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First for the Drukhari!

First for lewd celestine!

>>55163326
What are you actually talking about?

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FREEBOOTA ORKZ REPORTIN' IN!!

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So what HQ makes for a good choice to go with a squad of 5 wolf guard terminators in a land raider crusader (x3 hammernators, x2 dual wolf claws)

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Should I make an OC chapter for my marines, or use one of the minor existing ones that just have a name, color scheme and a few lines of fluff?

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The dark city shall rise from the ashes!!

>>55163447
Probably a wolf lord in terminator armor, assuming yiffs can do that.

>>55163421
NOT FOR LEWD

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Roll, paint and post.

>>55163457
A minor chapter, show some love. Like Novamarines.
>>55163462
Has there been any updates on what has happened to the dark city since it seemed like it was boned?

>>55163457
>you will never be fantasized about by an awkward thicc sister of battle

>>55163457
Depends on what you want to do. If you want to make your own story, you're better off taking a mostly unknown chapter. If you want the stories to be told for you, take an established one.

>>55163490
Like a Rollin stone

>>55163462
>When fantasy and 40k become undistinguishable

>>55163457
Sauce?

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Is there already a BA successor chapter that's extra fanatical with their devotion to Sanguinius? I want to make my own successor chapter that has a lot of conflicts with other chapters because the Inquisition sees them as potential heretics that put their primarch above the Emperor

>>55163496
Novamarines got a novel for them, featuring Blood Drinkers. There are many more unknown chapters here>>55163490

>>55163522
If you play daemons they basically are indistinguishable.

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Nuln Oil on Left, just straight Administratum Grey on the right. I dont really like nuln oil, and kinda want the cleaner look.

>>55163477
wolves can take a terminator wolf lord which provides the standard reroll 1 to hit buff

other options are a wolf priest who can heal multi wound models which could help provide some durable to the terminators

Arjac is a costly leader but he provides a +1 attack in addition to a re roll to failed wounds

Logan is an even more costly alternative but allows wolf guard to ignore morale while being a very nasty beatstick himself

>>55163559
You should never use washes on large, flat panels like that, it will always look like shit. Unless you play something Nurgle, then the looks is perfect for what you want.

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Does the emperor approve of yuri?

>>55163559
You're not supposed to just slather that shit on there like it's fucking ketchup man.

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What are they doing in the Konor system?

>>55163590
Yes.

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>>55163582
Yes, why else do you think he blesses the sisters so?

>>55163582
The Emperor doesn't care. Only service to Him on Earth matters.

>>55163447
>>I want to be tough to kill and hit in melee
Sounds like a job for a wolf priest, but I'm no yiff.

>>55163559
Just apply a touch up layer to the left.

>>55163590
No.

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>>55163490
Go go go!

>>55163496
Novamarines sure are fun to paint

I'm trying to get my brother into 40k and I think the Orks are perfect for him. Can somebody who understands the Orks better than I do help me out? Anything you write I'll show him.

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Would a Space Marine get cover from standing behind a Dreadnought's legs or peeking over a vehicle? (like if he was on some terrain behind a Rhino that elevated him high enough to have his head sticking up above the Rhino)

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>>55163582

>>55163590
Maybe

>>55163590
Same thing as any Orks that are in the area.

Shenanigans.

Lots of shenanigans.

What's a good faction to play as pirates? The sea shanty singing type

>>55163590
Maybe

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Post dudes

>>55163590
Yes. No. Maybe. Visti Polemas Pardauk #16

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>>55163421

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>>55163582
Of course, if there is something the Emperor is fond of is being surrounded by his personal harem warrior bitches.

>>55163490
Rolltato

>>55163590
Is that alpharius?

>>55163580
>>55163583
>>55163625
Yeah just gonna do another thin layer to clean it up and then get to highlighting. Just wanted to see what it looked like. Hopefully itll help others!

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>>55163639
The screams of your captives are like music to a dark eldars ears.

>>55163639
DEldar or Red Corsairs.

>>55163639
Freebootaz Orks.

>>55163649
So wait is the emperor just totally unaffected by being sorrounded by blanks? Is he that much more powerful than Magnus?

>>55163629
Find the 4th edition Ork codex somewhere and let him read it. If anything will make somebody want to play orks it's that codex. Best codex ever made by GW just because of the fluff and the way it was written and I don't even play Orks

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Ork anons, I think I have spotted a new model. Maybe I am wrong I have not played 40k in years but I always kept my toe dipped in the game and I could be wrong.

It might be a conversion of a deff dread or morkanought but I don't think it is. It looks like an up scaled dreadnought.

Page 53 of the new white dwarf. To the left of the text box, obscured by smoke effects.

The klaws look the same as the deff dread but it's face looks more forward hunched and I've never seen those two mini gun barrels before?

>>55163639
Orks, maybe especially weird dark eldar

>>55163658
Both.

>>55163686
Well, what does the textbox/caption say?

>>55163678
Magnus was already pretty unaffected, he just couldn't harm them directly with psychic attacks.

>>55163686
Looks like a deff dread with the battlewagon commander...
But it has punisher cannons or something?
And that claw doesnt come with the kit?
And that thing on the back looks like a KFF?
The fuck is that thing?
Looted vehicles?

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>>55163645
Fun times

>>55163532
oh god, that terrible picture of sang. this has to be the worst picture in 40k history. i could write a paper on how awful this picture is

>>55163639
Ork Freebootaz are the cartoon pirates of 40k. There are others, but those are more Somali pirates than Pirates of the Caribbean.

>>55163582
More importantly how does the emperor feel about traps?

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>>55163686
Good find, anon. But that's a Deff Dread with an Ork peaking out of the hatch.

>>55163686
Orkimedes piloting a personal construct!?

reposting

>>55163715

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>>55163645

>>55163701
It's unrelated bumpf about the orks being an old race introduced at the start of 40k and the tau being new comers.

>>55163724
Give us your thesis at least

>>55163731
As long as you don't whip it out in the name of Slaanesh the Emperor doesn't care what you do with it.

>>55163532
>potential heretics that put their primarch above the Emperor
There's too many chapters that do that to bother investigating.

>>55163681
Best fluff places for greenskins are the Freebootaz codex from 1e/Rogue Trader, 4th edition, and 5th edition.

>>55163686
If I had to guess, it looks like someone kitbashed a Deff Dread with one of the shitty Deffkoptaz models GW sells in the store (why they never updated it to the obviously superior Deffkopta model from Black Reach I'll never understand).

