MTG: Legacy General

Selling/Buying to convert my decks over is taking forever. I already have the LEDs should I just eat the 200 and build dredge until landstill is done?

>>55171160
What is the best way to build up to grixis delver? Are there viable stepping stone decks along the way (like burn into ur delver into grixis)?

>>55172263
not really, almost the entirety of the cost is in fetches/duals/forces, which are really necessary for breaking into legacy to begin with. If anything, delver is the stepping stone because the rest of the deck is dirt cheap but you still get to acquire forces and duals

>>55171318

Me, I'd try building a spicy jank pile, and try and win the store credit for cards. I've been surprised with what I've managed to win with.

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>tfw too poor to get into Legacy
>tfw no one to even play Legacy with
>tfw still lurk these threads almost every day

>>55171160
>"are now"
lol what

>>55173618
What did he mean by this?

>>55173116
Well my spicy jank pile was on the chopping block and is getting sold off with some other stuff to build standstill. Its just taking forever because i am using a few regional facebook groups to sell

>>55173116
I should add, the LEDs are in my current only complete pile, oops all spells with a charbelcher sideboard plan

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>>55171160
Can I get some feedback on this deck? Looking to casually play with friends running sword forge mystic 5 swords deck and a birthing pod deck without getting stomped.

>>55173602
I know that feel. I grew up poor and couldn't go to events.

Now events in my general area happen but I'm too poor to finish off decks the way I'd like (goddamn Flusterstorm for instance is expensive as shit) and my only nearby playgroup is made up of filthy casuals who are even bigger poorfags.

I'll bet you check out streamed tournaments too - what decks would do you think you'd try main given the choice?

>>55174778
Ditch the fast mana stuff like Geosurge, Rite of Flame and Seething Song.

Replace those with Monastery Swiftspear, Harsh Mentor and Soul-Scar Mage.

Also get Price of Progress, Chain Lightning and Fireblast.

>>55173602
>tfw even though I can afford Legacy nobody else can
Why even bother? I just want to play a fun competitive format.

Theres nothing to talk about because this format fucking sucks

>>55175559
Ah poorfags. Go and stay go.

>>55174891
Thanks for the advice, Im still workshopping it heavily so Im glad I asked now.

Friendly reminder that namefags are killing this general.

>>55176601
Stop using my name please and we actually use names like moot intended so I don't see the problem.

>>55176638
Lol

Nice pick OP. I just ordered blood moon.

>>55175666
Lol nah i have an EDH deck worth like $2000 and several Modern decks and a Standard deck. I still wouldnt ever play Legacy because its the worst MTG format.

>>55172263
If you work on aqurining the Volcs and Forces first you can play UR Delver pretty cheap

Ordered German FBB Mountains for Burn, but I'm open to other non-foil options as well. No Beta, Arabian Nights or unsets.

>>55177147
>i have an EDH deck worth like $2000
Good for you, that still pretty much makes you a poorfag by legacy standards. Pretty much any tier one blue deck is going to cost a lot more than that.

>>55172263
Chinamen fakes

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>>55176601
>>55176638
>>55176648
WHICH ONE DO I SHOOT?! TELL ME SOMETHING ONLY THE REAL DDFT WOULD KNOW!

>>55174600

All Spells is great for winning some creds. That's what got me into Legacy, really; shame I'm not doing any better with AnT, but what can you do? Bad player, hostile meta, etc.

>>55173602

Turn that frown upside down! There are proxy events at a lot of places; any chance you've got one near you?

>>55177147

Obvious troll is obvious. Ours is the only format in which aggro and/or two decks isn't half the format. Also,

>several Modern decks and a Standard deck

>>55176937

Did you get it for 20 cents? :D

>>55178017
Something the real DDFT would know? Doomsday is worse than other storm variants right now.

>>55178142
>Doomsday is worse than other storm variants right now.
Even SI?

>>55178176
Eh probably not. One of my teammates likes to play SI and I think it's a bit better than he sometimes makes it look (he just doesn't have the reps needed) but it is probably the worst of the storm variants right now.

>>55178101
I prefer formats where creatures are viable and most games are won through combat. The combat step is the step for me.

>>55179244
You're in luck then. Most of the popular legacy decks win primarly via the combat step. Delver variants, DnT, stoneblade, Czech pile, all of them use the combat step.

>>55179244
>>55179488
And if you want to go deeper, elves, red stompy, eldrazi, nic fit, 4c loam, maverick, and dead guy ale also all use the combat step. If you want to get technical, dark depths, SnT, and infect use the combat step too! You'd love this format!

>>55177617
Sound's like a tragically slow but viable plan.

>>55179244

Seconding what the others said. You'd be surprised: Legacy really isn't like what the "BAAAAAH—ROHKEN, Huehuehue" crew at Wizzerds would have you believe.

The funny thing is that that's what I thought it would be when I jumped into the format, and I was wrong.

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>>55179244
>>55180488
Yeah, it's kinda funny that Legacy gets that rap. Sure, you can occasionally die to Storm, Reanimator, or [insert random combo deck] having the nuts on turn one, but that isn't the norm. The most successful (and popular) decks in the format are by in large fair, blue, and creature based. Some of us are just masochists that like playing janky combo and/or non-blue decks, and this is the format where your dreams can be memes.

>>55180713
At the tournament I went to last weekend I didn't get a single kill before turn 3. I stormed off for goblins on t2 one time but didn't actually win with them until t5 or 6

>>55180713

The funny thing to me is when people die to aggro-control in Modern on turn 4 and they make the same complaints, only they die to bad cards with easy workarounds.

Or when they die to combo decks on turn 6 in Legacy, then quit the format because they didn't win in spite of their Forces.

>>55173602
same

also really want to build parfait now

>>55174778
vexing devils aren't as good as you might think but then again it's casual so nevermind

Where is the best place to buy FBB?
I tried ordering some off abugames and was sent regular white bordered ones

>>55181920
isn't there a facebook group that deals in high price magic card trading/buying? I don't know, I only buy fakes

>>55181860
I had the engine already and got the rest of the cards cheap. Enjoying the deck alot. Im playing a w/u/r parfait.

>>55181190
>Or when they die to combo decks on turn 6 in Legacy, then quit the format because they didn't win in spite of their Forces.

Good. We need fewer of these salty shitters, better they sell out to someone that understands and enjoys the format.

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>>55181860

>>55183587
I should really take an updated picture of this deck. The lack of Solitary Confinement in the main is starting to bug me. I doubted that card but once I started running it again I realized how powerful it is. Also the Plateaus are just bad.

>>55183587
shouldn't parait always run Path instead of Plow because of the potential land tax trigger?
I have a playset of Plot and need to pick up Paths...

And helms, tutors, RiPs, moxes and blood moon ._.

>>55177147

Why do you think modern is better than legacy? Don't you enjoy midrange grindy games at all?

>>55183615
Plow is still better because it doesn't give them the option of playing around Blood Moon. If they're trying to play under Tax they can still choose not to search a basic, and the life-gain is pretty irrelevant when your goal is to Rip/Helm them.

>>55183615
Path is probably better in UW Parfait, though it would make Back to Basics worse if you chose to run it.

>>55183625 has it right, your opponents life total is generally irrelevant for most Parfait builds.

