Ixalan World Building Panel Pax

>>55188839
I'm only here for the dinosaurs and that's it.

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>>55188839
>What will be the gun substitute for pirates?
Well, we've already seen they have some sort of harpoon gun thing, depicted here.

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>>55188839
That Indian guy, I remember that. That was fucking hilarious how spineless the wizard staff was. I bet 5 bucks its the same guy again this year.

>Spain are a white blooddrinking monster Empire able to conquer stuff
Kek

>>55188914
>Make guns and cannons
>Have them be powered by MAGIC instead of gunpowder
>totally not guns and cannons anymore guiz

So is Jace gonna be doing the Dances with Wolves thing? Will the set basically be Dancing with Dinos?

>>55190068
Never seen it but I fot the imepreasion it was more like Castaway, complete with jace making his own illusion buddies.

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>>55188877
Ma nigga

>>55190086
Then how do the natives and the imperialists fit in?

>>55188839
>whites are bad
>natives are victims
>guns are violent

Already know whats gonna happen. I just want spoilers at this point.

>>55188839
>whites are bad
>natives are victims
>guns are violent

Already know whats gonna happen. I just want spoilers at this point.

>>55188962
>spain
>white
first critical research failure

>>55190126
It would seem he ends up befriending the merfolk faction, if the cards in the planeswalker deck are anything to go by
>>55190159
>>55190166
>The vampires are trying to take back what was stolen from them
>One of the native factions are the ones who stole it
>The other native faction is fucking up the first one with their dinosaurs
>The pirates just want the booty and to fuck up vampires
And they generally have a thing against guns because they're not magical, not because they're too violent.

>>55188839
>Fat indian guy
Cmon guys, Talinthas is a bro
He's one of the few prolific mtg writers who isnt just shilling deck tecks and singles websites
Vorthos Jay is cool too

And Magic Man Sam.

>>55190159
>>55190166

Good thing they specifically said they weren't doing that. Don't you look like an idiot.

>>55188839
Didn't we already get a ship from the vampire fleet?

>>55190192
Reading comprehension much?
Torrezon vampires are white, or you also think irl Spain are vampires, because if you assume my "white" mean as irl, so you have to assume the "bloodsucking monsters" part

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>>55190209
This ship is fucking MASSIVE and its just a 4/6 vigilance with crew 2

>>55190192
What even is white anymore? I swear in the last year I've seen so many peoples no longer classified as white. They all look white.
God damn race is retarded.

>>55190209
Is there any reason we wouldnt get more than one? Even in that picture it showed they have other ships.

>>55190200
The merfolk didnt steal the Sun, they just want to keep anyone from getting it because DOOM.

>>55190236
>What even is white anymore?
Whatever it fits your agenda. See, Spaniards might be white when it fits SJW and libcucks, and then non white if it fits. Same for /pol/.

>>55190236
Everything and nothing is white if it fits a particular argument.

>>55190244
and to do this, they stole it. Sounds about right

>>55190274
As far as we know, they don't actually know where it is though. They have a better idea than the other factions, but they still need to go through all this shit to actually find the Immortal Sun.

Which would be weird for the people who stole it.

>>55190236
The guy riding the dinosaur here looks pretty white under all the native wear>>55188914

>>55190289
the current River Heralds. Perhaps their ancestors did. But I agree that this speculation at this point and we have to see how things turn out

>>55188914
Holy shit what's wrong with that girl with an eyepatch arms?

>>55190296
so, he culturally appropiates native culture? Wow, I expected better from Wizards than pushing insensitivity in their card games

>>55188839
Bet that Angrath is yet another human planeswalker from a forgettable ethnic background? Bonus points if (((he))) is trans

>>55190361
Most likely an orc or a minotaur

>>55190361
Why would you assume that, other than just wanting to be outraged?

Why am I even asking, as though you will have a response besides more /pol/ shit?

>>55190377
because that has been the trend for post-SOI walkers. Look at Samut, Kaya and Saheeli

>>55190377
ignoreport

>>55190440
Most post-SOI walkers are characters we already knew about, like Nissa and Gideon. Samut and Saheeli are just two examples, and you seem to be completely ignoring Dovin Baan.

Also Kaya was pre-SOI, stupid.

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>>55188839
10 minutes and they are talking about problematic and racist tropes. Fucking Great!

>>55190550
link?

>>55190550
I dont' understand, when I grew up nobody cared about race, nobody cared about my skin color neither I cared about my friend's skin color, we had awesome movies with people of different ethnicities and nobody threw a fit or complained about not being diverse enough. I hate this age.

>>55190594
Twitch tv pax3, The link wont post on 4chan.

The Vampires look dope

>>55190649
Fuck I missed that

Wasting time with laughter. Nice strategy

>>55190235
>Ship the size of an eldrazi god
>Hits about as hard as a 4-drop dragon

>>55190815
The vehicle is actually one of the smaller ships in thr picture. The cathedral is just so big.

>nobody bat an eye with the bloodsucking monsters predating on natives being white
I wonder why

>>55190860
because its natural. After all, the vampires only feed on criminals

>>55190860
Theyre white because their religion forbids them from feeding except on heretics

>>55190320
She's casting a shrink spell and holding onto the spellball is making her arms shrink because she got distracted and held on to it too long.

Vampires are based
Sun people are bland, they went too safe with them
Merfolks look great
Pirates are a joke, Vraska's all female crew could be interesting though

>You can leave ixalan
Hahahahah bye bye Jace, see you never

>>55190971
Jace becomes a new tribal, with his own lands

>>55190952
Its shit.