>>55163740

Is he examining some very tiny details on his sword?

>>55163686
Looks like its either a looted vehicle of sorts or a new walker, the ork itself is also new model. Whatever it is it confirms that Orks are getting something, probably the last codex of the year and new models.

>>55163687
>>55163730
That's a good idea. I just have to learn how to greenstuff pirate hats.

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Primaris belong in the loo!

How would chosen with just combibolters fare? What would be the best legion for them?

>>55163743
>tiny waist
>placement of feet is odd
>is he landing? is he taking off? i bet he's dancing
>artist gave up on the wings
>also gave up on the fur
>gave up on the hair
>gave up on the pillars as well
>chest is huge
>hands are tiny
>scratch that both hands are weird

>>55163796

Been wanting to try this shit. 5 guys shooting 20 bolted shots. 10 in a rhino, black legion it up so they can advance and shoot if need be.

>>55163777
Honarabu dueling salute

>>55163631
if he was on terrain yes. being obscured doesn't do it in 8th anymore.

>>55163740

>Born to Die
Just like Lana del Ray

>>55163741

Well atleast these White Dwarfs are acknowledging Xenos rather than being manly marine magazines monthly

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>>55163639
Necrons, DO IT NOW

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>>55163678
Yes, you can drown a null in psychic power and blast him the fuck away if you are powerful enough.

>>55163490
Rolling on the river

>>55163796
AL, infiltrate for turn 1 dakka
>>55163817
It works well if your opponent has troops
But T5 and/or 2+ saves. You're just hoping to dice your opponent

>>55163740
Why does he look like some Slaanesh daemon came all over him ? He's covered in white spots.

>>55163777
He's trying to keep the cum out of his eyes.

>>55163686
>en those two
Is it me, or does it look like they added a KFF to it? Perhaps, like the Gorkanaut and Morkanaut, they will come up with a variation on the Deff Dred.
Just add a sprue.

>>55163783

If you have the magazine you can see that the upper body is quite high up compared to a normal deff dread. Also the base of the model is just behind the meganob. It looks to be of the same size as that tau ghost keel (is that it's name?)
As I say I've not played in years but I always loved the orks and it looks similar but different enough to not be deff dread.

Want to do my primaris guys up as Hawk Lords for that sweet purple armor, but the gold is gaudy so figure I'll pick a different company and deviate from the codex only on their one shoulder pads and just match the trim
5th company was wiped out (heroically) in 13th black crusade. Would it make sense to have my dudes be 5th company as reinforcements for easy black trim shoulders+Raven guard transfers or go 8th company for silver trim?
9th company for sweet hotline Miami aesthetics?
I realize that 8th and 9th company are heavy support squads but I got Hellblasters and aggressors anyway so that counts right?

>>55163777
It's an anime pose. He takes this stance right before he darts around your attacks, dodging as if teleporting, until he ends up behind you, when he utters his catch phrase

Ravioli Ravioli Give Me the Formuoli

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>>55163842

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>>55163735
>Orkimedes piloting a personal construct!?
>implying Orkimedes would actually bother to come out of his Mek shop just to krump some puny blueberries
The only thing that can get Orkimedes to come out of his workshop is Ghazghkull. He PIONEERED the school of "Too busy to give a fuck about what's going on" thought that ol' Cawl hails from.

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>>55163645

>>55163882
If its taller than a deff dread then it could be plastic deff koptas and its simply on a flyer stand or elevated in a similar way.

>>55163869
>>55163817
Figured AL would be best. Fluff wise they'd be supplemental to my 1ksons.

>>55163910
AL were fucking around on Fenris summoning Tzeentch Daemons before Magnus made his debut

>>55163888

So classic. So chrome.

>>55163888
That beaky skull is horrific...they uh, they don't really look like that?

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>>55163651
Here, to help you get a mecha-boner.

>>55163917
I like the AL memes but I figure these would just be dudes raised from the planet of sorcerors. Or maybe just up-armed tzaangors.

I think I'll do one random kairic acolyte in AL colors just so I can do an I AM ALPHARIUS at some point

>>55163917
The Alpha Legion also almost killed Harald Deathwolf, Wolf Lord of the Space Wolves chapter. But sadly some other SW character came in and overwolfed the AL

>>55163678
The Emperor was basically on a whole other level from anything else psychically.

>tfw you kinda wanted to start alpha legion but now they are the bandwagon army
How would an infantry heavy AL army of havocs, infiltrating chosen, and cultists do?
Wanted to buy some calth mark 4s and the chaplain along with some tartaros termies, trying to keep things on the cheap side

>>55163895
Where is that middle lord of change from anon?

>>55163963
Havocs, chosen and cultists is basically bog standard for AL. It'll work well enough.

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>>55163399
New player here. How do I make a list? Like, what's the best way to go about it? An Excel file?

>>55163984
I just write it out with notepad++.

>>55163984
Download BattleScribe for your computer or phone
You're welcome

>>55163457
As someone who selected an obscure Chapter right before it was fleshed out officially in a way that was totally counter to my plans... Go OC.

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>>55163954
>Or maybe just up-armed tzaangors.
You don't say?
>>55163972
Ultraforge, bought it long before the new LoC because I didn't like my DP being substantially larger than the tiny metal one

>>55163984
Just use battlescribe
It's real easy to use for new players, and makes everything way quicker

Don't listen to the autists that say it's bad

>>55163984
Battlescribe works well enough, don't rely on it, it gets things wrong.

Excel is great. Physical notepad too.

>>55163984

Pen and paper.

>>55163984
Excel file?!

Back in my day, groups made their lists like REAL MEN: with Paper and Pencil!

And we had to SHARE that pencil!

So anons.
I got bored and was thinking about building an all dreadnought list for no other reason other than to be silly.

How does this look?

2k points.

All Imperial Fists chapter tactics

Vanguard Detachment 1:

HQ:
Tech Marine w/ Plasma Pistol, Power Fist, Servo Harness, Armor Indominus 104pts

Elites:
3x Redemptor Dreadnought: 2x Fragstorm Launchers, Heavy Onslaught Gatling Cannon, Onslaught Gatling Cannon, Icarus Rocket Pod. 206pts each (618pts all together).


