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Teysa Orzhov Scion

Yay or nay

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>>55193903
>What's your favorite commander that just isn't quite good enough, and why?

Intet the Dreamer. It's Dragon Tribal, and she's a 6/6 flyer which is big enough that I've won with Commander Damage on Numerous occasions, but she doesn't really do anything for Dragon Tribal besides occasionally casting a big beasty for free.

Still my favorite deck though!

>>55193948
Yay.

>>55193903
Marrow Gnawer is great, tho. The only weakness he has is lack of good rats.

>>55193948
Teysa is amazing.

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>>55193903
>What's your favorite commander that just isn't quite good enough, and why?
>mono white
>8cmc
That should answer why. But fuck me do I love angels and mono white.

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>>55193948
Nay, use fuccboi & meme-weaver

>>55194016
>tfw only Angel commanders covering the whole spectrum are Kaalia and Tariel
>Kaalia isn't even an angel

So I was thinking of doing a kess spell slinging deck, but I realized I don't really have a lot of good cards for it, nor do I really wanna sink a lot into it. But I did already order a bunch of the mana for a Grixis mana base. Is there a way to do Kess without the normal storm or whatever bullshit, or would it be better to just stick with Inalla for right now?

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>>55193980
Oh, I love Marrow-Gnawer. He was one of my first decks and was one of the first rares I ever pulled, but there are only a handful of rats that are any good. To go off with any consistency you have to pack your deck with shitty cards or play a meme relentless rats deck.

I have a Reaper King deck, and while scarecrow are also shitty, out can at least hold it's own.

>>55194062
Jenara?

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Is a tribal deck with this guy viable or even competitive?
Should I get the Guided by nature precon to get elf stuff?

>>55194094
There's even fewer Angels in Bant than in Mardu and Jenara is arguably even worse of a tribal commander.

>>55194119
He's the best elf commander, anon. Also the most popular one.

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>>55193903
Mairsil + mycosynth lattice for even more jank?

>>55194142
Alright, is the Guided by nature precon worth getting to build him or should i just look around for builds and stuff i may like

>>55194062
>>tfw only Angel commanders covering the whole spectrum are Kaalia and Tariel
>>Kaalia isn't even an angel
Oh, anon. You don't know how badly I was hoping angels were gonna be one of the tribes in C17...

>>55194085
Reaper King was the first deck I built back when I started in New Phyrexia. Entirely constructed out of my friends bulk and nonsense, it was a beautiful menagerie of terrible commons and uncommons with an artifact theme (thanks Mirrodin), but every time I got to slam down that King and boldly shout "ITS HARVEST TIME", I was as proud of that deck as I have ever been of any deck since. Over the years of playing with this group that got me into Magic (I didn't realize there were even other ways to play besides with 100 cards and a general) the deck slowly gained more rares, scarecrows, and artifact nonsense until it formed into the scariest deck in our playgroup, and the mere whisper of Harvest Time would send shudders down my friends' spine.

Flash forward 6 years, 1500 miles, and at least 50 decks built and retired. I no longer play with those long gone friends, and honestly I don't even have a group to play with that I even like. Still, Reaper King resides in a hallowed space in my deck case, foiled out, with only the most beautiful un-lands, triple sleeved with Perfect Fit Dragon Shields, Yuru Yuri custom art sleeves, and oversized art covers. It's final form a deck so bewildering to behold, so beautiful and terrible at the same time, an amalgamation of artifact and five color combo, that any who face its glory soon learn the terror of the words of the King.

To play Reaper King is to play the King of Magic. To utter his holy mantra is to evoke an emotion previously unbeknownst to those who hear it. To King is to Harvest. To Harvest is to King.

Remember this next time you play Magic, you're only playing a cheap imitation of what it actually is. Until you experience the Harvest, you have not truly experienced anything.

Hear his words and tremble, learn his words and rule. Play the King and only the King, and remember:
"It's Harvest Time."

>>55194161
So if Mairsil cages an artifact planeswalker, can he use loyalty abilities?

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>>55193903
Demon Lands when?

An enchantment that "possesses" all of your permanents to be Demons would be pretty funky.

>>55194080
Sedris deck, you say? But yeah, just tinker with Inalla and Kess, see what works.

>>55194124
I can really only think of one black angel I care about, but yeah there's a couple decent red angels.

Hmm.

>>55194213
only ones that do not require you to add/remove loyality counters I think

Fucking Christ we are at like 50% of these generals having no subject line at this point, get your fuckig shit together

>>55193903
Haha, OP, you seemed to have forgotten the Discord info. Here it is:

/tg/ EDH General Discord
https://discord.gg/UE9Vqzu

Don't beat yourself up about it though. Just try to be less forgetful next time.

>>55194080
I had a sedris reanimator deck I recently transformed into kess reanimator, the deck instantly became way better and won 2 of its first 3 games

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/greatest-hits-remixed/?cat=color&sort=

>>55194215
Mycosynth Lattice + March of the Machines + some anthem effect to pump everything's toughness + Conspiracy naming demons should do the trick, but at that point you don't really need Rakdos.

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http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/unlimited-equip-works/

Nazahn is probably one of my favorite newer commanders to come out lately. He does what a white equip commander wants with the added benefit of mana ramp from green.

Not sure what I could add or remove to make it better, though.

>>55194270
Oh, I didn't mean turning stuff into creatures.

Just adding the "Demon" type to every permanent. So basically "Basic Land - Mountain Demon" or "Artifact - Demon".

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>IS EVERYONE READY FOR NOTHING?!

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>>55194309
I'd rather play this one.

>>55194309

This isn't that bad, the 0 is quite good and enables the mediocre +2 well

>>55194284
If you don't turn stuff into creatures you can't give things the creature type Demon unless you give the card a Tribal supertype too.

>>55194344
I wouldn't, five mana one looks better. However they work okay together.