>>55183587
https://youtu.be/i_VLFZhfrBQ?t=1m1s

>>55183662
>G2 against TES opponent tries to kill me with Telemin Performance.
>Gets a Canonist instead
>Looks at it for a second and then scoops
>This is after I won G1 with a T2 Trinisphere I tutored in response to his discard
Fun stuff

>>55183655
>>55183625
thanks bros

how many lands/mana sources do you usually accumulate before being ready to go off?

>>55183747
>how many lands/mana sources do you usually accumulate before being ready to go off?
It's not really a combo deck, so it depends entirely on the situation.

Against decks without counter magic or abrupt decay, you usually just combo as soon as you can with only 4-5 lands. Other times you'll want backup from Chant before you commit anything so you wait a lot longer.

Then there's those weird games where you cast Charbelcher on turn 3, use it to kill your opponent's dudes for a few turns while Tax thins your decks, and then finally point it at him.

earlier today there were like 16 $6 OG unmasks on amazon. apparently in the time it took me to play an fnm and then come home to test unmask in tin fins, some one bought them ALL and i am tilting out rn

I bought full Sneak&Show (all variants) yesterday. How do I gitgud? Even turn 1 deciding which land to play can be a difficult choice that loses you the game

>>55184943
Read/watch as much content about the deck as you can find, jam as many games as you can and take notes. This should show you what pitfalls/play errors you are making and how to correct them. This should have you playing the deck like a pro in a few months depending on how often you get to jam games.

>>55184943
Literally the only thing it's +EV to play around is Daze, you should have your own force/pierce vs force often enough, otherwise you just jam. Just fetch basic Island everytime blind and cantrip into the other mana needed, duals if the matchup doesn't involve Wastelands.

>>55184943
>>55185129
>>55184943
Played match up vs a modern junk deck yesterday (no one had legacy with them so will be testing later), I lost most of the games.
Any tips on how to play vs thoughtseize, I tried hiding pieces with brainstorm but I drew a 2nd emra a couple of times making it hard to decide qhat to put back on top (since my opponent could decide to have me discard an emra and shuffle my deck)

>>55185326
If you're having trouble beating one or 2 pieces of targeted discard you are probably either mulliganing poorly or cantripping poorly.

Live to bump
Bump to live

Secret tips for playing parfait the hottest deck right now?

Does black vise and winter orb still do work? What would be the best framework for such a deck?

>>55189276
Probably UBx handrape.dec, play some Chrome Moxes so it's easier to play arond Orb and go to town.
Play them in a Tezzeret deck

>>55185326

I think a big part of fighting through discard is in mulligans, as >>55185727 said. For example, with all-in decks like Charbelcher, you're probably going to want to keep hands with a second win-con, even though against non-disruptive decks you don't want more than one.

Regarding the Emrakul problem, it's actually not a problem to lose your 'yard and the cards you put back; you're going to lose the best thing in your hand to a Thoughtseize anyway, so you're not really losing anything you wouldn't be losing already if they shuffle away your topdecks. You can mind-game your opponent a bit by putting back something irrelevant; they have to gamble over whether to hit the power-card in your hand or the one you (might have) topdecked.

Also, I don't think you should worry too much about losing one combo piece unless they're likely to have a second discard spell. You've got the full cantrip suite and eight enablers in the orthodox SneakShow list, so rebuilding shouldn't be too big of a problem.

>>55189997
I love when you brainstorm in response to discard and next-level someone by bluffing what you put back. A week or two ago I was playing a storm mirror on MTGO. Game 2 my opponent probed and saw my double flusterstorm, dark ritual and cantrips. Then they therapied, I brainstormed and put back ritual and a cantrip. They named ritual on the therapy like a chump. But it doesn't always work out that well.

Can I namefag too?

>>55190867
Only if you post a picture of your deck

>>55190867
this >>55190891

>Go to check out tiny hobby store in the corner of town that does FNM drafts and stardard
>Arrive, talk to owner for a bit
>Place is a huge mess, looks like he had to re-arrange entire back area
>Apparently people don't always show up, pretty sparse business
>Ask about singles
>He takes out a binder, open it and on the first page is 2 Useas, a Grindstone, a Painters Servant and a Dack
I wanna buy in so bad, but I don'g wanna spens thousands on a deck I'll never get to play.

>>55183615 welp, just spent hundreds of dollars on cardboard

feels good man

>>55191887
Nice! Did you buy into the UW or WR build? Or maybe you built one of the spicy 3 color versions?

>>55193637
WR for now, we shall see how it goes

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>>55190165

That's interesting; why didn't you put back one Flusterstorm just to be safe? I would've probably put back Fluster and Ritual (the order depends), but I don't know what the rest of your board looked like (Fetches and whatnot).

A question for the floor: for people playing Storm variants, what's been your experience running Flusterstorm out of the board? I keep thinking I want to try it, but an extra Cabal Therapy seems to be working fine, and I'd rather buy a Scrubland for $90.

Apropos of nothing, my gf just got me a Cao Cao, Lord of Wei, ostensibly for use in Commander. Would it be sick tech against heavy control in game 2? Pic related.

>>55190867
>>55190891
>>55190904

Post deck pics senpai

>>55195507
Re: why I didn't make the safe play, the answer is twofold: I'd seen some play mistakes from them g1 and thought I could next-level them, and also because I like to live on the edge.

Re: flusterstorm, I like it in the board if you're expecting to play combo mirrors. I think it's kind of a trap against blue decks although it can be ok. Back in the miracles era it was better because my postboard plan rarely involved winning the turn I cast doomsday, so it didn't nonbo with LED as badly. I like to play the control role in the storm mirror so it feels good there, but the extra discard is more general purpose. Lately I've been big on IOK as the sideboard discard spell.

>>55195507
I've tried out 2x Fluterstorm in TES; I wasn't a fan and have since switched those slots in the SB to Defense Grid. Lots of line in TES make reactive spells bad and proactive spells good. For example, most lines that involve Infernal Tutor are not going to allow you to keep Flusterstorm up even if you have the blue mana to cast it. It's far more likely your able to fire off a Duress/Therapy/Thoughtseize the turn you go all in on IT. The only lines that come to mind where you could hold it up were some Ad Nauseum Line and some of the more off the wall Burning Wish and Past in Flames plays. The only lines I'd argue it was good in where PIF lines where you threatened to flash it back to protect yourself, but discard would have served the same purpose if not been better due to utility in earlier turns. I could see it being decent in the Storm mirror, but it's going to be difficult to keep it in you hand with all the discard you'd face. Overall I think more discard, hateful permanents like Defense Grid, or removal are better choices than Flusterstorm in the SB.

>>55195905
>>55195977

Thanks for the feedback, gents! I think I'll save up for Scrub instead at this point.

Inquisition sounds pretty sweet; in what matchups do you use it? I've considered it, but I don't like not being able to hit Flusterstorm or Mindbreak Trap with it.

I'm running straight Grix AnT right now, because seriously, fuck four colors. Thinking I might try to make room for an eighth discard in the sideboard as well; I feel like it's a lot better than people give it credit for being, but the wall of discard from Grix Delver/Pyro/whatever (they're pretty much the same deck) is making me wonder whether there's something I can run to counteract it. I'm already on double-Past in Flames maindeck.