Vanguard Detachment 2:

HQ:
Techmarine: Powersword, Sero-arm, Bolt Pistol, 61pts

Elites:
3x Ironclad Dreadnoughts: 2x hunter killer missiles, Seismic Hammer, Ironclad Assault Launchers, Melta-gun, Dreadnought close combat weapon w/ storm bolter. 164 pts each (492pts total)


Vanguard Detachment 3:
HQ: Techmarine: Powersword, Servo-arm, bolt pistol 61pts.

Elite:
Contemptor Dreadnought: Combi-bolter, Dreadnought Close Combat weapon, Keres-Pattern assault Cannon (165 points)

Vendred: Assault Cannon, Dreadnought Close Combat Weapon, Heavy Flamer (168pts)

Vendred x2: Twinlinked Lascannon, Missile Launcher. (165points, 330pts total)

Total of 1999 points.

How stupid would this list be to run?

>>55164022
>>55164024
>>55164026

Pena and paper because it will help you in the long run. Use it at first and you'll eventually know what everythimg costs off the top of your head, and thoroughly know your army. Switch to BS eventually

>>55164005
Which chapter was it and how off were you?

>>55164029
>bro, let me borrow the pencil
>Uh, bro, I broke it
>I didn't bring a sharpener

>>55164022
>>55164024
>>55164026
>>55164029
>>55163994
Thanks, I'll use Battlescribe until I learn the system better, then I'll make your proud and use pen and paper before graduating to stone slab and chisel

>>55164029
>pencil
Look at this fancy ass faggot.
We had to chisel it on a stone tablet.

>>55164005
Tell us anon.

>>55164029
And the paper ! And then we had to save that piece of paper to have something to wipe our asses with after taking a shit ! And we had to share it for that as well !

>>55164074
>stone slab and chisel
Real men use fingerpaint on a cave wall

>>55164075
>chisel
Look at this fancy ass faggot.
We had to paint it on the cave walls with the blood of our kills.

>>55164080
And we had to share the shit!

>>55164097
>fingerpaint
Pussy.
You scratch the pad of your finger until it bleeds and use that

>>55164111
>Scratching in your hand
>Not scratching it into the dirt itself

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So as far as can tell with this rule you can use it as many times as you like, but you have to settle what units are using it before you know who has first turn. Is that right?

>>55164097
My dad said he wouldn't recognize me as his son until I can communicate my list to him with simple grunts and gestures

How do you start with Inquisition? I want to build an Ordo Hydra force.

>>55164128
You can only use each stratagem once per phase.

Fuck, I just want to know what the Ork klan traits will be.

I have 120 boys painted up, but now to keep going, I need to pick a klan color to include on everything else I want to get, life is suffering.

>>55164142
match play rules say that that only effects stratagems that happen during phases which this does not

>>55164136
Unironically RPG models.

>>55164128
Still have to have half your army on the table, but yes. You can burn CP for numerous units

Alpha Legion Battalion
>Chaos Lord - Combi-bolter
>Chaos Sorcerer w/Jump Pack - Force Sword, Combi-bolter
>5x Chaos Space Marines - Combi-plasma, Plasma
>5x Chaos Space Marines - Combi-plasma, Plasma
>5x Chaos Space Marines - Combi-plasma, Plasma

Alpha Legion Battalion
>Chaos Lord w/Jump Pack - Power Axe, Combi-bolter
>Winged Demon Prince - 2x Malefic Talons
>10x Cultists
>10x Cultists
>10x Cultists
>10x Berzerkers - 10x Chainswords, 10x Chainaxes
>10x Berzerkers - 10x Chainswords, 10x Chainaxes
>3x Obliterators

Alpha Legion Flyer Wing
>Heldrake - Baleflamer
>Heldrake - Baleflamer
>Heldrake - Baleflamer

>>55164151
Oh, then only half your army can hide.

Would-be Genestealer Cults player here. How good is a focus on acolytes, genestealers (and abberants), and Goliaths? I'm aiming for a more civilian force that's taken up arms with whatever they have, rather than involving the Imperial Guard.

I do intend to add in some Militarum Tempestus, due to ongoing fluff with a friend of mine. His Ordo Xenos inquisitor was trying to study the tyranid threat, and got killed in enough games to perma-die in our own little canon. So, his own acolytes were infected, and when they landed on the planet and were told to sweep the area, they instead shot him in the back and joined the population as military leaders.

>>55163895

>tfw bought a rubric squad
>going to paint it after i finish up DI

Can't wait to [ALL IS DUST] them

>>55164052
Please tell me you don't own 3 redemptors.

>>55164167
>>55164179

yeah, it is basically a deepstrike rule so I figured as much. I only plan on using it for 2 tops and they are cheap

>>55164147
>Picking a sub faction for an in-game advantage
>Rather than making your choice based on which fluff you like the most

GTFO you fucking WAACfaggot.

>>55164052

>Spaming loadouts instead of varying things
>No dreadnought HQs
>No forge world dreads
>Shitty choice of chapter tactics
>3 fucking Redemptors
>Las and missile dreads instead of real Mortis dreads

1/10, worst attempt at designing a pure dread list I've seen since 8th hit.

>>55164147
>need to pick a klan color
>Not going Freeboota with a bunch of mix-n-match klan colors so you can paint your models any klan you want

What just kinda grot are you anon?

>>55164162
What do you mean?

>>55164147
You'll have;
>stealthy orks
>shooty orks
>choppy orks
>meky orks
>tough orks
>and flying orks

You're welcome.

>>55164052
This anon >>55164209 is right

An all dreadnought list is an opportunity for each dread to be a snowflake and wysiwyg

>>55164193
I don't.
Was just thinking about doing an all dreadnought list.

>>55164209
I'm staying away from FW but I am considering tweaking one of the Ironclads and Redemptors so breaks the loadouts up.

And the chapter decision is because MUH SNOWFLAKE otherwise I'd probably be dropping Iron Hands.

>>55164005
What chapter was it?

>>55164142
>>55164167
the main question I have is that these rules explicitly say that I have to select the units before we know who has turn 1, correct? I would prefer to use it after turn 1 is established but idk if that is in the RAW

>>55164147
What clan do you like the best?

>>55164241
Their troops seem to be a random mixture of acolytes that would not stand out in a Fantasy RPG.

Alternatively, make a bunch of uniform troops, two with plasma.

>>55163399
How does this look fellow sons of dorn?

