Necromunda: Underhive

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2017/08/31/a-closer-look-at-necromundagw-homepage-post-2/

"As well as the underhive style of play covered by the boxed set, there will also be ways to play Necromunda with the multi-level skirmishes that defined the classic version of the game. These work great on tables using the Sector Mechanicus terrain sets released earlier this year (great news for anyone who built a Shadow War Armageddon board)."

Fuck off.

https://youtu.be/xwD6Z7GzGxI

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2017/08/31/a-closer-look-at-necromundagw-homepage-post-2/

>>55146516
So we get a choice? Cool

>>55146468
Looks like a scatter die, injury (FW, Stn, OoA) die, and some sort of sustained fire die, which were already d6 tables in NM.

I'm way more buttflustered about selling the game on flat battlefields, or GW's direction with mainstream 40kids worrying me about like gimmicky Escher Razorwhips with MonoRazors TM or Goliath Bloodragers armed with Bloodfists TM etc.

Minis look nice though; always valuable for Dark Heresy or Inq28 etc at worst.

>>55146839
I'm guessing the box won't cost 130$ like SW:A but I'm probably wrong
>inb4 150$

>>55146900
I'm in Aus so I'm expecting a shafting regardless.

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Well, thats that rumor engine solved.

>>55146936
Why do Ausies even buy product if it's all expensive as hell? Why not just go out and wrestle wildlife and Aborigines?

>>55146936
>upside-down drop-bear land dweller
I'm so sorry

>>55146468
At least the terrain looks pretty nice. How long until White Dwarf rules for custodies in the underhive?

>>55146974
I like to keep my day job and hobby separate, anon.

>>55147010
Oi yeah nah I'll take here over Trumpistan any day, it's just a bitch to find cheap warhams. And foam sheets always seem to be a bitch to find too.

>>55147148
>I'll take here over Trumpistan any day
Whatever you say Auscunt
>foam sheets always seem to be a bitch to find
how?

>>55146468
>>55146521
those models look like piss.

>>55146468
0/10, fuck off m80.

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>>55146516
Hopefully it's fully find out and not just a bad copy of the shit show that was SWA. It really just needs a reprint of the originals.

>>55147443
Fully fleshed out*

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>>55147443 (You) #
Nevermind. Going by the rulebook size in the community pictured, they're doing fuck all for the actual game.

Also, why do the models look the same? The Goliath ones all look like clones, and the Escher ones all look a bit on the fat/overly muscular side.

So that's why they didn't give a shit about have a consistent scale. Then again, the new AoS boardgame's skeletons are explicitly in scale with the old skeleton minis.

At least the new minis and the props can be used with regular Necromunda.

>>55147623
They spoiled an orc for that game earlier today with a bane mask

>>55146960
What? The lasgun one yes, but the one you posted? I didnt see that anywhere

>>55147644
'Ez a big git.
Fer you.

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>>55147258
yea. something about new gdub models isnt right.

Its just "too much." Too much detail, too much gubbinz. compared to a cadian shock troop-- whose simplicity now is becoming a thing of beauty...

>>55147623
Im hoping the difference in base sizes doesn't bode poorly; from a game balance perspective it could mean either noticeably different 'baseline' stats between fundamentally human gangs, or that those floor tiles really are board game squares.

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>>55147796
I wouldn't mind them so much if they weren't so samey. Like why does EVERY Goliath need to have a mohawk? Escher does the same thing. Same armor, hair styles, and faces on pretty much every miniature.

I'll wait to see more, but at the moment this announcement has pretty much killed my hype for the game.

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Well, that was disappointing to know it's just a scenery bit.

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>>55146516
fuck off indeed.

GW is just stretching the limits of assholery.

Whats up with this Shadespire game?

>>55147796
I'll tell you what it is. that Cadian isn't a mind fuck to paint. Its doable, reasonable, its a jobber, its REAL!

>>55148429
That is coming out soonish. It is a new thing rather than Mordheim 2.0.

>>55147990
GOD DAMN THAT SHIT IS UGLY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

>>55147746
OP's picture, lower middle, the marker.