>>55196773
I like IOK because even though it doesn't hit force it hits thalia and canonist and Leovold. AgainSt blue it hits most of their sideboard spells, and you still have 6 or 7 other discard spells for force. Once in a while you'll find yourself in a situation where you do because it can't take force, but sometimes you'll IOK them and realize you need to take a threat and duress can't do that. I like it better than therapy Vs chalice decks because postboard you're usually losing the lockpiece guessing game with blind therapy.

Does anyone want to discuss how much of a huge faggot I am? God, I hate myself so much, but I go on this anonymous imageboard posting with an identifier just to get approval from other shitstains to validate my shitty deck choice.

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>>55197221
You know all your possibly going to achieve is forcing people to use actual tripcodes so people can't impersonate them. In essence, your going to force more namefagging instead of eliminating it.

>>55197350
I actually post about half the time without a name. I don't really care if people impersonate me. It just bumps the thread.

>>55197599
Same here, I just find this sort of shit juvenile. It's literally the least create type of trolling one could attempt. I'm fine with trolling, this shit is just lazy.

>>55197657
Then how about you don't post with a name you attention whoring retard? Notice how nobody posts with "grixis delver" or "czech pile" as their name. Because its only shitters that force their garbage meme decks and want everyone to know. Guess what, nobody gives a shit.

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>notice me parfait senpai.

>>55198076
I don't mind going up on wincons, but the lack of Zuran Orb or any answer to non-land permanents is a mistake. 3 Moons might be overkill, too, at least in the maindeck.

>>55197898
> being this triggered by namefags who don't even use avatars or tripcodes and actually contribute to the threads

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>>55197898
No u. You think we do this to stroke our egos? We post with names specifically BECAUSE we play less common decks and BECAUSE we want to talk to people about them. You want to learn something about Grixis Delver or another common deck, you do a google search. You want to learn about or play a more uncommon or meta deck? good luck, there won't be much out there unless the deck has already picked up a lot of traction. Some of us like playing the less obvious deck choices or brew shit because we like the challenge of attacking the meta from non standard angles.

>>55198076
Can someone explain to me how this wins? Is it just elspeth or am I missing something

>>55198731
RIP+Helm exiles your opponent's entire deck

>>55198751
Ahhhh. I see now.
Seems like a fun deck, I might try to put one together

Reminder that it's okay to use Shocks and slowly build up to Duals

>>55198076
What's your sideboard look like?

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>>55198076
No Charbelcher?

>>55198705
THIS THIS THIS !
BIG RED DADDY IS RIGHT

>>55198490
Probably the should just start using avatars AND tripcodes and the troll baby will drown on frothing sputum in an autistic fit of rage.
>>55198781
Holy shit what's with everyone wanting to play parfait? Is this the new nourishing lich?

>>55199694
I picked up UW Parfait a while back when somebody posted a deck pic on here. The deck looked fucking sweet and I had pretty much everything I needed to play it already sitting around. It's also a deck that lets me play my Moat MB, so it's got that going for it too. As far as others picking it up, its a sub $1k deck that is interactive and reasonably competitive when tuned to the expected meta. I've done surprisingly well with it over the past 2 months, I'm currently sitting at 7-3-2 in random pickup games, so it's not bad at all for a budget legacy deck. There's also the fact that the archetype isn't well explored yet, nobody has really delved into the 3 color options yet, so its a great deck to brew and try new tech with.

>>55199912
I've always had a thing for prison-y decks (pox is my other legacy deck, and I've been playing Ponza in modern). maybe I should buiild parfait too...

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>>55201805
>I've always had a thing for prison-y decks
Same here, something about playing prison archetypes really scratches my MTG itch just right.

>>55202037
I think i mostly just like when my opponent looks confused and upset. Doomsday and prison decks both hit that spot.

>>55199694
I started building parfait because i had the combo cards already. Finished the deck 2-3 months ago when the deck started to get attention. Im running it 3 color and love it.

>>55202151
2 weeks ago I played some legacy with stasis+root maze. Looks on opponents face were priceless.

What would it take for zoo to replace delver as the premiere tempo deck again? Can it be done without counterspells?

>>55204541
no, zoo will never be fast enough to beat combo decks unless they print some ridiculously undercosted threats/hatebears

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>>55197309

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>delver is fun but i don't want to buy blue duals

>>55205176
play UB death's shadow and you can play a delver style deck with shocklands. Most of the lists I've seen play a dual or 2 for those times you need the life but you could probably get away with shocks and basics.

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>>55205176
>Dredge is fun but i don't want to buy lion's eye diamonds

>>55206818
>Miracles wasn't oppressing the format you guys the numbers are wrong it's fine to have zero sub50 matchups among the tier decks

>>55206890
You have to practice your reading comprehension.

>>55206948
We can all better ourselves but no person with a triple digit IQ thought Legacy was balanced nor diverse with Miracles in it, even though the deck wasn't as played as it should have been because of financial reasons and the sorry state of competitive Legacy.

>>55207192
http://mtgtop8.com/event?e=16413&f=LE
http://mtgtop8.com/event?e=16326&f=LE

You still missed the entire point of that post. Also top ban was retarded, because that wasn't the reason why the deck is good. Also yeah, legacy is pretty diverse; one reason being financial, other being that not all legacy players play the "best deck" ie miracles and the fact that unlike in other formats, you can actually compete with rogue decks with very good chance of success.

>>55206890
>Grixis delver isn't just new miracles
>whizzard's approaches to the banned list and card design isn't killing off our format

>>55171160
I'm a pleb.

I started with commander, bought a fuckload of singles, then realized no one likes commander and I have no idea how to build nonsingleton decks. I want to play legacy, but I'm feeling a little overwhelmed. I've read through your budget deck page, but I'm more lost than when I started.

To keep things brief, budget really isn't an issue because I'm going to build it over time, but I just want a straight-forward consistent legacy deck with relatively obtainable cards. I'm familiar with a lot of different combos, though I'd prefer to smash face given the option, and I get a huge boner for efficiency. Do you folks have any suggestions for fun decks I could build? My FLGS has a pretty booming legacy scene, so I'd assume all the usual suspects are represented. I've looked extensively into a BR reanimator deck, but it's going to cost me a lot of money, particularly with Chancellor of Norn's Anex spiking, though it may be the best option.

>>55207736
Grixis delver is cheap besides lands and FoWs and also has relatively fair chance to win against huge portion of the meta. Other than that you could go turbo budget and do burn, but trust me. You rather shoot yourself than play burn for a long period of time.

>>55207736
It sounds like you wanna play grixis delver, the version with DRS is probably one of the best decks in the format, but I've enjoyed Grixis Pyromancer with Looter Jace and a playset of Gurmags.

>>55198705
>I post with a name so everyone knows I'm the master of my deck XdXDxd
>Namefags ruined legacy general to the point that "nothing to talk" is a valid edition
In the beginning, eternal format what's comfy. Legacy and vintage alike, nobody talked about chink fakes or dead format. Then namefags appeared. The quality dropped, it became a circlejerking shithole of pictures of who has the ugliest whitebordered decks. Quality discussion? Just look at my fake tundras folded in half!
You killed the thread namefags, acknowledge it and don't resurrect it again

>>55208716
> killed the thread
> namefags are the only ones making the threads
> namefags are posting decks, tech, and strats and engaging with curious anons
> now some anonymous douche is shitposting and harassing the namefags and is the one complaining about "quality discussion"

really made me think

Should Jitte be errata'd "cannot be equipped to a creature named True-Name Nemesis"?