I have enough points left for another razorback, or another centurion

+++ pedro (Warhammer 40,000 8th Edition) [70 PL, 1373pts] +++

++ Battalion Detachment +3CP (Imperium - Space Marines) [70 PL, 1373pts] ++

+ No Force Org Slot +

**Chapter Selection**: Crimson Fists

+ HQ +

Pedro Kantor [9 PL, 170pts]

Primaris Lieutenants [10 PL, 149pts]
. Primaris Lieutenant: Power sword
. Primaris Lieutenant: Master-crafted stalker bolt rifle

+ Troops +

Scout Squad [6 PL, 90pts]: 5x Camo cloak
. Scout Sergeant: Bolt pistol, Sniper rifle
. 4x Scout w/Sniper Rifle: 4x Sniper rifle

Tactical Squad [9 PL, 172pts]
. 7x Space Marine
. Space Marine Sergeant: Bolt pistol, Combi-melta
. Space Marine w/Heavy Weapon: Heavy bolter
. Space Marine w/Special Weapon: Meltagun

Tactical Squad [9 PL, 172pts]
. 7x Space Marine
. Space Marine Sergeant: Bolt pistol, Combi-plasma
. Space Marine w/Heavy Weapon: Heavy bolter
. Space Marine w/Special Weapon: Plasma gun

+ Elites +

Apothecary [3 PL, 55pts]

+ Heavy Support +

Centurion Devastator Squad [19 PL, 465pts]
. Centurion: Centurion missile launcher, Two Lascannons
. Centurion: Centurion missile launcher, Two Lascannons
. Centurion Sergeant: Centurion missile launcher, Two Lascannons

+ Dedicated Transport +

Razorback [5 PL, 100pts]: Twin assault cannon

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>>55164029
You had the chance to be bad at maths BEFORE you joined my beloved hobby! But to guide you back on the true path, I brough this motivational pencil.
Our big blue style cannot be defeated!

>What about those Conscript spammers?
We've all run the simulations, they're tough, but they ain't invincible. Stay with the Marine player, he'll know what to do.

>>55164249
Yeah, I'm starting to re-think it now as I kinda get stuck on uniformity with units.

I need to think of it more as a list of independent characters than a list of units.

I've got around Two dreadnoughts right now so its one of those things where I'm going to slowly build it up over time.

>>55164266
Anon, it's alternate deepstrike.
Why the fuck would knowing who has T1 make a difference?

>>55164299
It does
>>55164266
You can't

>>55164253

>I'm staying away from FW

Then don't do a dread army, you only have 5 units, three have very limited wargear options and one of them is essentially just a 20 point upgrade of another.

>>55164243
How the fuck would a meky Ork trait and a flying Ork trait work

>>55164188
Acolytes are garbage this edition compared to before. Genestealers and Goliaths are both great though.

>>55164299
it isn't exactly a deepstrike. you jump out as soon as T1 starts which could bone my dudes if I have T2

>>55164307
welp, I guess I can use it to put a havoc squad in cover so they don't need to move but now I am a lot less excited about it

>>55164052
If you want pure dreads consider Blood Angels, you get three more options including a HQ without needing FW

>>55163943
Thanks friend. Just discovered Red Talons. Holy shit they Flesh Eaters for Iron Hands how does that work?

>daemons are a melee army
>a psyker melee army
>no transports
>no deepstrike
>1/4 of the faction can't take psykers
Why does GW hate half of Chaos?
CSM didn't get raped by 8th edition this hard.

>>55164307
>>55164340
My bad, misread it

>>55164364
>Cornflakes can't take psykers
no shit, what'd you expect. keep spamming those horrors you shitters

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>>55164364
>if it's not one(or both) side(s) of Chaos players complaining it's the other

>>55164338
Damn. Guess that's gonna be for fluff-only games. How are Abberants? I could be convinced to run a Vanguard with a Patriarch, Genestealers, and Abberants and use the tempestus for bodies

>>55164375
np my pic came out tiny. Would you use this strat, or would you just forget about it?

>>55164364
The codex isn't even out yet you tard.

>>55164377
I don't want to play Tzeentch Daemons.
I'm not Khorne daemons either
>>55164381
>Why is my army shit?
>Stop complaining your allies are doing fine
I have a follow up question, why are you such a cunt?

>>55164351
That's another option.
Would let me sneak in some more Dreds to the list while letting me actually do something in the psychic phase.

>>55164308
I'm staying out of FW because I don't want to start harvesting orphan organs quite yet.

I may do the Blood Angels option that the other anon suggested for even more Drednoughts.

>>55164416
I don't know. Why do Chaos players have to be whining about SOMETHING 95% of the time?

>>55163632
does that sob have stubble

>>55164382
Haven't tried them but some people say they're pretty good. They're glass cannons so don't expect them to survive if they get shot at but if you can Ambush them into melee they should wreck shit with the hammers.

>>55164284
>marine player
>knowing what to do
5/10 "stay with the Inquisitor" would had been better

>>55164398
Terrain would be a decider for me

Can they hide behind a wall and not be seen if T1 goes to my opponent but be able to walk around

Alternatively, throw some cultists somewhere out of LOS in their deployment. They have to deal with them or face risk a charge and having a valuable gun unable to shoot

>>55163796
>>55163817
Given how much people have been wanking SoB w/ stormbolters, I guess this could work.

>>55164433
It is probably supposed to represent shadowing like maybe under the jaw.
But yeah, looks like stubble.

>>55164322
>Meky ork
Can take other factions vehicle for their point cost but with BS 5+
>Flying ork
Bonuses to flyers to hit or save
>>55164243
>>55164147
What would snakebites be? All orks get a 6++ for being tuff as ol boots? T5? Can take fantasy squigs?

>>55164415
Even before the codices were released we were the worst army unless we spammed Horrors.
In an attempt to nerf daemons they managed to make everything except the quarter of the faction that actually needed the nerf unplayable.
How the hell does anyone fuck up that badly?
This is why I find it annoying whenever anyone says "most playtested edition" it feels like they didn't have a single daemons player test it except Tzeentch daemons.
>>55164428
>our models are either old as shit or ugly as sin
>had some good models for Daemonettes briefly in the past but GW scrapped them for basically no reason
>focus on one god at a time
If you're a chaos player and you don't play Nurgle or Tzeentch GW hates you, that's why.

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Can Alpha Legion use Forward Operatives to infiltrate multiple units?

>>55164322
>meky orks: 6+ to ignore a wound
>flying orks: infantry can fallback and still assault

>>55164479

Yes.