>Jace gets his butt kicked
nice

>>55190952
>conditional lifegain on a 5 drop walker as a plus
u boned it

>>55190860
If you actually bothered to learn anything about them you would know that the vampires aren't clear cut invaders or predators. But I know learning new things is probably difficult for you.

>>55190952
Somewhere between fringe playable and garbage
At least they managed to make a SJW-friendly planeswalker with an interesting character for once

>>55190952
Is this one of the worst ultimates ever? Even Samut's ult was clearly powerful and had some potential for abuse.

>>55190952

That ulti can be 0 dmg divided between all their creatures. -0 all creatures are unblockable

>>55191032
>Samut and Huatli are both token representation women
>both are shit
what did WotC mean with this?

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>>55188839
Question time, take your bets if we get a repeat of the SJW disaster last time.

>>55191032
Its not an "ult" in the way you are implying it is. The -x is actually okay. That plus is god fucking awful though.

>>55191090
It's either a PW without an ult, or one with a really shitty ult. In either case it's a major fail, since the whole point of PW is that they have a really powerful ability that they can built towards, usually an ability that can win you the game.

>>55190952
Note the -X can be used as 0 on all creatures to prevent them from blocking. It's not so much an ult as an extra - ability, which is interesting.

>>55190236
Well if random assholes on the internet are anything to go off of people that arn't white include:
Caucasians
Nordics
Normans
Irish
Anglos
Mediteranians
Spanish
Slavs

I'm sure I'm missing something, but that basically leaves us with nobody.

>>55191100
I'm 90% sure there's at least one other planeswalker who doesn't have an 'ult' instead of an ability they can conceivably use.

>>55191100
Many, many planeswalker dont have an ult in the "big efect you build up to" sense. The best planeswalker in standard doesnt have an ult. And one of the other top ones doesnt either. This is worse than either but yeah. Youre being stupid.

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>>55191109
It needs to be dealt at least one point to stop it from blocking.

>>55191124
>Mediteranians
>Spanish
...aren't those the same thing? I mean, aren't Spanish part of Mediterranians?

>>55191129
Gideon, Apeman of Zendikar

>>55191109
>0
>dealing damage

>>55191133
Name some besides the shitty PW Deck walkers and Tibalt. The best PW in standard, Chandra, has a very clear Ult that basically gives you the game if you get the emblem.

>>55191162
see
>>55191146 and Ashioks ult is inferior to his plus ability

>>55191162
Gideon Ally (actually the best walker in standard) Chandra Flamecaller, and from the beginning iirc Garruk Wildspeaker was the one that could driveby

>>55191184
Gideon is barely in Standard right now with Mardu Vehicles losing popularity, whereas Torch of Defiance is a staple in two of the biggest decks.

>>55191139
Yes, sorry for the redundancy.

>>55191184
>Chandra
>mono red and temur energy
>Gideon
>mardu vehicles lmao

>>55191197
Fair enough but that isnt the point so dont try and deflect away from the fact many planeswalkers, and some actually good ones, dont have ults your meant to build up to.

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Will Old Fogey be included as a masterpiece?

>>55191223
Gideon and Flamecaller are but two examples of the near 100 PWs they've made, and Wildspeaker fits with the template of having a likely game-ending ultimate ability.

>>55191231
they don't do masterpieces anymore

>>55191255
y tho

>>55190952
>Three loyalty
>On a 5-drop walker
>That has to kill itself to kill a reasonably sized creature

kek
why on earth would you use this over chandra?

>Plane is called ixalan
>recently discovered continent is calle ixalan
So did the natives and the old worlders had somekind of hive mind to call the new continent ixalan?

>>55191086
only white males were allowed to ask questions and no cringey shit. Everything went better than expected

>>55191255
It's not something they're just done doing, it's just something they decided not to flood each set with.

They'll probably do them every few sets

>>55191086
>last time
hey, I didn't hear about that, what happened?

>>55191279
then it will be too late for ol' Fogey

>>55191247
I can name more if you want. I was listing only relevant ones because I remember them. Again, don't deflect from the original point >>55191100
>It's either a PW without an ult, or one with a really shitty ult.

>>55191287
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nyhzyLttUOk
just look at the disaster yourself

>>55190815
>eldrazi god can get beat up by 13 squirrels

Scale in MTG isn't very good.

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Of note is how the factiona have different material themes.

Vampires are gold
Sun Empire Steel
Merfolk Jade
Pirates Fabric

>>55190375
>Angrath
What are the chances Angrath is just Tahngarth

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>>55191436
Humans are an underclass in the Legion of Dusk, Vampirism is for noble lines

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>>55191452
Vampires have fangs on their helmets
Dinosaur feathered radiate from "sun spots" on their bodies

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It was easy to get white vampires.

Green merfolk some rD people lost their shit over

>>55191031
Boy oh boy I can't wait to see what 3 varieties of o-ring we get for this set.

>>55191537
I'm glad we got them, they look pretty cool. Don't know why they'd flip their shit though, we already have a precedent of UG merfolk, is mono G really that big a leap?

>>55191436
The Sun empire seems boring so far
Remove the dinosaurs and you're left with vanilla warriors
Definitely the weakest of the 4 tribes lore-wise

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>>55191537
It's not the first time merfolk were green, or fuck even a nonblue color since monowhite merfolk exist but it's definitely the first time they've been pushed hard outside of blue.

