/wfg/ Warhammer Fantasy General

>>55153333
By Grimnir...

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>>55153333

>>55153333
Wait a minute... those aren't goblin green bases.
That image and argument are too modern to take seriously.

>>55153333

What does /tg/ think is worse?

>Option A: Never having a chance to play WHFB and owning none of the models but getting interested in the game just before it was scrapped.
>Option B: Owning and playing WHFB for ages and seeing the setting scarped.

I myself never had a chance to play and feel a little sad I will never have a chance to see the game in it's prime.

>>55153333
>Adapt to your opponent

But shouldn't your opponent also adapt to you?
What happens when both players become an amorphous mass?

>>55153462
Option C: watch the shills and deluded cretins praise AoS

>>55153491
>Option D: Stay salty for two years running

Why Current Warhammer total war follows old lore and not AoS?

>>55153499
>I can't like a dead thing
>>55153511
Because who the fuck wants to play that lore? Lol

>>55153462
I went into a shop the other day and was so disheartened and uninspired by what's happened to this game. Just as I was about to rekindle my childhood interest and explore it to the max! The hub, the core, has rotten from the inside to the out.

Still, plenty of sources for models etc elsewhere.

I'm looking to do some LoZ moblin-style orc conversions —I'm sure I remember seeing bulldog miniatures with Bretonnians (or someone) in old White Dwarf mags, but I'm drawing blanks searching the web.

May end up simply sculpting the pig/dog jowls myself but would like to patch together existing parts as well —can anyone point me at any bulldog-ish miniatures they know of?

>>55153527
You mean not even GW ups wanted to make a game to make current lore more popular?

>>55153499
Option E: Shill for GW and be a despicable mouthbreather

>>55153527
>>I can't like a dead thing

Said no one.

>>55153544
>Option D

>>55153541
They just don't care. AoS was just barely successful because 40k 7th sucked. Now their gold eggs chicken is back on track and AoS will just receive some bland update to Stormcasts from time to time

>>55153604
>their gold eggs chicken is back on track
How? It looked just as bad as AoS

>>55153642
8th seemed mostly successful so far, and people are swarming all over the new primarines

>>55153563
>Option E

>>55153511
Maybe because it was cheaper to buy the rights for a WF game than for AoS.
And because humans fighting over a magic planet (which is nonetheless is still grounded in reality) makes more sense for a total war game than infinite daemons vs the emprah's fury fighting over realms of infinite size

>>55153642
>How?

It's the most popular edition ever.

>It looked just as bad as AoS

Maybe this is why Fantasy died/

>>55153665
Where did I shill for GW?
Not being pissy two years later doesn't mean I'm pro AoS.

>>55153661
Ehh, I'm not sure if it has the potential to become same kind of top dog as 40k was in the past. Many people are dusting their old armies to give it a go, but it's more like a secondary or tertiary game to many. Still better than not in consideration at all.

>>55153511
AoS has no lore to speak of.

CA also recognized the absurdly high marketability in the Old World.

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Which lore of magic is your favourite?

>>55153676
>Not being pissy two years later doesn't mean I'm pro AoS

Yes it does.

>>55153679
Still GW's best seller

>>55153688
Amethyst.

>>55153689
Operating on what logic?

>>55153681
AoS has lore, but it's overall nebulous. Literally Whatever: the Setting

>>55153690
Not claiming otherwise. It's definitely more popular than the previous edition, it's just that the market is less homogeneous than in the past.

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>>55153333
The holy number has appeared and the stars aligned themselves, let the ritual begin.

>>55153721
Oh yeah, they fucked up hard, and they actually have competitors now, which I believe is a good thing

>>55153706
When your setting is less solid than World of Niggers, you basically don't have a setting at all.

>>55153735
>Oh yeah, they fucked up hard

They're bigger than ever.

>they actually have competitors now

Their biggest competitor, Warmahordes just ate a big turd sandwich. Games Workshop are now in a very strong position.

>>55153784
>what is disney

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>>55153462
Probably B. Sure you might have a chance to move on, but there are all these memories tied to WHFB, and either way it'll be harder to find players and get the sort of games you used to have.

At least with A, you can stay focused on the setting for a little while without really forming a strong connection. When your interest wanes you go do something else - that's what I did during the End Times, though I obviously came back to the setting.

>>55153734
By our powers combined, we are massively butthurt over everything GW does.

>>55153792
Not in competition with GW?

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>>55153688
Jade.

>>55153803
The biggest tabletop game in the US is Star Wars

>>55153784
>Their biggest competitor, Warmahordes

X-Wing is their biggest competitior, one whom they're nowhere near these days.

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I never did start that Bretonnia army

>>55153814
No, it had the most sales from indie retailers.
Even categorising them together is a mistake is x-wing is more like a boardgame, and doesn't go for the build and paint demographic.

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>>55153841
>and doesn't go for the build and paint demographic
Neither does GW it seems

>>55153688
Nurgle atm. It got a bit of everything and perhaps the most insane lore attribute out there.

>>55153462
I pick C, my own experience.

>Hear faint things about the setting before it's scrapped, but never really look into it.
>Only find out about it properly during ET
>Never have a chance to play it, or really learn much about it before it's scrapped
>Total Warhammer comes out, and I basically dive headlong into all the lore and history that had gone before
>Wonder at what might have been

>>55153784
Disney, dude.

X-Wing is currently #1 and they just announced Star Wars Legion, their tabletop wargame to directly compete with 40k.

