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IXALAN SPOILER FROM PAX PANEL This is Huatli.

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IXALAN SPOILER FROM PAX PANEL

This is Huatli.
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It's shit.
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>r/w
>creates green


Also this
>>55191080
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>>55190992
A midrange planeswalker that will skillfully destroy some limited games.
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I think it's good
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>>55190992
>GW ability
>G ability
>R ability
>not Naya
ONE JOB
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>>55191225
Making her 4 mana Naya would make her really good
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>>55191273
we can't have that, anon. that would be a nice thing.
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>>55191123
>skillfully

No, it won't take much skill or thought to destroy a limited game.
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"Stop making planeswalkers and mythics required in every deck!"
>Wizards stops making them be as good
"Why are the planeswalkers and mythics in this set so shit!?"
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>>55191335
This is a good walker with the wrong cost. It's not exactly the same thing people are complaining about. Making her 1RGW isn't going to warp anything.
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Feel she should cost 4CMC for those abilities.
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>>55190992
I can see her as a one or two of in the Mardu Vehicles deck. Those 3/3 are surely pure value, specially to crew some Heart of Kirans.

Anyways, I too agree that she should be, at least, 2RGW in the mana cost.
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>>55190992
>+2: Winmore
>0: The reason you play her
>-X: Situational
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Reminds me of Oath Chanda mixed with some Garruk, In my opinion she will see fringe play, maybe in vehicles and such

She's alright at best
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>>55191569
It's a 5 mana, make 3 3/3s and crew kiran 3 times.
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>Plane is called Ixalan and everybody knows this
>Newly discovered continent is called Ixalan even by the natives who never had contact with the old worlders
hive mind?
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>>55191642
R&D is just lazy
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>>55191642

They have been there about 2 years.

More than enough to kill anything that's dead.
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>>55190992
Qt indian. Shit card. I'm sad now
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>>55191642
The continent is called Ixalan and the set is named after it. I don't think the plane is actually called Ixalan but for marketing purposes and the ease of writing about Ixalan as a recalled event they will call the entire plane Ixalan to simplify it.
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>>55191763
The plane is called Ixalan, did you watched PAX? well, they said the plane is called Ixalan.
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>>55191778
I didn't but I thought I read something about the Continent being called Ixalan and that there were other continents.

If the plane is called Ixalan that is totally fine but it's stupid I feel to name an entire world after a portion of the world. Same shit happened with Amonkhet and Kaladesh where the entire plane was named after a single city instead of the plane having a name for itself. I feel Innistrad also falls into category but people will fight me for saying that.
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>>55191841
There're other continents, that's why it's weird that this last one, the newest is called Ixalan even by the natives
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>>55191642
Lorecast bitch said it was somewhere jace has been before but another continent. It could be on schandalad, dominaria, innistrad or a plethora of other planes.
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>>55192009
Dude, fucking watch the questions at the end, someone asked if both the plane and continent were called Ixalan and they answered yes, both are called Ixalan
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Shit art, shit card
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Seems like it'd be OK in my old Brion Stoutarm EDH deck, but you know what they say about EDH.
Even in that, though, she does come off as a bit winmore.
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Thoughts?
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>>55190992
I like it

she can trigger enrage in your own dinos
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>>55193600
Oooooh. So Ixalan traps Planeswalkers?
Probably explains why Angrath can't leave.
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>>55191841
Except the plane is called Amonkhet and the city is Naktamun. And the plane is Kaladesh and the city is Ghirapur.
The fact that they not only made Kaladesh revolve around the single city and made it seem like there wasn't anything else TO the plane, and then followed it up with a plane where everything except a single city was destroyed, was exceedingly retarded, yes, but neither plane was named the same as the sole city the sets were focused around.
The only plane named for its city is Ravnica.
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>tfw precon PW not much worse than set PW
Whew.
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>>55192159
at least the face has some form of look other than ugly fucker or generic stronk tumblrqueer stephen universe fanart
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>>55193942
Yeah, Huatli isn't too bad looking.
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>>55193835
Dinosaurs are a case where you may actually want "fights" instead of one way fight effects.
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>>55190992
Doesn't look bad just overcosted for what she does, 4 mana she would be great.
If anything she's atleast better than samut.

>>55193600
>no flash
It's shit.
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>>55192159
Why are you pretending like you wouldn't have made this comment if she was blue, green or any other color.
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>>55191101
That as well, but also this >>55191101
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>>55193835
That's double shit.
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>>55194304
>>no flash
>It's shit.
He's running to fast for you to notice
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>>55194449
N-nani?!
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>>55194039

Very unattractive to me.
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>>55195681
She's not a beauty by any means, but she's definitely better than Samut and at least looks like a normal woman in most depictions.
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>>55195681
no one cares about your opinion
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I'm just glad they're the proper race they're supposed to be instead of black.
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>>55195681
Not a bad face but definitely a bad haircut

Could be worse
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>>55191624
>playing kiran
>in a meta filled with abrade
that's a laugh and a half
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>>55195698
>she's definitely better than Samut
>>55195737

Well that's true, but I have shat out turds that were hotter and looked more human than Samut. I think we could do a lot better than "doesn't make the viewer recoil in horror".
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>>55190992
So if Ixalan prevents planeswalking and Huatli is a native to the plane, how did she Ignite?
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>>55195681
She's a cutie. what are you talking about?
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>>55195737
I will never not hate this card and if I EVER see her in a Command Zone, you best believe I'm gunning for you.
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>>55190992
>make dinosaur tokens to pilot your vehicles.
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>>55195795

Are you talking about the dinosaur? 'Cause the woman just looks like somebody's mom angry that the kids ruined the begonias again.
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>>55195814

Just replace her with a tastefully improved proxy.
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>>55195836
A lot of that is the helmet. It compresses her brow and makes her face look a lot more angular with the cheek bits. Judging by the rest of the image, if she took off the armor she'd probably look really pretty, especially with her hair down.
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>>55190992
Her dinosaur looks like a good boy yes he does.
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>>55195878

Are there any pictures of her without armor?
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>>55190992
I'm really disappointed she doesn't have her own personal legendary pet raptor as a token that she can create.

Would have been interesting to have her ETB alongside a token, have her 0 revive said token and have her -X interact with the token.
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>>55195895
None yet so far. Hope we get at least one.
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>>55195851
God I wish this was the reality I was living in
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>>55195999
>Jace is going to be half naked all block long
>loses more and more clothes along the way judging by his PW Deck art
>meanwhile Huatli will end up in full plate armor with a jousting lance and face plate helmet
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>>55196060
The secret is that Jace has been regulated to the most celebrated role in all of pirate erotica: The Cabin Boy.