>>55191639
I thought the same when they said that

>>55191618
This, the dinosaurs is the only thing they have going, everything else is so fucking boring.

See Torrezor, not only they have cool looking armors, not only they have fucking awesome ships, not only they have a religion that sounds cool, they're also motherfucking vampires

>>55191461
Had no idea they were so strict with their naming. The Legion is such a god damn cool faction.

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>>55191601
>>55191658
I dunno, man. I feel RD now is also a very different RD from when they went ham with tribal back in Lorwyn so maybe there's some more conservative views on how tribal was to be handled. Personally, fuck those dudes, I'm glad they went ahead and started fucking around. Maybe we can have elves follow suite in the future and get them in some colors that aren't green.

>>55191618
No shit they would be vanilla, their whole gimmick revolves around dinosaurs. It's like saying Torrezor would be boring if you removed the religion and vampire aspect; they wouldn't be the same faction if you did that, because those are the primary components that make them what they are.

>bad dudes are white
Fuck Trump and fuck white people!

>>55191309
I dont see the problem...

>>55191731
There are no bad dudes, there are different factions that all want the same thing and are all trying to fuck each other over to get to it.

I wonder how many times we're going to have to say this to idiots who just want to shitpost.

>>55191731
>bad dudes are hispanics
We need to build a wall

>>55191767
>Conquistador and Inquisicion looking vampires
>not the bad dudes
I'm not even /pol/ and I know the vocal groups (left or right) are going to treat them like the bad dudes and get mad over them

I also know that lefty ones aren't going to play a Spanish conquistador deck

>>55188877
I like you

>>55191731
>Aggressive, territorial jungle dwellers
>Literally bloodthirsty Conquistadores
>Scurvy and treacherous carpetmuncher pirates
>BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD Dinosaur Riders

>"HURR DURR WHY R WHITE PPL BAD FUCKIN SJWS"

>>55191821
That is their own fault for not bothering to actually read up on the story, and know that the conquistadors are there to take back something that was stolen from them, and they are white-aligned partially because they hate having to feed off of people and only do so to criminals.

And people's reaction to Ixalan vampires has been overwhelmingly positive, and most normal people aren't so oversensitive that they won't play a tribe they think is cool if it's viable.

>>55191821
I, for one, cannot wait to play my vampire conquistadors to conquer the inferior dinosaur decks of those leftists

>>55191124
Spaniards are mediterranian you fool

>>55191731
I for once am happy they showed how white people is internally by showing their monstruosity externally (vampires). It's so fitting.

>>55190192
>mediterranian people are not white
Muh aryan heritage amirite

>>55191928
Even so, where do you thing mediterraryan comes from?

The pirates are mostly people who fled the other continent after vampires took over.
It's literally going to be strong independent women vs the evil vampire monarchy when they clash.

>>55191839
So the menfolk are the good guys? Great! It's time someone cleaned up their name since Laquatus.

Also, chances Angrath is a descendant of Volrath?

>>55191948
Most of the pirate cards spoiled thus far have a mix of men and women in the art, and they are the descendants of people who fled. Most of them probably don't give a shit anymore about the old country, and just want to pillage.

Stop being a baby and looking for things to whine about.

>>55191679
I dont know, the Aztechtic of the Sub Empire seems on par with the Vamps just for being gorgerous.

The vid posting on fresco thry used to sell the concept to the brand teams and such and it was awe inspiring.

Also the Sun Empite religion is cool.

It combines the Aztec five suns concept with the Creator-Preserver-Destroyer triad you see with hinduism, wrapped up in tje color pie and the phases of the moon.

White/ Creating Sun/Dawn
Green/Preserving Sun/Noon
Red/Consuming Sun/Sunset

Also all the Quetzal motifs that are so clearly Ugin(or of Ugin's race)

That and the mystery behind what the immortal sun IS.

It was on Torezon, the Vampires had it stolen, it was taken to Orazca, then Orazca was lost, now the Sun Empire wants to reclaim their sacred city and the Merfolk want no one to get it because they say its doom.

>>55190860
They just want their relic back

>>55192000
Thematically, shouldn't Green be creating and White preserving?

>>55192000
>Vampires stolen it first
See, white people is evil bloodsucking mosnters

>>55190952
>she's cute
>she's shit
Not fair

>>55192042
One day I hope you'll learn how to read.

>>55192014
The Vampires want the sun because they think it will give them eternal life.
The Sun Empire wants to reclaim their sacred golden city
The Pirates want the ultimate treasure
The Merfolk want the city to remain hidden.
Bolas gave Vraska a compas for some evil reason
And people are having visions of an exitiction event
Add that all up to a Plane you cant escape from

How does it all connect...

>>55192070
Specifically, the vampires want it because it gives them all the positives of being a vampire, without having to drink blood.

>>55192036
Green is the presever color. Maro literally desribed it lime holding up a rock, its the one that is most against change and wants to preserve the natural order.

But Green amd white are close as fuck flavor and mechanicwise anyway so you have a point.

(Also why is the green sun, drawn so dark in the Sun Empire flag?)

>>55191995
I'll stop whining if and when merfolks win.
While it is true that a lot of pirates are men, the most important figures (Vraska and the 2 legendaries) are women.
And them being descendants of people who fled gives them a very good reason to go after the Legion of Dusk. I just can't see them losing when you take into account Wizard's tendency to cater to SJWs.

>>55192094
>Aztec-themed plane
>the sun does not require blood

>>55192094
They BELIVE it does. The podcast and panel were clear on that these are legends/conceptions/beliefs not hard facts.