But I guess I shouldn't expect anyone to be up to date in /wfg/...

>>55153930
>compete with 40k.
Hah.

no game has ever done that in more more than three decades.

>>55153930
>Implying it's not popular just because of Star Wars brand

>>55153930
>Disney, dude.

Disney doesn't make mini games, the whole market is chump change to them. it's FFG who make it.

As for the rest X-wing isn't real competition, and Legions hasn't even launched and so can't be competition. It may become it, but frankly it's probably not the same scale for a reason.

>>55153930
>Star Wars Legion
Its ugly ass prepainted chinese toys you pick for dollar.

>>55153976
>probably not the same scale for a reason

Because 28mm army games are unwieldy at best and retarded at worst?

>>55153667

The kid explaining all the changes to me when I went to check out the store may as well have just been going "And then this guy was like, pew! pew-pew-pew! Schwooooiiinnng - - BA-ZOOM!! Prikka-tikka-tikka! Chukka-chukka-chukka - skrrt skrrt - BOOOM! So these guys over here were all like WOOOAAH yeah and it was awesome but like now everything is totally different lol, so you wanna buy some models or what?"

>>55153528
Ask /awg/, they're usually pretty good at finding models.

It's embarrassing how obsessed you guys are with AoS, I can understand liking WHF more but you're all so insecure and biased about it it's impossible for you to look at it objectively. Stay mad cringy nerds

>>55154274
FUCK OFF SHILL

Truthfully this is my first time in the thread, I've recently gone into a store to experience AoS (and the new 40K) firsthand, I was left disappoint by both

I did come in here expecting to talk about WHF though but was quickly sucked into bitching

>>55154274
>claims to be objective
>likes AoS

Either shill or retarded.

>>55154274
>starts bringing up AoS
>everyone says that they don't like it
>HURR DURR WHY DON'T YOU LIKE AOS

>>55154274
Well...what is there to look at objectively? Presumably its merits as a setting and game, but a lot of that comes down to personal opinion without a lot of number crunching.

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>>55153462
I was literally option A
>been interested in whfb since freshman in high school
>always very poor. Would stand inside GW store just looking at stuff all day
>friend finally gives me his skaven book
>read it and try to learn rules for years
>fast forward: 28 years old now
>I actually find an entire rat hoard, 4k worth of units fully painted for $150
>buy it, get rulebook, sit in my own place learning to play
>go to Flgs when I muser the courage to play strangers
>get shit on because AoS is out and no one wants to play shitty whfb anymore

What makes it worse is none of my friends want to play. I built my own table and terrain and gaming room but everyone I know just goes "uh, yea I'll look it up" and just avoids talking about it. Fuck everyone, I just want to play. I literally played some solo games, just jumping to eacheck side, using beads for the enemy army as proxies.

Oookay, let's stop skub and...post fanart , no warhammer art in general

>>55154328
>Implying AoS needs to be brought up for people to start sperging about AoS.

>>55154155
It feels so much like Quel'thalas.

I miss being young again.

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>>55154632
How are people supposed to sperg about AoS without bringing it up?

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>>55153841
>it doesn't count that I'm losing because [arbitrary metric]

In my mind, it was real.

>>55153511
AoS does not have the developed setting or sort of world that really fits for Total War-style gameplay, unlike Oldhammer's setting.

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>>55154663
Honest question, has GW ever put out art that comes anywhere close to the classic Bretonnian art?

>>55154630
And that's the exact problem with any new edition to a game. The question doesn't even come up as to what rule book you're using, because its assumed everyone is using the latest.

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>>55153688
Grey.

>>55154774
Honestly, I've never been particularly impressed with GW's art department. Feels like everything they do with a an image could have been done just as well with a diorama.

>>55154663
>>55154774

I'm fairly sure they had the same or similar artists do stuff for other factions around that time so quality wise yes.

The style just REALLY REALLY suited Brets though.

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>>55154774
I know what you mean. All this old art has a particular style to it that I've never seen anywhere else.

It's marvellous.

>>55153930
This general cares neither about GW nor Reddit Wars, so yeah.

>>55154274
The only time AoS comes up here is when AoS's dead general comes to stir shit or some ignorant outsider asks what we think of it.

>>55154274
It's objectively shit. Back to your LITERAL fedora steampunk dwarves, lmao.

>>55153333

Regarding that opening image, honestly, if the rules aren't emphasizing a fun game, you've got a fucked up set of rules. In particular, shooting happening after a move and the slayer losing points if it dies (the in-universe thing he's trying to do) are both highlights of the flaws inherent in the system. For a game that's supposed to prioritize fun over winning, they sure put a lot of emphasis on victory point accounting.

>>55154774
Kopinski was the best artist Warhammer ever haf.

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>>55154951
And there I go and find an even better resolution. Oh well. Art for the art throne.

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>>55154997
This, right there. Notice how it looks more threatening than most of those AoS big monsters? That's because he has a small head, a great number of small, sharp teeth and proportioned claws. Unexperienced sculptors usually put enormous claws and big teeth everywhere, a huge head and big limbs with a result called paedomorphism, meaning that the creature looks like a puppy and not a full-grown, threatening adult.
Just wanted to let you know this.

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>>55154631
Ayy elves.

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I remember some vague idea about Black Orcs making use of a horned symbol that was basically that of Hashut. Does anyone have any sort of confirmation of this?