Vraska is going to eat him for breakfast.
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>>55196004
You wish Magic had generic anime characters? You should probably play Force of Will.
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>>55190992
this walker is actually much stronger than /tg/ realizes for midrange.

but thats the rub, /tg/ is almost always wrong on the important things, I posted variant on Rally the ANcestors.dek 2 weeks before it fully broke out and people said it was garbage.

it was like 9 cards away from what would become "the list".
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>>55195737

I kind of wonder if somebody at WotC actively tried to make people hate Samut by making her so fucking ugly.
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>>55196165
What the fuck even is that facial expression.

He looks like a guy that forgot his glasses, smoked a blunt and is unsure if he left the oven on when he left Ravnica.
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>>55196217

Generic anime characters are so much better than the utter disgusting garbage we're getting these days.
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>>55196264
Yeah, you should definitely just play Force of Will and pretend you're a little anime girl.
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>>55196264
Generic anime characters are still shit
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>>55196221
She's basically Garruk, Primal Hunter, shifted to a Maya card . Not sure how well that's going to work out in Standard, but for EDH she's only ever going to see play as a token generator in Grisharth because her +2 is fucking terrible.
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>>55196280
do you know.. where you are?
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>>55196286

Generic anime characters are better than approximately 50% of classic Magic art and 98% of current Magic art.
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>>55196264
>Implying
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>>55196305
she's easier to cast and can save your ass from Aggro decks/other midrange decks from clobbering you.

she cannot however, draw you cards.

but her -X is secretly her best ability, because eventually the board stalls in these sort of matches, and your just ticking up a Hautli until you have enough to -X and swing for lethal.
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>>55195737
The sad part is that she actually looks pretty well-designed in Blur of Blades, but the art directors wanted her to constantly look angry. I wouldn't call the character ugly, but a lot of the art is way more off-putting than they wanted.
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>>55196373

The tragedy is that I bet all the actual artists want to draw attractive characters that people enjoy seeing and exciting scenes that look like something is happening, but the art director tells them to make everything shitty and ugly and boring, and viewed from a distance so that you can't even see what the fuck is on the card.
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>>55196248
Hes been hanging out with green merfolk, the forgot his glasses and smoked weed part seems valid.
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>>55196413
They could've done a lot better with expressing emotion with her. I want to like her character, especially after they dodged the "I told you so" bullet after Bolas showed himself and actually earned her spark through a great accomplishment, but fuck me if they didn't botch the presentation hard.

I kinda want to get pic related's art on a proxy of her original card. Anyone know any good proxy techniques?
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>>55196346
How little you know
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Saboteur a cute. CUTE
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WHAT ABOUT VAMPIRE KNIGHTS NIGGA

I NEED MY FAVORITE TRIBES IN ONE DECK WITH NON SHIT CARDS
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>>55196564
But is it a boy or a girl?
And do I care?
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>>55190992
>Legendary
>Planeswalker
What did they mean by this?
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>>55196587
They've got paladins, so you're good to go.

>>55196734
The PW uniqueness rule was redundant.
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>any year
>defending the dumpster fire that is force of will
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>>55196750
That seems neat.
Neat enough to actually make vamps work? Probably not.
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>>55196786
I have no problem with it, it's fine I guess
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>>55196750
>We need to reduce pixels on screen describing card rulings and keywords
>Let's instead spend more money on ink on the cards and confuse old fags
What did they mean by this?
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>>55196734
>>55196845

They're nuking the 'PW Uniqueness' rule, and replacing it by making PWs just legendary, instead of "basically legendary, but with subtypes"

Soon you'll be able to fill the board with 1 of every Jace, instead of one Jace total.

Makes PW rule a bit less confusing to scrubs, makes it less confusing to explain to returning oldfags (who played before PWs), makes Atraxa a bit better, makes Gideon Tribal a bit better.
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>/tg/ thinks Huatli is a bad card
What the fuck is wrong with you guys? This is Elspeth Sun's Champion, but cheap enough to play in midrange. Slam her on turn five, use her 0 ability, then repeat step two until you win.
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>>55196616
Looks to be a guy in the back and a probable girl in the front
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>>55196884
Because it's not as good as Sun's Champion?
>doesn't make scores of tokens to buff with mono-white token anthems, making just one
>can't defend itself against two attacking creatures
>can't wipe the field of everything big
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>>55196876
I am still glad I left right before they cycled out M blocks. Thanks for the confirmation the game is still shit on rules and such.
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>>55190992

Heard you niggers hate the Scarab God?
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>>55196884
>Elspeth Sun's Champion
You cannot be fucking serious.
Elspeth ticks up to 5 make three (3) creatures.
Huatli stays at 3 to make one (1) creatures.
Elspeth can take out every 4 power creature or greater the turn she comes down.
Huatli kills herself to do split a bolt.
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>>55196884
Elspeth builds towards making your creatures big and evasive. What you're suggesting does nothing but spin your wheels, and I don't know what to tell you if you think a 3/3 on turn 5 is amazing. She is nowhere close to Elspeth in terms of power.
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>>55196884
Are you trolling me or something?
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>>55196931
Not like there wasn't already a ton of GY hate in Hour.
More of they're just starting to print solutions again. They also got a 2-mana Pithing Needle, too.
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>>55196931
>play mardu gearhulk reanimator, really like it
>foiled out most of the shit in it because I see myself playing this for a long time, possibly all the way to KLD rotation
>see this
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>>55196884
Yeah just like Sun's Champion...except with only one good ability instead of 3! Huatli would probably be better as a 5 mana enchantment that made the 3/3 every upkeep just so it was harder for opponents to remove. I predict it sees almost no play in any competitive deck.
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>>55190992

The story/trailer for XLN is

LOOKING FOR EL DORADO N' SHIEEET

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZOcCTSL7dmw
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>>55196913
>>55196949
You're right, she's not a perfect carbon copy of Elspeth. That isn't what I was trying to say. If you /really/ want to pinch pennies, think of her as a hybrid Elspeth-Xenargos instead of a straight Elspeth

>>55196950
Huatli does the same thing. Make a bunch of creatures, maybe gain some life to bump her loyalty, then use her as an Aurelia's Fury to target key blockers and swing with the team.

