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The link to the Modi Living Campaign was absurdly long so I went and made a new link for it. Problem is that 4chan doesn't seem to like tinyurl, probably with good reason, so I can't actually post it.
Suffice it to say that you can get to the Living Campaign sign up page through the Modi ST:A homepage.

I've been rewatching TNG and I'm surprised to find how bad iseason 7 is. Besides Pegasus, Lower Decks, Preemptive Strike and AGT it's all garbage.

>>55185602
Combination of them running out of good ideas, closing off story pitches from outside sources, and most of the staff moving to either work on DS9 or start hashing out Voyager.

>>55185602
>Worf's time travelling son.
Yeah, season 7 was pretty much a write-off. A couple of the ideas were novel but not enough to carry a full episode generally.

>"Remember when the Ferengi were threatening?"
Except Ferengi were never threatening. Little fucks never went anywhere. They managed to threaten single ships through sciFi gadgets of the week, but nothing anyone couldn't deal with if they put their mind to it. (And pull their stick out of their asses first. Looking at you, Federation)

Which is why DS9 is a god send for them. Here they stopped being 3rd rate villains you got out when your Klingon/Romulan/Borg quota was full.

>Mirror universe TNG comic from previous thread

I'm actually quite impressed with this. The mirror universe stuff usually gets caught up with full ham, cartoon baddies stuff. This somehow makes Picard and company seem like they can actually do stuff. Sure thee's a pointless assassination attempt but outside of that it's people communicating and technical solutions still.

>>55185602
A lot of that can be put down to Jeri Taylor. To quote memory alpha:
>"While Michael Piller continued to be credited as Executive Producer, he chose to focus on DS9 more, and so Jeri Taylor took over as showrunner for the final season of the series. One of her first decisions was to put an end to the open-submission process that Piller had put in place for scripts, and focus the writing around a core team of regular staff, with freelancers occasionally invited to make submissions."

With the writing team depleted and worn down by having to work on TNG, split for TNG, prepping for Generations, the finale, Voyager looming, they needed those fresh ideas from outside their bubble more than ever.

>>55186998
What if it wasn't an assassination attempt and rather just part of Picards own training regime to keep himself ready for everything?

>>55186998
The first instalment was even better, tbqhwyf - it felt more like the planning of a heist than anything else.

>>55187189
As someone who has read the next comic i can say, you are going to be surprised.

>>55186284
Agreed. The Ferengi didn't fit well as a principle bad guy, even when they were trying to push that concept.

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>>55186998
>Mirror universe TNG comic from previous thread
I thought the Alliance had already whipped the Terran Empire by that time frame?

>>55188285
By DS9 time frame, yes, but this is pre-TNG with Picard still on the Stargazer; if I remember the first bit correctly it's pretty much the TE's Last Stand

>>55187238
Well, post that shit then.

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>>55188355
Your dubs are compelling, but i feel lazy...
Shit, i cant decide.
I would have to first grab the whole thing and then post it here...
Anyone else wanna see the next chapter?

>>55188399
I do. just do it fgt whenever you feel like.

>>55188441
Well fuck it then, gonna grab the pages now.
Will be posting in foreseeable future.

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>>55188457
Alright here it comes.

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>>55188540
Do mind that i don't have a 4chan pass, so this is going to take a while to post.
Oh well, at least you have time to read and appreciate the art.

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>>55188562
Well shit, didn't know MU had dress uniforms.

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>>55188579
"Trooper, where are your sleeves?"
"Nevermind, to the agony booth with you!"

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>>55188605
Fun fact, in MU, Wesley is a low-functioning autist wishing he was home posting on asian imageboards.

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>>55188618
Forever a optimist, eh, Wesley?

>>55187238
I assume that Picard fucks it up for everyone because hubris.

I mean, that'd be the fitting twist.

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>>55188633
Time to take this ship to the stars.

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>>55188648
Im betting it's going to end in either Worf blowing up Enterprise, Data grabbing it and handing it over to the borg in exchange of becoming a real boy or Viking Riker takes it over and sails it to the nearest poon planet.

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>>55188676
Wait, they have this sorta giant transporters on their ships in ST?
Always thought they were using that one machine that could teleport 7 people at a time.

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>>55188695
And nobody was even transported inside a bulkhead or a shuttle! Man, everyone got luck points like mad!

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>>55188717
Don't you just love it how a brand new prototype warship has no guards whatsoever?

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>>55188732
You would think a guy who has a decree in matter-antimatter reactions would know better than to argue with a disgruntled guy with a gun.

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>>55188765
>Skeletons
Shit guys, this story time is getting too spooky for me!

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>>55188787
This has to be some sorta record as worlds shortest captaincy.

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>>55188695
Oh fuck, they built the 3 nacelle + spinal lance version.

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>>55188842
>I was merely pretending to be retarded
Damn, Wesley really is a 24th century anon.

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>>55188860
Wonder if they have been dragging him across the hallways all this time?

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>>55188880
So, does this count as being tossed overboard?

>>55188880
Nah man, they put him in the brig until Picard was ready to throw him out the airlock.

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>>55188897
And that was that.
Have fun reading through those.

As a sidenote, i really love those gold markings on MU ships.

>>55188907
Huh, and here i thought they had been cleaning up the corridors with the worlds fanciest mop.

>>55188897
Well at least a Goa'uld didn't get him.

>>55186284
>>55187478
I feel like the Ferengi would have worked better as an outlet for Federation villains-amoral black market merchants willing to supply planetary governors hoping for independence with a side of genocide, or as information brokers for rogue Romulans who have decidedly Federation-unfriendly plans...

>>55188826
>I am still discovering that for myself, Commander Riker. Test me, and we will both find out together.
God DAMN I'm loving evil Data. He's right in that uncanny valley of Not Quite Human But Trying, but in a cold alien sense rather than an idealistic Pinocchio sense.

>>55188846
>Oh fuck, they built the 3 nacelle + spinal lance version.
Oh shit, I missed that. They're ready to shank some fools alright.

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>>55184299
Ferengi stopped being threatening right around "Guardian of Forever" where they chose to portray them as whip-wielding midgets high on caffeine. Shame, they could have been something.

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>>55188540
>Mirror universe Wesley

Alright guys, I gotta ask:

How bad is Wesley, really?