>>55209703
TNN should never have been printed in the first place.

>>55209754
Word.

>>55209703

Doesn't really seem all that degenerate from a casual Google of the card. What's the problem?

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>>55209874
>Doesn't really seem all that degenerate from a casual Google of the card.
Anon have you ever played Legacy before?

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>>55209874
nigga...

>Flusterstorm fucking $100
holy fuck, please reprint this wotc :(

>>55210449
Le modern masters 2018 mythic rare

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>>55209874

>>55210473
>modern

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>>55209874

>>55209703
>>55209923
>>55209925
>>55210020
>>55210632
>>55210910
>>55209874
Can someone screencap this?

>>55210473
>Le

kys

>>55211310
put me in the screencap please or I'll downvote

who else played Kamigawa standard with Jitte?

>>55213149
I wasn't playing standard at the time. I do remember my friends that did bitching about how broken it was though.

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>>55210449
I'll take EM2 Mythic for $100 Alex.

How do y'all feel about the new Entomb art vs the old art?

>>55207192

The poster in the image was talking about Vintage, not Legacy, and was making the point that Vintage is perhaps worse than Standard because of the fact that two decks have a complete stranglehold on the format. He was wrong, by the way, because the two decks strangling the format (as of the latest round of bans/restrictions) comprised "only" 53% of the top-8 results (I don't know when that image was capped).

For the record, though Top was a colossally stupid ban (Counterbalance?), I'm really happy Miracles is gone now. I don't care what anyone says about whether the matchup was favorable for Storm, or whether it had certain terrible matchups that might in some twisted universe have reined in the deck. It was agonizing to play against, it was far and away the best deck in the format, and its only natural predators were godawful against virtually everything else. It says a lot that people could play Venezuelan Legends—a roundly and thoroughly outclassed build of the deck—and still crush everything else with it.

>>55214094
I pretty much agree with you on all counts, but if there is one thing I'm sad about with the absence of miracles it's that the Venezuela jokes aren't flowing. I still get a kick out of that name. Probably cause I'm an autismo.

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>>55214029
The original art is usually the best, and Entomb is no exception. I think the art on the invocation version is really nice. It's a shame it's stuck on that frame though.

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>>55212830
here you go

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>>55214148

I'd be super pleased if someone found a new build for the Venezuela package. It's totally outside the realm of stuff I could build with my (rather meager) collection, but I'd be down to contribute to the brewing process if anyone else were interested.

>TES vs Eldrazi
>opponent is holding up a Warping Wail to counter the Meltdown I tutored
>He's got Chalice on zero and one, and two 3balls
>Draws a third Chalice
>Sets it on two
Why do people like this play magic?

>>55214949
lol that's gotta hurt :(

>>55214949

Two weeks ago I beat someone who had a Pyromancer live with three Therapies in the graveyard, and he totally forgot about them. Today, I tried comboing against a Deathrite Shaman, and I totally flubbed it because I tutored for one tutor too many and didn't have the mana to pull it together. Also played a game against Charbs in which I had a hand of Brainstorm, Polluted Delta, [generic off-color fetch], Cabal Ritual, Infernal Tutor, and Surgical Extraction. I played out the off-color fetch, fetched away some crap cards, and Brainstormed into two fetches, including a second Delta (making three in-hand fetches in total). I couldn't win here because I hadn't cracked a Delta prior; if I'd had a Delta in the graveyard, I could have put back the two off-color fetches and Extracted my own Deltas to empty my hand. It happens. I still carried those matches, but it's super-easy to make a colossal fuckup in this format.

In a lot of ways, I think the fact that Legacy's so unforgiving makes it better than Modern and Standard. I hear a lot of garbage about how deckbuilding is more innovative in Modern, or how Modern requires more strategic thinking because the games "last longer" (i.e. have more turns), or other such nonsense, but with cards as powerful as you find in Legacy, you have to play a lot more tightly than you would in the newer formats. You can afford to make terrible blocks in Modern and salvage the game, but if you tap the wrong land on your second turn in Legacy, you get BTFO'd.

>>55214949
Lots of people name LED with needle against me. I love dressing someone and seeing needle in their hand

Should I build Parfait, BR Reanimator or Punishing Maverick? I like all 3 decks but I'm kind of leaning towards the last 2 since they both build into other decks a little easier.

>>55222081
Reanimator. Trust me

>>55222081
Punishing Maverick sounds fun, BR Reanimator seem kinda same-ey after wnough goldfishes. In the same way that Sneak and Show decks are where you drpp the same bomb ever game.

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>>55218939
>LED on the stack
>i activate vial on 2 in response

post YFW

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>>55222739
>mfw

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Balance is now unbanned.

Post your decklists on how you would build a deck.

>>55222184
I'm about honestly. Also is it worth picking up a Bayou for the green splash builds or are they inferior to the white splash?

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What is the ultimate special snowflake deck in Legacy?

>>55223695
Fortunate dreadnought

>>55223825
I was gonna say DDFT but you win this one what the fuck is that garbage

>>55224062
Its my yolo deck that i play lmao

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>>55222739

>>55223695
Whatever deck has had a theory crafting page on mtgsalvation or its own subreddit for over 8 months and has never had a tournament finish.

>>55214094
Did you miss the two links I posted earlier? Last 2 major tournaments have been won by your gone miracles. So fuck your arguments. Also it was talking about standard and how they didn't ban the standard cards, because Felidar guardian was fucking broken. Felidar guardian ban came day after the post I think.

>>55223257
Parfait

>>55223503
Green's worth is a function of the amount of Leylines and Cages from Delver you face, having 8 anti-hate pieces basically prevents you from running set of Macabre for the mirror/Dredge or all the good 1-ofs. Wear/Tear is generally superior for being easier on mana, but sucks vs double Leyline openings.

>>55225815

Sue me.

Also, not really sure what you're so upset about.

>>55226642
I'm upset about Wizard making bad decisions, but oh well, can't have the perfect world.

>>55226730
>>55226642
I think you're both upset about the same thing

>>55216972
try pauper sometime, pretty unforgiving too. Well, less so with bannings, but pauper Infect wasn't so far from legacy one, despite being monocolored

Lately I have been thinking, that in Ant you should definitely run thoughtseize over duress. Is it a crazy thought? And that's because there is burn/DnT and such decks gaining popularity.

>>55226385
So when in doubt just go for the white splash and switch to green if necessary?

>>55177932
>2000 is still poorfag by legacy standards

wow, you're really convincing people to play a shit format :^)

>>55228352
Good format, shit management.

>>55177932
Not even close to true, 3+ color U decks you're mostly right, but there's lots of UR and UW decks at ~$2k.

>>55228352
Good things aren't free bro. Quality things will always cost more than cheap crap.

>>55229342
>Pretty much any tier one blue deck
For tier one blue decks, he's pretty spot on. What I would call the current tier one blue decks would be: Grixis Delver, Czech Pile, Sneak and Show, BUG Leovold decks. Only Sneak and Show meets the criteria of being ~$2k.