So uh, was anybody else about to commit some federal crimes when it looked like it was just a fucking board game.

>>55148520
International crimes were on my mind when I saw the board game shots.

>>55147990
Jesus fuck where has the a-team been since AoS? Every model since fantasy went to shit has been horrible.

GOD GUYS THIS IS A DREAM COME TRUE
plastic dudes that i can customize easily and that resemble post apoc riders.

im happy, lets hope the base box isn't over 100$

>>55149051
The ones posted earlier in the thread look pretty monopose, so there goes "can customize easily".

>>55149073
they're still plastic, that makes them easier to customize

>>55149073
wait, those arent some easy to build bullshit i hope

>>55149114
If you look at the way the contours of the muscles mesh across the arms and the torso (especially down by the armpit) its pretty clear these are monopose. To the untrained eye it may appear the shoulder straps are there for a point of articulation like in orks or catachans but the details tell another story

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Redemption Cults when?

>>55146521
The voiceover is gloriously over the top.

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>>55147990
Eh, it's true to form.

>>55149143
Fuck. I hope they release some non monopose sprue then.
But what about the "highly customizable" models being talked about in the earhammer community post? What were they talking about?
still hyped after all. Those will be the first GW models i buy in 5 years or so.

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>modular hairstyles
I'm gonna fucking do it.
Gimme some words to put on their shirts, lads.

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>>55147566
>Space Marine Fortress Monastery

Which SM chapter recruits from Necromunda frequently enough to keep a Fortress Monastery there?

>>55149343
Imperial Fists.

>>55149297
Whenever you read shit about models being "customizable" always remember: heads and paint. All they have to do is include multiple heads and multiple cannon paintschemes and the model is now "customizable". From the looks of it you'll probably get your choice of arms, but the actual pose will be locked down. On top of that you can see some armor plates and grenades which are probably modular.

At the end of the day you're getting something less poseable than a space marine kit but more diverse than those khorne dudes who came with the AoS kit who are an apt comparison.

>>55147566
I've always wondered how hive cities can fall unless you just level them from orbit.
That's centuries worth of territory you'd have to crawl through while being shot at by billions of people all the time.

>>55149388

ouch
thanks for the info.

>>55146839
>I'm way more buttflustered about selling the game on flat battlefields,
i think thats just starterbox simple terrain is all.

>>55148407
>55148407
HOW DARE GW RELEASE MODELS AND ADVERTISE THEIR TERRAN, I AM PERSONALLY ATTACKED BY THIS

>>55150061
Nice try, Redshi(r)t.

Hype up the return of Necromunda...and then release something totally different with minimal effort and expect fanboys to eat it up. Fuck, it really is low.

>>55150061
Fuck off shill. We won't Accept you GW Bullshit here. Your models are trash and so is your rules. This thread will defy you.

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>>55150124

>>55150124
>hasn't even read rules
OK doomsayer w/e you say.

>>55147796
True.

>>55149679
eh, its still plastic multipart. Conversion for new poses and loadouts will be trivial.

>>55150166
it's a fucking boardgame m8. With some optional rules that may be close to old Necromunda.
And if it does manage to capture the feel of old Necromunda, great. But my hopes aren't high.

>>55147148
Get home from hardware stores in the form of unextruded foam insulation. It's the purple stuff that goes in walls. It's just styrofoam.

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>>55149611
My impression is that like a lot of things in 40k, taking the key strategic points can usually give you a victory. So, you take the spire, seize the governor, fight a series of battles to take over all the major air recyclers and water pumps, seize all the major transit hubs on the outside of the hive... A massive undertaking to be sure, but you don't battle it out across every single square inch of the underhive. Areas you don't see as essential to maintaining control of the hive you can simply fill with nerve toxin or whatever other horrible wmd you've got. Or just collapse massive sections of it and shoot whatever crawls out.

