options since 5th. Whereas paladins who get their power primarily from ideals, and not directly from a particular deity, have been THE default since the first appearance of the class, with getting powers directly from a deity being either the sole purview of Clerics, or a variant option all the way until 4th edition.

>>55201710

>Only difference is, Tieflings and Dragonborn have only been "default" options since 4th

Mind you, in 4e that made sense. They were basically Carthage and Rome for the default 4e setting, with the setting being 'Dealing with the fallout of both major empires self destructing in a war'

>>55201754
I miss Nentir Vale... I appreciate a lot of what 5e did mechanically, but 4E's setting was such a nice new fresh slate for new players to jump into the game with and with 5E going to such extents to court new blood for the hobby I have no idea why we went back to Forgotten Realms' four decades of bloat as the default setting

>>55201962
>I appreciate a lot of what 5e did mechanically
Being a regressive throwback to 3e and 2e in a desperate attempt to win back the fans who hated 4e just for being new?

>>55201987

I'm a 4e fan but let's not start this fight. It doesn't really help anyone but people who like to argue and troll.

>>55201987
I have no interest in starting this argument up in this thread, please do something else with your time

>>55197544
>"And all ideals are releative!"

>>55201987
>bawww muh 4e is ded

it was a shit edition

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>>55197603
Get on my level

>>55199350
>full on 'There are no gods in this setting besides Jesus Christ' militant Christian

Depending on how the latter one is played, it could be really interesting. I wish I could remember what the game was, but there was a book I used to have that was published back in the 90's that had a Delta Green/X-Files conceit of the players trying to cover up supernatural happenings on behalf of a vague yet menacing government agency. The big twist is that the Christian End Times were happening, and the players were actually interfering with angels trying to rapture people.

>>55203067
>paladin who models themselves after the ideals of diogenes
mite b cool

>>55197544
Seriously how much damage can a paladin do anyway?
Mages and hackers are the real game busters.

>>55198953
>Japanese
>perfect
Fuck off you worthless weeaboo. The japs were basically a third world country until the US occupation.

>>55199716

no seriously I don't care if it's hours later and you won't see this, fuck you for talking shit about Beta Ray Bill.

>>55199716

>Beta Ray Bill
>Just like Thor

You haven't actually read any of Beta Ray Bill's comics, have you.

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>>55199716
>Hating on Based Ray Bill
I hope you stub your smallest toe on the doorframe.

>>55203364
>>55203438
>>55203493
t. Butthurt ponyfags

>>55197567
>straight, white, (human) male is actually a snowflake combination nowadays

>>55197544
>Literally in the PHB of almost every edition
>You're a snowflake if you do it
What does OP meant by this?
Also irl Paladins followed ideals, not Gods

>But muh setting
Spotted the snowflake

>>55198883
>>Then my character hates gods and wants to kill them.
Perfectly valid and legit goal, 99% of Gods in D&D are fucking cancerous faggots who cause 100% of all the problems

>>55199860
Actually in 3.PF they can also follow ideals. I think only 4e forced the following a God deal.

>>55203806
4e didn't, actually, not for paladins. THe only divine classes that HAD to follow a god were Avengers and Invokers.

>>55203276
Zone of Truth is going to make it easier to find an honest man at the least

>>55203806
Only because that part is more or less copy-pasted from 3.5 In Golarion they can't.

>>55198953
>The only contenders for perfect human being are pure nordics and japanese.

Uh. Neither are pure Homo Sapiens though?

>>55203521
BRB is literally THE monster-race paladin, thats the whole point- a monster who acts as the most upright hero

his only flaw is his retarded name

>>55203884
How is that relevant? Species are largely arbitrary anyway.

>>55203912
It's relevant because it means they're sub-human crossbreeds that need to be purged.

>>55203940
Superhuman, not subhuman.

>>55203864
but does it count as "finding" an honest man if a man's honesty is compelled instead of freely given?

>>55197640
> dual-wields tachi
> not wielding a katana and a dandao instead
Do you even bushido?

>>55203962
>American welfare states
>superhuman

kek.

>>55204015
>American
>pure anything
We're talking about nordics and the japanese, not mongrels.

>>55204122
A purebred dog is still a dog.

>>55199420
Darwin personally has nothing to do with Social Darwinism you retard.

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>>55204322
That's because Social Darwinism is bullshit.

>>55197544
>My race and class are the punchline

>>55197544
>I made my character retarded and weak so that he's a constant millstone the party has to drag around and protect because that's good roleplaying

Seriously had a guy want to play a D&D character whose highest score was an 8 because he thought playing someone who was pathetic and worthless in literally every situation would be "good roleplaying".