>>55229592
>Quality things will always cost more than cheap crap.
Says the guy who plays with cardboard :^)

>>55229592
Let's not be joking here. There is no reason for anyone to pay 2k$ for playing legacy, as you can just play it by the price of printing paper. Even then, legacy is not good as casual gaming and is only viable as tournament format. Which you could do as proxies as well, like many places do.

>>55232453
Yep. It's the way magic was meant to be played desu.

>>55232506
I agree that the price of staples is ridiculous, but if you want to play competitively what other option do you have? Legacy is not a casual format, so its pretty much play unsanctioned events, pony up for real cards, or roll the dice with counterfeit stuff. People are starting to catch on to the counterfeit cards; If you know how to spot them they stick out like a sore thumb. I myself have gotten several wins from calling people out in Comp REL events on them. So if DQ's and possible DCI bans are your thing, roll that dice, just don't get surprised when people start calling you out. Your other options besides buying in or playing with counterfeit cards are: play online (MTGO/Xmage), or play only unsanctioned events, and good luck getting many quality game out of either options.

>>55228019

I'd be totally on board with that if I didn't maindeck Ad Nauseam. There's definitely a case to be made for Thoughtseize if you run AdN in the 'board, though, and that's something I've been considering more and more.

>>55228352

So what's that other format that's got a good balance of highly-varied strategies and decks and gives powerful cards a chance to shine without getting "BUH-ROKEEENNNHRRRRHRHRHRRH"-ed out of the game?

On the subject of price, there are plenty of Legacy decks that are (or, until the last couple of months, have been) cheaper than a lot of popular but terrible decks in Modern. Trust Wizzerds to reprint expensive Modern staples and inexpensive Legacy staples to crash card value while they ignore the Reserved List. Again. In spite of the fact that they've already broken their promise. (I'm not a fan of the RL, for the record, and I unloaded a lot of cards for my Underground Seas. I just think Wizzerds reached a critical mass of hypocrisy and bad decisions a long time ago, and they're working to compound their mistakes rather than to admit and rectify them.)

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>>55232908
>they're working to compound their mistakes rather than to admit and rectify them.
Corporate America in action my man. Joking aside, I agree 100%, there is absolutely no reason for an unlimited Underground Sea to be $500. This is WoTC failing to do the reasonable thing and reprint important staples while at the same time letting the secondary market go insane. I own pretty much every Legacy staple minus some of the Legends enchantment, and I would happily see my collection lose 75% of its value to bolster the eternal formats. Just reprint the cards with modern card boarders, the collectors get to have their rare old border card while people that simply want to play get the cheap modern border. My theory is that if eternal formats where cheaper nobody would play Standard, and Standard is the goose that lays golden eggs for WotC. Eternal formats don't really sell booster packs/boxes and WotC is at least not dumb enough to outright kill the goose.

>>55233109
>picture
>implying that it's not development who does this.

>>55174778
Son did you even read Geosurge? The mana it makes is practically worthless.

>>55233125
Agreed. Maro is the public face of the company, but in all fairness it should probably just be the Wizards logo. I would fix it if I wasn't so shit at photoshop.

>>55233109

The funny thing to me is that they haven't realized some really important things:
—People get bored of Standard and/or Modern, and they either cash out of the game, dump their cards in a box and forget about them, or (rarely) seek out the eternal formats. Wizzerds isn't making money off of people who don't want to play Standard regardless of what they do with their cards, so why keep strangling the other formats? It doesn't bring back players or add new ones.
—Reserved-list cards aren't inherently valuable because of their playability; they're also valuable because they're collectible. Reprinting Black Lotus won't decrease the price of Alpha Lotuses nearly to the degree that the company expects because there are very, very few Alpha Lotuses; they've become collectors' items rather than game pieces.
—When "The Promise" was made, prices were nowhere near where they are now. InQuest Magazine from July 1996 (around the release of Alliances and four months after the RL was created) prices Alpha Lotuses at $325 (high). By itself, this means nothing, but the prices have gone way up. Keeping the reserved list hasn't sustained the value of those cards (the goal of the reserved list); it has increased the cards' value by factors.
—Eternal formats draw very few players—largely because of cost, but more importantly because Wizzerds has surrendered control over the card-market for those formats to separate collectors and vendors and has continued to maintain this arrangement in spite of the interests of the company and the players.

I also would like to see duals and power reprinted—duals because I want to play more Legacy, and power because I don't think I'll ever own any at the prices for which they currently sell. Why would I go back to Standard? Even if Vintage is a clusterfuck (because Shops gets 500% as many Lotuses as any other deck, and they still don't realize that), I don't see how they're doing anything but making the game worse.

Should I learn UW Helm or Enchantress? I'm a red prison player looking to branch out.

>>55228251
Yeah pretty much, blue for SNT is also viable with Unmask+Seize if you want to dodge yard hate altogether.

>>55183598
Can you post updated decklist? Just curious.

>>55178017
The correct pile is:
Ponder
Laboratory Maniac
Ignite memories
Shelldock Isle
Kozilek, Butcher of Truth

>>55177932
>Both 4 color decks are 3500-4000 American dollary-doos if you want mint everything from cardkingdom
>Both drop to 2500 if you go to tcg for beat up seas and volcs
>Meanwhile the other 76% of played decks are 2000 or less either way
"Grixis" $3000 landbase aside, 2k is the starting point youll want in legacy if you want a competitive deck that can build upwards or sideways in price. Stuff like turbo depths, eldrazi, and D&T are significantly less and still competitive but dont build into as many decks.

>>55237784
>>55229786 pretty much already covered this, the discussion was refering to the tier 1 blue decks, which pretty much means the UBRx decks.

>>55238216
But those arent even that much unless you want the vacuum sealed minty fresh duals. Tcgplayer you can get sleeve playable stuff and run the deck far cheaper, especially if "damaged" means its signed or altered.

>>55238244
You know "damaged" by tcgplayer standards means it most likely can't be sleeved and played without being considered marked right?

https://help.tcgplayer.com/hc/en-us/articles/221430307-Card-Condition-Guide?mobile_site=true

Also, TCGplayer doesn't allow the sale of signed cards at all.

>>55238244
I've bought a ton of damaged cards and most have been totally fine. I do have a mishra's factory that looks like it took a few trips to the laundromat though.

>>55238583
But would you be willing to drop $100s on dual lands in damaged condition sight unseen knowing theres a reasonable chance they couldn't be played at all? I don't think I could justify it personally.

>>55238244
Look up the decks in question on mtgtop8, specifically look from the price from tcgplayer. The price is quoted as: "from $x" meaning thats the absolute cheapest price from all the cards they have. In other words, thats the price if you were to buy everything in beat to shit condition. These decks are well over the $2k mark, even buying everything in damaged condition.

>>55238797
Mtgtop8 is where the numbers are originally from, and an initial check when you go and order by mass entry it isnt putting anything less than moderately played in. Its 33-50% over 2k but a far cry from the stickershock of 3.9-4k

>>55238576
Shit, now that I think of it I only ever bought damaged locally. My duals are mostly HP though since I always went to that. So swap over damaged to HP and the advice is the same for online.

>miracles banned when it was only 18% of the meta at its worst
>Mtgtop8 has 4c delver at 30% under 4 different names
b-b-but this list uses 2 more anglers over 2 abrupt decays and this other variant uses a leovold! Totally different decks!