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>>55154817
>>55154818
>>55154940

Hiring real illustrators around this period was the best move G Dubs ever made. They settled on this unified aesthetics of oil paintings and pencil sketches and it looks goddamn fantastic.

>>55154630

I feel for you, friend. I would play with you if I could.

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>>55153688

Blue!

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>>55155201
I like how the artists for Total Warhammer seem to be trying their best to emulate that style, though not going so far as to outright rip it off. And it's got a bit of a CG-type look to it, compared to the sharper pencil lines from the old art, which I guess is fair enough.

>>55155201
The relatively skinny arms of that Marauder Chieftain really works in the paintings favour. It makes the individual seem much more real than if he would've sported the stereotypical gym arms.

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No! Yellooooaaaaaahhhhhhhh!

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>>55155285
I just absolutely adore that hydra.

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>>55154631

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>>55155406

>>55155185
>nose ring
Why

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>>55155423

>>55155285
>those witch elf noses

Oy vey that's not kosher.

>>55153688
Horned rat

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>>55155441

>>55155364
You are now aware that the bottom left and bottom right hydra heads are a mirrored cut and paste of each other.

And both smug

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>>55155457

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>>55155472

>>55155465
I'll take two smuggies over one any day.

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>>55155507

>>55155457
I liked that game.

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>>55155537

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>>55155293
Agghhh...

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>>55155567

>>55155572
Stat book Stannis for WHFB.

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>>55155579

>>55155590
0 WHOOOOOOOORE

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>>55155594

>>55155537
>>55155567
I'm pleased by these eyes.

Man, plastic chorfs are much bigger than the metal ones, no wonder you can't rank them up facing forward.

>>55155646
You mean resin by FW.

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>>55155646
No, I mean the old plastic ones.

>>55155364
Cute!

Gloss varnish!

Why not?

>>55155116
But metal carnosaur has a bigger head than the plastic one and looks more threatening than it.

>>55155732
Old is best.

>>55155764
It's still better proportioned

>>55155600
M-more wine your grace?

>>55155607
>>55155594
Where's this from?

>>55155897
Age of Reckoning art.
https://www.artstation.com/artwork/L21Av

>>55153898
>Wonder at might have been
We'd both be so much poorer, Anon.

I downloaded several pdfs from WHFB 3rd edition, and lament there isn't a Oldhammer General, or /ohg/. I've browsed through (but not thoroughly) the rules for WHFB Siege and Mighty Empires and went hnnnnnggh at the heavy duty crunch rules. While the 6e General's Compendium is baller, it's crazy to see what Old-school WHFB was like.

Has anyone here played WHFB 3rd? I would enjoy the chance to give it a try.

>>55155436
>He doesn't have the stones to wear a nose ring to trick orcs into thinking hes one of them before braining them

>>55156023
Recite key heavy crunch rules, anon. I too am highly interested.

Has anyone tried playing the game online? Some anon in an earlier thread mentioned that WFB was playable on Tabletop Simulator.

>>55155607
Why were they making statues of skeletal kings _before_ they all died?

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>>55155790
LAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAANCEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEL

>>55156113
Probably made after all died, they had some millennia.

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Any other patrician 7/6th ed players here ?

Only skubbs disagree, that 7th ed core rules and 6th ed army books are not the best way to warham.

>>55156126
You are not even legitimate king, or husband.

>>55156147
>begins war to become king
>wins war
Sounds legitimate to me.

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>>55156147
CAREFUL, NED CAREFUL

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>>55156204
>>55156198
*snort*

>>55156058
Notable items, with various degrees of crunch or fluffiness:
-Pursuit was not all or nothing. If you caught a fleeing enemy, you got a free round of melee attacks that automatically hit. It would take time to run stuff down.
-You had turn-wheels for formations, and you had options for other formations including wedges and hollow squares.
-Fire was a threat and could spread across the battlefield, almost like a griefer-happy Minecraft server.
-Armies had to include a baggage wagon for every 1000 points. It was free and couldn't fight for shit, but the enemy got extra points for capturing it.
-Flyers were off on a separate "aerial field", well above the actual battlefield, and could re-enter it accordingly.
-Sieges had "tactical time" (a WHFB battle) and "strategic time" (downtime in the siege). In strategic time, siege engines could do slow volleys to grind the castles down, and both sides had to ensure they had points allocated to food or they started rolling for starvation, deserters, or Trolls eating other Greenskins.
-Boiling oil had its own template. Imagine an Apocalyse hellstorm flamer, with variable decreasing strengths based on range.
-Every Magic Item was DIY.
-Illusion Magic strongly recommended a GM, or else you would need a really strong honor system and notekeeping to let your foe know which regiments were real, or just hallucinations.

Mind you, 3rd edition was when the Realms of Chaos Books were written, and Daemon Weapons had a D1000 (3d10) chart to determine their abilities.

>>55156227
THE DRAGON BOAR

>>55156113
The wind of death is strong in Nehekara, they could have been normal looking statues until the sands wore them down to looking spoopy.

>>55156279
All that sounds way better.
Why did they stop doing that?

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>>55156279

That sounds fun. Complicated but F U N.

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>>55156313
Few neckbeards having fun is less profitable than 9000 Screaming kiddos toygaming

>>55156362
Insufficient. I demand a return to those days.

>>55156313
Oldhammer was when Bryan Ansell was in charge of GW, before it got bought out and made public. Perhaps the craziest thing about the 3rd ed book is that it has cardboard counters for models in it. Imagine modern GW doing that!