>>55196982
You say that as if a 5 mana enchantment that makes 3/3s is bad, especially in fucking standard.
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>>55196931
>Let's just hose all graveyard decks for the next two years
This is yugioh style balancing. Just make a floodgate instead of having to deal with a deck strategy.
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>>55197086
No, this is how they used to do it, making answers like Rest in Peace, Relic of Progenitus, and Stony Silence. These are ways to deal with deck strategies, and help produce healthy formats.
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>>55197085
I mean, I'm almost, ALMOST willing to think a mana enchantment that makes 3/3 tramplers every turn MIGHT be a decent enough card. MAYBE. But that's a BIG if. In fairness Gideon Ally's thing is that it turns out just coming down on 4 and dropping 2/2s every turn is a real thing with the right cards so maybe that's how this works. But comparing her to Elspeth Sun is barely in the ballpark with the only tangential relations being they're both expensive and make tokens.
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>>55196165
Jace has ear piercings? And super gay ones?
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>>55197137
I noticed this too. It makes him look so god damn gay.
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>>55197086

Printing a hoser for the strategy is exactly how we "deal with" a strategy in Magic. Every single thing you can do in this game has a hard counter. That's how it's designed.
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>>55197132
Oh, however, BIG difference besides mana is loyalty and how Gideon (and Elspeth) do their token making as a plus. Starting at 3 and then having your main ability not increase your loyalty for 5 mana is not a great place to be in.
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>>55197036
I'm glad Vraska doesn't have a slutty whore voice.
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>>55196750
>The PW uniqueness rule was redundant.

There was nothing redundant about it, it worked completely differently from the Legend rule and a was a much stronger limitation.
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>>55197193

Her voice sounds way too normal for a snake haired monster. It should have a filter on it.
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>>55197151
>>55197128
Except cards like crook and scavenger grounds already existed that dealt with graveyard hate fine.
If this is the proper way to do it why is Solemnity not just a 1-cost colorless artifact as well?
Why even have it cost mana at all? We want it to deal with graveyard based decks so it should be as accessible and easy to use as possible.
Or just tack on some other condition that all cards are exiled instead of going to the grave, if we want to hard counter it well it should be the most efficient and usable card possible right?
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>>55197137
Pirates in real life used earrings as a crude form of acupuncture to increase their sight, but only on the ear lobes. Jace maybe ripped but Liliana's old lady cooch cannot prevent the ral zarek X Jace ending.
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>>55197200
>completely different

It was a board limitation that said you could only have one of something at a given time on your side of the field. That PW uniqueness meant one of a given type of walker and not one of the named card did not make it "completely different".
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>>55197173
You'd be right if we were talking about Modern. Huatli would be complete and utter trash in a format with Bolts. Luckily, nobody's gonna Open Fire your Huatli. The only way Huatli's losing loyalty is combat damage, and her tokens are more than beefy enough to protect her from combat damage
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>>55197218
This is a lot of butthurt over nothing. I suggest you play a game of modern in your life to see why these kinds of cards are needed and how they produce good formats.
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>>55197200
>it worked completely differently
It was the exact same idea (you can't have more than one of x because its a unique character), just a different implementation, and the limitation doesn't come up like 90% of the time just as it doesn't most of the time for legendaries. This is just consolidating and getting rid of pointless rules. Did you cry about losing mana burn?
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>>55196931
>budget Relic of Progenitus
I guess?
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>>55197229
Hey relax buddy I'm just seeing where your imaginary line in the sand is. You don't understand concepts like power creep or other formats from modern so I guess you don't have one.
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>>55197226
They really, really aren't. The reason it worked for elspeth was because A) she actually could just board wiped the turn she came down, and B) her tokens spread so wide that after that board wipe most decks couldn't come back from it. Making one 3/3 a turn without gaining some loyalty can't race an actual creature based aggro deck if they want or need to kill Huatli
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>>55197245
U can blink it for scry triggers I guess? Thank god it's an uncommon.
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>>55197230
>and the limitation doesn't come up like 90% of the time

It sure as fuck comes up every time people are building their decks.
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>>55197249
Your idea of "power creep" is seriously having hosers and making it so that decks have strengths and weaknesses. You deserve shitty formats like the last couple years of Standard.
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>>55197249
>power creep

Just so we're clear, this is the first graveyard hate card printed, and it completely shits on that card there.
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>>55197229
>implying most Modern hate cards aren't busted to fuck and beyond
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>>55197258
It was VERY rare that it did. Often times, especially in standard, there is NOT more than one planeswalker with the same name that's worth playing. I didn't play then but the only time I've ever heard this was an issue was during Mind Sculptor's stint in standard where it was either Beleren or Memory Adept that people sometimes wanted to play too. In modern there's pretty much just MAYBE Chain Veil and Last Hope?
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>>55197279
And yet we can have fun and healthy formats like the current one, where tons of decks see play, partially because the format is rife with hosers that add complexity to the meta.
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>>55197254
You're forgetting a key point, and that's what kind of deck that she's gonna be in. Her home is Mardu Vehicles, and other decks with cheap removal and efficient creatures: any time you play her, you're gonna have enough creatures that you don't need to worry about being swarmed.
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>>55197222
>it was the same except for the part where it's not the same at all

There's an enormous difference between "you can have one of every kind of Jace" and "you can have one Jace". One of those is on a whole different level of restrictiveness than the other.

By your logic, Legendary Enchantments made the World Enchantments redundant too.
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>>55197318
Mardu Vehicles is ALREADY top heavy, though I guess they're losing a lot on rotation. I don't think a/nother 5 drop has any place in that deck.
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>>55195832
Fuck me that's clever
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>>55197320
MaRo Personally requested the change because he couldn't stand not being able to play a deck where he was surrounded by jace at all times
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>>55197281
>Often times, especially in standard

Stop playing standard and play real formats you dumb fucking child.
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>>55190992
Infinite beasts are nice, though Ajani and Nahiri can at least pull off two relevant abilities without a creature in play. The +2 could be cool with abilities like Battalion or equipment.

>>55193835
And wow, dinosaurs, dinosaurs, and dinosaurs. I know this is in a crap precon deck but jeez. Nissa Fucking Bolt-Range Revane did more for you than this.

>>55196060
Not like Jace was very Alpha to begin with, and wearing armor on the sea would be dumber.

And GR girls in leather and fur makes sense, as do WR girls in armor.