Really the problem with the five mana one is having so little starting loyalty.

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Post commanders that instantly let you know your opponent is a pleb

>>55194161
>>55194213
The cards in your hand are colorless, but they aren't permanents yet, so they're not artifacts.
You can't cage anything special.

>>55194527
Aw. Correct Anon is correct.

>>55194527
ah damn, that sucks. for some reason I thought it turns everything into artifacts, back to the drawing board I guess.

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/whups-big-creatures/

I like how all it took to change my Mayael deck from 100% Casual to 100% Competitive was to change the description from "Low Powered Mayael deck" to "Mayael the Anima! Crush your enemies under the hooves, paws, and claws of your army of deadly creatures!"

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I really want to make an Edh deck with the thematic of a hug deck. But instead of being useful and sitting there being nice. I want to just make the deck pure chaos. Possibility Storm levels of chaos. For thematic reasons I Wana run Arjun as the commander so even I don't know what I might have in hand. Any ideas of sure shot includes? Propaganda seems obvious as I don't want everyone to juke me before I've at least given some one an anueryism. I do t want to to win. I just want to have fun watching people have no clue what's happening

>>55194309
Bleh. Fine. The wall seems better for this effect and the dinosaurs are tiny.

They could've pushed it more like they did Gideon.

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>>55194728
It will take you 20 minutes to finish this effect, but it's worth it.

>>55194204
I don't have anything to add, but just wanted to say i enjoyed your wall of text.

>>55194728
First, let me tell you a wholehearted fuck you for building a Chaos deck.

That said:
Starke of Rath
Bitter Feud
Rite of the Raging Storm
Wild Evocation
Illicit Auction
Twist Allegiance
Warp World
Whims of Fates
Omen Machine
Possessed Portal
Soul Conduit
Teferi's Puzzle Box
Smockestacks
Uba Mask
Crown of Doom
Bazaar Trader
Humble Defector
Mana-Charged Dragon
Bludgeon Brawl
Lightning Storm
Rainbow Vale
Contested War Zone
Goblin Cadets
Diaochan, Artful Beauty

Those are pretty much all taken from my Diaochan Group Fug deck built around letting people draw a ton of shit and switching control of stuff around.

>>55194240
You're right, that's my bad. I apologize.

>>55194879

Sall good baby boo

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>>55194728
Change Encounter & Coin Flip Tribal might be something to consider

http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Search/Default.aspx?action=advanced&text=+[coin]+![{B}]+![{W}]+![{G}]&color=+@(|[R]|[U]|[C])

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How do I build her grace? Faerie Tribal? Mill? Both?

>>55194946
Faerie Tribal with Oona as a way to just get more tokens.

Paying mana to mill in EDH, especially in Dimir, is not going to work.

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>>55194946
Well this is a start

>>55194760
Oh God it's everything I wanted
>>55194876
I play with jackasses. I assure you they deserve every second of it
>>55194936
Oooo perfect

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guess the commander

>Playing my new Karametra animate lands jank
>All of my lands are animated by Liege of the Tangle with a Sacred Ground on the field
>Opponent gets cheeky and uses Nevinyrral's Disk
>I cast Natural Affinity in response

Why is it I'm the bad guy?

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>>55194995
Don't forget all your copy target spell / redirect target spell cards

And especially not the king of them all

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>>55194946
perhaps with more wine?

>>55195002
Ragnar.

>>55195022
no, but it is 3 colors and 3 cmc

>>55195002
Noyan Dar

>>55194995
>>55195013
Portal Mage and Disrupt Decorum are also very cheeky.

>>55194728
chaos is very not fun (for everybody) but i'm not going to tell you to stop

>>55194309
>5 mana for 3 loyalty counters
lmao this card is a joke

>>55195046
Good shout.

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ye?

>>55195046
>Until your next turn, those creatures attack each combat if able and attack a player other than you if able.
Keep skipping your next turn with Chronatog. If it ends up that one player's left or if things look otherwise bad, stop skipping turns.

>>55195068
The group I play with are generally easy going and up for a laugh. Except for the one guy who insists his paper commander is good then complains we're tryhardong

>>55195087
Needing a creature for fuel's pretty crappy unless you really want to build around it.

>>55195096
>"FIGHT FOR MY AMUSEMENT, PLEBS!"

>>55195110
But it's in black so zombie and vamp tokens are everywhere and you're almost certainly going to gain life as it dies cause half your opponents to lose life and have to sacrifice another creature. So I'd say it's a null point

>>55194964
Alright, what can I do with these tokens? Just swing?

>>55195213
Tribal decks tend to win by swinging. That's why they run lords.

>>55195213
Pretty much. There's a few decent cards with less boring effects that work with creatures of the same type as well as a few decent Faerie specific support cards and a bunch of blue/black flying support.

>>55194309
You know when you are taking a shit a d it snells really bad, but its your shit so its ok but you cant stop shitting because you already have shit on your ass si you might as well finish shitting

This is what its like playing mtg now, its shit but you already have so much shit on you you might as well keep going

>>55195460
You could always get all your friends together and play Cockatrice and every few days challenge people with unique restrictions on deck building.

>>55195213
Faerie Rogue Tribal is also cute.

>>55194728
Play the djinn that let's you exchange control of two permanents

>>55195470
Id rather not let my friends watch me shit, college was really weird that one time

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>>55195474
>>55195403
>>55195423
Maybe something like this with cards to change creature types?