Because whenever I'm watching him, I fucking hate him. But most of my hate comes from seeing the transparent self-insert let's-have-him-doubt-himself-so-everyone-else-can-jack-him-off bullshit. But that's because I've heard people explain it to me; I went in knowing what and why he was.

So to somebody who didn't get the background info, who was just watching the show and here's this character in with the other characters: How bad is he? At least as terrible because there's no way not to figure the above out for yourself? Bland or awkward but not terrible? Bad but they can't all be winners?

>>55190745
Imagine if you rewrote half of TOS so that some teen boy saved the day instead of the actual main characters and he also had some transhuman destiny surrounding him and you have the worst Wesley episodes.

Anybody giving BSG Deadlock a look in? It's mechanics line up pretty well with Attack Wing (turn based, weapon arcs, maneuver arcs) and it's pretty good.

>>55190745
Even going in completely blind, Wesley is incredibly insufferable for meta reasons. He's an untrained high schooler who, while a prodigy, has zero formal education past grade school and has zero real-world experience, on a ship that's supposed to be captained and crewed by the absolute best and brightest of Starfleet. In spite of this, Wesley is often shown being smarter than the main characters, with multiple episodes written so that the main characters act stupider than they should in order to give Wesley an excuse to save the day. And on top of that the show tries giving Wesley moments where he comes up short on his dreams in a transparent attempt to generate sympathy, which is rendered irrelevant when you realize he's still a major character and he's still presented as a transhuman kid genius. Like who gives a shit that Wesley didn't get into Starfleet on his first try when he's still PILOTING THE FLAGSHIP OF STARFLEET, which a metric shit-ton of junior command officers would kill to do.

The only good Wesley episode was The First Duty because it's nothing but Wesley fucking up and getting yelled at by Picard, which was such sweet catharsis. Then they fucked it up with his last episdoe.

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>>55190745
As someone who was never really on board the hate train, having been too young for season 1 to make an impression, I'd rate him above Troi on average.

His general arc from season 2 onward is mostly just young officer learning how shit works in order to give parts of the audience an 'in' character, one who hasn't seen anywhere near the amount of shit others have. Most of the time he's just there. Sometimes he teams up with Geordie and Data and they do Science! which is fine. Occasionally he saves the ship but then everyone and their dog does at some point so that's not special. Some times he fucks up or learns a thing. There was that great time where he really fucked up and killed a guy at the academy. But really most of the time he's just there. Once they got him in a uniform he was fine.

His end though is fucking shite and Ron Moore is solely to blame for that; dude was just prototyping an older Jake Sisko on the wrong character, and brought back the shitty Traveller character which was rightly almost entirely ignored since the introduction. Grabbed the ball and ran it right into the wrong goal.

As an addendum; I think Harry Kim is the Wesley of Voyager, except that he was never fixed. He started out older which dodged a lot of wonder child accusations, but had all the same shit that people complain about Wesley having, yet more so.

>>55185602
At least it had a perfect ending episode though.

>>55190745
I only have a problem with him in first season.

So he fits in fine because I have a problem with almost everyone at some point in first season TNG.

>>55185602
Personally I'd add Eye of the Beholder to that list. But yeah, you've basically pinpointed the worthwhile episodes of season 7

>>55190745
I've been assuming that the worst of the Wesley episodes are really historical-fiction holo-novels. The adventures of the Enterprise-D really happened *without* him.

>>55191079
I've been thinking about it and replacing Wesley with Kim would've actually been perfect. Fresh out of the Academy, perfect test scores, zero practical experience, perfectly reasonable that he'd have the opportunity to shine by thinking of a solution to a problem that his superiors didn't, but still plenty of room for character growth. And TNG's writing from seasons 3-6 were leagues beyond Voyager so he wouldn't get lost in the shuffle like Harry actually did.

>>55188814
>mirror data chatting shit
I fucking love it.

>>55193109
Whoops, meant to reply to >>55188826

>>55188732
Mirror LaForge and Brahms a cute. Cute!

>>55192325
Would Kim not have grated against LaForge? Geordi was certainly a more mature officer with a greater breadth of experience, but the 2 can be compared pretty closely through their obvious social awkwardness and starting position within the crew as the young and inexperienced officer without a clear vocation.

You know, seeing as the last episode of Enterprise ended up somehow being about Riker and Troi, I really wish they had just taken the plunge and just shown them on the Titan. Obviously I'd much rather that the episode had rounded out the positive character developments of season 4, but faced with what we actually got, I feel like the minor change of setting would have been inconsequential to a production standpoint while also potentially benefiting the episode hugely.

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>>55195564
What did he mean by this?

>>55188897
I'm not big into ST but I really loved these. Can you post more?

>>55188897
I like that little nod to Total Recall.

>>55197184
It has clearly been too long since I watched that movie.

So do they explain Data's constant upgrades, or are we supposed to just assume about it?

Either way, it's awesome. I can see >>55188676 being right about
>Data grabbing it and handing it over to the borg in exchange of becoming a real boy
Mmmm. A fully-assimilated Galaxy-X with a mirror Locutus taking orders from Borg Data. I could deal with that REAL well.

>>55188919
And that entire battlegroup lasts all of twelve seconds under the guns of my Avenger.

>>55196854
Another anon posted earlier issue in last thread (you can get there via link to previous thread).
And before that one someone else storytimed the first issue.
Hell if i know which thread it was, but it has been done already.
Also, we are now on a point where the comic itself is, so nothing new till next issue comes out at some point.

>>55197857
In first issue it was established that Data had a bunch of borg tech he liked to play around with at times.

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>>55197857
You know, in STO you could get yourself an assimilated ship by grinding a reputation system called Omega force and then buy borg ship items form the store it would open.

The galaxy-X however can be found either as a tier 5 ship that costs you 25 Dollars or equivalent or as a tier 6 ship called Yamato class, for the humble price of 30.

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>>55199379
Gonna post more pics of borgified ships.

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>>55199393

Sisko is a war criminal. The reason they never show him in the mirror universe is really that if he existed there, he would have been a successful man of peace, thus eliminating any plots in the mirror universe though diplomacy.

>>55199323
Dug through the past three threads, couldn't find Issue 1. I'm assuming we could find this "ReadComicOnline" that's watermarked on several of the images, but I'm lazy.

>>55199379
I haven't bothered to grind Omega yet. I played through the summer event to get the carrier, but haven't fired it up since then. Again with the lazy.