>>55196165
Welp, now I want porn of it. Thanks asshole.
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>>55197332
Read. The fucking. Post.
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>>55196564
Is that a Persona reference
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>>55197291
Do not even BEGIN to postulate that Modern is a healthy format. The entirety of Tier 1.5-2.5 Modern is a disgusting shitshow of goodstuff CoCo and walker jam decks, followed by everything below them dying extremely hard in the sideboard thanks to the very hate cards you boast about. Tron sits at the very top of the format with an answer to almost every other deck conveniently lying around in Karn and Ugin, with Thought-Knot and Reality Smasher removing any real risks, while BGx and BRx Shadow decks freely abuse life loss in the wake of, ironically, a lack of strong universal nonbasic hate, before dropping 1 mana creatures that can single-handedly put the opponent on a 2-turn clock. If anything, Modern is a great example of what happens when hate is TOO strong, and the decks that dodge it becoming almost impossible to properly edge out of meta-defining status.
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>>55197281
At the time of Mind Sculptor, both the legend rule and the uniqueness rule worked differently, with both checking both sides of the field and all copies dying.
People were playing both Jaces so that they could play the cheaper Jace to kill the Mind Sculptor and/or keep the Mind Sculptor from hitting the field (because why would you waste your 4 mana Jace to kill their 3 mana Jace?)
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>>55197085
>make a bunch of creatures
She makes one while never increasing her loyalty. How is that even remotely comparable to three while ticking the walker up to ult?
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>>55191335
Exactly
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>>55197366
Clearly regularly having 8 different decks in top 8s means a format isn't healthy. What was I thinking?
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>>55195851
No amount of custom artworks will fix the supernova of shit in the text box.
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>>55196217
Have you seen these characters designs? A lot of the planeswalkers are already at peek anime. Chandra wears high boots, a split skirt thing, mesh/chain mail, and random bits of armor. She's a Naruto design made for cosplay. Meanwhile Jace is always in like eight layers of hoodie, Nissa's dress-thing usually makes sense only to people who think JRPGs exist in a world with functional clothing and armor, and Sorin is trying to out-emo Jace with black on black and a silver hairdo (plus armor bits).

>>55196264
Not really. It's kind of on par. Main difference is anime is allowed to print naked children on their cards, and the Japanese think the only races are JAPANESE, chocolate waifu, and blonde.

>>55196524
Hey I use those!
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>>55197352
I'll probably end up making porn of it sometime during this whole pseudo-block. Vraska is the best, and magic needs more smut as it is.
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>>55197413
Oh, so it wasn't even that both jaces were playable and competed for space, it's just they took advantage of the old legend/uniqueness rule.
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>>55197438
>3 CoCo decks Top 8'ing at GP Birmingham
>Tron, Valakut and Shadow have made Top 8 at every SCG Open for the past six months

What the fuck are you on about?
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>>55197366
>Titan Shift
>Affinity
>UR Storm
>Burn
>UW Control
>Jeskai Tempo
>goodstuff CoCo and walker jam
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>>55196750
>The PW uniqueness rule was redundant.
Wrong. Planeswalkers are suppose to be other characters you summon in for help, as in the spell is calling the character not crafting them with magic. It not only kept the fluff more stable, it kept Gideon tribal from really existing and Superfriends decks in some level of containment.
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>>55197500
"Gideon tribal" isn't a fucking thing. It's a fucking joke, a meme. And superfriends decks in any god damn format aren't real decks. And the planeswalker uniqueness rule was not keeping either of them in check.
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>>55197500
And I assume you whined about both players being able to have a Liliana in play at the same time? No? Then why are you bitching about this now?
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>>55197496
I like how you conventiently forget that there were 2 CoCo decks, one was Counters Coco, and one was fucking Human Tribal.
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>>55197193
I'm admitting that I'm a little sad, but good on 'em for having restraint.

>>55197215
It would have been cool to get some sort of filter as she got more into her speech, and it became clear Vraska was the one speaking.
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>>55197484
I would love you if you did. Full homo.
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>>55190992
FUCKING GODDAMN SUMBITCHES
I JUST WANTED A PLAYABLE DINO RIDER WAIFU
FUCKING FUCK SHE WAS THE CHOSEN ONE GODDAMMIT
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>>55196346
Art on this card is acceptable, not great, except that horrendous hair. I feel like he is wearing a squall cosplay wig or something.
Shit even generic anime wouldn't be too bad if they had some worth while guest artist's.
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>>55197600
Getting you dinos for no loyalty is still good, especially if the dino lord that gives other dinos haste is real.
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>>55197520
I actually didn't like that change for legends and walkers at first, but realized the game was more fun without your opponent being able to nuke your shit like that.

Mechanics trump fluff.
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>>55197613
>>55196346
He looks like fucking Billie Joe from Green Day.
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>>55196346
I know people dump on this for anime hair but I always interpreted this as the wind blowing his hair since you can see his cape moving upward too.
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>>55197617
>especially if the dino lord that gives other dinos haste is real.
PLEASE LET IT BE SO
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>>55197513
>And superfriends decks in any god damn format aren't real decks.


Show us on the doll where the walkers touched you.
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>>55193600
Id still rather have runed halo
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>>55195737
>white mana

Eternally mad for Wizards barring this out of my R/G Wort Deck
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>>55196248
Well Jace is a pirate now, he's probably hit a few blunts, lost all his shit and is now watching pirates fighting vampires and dinosaur tribals, Id be squinting fucking hard too.
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>>55190992
>R/W
>creates a literal green creature with green keywords
>plus is shitty healing salve
>minus is almost the same as fucking Samuts from the last set

STOP ITTTTT
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>>55197676
Anime looks the way it does so it can be made fucking quick and pointy geometric hair is so far into anime territory it makes sense why alarm bells went off.
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>>55190992
>be in crazy pirate dinosaur world
>planeswalker is the most boring token factory imaginable

epic
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>>55196931
>worse version of a very effective and crucial toolbox card.

Its never going to see play outside of budget and standard. If you could tap to scry 1, maybe.
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>>55197513
Sounds like someone got emblem'd hard
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>>55198217
Jace took the weird and wacky planeswalker design of the set. Truth be told, what the heck did you expect her to do?
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Despite knowing just how much Kool-Aid wizards has chugged recently, I can't bring myself to dislike this set. Honestly, Ixilan seems like a sweet world with at least some interesting design to it.
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>>55198293
I'm just waiting for the rest of the transform artifacts to be spoilered.

I'm quite hopeful though...

That there will be more.
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>>55198301
I'm very sad they haven't shown any besides the one to show it was in the set. I'm really interested to see the flavor. I like the idea of stuff flipping to tribal lands representing bases.
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>>55191335
What's your point? That different people want different things?
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>>55196931
That seems like an absurdly powerful card for Uncommon right after the last block and it's graveyard mechanics.
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>>55198263
The issue for me is she does nothing that fits into an effective combo that cant be done cheaper and faster elsewhere, as far as I can see shes just an expensive combination of toolbox cards that are all out of the colour conventions

>5 mana and you're producing a single 3/3 green token without haste or getting a bit of life based on creatures, both of which are green aligned abilities
>3 Loyalty counters, dies immediately to bolt or any unblocked creature around the time it comes out
>Gaining life in a single instance is not very useful and requires you to have something big out first (again, why on a R/W card no less)
>X ability lets you restrict blockers which is nice or snipe some weenies, but for one loyalty counter a piece, there's plenty of cards that tap out your opponents, share damage around or restrict blocking so really what was the point of this again?