I met Mark Rosewater at a local game store in Renton last week. I told him how cool it was to meet him in person, but I didn’t want to be a douche and bother him and ask him to sign cards or anything. He said, “Oh, like you’re doing now?” I was taken aback, and all I could say was “Huh?” but he kept cutting me off and going “huh? huh? huh?”, jumping up and down, closing his hand shut in front of my face. I walked away and continued looking through trade binders, and I heard him chuckle as I walked off. When I came to pay for my cards up front I saw him trying to walk out the doors with like fifteen Thragtusks in his hands without paying. The girl at the counter was very nice about it and professional, and was like “Sir, you need to pay for those first.” At first he kept pretending to be tired and not hear her, but eventually turned back around and brought them to the counter. When she took one of the cards and started scanning it multiple times, he stopped her and told her to scan them each individually “Just in case one of them was an Interfetterence” and then turned around and winked at me. I don’t even think that’s the name of a magic card. After she scanned each card and put them in a bag and started to say the price, he kept interrupting her by yawning really loudly.

>>55195546
Standardize is the classic janky combo with that.

Is rubric thar the best way to give the middle finger to those types of players that are always playing grixis or sultai with lots of control, sweepers and combo?

>>55194177
definitely buy it if you can find it around msrp. it has tons of value

>>55195597
damn I havent been on /mu/ in a long time

>>55195597
Your pasta is stale. And yet I replies anyway, so 6/10.

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Guess the Commander

>>55195733
i was asking because i can get it below msrp from a friend who bought a ton and wants to get rid of a few

>>55196002
Whatever it is, the blue elements are a giant middle finger pointed at you.

>>55193903
Most of Kamigawa's legendary Spirits. Special mentions go to the Kirins and Oyobi, Who Split the Heavens - all of the cards that support the Spirit/Arcane playstyle are monocolor.

>>55196063
Yeah, I have an Oyobi deck and it's... okay.

Anointed Procession was the biggest boon.

>>55196002
Thasa or Thromokratis or Volthos sea food tribal, hence the high number of 2 mana ramp artifacts and influx in 6 mana cards as well as a gigantic blue mana card, probably Inkwell Leviathan.

>>55196114
Actually, never mind, there is no Ula's Temple, no sane person would skip that one.

>>55196007
https://www.mtggoldfish.com/price/Sealed+Product/Commander+2014+Guided+by+Nature#paper

It's more than worth it. Not sure why your friend geared up to scalp it and just isn't though, they easily could.

>>55196114
Well thought-out, but as you note, no Quest for Ula's Temple means that's not it.

I have an Abundance and Traverse the outlands. What should come out for these two?
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/02-09-17-tokens-tokens-tokens/

>>55195597
Holy shit, he's such a faggot.

>>55196101
I've been thinking about running Cloudhoof or Celestial Kirin.

>>55196173
Mark Toiletwater or the guy who spent the time typing this pasta?

>>55196162
Final guess would be Unesh, because big-fat sphinx need a ton of mana and there's a lot of 4 mana sphinx IIRC, too.

>>55196201
Celestial will probably get you more unwanted attention than Oyobi however Celestial is admittedly better.

A shame that Evermind is blue.

>>55196212
Hm... another decent guess, but no... it's a bit jankier than that.

Also I loved how fickle tappedout is. It flipped to 100% Competitive a few minutes later when I reloaded the page.

>>55196238
Celestial wouldn't work well against the people I play against, now that I think about it. One likes to go wide with tokens, and the other likes to drop huge creatures (his main decks are Ur-Dragon and Horde of Notions).

>>55196173
It's a pasta, anon

Can anyone help me make the last four cuts to Inalla ETB tribal?

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/rincewind-time/

>>55195076
>>55194401
Th starting loyalty is obviously costed around her -X. Damage divided as you choose has historically been pretty potent, as well as potentially closing out any blocks.

>>55196325
No it wasn't.

>>55196408
Crypt Incursion.

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>>55196460

>>55194178

I run Gisela Angel tribal. I am right there with you. I'd love more Angels that care about Angels.

It drives me insane that Sigarda doesn't work in Boros commander colors. I can't run her as a commander, because then I lose access to all the R/W legendary angels, but her sacrifice-blocking ability is exactly what my deck needs.

We'll just have to wait for Serra to eventually be made the focus of a Commander product, as that deck will no doubt have some love for angels.

>>55195087
I'm throwing one in my scarab god deck. Bringing it back as a 4/4 is the bad case which works out fine

>>55197026
>>55194178
Bruna's a fun angel commander. Plus, if you're running angel tribal, your deck is gonna be rough anyway, so the monowhite part won't be too bad.

Inheritance, Staff of Nin and Mind's Eye should help with the card draw issue.

>>55197026
>yfw serra will be WUG and it will be equipment matters full of cats and hammers

>sol ring is still unbanned if you aren't on magic online
>painter's servant is still banned

???

Uhhhhh, EDHfangays?

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/cloudhoof-kirin-arcane-tribal/

Any advice here?

>>55197076
is that why Urza sank her realm?

>>55197116
Set to private. Also, Mill is bad in EDH, so I recommend selfmill.

>>55197156
No he did that because he needed a battery. Serra had already ditched it by then, though, since it had Phyrexia Goo all over it.

>>55197065

I'm building a non-Eldrazi Bruna, but for Angel tribal I can really only justify Gisela or Aurelia as the commander given how high-impact they are. Having to sac has been really fucking my shit up, which is why I wish I could include Sigarda.

I do have Mind's Eye. Need to pick up Staff and Inheritance. I'm also looking at Well of Lost Dreams, since angels have lifelink out the ass.

>>55197076
I accept it.

>>55197186
How would I win with selfmill? Labman + some sort of recursion/tutor?

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>>55197216
You could use stuff like Runechanter's Pike, Rise from the Tides, Cognivore, Academy Elite.

Do a heavy flashback subtheme with this guy, maybe. I assume this is a fairly casual deck given your choice of general. And you could use Body Double and similar for some Blue-Colorless Reanimator.

>>55196325
I know anon hehe

>>55197300
That's a good idea. And yeah, it's pretty casual. If I wanted to do something more competitive I'd run Kess Bubbling Tide.

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Do I use this in 5C Ur-Dragon Dragon Tribal, or in Intent the Dreamer Dragon Tribal?