Also, it's important to bear in mind that not every part of a hive is occupied. Large sections of Hive Primus, for example, are essentially uninhabited or very sparsely inhabited. There's a literal wilderness within the hive, and one that's not really worth conquering. Kal Jericho had an excerpt from an Imperial Scholar complaining that no one's ever bothered to fight a campaign across the Underhive, because leaving it filled with mutants is less of a waste of time and resources than sending guys in to cleanse it.

And, well... most 40k games take place in ruins right? That's probably what's left of the hive after its void shield fails and the ships in orbit lance beam it to hell.

>>55149343
Iron hands. Their chapter master was a necromunda noble. They recruited from gangs often.

>>55150224
Whoops, that should be imperial fists, not iron hands. Herp derp.

>>55150148
haha shut the fuck up

>>55147148
>And foam sheets always seem to be a bitch to find too
Bunnings has it, under the name Knauf insulation.

>>55150200
Blood bowl started as a board game and they keep adding teams and stuff.

>>55147990
If you don't like the mohawks just leave them off. Its mentioned that they're a seperate bit in the kit.

But mohawks galore is just staying true to original necromunda, its what we expected.

It's still fucking gay because they won't release any other gangs if its just sold as a board game.

>>55150415
They've said a billion times that they're releasing more gangs.

>>55147166
Enjoy your fucked up health care system while your government pays billions in bombs to kill peasants in Afghanistan with basic ak's and a pair of sandals.

Well... at the very least the Goliaths could be used as Khorne cultists and the Escher as Slaanesh cultists. Still unsure about the scale.

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>mfw

At least we can hope they'll do some made to order stuff like they did with blood bowl.
I'd be up for some cawdor or arbites anytime.

>>55150415
They've already said they're releasing the other gangs you mong.

>>55150442
why does it always devolve into MUH FREE HEALTHCARE

>>55150415
there will be more gangs.

Its looking like the Blood Bowl release. An initial "boardgame" starter. Extra teams and expanded rules released later.

>>55150460
they're the same scale.
Eschers just have tall hair and platform-heels

>>55146468
I don't give a fuck about the game GW tries to foist on us, I'll just play the old one, I just want the new minis

>>55150711
Because it's 1) awesome; and 2) symptomatic of the problems of the United States for services in general: we've got nice roads, good schools, cheap uni, and fuck all Yanks. It's nice.

>>55150778
>Cheap uni
despite Malcolm's best efforts

>>55150711
>>55150778
No. Both of you shut up now before this devolves. This thread is about Necromunda. Talk about Necromunda.

>>55150778
It's too bad you don't have two oceans and a gulf though.
MANIFEST DESTINY.

>>55150711
Because it is the only legitimate argument they have over us. Meanwhile they live in a literal dystopian police state complete with thought crimes and illegal opinions. They pay double what we do for everything for the right to not have the right to own a gun or a future as a nation.

>>55150778
>nice roads, good schools, cheap uni
Except we don't really have any of those things. Plus we've got Zimbabwe-level internet speed.

>>55150803
That cunt does not speak for all Australians. We know our country is going down the shitter, like everywhere else on the planet.

>>55150803
What did he mean by this?

>>55150790
You cannot stop the ausposting. Just accept it.

>>55150844
He meant what he said. There are literally opinions that will have you fined/jailed.

>>55150865
in USA ? Land of the FREE :D ?

>>55150865
demonstrate these claims

>>55150803
>dystopian police state complete with thought crimes and illegal opinions. They pay double what we do for everything for the right to not have the right to own a gun or a future as a nation.
All of that is false (except for the paying double part.) Getting a gun is easy, just fill in the paperwork for a license and as long as you don't have a criminal record or history of mental illnes you'll get approved. Only real difference is that its easier to get a shotgun or rifle than a handgun and that we don't generally consider self defense a legitimate reason for having a gun.

>>55150865
That's kind of a meme. It's really not that bad here. Sure, if you walk down the street saying how much you hate boongs and arabs you'll get in trouble but who does that anyway? It's not like they bug your house.

>>55150871
No. I mean yes, there are. But theyre pretty few and far between. The opinions that'll get you in jail in the USA for posting on facebook are pretty much restricted to:

- Don't threaten to kill people, especially the president.
- Don't threaten to blow anything up

In Australia your going to prison for not using some bluehaired dykes pronoun.