>>55238951
Right. So that's still $2700-$3000. The initial point was that these top blue decks are a a lot over the $2k mark, even when done as cheaply as possible.

I picked up a pretty good-looking Scrubland for $60 the other day. For Commander. It might not be easy, but there are ways to get eternal staples without blowing multiple paychecks at once.

I'm not about to claim that Legacy is cheap, but the hill's not nearly as steep as a lot of people think, especially if one has a boatload of cards lying around from years of buying packs. I didn't really pay much money for my Underground Seas; I just moved childhood pack-rares I wasn't ever going to use and picked them up that way.

What I think is funny is that it's actually comparatively difficult to break into Modern off the card-base of non-Delver Legacy decks. The Modern banlist has really cut away a lot of the crossover cards outside fetches, Tarmo, Snaps, Clique, and Liliana.

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>>55239153
Are you perhaps suggesting a card that needs to be banned from the deck?

>>55239153
Because Grixis and UR Delver dont play anything alike? Surely you can't be this dense.

>>55239223
Close.
#freetop
#senseididnothingwrong
#unbannecropotenceandfastbondtoo

>>55239242
Look closer, those "UR delver" lists are running bayous and trops to splash deathrite and anglers.

>>55239153

Delver is definitely a problem, but I don't think it's so banworthy for a number of reasons. For one thing, it's not nearly so oppressive for so many opposing decks (unless it's Grix), and for another, the lists are actually more varied than you're giving them credit for being. As a Storm player, I'd gladly face BUG Delver round after round than face Miracles more than once. I also think we're still going through the post-ban shakeup and that everything hasn't sorted itself out yet. Legacy moves slowly.

>>55239265
Nigga your crazy if you think those decks are the same.
Grixis: http://www.mtgtop8.com/event?e=16722&d=303392&f=LE
UR: http://www.mtgtop8.com/event?e=16743&d=303533&f=LE

>>55239308
Ur delver, just clicking a random list
http://www.mtgtop8.com/event?e=16580&d=302484&f=LE

>>55239279
>we're still going through the post-ban shakeup
I think this is a good part of the reason for delver numbers surging. It's just people using the "when in doubt play something strong and proactive" mentality.

>>55239348
Obviously a miscategorized deck. MTGtop8 is known for being kinda crappy on stuff like that.

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>>55239153
>tfw landstill making a comeback
>tfw tearing up a local dredgeless shop with UW landstill
Fuck delver, fuck it right in its creature based strategy

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4c goodstuff decks are fine if not for the fact that it also gets away with playing so many Wastelands. Fuck em. I wish they get manascrewed and lose games over it every fucking game.

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>>55239406
You can blame DRS, the savior of "there's no way this should work" manabases. That little elf is damn good at what he does.

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>>55238637
I actually have done this. Both my underground seas I bought I tcgplayer as damaged. Pic is the front of one and the back of the other. The front you can see is pretty dirty around the borders. The back of the other is worn on the edges and has some scuffs, etc. I play them double sleeved in opaque sleeves and have never had a problem. Survived multiple deckchecks.

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>>55239580
And if anyone is interested here are my nasty ass factories, also bought damaged, from when I was building pox as a poor college student. These might not survive a deckcheck.

>>55239580
Fair enough man, you've got bigger balls than me on this one. I dont think I could throw down $270 for a revised USea that I might not be able to play.

>>55239698
I paid around 180 per for mine a few years ago so it wasn't quite as bad. I might be a bit more hesitant today but I've had good luck with 90% of the damaged cards I buy and I routinely buy in the worst condition available. Poor habits die hard.

What are the chances that JTMS gets banned? Planning on buying a playset

>>55239383
Time to turn my jank stiflenought back to landstill stiflenought.

>>55239893
In Legacy? Somwhere close to 0%.

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>>55239481
4c deck without DRS:
>should I play volcanic T1 to hold Bolt or play fetch to be able to Abrupt T2 oh man
>sure hope opponent doesn't Wasteland my greedy fucking manabase!

With DRS:
>billion lands in my deck cast my mana dork! Haw haw
>Wastelands from both sides only make my mana better in the long run
>hurrhurr Birds of Paradise that also kills opponent

If Paper Legacy died in your area, would you switch to mtgo, switch to modern, or would you finally be free of this addictive hell-game

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Florida bros better batten down the hatches.

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>>55241356
Why play nonblue when you could play blue?

>>55241415
Summers over muhfuxker it's hurricane seezon!

>>55239739

Some vendors actually mark down the value of some of their wares (pun only partially intended). I picked up two Underground Seas on eBay for about $164 each in late 2015/early 2016, and they were listed as "heavily played." They're both definitely in better shape than that, though, even if the backs are scuffy and one has a spot of . . . something on it that probably got there in the late '90s.

>>55239481
>>55240113

I actually don't mind DRS, even though it's just as emblematic of the absurd design philosophy at Wizzerds as Delver is. Sure, it's super-busted, but for some reason that doesn't bother me as much as the one-mana 3-power flyer that happens to pitch to Force. Even though Deathrite is a significantly better card, having such a strong synergist doesn't bother me as much as the Flying Blue Nacatl and what it says for the direction of the game.

Fellow Dredgers, what's your opinion of Putrid Imp?

For enthusiasts of the card, in a base list that runs quads of everything except Dread Return and Prized Amalgam, what are the priority cuts to accommodate it?

For people who don't like it, have you ever found yourself wanting the card? What do you run instead if you don't go straight QuadLazor?

>>55239481

I built and tested Grixis Delver because fuck brewing for Legacy. Holy shit, what a deck.

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>>55241356
Florida man here. This shits about to be crunk as fukk. I'll take pictures after the shitstorm and post up here.

>>55245236
The real answer is that Dredge has been dead since 2013 and it's time to move on.

The play-along answer is that Putrid Imp usually competes for slots with Street Wraith (great), Amalgam (iffy if you don't need it to pitch to Force) and the second mb Dread Return (winmore, never run this). If your hand goes off through fow+active DRS or you're playing vs combo then Wraith is just better vs tards who try to exile your dredgers and giving extra speed. The beatdowns matter literally never. LED or looter into second looter is all the discard you realistically need.

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>>55245683
>on cantonese knitting assembly forum
>on sub board of crustbeards who enjoy sitting around a table
>in a topic of children's card games
>in a thread of the multi-thousand dollar format for people who make poor financial decisions
>posting images of a fucking storm or some shit
>thinking it's relevant or anyone gives a shit
There's only one kind of storm that's of interest here.

>>55241337
It would be the end of my competitive magic career, I refuse to play Modern again after how toxic my experiences with that community were last time around. I'd probably us my stuff to build a legacy cube and attempt to convince my friends to draft it with me.

>>55241337
Build a cube and start a Toolkit League.

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So if you were allowed to unban one card (with the exception of P9, Ante cards, and conspiracies) to try and fuck up Legacy as much as possible what would it be? I'd vote either Flash or Mental Misstep. Flash Hulk was arguably the most oppressive combo deck Legacy ever saw and Mental Misstep basically turned the format on it's head, making every deck allocate space for 4x Misstep so they could try and play the game. Runner up shout outs to Gush and Tinker.

>>55248233
Tolarian Academy would be cool, or Jar.