>>55205116
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=26EP0ght2kI

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>>55203962
>superhuman
>can't even keep their cities from being burned to the ground by glorious British firebombs
another Hun purged by the eternal anglo

>>55199350

The Christian. Much less likely to be a cunt.

>>55199350
>someone who's full on 'I don't believe in gods' militant athiest
What's so militant about not believing in the supernatural?

I've been an atheist all my life and I don't give anyone shit about it. I'm not even that concerned about what other people believe in as long as it doesn't get in the way of doing what's right.

>>55199716
I've come here from hours later to tell you you're a fuck

>>55197544
Isn't that what they do these days by default?

>>55205686
>What's so militant about not believing in the supernatural?
If there was something inherently militant about them, he wouldn't have specified MILITANT atheist.

>>55205788
>Isn't that what they do these days by default?
>Read the Fucking Manual.jpg

Read the class lore. It's in 5th edition PHB page 82-83.

>>55197544
Paladins being warrior priests is a dumb idea invented by 3.PF and 4chan crusader roleplayers. Paladins "worshiping" the ideal of chivalry is the closest to their original concept from the earlier editions, while them being warrior monks tied to a deity makes Paladins exactly the same as Clerics except with swords instead of maces. It's stupid.

>>55199350
>militant atheist

>>55205504
A bigot detected.

>>55203884
>nogs are the only race without neanderthal admixture
>also the most savage and uncivilized
Really makes you think.

>>55205686
Look, I'm an atheist myself and also don't ever talk about it because it's not Central to who I am.

I definitely though as a kid went through a phase of reading Richard Dawkins and Christopher Shitchens and telling people they were foolish for believing in a religion. It was embarrassing but definitely happened and I've seen it in others too.

Honestly if I've known you for a while and don't know your religious beliefs for sure, that's the best possible scenario and I don't care if you are an atheist, jew christian, scientologist even.

If I have to pick between a shitty Christian or a shitty atheist though I'd rather the Christian. Feels less vicariously embarrassing.

>>55206525
Eat a bullet.

>>55197615
Its actually the normal dnd paladin thing. Paladins requiring gods is a setting thing at best

>>55207034
I respect that

>>55207051
>oh no, someone doesn't think WE WUZ KANGZ
>better threaten them with violence
As expected of a nigger.

>>55207246
Quit shitting up our board and go back to /pol/ you shit heel.

>>55207283
>our board
It's my board too; no one here is expected to use one and only one board.
That said, the double standard that leftist shitposting is, at the very least, tolerated while right shitposting is completely unnaceptable is entirely inexcusable.
As a matter of pride, I ONLY /pol/post in response to leftist shitposting (such as >>55203884 and >>55203940)

TL;DR: Fuck off and die.

>>55207354
>leftist shitposting
But mate, those posts are hard-line conservative.

A leftist would argue that neanderthals are to be loved and tolerated, despite being thuggish brutes with no self control and a rampant sex drive.

Next you're going to say that Islamic fundamentalists are liberals.

>>55207354
Enjoy the wall.

>>55207354
I really cannot stand how you neo-sjw's always need to be the fucking victim of some nefarious "double-standard"

>>55207387
>But mate, those posts are hard-line conservative.
Hating other races isn't something that's exclusive to the right, anon.

>>55207391
I will, thank you; there's already contractors selected for the prototypes, and it's really exciting!

>>55207453
>if I put quotes around it, it don't real
>if I call a group the exact opposite of what they are based on banal surface similarities, it obviously means they're the same thing
Let me guess, you subscribe to horseshoe theory too?

>>55207558
>Hating other races isn't something that's exclusive to the right, anon.
Dear god it's retarded.

>>55207644
>kill all white people

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>my paladin is specifically an "Oathbreaker" and is still granted spells by his god
>why would a god willingly give you magic spells in exchange for your devotion if you're literally an oathbreaker?
>because the gods are fucking stupid

I hate literally everything about this concept. Kill it with fire.

>>55207710
>he thinks hard right blacks and asians are liberal
yep, retarded.

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>>55207740
To be fair, the gods being fucking stupid is a recurring theme through many different cultures.

>>55207748
>self-hating masochist white liberals don't real

>>55207907
>he believes white liberals actually want white genocide

the education system has failed you fucking hard.

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>>55207354
>>55207558
>>55207710
>>55207907
>Everyone who doesn't agree with me is a liberal shitposter
I mean, there were definitely shitposts, but you've swiftly outpaced them in both number and stupidity.

As expected of /pol/

>>55207387
>despite being thuggish brutes with no self control and a rampant sex drive.

Literally the opposite of the truth.