I fully expect some twist.

>>55192109
Angrath, the pirate planeswalker, is most likely a man.

>>55192138
He's also dead. That's him being turned to stone on Vraska's Contempt.

>>55192138
I have to say, that trailer of Vraska using petrified people as weapons and tools os hilarious.

She beheaded a bitch, stoned her and used her as a canonball

>>55192149
That's pretty clear a vampire, he has bat ears.

>>55192070
An extremely convoluted plan by Bolas to rid himself of that meddling Jace Beleran!

>>55192149
Thats a vampire.

It was in the "Vampires getting fucked up montage"

She stole a Vamp ship and used its captain as a masthead

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>>55192127
>I fully expect some twist.

>vampires seeking a sun-themed artifact
What could possibly go wrong?

>>55191068
>>55191068
>creatures dealt damage this way

>>55192127
They also owned it for a period of time, so they should have some understanding of what it does.

>>55192188
>Vampires, which are Spanish conquistadors, are nazies
>not evil

>>55192149
Thats a vampire

>>55192138
That doesn't change the predictability of the conflict.
If the pirates wins they have a good, marketable strong women moment.
If vampires win they gain nothing from it, except making the Legion of Dusk the clear villains of the story.
The best case scenario is that their inevitable battle doesn't amount to anything in the grand scheme of the story. They can have the pirates kill a vampire general or something else irrelevant to the main goal.

So did all you fags flip your shit about Koth? A black freedom fighter who enlisted the aid of a beautiful white woman to free his people?

>>55192195
The Sun Empire once had Orazca as well.

all this shit is so long ago its past into myth and legend.

Dont get me wrong it obviuy does SOMETHINH powerful, but I doubt its what any one faction truly belives it is in full.

>>55191821
>they wouldnt play a vampiric conquista deck
What a bunch of retards. Legion of dusk is based af

>>55192286
The only retards are the people who think a majority of players pick decks based on factions they identify with and not what they think is cool and/or competitive. This isn't Ravnica.

>>55191086
What happened last time?

>>55192262
I seriously doubt any one group is going to "win" here.

When you need a fucking conference to build your world because you're unable to do it through the cards anymore.

>>55192311
A major problem with Magic's story is that for the longest time the cards absolutely didn't tell the story, and most players had no idea what the story of sets even were unless they read the comics and novels. They've gotten far better at integrating story into cards, and especially the main narrative into cards.

>>55192120
Yeah they went to safe in that aspect and kinda fucked it

>>55191708
>tfw we'll probably never see Tribal Sorceries/Instants/Enchantments again simply because MaRo hates them
Fuck

>>55192215
>conquistadors
>nazis
Are you purposefully acting retarded or what?

>>55192331
As someone who was always more of s bookfag growing up, I miss the way they used to license their novels.

>>55192265
We had better things to whine about, like Venser being kill

>>55192301
Fuck you dude. I'll enjoy the game however i want

>>55192331
I was talking about world building, not the "story". The big problem with Magic's worlds now is that we see them mainly through the eyes of a bunch of characters nobody likes. Innistrad did everything perfectly; we had a world of vampires, zombies, horrors, and humans trying to survive. There was planeswalkers there sure, but they weren't why we were there. Hell, "we" weren't even there, it was just the plane Wizards was showing us. These days we only go to planes because an Avenger is dragging our attention there.

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Sweet

I keep thinking that when you guys say white you mean mana.I am a proud person of color.... blue.

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>>55192149

>>55192398
leftists are too simple-minded to understand nuance

>>55192372
No, its because they were am experiment that added a lot of words and rukes wonkiness to the game, that was inconsistent, rarely worth it, barely done even when it WAS supported and something who the actual creator of told them not to do, but the design team pushed it through because they likee the corner case gameplay.

Its something that would only work of it was done from the get go. It just doesnt work despite the many times they tried.

>>55192265
How is Koth black? Also, he is part metal, which makes him cool. No one whined about Tezzeret either

>>55192070
Phyrexia, I hope...

General World Info
>The Immortal Sun was referenced as a legendary artifact, possibly metaphorically but also may not be a coincidence since those are literal game terms.
>The initial pitch for the set was vampire conquistadors, and a lot of brainstorming was done to make that not problematic.
>Adventure theme explores different space than Zendikar, which was about navigating through three-dimensional space and finding stuff. >Ixalan is about going deeper and deeper into the unknown and finding things never seen before.
>Block had three factions: Vampires, Sun Empire, Pirates. Then monarch got stolen by Conspiracy: Take the Crown. Merfolk were broken out of Pirates and Dinosaurs (which were just an environmental thing) got folded into the Sun Empire.
>Confirmed: Planeswalkers cannot leave Ixalan. Huatli sparked, got an understanding of the Multiverse, but could not leave.
>Jace’s mind was wiped by Bolas. We’re entering a stage with the Gatewatch members at their lowest points.

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>>55192588
The Sun Empire
>Orazca used to be the center of the Sun Empire. They don’t wear gold anymore after having left the city ages ago, and no longer no where it is. Looking for it now to return to their ancient homeland.
>The set’s “exploring lost words” theme led to the inclusion of dinosaurs. They also happened to blend exceptionally well with the Aztec feather motifs that inspired the Sun Empire.
>No discussion was needed to determine that dinosaurs would have feathers. Everyone said, “Yup!” and it became the thing.
>Scientific accuracy is never Creative’s goal: all dinosaurs get feathers that are placed and colored to invoke sun imagery. Names were also blends of fantasy and fact to create fake dinosaur species that sound like they could be real.
>Feathers were actually toned down in some art because too many at card size confused people about whether or not the creature had flying.
>Three open concentric circles represent the Empire’s conception of the sun as a creator, sustainer, and consumer of life.
>Huatli is sort of the Joan of Arc of the Empire, one of its mightiest, most intelligent, and bravest warriors.
>Face paint is worn by mages, while knights wear silver armor with orderly feather motifs.