>>55150803
That is such an American comment. Literally have no clue about anything beyond your obnoxious meme of a country.

>>55150906
If you knew literally anything about contemporary Australian politics you'd recognise how fucking wrong you are.

>>55150803
>Meanwhile they live in a literal dystopian police state complete with thought crimes and illegal opinions.
So, the US/UK?

>>55150884
You can go to jail in Australia for saying that higher emissions taxes lead to higher costs on gas and that immigrants commit more crimes. You literally live in a prison. You can't even defend yourself in your own home. And it's pretty much impossible for anyone who lives in an even remotely suburban or urban area to get a gun, which is pretty much limited anyways to hilarious lever action abortions.

>>55150906
Fun fact - due to old jew enforced law in Poland you will go to jail for contesting the holocaust. Not for saying it did not happen - but for even contesting figure of victims (so If I would say that not 6 but 3 millions have died I will go to trial).

>>55150945
Except that if that was the case then half our Parliament would be in prison because they believe and say both those things.

And nope, you can get a gun. As >>55150884
said, just fill out the forms, pass the checks and done. Just most people here don't feel the need to own one.

Ok back to the topic - I think GW will strike gold again with this title. If rules are good the idea of making a game that can be played BOTH on 3D table and on a board is just so fking OP I cannot to scratch my head why they did not do it before. Now kiddies can play at home without expensive terrain and go to shop to indulge great tables ! This is so good that GW will rise again with this kind of tactics!

This all depends on the rules tho - they should be equaly good for the board and for 3D terrain.

Also special dice are as someone said - scatter - so normal, wounds (ooa, stunned, and so on) and ammo roll die. So this is not some FFG faggotry!

>>55150945
>Higher emissions taxes lead to higher costs on gas
You realise that the current government is VIOLENTLY sucking the coal and gas lobby's dicks, right?
>Immigrants commit more crimes
riiight, that's why our immigration policy is "send them to christmas island" and pauline hanson is a senator
>You literally live in a prison
well yeah that's what the british put us here for dumbass
>You can't even defend yourself in your own home
self-defence is a valid legal defence you petrol-huffing cunt
>It's pretty much impossible for anyone who lives in a remotely suburban or urban area to get a gun
WHY WOULD YOU NEED ONE?

>>55150954
You have to go back.

>>55150966
see THIS guy actually lives here and knows that we're only SLIGHTLY a madhouse

>>55150971
Yeah, let's stop the "americans trying to /auspol/" shit. I'm cautiously interested and will probably be picking it up on release.

>>55150918
Guessing you aren't australian because any australian just woulda called me a cunt, and since your poking at me being a burger I'd guess bongistani, which makes it all the funnier.

>>55150954
Yes yes the holocaust didnt happen we know.

>>55150966
Joke's on you, your all in prison. Kidding, and most ozzies are basically rednecks with even funnier accents, so it doesn't shock me that you just do what you want anyways.

>>55151002
>you just do what you want anyways
this is true, honestly
i'm pretty surprised that australian society even functions given that most of us are perpetually hungover and drink wine out of bags like savages

>>55150974
>NEED

Foreign invasion, coup or junta, economic collapse, natural disaster, hunting for free food, social upheaval, defending my house, violent mobs or rioters,defending my senpai, collecting, fun.

All things that have taken place in modern and advanced societies in my lifetime. Besides, I don't have to justify my rights?

>>55150778
All of those are wrong.

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>>55149886
>i think thats just starterbox simple terrain is all.
YOU MEAN LIKE NECROMUNDA?