>>55208012
Given the fact that they trace every problem in the world to the White race and make endless excuses for every other race, how could anyone not think their ultimate goal is White genocide? Apparently stupid people like you.

>>55208131
Oh? Please, tell us what Neanderthal society was actually like.

>>55208144
Here's what you do:

1: Go outside
2: Find a Liberal
3: Talk to the Liberal
4: Realize that the Liberals they show you on Breitbart and /pol/ aren't nearly as common as you think they are
5: Talk to a Nigger
6: Realize he's an educated gentleman
7: Neck yourself for being a faggot

>>55208240
I live in California. Don't tell me what leftists are like.

>>55208144
You're so desperate to be a victim you're pulling bullshit out of your ass.

Sad.

>>55208012
Genocide ain't just holocaustin, anon

>>55208095
>>everyone who doesn't agree with me is a liberal shitposter
Nice projection there, bucko, but only a select percentage of people who don't agree with me are liberal shitposters.
Besides, as should be apparent, my shitposting is purely reactive in nature to other shitposts, rather than being proactive.

>>55208251
We're telling you what they're actually like because you seem to have never actually met any.

>>55208240
>telling someone who lives around niggers to go outside to see what niggers are like

>>55208279
You only assume I haven't because you refuse to accept my judgement.
Sorry, but you're wrong.

>>55208263
>Genocide ain't just holocaustin, anon
She left you for a bigger dick anon. That's not genocide anon, that's natural selection.

>>55208012
Lena Dunham.

>>55208304
We're far from wrong mate. Racism is a product of the right, not the left.

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>>55203521
Your lineage was a mistake, and I hope it doesn't continue.

>>55208304
>>55208290
No, you're wrong. Or at least just butthurt about being cucked by Tyrone and his gay fellatio squad. If you'd managed to spend any time actually getting to know blacks or liberals, you wouldn't feel like they're threats, because they aren't.

People like you are what's killing the white race, not Tyrone and his Nig Club. Do you seriously think that the majority of people are dumb enough to fall to Tumblrina bullshittery and actually kill themselves?

Does somebody have that pic where it compares purebred mean incomes to mixed-race mean incomes? I remember it being pretty clear that race-mixing improves income basically no matter who you are, at least on average.

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>>55203521
>gets BTFO for not knowing what he's talking about
>b-butthurt ponyfags

>>55208416
>Does somebody have that pic
I'd rather we not start posting poorly sources and cherry picked infographics please.

This is not a pill thread.

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>>55208486
Who even USES that insult anymore? Do they still exist?

>>55208537
which one? butthurt or ponyfags?

either one, it's usually a preteen behind the post.

>>55198482
Wtf, I'm a nihilist now

>>55197544
All my characters are virgin, both women and men.

>>55208576
Good.

>>55199350
Militant Christian, please. If they're a Catholic or reasonable Protestant they won't cause a stink even if they're a little annoying. If they're some Evangelist cultist fuckwit, I can mock them knowing my group has my back.

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>>55208552
How could someone get so mad about Dinothor?

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>This thread

>>55208309
>the erasure of a people was natural selection
>naturalistic fallacy
I guess the holocaust was natural selection too :^)

>>55208717
Not at all, because the Holocaust failed to wipe out the Jews.

>>55208701
shall we stick to talking about Dinothor?

>>55199350
None. Both fail to grasp the concept of the role of deities being different in a fictional setting, than in real life. The only difference between them is their outlook on what is the case for real life. You can call that 'hurr durr both sides r dum' all you like, but this is less about religion vs atheism, and more about people shoving fedora-tipping politics into places where they don't belong.

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>>55208746
You can certainly try. Good luck with that.

>>55208215
The reason we wiped them out was because we were the thuggish brutes with the high sex drive. Their reletively more egalitarian, lower reproduction rate tribes couldn't keep up with the attrition rate of our reletively more sexually dimorphic, high reproduction rate ones. They were more aligned with our modern sensibilities than protohumanity.

The only reason countries don't need to pump out as many soldiers and workers as they can today is because of modern technology, back in the days of simple tools, population was everything.

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>>55208842
If there is nothing in this thread but what we make, brothers, then let us make good.

>>55207748
BLM and BAMN and that shit are not right, they arent liberal either mind you- theyre left wing authoritarians

>>55208843
That's one of the theories. There are others, but they may all be true to an extent.

1. Neanderthal settlements tended to stop at natural obstacles like mountains or bodies of water, suggesting that they were less likely to take risks and ultimately doomed themselves through complacency.

2. Neanderthal bone samples suggest that they reached physical adulthood at younger ages. This would mean that an adult neanderthal's brain would have had less time to develop then ours.