>>55248233
it has to be workshop, right? No other non-power9 card comes close. You basically have unrestricted vintage shops (minus power and crypt/ring of course) at that point. Same thing with bazaar, but I think workchop would be slightly worse. But beside that sol ring, mana crypt, and vault would become 4-of in every deck, probably worse than misstep. And in terms of combo I imagine time vault or channel would be the worst to unban.

>>55248315
"I don't think Jar by itself would be even playable."

-Stupid shit said by Anon, 2017 special collection

>>55248420
It would be interesting to see what channel would do to Belcher.

>>55238216
There are a handful of Tier 1 Blue decks that are 2 colors, portent/UW control, UR delver, etc.

>>55238576
TCGPlayer allows signed cards, and cards marked as Draft GP cards ect, but only in the damaged section of their site. Buying damaged is a crapshoot, sometimes its a perfectly good card, sometimes it's bend in half.

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>testing vs Czech Pile
>they play t3 Leovold
>I make 12 goblins
>get them to 3 before they stabilize with removal and striges
>they think they've won
>play 6th land, burning wish and hardcast Tendrils with storm of 2
>Leovold draws into nothing
>mfw

>>55248420
>it has to be workshop, right?
I think this is the winner, you'd have Vintage shops without Sol Ring, Mana Crypt, P9, or Strip but it would have access to 4x Chalice, 4x 3ball, 4x Lodestone, 8x Sphere effects; This would be a funny world where the Legacy version of a deck would probably be far stronger than it's Vintage version and it would be absolutely disgusting. There would be lots of games against a deck like that where you'd never even get to cast a spell, you would literally be forced to play URx to get access to Force and Ingot Chewer to even stand a chance.

As for non-land cards, I'd go with either Time Vault because of how cheap and easy the combo would be to assemble in Legacy or Wheel of Fortune, the thought of 4x Wheel as a TES player makes me a little hard.

>>55248733
I don't think I'd consider Nu Miracles a Tier 1 deck, It's good, but probably it's 1.5-2. I'd put UR Delver in about the same place. I'd say Sneak and Show is tier 1 though, it's the only two color blue deck I'd consider to be in that category.

>TCGPlayer allows signed cards
No. No they don't. Straight from TCGplayer's card condition guide: "Any stamp, inking or signature on a card is considered an alteration, and since each alternation is unique, they cannot fit within our standardized grading. Cards marked in this way should not be sold on TCGplayer.com."

Source: https://help.tcgplayer.com/hc/en-us/articles/221430307-Card-Condition-Guide

>>55249112
I work there, there's a bunch of signed cards in the damaged bin right now for direct.

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>>55249311
Don't know what to tell you. The condition guide on TCGplayer says otherwise.

>>55246170

That's the thing, though; Dredge was DOA (grave-hate's been free since 1994), but it still comes out of nowhere and knocks over a tournament here or there. It's effectively a lesson in card advantage.

Agreed generally about the other card choices you mentioned; I haven't run PImp in a long time, but I still think it's got its uses because it has a discard outlet that can't be countered. Need to start playing the deck again; it's surprising how often it comes out of nowhere and cracks people on the noggin.

>>55246224

>There's only one kind of storm that's of interest here.
>There's only one kind of storm that's of interest
>There's only one kind of storm

>>55246778

WTF is the deal with Modern and attracting shitty people? I don't hate all Modern players by any stretch, but it's like you take the most competitive traits, the most nerdish traits, and the most cliquish/cockish traits, and you put them together to make 65–80% of the Modern community. I hate Standard for obvious reasons, but at least the people are good people. Whenever I see Modern babbies come play in the big leagues, they turn salty as the Sahara when someone beats them without attacking with a single 3/3.

>>55248233

I'd probably go with Mishra's Workshop. As I said before, giving a deck four free Black Lotuses is pretty much asking a format to die. Channel and Tolarian Academy would also be pretty degenerate. Misstep would be aggravating, but there's always the answer to Misstep: a quad of Missteps! Bazaar would probably be fixed easily, as all the grave-hate for it would just slide over from Vintage. I actually think that's one of the safer unbans (along with Mana Drain). It's worth mentioning that a number of Restricted cards have been outclassed in a "quads format," like Necropotence, Bargain, and Jar. The fast mana would also be a problem in the same deck and for the same reasons that Workshop would be, but to a lesser extent.

>>55248805

>striges

A fellow Latinist, I see.

I wish there was a mono white storm brew

Or just more storm brews in general

>>55249368
Have you seen the Red Tide/Ruby Storm deck?
http://www.mtgthesource.com/forums/showthread.php?31803-Ruby-Storm

>>55249388
yea! It's a neat deck

there was a dude who posted a green storm deck a while back that swung for lethal with haste 4/4's that i thought was creative

>>55249352
I don't know if the groups I tried to play modern with were particularly bad or what the problem was. The experience that made me leave the format forever was a guy picking up my deck and throwing it at me as hard as he could when I beat him with my Blood Moon+Chalice brew (FYI new dragon shield sleeves will cut you up good if somebody throws them in your face). I don't know what causes this sort of behavior in modern players, but I'm not willing to spend my limited free time deal with it.

>>55249525

Sounds like someone got salty over routine beats. Don't know why this happens in that format. Maybe the culture of fun-policing has created a never-neverland for people who can't handle seeing an objectively good deck lose a match. I've lost a lot of matches in Legacy, even against bad decks. Don't know why people can't accept that and learn from their mistakes.

I have played matches that caused a couple of Modern players (whom I respect) to quit Legacy. I don't think it was my behavior; I've always tried to be modest in victory and decorous in defeat. The Modernists were playing "fair decks," though (presumably out of familiarity), so reanimating an Inkwell Leviathan against 4c control or playing four mana-rocks and a Chain of Vapor to double Storm count probably constituted stuff they didn't think was possible. Again, I can't help but think the kiddy-gloves nature of Modern was largely responsible.

I've never seen the kind of behavior you had to stomach. Frankly, I'd have reported the person to the store owner and (if possible, and if it'd actually matter) the DCI. Everybody gets salty sometimes, but that's over the top. It's a fucking hobby, after all.

>>55249726
There was a funny/fitting end to that story. The store owner saw it, called the cops, and wouldn't let the guy leave the store, so I got to press assault/battery charges on the salty asshole. I've since moved away from the area, but it still pisses me off the fucker gave me scars on my face and might have seriously injured my eyes if i hadn't been wearing glasses. What blows me away is this was simply over him getting BTFO by turn 1 Chalice 2 games in a row at a FNM.

>>55249917
he was just trying to get past your chalice

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>>55249917
forgot pic

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>>55249950
Lol, well done sir.

>>55249726
>>55249917
Seriously, how do all the violent autists find their way to Modern? This isn't the first time I've heard a story like this about modern, and I doubt it'll be the last.

>>55241337
As long as there is proxy tournaments here, the ride never ends. Although that just got me free from monetary jail. Can play whatever I want.

>>55249352
>but I still think it's got its uses because it has a discard outlet that can't be countered
But it gets countered whenever possible, it literally reads Force me or lose if you're on fair blue, whereas many people let the first looter resolve if you didn't crack LED. Dredge was hella viable before the printing of DRS since your game 1 was closer to 100% than the I dunno 60-70% it is now.