>>55151028
>Foreign invasion
yeah good luck taking your nugget against the chinese military or whoever
>coup or junta
lol
>economic collapse
???
>natural disaster
what are you gonna do, shoot the floodwaters?
>hunting for free food
you can literally do that if you have a license you dumb idiot
>social upheaval
these things literally do not happen in the first world
>defending my house
use a cricket bat like the rest of us you soft cunt
>violent mobs or rioters
that's what we have police for
>defending my senpai
an excellent point
>collecting
you can still do that tho (i think, i'm fuzzy on the relevant laws)
>fun
you can STILL DO THAT
>i don't have to justify my rights
rights in a country born from violent revolution =/= rights in a country that asked england to leave and was given the thumbs up
>>55151039
Huh, that's pretty sweet. Never seen it before.

>muh gunz
Are americans retarded?

>>55150884
So you have no gun rights. Like a slave.

>>55150971
>Also special dice are as someone said - scatter - so normal, wounds (ooa, stunned, and so on) and ammo roll die. So this is not some FFG faggotry!
The special dice are superfluous?
Who knew?

I don't really understand why they did that - it can only lead to whining about special dice, while adding nothing.
They aren't selling this to complete casuals anyway, and anyone else ewould be fine with propa dice.

>>55151070
some of them
>>55151078
as opposed to having gun rights like someone who can be sent off to war three years before being allowed to drink before having to pay hundreds of thousands of dollars of medical bills out of pocket because his country's medical system is fucked beyond repair?

Really activates my almonds.

>>55151059
Foreign invasion
>We just got our asses kicked in A-Stan by farmers with rusty AK's whose shithole we invaded
Coup
>See above
Economic Collapse
>There will be looters; see: balkans, ukraine
Natural Disaster
>See above; Hurricane Katrina that devastated New Orleans for pictures and news story specific examples in the dozens
Hunting
>ok cool
Social Upheaval
>r u fukn dum m8? Go read a book nigger. Lets go with Weimar Germany or Imperial Russia for the fact that it DOES happen in countries at all, contrary to your claim, and then we can go with aforementioned Balkans or Ukraine or Russia in the 90s or Iran in the 80s. Jesus Christ.
defending my house
>You know criminals don't follow the law? Why don't we just outlaw burglary come to think of it?!

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>>55151059
>Never seen it before.
I say it with love, because you keep our hobby alive just as much as I do, but: you are what's killing our hobby.
It's only because you don't know how good shit used to be that you're ok with this boardgame trash.

The Mordheim box was equally fucking incredible, if not more so, for example.

>>55151070
Bin that spoon, dont be a loon!

>>55151059
>yeah good luck taking your nugget against the chinese military or whoever
>lol
Not an argument, good to know you know you're wrong.
>natural disaster
What are looters
>use a cricket bat like the rest of us you soft cunt
Or I can shoot them in the chest and not be a fucking idiot who thinks using a fucking dumb sport implement is a good way to defend yourself.
>that's what we have police for
Literally a fucking coward, and also thinking they'll be there in time.

>rights in a country born from violent revolution =/= rights in a country that asked england to leave and was given the thumbs up
Exactly: you have no rights and you just think you do. You just have privileges.

>>55151116
Conscription is also slavery, yes.

I'm not defending the fucking US, I'm attacking you.

>>55151116
>allowed to drink before having to pay hundreds of thousands of dollars of medical bills out of pocket because his country's medical system is fucked beyond repair

Which has everything to do with the government fucking with the market and nothing to do with some innately 'medicine is expensive' reason.

And better than dying because there are no fucking doctors in your collapsing high-tax low-quality 'free' medical care.

>>55151126
>overweight American with gun
=
>Afghani mujaheddin that fought to survive since the age of 6
Really makes me think

>>55151131
Nigga I know you don't wanna hear this, but that game was mediocre at best without the nostalga goggles. It was fun because we were young and it was a first intro to quasi-rpg elements.

The paper terrain is quite frankly shit by modern standards and you can get a waaaaaay nicer set of mdf terrain with more houses for cheaper than those would have been. And the few minis it came with were literally half a box worth of troops in value at best. The rules were good, i'll grant, but it wasn't the fucking be all and end all of wargames.