>>55208843
>They were more aligned with our modern sensibilities
citation fucking needed. seriously, if you have hard, peer reviewed, evidence of this, go publish it now.

>>55208876
The screaming idiots outnumber the people interested in actual discussion. The best thing to do is to just set up by the sidelines and grab popcorn.

>>55197544
Perfectly acceptable

>>55209008
Aww.

>>55209045
You could always race for the image limit anon. That'd be good.

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>>55209089
Good plan.

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>>55209115
An accurate depiction of the ideal party

All this talk of neanderthals reminds me of the dude who kept shilling that weird "neanderthals were actually nocturnal orc monsters who preyed on homo sapiens" book thay was based on absolutely nothing here on /tg/

>>55209255
I remember that

>>55198799
Tell me then oh wise one where is the line? Because all know is it's somewhere between "won the local archery contest at a young age" and "out archeried the local not legolas"

>>55209255
Welcome to /tg/ where everyone has a PhD in everything.

> My character is a lattice of ice frozen around a spec of dust

>>55207788
>Zeus manages to keep it in his pants around Thetis, doesn't give Aphrodite the apple to bone her
>Trojan War happens, Achilles massacres skydaddy's favourite people

He really didn't have any motivation to try to not dick everything with a hole, it usually worked out well for him personally and often for his kids

>>55209255
>"neanderthals were actually nocturnal orc monsters who preyed on homo sapiens"
Are we talking sexual preying or food chain preying?
>inb4: yes

>>55208144
>trace every problem in the world to the White race and make endless excuses for every other race
that's called arrogance

>>55209287
Plausibility, I think. At least at the start of an adventure, a good PC falls within the bounds of their species' norms. They're good, yeah, but not impossibly so. If they were THAT good, then they wouldn't be nobodies. This is for a D&D-esque high fantasy setting, mind, but I think the principle carries to most settings with a bit of tweaking.

>>55209319
Both, they book suggests they were literal frank frazetta apeman orcs with scary red eyes.

you fools.
Neanderthals loset because they were short, stocky, couldn't ru fast, couldn't throw things lived in caves in small groups and had to get up close and personal when hunting.
Then they met us, tall, slender, nobler, with our shiny dark skin and brilliant blue eyes, who lived longer lives, could crlimb trees, run so fast, throw their spear over long distances and talk to animals.

Fucking dworfs got what they had coming.

>>55209797
I can't tell if you're a nigger or a phoneposter.
Either way, you need to fuck off.

>dark skin
>blue eyes
l m a o

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>>55209838
What the fuck am I reading

>>55199543
>>55199744
>>55204322
Filter the words cuck and muslim from /tg/ from now on if you can't handle not replying.

>>55197544

Technically legitimate by 2E paladin code standards, but yeah edgy muh different. At least his name isn't Fritzz and he doesn't dual wield scimitars or carry around a panther figurine.

>>55199420
>selecting for savagery and animal libido over civility and progress
Malthus is spinning in his grave

>>55209914
>implying human society will ever be more than bestial and savage

the ASI cannot arrive fast enough.

>>55209999
Quads of truth; synthetic apotheosis when

>>55209797
>>55209838
european hunter gatherers 7000 years ago had dark skin and blue eyes. This was determined with genetic analysis on bone remains.

the people who met the neanderthals would have dark eyes though, as blue eyes appeared later, when dworfs were already extinct. That part was just an exaggeration for the sake of funposting.

>>55210081
>european hunter gatherers 7000 years ago had dark skin and blue eyes. This was determined with genetic analysis on bone remains.
How dark, and source/proof? Sub-saharan Nog dark, or swarthy Morrocan dark? I'm genuinely curious.

>>55210139
>http://lmgtfy.com/?q=complexion+of+early+europeans

>>55210171
>lmgtfy
No, fuck off; you make the claim, you provide the academic source, I'm not going to do your research for you or stare at a 101 primer or wikipedia page.

Telling people to look up your own evidence rather than SHOWING them it is a real good way to just get them to ignore you, rather than convincing them of your argument.

>>55210226
Let's try this again

>http://lmgtfy.com/?q=complexion+of+early+europeans

>>55210226
>>55210171
And, to expand on this, a good proportion (if not majority) of the links on the first page aren't even academic sources or journals in the first place!
Finally, your assertion is half-wrong; there were indeed darker skinned Europeans in places like mid Europe and Spain, yes, but light skin already existed in Scandinavia at that time as well.

>>55210139
>>55210226
Look up Dr Iain Mathieson, from Harvard.

>>55210266
>ignoring my entire post just so you can be a smart cunt
Fuck off and die. Next time, instead of being a smarmy little shit, how about you just pick two or three links from the front page and linking that instead, rather than being a lazy asshole.