>>55192588
Why would Vampire Conquistadors be problematic? Vampires are evil and so are Conquistadors, it fits.

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>>55192372
They would be a great addition to this block.


>>55192537
Wouldn't it be simple to allow subtypes on cards other than creatures?
Planeswalkers already have them, and that doesn't cause any issue.

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>>55192094
>Specifically, the vampires want it because it gives them all the positives of being a vampire, without having to drink blood.

>>55192613
I bet they don't know who Joan of Arc was

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>>55192613
The Legion of Dusk
>Negative conquistador tropes were upended by making the vampires far from the dominating force in the area. They are very much equals with, or lesser than, the other factions.
>Vampire armor and weapons have a two-prong theme as a representation of fangs.
>The Legion of Dusk seeks eternal life, not unending undeath. They want to “ascend to another plane,” which is very specific wording for Magic. Do they know of the Multiverse or just have a heaven analogue?
>Vampirism is granted to nobles only through a series of rites and rituals.
>The queen of their people is named Miralda!
>Queen’s Bay is a collection of islands governed by a viceroy where the Legion of Dusk has built forts and such. Queen Miralda also keeps an eye on her colonies in Ixalan via spies.
>There are humans in the Legion of Dusk, but they only serve in menial roles like sailors.

Does the conquistador Vampires can get on the sun in this plane?

>>55192617
They didn't want to do the whole "White Army with superior tech exterminates the jungle savages" thing.

Its a 4 way even conflict, not one wiping the other out.

>>55192653
>lesser than, the other factions.
This makes no sense, if they're lesser or equal than Pirates why did Pirates fleed?

>>55192670
Weird, I feel like evil factions should look stronger at the begining so the victory for the good guys feels more satisfying

>>55192619
The whole reason Tribal was made a type was bevause rules wise each subtype needs a set type to associate with. A "Sorcery-Goblin" opens up all kinds of rules issues.

(Its been said if the started over, they wluld just give everything types)

>>55192719
The whole point is there isn't an 'evil' faction.

>>55191031

exclusion ritual btfo

>>55192619
Why was Tribal necessary at all? Why not just print an enchantment with the Rebel and Aura subtypes? That single card might seem innocuous, but the deeper issue here has to do with some very important rules that prevent some very silly things. See, rule 205.3d in the Comprehensive Rules states that—stop me if you've heard this one—each card type has its own possible list of subtypes, except for two pairs of types that share their list of subtypes. One such pair is instant and sorcery, allowing both of those to be Arcane; the other is creature and tribal.

If 205.3d didn't exist, we'd have a lot more freedom in adding subtypes to things. Instead of Arcane, we could have just made instants and sorceries that were Spirits! (That's ignoring the obvious problems that arise with splice.) Of course, we can't just have a generic list of subtypes, because it seems clear that Imagecrafter shouldn't turn things into Shrines or Equipment. So we could just define "creature types" as those subtypes that have been printed on a creature, right? (Well, or given to a creature, or created as a creature token...) That way Volrath's Laboratory can't make Forests. Oh, wait, crud, what about Dryad Arbor and Life and Limb? Now Mistform Ultimus taps for G, because Forest has been printed on a creature! This is what we call a Bad Thing, and we avoid the whole mess by keeping discrete lists of subtypes.

So we have 205.3d to keep the lists of subtypes separate (except the ones that share nice), and we have 205.3e to state explicitly that for cards with multiple types (such as Bound in Silence), each subtype gets correlated to the correct type. That second one keeps us from landing in the exact same trouble that 205.3d is meant to prevent.

>>55192699
>In a world with dragons, wizards, merfolk, etc I find unrealistic that a bigger force flees in terror from a weaker force

>>55192719
Maybe they're not evil?

>>55192738
>Conquistador vampires
>Not evil
I'm getting mixed signals in here

>>55192650
They explictly compared her visions from her aborted first walk to the ones Joan had.

Huatli sparks, gets sucked back in by the binding and the revelation has her convery to warrior poetry and seek out tje lost sacred city on her people.

I wish the Aztec-y Dino riders were lizardmen.

>>55192775
>I wish Wotc would enter in a lawsuit with GW

>>55192740
Of course, that leaves the question of why tribal couldn't be a supertype like legendary or basic. The issue here is that subtypes are correlated with types, while supertypes aren't (205.3d again, in a big-ticket team-up with 205.4a). So what exactly would the tribal supertype mean? Would it mean that this object can have creature subtypes, or would it mean that this object's types can have creature subtypes correlated with them? The first causes big problems with 205.3d, and the second gets weird if the permanent starts losing types, as with Neurok Transmuter or Soul Sculptor. You could argue that tribal still applies to the new types, so the subtypes are kept, but then you've got something that works differently than other cards do when types change... These issues aren't necessarily intractable, but they're messy and counterintuitive either way, and everything works a lot more cleanly if tribal is a type. The rules do specify, however, that tribal always appears on cards that have at least one other type (that's 212.8a, for those keeping score at home).