>>55156411
Our premium carboard counters, made only out of the finest cardboard made from the trees from the lost forests of Tanith. Only available in the special Warlord edition, strictly limited to 1000 copies, retailing for $200!

>>55156279
That flyer rule is great. I never liked 'swoop and land' nonsense from the like of dragons or hawks.

>>55156411
2ed 40k had cardboard models too.

>>55156303
Oh, is that why there's all those random skulls in the mountains and things?

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>>55155579
>>55155507
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>>55155395
Damn, Age of Reckoning had such good concept art.
Does anyone have The Art of Warhammer Online book scanned?
I always wanted it, but I could never find it. I guess no one bothered to scan it.

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>>55155285
Don't forget how that art is used in-game - the CG aspect probably comes from the effects that are put over it, how it seems to pan in a direction or otherwise slide across the screen. And also how most are supposed to be seen in a rather small picture rather than how large they actually are.

I wish there was a full repository of TWW art, but I've only been able to find bits and pieces.

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>>55157038
Eh, it's not so hard. Most of the artists' portfolios are there on artstation or dA or whatever. It's just a matter of knowing where to look. Can even find the renders in some places.

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good thing I wont have to spend any more fucking money on tomb kings

end me

>>55156731
That's the excuse for why the geography has a bunch of skulls everywhere. Really, it's just an excuse to make everything look cool because who wants to model a hill when you can model a hill with a giant skull in it with glowy eyes.

>>55155594
Where would Nehekharans have gotten those skulls from?

>>55155607
The Egyptian history buff in me is both pleased, and horribly horribly annoyed at these designs.

>>55156646

2nd ed 40k had a couple of vehicles right?

Around the same time 4th ed fantasy had some heroes on monsters and some war machines, Epic had a couple of the bigger titans.

I'm not sure if 3rd ed fantasy had the same ones but the box for 2nd ed fantasy has a sheet of cut outs too.

>>55155140

Black Orcs were created by the Chaos dwarfs, and were a choice in their army back in the day. The ones that didn't rebel likely as not were the ones the Chaos Dwarfs had gotten worshiping their god.

>>55157284
2nd ed 40k is...interesting. I missed out on it, as I started in 3rd, but I'm looking to try it out. Perhaps the craziest things about it, besides Virus/Vortex Grenades, and herohammer, is the fact that Bikes are vehicles, and Techmarines could pilot vehicles, letting you theoretically do an all-tank army (within "support" point limits of course). Bikes were vehicles too, so you could do a Sons of Anarchy build where every Marine Bike had a Hunter Killer Missile too.

>>55157234
From giants perhaps

>>55153462
I'm somewhere between A and B. I was more of a 40k guy back when I could afford the wargames but shortly before I fell out of the hobby I bought about 1,000-1,500pts of Vampire Counts and played a couple of short games with my 40k friends and didn't really keep building the army when I seemed to be the only one who really enjoyed WHF enough to want to do that. I was still into the settings despite real life making me unable to participate in the wargames so I picked up the video games and RPGs and that's been my main point of interaction with WHF and 40k for the past ten years or so.

I've gotten into WFRP big time recently and between Vermintide 2, TWW, and the upcoming WFRP 4e so they way I see it, despite everything, as long as you're not exclusively into the wargame it's still a pretty good time to be a WHF fan.

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>>55156147
>Targ king breaks faith with nobles starts burning some of them for shit reasons, while mocking the trial of combat saying fire is the champion of Targaryens.
>Bobby B(oar) smacks his shit around and has a claim with his past targaryen ancestry generations ago.
Seems legit enough to me

I'll post dwarves to make up for not being on topic.

>>55153941
>Too big to fail
Yeah, because that level of overconfidence in an institution has never backfired.

>>55156335
Oh yeah, the Mighty Empires rules look glorious, and like the sort of thing a computer game could be made from.

What was even crazier was that each "turn" in Mighty Empires was a month, each "turn" in a siege's "strategic time" was one day, and each turn in the battle represented a few minutes roughly. So this meant if you couldn't storm a castle fast enough, it could be relieved.

Siege engines are hilarious deathtraps too, but can also be combined, so you could have a Siege Tower launching Kamikaze Skyrockets. Oh yeah, 3rd had a Nippon armylist and one option was kamikaze rocketeers.

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>>55153462
Try option C: Owning 5 huge WHFB armies that were collected over more than a decade but never even once touched the battlefield because I never knew anyone to play with

And now WHFB is gone and it'll get harder and harder to find people to play it with as time goes on. I'll probably never be able to. Hell, even when it was around I couldn't play it. I just wish I knew someone else that was into it years ago.

>>55157061
>How you want your dress, phampire?
Lemme feel that breeze.
>Say no more

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>>55157655
They're all going for the Classic Isabella look, even though Izzie herself decided to cover up a bit upon being brought back.

>>55157454

I didn't play 2nd ed 40k directly past a small sample game or two in a GW store but I played Necromunda and Gorkamorka and bought the Nid codex to read cause I liked the beasties.

Stuff like the vehicle damage tables are a lot of fun, though I can imagine stuff like that are what lead to it being much more appropriate for a skirmish game than "big battles".

>>55157295

There weren't any that didn't rebel or if there were they were driven out as a precaution along with the rest after the Hobgoblins treachery stopped them bringing down the whole Chaos Dwarf empire.