What does /edh/ recommend for someone building their first edh deck in about a month? Mono, or dual color?

>>55197932
>x-spell in Intet
Noooooooooope.

>>55198000
Dont go mono colour if urent going monoblack

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>>55197932
Temur is a good enough color combo for dragon tribal. Intet himself kind of blows, but eh.

Use Gravitational Shift and this thing.

>>55197321
Glad I could help.

>>55198000
I'd do two color. The mana base isn't that hard with 2 colors and you don't have to deal with not having the right kind of answers, wraths or card draw as with monocolor.

>>55198000
2 color. Monocolor is not actually as simple as 2c in EDH because most of it will be building around the limitations of that color and it significantly limits even the kinds of mana rocks you can play. You'll very rarely get color screwed in 2c with even a modicum of fixing, and the colors can help cover each other's weaknesses.

>>55194119
HELL YEAH!
Best birthday gift from friends.
>Purchased their own losing streaks

>>55198023
>>55198032
>>55198047
Cool thanks for the feedback. Trying to build a budget deck that can be upgraded over time with my group. Dual color it is.

>>55198062
Avoid RW. It's far and away the worst color pair in EDH.

>>55198087
What about UG? I love the color pair in other formats and I am a Biology major so all that Simic stuff appeals to me.

>>55198094
Sounds good to me.

>>55198094
One of the best, alongside GB.

>>55194514

any commander who has card text that interacts directly with the rules of commander.

>>55198008

Ugh, that's a good point. I hardly ever use Intet's ability though... No, you're probably right.

>>55198135
>>55198143
Sweet. Thanks my dudes. Time to pick my commander.

I've found that I really, really like to draw cards. Having a lot of cards in hand and taking in more makes me happy. I generally play control of some kind.

What's a good/the best commander for drawing? I think that's all I really need him for. No need for big threats as they always get removed. But a commander in the right colours that draws a lot? Perfect for me.

>>55198240
Damia
Arjun
Jin-Gitaxias
Niv-Mizzet
Azami

>>55198240
Sygg, River Cutthroat

Don't fall for dumb memes like playing unblockable pikers or flying men.
Just play UB control and sygg can draw off of opponents hitting each other or things like v-clique, shriekmaw, and nimble obstructionist.

good evasive creatures in naya colors?

I want to make use of the bear umbra/feast&famine + aggravated assault combo and I want a couple creatures that I can GSZ for and go off out of nowhere. I already have Iroas but I want something good on it's own

>>55198240
Edric, or Seshiro for hard mode.

>>55198331
Hmmm, don't like Izzet much. Mono blue seems cool but I do prefer 2 colours. Not a big fan of 3, even though fixing is easy with green. Damia still looks damn good. Mana costly though

>>55198360
Seems underwhelming.

>>55198420
>>55198331
Actually, come to think of it, Jin and Damia don't really do what I want here. I like to have more than 7 cards. Azami looks good but mono blue control isn't as fun as Azorius or Esper.

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>>55198240
>literal retards replying to you.
Let me tell you about drawing cards.
Rashmi.
Counterspell? Draw a card to replace it.
Cantrip? How about a draw, some scry, and another draw.
Mana rock? Card.
Mana dork? Card.
Beast within, pongify, mutation? Card.
Fact or fiction, pull from tomorrow, blue Sun's zenith? Oodles of cards.
Winning? Just throw a Labman in there and draw it eventually.
Want to win quick? Combo. Scepter/reversal? Done. Enter the infinite? Done.
Ask me about reality shift and beast within to Exile your opponent's libraries.

>>55198443
>Jin + reliquary tower/thought vessel
Way more than 7.

>>55198519
Yes, my mistake. Was thinking of another card.

10 cost commander though. Ugh.

>>55198489
That's actually damn good. Missing white or black to play usual control but damn.

Shame I hate Indians so much

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>>55198240

What's the most complex (but still effective) commander to run?

>>55198539
Not a fan of Izzet and I don't really want to discard when drawing.

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>>55198364
Nobody ever remembers Iroas's best boy

>>55198539
best God.

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>>55194054
I unironically believe Ramos+Tymna are better than any single Orzhov commander.

More interesting to play against than Teysa, aka Tutor Darkest Hour, or Karlov/Ayli lifegain too

Thingken of building angel tribal, i want W for sure but i also want G pretty badly for ramp and B because WB waifus. I was thinking of using Atraxa but i miss R wich is pretty big among angels, what do?

>>55198722
saskia or bruse/ikra shidiqi for the colors

>>55198530
>t1 entomb jin
>t2 animate him
>t2 jin
Magical christmas

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So if i end the turn with Sundial of the Infinite my cheated dragon gets still exiled during the next opponent's turn, correct?
What if i blink those dragons? The card that returns is a totally new instance of that card so it shouldn't be exiled, correct?

>>55198775
if you blink them you keep them

>>55198628
Blaxos lets you explore every nook and cranny of Enchantments Matter while providing the bitter mercy of ignoring all obligation to save space for enchantress/ramp cards in deckbuilding. You're forced to not be distracted by Green in order to make sure your enchanments matter.

>>55194309
she's not that bad.
>protects her self in 2 ways
>in Boros you should be attacking so her -x helps you get through
>makes creatures

I'm assuming the low loyalty is to keep her -x in check because that effect can actually be pretty potent.


she's not great but I think she could be decent for standard

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>>55194309
>>55194344
She can stroke my dinosaur anytime

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I want to build best boy Bartel, but there are almost 0 decks with him online. Any recommendations for him?

>>55198921
Axe tribal?

>>55198775
>So if i end the turn with Sundial of the Infinite my cheated dragon gets still exiled during the next opponent's turn, correct?
No, because that trigger is gone forever, you only have to do it once per dragon you cheat out.