One Klan will get a take a looted vehicle rule
#BELIEVE

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>>55164456
The reason why SoB work is because they can spam 3 to 5 Storm Bolter depending on the units rather cheaply.
Along with double shooting in case you want to brrrrrrrt something in particular.
Oh and rather decent transport for cheap Immolator and Repressor

>>55164279
Why Primaris lietenants? Take regular lieutenants and save yourself some points

>>55163984
Scratch it onto a stone tablet

>>55164351
>>55164308
As an aside.
I re-did the list and found that I can keep the same number of dreds while giving each dreadnought a unique loadout that's more than just "This one has a heavy flamer instead of a storm bolter!"

Blood angels are interesting but the downside is no ironclads

>>55164573
>Blood angels are interesting but the downside is no ironclads
It's a shame but librarians are worth it, furiosos are neat too

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>>55164356
>The Red Talons were founded from a portion of the Iron Hands Legion's Morragul Clan, made up primarily of outcasts and the most unstable elements of the X Legion, who fought and died under the merciless command of their bloody-handed Clan commander, the Iron-Lord Autek Mor. The Red Talons' Fortress-Monastery is located on their homeworld of Raikan.

>Since their founding at the end of the Great Scouring, the Red Talons have been known for their bold style of warfare and never-ending vendetta against the Traitor Legions. Several times the Lords of Terra have tasked the Red Talons with hunting down and destroying Renegade Chapters.

Autek Mor is a scary motherfucker, you might want to download the HH red book from the /hhg/ general to learn more about him and the IH in general. He dropped a whole moon on a WE recruiting world, just sayin.
You can read the pdf I just posted for inspirations for some Red Talons if you want.

>>55164555
I have very little in the way of models that can handle close combat, so the primaris being a bit tougher fits that. Also the other one gets the heavy bolter rifle.

Do you think regular would be better?

I could have a primaris troop squad

>>55163490
>>55163533
>>55163866
double dubs demands pics boys!
rolling for the 7th

>>55164526
All clans should get a looted vehicle rule, but Blood Axe and Deathskull should get a bonus to that rule.

>>55164612
I recognize those models! Seeing your minis on 4x2chan was what inspired me to start drilling my bolters

>>55164604
Yeah.
I may need to think long and hard about it but I think I can do an all/mostly dreadnought list with each being unique.

It's gonna be a stupid list but I think it'll be kinda fun.

Worst comes to worst, I lose one command point, merge two of the detachments, and drop some techmarines to get a Librarian dread in there so I have most of them represented.

>>55163798
Don't forget about the termies standing there like plain autists

>>55164612
Okay I'm sold. I also have some shitty red hunters I got second hand I can just repaint the trim and Aquilla on to make them Red Talons.
That pic makes me super discouraged though since I know they won't be that good.

>>55164670
They're not mine I'm afraid. I post them whenever I want to show the good results someone can get by doing the simple basic techniques flawlessly, kinda like Duncan.

>>55164698
It's like when you lift anon. Look up to the people better than you as an objective to attain, something that pulld you up towards new heights, not as something that you won't ever be able to do.

Just practice over and over, look up many tutorials, try some new stuff once in a while, listen to advice and don't forget to post your pogress here and on /wip/.

>>55164740
>post your progress here
You say that but....

>>55164441
Good idea. I was planning on using my cultists but I was thinking about leaving most of them with guns so they can harass from the rear easier

>>55163860
I call bullshit

>>55164755
Nulls create a void. Psykers, an excess. It is hard for that excess to fill the void, but in the end, possible.

>>55164740
Iron Hands have FNP and an ignore move and shoot heavy strat right? Anything else that makes them unique?

>>55164813
Relic and warlord trait, otherwise just fluff

>>55164792
If magnus couldn't do it, then that pretty much leaves only the emperor

A sister killing an a culexus is just fluff rape though

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>>55163399
So for Intercessors auxillary grenade launcher. I'm not seeing the points value for it in the Codex. Is is the Astartes grenade launcher?

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>>55164832
>Not knowing about Ephrael "Empress" Stern

Come on anon, go read Daemonifuge, its a cool bit of 40k.

>>55164645
Knights of Blood have a bitching color scheme and a good background, renegade still trying to help the Imperium and rushing to the BA's aid several time. Definitely an interesting chapter

>>55164828
Oh and it looks like Red Talons have a named Contemptor in fluff. I call that justification to use FW I there ever was one.

>>55164751
But? Post it on /wip/ if you're afraid of the shitposting.

>>55164813
Aren't they good with Tanks as well?

>>55164863
I wonder if they are still a thing, could've been lost during the Baal invasion, maybe even forgiven and given a new beginning via Primaris marines.

>>55163524
Artist goes by SexualYeti. Google him.

>>55164875
The stratagem can be used on tanks so you can have full speed razorbacks hitting on 3+

>>55163601
>>55163627
>>55163633
YOU'RE NOT THE BOSS OF ME NOW

>>55164838
It's in the errata I think

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So when is Orkimedes' tellyporta gonna start workin' again?

That is to say, do you think the Tellyporta will have a hand in a Klan Tactic or Ork Strategem? Waaagh! Ghazghkull was almost dedicated to getting boyz to deep strike.

>>55164891
You mean preds right?

>>55163721
I just sent an email to GeeDubs that if they introduce Skaven in 40k, I'll spend $6,000 on their models

I've also begun the first of many plastic surgeries to make me look more like a Skaven

>>55163490
Emperor grant me a sign

>>55163399

Out of these names, which sounds the best:

> The Eyes of the Emperor
> The Hallowed
> The Emperor's Finest
> The Emperor's Seekers

I'm making a new chapter, with an orange, black, and grey color scheme (eyes slots are blue). I'm fluffing them as a Cursed Founding chapter, characterised by extreme paranoia. Usually, they're chasing shadows, but every so often they'll uncover some diabolical conspiracy and save the day. Their paranoia is one of the only reasons they've survived threats from the inquisition.

>>55164916
Why not both?

>>55164878
They probably are. We know that several Chapter Masters died furing the invasion of Baal by the Nids, but no Chapter as a whole was written off.

>>55164919
>Mantis Warriors
the sign is death

>>55164901
Can you repeat the question?

>>55164902
It actually doesn't list anything for the auxillary grenade launcher and I just looked it over twice

https://www.games-workshop.com/resources/PDF/Errata/Warhammer_40000/Codex_Space_Marines_ENG.pdf

>>55164931
Oh wait I'm retarded, I thought the first guy said Iron Warriors for some reason.

Still, preds probably more cost effective unless you're doing some pleb shit like NOT bringing an all tanks and dreads IH list.