The horns could be Hashut related but also back then helmets with numerous or large horns tended to signify a greenskin commander. Having every member of the magically and selectively bred elite with those really made them stand out as the best of the best when their armour was still a mix of plates and mail rather than the chunky armour suits they got in later versions.

How easy would it be to start a Vampire Counts army? Just getting into WHFB, and not sure how hard it will be to build an army for this basically dead game.

>>55154774
>6th edition
>classic
Kid...

>>55157785
Not too hard. Skeleton minis are abutment and cheap, and vampire characters are still available. Depends on what you wanna build really.

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>>55156142
Truth.

>>55153462

While I still love Fantasy I had already quit actively playing or buying stuff years before End of Times cause of GWs shit rules and business model.

Kinda left me in a weird position when Fantasy finally got axed. Part sad, part happy they couldn't rape it any more.

>>55157835

Look you can't expect the young un's to be all about that Tony Ackland. Just be happy he likes some nice solid Kopinski and not some CG bullshit.

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>>55158705
Forgot me picture.

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What are you hoping for in the sequel Mayflies?

>>55158796
I've been sort of considering working an idea like that into a story of mine that I'm planning. At one point Teclis is talking to a character and showing them some of the strange things that have fallen out of the Great Vortex and washed up on Ulthuan's shores. In particular, a corroded, rust-covered boltgun.

>>55158852
3 Elves and one Dwarf

>>55157038
The faces convey a pretty good story.
Left most just accused blue/red's knights of not being dependable enough to make plan with.
White and moustache is like 'why you gotta be such a dick we were trying to plan a battle bro?'
Blondie in the middle trying to get everyone to calm down.
Blue/Red pissed, getting read to throw down.
Baldy on the right kind of interested in seeing who wins the upcoming knife fight.

>>55158871

Not to mention you've got the Wastes to the north and Lustria to the south as possible sources. Chaos and Amazons both had access to scifi gear back in the day.

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>>55158852
Being able to choose any loot below the score you rolled.

>>55158487
Same here, I'm part sad that the setting got scrapped so much plotlines fell into oblivion, but on the other hand I won't ever get hyped up for a new edition only to read my armybook and get disgusted and the rules and absence of new models.

>>55156142
There were some good elements in the 7th edition army books, it's a pick and choose. Same with 8th, there's a few units I allow because they're cool and fluffy.

But yeah 7th edition rules, 6th edition books in general is definitely the best.

>>55157785

Thanks to Undead being a staple of Fantasy you have a fairly wide selection, and different prices, to pick from.

GW still sell a shitload of stuff. Also there's probably a lot of second hand GW stuff out there from both Fantasy and Lord of the Rings which had some nice undead stuff (some might be out of scale but things like giant bats and stuff should be fine for sure).

For core stuff Mantic ain't too bad. I'm not super keen on the heads of their skeletons but they are relatively cheap. Their zombies and ghouls seem pretty good looking in addition to that nice price.

Not to mention you can also grab historical miniatures and with converting or sometimes even just the right paint job you can get them looking very dead.

Pretty much the only things that might be "difficult" to find non-GW/cheaper alternatives for are some of the monsters and even that shouldn't be too hard.

>>55159058

I would say I liked 4th and 5th better for working with your friends to come up with battle scenarios or campaigns and armies that would be fun to face each other.

I think I remember 6th being better for random games against people you didn't know though.

>>55153333
is ninth-age shit?

is anybody making 4th edition remake?

>>55159354
I would love a 4th edition remake. 9th age is shit if you don't like 6th.

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I might be late AF but:

>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h7e3jCd62C0
>06:28
>Malthazar Gelt is no more at least in diplomacy

Thank you, God.

>>55159392
i think 6th edition was my most played one. wasnt that monsterhammer with very strong magic ?

>play WHFB 2e premade campaigns
>every mission is just tarpits going up against tarpits for hours on end

>>55159354
The 9th Age is pretty solid.

>>55159037
what vermintide SHOULD have been

>>55158852
>>55159037
Fucking this. Also better AI director, matchmaking and host migration (I don't know how it is for the Master Race but PS4 is kind of a shit show in this area), more enemy variety, more variety in the final stages, some customization options besides helmets would be cool.

Mostly I hope they keep the original cast and add some new dudes instead of giving us a whole new batch. I've been playing a lot lately and I've gotten pretty attached to the gang.

>>55157707
Damn, vampirism really does enhance certain attributes.

>>55159629
Doesn't hurt that their VAs are absolutely fantastic.
Some of the best I've heard in years

>>55159665
not as hammy as franz or SURTHA EK

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>>55159652

How can human cows even compete?

>>55159665
I think Vermintide hits a really happy medium between the gritty parts and the over the top parts of Warhammer. I'd love to see an RPG with the same sense of design.

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>>55159652
>>55159722
Neffie's still got hers, that's for sure.

>>55159704
Saltzpyre can reach some impressive levels of Ham, but not that high.
Still, I think they're got an overall better performance. The banter lines are absolutely fantastic, and I started deliberately fluffing grenade throws to hear them take the piss out of each other.

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>>55159762
Uggo skank.

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>>55159788

Delete this, Neferata is qt.

>>55159777
it is an RTS game. Most of the best lines come when dwarfs are fighting against norscans.
It's funny to hear dorfs make fun of some guy named sven.

>>55159777
I always make sure Saltzpyre is in the group when I run Wizard's Tower just so I can listen to him freak the fuck out at the Hall of Illusions.