>>55198959
But it says "at the end of any turn" not "your next end turn" so it triggers again at my opponent's end step

>>55198775
>>55198959
Okay, so here's probably where the confusion comes in. There are two scenarios.

Scenario One
>Some time during your turn, you activate Sundial and end the turn. You skip straight past the point where the trigger would've been put on the stack. The trigger still waits around until the next available end step, because it didn't see an end step happen during your turn. It goes on the stack then and the dragon gets exiled.

Scenario Two
>You wait until the end of your turn. The trigger to exile the dragon is put on the stack, but before it resolves, you use Sundial to end the turn. The ability gets exiled, the dragon stays. Since the ability was put on the stack, even though it never resolved, it doesn't try again.

You want Scenario Two.

>>55198930
He's a Giant Warrior, so I might do Giant Tribal?

>>55199018
You exiled the trigger, the thing is gone forever.

>>55199018
Zirilan's Oracle Text is a bit more clear:
>{1}{R}{R}, {T}: Search your library for a Dragon permanent card and put that card onto the battlefield. Then shuffle your library. That Dragon gains haste until end of turn. Exile it at the beginning of the next end step.

>>55199023
There's some nice tribal giant stuff courtesy of lorwyn, problem is giants are a tribe of 5 CMC+ dudes.

>>55199023
I honestly think axe tribal would be more viable.

>>55199036
Ok then that makes it much more clear but they basically changed completely how the card works in the original wording

>>55199045
The problem is that even his colors are kind of weird- the Red makes sense, and Green's got some good Giant stuff, but Black is weird for a Giant. All I have so far is to not put in Auras, and to put in the matching-color Titans.

>>55199088
Not exactly. There wasn't really any way for it to work differently than it does now back then. There were no Time Stops or Sundials.

>>55199088
It wouldn't say "At the end of your turn", since you could activate it during an opponent's turn and that'd give you a free blocker and attacker, and it doesn't say "At the end of every turn," because then it would generate a triggered ability constantly every turn forever even after the dragon is gone and it does nothing.

It was always meant to function how it functions now, they just didn't have the templating in line.

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>>55199091
You get to use this dude so I'd say it's worth the effort.

>>55198489
How do you exile your opponent's library?

>>55198539
Just made this guy a commander and he is fun as fuck. Shitting all over the board with Jace's Archivist and Teferi's Puzzle Box. Game usually ends if I pull Coat of Arms with ~10 bugs or better.

>>55193964
Free spells seems really good. Why aren't they good enough?

>>55199243
Consider running Azami and type changing things in there?

>>55194728
dont

>>55194309
>>55194344
Why not both? AT THE SAME TIME?

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>>55199314
Not seeing a lot of cards to let me do that. Might get Kindred Discovery though. If I have Laboratory Maniac out, I can drop it and pull one card to mill myself to victory.

>>55199472
You can also draw out with Ashnod's Altar + Skullclamp.

>>55199485
Ooh. Ashnod's is way cheaper and I already have Skullclamp. I shall look into this.
maybe both

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>>55199243
>have a purph, psychosis crawler, and arjun out
>mfw

>>55199499
Do you run Impact Tremors? It's an alternative to LabMan for winning from a token loop.

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Here's my "budget" landbase for Ur-Dragon:

Rocky Tar Pit
Mountain Valley
Bad River
Grasslands
Flood Plain
Terramorphic Expanse
Evolving Wilds
Canopy Vista
Smoldering Marsh
Cinder Glade
Prairie Stream
Sunken Hollow
Llanowar Wastes
Yavimaya Coast
Crucible of the Spirit Dragon
Haven of the Spirit Dragon
Path of Ancestory
Mana Confluence
Exotic Orchard
5x Mountain
5x Forest
3x Plain
2x Island
2x Swamp

The Mirage Fetch Lands are cheap, as are the BfZ Duals (which after turn two will be better than shocks). I also have Chromatic Lantern in the deck for additional mana fixing.

The eventual plan is to replace the Mirage Fetchlands with regular fetchlands and the BfZ Duals with shocks, but that's going to require some saving first.

>>55199519
I do, actually. Might not be a bad idea, though some of the people I play with can get stupid amounts of life sometimes if they pull correctly. Couldn't hurt to keep my options open though.

I'm also now aware that I have somehow managed to play four games with this fucker in my deck and still haven't seen him. Considering I go through about half my library each game, this strikes me as incredibly strange and unlikely.

>>55199553
Opposition can let you turn your swarming into a stall tactic.

>>55199573
Eh. My deck tends to work fast and I'm usually up against 4 to 5 players in my group at any given time. I'll keep it in mind but I don't think it will mesh well with the overall deck flow.
Plus one of my friends plays Drana and he likes to kill the Locust God every turn until I can get some form of hexproof on him.

A question to Europeans: which online reseller do you use? I've never bought cards online and just realized my local reseller is pretty goddamn expensive.

>>55199644
Magic Card Market is the way to go.

>>55199688
Yeah, you just want to try and get as much from the same seller as possible to minimise shipping costs.

>>55199553
Getting Purpohors in there too if you already run Impact Tremors, his pump works great in this because all your bugs have haste.

>>55199688
>>55199707
Thanks guys.

Haven't played any magic in about 5 years, completely fell off the wagon after college, haven't even been to /tg/ in that long.

Heard there's been a whole bunch of changes lately, just wondering if now would be a good time to hop back in? Honest opinions time lay it on me.

>>55195038
Leovold or Derevi.

>>55199925
It very much depends on what aspects of the game you like and what your prospects for playing at look like.

>>55199991
Well I did enjoy big EDH games with the buds and I still have a few of those decks, so I figured I'd start there - but with all these official Wizard edh things out now I feel a little lost.

I think it'll be a while before I play modern, my Unexpected Results X Emrakul deck still seems to be legal though, so that's cool

Opinions on Vizier of the Menagerie?

>>55200031
it's whelming in EDH. Not much to it, just creates an 8th card in hand.