For 5 mana I want to be immediately doing something spicy to my opponent or making them respond immediately to what Im doing.
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>>55193835
6 mana and -7 loyalty counters just to get extra upset at fog effects
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>>55195832
You'd have to be retarded to use a token producer that expensive just to activate your vehicles when theres literally a single card, activate all your vehicles
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>>55198409
The color of the token doesn't really matter, and red gets trample so it's not really giving the color something it can't get, and gaining life based on anything can be white. They try to make planeswalkers with fewer colors so they're playable in more decks generally speaking (though that doesn't speak to how many decks actually want to play them). They probably intentionally made the first and I guess arguably the second ability feel a little green because she IS the sun empire champion or whatever but didn't want to make her more colors than necessary.

Not speaking on how good she is since I feel that's a different issue.
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>>55190992
Planeswalkers always seemed like those cards that were never designed with JUST limited in mind. Like they always tried to give them abilities to build constructed decks around. Get people playing with their flagship characters for longer.

Then there's this chick.
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>>55198180
Trample is also a red keyword, and the color of the token isn't exactly very relevant. Just last block a bunch of colors were making white (and then black) zombie tokens, for example
It's likely there's a few other cards that make dinosaur tokens (that ARE green) and they didn't want to make another token card just for her.
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>>55198485
She seems pretty obviously built for constructed imo. They don't makep laneswalkers for limited like... at all. Despite what a lot of people might say I don't think they make many rares for limited either (though rarities might shift for the sake of limited), a lot of rares are just shit. The abilities are clearly meant to help a constructed dinosaur deck (plus that makes her decently loyal and helps you live to later game, makes dinosaurs to care about tribal, and the -X to use as a finisher to get your dinosaurs through, a way to trigger enrage, or removal). How good that deck is is another thing though.
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>>55198470
Nah gaining life based on creature strength is 100% a green mechanic, making a green token with trample is G/R and dividing damage is red. I think the point is, the card should be G/R, the white makes no sense and all the abilities are G/R aligned.

I would have expected to see her as a 2GR: 3 with something a bit more interesting like maybe:
0: create a G/R 3/3 with trample
+1: Huatli deals 2 damage to target creature, that creature can't block this turn
-5: Search your library for X number of dinosaur cards, where X is the number of dinosaurs you control, shuffle your library and put those cards on top.
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>>55198652
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>>55198509
>already green dino tokens

This is almost certainly the reason for the weird colour, it does beg the question why she isnt green though herself.
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>>55198668
Im retarded for not being more specific, doing things based on creature power is a R/G keyword, by a huge majority , gaining life based on power is shared between G and W for obvious reasons.

The fact remains, theres no reason this shouldn't be G/R, and several reasons why it shouldn't be R/W
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>>55190992
I hope she joins the Gatewatch. It's kinda lame that all the cool planeswalkers just hang around on their home planes doing jack shit while the Gatewatch actually skip around doing things. I don't hate them as characters like some but because they're supposed to be color archetypes the main 5 are all just kinda generic.
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>>55198668
White makes tokens that stick around
Green is their shared ally color and it makes sense with the plane
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>>55198702
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She's probably R/W so you can throw her into some Vampire deck, as apparently the vampires have a huge for lifegain
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>>55198652
>Nah gaining life based on creature strength is 100% a green mechanic
there are only two mono green cards that have ever had this function as far as i know

it is much more common for a green card to gain you life based on a creature's TOUGHNESS.
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>>55198720
>a use for lifegain
it's early in the morning
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>>55198652
I feel like the colour mechanics are fine, the card makes tokens, gains you life and does damage which is W/R acceptable, its also shared with G, it could be either.

I do like your version a lot better but probably because it would be horribly broken later on or stop dinos from getting any good cheap cards with interacting effects
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>>55198652
They most likely wanted to put all of the card's power into the 0 and -X ability.
I wouldn't be surprised to learn that they tried different +2s, only to end up with this one because it was the most balanced despite not making that much sense.

At 4 mana the card would be good enough to put in any deck that can run her, and that's something they want to avoid after they saw what Gideon, Ally of Zendikar did to white decks.
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>>55198698
At least Vraska is also here, doing stuff that doesn't seem to directly relate to the Golgari Swarm.
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>>55196217
>Egyptian god
>Generic anime character

Is it edgy too?
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>>55198729
I find theres small passive lifegain abilities in modern than can be good as a bonus for compensating fetching and shocks, it almost warrants running Rain of Gore mainboard
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>>55198733
All we need is a low-cost dino ajani's pridemate or Sunbond, which is a flavor win
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>>55198834
I doubt we'll get a low-cost dino that cares about lifegain, but we might get a vampire that does.
I'm hoping for something more spicy than an Ajani's Pridemate

WW
Vampire
1/1
"Whenever you gain life, put that many +1/+1 counters on ~.
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>>55198875
Thats the Sunbond anon was talking about
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>>55198931
Sunbond would be unplayable even at FNM level
Sunbond's ability on a 2 drop, or even 3 drop could be used in a decent deck
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>>55190992
guys you are hating way too much, i don't kn0ow how good she really will be, but her +2 can be nice, not great, but can definitely save games, not always, it will be useless in some games, but in others you will have some "huatli off the top or bust" situations. Her 0 is nice, not strong, bt that's a solid effect to use every turn until you have something better to do. her x ability is pretty good, usually on the third slot you have a useless ulti which you will never get to use, except for winmore situations, her x can be used to gutshot in a pretty good way, it isn't too good, but has uses and if you consider it should have a useless ulti instead of that ability it's a great thing. She has a mediocre 0 and two very good very situational abilities(forgot top mention enrage, but you know that already), i am not saying she will be an autoinclude or even good, but i would be surpised if she sees no play at all.
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They've already said they're tuning planewalkers down but this might be a bit much. The emblem on her is kinda lackluster.
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>>55199267
What emblem? Did you even read the card?
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>>55193835
>tfw you can have both huatli's out at the same time supporting eachother.
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>>55198263
Personally I'm waiting for them to print a U/R or W/R card that isn't just stapling U and R; and W and R effects together on a single card.