>>55157707
>classic Isabella look
>8th edition model

>>55159665
are those VA's part of the strike too?

>>55154630
Had the same problem.

Built High Elves.

But! I just used them for Mordheim now and you could do the same with your Skaven.

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>>55159842
Classic compared to her TW look, anyway.

>>55159354
>is anybody making 4th edition remake?

Yeah, it's called the 5th edition.

>>55159873
They've been reprising their roles for all the DLCs and the Bar Brawl so far, so I don't think so.
I think Lohner was replaced for Stromdorf for whatever reason, but that's it.

I can't remember if Stromdorf/Kara Azgaraz was done before the strike, though.

>>55159761
I'd love a Warhammer RPG with a toolset allowing players to create their own scenarios and modules. Something similar to Neverwinter Nights.

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>>55155285
I'm just happy to see lizardmen done right.

This game is what's getting me to finish my army that's laid by the wayside since "the incident"

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>>55160127

I'm not expecting much but I'm still anxious to see their campaign mechanic. I know it's tied to the Temple cities and the geomantic web but I want to actually see it.

>>55160161
I hope the Vortex campaign works for multiplayer. I'd like to be able to play as Teclis adventuring in Lustria whilst a friend of mine is Tyrion holding down the fort.

>>55158852
Cousin Okri.

Kerillian's bare legs.

>>55160332

It seems so:

https://www.pcgamesn.com/total-war-warhammer-ii/total-war-warhammer-2-co-op-campaign

”Finally, Bickham confirms that the game will have “two legendary lords per race, each with their own start position. You can play co-op multiplayer with the same race, and that creates all sorts of possibilities, and it’s something the fans have been asking for."

>>55160396
Fucking sweet. I guess it makes sense, Vortex campaign would get kinda boring if you couldn't play against another person ever.

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>>55160396
>yfw Tyrion gets a bonus in combat against any Lord who beats Teclis

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For those that are missing any DLC for Total War Warhammer, it's on sale right now except Norsca

>>55153333
>That pic
It's gone lads, and it's never coming back. Look at how perfect that slayer is.
That wyvern was always shit though.

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>>55160479
Norsca is a region of peace

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>>55160478

Bros 4 lyfe

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>>55160611
I see only scientists and defenders of the realm here

>>55157877
>>55159198
Thanks guys, appreciate the help!

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>>55160388
I am in agreement

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Who was in the wrong here?

Are there beastmen in the southern provinces?

>>55160611
Has anyone made a serious attempt to try and treat with Norscan factions? Is trade possible?

>>55161041

I recall reading about how Karl Franz and his father were saved from a beastman attack in the Reikwald but were saved by Wood Elves, so yes, there probably are, though I imagine less than in the Drakwald

>>55161071

It is possible, yes, and some of the Norsca tech tree/bonuses are even about trading. But you do have to throw a lot of money their way. I rarely bother but in late game it can sometimes prove useful.

>>55161071
It's possible, particularly as a faction like the dwarfs who get a bunch of diplomacy bonuses
Other typically friendly factions won't like you though due to the association
You could try making a nice-guy chaos campaign and trade with everyone/kill archaon but it would be a huge pain
Vampires and Wood Elves typically like 'evil' factions, as does skarsnik in my experience (but greenskins can't trade).

>>55161041
There are beastmen everywhere; especially in your southern provinces.

Why is Kithband Warrior a basic career? Are they militia-tier?

>>55161546
Yeah, as they're the equivalent of glade guards. But since elves are so stupid OP, you won't feel like a chump with most of your combat oriented rolls.

>>55161598
>elves are so stupid OP
I think Dwarfs are just a bit better since WS is more practical.

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>>55161041
Maybe.

>>55161890
Another one of these maps putting Cathay in the wrong place. And why are there so many beastmen in Araby? They hide in the vast palm forests?

>>55161673
>WS
More like T. WS, BS and Ag can all by improved by +40% with comparatively accessable careers. T never gets higher than +25%, unless you're a top end Slayer or a Grail Knight when it gets as far as +30%. Dwarfs also start with more wounds and can roll 3 FP at creation.

People who complain about elves being OP don't realise that not all stats are of equal value.

>>55154155
>even with the outrageously good graphics of modern Total War, the high elf cities still look like something from the early 2000s
Is there any way to make clean bright colors not look shabby and fake?

>>55161939
You never heard what they do to camels down there?

>>55155444
Oich, close'a damn window, ya' Debrew i'm freezin' my Naggarrothian bippers over here!

Delf boston jews are now my new favourite thing, thanks anon.

>>55161943
WS is still the god stat, used for both attacking and defending.

>>55161041
There are penguinmen, and Archaeon is terrified of them.

>>55161673
The big difference is that Elves only have bonus points in their starting stats and no drawbacks. They tried to compensate with giving low FP to them but it really isn't enough

>>55161943
This reasoning equals to thinking how a character will be when at lvl 20 in D&D. He will never get that far.

>>55159629
>>55159665

>Mostly I hope they keep the original cast and add some new dudes instead of giving us a whole new batch. I've been playing a lot lately and I've gotten pretty attached to the gang.

There's also a slow-developing story thread to how the characters relate too, with Kerillian and Bardin gradually becoming friends, Kruber and Bardin quarreling over Kruber saying something ignorant and Bardin overreacting (with Kerillian shitposting about it), Sienna figuring out that Kerillian is cursed, Saltzpyre doing nice things for the party and lying about why/slowly warming to Sienna/possibly having a romantic interest in her

And they clearly are going somewhere with Lohner.