>>55200031
I love him in my Scion of the Ur Dragon deck.

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>>55199925
Poster here, looking over my old favorite deck brings back some memories.

Any big bodies I should look into from recent sets?

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>>55193903
Requesting any secret tech, jank, or dumb bullshit in Mardu colors involving MLD/Stax/Death & taxes. Current thought is going for MLD after landing a planeswalker or two to close the game out

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>>55200247
The new Eldrazi titans come to mind.

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>>55200261

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>>55200284
Jesus fucking christ.
Also they brought back the Eldrazi I see, cool, cool.

Looking through my less fun to play "Make sure that one guy doesn't get to have fun" Zur deck - Forgot I owned the semen demon sisters.

>>55200288
That pic is missing War's Toll.

>>55200322
It's missing a lot of stuff if I'm being honest and I'm the one that made it.

I've been gone from magic for about six years and got back in via Modern and Commander and holy fuck what happened to Standard? Why are so many cards just worse now?

Like look at Throttle vs Dismember. A -4/-4 for 5 vs a -5/-5 for 3.

Why is Wizards trying to make cards in standard weaker? Don't they know this hurts Modern too because it means no new cards which leads to the format growing stale? I know there's shit like Fatal Push but I look at so many new cards and hear how shit like Birds of Paradise is "too powerful" now and I just wonder what went wrong.

>>55200288
>Descent into Madness

I want to make a deck revolving around that so bad.

>>55200491
Assemble the legion gives you growing fodder for it.

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>>55196436
Actually the effect has been historically very overrated. People were cery hyped about pic related when it was spoiled. Aurelia's Fury was over $10 when it first released but it actually sucks so it became a 50 cent mythic.

>>55200247
Walking Ballista

>>55198921
35 buckaroos

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>>55194309
Why does WotC hate Boros so much?

>>55200565
...Do people combo this with basilisk collar?

It seems like people would want to do that.

>>55200261
I assume you're aware of the new hotness of resolving Teferi's Protection above Jokulhaups.

>>55199548

Problem is that the mirage fetchlands are really bad when you're fetching lands that come in tapped

>>55200565
Is there some combo for that card that I don't know/understand? I don't really understand what's the value of that card that makes it costs that much

Also, since I've actually found it,
should I sell it as soon as I can or its value should remain roughly the same even after Kaladesh rotates out, maybe because it's not used only in standard

>>55200541
It was printed in the same format as Bonfire, so it never really had a chance.

>>55200614

It's just a very solid card that can be a stand alone threat while also being one of the best infinite mana outlets

>>55200614
It's a mana sink, wins you the game flat out with infinite man, has infinite combo with that guy who gives your nonhumans undying.

>>55200679
>has infinite combo with that guy who gives your nonhumans undying

You need a sac outlet for that. He's not Triskelion.

>>55200690
out yeah, but 3 card infinite is still decent enough, even if it could be a 2 card one but isnt

>>55200690
The fact that he's not Triskelion is the reason it can work, isn't it?
>Summon Ballista with Mikaeus on the field for 2 mana with 1 counter
>Use the counter to deal one damage, Ballista becomes 0/0 and dies
>Mikaeus brings it back with ne +1/+1 couonter
>Repeat the last two points

>>55200725
Nah, Mike also gives it +1/1, base on top of the +1 counter from undying.

>>55200725
Ignore this, I forgot about the +1/+1 effect of Mikaeus

>>55200614
Combos with infinite mana but is also just an extremely efficient and strong creature. It literally sees play in all formats so the price will drop when Standard rotates but it will still be played.

In Vintage (and edh) it fits perfectly into the Bomberman combo of Auriok Salvagers + Black Lotus. Salvagers can make infinite mana and he can even return Ballista from the graveyard. In Legacy he is used for value and an infinite Food Chain combo outlet (can only spend the infinite mana on creatures).

>>55200725
Trike works because he has to spend a counter on killing himself.

>>55200845
Triskelion actually has to shoot itself twice, but it gets four counters so it's all good.

>>55194204
I liked your story. Could you give us a list? I've always been curious about making Reaper King.

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>>55200321
They also brought back Bolas btw

>>55200987
Dunno, the one I have is basically a million clones and a million ways to reuse them, the gameplan is to vindicate everything you see to death.

>>55200993
Jesus christ that +2

>>55201086
Eh, for 8 mana that's fucking nothing, the +1 is way more powerful.

>>55200987
that was pasta, I'm sorry.

>>55201086
The last deck I built was unexpected results, I'm a sucker for cheating things out

>Want to make Nazahn into an equipment-toolbox deck
>Have creatures like Kemba, Balan, NewMirri, Brimaz, Jedet and Nazahn himself as main beatdown cards
>Every other creature is either Cat ability proc, Mono-W control or ramp

Should I ditch the cat idea entirely?
Should I drop the creature ramp/control and focus on "Voltron" for my non-commander creatures?

I'm using Nazahn with the intent of him being a recurring equipment tutor in GW.

>>55201274
Ditch anything that's not equipment synergy stuff like Puresteel and CMC 2~4 double strikers. Green gives you access to creature tutors, ramp and card draw on top of more recursion.

>>55201274
Well, do you want to?
If you do you probably want to drop Green as well. Sram is the best Equipment Commander ever created.
While you're tutoring for your first equipment with Nazahn, Sram probably drew you a whole new hand and has the board clogged.

>>55201423
Sram doesn't let me assemble Kaldra.

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>>55200987
>>55201130

>mfw i unironically wrote the reaper king bit like 2 months ago
>mfw it became pasta
>mfw i see it posted
>mfw i actually have this deck
>mfw im not giving you the list

>>55201680
Kaldra don't win games. Card draw does.

I can buy the vampire precon for 36 usd. I'm planning on selling teferi's from it even though it's probably nuts in my blaxos deck. Do I buy and keep teferi's and build Olivia from the pieces left over or do I sell it or not buy at all?