You would think that the very basic, most fundamental part of argumentation, citing your sources, would be present even on 4chan, but no.
"Here's my argument, it's now your job to verify and prove it"

>>55210341
Thank you, anon; any particular paper titles I should be looking for?

>>55210356
The fact that you think anything besides shitty memes and cheap porn would be present on 4chan is laughable.

>>55210374
Well, if you had actually looked it up like anon told you to, you'd know which studies those journalists were citing in their reports.

So now, go google the name and the topic: the complexion of early Europeans.

>>55210139
if you're really interested in it rather than just trying to pick an argument you can easily google t yourself and find as many sources as you want

this is the best I can di with how much I care
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2014/01/140126134643.htm

there is the link to the Nature paper at the bottom of the article

>>55210356
>calls someone else a lazy asshole
>wants to be spoonfed

You gotta be a big boy some time anon, why not try now?

>>55210475
Burden of proof, dipshit. if you make a claim, it is on YOU to prove you aren't full of shit.

>>55210414
>"do the other side's research"
I already explained how this is stupid and lazy, and I already have been reading the journals, but I was just hoping that maybe it wasn't just one anon who'd be unhelpful and annoying with their own argument.

>>55210444
>you can easily google t yourself and find as many sources as you want
Holy fucking dogshit, this is not how arguing and discussion works.
Anon A proposes something; Anon A gives specific source(s) to back up claim
Anon B either accepts the source(s), or then goes on to do more research or find a counter example.
It's NOT:
Anon A proposes something; Anon A tells Anon B to go find the sources on his own because Anon A only cares enough to say stuff, but to not back it up.

Thank you for the link, though, you've been the most helpful out of any poster in the last dozen or so posts, unless you're one of the earlier anons, in which case thank you for actually being helpful at all.

>>55210475
Try and pull that shit in a freshman research paper, let alone a peer reviewed paper, and see how far that gets you.
Yes, the people you're proposing an argument to COULD do all the research; they could go and find all the figures and data and quotes you're referencing.
Should they? Absolutely not, since it's an accepted responsibility on the part of whoever is proposing the argument to back up their argument with sources and citations that are directly relevant to their argument, allowing for the reader to do further research if they so desire.

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>>55210549
>this is an academic discourse forum and not a place to just shit on others between stumbling upon the occasional semi-interesting blurb

>>55210549
I wasn't proposing something or arguing something. It was a throw away but I put in a post that was talking about something else.
I wasn't discussing the color of early hunter gatherers with some anon.
At which point you could have asked politely for a source saying that you were interested, instead of acting like a twat.

>>55210592
>Try and pull that shit in a freshman research paper
Good thing I'm not writing you a paper you little tool.

>>55210635
You're right, it's not, but citing your sources is literally the absolute bare minimum you can do to make a proper argument.
If you're just shitposting, fine, but don't expect to be taken seriously (on an anonymous kabuki theater chatpage) unless you take the smallest bit of time to ctrl+v a URL at the bottom of your post.

>>55210653
>At which point you could have asked politely for a source saying that you were interested, instead of acting like a twat.
And I did >>55210139

>>55210659
You're not, right, but stop trying to defend not doing the absolute bare minimum anyone could conceivably do when making an argument in the first place.

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>>55210549
>>55210592
>treating a random shit shoot on a Brazilian smut website as an academic forum.

>>55210702
>absolute bare minimum
He did, he googled it for you and gave you a link.

>>55210706
>copy pasting a URL to a journal or article
>anywhere close to the stringency of an actual paper
There's no excuse except for absolute laziness.

>>55210723
THAT'S NOT PROVIDING A SOURCE
It's still "hey, I'm still not going to give you the most directly relevant source to my argument, but I'll save you the first step of something you most likely would have done anyways"
Fuck off.

>>55210727
>There's no excuse except for absolute laziness.
Correct, but I'm not surprised you're too lazy to look it up yourself. We're not here to cuddle you and feed you buttery biscuits mate.

>>55210809
Anon, have you been ignoring everything I've said up until this point?
Yes, it's expected for the reader to do further research if they're curious, or if they're not convinced by the writer's argument or evidence.
At the same time, it's also expected (outright required, even) that the writer provide some directly relevant source to back up their argument.
This is literally the core of modern discourse.

>>55210877
>it's also expected (outright required, even) that the writer provide some directly relevant source to back up their argument.
Maybe else where, but you forget where you are.

>This is literally the core of modern discourse.
Oh, you're just pretending to be naive. Got it.

>>55198270
What makes a player a bad roleplayer?

>>55210915
>Maybe else where, but you forget where you are.
Shit standards are shit standards, anon; I agree that 4chan is terrible for any serious discussion, but at the least it's better than some sites.