>>55199435
He was in the first mirror episode, as a pirate captain. He gets killed off between that episode and the next, and mirror O'Brien kidnaps prime Sisko to make him pretend to be mirror Sisko so that the Terran Resistance can capture mirror DS9.

>>55199435
Not only is that literally not how the MU works, they did show Mirror Sisko, and he definitely wasn't a peacenik.

>>55199483
Issue 1 is available for free, part of Free Comic Day.

>>55199435
Poisoning terra nullius isn't a war crime.

I'm suprised STO hasn't made the mirror universe yet, it's a gold mine for micro-transactions and most of the content already exists. They just need to retexture a few things and write new dialogue for the existing missions, and Admiral Warkryme can go genocide for the Terran Empire.

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>>55201092
Actually, they kinda have.
We have at least one mission where we go to Mirror Bajor (which looks like some sorta space bordello or something).
As for MU ships, they have been around since first lockboxes.
In earlier lockboxes MU ships (both for Feddies and klinks) which would come with alternate hull materials, naming insignia (I.S.S. in stead of the U.S.S.) and alternate bridge layout (Mirror star cruiser having the outwards look of a Prime universe Assault cruiser and the internals of a Prime universe Star cruiser).
They never did add a mirror galaxy class, or akira, or Excelssior though.
And at one point they went and re-designed the MU ships to be white hull coloration (similar to later tier 5 and tier 6 ships in prime universe) but with red squigglies thrown on top of it as insignia.
This was explained off (not really but this is all we got) with mirror Leeta fucking around with the timeline and becoming a fleet commander, so it's likely that the new red marked ships are from her personal fleet.

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>>55201092
Or wait, you meant as in an alternate Feddie faction?
Mea culpa.

>>55201455
Yeah, whole new faction and storyline. If they wanted to half-ass it they could just copy the existing content and re-write it to be darker and edgier. People would still lap up that shit.

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>>55201505
Or they could make my main canon.
You know, by having a system similar to the TOS characters where first five or so missions and map are the mirror universe ones and then due to Mirror Leeta doing her temporal gymnastics, you end up becoming a renegade on the grounds of not being deleted from timeline and then Section 31 or something comes around, whisks you away and inserts you in the Federation as a "operative who knows how it's done" and that in exchange for helping the Section 31 do what is necessary for Federations survival (thus also giving a reason for all the war crimes we commit), they will do their best to give us a chance at avenging our deleted comrades and our exile from the empire.

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ITS BEEN A LONG ROAD

>>55202402
GETTIN FROM THERE TO HERE

>>55202418
I CAN'T STAND IT I KNOW YOU PLANNED IT

>>55202832
[Tense theme plays]

>>55202955
STANDING HERE

>>55203030


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ORp0T6zYByM

>>55203279
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fZjpsaU1Ew4

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Saw this in another thread, thought it was a cute take on the illustrated episode (the one where LaForge and Ro get phase-shifted out of reality).

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Here's my rough idea for a Bajoran built warship, using parts from the Impulse ship and fighter. Still have to make some changes but wanted to nail down an overall shape.

The body is the same size in both, just looking at different size nacelles. In terms of weapons it would have a few phaser cannons in the front and a number of phaser emitters scattered around the ship.

Suggestions? Should I try for a more blocky look like their triangle ships instead?

>>55204461
Nah, that looks pretty good actually. Reminder that the triangle freighter is a generic civilian vessel in the area, not explicitly a Bajoran design.

>>55201438
tfw Mirror Bajor will never be a social hub

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>>55204065
>Worf doesn't look different/animu at all

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>>55204643
Do you want anime klingons anon? Be wary what you ask for.

>>55192166
>All of TNG was some far future Wesley Crusher playing around in historical holodeck simulations
>The Enterprise finale was a holodeck inside a holodeck

I like it.

>>55199435
Mirror Universe isn't everyone is the opposite, it's just everyone is more evil. Good people become evil, evil people become megaevil.

It's also unclear whether it affects the whole universe, Earth is obviously different, Bajor also skews toward evil, and the Ferengi are the only people who seem actually positively affected. Cardassians and Klingons as far as we can tell are more or less identical in the mirror universe though?

>>55206062
> Ferengi are the only people who seem actually positively affected
How excactly ? I haven't seen the episodes but I would like to know

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>>55204461
And a cleaned up one.

>>55206062
Basedon STO, Romulans are either dead or ok or allied with the Empire.
Like, i got no clue what is going on in that front, all i know is that they were mentioned in some official fan fiction with Tiaru being a princess or something and mirror Hakeev being a duty officer you could get during one event.

>>55206203
We only really meet one MU Ferengi (Brunt?).

He was generous and kind

>>55206261
Quark, Rom and Nog all appeared and got killed in the mirror universe.

>>55206249
The Beta Mirror Romulans were barely functional because they spent more time backstabbing each other than actually doing shit to other species.

>>55206282
I stand corrected. Nog was an asshole.

>>55191079
The problem with Wesley was less Moore and more Roddenberry, who self-inserted into Wesley to an insane degree.

Hell, he gave Wil Wheaton his old Air Force rank insignias when Wesley was promoted.

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>>55206228
And had an idea for a Bajoran Dreadnought with a couple of spinal lance phasers.
It really is starting to look more like a Dominion Cruiser.

>>55204643
>filename

That's Korean Jesus, my dude.

>>55207361
>It really is starting to look more like a Dominion Cruiser.
That's because a Star Destroyer-style armored wedge with forward-facing weapons is the best warship design (so long as the decks are tower-style perpendicular to the direction of travel, and the bridge is buried under layers of protection)

>>55201455
>>55201555
But why red though?

>>55209156
I dunno.
My guess is Mirror Leeta just likes that color.

>>55209156
>>55209219
Because Pah-wraith?

>>55209156
>>55209219
>>55209450
I gues it could be that there are multiple factions within the Terran Empire vying for control. In the little tapes you get from Leeta from the Terran Empire rep tree, you learn that she's been fucking shit up for thee Empire's enemies in order to eventually replace the sitting Emperor. It stands to reason that some of the Terrans might not be happy about letting a non-Terran take control, seeing as that didn't work out great the last time.

>>55206062
O'Brien seemed much the same. Probably has a slightly higher spoonhead kill count. But only slightly.

>>55204461
The one with smaller nacelles looks better, I think. Have you any notion of a side profile for it?

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>>55211604
It was meant to be just a scaled up kitbash of this thing. So similar in most respects.