>>55192790
Wait, wut? There's lizardmen in 40k?

>>55192699
they are lesser on Ixalan because not the full force of the Legion is present. If every vampire from Torrezon would arrive, the conflict would be over in a day. So it is mostly young nobles

>>55192719
>pure and righteous vampires
>evil
???

>>55192765
because you lack imagination. They only want to retake what has been stolen from them from those filthy natives. That's why they have a justification for eventually eradicating them

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>>55192653
The Brazen Coalition
>The core of the pirates is fun. They rely on freedom, a sense of exploration, and the vanity of murder and theft. They are the boisterous scallywags you’d expect. There are no “math pirates.”
>Different crews aren’t necessarily broken up by color. There aren’t “the blue pirates and the red pirates.” Instead, each crew has its own visual motifs and pirate roles. Some crews all have ropework in their outfits, others are about boots and buckles.

The River Heralds
>Merfolk visually embody the fluidity of Blue via their fins and the groundedness of Green with their rigid jade armor.
>Color and beauty were important in their styling. Inspired by tropical river fish and poison dart frogs and such.
>Green Merfolk were a tough sell, even though no one batted an eye at White Vampires.

>>55192798
>What's Warhammer Fantasy and Age of Sigmar?

>>55192831
>no wacky science pirates with superpowers from fruits
gay

>>55192740
>>55192727
>>55192795
Thanks for the explication.
We can still hope for a rules update someday to clean this mess up.

>>55192551
>Implying /pol/acks wouldn't whine about Koth if he was introduced now
Fuck, some newfags will probably whine anyway if he makes a comeback

>>55192827
/pol/ is that way

>>55192841
dead games

>>55192765
They are all various shades of dicks.

Its a Race Race. Not really a good v evil thing.

The Legion eats anyone not of their religion and conqueted a continent in pursuit of blodd because they only feed on "heretics"

The Sun Empire pushed the Merfolk out into nomadic tribes to set up their reign over the island.

The Merfolk are terriotorial assholes who kill anyome who steps into the wilds

The Pirates burn kill and pillage.

>>55192769

Sure, she's more explicitly a fighter with actual powers, but that's because this is a card game and magic actually exists.

>>55192853
Its like how instant should be a supertype instead of a type.

Its to baked in to change it all now.

>>55192880
why do we see this form of nuance only now and not back on Kaladesh, where it could have saved the story of a mediocre block?

>>55192903

Why a super type and not an ability?

>>55192831
>green merfolk were a tough sell
Why? They're savages that are all the time in contact with nature

>>55192906
Probably because they realized the mediocrity of Kaladesh, and have been taking steps to see how they can improve. Like people tend to do.

>>55192906

Nicol Bolas putting a Tezz in there kinda borks that.

>>55188839
That indian guy was fucking hilarious, I hope he will be there again.

>>55192916
Because instants and sorceries are the same thing mechanic wise aside fdom speed and dont need two card types

so you get rid of instant type and flash and then just make instant sorceries, instant creatures etc.

"instants and sorceriew" dont both need to be types

>>55192906
Dovaan was bases as fuck in KLD and AER what are you talking about?

>>55193008
that the Consulate and the Renegades were handled badly and the conflict was overshadowed by Gatewatch shenanigans

>>55192993

But why make it a super type and not an ability?

A sorcery card with flash is possible.

A flashy sorcery card would also work.

Why come supertype?

>>55190236
Do you ask this of any other race?
Kill yourself.

>>55193054
Yeah, the Consulate were never actually painted as evil in any way. Tezzeret and Baral were obvious bad apples, but the Consulate as a whole were actually fine. Yet Wizards just HAD to go and spin a totally not political story about a big bad organisation holding control of a "resource", and "rebels" trying to "liberate" that resource, like babby's first fucking Communist projection or something.

>>55193069
Never forget there was an era where "Interrupt" and "Instant" were both card types in the same sets together, along with "Sorcery."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZOcCTSL7dmw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZOcCTSL7dmw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZOcCTSL7dmw

Say no to Vraska the Unseen, say yaaas to Vraska the Pirate Queen!

>>55192653
Is there any pdf with all the other Art of MtG?
>>55193137
It's funny that all the captains in pirate cards are women and we don't have any classic notBlackbeard

>>55193137
YES QUEEN SLAAAAAAYYYY

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>>55193170
Except not all the captains in pirate cards are women, stop spreading misinformation.

>>55193192
that's clearly a butch woman, what are you talking about?

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>>55193192
I don't know, I mean, this individual looks very feminine and womanly. How could this 'Fathom Fleet Captain' possibly be a man?

>>55193069
Since without the instant card type. Flash would need wonky reminxer text that works better as part of how the rules work like "basic.

>>55193216
>>55193192
legendary cards, idiots

>>55193239
If it's evergreen enough (and it would be), then it wouldn't need reminder text.
Do you need reminders on what Lifelink and Deathtouch do? What about Flying?

So jace will be worth 15$, huatli will be $5 maybe. Whats the chance vraska is the chase card?

>>55193277
I'm sorry, read >>55193170 again.
>It's funny that all the captains in pirate cards
Where was legendary mentioned?

Don't move the goalposts. There are captains in pirate cards that are not women and that are male.

>>55192653
>>The Legion of Dusk seeks eternal life, not unending undeath. They want to “ascend to another plane,
I mean, this pretty much spoils it right?
>Plane where planeswalkers cant walk away has a legend about an artifact that allows people to "ascend to a higher plane"

Wizards/Maro is here lads
Time to abandon the thread

>>55193392
>oh no people are calling us out for lying
>quick let's resort to ad hominem that'll work

Go back to whatever echo chamber you came from.