Help me tg I'm so conflicted

>>55201833
Yeah, but Kaldra is actually cool, if I wanted to draw cards I'd play UG.

>>55196002
For the one person who was interested, it's Sakashima copycat tribal. The 9 mana spell is Clone Legion

>>55199023
That'd be cool. Unfortunately I don't think it'll be great but at least you have ramp.

>>55201835
its 20 dollars right now and will not be reprinted for a few years at least and even then its only going to be a one of in commander stuff. meanwhile its cyclonic rift levels of auto include in every single deck that has white. long story short keep it and sell it later

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Post super secret Licia tech!

>>55201835
Futavampire is cool, But I'm not sure of the timming on selling Teferi's Protection. Get the Precon, it's good.
>>55201854
You know you'll probably assemble Kaldra easier with Sram, right? You have all tutors for equipments except Nazahn and Card Draw.

>>55201924
Catman just has to attack with Blade of Selves once while you have 3 opponents, you actually have to play Kaldra pieces with Sram.

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>>55201200
>>55200321
>>55200247
>>55199925
This guy again, Wow prices are wild huh?

Angel of serenity is now $1 and Omniscience is at $10? Goodness gracious.

Anyway, this is the deck I'll probably build back up again.

Any suggestions are welcome.

>>55198240
I like playing X-Spells Mizzex.

Counters, draw, X spells. R I V E R " S R E B U K E

>>55198921
Just look up any fucking jund list with a commander that does nothing? There's heaps. Shit, look up Jund Highlander decks.

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>oh hey cards that care about being commanders are pretty fucking broken compared to other commanders, lets print more of them!

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>>55201915
pic related

>Unspeakable Symbol
>Abzan falconer
>Oona's blackguard
>Exava, Rakdos bloodwitch
>Mer-Ek nightblade
>Dauthi Embrace

>>55202015
they have yo power creeo the shit out of commanders they make or no one would buy the products

>>55202042
Holy hell, dauthi's embrace is insane!
Thanks anon

>>55201802
If you don't post it how can we know if its really you

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>>55202142

oh shit you got me

im too lazy to find the archive of the original post but here's the note i made when i wrote it out, the date and time coincides, should your autism drive you to find the archived thread

and i still aint posting no list

>>55202212
yeah, this is accurate.

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>>55202246
>Jace is stuck in Ixalan
What are the chances he will be stuck there for a good while?

>>55202288
>>55202246
Sorry, didn't mean to quto.

>>55202288
I mean, an entire year is a good while.

>>55202288
>>Jace is stuck in Ixalan
>What are the chances he will be stuck there for a good while?
HAHAHA! FUCKING CALLED IT!

WOW! The MOMENT He lost to Bolas I said "Huh. Wonder if he's going to end up on Ìxalan, no that won't matter unless he's stuck there some how."

>>55202305
I mean, he at least doesn't leave ixalan this block, or he only appears again in Ixalan2.0, or even better: Garruk kills him(it's not like he is the first planeswalker to die). Although I do think that wizards is just taking Jace for a trip.

>>55202288
The chances of that are 0. Jace has to be printed at least a few times a year so either mtg as a whole is stuck on Ixalan or Jace is leaving.

Okay if I kicked Rite of Replications onto Vela would all 5 copies hit the board and then leave causing 30 damage or no?

>>55202394
>Wizards thought process: The Gatewatch was a failure! I knew it! The players doesn't want other planeswalkers interfering in Jace's spotlight!

>>55202414
It works the same as Reaper King, if I understand it correctly. The 5 copies + the original all etb at same time, then they all see the 5 ltb for legendary rule. 5x6=30 so yeah it should work like that.

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>>55201802

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>>55202433
It's so true it hurts. Jace on basic lands is TOO FAR.

REEEEEEEEE

>>55202541
Are you twelve?

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>>55202613
>not liking dank pepe frog memes
Okay, Grandpa, time to take your meds.

>>55202288
they are going to have the gatewatch split up for a while. after this set jace won't likely appear for a bit because we will have a set where lilianna confronts the raven man on the viking plane. a member of the gatewatch might feature into the plot of dominaria altho it's more likely that karn will be the central figure there. after those two sets i would expect to see a return to theros set wherein somebody is tasked with saving elspeth from the underworld. (gideon?)

not sure when we'd see nissa or chandra again but wotc is probably going to spend some time developing the the hatewatch storyline with vraska, tezzeret, ral zarek, etc. and those two things might coincide. i think a set on vryn is very likely with or without jace there.

>>55202633
dumb frogposter

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>>55202613
>>55202665

Ayumi in the 99 where 4/~24 people in my local league plays Urborg.

Yay or nay?

>>55202789
there are more than one legendary land bro

>>55202822
In my meta, that's the one I see the most of. So that was my reference.

>>55202789
She's not top tier but she is decent if your group runs those lands.

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http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/inalla-prototype/

Anyone mind helping make 1 or 2 cuts? I've been feeling the deck is slightly too low on lands so I'd like to add 2 lands or 1 land and Gitaxian Probe

>>55202789
I run her in Reki. She helps trigger new Selvala's draw and there usually is an Urborg, Geir Reach Sanitarium or Phyrexian Tower.

Also, fun stats in general.

I need help deciding on guided by nature or swell the host. On one hand, guided by nature means upgrading to elfball which means laughing like a madman as I drop a craterhoof and swing for retarded amounts of damage. On the other hand, Newuri means pumping sage of the hours to a fuckton of +1/+1 counters and laughing as I basically get infinite turns.

>>55199132
Newlamog

>>55195087
>another creature
Does wotc hate fun?

>>55197079
Sol ring is only banned online for gay French rules.

>>55198087
This is a meme. The power gap between RW and other color combinations is not that pronounced.