Those guilds are simply the most trash color combination in this entire game. If you do a Gatherer search of those pairs you'll find the least exploratory cards respective to the complexity demanded by multicolor cards.
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>>55198263
Considering her ability to wrangle dinosaurs and power them up, one of her abilities could have easily been an act of treason with a temporary buff.
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>>55197617
Didn't see any leak or spoiler with such a dino lord. Whrre is that rumor from?
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>>55196165
this is reall ??
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>>55190992
Fuck. This card isn't THAT bad, but warrior poets are my schtick, so I can't even hate on it. I'll probably buy one because poet warrior dino bitch is just such a cool concept.

You know how to make this card 10x better? Make the first ability: +2 creatures you control gain double strike and vigilance. Or something something each creature gets +1/+1 for each other creature you control and trample.
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>>55200838
>he will need more then his abs to find his way home
does it look real?
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i was looking for a decent token spawner enchantment to compare to this card, the only one i can find is bitterblossom. Every other one is either crazy garbage or situational or tribal dependant. Any example?
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>>55200999
Awakening Zone
Assemble the Legion
From Beyond
Sandwurm Convergence
Honden of Life's Web
There is also Squirrel's Nest, but that's pushing it

Those are all the unconditional ones I can think of. There are plenty of decent to good conditional options too
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>>55200999
What colors are you going for? What format?

As >>55201101 listed a few, here's a couple more:
>Rite of the Raging Storm
Makes tokens that won't hit you, better in multiplayer but still decent in 1v1

As far as conditional ones go...
>Thopter Spy Network
Having an artifact isn't hard to do, and it provides card advantage to boot.

If you're into auras that do it:
>Followed Footsteps
Copies enchant creature each turn

>Growing Ranks
Can copy the biggest token you already have, which is either not the greatest (with elf tokens) or really win-more (Eldrazi tokens, 8/8 Vigilance tokens, etc)
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>>55201101
what definition of decent are you employing? becuase i don't see many of those as decent. Thank you anyway.
also what conditional ones were you thinking of?
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>>55201262
no colours, i was just looking for a comparison, i am not building. I guess stuff that is or was decent in standard.
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>>55197193
I could have swore I heard this voice in Lion King?
Whoppi?
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>>55194039
>implying
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>>55197036
jesus, Wizards should just fire their entire writing team and hire the guy who does these trailers. I actually got excited about something for once.
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>>55198671
Because she's not a green character, and they try to keep planeswalkers to a minimum of two colors if possible.
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This is a pretty good setting so far. It's safely in MTGs wheelhouse of kitbashing fantasy tropes into historical settings, but all the better for it in my opinion.

Pirates are cool, Dinosaurs are cool, Roman Vampires are cool, and the Age of Discovery is fairly fresh as a fantasy setting.

It's not one monoculture vs. one outright bad guy, it's not all about the Gatewatch, and it's got it's own backstory that isn't contingent on the main plot.

I mean, it's not the next Middle Earth, but for a fucking card game storyline it's neat.

Like any other Internet community, 4chan has difficulty knowing when to stop complaining. You've got what you wanted here. The Gatewatch is gone and there's no overt political messaging besides having female characters at all.

It's time to stop crying.
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>>55198733
I wouldn't doubt that she was 4 mana until the last moment and got changed specifically because of people's response to Gideon.
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>>55193600
Looks like EDH staple to me. If the fucker returns to the Commander zone this still works right? It it does I want to grab a copy of this.
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>>55195832
I DID NOT KNOW HOW MUCH I NEEDED THIS UNTIL THIS MOMENT
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>>55195780
she ignited but could not leave. Kind of like Narset immediatly bounced back to Tarkir after igniting
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>>55197366

>lack of strong universal nonbasic hate
>blood moon
>fulminator mage
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>>55201905
Agreed, this is looking like a really fun fantasy world.

I wonder how the other non-tribal stuff will be implemented?
I'm so hoping we get a demon designed after Aztec/Maya mythology. pic very related
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>>55201905
SJWs managed to shape the story through complaining online, complaining ourselves is our only way to fight back.
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>>55203017
Because SJW complain on tumblr/twitter not on an anonymous mongolian tapestry workshop.
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>>55203017
>50% of the characters depicted are female
what an outrage we need to stand up against this insane propaganda
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>>55203231
95%+ of the players are male.
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>>55203258
i don't see why that should matter. as a man you should be able to relate with female characters on a human level without feeling insecure.

wotc shouldn't have to accommodate your failed masculinity. 100% of the people who play magic are humans and yet here we are with vampires and merfolk.
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>>55203334
WotC's target audience is kids and young teenagers, and having relevant characters of the same sex is very important to them.
When you do a set where all 4 leaders are female, you're left with the vast majority of your target audience uninterested in the story.
Jokes about pirates and dinosaurs will only get them so far when it comes to attracting new players.
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>>55203403
you're projecting yourself onto these kids. just because you can't relate to women doesn't mean kids can't. i used to teach middle school kids a few years back and steven universe was super popular. that show has feminism and gender fluidity at it's core. the younger generations aren't that hung up on issues of gender roles.

you're the one who is really struggling my guy. if you think this is bad it's only going to get worse for you as these kids get older. you should learn to handle women in prominent roles if you want to enjoy the rest of your life.
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>>55203485
>Anecdotal evidence
>Personal attack
Not worth arguing about.

WotC can't actively target a younger demographic, please SJWs and cater to their existing players.
At least one of these three goals has to go, and it seems obvious which it should be.
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>>55203485
>found the hillary voter
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>>55201991
No, if the fucker returns to the Command Zone it's no longer Exiled, so the binding does nothing.
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>>55203017
>SJWs managed to shape the story through complaining online

We call them social justice warriors as a joke. They aren't making a difference, they're just poseurs who want everyone to see how virtuous they are. Get a fucking grip.

>complaining ourselves is our only way to fight back.

If you had any doubt that all the shitposting about gender politics in MTG was the work of one samefag, this post should settle it. There really is one shitposter that believes he's going to change the world by derailing every MTG thread. This naive bullshit is exactly why SJWs were a problem.
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>>55203403
>unironicaly using the "won't somebody please think of the children?" argument
Why, just why?
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>>55203258
Fuck you I like female characters and cards as long as they're not hogging literally all the spotlight or are all ugly.
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>>55195832

Mardu Vehicles could slaught in Huatli. She only costs one more. Her tokens are bigger. Her tokens can pilot the Vehicles.