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>>55190567
Their ships are my second favorite design next to the Sheliak Corporate.

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>>55212286
Awful conventional ships for a bunch of rug monsters.

>>55212349
Fits for a colony ship, I liked the industrial bulkyness about them while inside there's nothing but a bunch of crystalshit.

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>>55212460

>>55212666
Add to that:
James Cromwell
J.G. Hetzer
Tony Todd

>>55212460
I would honestly keep Neelix but have the "I died and no afterlife" episode really change him. He realizes that faking happiness doesn't really make him happy and starts to become what he used to be: An Alien war veteran with PTSD. Make him be more serious and actually do things that are legit important.

Anyone got those charts with the recommended episodes to watch from each series?

>>55212774
>depressed, edgy, PTSD ridden, atheist space-Fedora Neelix
That's one of the worst things I've ever read on this site.

>>55212774
>depressed, edgy, PTSD ridden, atheist space-Fedora Neelix
That's one of the worst things I've ever read on this site.

>>55212774
Your idea for Neelix is shit. It is bad and you should feel bad. In a ship full of fedoras you want to add another fedora? For what purpose?

>>55217933
Chakoogles, Tuvok, Seven, and Belanna weren't fedora, nor were any of the Bajorans (probably).

>>55217994
>Belanna
>not fedora

REEEEEEEEEEEE REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE MOM MADE ME GO TO KLIGNON SUNDAY SCHOOL I HATE ALL THINGS KLINGON REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>55218080
She converts to Klingon faith with the one where she goes to Hell and the one where her kid is Klingon Jesus.

>>55218102

Just when you think VOY can't get any worse, they feel the need to ruin Klingons with a messiah figure.

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>>55217933
>>55217994
>being unhappy about the facts of your life makes you edgy.

Gene... lay off the Utopianism.

>>55218195
Kahless was already their Arthur Christ.

>>55218202

One man's utopia is another man's waking nightmare.

>>55218230

Which they should have left as the brutal tyrant from "Savage Curtain" rather than make him some noble dindoo like Worf. The Klingons are at their best when they're backstabbing hypocrites.

>>55212666
Human Be'lanna is best Be'lanna

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>>55212666
>Sheliak
Its "Tuvix" not "Twix"

Anyone here interested in photos of the actual Star Trek Adventures Bridge Crew models?
Just received my CE and the TOS and TNG Bridge Crews.

>>55220664
Well?
Post em if you got em!

>>55220804
will do. Give me a little while.

>>55213209
I got em. Will post em when I'm home.

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>>55220804
Here's the TOS Crew

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>>55220804
And here's the TNG Crew

>>55221123
>>55221176
If anyone wants a close-up of a particular model, just shout. They're large individual pictures, so I can post a single if needed.

>>55221234
Make a close up of whichever ones have the stupidest looking faces so we can make reaction images of them.

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>>55221297
Speaking of memes, here's an exploitable for anyone who wants to use it.

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>>55221387
Here's mine.

>>55221123
>>55221176
they look good, overpriced but good sculpts at least. it's 28mm?

>>55221597
32mm according to the box.

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>>55221297
this is probably the silliest one.

>>55223314
It looks like he's breaking into a Broadway musical or something.

>>55223979
You. I fucking love you.

>>55223975
either that or a dance number, but not running while on the comms, which is what he's supposed to be doing.

>>55223975
HELLO MY BABY HELLO MY HONEY

>>55221123
>>55221176
any word on a DS9 or voyager crew? i'd be all over that

>>55224478
Not yet, but I do believe they've said that those would be coming at a later date.

Is there any word on when/if Adventures is going to get released to retailers? I'm loathed to pay £45 for it online, when I suspect my FLAGS may do it cheaper.

>>55225205
I talked to my local store about it. Apparently, Modiphus has some issues with getting product out to smaller shops. I wouldn't hold your breath, anon. I also recommend talking to your FLGS about if they even get Modiphus products to begin with, since they're a smaller publisher and all.

>>55225205
Everything ships out next week iirc. Whether or not your FLGS is going to have a copy depends on whether they signed up for it I believe.

>>55225374
>>55225370
that's pretty lame, it is indeed part of being a smaller company but with such large IPs like fallout and star trek you'd think it would be a bit more readily available

>16. Will you be making ship miniatures?
>No, there are already some great official Star Trek ships available like Star Trek: Attack Wing
>4. Can I play a Klingon or other non-Starfleet characters
>The core rulebook will focus on playing human and alien Starfleet characters There will be supplements that introduce other playable character races including Klingons.

along with an $80 rulebook this game has got me scratching my head. maybe if i knew a bunch of trek fans that wanted to play a ttrpg. the trek themed character sheets are cool


this was funny though
> It does not include the new reimagined films by JJ Abrams.

>>55226651
The PDF version is worth it I'd say. Comes with a printer friendly version, can just selectively print the rules bits I guess or take it to whatever print shop will charge you less than the fancy hardback does to get printed.

>>55218268
>>55218202
Why am I surprised that /tg/ is shit at Star Trek?

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>>55227547

You can start your own Trek thread here!: >>>/trash/

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>>55216114
>>55217933
>>>>samefagging this hard

just finished Voyager. I liked it, some parts were bad but the Doctor, Paris and Tuvok made the show watchable and at times great.

Should i move on to Enterprise now?

>>55227947

If you want. The first two seasons are rough, but have some occasionally entertaining bits. Season three is... a change of pace, but you'll either like it or dislike it. Either way, it changes up the formula.

Season four has some glimmer of a possibility of being good, but it was too little, too late to save ENT.

>>55227947
It's complete sh- Wait, you liked Voyager. Then it's pretty good.

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>>55227947
Absolutely. You'll probably enjoy it more. Although you'll see many of the same issues that Voyager had in the 1st 2 seasons. 3 and 4 are much more robust. On your first viewing, as with Voyager, I would recommend watching the whole thing in linear order, even the truly terrible episodes.

Which totally reminds me; >>55213209 here's the viewing guides. I got a little side tracked tormenting Crewman Murray and I forgot.

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>>55228088

>>55228050
>>55227947

If you watch Dear Doctor you can come and be really angry with the rest of us whenever it is mentioned.
Seriously, fuck that episode.

Also you can come and lament that the series died just as it was finally getting its shit together after a change at the helm too.