>Oh, you're just pretending to be naive. Got it.
I was never pretending to be naive, only angry that anons can't hold themselves to the bare minimum standards for casual argumentation.

>>55210959
>only angry
This is your problem, you actually care enough to get mad at some casual shit posting.

Fuck off and lurk more, we're not here to make you warm and fuzzy.

>>55210985
I'm not mad at the casual shitposting, I'm mad at it even being tangentially passed off as semi-serious discussion.

>Fuck off and lurk more, we're not here to make you warm and fuzzy.
You fuck off; I'm not some ancient oldfag, but I've been here 4+ years. I don't care about being warm and fuzzy, I care about people not being lazy assholes when it comes to basic discussion.

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>>55211039
>but I've been here 4+ years

>>55211066
>"fuck off and lurk moar"
>implication that I'm a newfag
>"No, I'm not a newfag, I've been here for a while"
>"LE BADASS OLDFAG Xd"

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>>55211092
So upset anon. Why don't you go do something enjoy?

You're enjoying this, aren't you? You little slut

>>55211124
wifi is too shit to play vidya right now and I'm waiting on supplies for /tg/ stuff
and yes, being mad is fun

>>55211156
At least you're being honest with yourself now.

>http://lmgtfy.com/?q=why+D%26D+is+objectively+terrible

Add your own salt to flavor and enjoy.

When did I step onto /v/?

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>>55211207
>snowflakes thread

"my parents were killed in a orc/bandit/monster attack on my village(1p), my sibling(1p) and i as a 3-12 year old were the only survivors(1p)"

"my sibling and i got separated during a hectic moment and presumably got killed (1p)(but not really, what a twist, 1p)"

"i grew up in a harsh environment (1p) but managed to exel at whatever enviroment that was(1p), whether if it was a orphanage, clerical temple, roguish slum, mercenary band(1p), or even if i was taken in as an apprentice by an old and wise father figure(1p) who might have been a wizard, merchant or veteran of a trade"

"now, after having buried my mentor/a comrade from my adolescence (1p) i now set out to carve a slice of this world for myself/ try to find the truth about what happened to my sibling/ find revenge for my village (1p)"


how many points do your character get? my current one gets 4 points, i've seen several chracters that hit all of these, along with a few other intervowen into this, such as family curses, easily recognizable "marks" of the target for revenge "the orc chief was an old orc with glowing green eyes and a tattoo of the clan symbol along his right temple"

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>>55198455
I don't know why, but "D&D but about real life boring jobs" just tickles me every time

>>55211272
It asks what would be novel to people who live the adventure life, like in last action hero when jack slater was amazed by simple things like classical music and just talking to a woman like a human being, real life was almost paradise to him

>>55198919
Well your element is ice

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>>55199716

>>55211268
>"i grew up in a harsh environment (1p) but managed to exel at whatever enviroment that was(1p), whether if it was a orphanage, clerical temple, roguish slum, mercenary band(1p), or even if i was taken in as an apprentice by an old and wise father figure(1p) who might have been a wizard, merchant or veteran of a trade"

What a bullshit system. You're a snowflake if you grew up in harsh environment (i.e. most of the world for most of history), but also if you lived like a decent artisan-class kid and got an apprenticeship, which was normal practise in many cultures.

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>>55211432
Fuck off niggerfaggot

>>55197603
Marcus is my man

>>55210877
Modern discourse is telling each other to kill themselves from what I've seen

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>>55208627
>mfw my group made a conflict about what to do with a community of hobgoblins into a political debate, not based on medieval thinking and their characters alignments, but based on modern concepts and their own political meaning

>>55211512
Don't we resolve international conflicts in 140 characters or less now?

I'd call that progress.

>>55208606
hardly

>>55199350
An idea that I kinda liked that I saw posted somewhere was that the main religion of the setting is christianity, but the main focus of is the different saints one can follow. It ties the party together religiously but still allows timmy to worship the woodsy type god and johnny to worship the big angry battle type god or whatever.

>>55211537
Doesn't matter at all, really.

>>55198455

What comic is this? Googles best guess is "table"

>>55209310
His wife, not him

>>55211999
His wife what? Zeus favoured the Trojans in his heart, Hera opposed them because of Paris (which only happened because Zeus didn't have the balls to give the apple to Aphrodite) and in general things in Greek myth rewarded Zeus for sleeping around; he screwed a bunch of hot women, fathered a bunch of mighty sons, and he personally only rarely suffered consequences. When Hera did get revenge for Zeus' infidelity it was against the kids and not Zeus.

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>>55211928
It's Table. You've never read Table?
http://www.neverborncomic.com/?p=1231

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>>55198455
Ha, the next page.