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>>55164433

>>55163447
For the love of god please tell me they aren't actually called 'wolf claws'

>>55164919
>>55164937
Or super fast ninjas.

>>55164921
>The Eyes of the Emperor
I did this one the most. "The Hallowed Seekers" would be pretty boss, too.
"The Emperor's Finest" is a phrase you'll hear used to refer to the Astartes in general, so it might be an awkward official name for a chapter.

why do razorbacks look so fucking bad?

could they not have just put the guns on the side?

>>55164862
>Random psyker that is as powerful as the emperor but never mentioned anywhere else in the lore

Yeah, cool maybe, but pretty sure you can't consider that canon

>>55165005
The sides used to be access points, when access points were a thing.

>>55164947
Actually, alongside the auxillary grenade launcher question I have another regarding Aggressors.

Do you have to buy each gauntlet or just one? Seems pretty expensive if you have to buy two gauntlets per Aggressor. And in the shooting phase section it says you choose to fire with every non-pistol or every pistol type weapon you have. Does this mean a single Aggressor can fire his Boltstorm gauntlets and his Fragstorm grenades in oen turn or is it just choose one weapon?

>>55164921
Eyes of the Emperor

Also I'm picturing them being like the DCAU version of The Question and that's a good thing

>>55164999
>At last the Emperor's finest have arrived, from what chapter do they hail?
>The Emperor's Finest
>Yes I know, but which chapter
>They are the Emperor's Finest
>Do you want to die today?
>Privaticus Stevenious said probably Ultramarines

>>55165051
If it doesn't say "equipped with 2 X" in the datasheet, you only pay for 1.

>>55164947
It's right there at the end you blind faggot

>>55163984
Battlescribe will open a whole new world for you my man.

I spend so much time just stuffing around with lists when I am bored.

>>55165090
How the shit did I miss that. I'm a blind faggot

>>55165086
Thanks

The Immaterium is weird and has been known to use mortal psykers as funnels of immense warp energy. So, while while nobody in the Imperium can even come close to the Emperor, Magnus, or other Alpha-Plus psykers in *ability*, massive uncontrollable surges do occasionally happen... though the bearers of such power usually blow up or are torn apart by daemons before long. Beta-level psykers like Ezekiel and Mephiston have been able to, at times, fill much of the void created by an Omega-level null, for example.

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>>55164947
You're a special kind of retard

>>55165051
Read, nigga! Read!

Aggressors have Auto Boltstorm Gauntlets, which are a) assault weapons and b) purchased as a pair.

Jesus Christ how are you this dense.

>>55165064
It's the Imperium's version of Abbot and Costello's "Who's on First" routine.

Abbotus and Costelliel.

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Chapters you want to know more about

This marine is from the Angels of Iron chapter. Why dies he have so many purity seals? There is no fluff written about them, but in every of their admittedly few renditions they're plastered with the things.

I'm imagining a chapter that's a bit insecure about their place in the world, with their commanders constantly inventing new battle honours and trophies which they hand out liberally.

>best shot with the mkIV pattern Las cannon
>field badge for reassembling rhino tracks
>shiniest armor three campaigns running commendation

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>>55165064
>Okay so let's try this again
>these Astartes that are showing up, what chapter are they?
>Emperor's Finest
>I know they're the Emperor's Finest I'm asking which chapter they hail from
>Which chapter who hails from?
>The Emperor's Finest!
>What about them?
>Which chapter do our astartes reinforcements come from?
>Emperor's Finest
>What chapter are these Emperor's Finest?
>Which Emperor's Finest?
>That's what I'm asking you!

>>55165190
Nice. 10/10

>>55165159
Partially dense, partially new, mostly retarded

Trying my best to learn the system, although the auxillary grenade launcher oversight was really just a genuine lack of brain power

I need some help naming my Archon. A quick vote would be greatly appreciated.

http://www.strawpoll.me/13835069

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what do you guys think of my prototype kit-bashed sabre defense platforms?

>>55165181
More like NONE PURER marines I believe.

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I'm wanting to achieve this gold on my DE army. Which paints, shades, etc. would i have to use to get 'er done senpai?

Any help would be appreciated!

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>>55163645
instead of painting one great army this summer I painted four decent ones

Chaosfags better be sending out nothin' but soul grinders to tie this campaign!

>>55165347
Nor bad at all, I like it. If you want tracks, tripods and wheels for HW teams, you might want to look at Anvil Industry.

http://anvilindustry.co.uk/Regiments/regiments-heavy-support-weapons

>>55165374

I would do

>runic gold over white basecoat
>agrax wash
>drybrush with a bright metallic silver

>>55165374
Looks like a lightened up, less shiny Sycorax bronze to me.

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Did Chart-kun end up finishing the Chaos Roll Table? I've been so excited for that to be posted.

>>55165467
I don't think there are enough warbands for him to. The amount of warbands in the fluff without even a color scheme, let alone a symbol, is criminal honestly.

>>55164279
I would drop any small tactical squad you can't fit in a transport. Aside from caddying a marine with a heavy weapon, minimum size tactical squads on foot are gonna find it hard to contribute properly unless the list is designed around them.

So both in razors (at 5 or 6 man for capacity).

Since you really only need one lt to hang out with the centurion blobs for rerolls, why not make one a regular lt and send him off with the tacticals in one of their razorbacks? Or if you want to double down on the aura buff blob zone with pedro, lt, and apothecary on the centurions, maybe bring an ancient or a librarian.

>>55165345
just name him prince nigger jew you faggot

>>55165518
No repeating digits, sorry fampai.

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>>55163399
Attempting to make an infantry only Primaris chapter. How's it look? Probably like shit but it's my first list ever

Points Total: 993/1000
White Scars Chapter Tactics
Battalion Detachment = 6CP
Use 3 CP to turn my Gravis Captain into my Chapter Master

>HQ
Gravis Captain w/ Armor Indomitus 137 pts
Primaris Chaplain 85 pts

>Troops
Intercessors x5 - Bolt Rifles, Aux Grenades, Power Sword 124 pts
Intercessors x5 - Bolt Rifles, Aux Grenades, Power Sword 124 pts
Intercessors x4 - Bolt Rifles, Aux Grenades, Power Sword 104 pts

>Elites
Aggressor Squad - Boltstorms and Fragstorms 129
Aggressor Squad - Boltstorms and Fragstorms 129

>Heavy Suport
Hellblasters - Plsma Incinerators, Bolt pistols 165 pts

Man Battlescribe really is the best way to do this shit

>>55165511
I appreciate the comment and will respond in a bit with more in depth questions :)

Am in the middle of a WoW raid

>>55165504
Well that sucks. Chaos Warbands need more novels written on them.