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>>55228149

Voyager ending at threshold cracks me up every time.

>>55228148
what's wrong with it?

>>55229494
It's the trolley problem, except the non-interference path has billions of people tied on it and the interference path has an abstract ideal tied on it.

>>55229530
that's lame as fuck, how many times has that happened in TNG with "muh prime directive"

ill come shitpost about it when i get to that episode! starting Enterprise now

>>55230322
It's worse than any of the TNG or Voyager mistakes with Prime Directive stories because there basically isn't any excuse.

There's no directive in place for a start. The culture also would pass any checks in other shows since though they're pre-warp, they've already met two other warp-drive using alien races and they specifically asked for help too. And it's not as if the Enterprise and crew fail at trying to help either. Just at the end of the episode, the writer decided to try and make a point that they really, really did not think through.

Rest of the episode is actually quite good by Enterprise standards too which makes it even more aggravating.

>>55230322
>>55230448

This.

The rundown is:

>species has already been contacted by warp civs
>they specifically ask for help with a genetic disease that will lead to their extinction
>species however has a related subspecies which is on the verge of an "evolutionary breakthrough" that might not happen if main species continues to exist
>cure is successfully created
>cure is withheld, because raisins
>"here's a drug to help with the symptoms though!"
>maybe one there will be a directive for situations like this

They should have just given them the cure, if for no other reason than so that the Klingons don't do it and uplift them with warp tech and use them against Earth/Vulcan.

>>55230448
>>55230848

One thing that bothered me about it - and I admit that maybe it's just me not having paid enough attention or lacking some kind of context - is that it seems like Phlox just makes the cure on his fucking lunch break or something. I remember an exchange that Archer has with Phlox about how the Dindunobulans managed to master genetic engineering without making themselves into a race of Khans, but I think that's in an episode that came after and Enterprise isn't really a series where you can bank on that kind of fact dropping carrying over or being considered.

So, some thoughts from running a combat heavy game of Star Trek: Adventures

>The system not being geared for heavy combat shows a little bit, but fights are still fast paced. I've ended up treating most NPCs on both sides as "if they get hit, they go down" and reserving Stress for important NPCs and PCs, which gives the feel of lots of redshirts dying offscreen.

>When the players inevitably wanted to use the TR-116 rifle from that one episode of DS9, I decided it had the same stats as a type 3 phaser and functions where phasers don't work like damping fields, but can't be set to nonlethal or wide burst modes.

>My players have abused phaser overloads as grenade substitutes so heavily that I've decided that the act of overloading a phaser adds 1 to Threat automatically.

>>55232150
Phasers and disruptors on overload could cause a hell of a lot of damage. I'd think they'd be just as threatening as purpose built grenades.

>>55228050
>>55228088
>>55228116
>>55228149
>>55228174

Anon who asked about the charts. Thank you very much!

>TOS era game, GM is the Captain of a small light cruiser he made up for game
>Crew consists of Andorian Science officer (me), Tellarite Engineer officer, Human Tactical officer and a Human Xenobiologist
>Warp in over planet that just got warp tech despite apparently being several decades to early
>First contact was bad, Tellarite was gruff and rude as usual but apparently went a hair too far with these rubber-foreheaded assholes
>They pull a Klingon Disruptor out and shoots
>"Well fuck all, we know what the fuck is up now."
>Beam up to the ship and order the aliens to back down or else
>They refuse and start to move in right at us
>Fire one photon torpedo at the capital city and warp out.
Pretty bad first game imho

>>55233097
The GM controlling the Captain or Commanding Officer doesn't sit well with me in the first place. That should have been warning flag #1. Regardless, blowing up the Capital isn't very Federation at all, even in Kirk's time.

>>55233119
Seconding both of these points.

>>55233119
That would have been the tactical officer. Not sure he wanted to play the game in the first place (he wanted Pathfinder). Everyone else was excited for the most part and we decided to have the GM captain so the players weren't arguing for an entire night over who gets to be captain.

>>55233210
Is this an IRL group? Or one that more or less rage-formed on roll20 without any sort of application process?

>>55233239
IRL. We just had a party wipe playing a Star Wars Edge of Empire game and we wanted to do one more sci-fi game before jumping back into fantasy.

>>55233292
I'd say the problem is with your fellow IRL players then. You didn't get the benefit of screening people and selecting a party based on the roles they wanted to play. So, as a result, you got the crap shoot you described. We'd need more information to christen the Tactical Officer as a That Guy though.

>>55233119
I think it works well if the Captain uses the crew as a sounding board for their ideas, rather than the GM just telling the crew what to do. I've had bad luck with PCs as captains, since they think they're playing in the Mirror Universe more often than not.

>>55232377
So, Threat 2 then?

Idk if you're familiar, but Threat in ST:A is basically a way to quantify and stat dramatic tension.

>>55233097
Nuking the site from orbit is absolutely not the Federation way and if I were you I'd go to the Captain and demand he court-martial the tactical officer.

>>55233347
Normally he's not but he's had the itch for Pathfinder for a while now. Not sure why. This is a group I've been with for some time (few years now). GM says he's going to have a talk with the guy so hopefully next session goes better.

>>55233097
>>55233210

GMPC or just the GM controlling the captain who is an NPC? The first one is not a good thing, the second is just part and parcel with the myriad of problems Trek RPGs have.

That being said, the tactical officer needs to be court-martialed. He used what amounts to a WMD on a civilian population. I doubt even the TOS Federation has the death penalty, but he's going to prison for a long ass time.

The player of aforementioned tac officer needs to either suck it up and find a way to have fun with this, or just not show up for a game he isn't having fun with. Ruining everyone else's fun is poor sportsmanship at the very least, and That Guy behavior in general.

>>55233642
Yeah, we're probably going to have him court-martialed and have him roll up a new character. Hopefully they are willing to suck it up and play on.

>>55233382
>demand he court-martial the tactical officer
He would have been sent to the planet to face their justice. The captain would be court-martialed for letting it happen, and probably relieved of command (and even discharged) if it was found there was any way of preventing it (ie, it wasn't some ridiculous plot with the officer overriding all security and passcodes, etc.).

>>55228050
>Twilight
>E-squared
>Shuttlepod One
>not Great

>Storm Front
>Good
>not just being rated TIME along with Shockwave

>>55235887
>>Storm Front
>>Good
>>not just being rated TIME along with Shockwave
Alien Nazis and the end of that stupid time war storyline, what's not to like?