>>55245236
Won a game few times with pimp/narco beatdown. Personally I just like the card and most of the time is the critical "one more creature" to hit into cabal therapy/dread return on turn 2. Can't imagine playing without it.

>deck is called Ad Nauseum Tendrils
>gets most of its wins through Past in Flames
>the other Storm deck thats name has nothing to do with Ad Nauseum actually uses the card more
ANT should be called Past in Flames Tendrils, and TES should be called Ad Nauseum Warrens.

>>55252155
As you can probably guess it has more to do with the development of the decks and certain names sticking. Pre-past in flames, Ad Nauseam was the main engine in ANT. The name TES is a riff on TPS (The Perfect Storm, the vintage storm deck), so named because as the deck was developed and championed largely by one person he claimed the right to name it. I respect Bryant Cook's deck building and playing abilities but his deck's name is lame as fuck.

>>55252155
Source

>>55249345
The guide says they dont allow it. In practice, this has just meant they are labled as damaged and sold off at half price instead of "finkle signed beta shivan dragon, $499.99 plus tip!" TCGplayer doesnt personally check every card sold through their site unless someone throws a fit, and I doubt someone getting an sp tropical island at damaged price is going to tattle on the store for a stamp/slight alter/signature

do any of you go to local shops to play?how competitive/serious is it? Would i be able to get by with a non top tier deck?

>>55255188
Of course, generally when people play in paper they are more likely to play their pet decks as opposed to whatever is top of the format. As for how serious it is, that really depends on the people that show up. But I have found that legacy players tend to be more mature and relaxed than the average mtg player

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>>55252155
>deck is called Delver
>doesn't play Delver

>deck is called Burn
>doesn't play (Turn//)Burn

>deck is called Parfait
>has nothing to do with desserts
>not even edible

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>>55255188
Well it depends. If you have that average 7-10 player legacy scene itll largely be pet decks and youll be fine with anything, some decks may even shine in your local meta. Larger 20-30 legacy player shops youll start seeing more delver/S&T decks. The games are competitive either way but seriousness will vary, generally less people means itll be more light hearted.

>>55255301
>>55255728
Ok i want to make mighty quinn because i like how the deck plays and i think it can hold its own ok but i also dont know all the decks and rules and dont want to do it if im just going to get yelled at for not knowing everything

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>>55214029
I try not to think about it.

>>55255837
Well top is banned so thats a pretty big hit. Your card advantage is slow and grindy too, but Im not sure how fast/slow your local meta would be. Looking at the lists from this decade you are going to have a bad time against combo

>>55255964
Wait when did top get banned?

>>55255837
I doubt you are going to get yelled at, people who play paper legacy are usually grateful if anyone new shows up because of how small the player base is, so they are usually helpful and eager to get more interest in the format.

>>55256119
wew, you might want to brush up on the recent changes to the format if you are going to play a sanctioned event. Top was banned a few updates ago, now deathrite shaman reigns supreme

>>55256161
Ya i clearly need to. i love playing magic, but dont play often due to my friends moving on from it /not liking anything outside standard. Im kinda bumbed out now i dont know any decks that play like quinn

>>55256272
What aspects of the deck do you like? We can try to suggest another.

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>>55248233
Or Windfall.

>>55256272
>Mono white
D&T
>Control
Nu-miracles or lands or standstill
>Cheap
Dredge, oops, burn
>Unique lock feeling deck
Parfait

>>55256407
I liked that it was really reactive. You had to see what your opponent was doing and search your deck for an anwser. And you had to decide if you wanted to race them with your combo,or lock them out with artifacts and stuff

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I just found out that a nearby LGS has 10 proxy legacy events. I've never played legacy before but I really want to get away from modern. How does this list look?

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>>55237579

>>55260040
Forgot to mention this sorry, but the forces, rainforests, and trops are proxies. I also pulled an Italian legends abyss from a chaos draft, so I've got about $200 to spend on stuff.

>>55260040
Needs another two instances of Deep Anal.
While you're at it, add Earthbind. And Uktabi.

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Neuvo Rich anon here. Is there a flowchart or something for decks? I can make anything and that sudden alteration to my life has made me unprepared for good magic.

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>>55260099
>>55260040
Some old school shit right here. I think you should play the full 4 forces. I don't think you need the full 4 obsessive search

>>55254089
So basically, your not supposed do, but do it anyways because you usually get away with it.

tfw the only format you can afford is pauper :(

>>55262435
You are not losing much, because pauper is pretty ok format. Just print the decks and play with your friends, you realize soon, that pauper is the better casual format. If you want to have the tournament experience, try finding out if there is proxy events near you.

>>55260235
>Miracles
A bit out dated i guess

>>55262653
Yeah, it still lists TES as a 5 color deck.

>>55260040
>Double Deep Anal

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>>55262746
Yeah it seems like it was updated by someone who didn't really know the format well.

Should I make my deck all japanese foils? Have a seller close by with like 40 cards as foils for the deck.

>>55266107

Sure why not

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So I started playing on cockatrice tonight to supplement my paper Legacy play, my experience wasn't good. Seriously though, what is up with people on cockartice? I was playing TES and it's been nothing but rage quits and salt left, right, and center. Had several people get pissy with me about holding priority on IT+LED activations because it took me a few seconds to type that's what I was doing and had several people quite when they saw I was playing storm. Is this what it's normally like or am I just running into a bunch of salty shitters in quick succession?

>>55266480
>not playing on Xmage where you can just laugh at all the salt golems and kill them anyway because there's rules enforcement
You have only yourself to blame here

>>55266492
xmage is sooo butters tho

>>55266480
Legacy is not a good format for Cockatrice as rules lawyering is part of plans. Modern/Standard work much better as the cardpool is simpler.

>>55266480
Use xmage nugga

>>55262435

Shit man, if my LGS had Pauper I'd play the crap out of it.

>>55266480
i've played legacy on cockatrice many times but i ran into an unusual amount of garbage opponents earlier this week. i don't know what happened

>>55260040

What's a good name for this other than UG Madness? I fucking hate Modern deck-naming conventions.

>>55268981
Canadian Threshold

>>55260040
Shitty Delver

>>55260040
Remove Lhurgoyf

>>55260040
I Have No Island and I Must Daze

>>55260040
Probably Not Enough Cantrips or Countermagic: The Deck

>>55260040
Ernest Borgnine

>>55260040
The Deck Formerly Known as Ernest Borgnine

>>55260040
If You Are Reading This It's Too Late

>>55260040
Hitler Did Nothing Wrong

>>55260040
Bugs n' Thugs

>>55260040
Show and Tell Lets You Do What?

>>55260040
Loss

>>55269265

BANNED

>>55255366
>not even edible

Anon you're not trying hard enough

What the fuck happened in here?

How do i deal with krosan grip?

>>55270021

Give your artifacts/enchantments hexproof/indestructible. Alternatively, Discard/Taxing effects. You can't respond to Split Second so you have to be creative.

>>55270021
chalice on 3

How is merfolk these days? Trying to build modern merfolk with the intent to save for forces later to get into legacy.

>>55271910

Decent enough. A guy at my LGS plays them in Legacy and Modern, he usually does fairly well. You are a bit at the mercy of combo, I think, if you don't have a Force in hand.