>>55197544
I've always wanted a paladin that fights for the good of the world. Not for a God. Like Beta Ray Bill from Marvel

>>55212303

Cheers, anon. I kind of stopped reading Exalted comics when Keychain died.

>>55208416
ther only reason any non-whites are getting jobs is because of diversity quotas

>>55207740
The God of vengeance in my setting will allow oathbreakers to use his divine magic but at the cost of their blood. Like vengeance in that sense.

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>>55199716
>Shitting on based Thorse
You're crusin for a brusin m8

>>55212324
>Go back to 2e
>The project perfect delays your report and counter-report
>I perfect vacation the counter-report

this thread is complete fucking garbage and i hope you're all ashamed of yourselves.

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>My rogue is lawful

>>55212949
>I try to pickpocket right in front of the paladin/the lawful party member

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>>55212949
Rogue is a communist?

>>55212428
If you honestly think that you've been fooled and probably haven't met many blacks who aren't working the bottom line.

I've met several black individuals who were the niggest personally but were 6 times more skilled at what they did than the local stormfag.

Maybe you should contemplate if maybe you're the reason you're still working as a greeter at Walmart, and not Tyrone.

>>55212949
this is actually plausible, lawful can be "strictly adheres to a personal code" rather than "follows the written laws to a tee"

A robin hood type character, for example, who steals only from the rich and decadent to share the wealth with orphans, the church, etc. Or one that avoids killing unless it's absolutely necessary. Maybe they never tell a lie, I dunno. It's doable.

Lawful evil is a thing, you know? I'm pretty sure overthrowing the rightful king to set up a dictatorship is illegal most places too, but they still manage to be "lawful" because they adhere to a code.

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>>55212946
I actually enjoyed the discussion.

>>55201604
Plus, falling was impossible. No actions taken by the paladin could cause their powers to be stripped from them. Instead, whatever church or organization created them started to hunt them.
When I first saw that, I made a joke about 'church ninjas'. And then, of course, they made Avengers, which are basically just church ninjas. 4e was nothing if not reliable, I suppose.

>>55201962
As much as I've come to appreciate Faerun, I feel you - not only does it get too much attention, but the 'Points of Light' deserved something much more official and accessible than what it got. (Seriously, I know nothing about it, but would love to learn more.)
I blame wrongheaded corporate ideas about 'brand extension' and 'ip-protection'. We put all our focus in one big world, and make it as kitchen-sink as possible, and that's where all our novels and board games and movies lol will come from. I also blame bad memories of the 2nd-edition book bloat, but in my mind, that's not really the fault of having too many settings.

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>>55207788
>I'm god of a phallic metaphor! What the fuck else am I supposed to do?

>>55208492
I dunno, one could argue that the people most willing to bitch about politics on 4chan are probably snowflakes to some degree.

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>>55197581
...yes, and?

>>55198412
>>55198442
>>55198455
>>55212324
That joke is as old and used as OPs mom.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P3MRza5MWtM

>>55203067
>>55203276
The cynics weren't big on the idea of going out and actively bettering the world, feeling it ultimately futile. This was a big point where the stoics, who were influenced by them (Diogenes was a big influence on Zeno IIRC) differed from them, and why the stoics would be better suited to being paladins than the cynics.

Now a cynic monk would be extremely fitting.

>>55198882
Sure, but their course to pursuing virtue and bettering the world isn't dependent on the gods. Stoicism isn't tied to any specific god (being in fact pantheistic) and doesn't require veneration of any gods.

>>55216407
That's a fair point, honestly. Plus, now I'm imagining playing a Diogenesian Way of the Drunken Master monk and it seems like it'd be fun as hell.

>>55216468
>Classical Era campaign
>Stoic Paladin
>Diogenes-esque Monk
>Actual Lake Nemi druid, so he actually has a reason to fight superiors as he advances
>Zoroastrian Magi calling on higher and higher circles of Devas for gifts.
>Warlock making blood pacts with Zalmoxis in the Balkans, or an angry Etruscan ancestor spirit.
There. We've got neat ideas for a neat campaign.
This thread, with all it's autism and shitposting, served a purpose.
Thank you, /tg/.

>>55199716
I can't believe 4chan came together to defend something odd that's hurting literally nobody. Today, I am proud.

>>55212949
So, a spy?

So, what is a special snowflake? It's a person (and its character) who is desperate for attention and attracts it by all wrong means.
> There are 5 races in your setting? The snowflake will play the sixth one.
> Your game is inspired by medieval European setting? The snowflake will want to play samurai/ monk/ ninja/ whatever. It's not like snowflakes are always weeaboo, if the game was set in ancient Japan, their character would likely be a European paladin.
> The most inappropriate alignment.
> Edgy backstory.