>>55151126
>We got our asses kicked in A-Stan
ah yes, because the taliban could totally invade america or australia
>Coup
i still don't see what that has to do with anything
>Economic Collapse
Bitch, PLEASE. Queensland goes underwater every five minutes and we don't devolve into anarchy because the economy goes to shit.
>Natural disasters
see above
>Social Upheaval
there is literally no reason for it to happen
>criminals don't follow the law
And? The odds that they'll have a gun are far lower than in America.
>>55151139
>what are looters
see above
>>55151144
>I'm attacking you
... But WHY though?
>>55151148
And yet somehow not being allowed to grab a shooty bangstick at a moment's notice is worse than the government intentionally fucking with the market and driving up healthcare costs.
>everything you said about medicare
you're barely a step above someone shrieking socialism in a facebook comment section
>>55151131
hot damn that's fucking neato
I guess you're right, I missed the golden age. I've been perenially interested in 40k for most of my life, but I only recently got to a stage where I had the time and funds to actually get into it.

>>55151151
Afghanis can't fight for shit. Do you honestly think the US lost because our troops were fat? Deployed troops DO have to pass real PT unlike the welfare babby fobbits or some PC photoshoot fatty unit. We lost because we overextended the fuck out of our army on an inane and half cooked plan over decades with minimal leadership at the highest levels and were facing a literally unending guerilla war.

Much like how people here knocked the teeth out of the britistani empire.

>>55151208
You mean how the french knocked the teeth out of them?

>>55151208
I'm not saying your troops are not good. I'm saying that the average American citizen with a gun has no hope to fight a regular army from a foreign invader, unlike hardened people from a third world country with a love for martyrdom

>>55151173
I got about a paragraph into a lengthy rebuttal before realising that we'll have to agree to disagree.
Yes, there is some rose-tint to it all, but it's still a very good game.
Rules-wise it's not the best, but as a campaign progression system it's solid and characterful, and as a starter set it has the advantage of being 3D in a game that needs to be 3D.

>>55151151
>th...those American savages couldn't possibly fight off an entire army with nothing but a band of irregulars with civilian weapons!
Says increasingly nervous imperialist tor the 241'st year in a row.

>>55150801
no thats true. We have 3 oceans and a bunch of gulfs

>>55151191
>Everythings fine now so nothing could ever possibly go wrong! Better construct our entire society to be premised on that notion!

You know why half of americans are constantly freaking out about shit going wrong? Because shit does constantly go wrong all over the world. Apparently were the only ones paying attention. Gas prices dip? Venezuela on the verge of anarchy after being called a socialist paradise not a year ago. Lose a war in afghanistan? Entire USSR crumbles to fucking ash and economy explodes. Great depression? This Hitler guy has some answers! Grain shortages? Kill the Tsar!

>>55151239
and a big fucking rock, can't forget the big fucking rock
and the giant reef that we keep trying to kill
and, uh
whatever that is on pauline's head

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>>55151039

90% of that "terrain" is thin cardboard that will fall apart after 3-4 games. At least Shadow War came with actual plastic.

Hopefully Necromunda will be cheaper, if they slap another $160 price tag on it I think sales are going to lag. If it's $99 (like Blood Bowl) I think it'll move fairly quickly and get more people into the ecosystem (and buying additional Necromunda gangs as they're released).

>>55151236
>regular army 200 years ago
>regular army now, with drones, MBTs and air superiority

>>55151139
>What are looters
Something that happens in America
>Or I can shoot them in the chest and not be a fucking idiot who thinks using a fucking dumb sport implement is a good way to defend yourself.
Again, criminals aren't likely to have guns here.
>Literally a fucking coward, and also thinking they'll be there in time.
Our police are actually good though.

Why do Americans insist on talking about things you know nothing about?

>>55151246
>Venezuela on the verge of anarchy
gee it's almost like a government formed in the aftermath of a violent revolution might have issues
>Entire USSR crumbles
not so sure that was afghanistan, pretty sure it was a bit more complicated than that
>hitler
Seventy years ago. WORLD WAR ONE doesn't happen all that often.
>Grain shortages
and a bunch of other things
but sure, go on and believe that the world is constantly on the verge of imploding.

Or don't.
It's nicer that way, and way less stressful.