>>55161939
I think at one point they switched the places of Cathay and Khuresh around.

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VERMINTIDE II CHARACTER IDEAS/WISHLIST
>tomb king skeleton with two handed kopesh that moves fast but is fragile, very pompous and slightly crazy
>Lizardmen saurus who does not speak any sort of english, scares the shit out of the rest of the cast. uses clubs, shield w/ weapons, and blowpipe
>Brettonian knight who not only is VERY uppity, but also insists he would be doing better if he had his horse. Greatswords, Lance, flails.
>Witch elf who is just fucking nuts. Knives, throwing knifes, poison, etc. Maybe has a life steal effect.
>Ogre mercenary? very slow. Clubs, hand cannon, etc. Talks about how much he hates the taste of skaven.

>>55162522
If there needs to be a small guy, a night gobbo would be good

>>55161890
>the southern wastes, full of beastmen, looks like a giant northern australia

hmmmm

>>55162550
I was thinking a night goblin with a squig partner. He runs around trying to keep the squig alive while it goes nuts.

>>55162522
Main baddie is a master Clan Eshin assassin who fights smart

Fellowship of the Ring-style main cast. A Witch Hunter, a Mage, a Dwarf slayer, a huntsman, a Bretonnian questing knight, etc..

More than skaven enemies

Get to play as Skaven for at least one level or even just as DLC/Special horde mode

>>55162162
>The big difference is that Elves only have bonus points in their starting stats and no drawbacks.
Yes, but they don't have bonus points in their WS or T, like the Dwarfs do, which is where it really counts.
>inb4 dwarf drawbacks
The Charisma equivalent is the go-to dump stat in these types of games for a very good reason. You've got me at Agility though, but it can still be patched up by stacking Dodge Blow.

We're Chaos Trolls ever released in fincast? I want to convert one for Blood Bowl and resin is easier to work with than metal.

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>>55162522
Maybe the Bretonnian knight could be a Questing Knight - replace the lance with a two-handed sword, or allow a switch between flails, swords and axes.

>>55158852
manling no furs need weaken nerf

>>55162522
>skeleton
>that moves fast

>>55162773
no

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>>55157061
>be a creature that can only die from being staked in the heart or beheaded
>wear full-plate armor on every part of your body except your upper chest and neck

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CATHAY WHEN

>>55156860
The one that came with the collector's edition?

I have it lying around back home. I can pick it up sometime this weekend, but my scanner is shit and it's a decent-sized book.

>>55162951
Nice fanfiction

>>55162162
>Elves only have bonus points in their starting stats and no drawbacks
>Wounds and FP don't matter
>>55162029
>WS more valuable than T

And here then are your players who mis-value stats. It's a 'CoDzilla doesn't exist' level of failure to understand how the actual crunch works out.

>>55155292
I mean his biceps are still as big as that Bretonnian's head

>>55163299
How is T better than WS?

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>>55163268
I got lots of them

>>55162862
no armor or flesh to hold him back ya dink

>>55162862
Remember that Tomb Kings aren't really like Vampire Count skeletons - most have their full personality and semblance of life, more like a Wight King than the average Skeleton Spearmen. Even their basic troops at least have some semblance of personality, even if it's mostly loyalty to their rulers.

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>>55162522
A bret would be fun

>>55163371
It's not, he's baiting.

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>>55163772
can't wait to seduce elf mages with karl desu.

>>55163660
That is not true at all.

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>>55162522
>Witch Elf

Meh. I'd rather be a heavily armoured Dark Elf Black Guard with a huge halberd.

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>>55164130
Dark elf corsair.

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>>55164258
That would be fine too. I just don't like Witch Elves all that much. I get they're "muh sexy crazy elves" but I'd rather play anything else from the Dark Elf roster.

>>55164034
Yeah, it is. Check the Tomb Kings books.

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>>55162522
Tomb Guardian. Imagine what he would say about Nagash.

>>55162293
Where can I read this stuff?

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>>55165028
>I am the Tomb Guardian, Guardian of the Tomb
>Manaan quivers before him!
>Fuck off!

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>>55162951
>ninjas
>tengu
>samurai with a spear
>Ki-rin, literally the Japanese version of the Chinese Qilin.

4/10. You put forth effort at least.

>>55165588
>ninjas
Not ninjas, Jian. Chinese equivalent
>tengu
The Crow-men are actually canon to Cathay, they're a type of beastmen mentioned in 3rd edition army book

>samurai with a spear
Official model released by GW.
>Ki-rin, literally the Japanese version of the Chinese Qilin.
Also canon
http://warhammerfantasy.wikia.com/wiki/Ki-rin

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Ok, fuck it.

I'm buying a Beastmen army for WHFB/T9A, and will encourage anyone I meet to do the same like I did back in 6th edition.

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>8th had a fucking ally chart
>not even limited by order or destruction, you could technically run two armies of any fucking type together
>also orcs and goblins do reproduce via spores that came from outerspace
Now if only the big rulebook wasn't heavy enough to be considered a weapon.

>>55165707
Wouldn't A more accurate Cathay army JUST be cheap, shitty infantry in mass quantaties and not much else?
Also, werent' the samurai for Nippon?

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>>55165787
>>also orcs and goblins do reproduce via spores that came from outerspace

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>>55165721
Have a gold star.