>>55199286
GET OUT

>>55233097
>Pretty bad first game imho

Pretty bad GM and players is more like it.

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>>55233097
Someone in there clearly didn't get how star trek works and applied standard murderhobo logic instead.

>>55223979
>>55222621
>>55224541
These gave me a hearty chuckle.

>>55237288
That thing looks awful, like an incompetent chinese knockoff of the connie. Just everything is wrong

>>55241646
Being the borderline autist that I am, this thing is pure bonerfuel...
tower decks and radial symmetry FTW

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>>55228088
>Move along Home
>Bad

>>55241646
I really wish this was the style the Feds used. Sphere and cylinder rather a pie plate on a gooseneck.

>>55242813
Why? It looks like a butt plug. Do you really want the Federation to fly around in butt plugs large enough to give the Planet Killer pause?

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>>55242857
Personally, I prefer space dildos over buttplugs. But I will also take bananas.

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>>55242857

It's because of things like thrust acceleration creating "gravity" down toward vertical decks, like how a real space vessel would need to be designed.

In Trek this isn't super important because of the (quite frankly) magical inertial dampening system, and the artificial gravity plating under the decks.

>>55243454
I like the stacked decks for some of them, I just don't like them having the warp coil inside the main body.

I wonder if someone will make a trek mod like this for Children of a Dead Earth?

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>>55243619

>warp coils in the body

I don't recall seeing any that did this, but that would bother me as well. Nacelles really are a feature of the setting, and while you can play around with their geometry a little bit, if you lose them entirely, it stops feeling like a Trek starship.

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>>55243698
And yet we have a ton of examples with the warp field coils tucked away in the body or wings rather than nacelles.

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>>55243698
>I don't recall seeing any that did this

>>55243732

Those humps on the back ARE the nacelles though.

>>55243743

Does it have a name? Which class.

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>>55243743
Little Nell I


Here is Little Nell II
Decks 16 through 24
WN = Warp Nacelle

>>55243814

Okay. I see now. There's like three, the Nell, the Powhatan, and the Archer/Curran, which look like they were an older design that eventually dead ends because twin nacelle designs are more efficient, and M/AM reactors become more common.

I'm not sure I like it, but it's an interesting setting detail.

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>>55243766
>>55243814

>>55243698
That ship there, the Tannhäuser-Class Heavy Cruiser, the bulb at the back is the main warp nacelle.
It doesn't show details on the two outboard nacelles so they could be secondaries, weapon pods, or just there for the bussard collectors.

>>55243917
They're for improved manoeuvrability. It's in the ship's fluff and is a concept used in a couple more places over time.

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>>55243917

My first thought was that Starfleet doesn't initially trust only having two nacelles, and opts for a traditional one plus the newer design.

It could also be that outboard nacelles are not powerful or efficient enough yet to be used on their own.

>>55244009

And there's this. Which is a notion mentioned in semi-canonical sources like the TNG Tech Manual.

I have a suspicion (that's not terribly supported by canon material, unfortunately) that triple nacelled ships are able to maintain higher warp for longer because they have an additional nacelle to take some of the load.

I get what they're going for, and while I can't say I'm super thrilled by it, I can see my way to accepting it as a design lineage that you'd only see in really early post-warp civs that are still figuring out how warp drive works best.

>>55244073
>that's not terribly supported by canon material, unfortunately
It's kinda supported, as four nacelled ships like the Constellation are noted to be able to sustain warp over their cruising speeds for longer than other, two nacelled, ships. Nothing about three nacelles though (in fact, do we even have a canon on-screen example of a three nacelled ship?).

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>>55244202

The Ent-D refit from "All Good Things" is one. Granted, it's an "alternate timeline" but we still got to see it on screen, so I'd say it counts.

>>55244202
Niagara class and Galaxy X are the only ones that spring to mind.

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>>55244073
>>55244009

Specifically:

>When the first matter/antimatter (M/AM) starship reactors were finally certified in March 2157, several classes of fusion-powered ships had already been designed to use them. The first class to appear, in April 2157, was the Krechet class, developed from the fusion-powered Amarillo class. Derivatives of Bison-class hulls soon followed. The first was the Tannhäuser-class heavy cruisers (CHM-55), which entered service only one month after Krechet.

>The Tannhäuser cruisers were essentially lengthened Pioneer-class ships adapted to use the new SSWR-III-A reactor, which had been designed for ships with displacements greater than 300,000 tons. As with Krechet, the smaller amount of deuterium that needed to be carried allowed a larger payload, including both offensive and defensive weaponry and more powerful sensors and deflectors. An unusual feature of Tannhäuser was the extreme forward placement of the directional nacelles in a "hammerhead" arrangement, which was done in an attempt to increase maneuverability at warp speeds.

>>55244270
>>55244255
The Galaxy X being alt-universe disqualifies it, but the Niagara is totally legit and we do see that on screen. Clearly, Starfleet has explored the idea at least a little. Wonder why they didn't pursue it further? Presumably, it has some technical issue that isn't easily resolved or it doesn't add enough to be worth the extra effort/material expense to produce.

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>>55244344
>somehow more hideous than the Daedalus
Both this monstrosity and the Daedalus should keep the forward hull in line with the secondary hull and mount the navigational deflector on the same frame but opposite the nacelles to balance mass around the spine of the ship...maybe have the shuttlebay/cargo hangars around the "neck" and put the primary impulse engines at the very aft?
Kinda like the Medusan ship from TOS, but with a blister for the deflector dish where the glowing blue bit is and skyscraper-style decks...

>>55244504
Twice the power draw and four times the maintenance work for a marginal increase in efficiency probably killed the idea. But, if you've hit a wall in warp theory you can't get past with bigger/better nacelles, adding more is a sensible move.

>>55244650
Or if you're kitbashing outdated tech into a spaceworthy frame to try to save some money or recycle mothballed ships, it's a decent way to get them on a par especially with modern reactors.

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>>55244504
>>55244650

The reasoning on the Wasp is that it had to make-do with 3 to reach design requirements when it was supposed to have 2, but design and production delays for the new engines meant that they had to go with 3 lesser nacelles and only got refit to their original intended form (and a performance boost out of it) later on.

>>55244511
>somehow far less hideous than the Daedalus to the point of it being a respectable design.

Fixed that for you.