Has anyone converted the Gravis Captain into something different completely?

>>55165525
>White Scars

For what purpose?

What are the cheapest armies to field a typical force (1000-2000 pts)

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>>55165574

>>55165536
Is 7.3 any good? Haven't played since 7.2.5 came out a while back.

>>55165467
>>55165504
>>55165549
Indeed, unfortunately there just isn't enough warbands with a color scheme. I'll see if I can oull dome out of god knows where during my roadtrip, but I wouldn't hold my breath if I were you.

>>55165525
Looks good. Some inceptors would be nice but not at the cost of cutting anything you have

>>55165511
Yes, I am absolutely trying to maximize aura effects for my army. Toward that goal I went with the chapter master buff from pedro, the wound reroll from the lieutennants, and the apothecary for wounds on them and the centurions.

In order to fit an ancient, I would need another elite slot wouldn't I?

>>55165599
I enjoy it, but I am weird. The storyline is very fun

>>55165525
Looks alright for a Infantry-only army but personally I'd try and squeeze in some Auto-Bolt rifles or Assault Incinerator things so you can make use of your chapter tactic even more.

Nothing is scarier than a unit of Intercessors advancing 14' and then getting to shoot 10 shoots at you.

Also Reivers are cool units; a squad of ten with knives can get 31 Attacks. With the White Scars ability to fall back then charge in, you can do some pretty outrageous shit with that.

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>>55163490
les'go

>>55165590
Chaos Space Marines.
Dark Apostle is 28$ and a box of CSM contains 10 models which is two units.
Both Chaos Lord and Sorcerer basic kits are roughly 30$ as well.

>>55165620
I was watching the new cutscene last night and I'm tempted to log back in. Do you have to finish the quest where you find all the stupid shards to revive Illidan before you can get to Argus? Because I never finished that shit.

>>55164999
>>55165056
>>55165064

Eyes of the Emperor it is, I was planning on having their sigil be an open eye anyway. Their motto can be "We see all."

>>55165574
The main purpose was the added mobility on an advance coupling with a bunch of assault weapons to make up for the fact that I have no wheels to get me anywhere

>>55165626
I was considering Reivers since I love melee but I've heard that pistol + knife isn't their most optimal set up. Are they actually good in melee or just kinda meh? If they're not super useful I'll stick to the Aggressors, although swapping out one squad of Aggressors with like, 2 squads of Reivers could be cool.

>>55165590
Wraithguard Eldar

What are good low-model-count armies? I like having a small, elite, specialized force, but 8e doesn't seem to like that.

Fuck Space Marines
Especially Raven Guard

>>55165659
>The main purpose was the added mobility on an advance coupling with a bunch of assault weapons to make up for the fact that I have no wheels to get me anywhere

In that case you better take some assault weapons. Right now you mostly have rapid fire.

>>55165693
Deathwatch, Grey Knights, Thousand Sons, Imperial Knights, Custodes.

>planet ownership is 80% Imperium
>chaos dominates all three regions

The fuck?

>>55165662
>>55165636

Elite armies then?
I think I'll math things out later

>>55165637
Nope, can do it from login.

>>55165698
Someone just got buttfucked by some sneaky beakies.

>>55165659
>I was considering Reivers since I love melee but I've heard that pistol + knife isn't their most optimal set up.

While that may be true for some armies, you are using White Scar rules. Being able to fall back out of combat and charge is a pretty strong ability. With Knife Loadout, you double your attack output by being in close combat essentially, while making use of your morale ability.

Besides, they act as good tie-up units with that falling back ability. First turn you drop in, charge a infantry unit and slice them up. On your turn 2, instead of staying in combat with them, you can back off and charge a tank to stop it from shooting that turn, or charge another infantry unit to tie them up while the rest of your army plays catch up.

>>55165722
I like Deathwatch and Custodes. Where should I look for decent sample lists for ideas on what works well and what to get?

>>55165729

Imperialcucks will continue to deny it's rigged

>>55165698
That -1 to hit fucking the shooting?

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>>55165749
This is Anime New Network review averaging levels of number fudging.

>>55165712
Yeah I just noticed. The Hellblasters were there for more long range fire support and to help hold points on the map. Maybe I'll change their weapon, although the extra attack from rapid fire is tempting. Also >>55165742 is making a strong case for getting rid of Hellblasters entirely for 2 squads of Reivers, but I think I'd have to sacrifice some Aggressors to do so.

What would be better for the purposes of strike hard and fast? White Scar Reivers or White Scar Aggressors?

>>55165698
Raven guard tactic barely matters at all
I played a game against them last week, and the -1 only came up once, and even then it was of no consequence

>>55165733
Oh thank god. Absolutely fuck that retarded quest.

>>55165693
Any cult legion of CSM is by definition an elite specialised force, your troops are elites.
Example did a 750 point game against a friend, he brought 2 tac marines and a devastator squad, as well as Vulkan and a predator.
I brought Noise Marines, Daemon Prince, Exalted Champion and a Sonic Helbrute.
He outnumbered me by a large margin, my guns were better after I managed to get his predator off the field.
Also all the cult units have special abilities to set them apart from the basic Chosen elite option, as well as special wargear options.

>>55165729
Gotta make a chaos victory to make it look like Mortarion is a threat.

Imagine if GW hadn't rigged the numbers, the Imperium would have won every single planet, by a very fucking wide margin.

Mortarion's coming would have been weird:

>BEHOLD MORTALS, I AM THE CHOSEN OF NURGLE AND I SHALL SPREAD HIS DISEASES ON YOUR WORTHLEDS LI-...wait, where are my armies? Why did I just pop alone in a completely fortified Imperial system that easily repulsed every invasion on every world?

As it stands, GW will have chaos win so that Mortarion has a reason to come, because that huge planet has infested the whole system or whatnot.

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>>55165773
alternate pic

Made some OC donut steel for my thousand sons derivative warband, can anyone tell me if it's edgy/marysue/boring or whatever?