>>55164282
Would witch elves be capable of co-operating with a group?

>>55165831
Page 159, big rulebook >8th edition, section 'the new races.
And I quote, "From the wilderness came the greenskinned orcs and goblins, their insidious spores perhaps unwittingly introduced to the world upon the star vessels of the old ones".

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>>55165895
>perhaps

>>55165939
It doesn't say they perhaps came from spores, but that maybe their spores came from outer space.
Which means they reproduce via spores which is supposed to make us think of 40k. However in 40k fucking squigs and mushroom patches are greenskins too, and you cannot get societies like savage orcs or night goblins since they would spawn the other types of greenskin.
It's just a Bretonnian decision.

>>55166025
In 40k there are devolved savage orks too, learn the lore.

>>55166050
Those still have squigs and gretchin.

>>55166063
Orcs and goblins reproduce though spores in Skarsnik novels.

>>55166088
Wait, Skarsnik has a novel? Plural?

>>55166088
That's part of the problem, there are goblin and orc only parts of the world and squigs only live under the world's edge mountains. This is impossible under the assumption they are orkoids.

>>55166117
Mutation, disease, anything can happen.

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>>55166117
>squigs only live under the world's edge mountains

>>55166153
Yeah, they're a night goblin exclusive and they also only live under the world's edge mountains.

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>>55165707
The Crow-men was also mentioned in the Tamurkhan book.

So I've just got my Apprentice Wizard to his second career in 2nd WFRP and I thought that it would be fun to make him a chaos wizard (for goofs and gaffs).
But then I saw the spells, and not even accounting for all the shit side affects and extra perils, they are rubbish. Like I'd put up with all the other stuff (including the persecution out of the rules) if the spells were better than standard but it is the opposite.
Is there something I am missing?

>>55166502
Go look at Tome of Corruption for chaos god specific lores.

>want to buy build and paint my own warhammer army since I never got the chance before GW shit it down
>also don't want to give GW my money
it's a terrible dilemma

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>>55167178
>mantic
>warlord
>reaper
That's not even the people who make frostgrave and the like. It's not a dilemma.

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>>55167215
I don't know, it's just not the same to me. Like how the picture in the OP talks about the spirit of the game. I think i'm just being autistic. But I mean just compare the mantic dwarf berserkers to the slayer models. It just wouldn't feel like a Warhammer army.

>>55167358
Buy on Ebay.

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>>55167358
Avatars of war?

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>>55167448
These midgets actually look cooler than GW.

>>55156860
I would trade my legs for a proper Warhammer Fantasy MMO.
All factions, all classes. Everything requires certain amount of effort. Good players can eventually grow into lords, champions of chaos, etc... band together with players of the same faction and form a clan/warband/royal family/whatever and go on conquests. You can fill your ranks with AI controlled mooks and raid "safe" places during events. Objectives, magic, skills, etc... Are all lore accurate. You can be a Dog of War and get paid to fight for other players, you can be a pirate and attack other players while they travel the seas, your "player warband" of Slaaneshi chaos warriors can fight against rival Khorne chaos warriors only to get backstabbed by the Skaven players you hired to help you.
Man, I'd even play a subscription for that shit.

>>55166502
The wizard career for WFRP is really just a sprt of 'wizard as a profession' sort of guy. They specifically aren't battle wizards, nor are the spells listed battle magic.

Battle Mages/Magic would take them to another level entirely.

I don't really like Minis but really would like to have a statue of lizardman.
Were such statues ever produced?
Something with great amount of detail and more big than miniatures they sell.

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>>55168101
There was statue by FW.

>>55162522
NIGHT GOBLIN WARBOSS
>Stabbas
>Stikkas
>Flail

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>>55163205
Oh shit nigga. It would be awesome if you could scan it.
No one else did it before. Take your time.

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>>55162522

The Dwarf not being 3ft tall. This is supposed to be Warhammer not D&D.

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>>55165895
>8th edition

>>55163205
I also should have it around somewhere. I know I still have the Warboss in the blister, so the book can't be that far away.

>>55164417
I think you need to check skeleton warriors in the bestiary. All they know is just loyalty to their king. And skeletons not being just automatons is 8th edition aka End Times fluff anyway, Vermintide 2 is not an ET game anymore.

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>>55163772
Holy fuck is that an actual model? Is that legit supposed to be the successor to whfb? I could put a bolter in its hand and a bald head and label it 40k and not a single person would know the difference.

Anybody in this general particularly got any experience with Mordheim?

Been looking through the catalog and seems the most related thread.

Was wondering if anyone has seen an attempt at making Mordheim advancement closer to Necromunda in that all units can use the advancement to its fullest extent.

Basically I'm wondering if there are any decent houserules for playing Mordheim with a full warband of heroes (Animals & Zombies still henchmen I guess)

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>>55169145
That's great dude.
One of you should scan it for the good of mankind.

>>55169360
Tom's Boring Mordheim Forum is still pretty active. A general agreement is that Skaven Slingspam is too good, so you really should up the terrain you have. However, Skaven also have superior Initiative so tend to also have an advantage in climbing, jumping from rooftops, etc.

A good houserule is your Warband should have a portable ladder or two, so armies like Dwarven Treasure Hunters or Orcs aren't as hosed.

If you look up Mordheim Fanatic, you should still be able to find the old Fanatic Magazine articles. Look up the Expanded Campaign Rules in particular and let me know if you give them a try.