>>55244504
>The Galaxy X being alt-universe disqualifies it, but the Niagara is totally legit and we do see that on screen. Clearly, Starfleet has explored the idea at least a little. Wonder why they didn't pursue it further? Presumably, it has some technical issue that isn't easily resolved or it doesn't add enough to be worth the extra effort/material expense to produce.

Real-world warships almost never use triple-screws because running a shaft *through* the keel instead of two/four shafts *around* it wrecks the structural integrity of the hull and needs a lot of heavy bracing to counteract. Maybe it's something similar?

Mounting a nacelle on the center-line requires more structural ingenuity than it's worth? There might be some right-hand-rule torque fuckery with warp coils that mean they have to be balanced in pairs unless you're willing to accept the mass penalty of a massive nacelle block.

It's probably easier to just build a slightly bigger warp coil than it is to rig a third nacelle onto a ship. IIRC all the three-nacelle ships are kitbashes off another class, so the designers might've been "locked in" to a basic hull-form and had to kinda force things to go faster.

>>55244951
Better, but still just a tad disproportional-needs a bigger secondary hull with a dark "neck" where it attaches to the primary section and a "pod" where the third nacelle used to mount...a more modern version could have a narrower but longer egg-shaped forward hull, with the deflector moved to the "pod" and a fuckton of DAKKA where it used to be at the very top...

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>>55245486
Technically the Niagara isn't really a kitbash, but close enough. It's got a different saucer layout to it's Ambassador looks, more oval. Ugly fucker though. Probably would look better with stylistically fitting (not the Galaxy style) nacelles though.

Either way, my take on it (one of these days I'll end up writing a article with pictures and shit I swear) is that 3 nacelles is just difficult to balance. Like the Wasp type could get away with maybe just turning a nacelle off now and again to alternate pairs, but the asymmetric canon designs wouldn't really work that way. But it gives an advantage.

That advantage I think is part of balancing tonnage and power. Starships ain't immune to the demands of needing to move bulk around in star trek.
Single nacelle works and is tonnage-efficient but is gonna have worse turning and duration than a pair. 3 nacelle layout isn't gonna have the turning problem and nets a speed boost, but asymmetric layouts lack the switching pairs cruising duration boost of 4 nacelles. But 4 is a lot of tonnage for a duration boost so is mostly seen on cruisers (in canon, ignoring the really big stuff for now).

Another big thing is that 3 is mainly seen on dreadnoughts, from the Federation onward. I think it serves as a middle ground before going to a full quad-layout (requiring even more tonnage) to keep peak performance with the extra bulk. The old Federation uses 3 of the same nacelles as the Constitution to move a much heftier ship, but is outclassed/supplanted by the Excelsior with it's heug engines. The Galaxy-X uses a third, but is shifting a lot more bulk than the original Galaxy and needs to be able to keep up with the modern ships of the time. Niagara is like a combat-focused Ambassador. But mounting 4 of the equivalent nacelles on any of those would just add too much mass to the design. So they go with 3, accept the harder to balance warp field in exchange for a beefier ship. Until better engines/ships come along.

>>55245948
There seems to be about one three-engined ship per generation, which makes me think the layout has some merit, just not enough to offset its flaws. It's like how the "Speed is armor" meme keeps resurfacing through the decades.

Someone has this idea, it seems good on paper, then after a trial it turns out to suck. It's quietly sidelined while everyone goes back to the tried-and tested method. The, after everyone involved with the original boondoggle has died/retired, a new crop of engineers dust if off and think "Hey, this didn't work the last X times we tried but with modern tech *it can totally work!*"

Repeat ad nauseum.

>>55246154

Either that, or they fulfill an especially niche role that's useful, but doesn't need to be built in large numbers.

Sisko is a war criminal.

>>55245948
Mostly triple nacelled ships seem to have that third nacelle to either (A) give the ship a short turbo, or (B) like the Galaxy X, an extra power source for some fuckhuge cannon, despite warp nacelles not working that way since Franz Joseph's manual was rendered noncanon.

>55246182
Eddington please go back to theatre school and stop jerking off about Les Miserables.

>>55246182
How can he be a war criminal if there was no war?

>>55246197
FWIW the writers justified it by saying each nacelle doubles up on warp coils, so the number of coils is still even.

>>55246267

Source? Which writers? Genuinely interested.

If it's from some novel I'll be extremely disappointed anon.

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>>55246182
You're dead Eddington and I don't feel a thing.

>>55230848
Yeah I'm generally not into the feds being so fucking vulcan they just ignore this shit. They absolutely should've come back as Klingon uplifted antagonists.

>>55231245
I kind of like that hook for the Denoubians. It'd explain why they're so conservative about their medical knowledge, they know how quickly other species go psycho with augments.

>>55233642
TOS absolutely has the death penalty, they threatened Spock with it in Menagerie during his Court Marshal.

>>55246760
But it was there for only 1 reason only.

>>55246154
I could see a triple-nacelle'd slightly fatter Excelsior (like the Ent-B) filling in for battleship duties before the Ambassador generation comes along.

>>55233642
>I doubt even the TOS Federation has the death penalty
It's mentioned in that episode where they recut the pilot episode as ancient history, and I think someone on DS9 admitted they had the death penalty for treason and a few other things when alien Mulder and Scully got on board. At least I think that was DS9.

It's worth noting, of course, that having it on the books is different from actually using it.

>>55246741
>Yeah I'm generally not into the feds being so fucking vulcan they just ignore this shit. They absolutely should've come back as Klingon uplifted antagonists.
I think the problem was that the episode was trying to be deep, and thus forgot to be an episode. Trek in general suffers from a lot of one-offness just because X exists only to wank about free will or something.

The Andorians and Shran actually mattering and showing up repeatedly was one of ENT's best parts, specifically because it wasn't a metaphor for race relations or some shit, it was just Archer getting cool with a guy the Vulcans just could not fucking deal with.

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>>55247109

>death penalty in Menagerie

I had forgotten about that.

>having it on the books doesn't mean anyone will actually use

That's a fair point.

I think it's doubtful that the Federation would seek the death penalty for anything short of another WW3/Eugenics War. That being said, were I the GM of that particular RP story, I'd make it plain that the tac officer who fired that warhead is going away for life.

And the captain will probably never command a ship ever again, even if he didn't actually do anything wrong. It shouldn't have happened, and examples have to be made.