>>55193343
Why the fuck would this Jace be anything over $3?

>>55193137
even if its use alot of 3d, i like even if it doesnt look exactly like art, and have low fps, it look unique

>>55193392
>People are bringing logic into our shitflinging
>Quick, find another place to shitpost

>>55193431
Because the low powerlevel of Standard.

>>55193343
Medium to high. Original Vraska was meh but they could make her good considering they love giving G/B good cards.

>>55192484
No comment on how amazing this art is?

>>55192484
>vampire aren't evil, guys
>literally threatening the natives in their first meeting

>>55193569
Sometimes you have to make threats even when you're the good guys. I mean, how else are we going to stop those nasty Trump supporters?

>>55191100
I believe one of the strengths of this card is you can drop it onto a board stall, negate three of their blockers, and swing in

>>55193720
Not to mention trigger your own dino's enrage procs, which puts in some good value.

Frankly, I really like her. It feels fitting that a walker who's literally never been able to leave her plane before doesn't have a giant world-ending ult. She's a nice pile of interesting synergies that appeal to the part of me that likes playing around less-than-stellar walkers, like Vraska.

>>55193381
>jace steals the artifact and everyone is left looking like an idiot

>>55192372
Maro was probably one of the ones that sided with 'sure they can fit', honestly.

>>55192484

So...the sun doesn't hurt the vampire?

>>55190952

I dunno, I kinda like 'Free dinosaur every turn' with the option to also stop blockers.

Honestly, I'm just happy to see a Red planeswalker who seems to be going with an emotion other than 'Angry'

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>>55193381
Was the ship Captain Sisay was given after Yoggy died able to planeswalk like the Weatherlight? Maybe she crashed it here

>>55193909
>So what's the next step in your master plan, Sisay?

>>55193909
Don't you fucking toy with me heartstrings boyo! I miss the Weatherlight crew so much...

>>55190952
Man, Glorybringer really was designed to keep Planeswalkers in check wasn't it

>>55193970
Enough time has passed that they are all dead (except Squee).

>>55194135
I know. Which makes hearing their mention all that painful. Also, I count Karn.

>>55192162
It looked more like she stoned her, THEN broke the resulting statue to use her head as a cannonball

>>55192265
4chan was a lot less unironically racist in 2010.

I haven't been paying attention. On a scale of 1 to 10 how much Nothing Wrong did the Legion of Dusk do?

>>55193994
it's one of the few evolution targets truly worth it

>>55193322
All keywords needs reminders, even evergreen ones.

Otherwise how are you supposed to know what they do to remember them in the first place.

It was to be spelled out SOMEwhere.

And explaining flash in a world without instants is way harder than just making an instant "cast whenever you want" supertype

>>55193381
Why would that cause Doom or give immortal life?

>>55194887
>but don't worry, it'll pass in the next couple of years
I don't think that's likely when we have such a divisive individual with an R next to his name in the White House.

>>55193569
This ain't the first meeting
Also they view the people they're meeting as thieves cause they stole the macguffin everyone wants and probably solely exists to make jace immortal

>>55194991
I can't see them making Jace immortal, unless they really want to backpedal hard on the mending.

>>55194689
Maybe it quite simply doesnt? Also the Legion are the ones who believe it gives them eternal life, by ascending to a higher plane.

>>55195011
Well the vampires think it'll make them immortal without needing to prey on humans, Bolas thinks it'll make him immortal, and the vile merfolk don't want anyone to have it so it's probably something good

>>55194991
>>55195011
To be fair, if they made Jace immortal, it wouldn't be to make him more powerful.
It'd be so he can be horribly mangled repeatedly and often

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>>55195036
Spoiler alert
Its a new mirari... some how

>>55195204
They wouldn't do that. Also immortaltiy generally doesn't protect against damage

>>55194991
>thieves
They didn't go to Torrezon son how did the Sun Empire stole the artifact?

>>55195311
No idea. But that's what Torrezon believes happened
And as far as I'm concerned, Torrezon is the best faction on this plane

>>55191821
Democrat for life here, and Legion of Dusk is the only faction I give a shit about.

>>55195333
>torrezon id the best faction in this plane
My nigga

>>55195204
It would be funny if Jace became immortal before Lil.

>>55191197
>moving goalposts

>>55191261
Because wizards doesn't know what the fuck they want.

>>55190192
When you call Spain, Greece and Italy not white you're supporting the worldview that white people have no culture.

>>55196853
What are you talking about? He said Gideon was the best, when he clearly isn't, and hasn't been for a while. That's not moving goalposts, because it's just a minor point of the conversation that's being clarified (because he specifically mentioned the 'best PW in standard').

I know this might be hard for you, since I assume your reading comprehension is shit.

>>55190361
He's evil. He'll be white and hetero.

>>55197608
I know, I bet that really triggers you.

>>55191948
Vampires is literally a matriarchy.

>>55197743
That would be if women were in charge in general.
It's a monarchy that happens to have a queen.

>>55192588
>>The initial pitch for the set was vampire conquistadors, and a lot of brainstorming was done to make that not problematic.
So this could actually have been Requiem: Chevalier Vampire the set if Jarvis was still art director instead of that whore Dawn and the PR faggots.