>>55151267
We may never know. Is it their atrocious education system? Their football team politics that they assume applies to everyone? Their borderline nationalistic patriotism fetish?

(to be fair we're pretty bad on that last point as well)

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I fucking told you guys, I fucking told you. nuGW cannot be trusted with "reviving" their old franchises, they simply don't have the talent or direction any more. Sure we get some cool models, but with a real bit of work we could have a flourishing Necromunda community again.

What even is this shit? I knew they would but it seems like they'll strip out every little "punk" 2000AD element and replace it with bland 40k tech, which with stuff like the Primaris Marines looks sleeker and less gothic than ever.

>>55150390

If you actually knew anything about BB, they are literally reselling idiots parts of a free community .pdf in £25 "season" books. Again, low effort, rope in a few idiots and sell a few nice models.

>>55151173

Wrong. Completely wrong. Rules are a little dated now but it's still a pretty great "your dudes" sci-fi skirmisher.

>>55151277
>(to be fair we're pretty bad on that last point as well)
Europoor here, I've have some friends in Australia and your people seem the most chill in the world.

>>55151013
>drink wine out of bags like savages
>not recognising the geniuse of a cheap device that can get you smashed and then serve as a pillow while you sleep it off in the gutter.

>>55147990
Taking photos with that colour terrain was a mistake.
Fuck that are some huge grenades.

>>55151277
They think the only model for a free, democratic society is their own and that any other way of living is badwrongcommieslavery

>>55151288
aww, thanks
we like you europeans as well
>>55151292
shit i must not be smart enough to see the true purpose of goon
>>55151301
McCarthyism was a mistake.

>>55151191
>... But WHY though?
Because you're a willing slave.

>And? The odds that they'll have a gun are far lower than in America.
So they'll have knives, or bats, and/or greater numbers and STILL may have a gun.

>>55151249

>fall aprt after 3-4 games

BULLSHIT. That stuff was solid as fuck even store copies that got treated like shit lasted forever.

When it comes to actually creating a following for a "new" game I'd much rather a box set came with terrain that was 50%+ cardboard and was sold at a way more accessible price.

>>55151191
>And yet somehow not being allowed to grab a shooty bangstick at a moment's notice is worse than the government intentionally fucking with the market and driving up healthcare costs.

I mean, if both medical systems are fucked (and they are,) at least in one place yeah, you have gun rights.

Also socialism is cancer and I hope you get it. Cancer, not socialism. You've got too much of the latter already.

>>55151298
HAAAAAAAAAAAAA MY EYES
You're right lol

>>55151223
You've never been to detroit I see. Afghanis don't love martyrdon either. Jihadis do, who are overwhelmingly saudis. Soft city dwelling saudis from arabia who have barely held a gun or marched or rucked a pack or done battle. They make shit soldiers. They didn't win because of "battle prowess". They won because they sapped the invader of their spirit to continue to occupy. We lost a few thousand soldiers, and they lost hundreds of thousands.

And I guess aside from anecdotes, I guess there probably isn't concrete proof that it would be literal suicide to invade the US our army and navy magically disappeared, aside from the facts that a shitload of americans recreationally shoot and work out, like 1/3rd of the country, and we have more guns in private hands then people.

>>55151223
It doesn't take too much to take pot shots from a window.

>>55151306
>A willing slave
You keep using those words. I don't think they mean what you think they mean.
>they might break into your house with knives or a gun
And you might be hit by lightning, too. Worrying about someone breaking into your home and trying to kill you in this country is like living in a bunker because you're scared of lightning.

>>55151319
It takes if you're not willing to die when a few seconds later a chopper levels it

>>55151284

Does GW just have shit plastics or is it CAD that makes things like hair look so... mushy?

>>55151255
Drones aren't really useful against an insurgency, you just make more insurgents. Likewise with air support.

And MBT are basically useless in urban combat and are shockingly easy to knock out, even more so if you add in the much greater resources available in the US.