>space oppenheimer
>space mengele
>space unit 731
Voyager had really good atrocity eps.

Would writing a novel about a science vessel that just goes about doing mundane shit on the (safe) borders of Federation space be okay or would it be just a little "too much". I kinda want to do something like that one DS9 episode where Bashir is all worried because the one woman who bested him at the Academy (he let her get the #1 spot mind you) is on the station and he worries he would just bore her or some shit because she been off gallivanting around space while he's been on the station. After talking with her though he finds out she was just bored out of her mind most of the time and was excited when they would find even single-celled life on a planet because it gave her something to do to break the monotony.

>>55247495
A novel about mundane shit would have very little external drama, and therefore any plot would involve primarily internal drama. It could get pretty soap opera-y if you're not careful, plus as much as some people hate it one of Gene's big rules was a lack of internal conflict among the crew because they're more professional than that.

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>Captain Jean-Luc Picard will stop at nothing to get his hands on the Empire's newest warship, the ISS Enterprise, be it lies, deception... or murder. With enemies and allies around every corner, Picard's quest to help the Enterprise and restore the Empire to glory will not be an easy one. Good thing he has a crew onboard who will also stop at nothing to ensure total victory – at any cost.

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>>55247641
>Captain Jean-Luc Picard is determined to get his hands on the Terran Empire's new secret weapon, the Galaxy-class warship known as Enterprise, by any means necessary. Unfortunately, one obstacle stands in his way-and his name is William T. Riker!

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>>55247688
>The heist is on! Jean-Luc Picard and his cadre of mutineers set their plan into action, with the spoils the greatest prize of all: the Empire's only Galaxy-class starship, the ISS Enterprise!

>>55247655
Mirror Universe Picard would be the most OP motherfucker.
This is a man who got stabbed through the chest and laughed at death, how do you top that with an"evil" version?

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>>55247699
>the riker maneuver can mean different things

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>>55247731
>The Enterprise-D is finally under the command of Jean-Luc Picard, and he's on the hunt for enemy warships, looking to strike back for Earth! But Picard's crew will find themselves under attack from both sides, as the Empire will stop at nothing to regain its secret weapon!

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I've honestly never liked how the mirror universe feds were basically just portrayed as Klingons without the crap on their face and even less scruples. That's always seemed sort of weak.

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>>55247773
>The Enterprise-D is finally under the command of Jean-Luc Picard, and he's on the hunt for enemy warships, looking to strike back for Earth! But Picard's crew will find themselves under attack from both sides, as the Empire will stop at nothing to regain its secret weapon!

>>55244255
>Cool underside canon main gun
>Stupid looking third nacelle

This design has always made me conflicted.

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>>55247760
To be fair, "evil" versions, Klingons, and the Federation itself have all always been pretty weak.

>>55247627
Why post two dozen title pages? No story time?

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>>55247867
Soon.jpg

>>55247760
There is zero legitimate reason that MU broccoli wouldn't be the god-king emperor of all humans.

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How Barclay came to be...

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Clearly shooting first was enough to keep the Stargazer from getting wrecked by Ferengi.

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>>55247704
MU Picard isn't evil, just grimdark in the same vein as the best of WH40K: instead of speeches about decency, he inspires his crew to fight for glorious Terra so that their children might live to see a Galaxy under the glorious Imperium's iron fist.
He holds the line against the vile traitor and foul xeno, backed by utter faith in the superiority of humanity's bitching goatees and awesome tits.

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>>55248078
Ah, that explains the arms.

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>>55248104
So that's why Barclay is a tac officer.

>>55248104
Fuck you, Yar. You deserved to die, in every universe. The only thing you had going for you is that your hair made you pretty hot, but beyond that, you can go fucking die.

>>55248178
(Dude, your nerd edge is showing, XYZ)

I caught the one where they take over the enterprise, and this one. Have I missed any storytime?

>>55248242
I honestly just dislike Crosby's acting and the character in general. Crosby does better when she's not playing Yar. Sela is much better as a character and I feel like she was better acted as well.

I will absolutely acknowledge that Season 1 Yar is pretty hot though. I still don't want much to do with her and maintain that the show would have been better without her, but I can still acknowledge a good lookin lady when I see one.

Why is everyone so jacked in the Mirror universe?

Any novels cover the First Contact to ENT era?

>>55248392
Stay in shape and you might stand a chance when you have to fight off someone trying to shank you.

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>>55248310
Even Sela is pretty crap to be honest.

Ain't got shit on Tomalak.

>>55248553
Well no kidding. Tomalak is a fucking hero and deserved a lot more screen time than he got.

>>55248600
Well when you get the the chance to be motherfucking G'kar, you're gonna leap all over that shit.

>>55248663
>whynotboth.png

>>55248600
>>55248553

I am so glad that guy at least got to be not just a main, important character, but outright series-defining character over on Babylon 5.

Next thread when ?

>>55248691
Daily reminder the Centauri did nothing wrong.

>>55250357
This reminder is nowhere near daily.

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>>55248178
I bet you would love STO then.
>In STO Yar is sent to a Romulan prison colony
>Colony is abandoned by its guards when Hobus happens
>As years pass Yar and her fellow survivors fall to attrition as local wildlife and temporal anomalies take their toll

>>55250392
Wait, that's Yar and not Selar?

>>55250404
Yup.
Sela lives on and ends up discovering that her mother died on a far off planet leaving some last "I love you" message behind for her to find

>>55248392
Imperial Starfleet is basically a high-security Hollywood prison. Work out, do your crappy job, join a gang, and maybe you'll survive.

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MU stories seem to either be p. good, or pure garbage. Story time here is good stuff, but most of the /lit/ stuff is crap. Sometimes they are good yarns, but mostly just too much sex and edge.
>half the characters are sex slaves at one point
>half the named characters die horrible (though deserved) deaths
>empire is scared of telepaths, exterminatus Betazed
>all that's left of Betazoids is a brothel run by Lwaxana
>vulcans somehow kept their telepathy under wraps the whole time
>fall of the empire is some just as keikakku'd 6d chess game by Spock to make the empire great again
>donut steel novelverse characters get their own retarded plot line
This comic timeline is a lot more sensible desu.

>>55250782
>empire is scared of telepaths, exterminatus Betazed
Makes complete sense.
>>all that's left of Betazoids is a brothel run by Lwaxana
>>vulcans somehow kept their telepathy under wraps the whole time
Are shit.