>>55190235
meanwhile a bear cub is a 3/3

>>55192588
>The initial pitch for the set was vampire conquistadors,
I'm gneuinely shocked. I'd have bet money it started with aztec dinosaurs which lead into vampire conquisadors second.

>>55197899
I would have preferred it stayed vampire conquistadors

>>55190235
How many cannons or other weapons do you see on that ship?
How easy do you think it is for it to use that size to actually HIT something with?
And it's made of wood.
It's huge, yes, but it's lumbering and ungaily as fuck and steering it is a pain beyond GO IN THAT GENERAL DIRECTION (which is easy enough) and a big enough hole can put it down (and even THEN it's fat enough to be dragonproof, you need sea serpents and wurms and shit to crack that hull)

>>55192906
Because latin-americans and mexicans in particular, aren't triggered by conquistadors. The conquista was epic and both sides showed qualities worth admiring and frightening cruelty.
This is not a story about poor mudhut dwellers being destroyed by modern Ypipo. This was two nations at their apex clashing and Cortez only won by playing a losing hand like a mad genius.

>>55193381
Hope this ends with more vampire planeswalkers.

>>55190235
Is this the Spruce Goose of the setting?

>>55197651
I want an Orc walker but that won't happen because orcs are dark skinned and darkies can't be evil unless it was an albino like Zurgo.

>>55197907
It is Vampire Conquistadors, if anything what'll dilute their glory will be Jace and Vraska taking up space, not the natives and pirates.

>They had to edit card art of a human with feathered wings on their head because people thought it looked like it could fly
just

Wait

Legendary Pirate Captains - Women
Vampire Queen - Woman
Dino Planeswalker - Woman
Merfolk Mythic (Chief) - Woman

>>55198927
Women 18-24 make much more money than men 18-24. But we'll keep hearing them whine about "the pay gap" because hood rats who didn't finish high school don't make as much money as Trump, Hilton and Buffett.

>>55198927
Gotta please the 0.3% SJW feminist crowd
At least they don't ruin the story with their diversity quotas, others IPs flopped hard as soon as they made the switch

>>55199200
No, they ruined the story cause "Muh movie deal"

>>55199207
I wouldn't say ruined, but they definitely went a completely different direction
Nowadays the story feels cartoonish and marvel-like

Isn't it fascinating how five years ago, we used to ridicule people who spent their free time counting the number of women and ethnics in MtG so they could be angry about it?

I guess it's only deserving of ridicule when they're angry about the lack of them, rather than angry about the inclusion of them.

>>55199237
I don't think anyone has a problem with women and ethnics being included in MtG. It only becomes a problem when they are included solely to fill quotas and add nothing to (or worse, harm) the story and setting.

>>55198993
Woops wrong thread: > www.4chan.org/pol

>>55200545
But the whole story for three years has been about filling quotas and ruining settings. It's in canon to pander for the numales, pissing off 30 something wanna be chads playing a children's card game.

>>55200736
>But the whole story for three years has been about filling quotas and ruining settings.
Well yeah, I didn't say this shit started just now Ixalan.

You can say a lot about how WoC handles the cards, story and characters.
But they are damn good at worldbuilding.

I love the themes of the factions of Ixalan and the setup so far.

And now for the cards and story to destroy any positive feelings I have.

>>55190952
That's literally a enchantment that gives you a 3/3 every turn except your opponent can attack it, I'll give her a sound, resounding meh, wouldn't even use in dino EDH.

>>55190952
Probably will fit it into a deck if I get the card but I won't get out of my way to get it.

I do hope that this isn't the only card making those Dino tokens though.

>>55194426
because people were not triggered by it so much as they are now

>>55202196
Back in 2010 people still hadn't gone into hysterics over microaggressions and how everything was racist and homophobic and transphobic and shit. And really, most of 4chan outside of /pol/ still ISN'T unironically racist, it is just that the number of people who think everythig is racist multiplied and are having fits everywhere.

>>55192617
>And so are conquistadors

Goooooood goy

>>55193355
It refers to important figures, retard.

>>55191100
the strongest planeswalkers in the game didn't have ults or they were never, ever ult'd, you do know this right?

>>55193192
>>55193216

There are 3 pirate legends in standard. They are all women. That seems like a really weird oversight.

>>55191032
>>55191100
>>55191133
>>55202523
>>55190952
95% of all planeswalkers are not used for their ultimate but only for their first 2 abilities.
Planeswalker are designed for many reasons. huge exciting ultimates are only minor design goal and we already saw many without one.

this doesn't change the fact the card reads extremely unexciting to both noob and advanced players.It doesn't feel mythic.
with a gigantic -7 ultimate at least it would have been cool as fuck in the eyes of a 10 year old timmy.

You all niggers did miss the fact the entire point of her -x is to enrage your own dinos and we are 100% going to get some decent enrage cards.
She still sucks under all card evaluation metrics but maybe she will do something for a tier 2 deck ( we know there are lifegain synergy and enrage in the set) All her 3 terrible abilities are useful for a dino deck as soon as she enters.
Always remember that the last time /tg/ said some cards sucked those cards won the pro tour.

>>55201756
>I do hope that this isn't the only card making those Dino tokens though.
>random 3/3 with trample without big synergy with her other abilities

it does indeed feel like we are going to see more of those tokens.

>>55203025
There was a supposed leak dinosaur that does not have a card yet.
But it was like a 4/4 that comes into play and it makes a 3/3 green trample with haste

so probably other dinosaurs are going to make the same tokens.

>>55203005
About the only time /tg/ has been right was Siege Rhino, and even that wasn't...quite right.