>Two companies of thousand sons legionnaires were on a mission to investigate flash warp storms and the random appearance of daemons within a imperial system
>After fighting a bunch of daemons, they discover the source is from the local hive world
>They figure out a large chaos cult has taken root in the hive world and is attempting to bait a variety of daemon, xenos, and imperium troops to create a massive warzone and devastate the system, hopefully getting the attention of the chaos gods
>As the two companies take down the cult, they discover a terminator sorcerer has been guiding them
>Said sorcerer is at some point backed into a corner, and in a desperate attempt to salvage his operation he opens a huge warp rift, sucking himself, cultists, and almost one of the entire space marine companies
>This warp rift slowed the fluxes in the remaining legionnaires' gene seed, but left them with a partial amnesia. They presumed those lost in the warp rift to be dead.
>The surviving company would eventually go on to provide the foundation for the Blood Ravens
>However, the other company which went through the rift, affected in the same way as the legionnaires in the materium, also sustained a memory loss and geneseed mending, however their memory loss was more severe
>This also applied to the cultists and sorcerer who went through with them. After they all came to consciousness, they decided to band together to survive and thrive within the warp
>Eventually their warband began receiving "gifts" of tzeentch and were sometimes forcibly reacquainted with the post-heresy thousand sons proper.
>This band soon became known as the [[I need a name for the warband dubs decides]] and are still led by the sorcerer.

I have yet to come up with names for the characters/places, but I hope there aren't too many plot holes or inconsistencies.

>>55165730
Model all the CSM as Chosen for a real elite force if you want, then they're even more points.
Alternatively, grab Noise Marine and/or Sonic Weapon Upgrade kits, they're resin which is annoying but they're not too expensive and Noise Marines are the best.

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>>55165698
Ooooooooh. Sounds like some NPCs are struggling against toughness 4 and -1 to hit.

>>55165808
>Good mech designs
>Ending was too deep

Holy shit
this retard is fucking gold

>>55165784
>The Hellblasters were there for more long range fire support and to help hold points on the map. Maybe I'll change their weapon, although the extra attack from rapid fire is tempting.

Wot? Bro, the list you posted has default weapons for Intercessors and Hellblasters. If you want to abuse WS tactics swap everything for the assault versions.

All this memeing over soul grinders but nobody mentions Plague Hulks? Sad!

>>55165830
Says worthless garbage being carried by broken rules.

>>55164832
I'm pretty certain he exploded on his own, something he ate that morning or something. Stern just got lucky.

>>55165729
They broke the UI

>>55165849
No, you're right. I'm sitting in this weird position of "ASSAULT EVERYTHING" and "Rapid Fire would be good for point defense". I need to take advantage of my tactics and commit to one strategy or the other. I'm gonna redo this list

>>55165841
ANN does atrocious reviews for /m/ related anime, the board got pissy ever since they started doing gundam reviews. The commenting sheeple that agree with the reviews are just the worst.

Forgot to check responses a few threads ago: would it be possible to kitbash SoS and daemonettes legs/chests?

>>55165851
This brings up a good point, why were plague hulks not carried over in Warhammer Fantasy? Soul Grindrs clearly were.

>>55165852
Why have Imperial citizens mine salt when it's obtained so easily from the Xenos?

>>55165874
probably when they "fixed" the last planet display.

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Have to say, I really like this new cover. A very nice rendition of the old well known artwork.

>>55165784
>making a strong case for getting rid of Hellblasters entirely
>getting rid of Hellblasters

Might be a bit risky senpai. unless you're really good at keeping armoured stuff occupied or are versing squishy enemies like Tau, you might be in for a bit of a rough ride with most of your stuff hitting at S4.

Although you still do have your Aux Grenade Launchers, they aren't nearly as reliable as a Plasma Incinerator.

But to answer your question, Reivers. Drop them in, tie shit up, kill shit, wait for your chaplain to make his way down the board, then murder stuff extra hard. Aggressors are great, but their problem is while they advance, they are hitting on 4's, which kinda lessens how amazing they are (unless you take flamethrowers, but at that point, most of the stuff that needs to die will have been killed by Reivers)

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Tactic questions for EC noise marines. Should I run some chaos lords with my globs of noiseboys? Would it be worth for the rerolls on so many shots and all that?

If so, should i equip him with some a combi-something and PW or dual plas pistols?

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>>55165617
Yup. Though he's only really useful when someone dies, so while you get a 50/50 free shooting attack when any of your cents would die, I'm not sure how worth it that is when there's not a whole lot of guys to die with. (have personally had pretty vicious results with hellblasters, though) While more expensive, librarian would be nice for the might of heroes, not that being T6 is particularly better than being T5 against most things anymore, but still. Could also keep you from getting smited to death.

Man, Pedro gives you an extra attack aura too, huh? That's pretty sweet. I'm not sure what I'd do with that, but it's pretty sweet.

>>55165918
>Primaris
>in one of the oldest and most iconic pieces of art for 40k

Disgusting

>>55165919
>Aggressors are great, but their problem is while they advance, they are hitting on 4's,
Read the aggressor rules

>>55165919
But don't Aggressors ignore the to-hit penalty for advancing with an Assault weapon?

>>55165940
For the cost of a lord, you can probably get in another 4-5 noise marines, which might end up with more shots than 10 marines with rerolls

>>55165919
>>Inb4 anon's mind is blown by how fast aggressors can move and shoot with no penalty, especially when their advance is psykered by a storm-wizard.

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>>55165918
Igor Sid does fine art.

>>55164364
Because they deserve to be hated, duh.

>>55165940
Get a Daemon Prince of Slaanesh that knows Prescience to chill with the Noise Bros.
Use Endless Cacophony on the Squad you cast Prescience on.
Remember to use Music of the Apocalypse to wreck face during your opponents own turn and watch them suddenly become wary about shooting the marines that make 3 2+ to hit shooting attacks with rerolls of 1 during when they die.

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>>55165981
Didn't he do pic related as well? He's pretty fucking good yeah.

>>55165823
Side note: this is my first time Your Dudes-ing before.

>>55165784
Keep the hellblasters, they're the only anti armour you have. The assault gun doesn't get much mileage out of the white scars rule simply because the range is so long that you'd rarely need to advance with them.

>>55165955
>>55165957
Oh shit you're right. Then that really makes this a harder choice. For a fully maxed out unit of those dudes, you are paying an extra 58pts more than a Reiver squad but for 36 shots guaranteed, plus maybe an extra 36 if the dice like you, plus toughness 5...yeah go with the Aggressors.

>>55165973
You have no idea my dude.

What's a good way to start a Custodes-centric army?

>inb4 Talons of the Emperor
I'm not planning on running the SoS, so it'd just be a waste.