Call the deck Cadillacs and Dinosaurs.
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>>55202607

REPRINT

WASTELAND

Or don't, I don't actually care, I started playing Legacy after Eternal Masters hit. Fewer people play but holy fuck is the quality of those people better.
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So, is there a single good card in this set that's been shown so far?
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>>55204267

Good for which format?
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>>55204267
I like Topor Waifu.
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>>55204267
The 1 drop merfolk that gets +1/+1 if you control another merfolk or an island I'm pretty sure is a real card
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>>55204267
the merfolk that makes creatures with +1/+1 counters not being able to be blocked
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>>55204366
Oh yeah that is sick.
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>>55204208
They reprinted wasteland in ema anon
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>>55204445
It's mostly just because modern merfolk doesn't have very many 1 drops and this slots right in.
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>>55204267
No card has a powerlevel high enough that it is assured to see play, but we have a lot of good cards that could see play depending on how the format evolves
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When the fuck will the panel get uploaded?
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>>55204267
Treasure map/cove is good.
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>>55204439
If sultai +1/+1 counters can be a thing then this card will steal many wins, but on its own it's not that good of a card

>>55205025
It's unplayable just like Pyramid of the Pantheon is.
You can't spend 3 turns and 5 mana on something that doesn't impact the board or win you the game.
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>>55190992
decent in commander and thats the only format really care about.
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>>55203576
This is what denial looks like. I don't care if you believe it, but what you're doing now is basically how you end up being that grandfather no one talks to because he keeps dropping the n word. Just a heads up
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>>55205143
It's much better as it's not a net negative while it builds. It will see play.
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>>55205338
The only way you can realistically use spend your mana on it, and not fall too behind on board/life total is to run a control shell with board wipes similar to Approach decks
The difference is the payoff to Approach of the Second Sun is winning the game, this just gives you mana or a card draw per turn
And even if this somehow ended up being a key card of a deck people would just abrade it after you used 4 mana over 2 turns to scry two cards
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>>55195851

>Flash, Double Strike, Vigilance, Haste

did she really need all that shit
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>>55201991
I don't even have to see your deck to know that you're the tryhard cancer that ruins EDH.
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>>55197484

magic really does need more smut
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>>55205505
Yes, she's a speedster.
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This card will cleanse the meta and save standard.
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>>55203485

You sound like a naive idiot to be honest.
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>>55205754

That card will be just as irrelevant as every other piece of timmybait they've printed over the past 25 years.

The closest we've gotten to a big expensive dumb green creature being playable in Standard was V.Gearhulk, and the only reason that was good was because it could split its counters to other creatures. If it was just a 5 mana 8/8 trample it would not have been nearly good enough to run.
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>>55205810
I agree with you, it's a sideboard card at best if people still run UR control. Both UB and UW control can easily remove it.
I have no clue why this card is preordering at $10+. Even the legendary dinosaur has a better shot at making an impact.
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>>55203485
sheesh...
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>>55205952
>I have no clue why this card is preordering at $10+

Timmies love it.
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Requesting Timmy/Johnny version of "virgin walk"/"chad stride"
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>>55206118
There has to be another reason
The other timmy mythics are all preordering bellow $3, this is the 2nd most expensive card of the set so far
Did some popular website praise the card or something?
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>>55198652
>>55198695

White and green have a lot of overlap. The lifegain is White. The trample and pinging is red. The character was RW and they gave her RW abilities, The fact those abilities nustle against green is just how the color pie works
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Where my low curve dinos at? low curve all together feels bad for my shitty dino tribal deck.
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>>55206178
>>The Virigin Johnny
>muh combos
>pouts whenever a card isn't legacy playable
>waits a week before playing so he can look up the best draft picks online

>>The Chad Timmy
>picks the biggest monsters he can
>doesn't care what other people have to say
>spends more time playing and having fun instead of theorycrafting
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>>55204504
Pretty sure it was in a sense of "reprint Wasteland so it's Modern-playable"
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>>55205519
>applying chemo means you're the cancer
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>>55206242
We've only seen the Pteradactyl thus far, as well as a Vigilance bear in White, but the latter might only be in the planeswalker decks.

I personally hope we get more so that it's possible to run more cheap Aggro dinos, although odds are it may just be that all the human warriors from the Sun Empire fill out those lower curves. A Dino tribal deck is probably going to involve playing a bunch of those cards to support your eventual dinos and ramping up until you can start dropping the really big ones.

I'm hopeful that there will be enough to work with though.
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>>55206260
Two of those three points are the Virgin Spike, though.
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>>55206242
There shouldn't be more than half a dozen dinos at cmc<4
A dinosaur deck should be about either ramping into them, or using early game support to off put their high cmc

If you disagree look at the travesty that was the eldrazis from BFZ block, the tribe completely lost its identity because of them
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>>55206391
Why though? Dinosaurs as a tribe haven't existed before now, and they can be anything the designers want for them. Small dinos certainly exist, so it's not like it's out of the question, or like it would somehow cause them to lose an identity they never had
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>>55206704
The bigger the dinosaur species, the more popular it is for example the T-rex is the most known and beloved one
It wouldn't make sense to print small dinosaurs because if they're good then they eclipse the bigger ones, if they're bad then they tarnish the tribe as a whole

Regardless, I just hope we get good enough support to justify playing 6+ mana creatures, and just ramping into them feels old and tired after 2 years of ramping into Ulamog
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>>55197276
I wasn't sure if I was stupid or if the ixalan card was just clearly worse than Tormod's (at least much worse the majority of the time). Thank you for clearing this up.
>>55205754
Why is this a $10 mythic? Sure it's objectively better than pic related, but it's still not very good, right?
Also, we're mythic cards not supposed to be for more complex rules and chase cards? How is this card complex or a chase card?
Forgive my ignorance, I'm still trying to figure out how to evaluate cards.
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>>55206917
>Reveal it, put it into your hand
Not
>reveal it, put it onto the battlefield
Why does wizards not like fun?
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>>55207306
Dont both w and b lose their best "opponent sacks a creature" cards? I guess they do have the best board clears for it
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>>55205754
>Zero interaction including zero interaction in combat - the card
Design like this is the reason why Wizards is a flaming piece of shit. At least with keyword-heavy shit like Baneslayer you could shoot or counter it.

Look at this fucker. Some faggy retard will defend this design by saying, "My Deathtouch zombies will have no problem with this when I give them First Strike in my R/B Zombie Tribal deck".
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>>55206917
>It wouldn't make sense to print small dinosaurs because if they're good then they eclipse the bigger ones
The best dinosaur in standard history, Deathmist Raptor, was 3cmc.
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Would a burn deck work in ixalan standard, with the new cascade enchantment? Cards like Open fire moght make sense, because you dig deeper for another one. Also what burn spells will be left in standard? I know Shock, open fire, the 6 dmg hou spell..
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>>55207443
This still dies to creature combat.
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>>55207306
They made a card extremely similar to a trash uncommon, pushed it hard and then printed it at mythic. What kind of message does that send to player?
Next we'll get a 3 mana Grim Strider with menace at mythic.