>>55194728
Goblin game
Eye of the storm
Hive mind
Decree of anhiliation
Scramble verse
Time sifter
Order of succession
Warp world
Thieves auction
Confusion in the ranks
Dovescape
Grip of chaos
Price of glory
Psychic battle
Risky move
Shared fate
wild evocation
Omen machine

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>>55203881
>The power gap between RW and other color combinations is not that pronounced.

I wonder who's behind this post

>>55203881
Name five reliable ways to draw two or more cards that don't go away at the end of your turn in Boros. No random chance, no exile them and may cast them til end of turn. Just easy draw.

>>55200584
Red is WotC's most hated colo
White is second most hated
Do the math

>>55198628
A cursory glance at Ravos+Tymna on EDHREC and it just looks like either Cleric tribal or shitty Orzhov goodstuff, what's up?

How is this as a commander?
I'm interested in building moonfolk tribal

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>>55203970
Here you go

>>55204030
>tfw even mono white has better draw than Boros because you can run Sram as a general

>>55203881
Assuming this isn't mere trolling the issue with RW is doing fast and/or direct finite damage is bad in a format with double life

>>55195002
The feature is broken ATM, could be literally anyone

>>55204030
land tax + scroll rack
sword fire&ice + double strike
any wheel
skull clamp or mentor of the meek + any of the various token factories in their color identity
Sram
Puresteel Paladin

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>>55204118
>Sram
Bitch I was drawing cards all day in monowhite for more than a year before his short stubby ass came around.

>>55204234
Sram costs 2 and works with a third of your deck, Nahiri costs 5 and needs to tutor for the clamp before you get your engine rolling.

>>55204234
Man I just realized if I have absolutely have to I can use Marath to draw a shit ton of cards with skullclamp. I've been using Elspeth, Sun of Champions and saccing weaker monsters to it.

Sometimes I miss little things in my deck. Need a sword of Fire and Ice like someone else mentioned though.

Although honestly why play Boros when you can play Naya, Mardu, or Jeskai

>>55204323
>Although honestly why play Hardmode when you can play Easymode
FTFY

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So can this be used in response to a counter spell or do I have to use it before an opponent declares it?

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>>55204066
The deck is surprisingly synergistic. The psuedo-curiosity, anthem, and gravedigging that R+T provide turn otherwise EDH unplayable cards like Doomed Traveller and Oketra's Monument into legitimate value engines. The deck can close out games by looping Yosei or Kokusho.

tl;dr: bw tokens with looping etb/ltb effects as a wincon

I'm building a deck focused on playing a bunch of wurms. Should I go Trostani for big heals, or Ikra Shidiqi & Tymna the Weaver for also big heals but also black for Massacre Wurm? I dopn't know if it's worth adding black just for Massacre Wurm, despite his strength.

>>55204381
well it needs to be in play first since it doesn't have flash, which begs the question why would anyone use a counterspell if this thing is in play
but yes, this can be used in response to a counterspell to 'save' the spell from being countered

>>55204381

spell on the stack, counterspell on the stack, you use it, it resolves, boom, your spell is no longer a legal target

>>55204323
>Although honestly why play Boros when you can play Naya, Mardu, or Jeskai
Because I fucking want to.

>>55204030
>that don't go away at the end of your turn
If you play the card that turn, what's the difference?

Obviously direct draw is better (which RW also has, just not as much) but I feel like you're underestimating the pseudo draw mechanic.

I see people in here insinuate that RW is just terrible, when the power gap is actually not very large.

>got Cat deck
>can't decide between making Swole Cats with Arabho or going some other route with a different kitty

Fuck

>>55204415
>why would anyone use a counterspell if this thing is in play

Some people are incredibly stupid. One guy at my LGS saw a guy tutor for Teferi's Protection and than when the guy still had mana open and Teferi's Protection in hand used Cyclonic Rift and tilted into another plane of existence when it was cast.

>>55204030
W H E E L S

>>55193903

Can I get some constructive feedback on my Bruna EDH deck please?

https://deckstats.net/deck-13951347-87c17ee619cdb940c0ce8b55032765ad.html

Basic game plan is to slow/lockdown the board with stax effects then get into a state where we can safely get out bruna and start swinging people out the game. Some cards (crypt, thron, sphere, fetches) are not included due to budget constraints. Anything expensive in there is something I already own. Trying to keep it under $500

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>>55204107
is it time for /edhg/ memes?

>>55204680
>can't paste a reply into paint without fucking it up
And no need to rag on the dude so hard, he didn't even mention how degenerate Slivers can be since there's about 40 different ways to combo off Sliver Queen in a 99 card deck.

>>55204680
To be fair, I've never seen a sliver deck that didn't just try to slam down mass slivers.

But that strategy is shit and shouldn't win.

>>55204443
The issue is that the colors that you're in have no way of accelerating their mana beyond rituals or rocks and the effects that temp draw those cards are usually fairly expensive and thus, you're going to most often exile cards that you need to cast now or next turn, but can't because your mana is short.

Which cards did you have in mind, specifically, for good examples of this mechanic?

>>55204873

New thread.

>>55204727
you could say the same thing about basically every tribal deck though, its not the sliver players fault WotC designed them that way

>>55199548
Change the shitty fetches and a couple of basics for allied checklands and enemy painlands and you got a manabase that comes in untapped 100% of the time after a couple of turns and like 80% of the time in early turns.

Also, where's Krosan Verge and Command Tower?

>>55204905
>you could say the same thing about basically every tribal deck
>slam down mass wizards
>slam down mass dragons
>slam down mass angels
Unless your definition of "slam down mass X" is like 2 or 3.

>>55204717
I was the dude that made the reply. Sliver queen is only one that can be actually useful and can be played with the actually useful slivers instead of stuffing useless shit like Megantic Sliver in there

>>55201102
7 mana, not 8.

>>55201970
This is the commander thread, sir.