>>55216980
>Edgy backstory.
Unless you're aiming for edgy backstories, in which case they'll be a farmboy or former city guard from a place that's as bland and boring as possible.

>>55216980
>>55217014
So, a contrarian.

>>55217023
In theory, there are other ways to be a snowflake, I suppose, but it's certainly the fastest route.

>>55205426
do it again Bomber Harris

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>>55197603

Sounds like you need a Warforged Oath of Law Paladin in your life.

>Serve the public trust.
>Defend the innocent.
>Uphold the law.
>[CLASSIFIED]

>>55216468
Why would a Cynic monk ever go on an adventure?
Seriously. Cynics are renowned as being impossible to motivate because what they want is so simple it can be gotten on any street corner.

>>55216980
>edgy backstory
Can rape ever be use for non-edgy/fap reasons?

>I want to be as good as an armed and armored dude even though I'm unarmed and unarmored
>I want to be as good as a dude who can warp reality at a whim even though I'm just a dude with a sword

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>Chaotic neutral
It's either pic related, or fucking lolrandom shit. every. fucking. time.

>"I want to be a paladin, but one that doesn't follow any gods!"
>"Also I want a gun when we start off. But it's like a primitive gun so it's the only one like it and nobody knows what it is"
>Picks some retarded homebrew class for our first game
>Gets angry when one of us makes a comment about chaotic neutral being.. chaotic.
>"I'm just saying there are good aspects to chaotic neutral too!"
In the grand scheme of things nothing too bad, but it literally activates every fucking pet peeve I have when it comes to these things.

>>55197544
When was this ever not the norm?

Raven Queen Warlocks

>>55221215
man DnD is all about that list of pantheon of gods for you to pick, it's right up there with race/class

>>55221042
>pointing out that extremism is bad is, apparently, bad

lol nope

>>55221373
I mean there's nothing wrong with that per se, just that the alignment tends to draw the edgelords who constantly want to jerk themselves off about how "above it all" they are.

>>55221445
>alignments
found your problem.

>>55197544
>>"My paladin worships no gods but ideals.
That is hardly fucking a snowflake, that is the excepted default.
In 4e, it was almost encouraged too.

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>>55221662
Valid point.

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>>55221445
On the other hand, Extremism tends to draw in Lawful Cockbags who like to jerk off to "if you're not with me you're against me" paranoia and lump anyone who doesn't walk and talk exactly like them into some Other like SJWs or Nazis.

Honestly I'd rather hang with a douchebag "Centrist" than a Douchebag Extremist, simply because when the douchebaggery is moved aside they're more likely to be right.

>>55221873
I guess I'm a bit biased since generally I'm dealing with the former instead of the latter, but I can see how dealing with a lawful autist on the same level would be worse.

>centrists aren't true neutral
unless you're a cockbag who believes no one is true neutral because we all have bias/sin/ambition, I don't see how you could come to this conclusion.

>>55198953
>Japanese
Damn, weaboo aryans are the worst kind of people possible.

>>55204322
You need to read The Descent of Man. He pretty much caused the begining of social darwinism, and Galton and others pushed it further

>>55222252
>NEET lifestyle
>dependent on social welfare
>We wuz Jarls

They're basically European niggers.

>>55222034
>Political beliefs are the same as alignment
Finally found the snowflake.

>>55203967
>Question a man's personal ideals without forcing him to be honest in any way
>Ask him the same questions under Zone of Truth
wa-la

>>55222560
>centrism is just a political belief

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>>55205426
do it again Bomber Harris

>>55222763
It's been fun watching that empire crumble and its crown gather rust.

>>55222742
>if you'be nod with us you're ablainst uf

Please leave.

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>>55222742
>Implying Centrism isn't a political belief
You're gonna have to run that one by me again, skipper.

>>55222818
>>55222810
You both have terrible reading comprehension.

>/pol/tards and /v/ermin ruin another thread
If only the mods would do their fucking jobs and purge the scum

>>55222997
it's a fucking snowflake thread you fucking retard. There was nothing to ruin in the beginning.

>>55222779
Keep being mad Spaniard, Gibraltar's still ours

>>55199716
Fuck you, go eat shit.

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>>55209198
My god that is so fucking comfy.

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>>55197544
This is literally how Paladins work. You're welcome to devote yourself to a God, but it is your Oath that your power hinges on; you're not a cleric sucking off some cosmic patron for power, you're a holy champion whose first and last allegiance is to what is Right, Good, and Just.

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>>55212360
RIP
At least Juk drew some decent porn before he fucked off