>>55207443
Thrun, the Last Troll is even harder to remove and I don't recall him causing trouble
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>>55196165
>gorgon taking advantage of amnesiac twink
good shit
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>>55207650
Trample does help it a lot in addition to how tricky it is to get rid of, but I don't see it causing massive waves. Anyone who needs a big green beater will use it just for how efficient it is, but it's certainly not something that needed to be mythic.
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>>55196931
fuck you
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/br-gib-artifact-pls/
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>>55207597
>>55207650
The point isn't whether it's actually good in Constructed or not.

The point is that any time this piece of shit sees play on the chance it's good enough for Constructed or in Limited or in a new player's deck against another new player it becomes a reprehensible non-interactive card that's just going to create bad feelings for the opponent 100% of the time because everyone will come to the dark realization faster than any other card that there's no hope. And if that's going to be the case, then you shouldn't print the fucking card in the first place.

Thrun is also an idiotic design. For what it matters so is Progenitus. It's design space only a fucking child would come up with and an even bigger child would approve, "What if we made the least interactive thing possible within the bounds of fairness".

Cards like this obviously aren't a problem in a place where the "grown ups" play Magic, namely Cube, Modern, or the Eternal formats. And grown-ups in Limited and Standard won't really bat an eye because there has been significantly worse in the past. But for the most part Magic players aren't grown-ups; most of them are new and not mature in the game and shit like this if it gets good is going to make everyone salty about its design like I am now, or if it's bad it's still going to piss off some new player's day because they'll be questioning why this rocket launcher with rapid fire and huge clip size is allowed.
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>>55197484
>magic needs more smut
yeah, do it and then stealthily post it
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>>55207824
Creatures are the most interactive part of the game. Calling a card mostly only creatures can deal with "the lease interactibe" makes little sense.
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>>55208237
>Creatures are the most interactive part of the game.

No, they are the most efficient way of dealing damage. The Creature type of card are not anymore interactive or less interactive than any other permanent or spell in the game. The fact that you need it spelled out to you that having a creature that can't be interacted with by spells and abilities is less interactive than a creature that can be interacted with by spells and abilities proves you're a drooling, mouth-breathing moron.
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>>55207824
The design space of cards that can't be interacted with should be explored, but it shouldn't be explored in a way that makes it wrong for played not to play with it.
If every green player has to jam 2 of these in their sideboard then this card is definitely a failed design, otherwise they did good enough, but that's just a part of it.

Progenitus is actually a well designed card. It's insanely hard to cast and has no impact the turn you play it.
Sure, if you let your opponent get to 10 colored mana then you've got a 10/10 hexproof can't be blocked can't be damaged creature on your hands, but even then you would have a good chance of surviving it and you don't feel that bad.
Ulamog, the Ceaseless Hunger on the other hand is a failed design. Much easier to cast and has a direct impact even if your opponent counters it.
When Ulamog is cast you are instantly put in an imminent defeat situation and there is nothing you can realistically do about it, unless you already went out of your way to make space in your deck to deal with this one card.
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>>55208237
>only one way to interact with a card
>not less interactable
You don't know what that word means do you?
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>>55208444
Ulamog is good because it does something on cast, even if you cast it, and even if you block it it'll still leave a dent. It rewards you for paying the mana. If anything was a problem, it's stuff like Marvel/Sneak/Show which cheat it in.
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>>55205185
Your family must have been real shit people to ignore a funny old man.
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>>55208752

Most cards that cheat shit into play (as well as most fast mana providers, which are basically the same thing) were printed during a time when the most broken things you could do with them weren't that big of a deal. When Show and Tell was printed, Emrakul wasn't even dreamed about. When Natural Order was printed, the biggest creature it could fetch was Vaevictis Asmadi. They only became broken when the high end of creature power was raised through the roof.
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>>55195851
So are you going to post one?
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>>55208550
He said the LEAST interactible.

Being hexproof and uncounterable shuts off a lot of noncreature removal, but it still leaves it open to creature combat. Which is the OPPPSITE of what he said up stream.

The reason why Stalker was so bushit it because the whole POINT of hexproof is that you need to answer it with creatyres usually. Making it unblockable as well removed the primary answer.
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>>55209563
Are you seriously dwelling on the absolute extreme literal definition of "least"?

I'm sorry that the card doesn't have Indestructible and Undying, I suppose that would make it objectively "less" interactive albeit not the "least interactive" you pedantic retard.
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>>55207824
>waaaaaaw I can't Doom Blade it waa
Fuck you, get your way around it, faggot.

You think Magic as a game you can play only one way, removal and counterspells.
And if you can't get to btfo noobs that way, the game is flawed. Well, hold om your chair fatass, it's all Jurassic Park now, better get creative.
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>>55203485
>you should learn to handle women in prominent roles if you want to enjoy the rest of your life.
I live in Russia and we beat women up if they get out of line.
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>>55201905
To be fair, the only new male Planeswalker we have gotten since Ugin is Dovin Baan, and if he didn't show up that means we'd be 3 years strong with only new females.
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>>55212640
I think without the gatewatch showing up every set things will get better, since they'll have more room to include a variety of new and old walkers.

This set alone we've got a pretty even split with new and returning.
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>>55212823
Yeah you're probably right and that's a rational response. I'll try to be optimistic.
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>>55212640
And they've all been stronk women of color planeswalkers since Elspeth was killed off. Really makes you think.
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>>55211008
amen to Russianon
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>>55192159
Why are you so upset by card art? Would you be okay this card if it depicted a dude instead? Why does it matter to you so much that there not be a poc woman planeswalker?
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>>55205754
Nah dude its the 4/5 for 2GG that draws when it takes damage that will do it.
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>>55210200
I'm not being ppedsntic, he was acting lime hexproof was nigh untouchable when it by design leaves it vulnerable to the most populous and played card type in the game.
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>>55216336
I wouldn't exactly call a 7/6 with trample 'vulnerable' in that regard. It's a big dumb green beater that's made even dumber by not having to worry about counterspells and the most common sorts of removal. If you're running something big green and stompy, then it'll be very good in that regard. It won't make or break a deck, but it's one of the best options for that slot, in standard at least.

Of course, I still wouldn't say it should be higher than Rare, even if it is efficient, since nothing about it feels mythical in the slightest. It's a Dinosaur guard-dog and the most common battle tactic of their generals.
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