>>55151255
>regular army now. Struggling to fight an insurgency made up of a bunch of perceived savages who rape children, blow themselves up in suicide attacks, and do everything they can to demonize themselves against the average soldier
>thinking this army will some how fare better quelling an insurgency on their own soil killing people fighting for their freedom, screaming at them in a language they speak, killing family members over a war they don't understand or support
Elling my eh oh.

>>55151306
>So they'll have knives, or bats, and/or greater numbers and STILL may have a gun.
So fucking what? Why can you not comprehend that fact that our police are not incompetent, trigger-happy arseholes and that we can call them and likely have the problem sorted with a minimum of old west-style bloodshed?

>>55151267
>Something that happens in America
Yes, and if they threaten you you can shoot them.
>Again, criminals aren't likely to have guns here.
No, but they're likely to be stronger, with better weapons and in greater numbers. And I don't want a fair fight, I want to shoot them in the chest to avoid having a fair fight. Why the fuck would you ever fight a fair fight?
>Our police are actually good though.
I know you actually believe this and its sad.

>>55151303
>McCarthyism was a mistake.
McCarthy didn't go far enough. True American Hero, should have a holiday.

>>55151301
No, fuck the US government, and fuck most Americans. Fuck constitutionalists who think it has done anything to stop rising tyranny and fuck you guys for being willing slaves to your own fucking oligarchs.

>>55151173
>The paper terrain is quite frankly shit by modern standards and you can get a waaaaaay nicer set of mdf terrain with more houses for cheaper than those would have been.

No shit, its ~22 years old.
The bulkheads thou they still hold up for scratch built terrain.

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> Thread about a tabletop miniatures game set 38,000 years in the fucking future
> Devolves into a USA/Europoor pissing match and gun politics

Fuck you faggots, you're all gay retards

>>55151322
>You keep using those words. I don't think they mean what you think they mean.
Oh, I know, you just don't. Because you've convinced yourself that being beholden to a government that by any reasonable metric owns you somehow doesn't mean that you're a slave.

>And you might be hit by lightning, too. Worrying about someone breaking into your home and trying to kill you in this country is like living in a bunker because you're scared of lightning.
Except one of these things is far more likely. And given there is statistically no relation between the presence of guns and the amount of crime in a country, like, zero correlation, you're just giving up for no reason.

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>>55151249

>fall apart after 3-4 games

Maybe if you have some kind of special education needs, mine's alright after twenty years.

Seems really lazy not including 3d terrain in a 3d game (assuming their new rules based off 8th ed aren't a complete abortion). They could have used similar stuff to what was in the cheaper intro sets for 8th, with plastic bulkheads again or something.

>>55151362
USA/'Straya, anon

>>55151173
I haven't seen a single starter with mdf scenery from GW. What are you on about?
In fact even Gates of Antares only had flat cardboard scenery in their latest one and even the 3d stuff in the infinity starters is only a bunch of containers.

Of course you can buy better scenery these days. The point is that what was in the box back then is better value than what seems to be in the box now.

You can get beautiful mdf, resin or hardplastic scenery to play games of Necromunda on, but that is hardly the point here.

That has nothing to do with nostalgia goggles, regardless of what you may think of the rules.

>>55151330
>It takes if you're not willing to die when a few seconds later a chopper levels it

Oh, great, the chopper leveled an apartment building. It killed twenty people, eleven of which were women and children, and whose brothers and fathers and husbands are now insurgents too.

Next patrol you lose fifteen people to random snipers and IEDs.

gg, no re

>>55151342
>So fucking what? Why can you not comprehend that fact that our police are not incompetent, trigger-happy arseholes and that we can call them and likely have the problem sorted with a minimum of old west-style bloodshed?
You'll be DEAD BEFORE THE POLICE ARRIVE.

They can't travel faster in your shithole country than they can in MY shithole country, you idiot.

>>55151383
Do you really think the Chinese or whatever would care in a third world war kinda scenario? Lol

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>>55151389

Mate, in the developed world we don't really get killed all that much compared to you fatties.

>>55151236
>increasingly nervous imperialist
So... which country are you referring to there exactly?

>>55151284
>Blood Bowl
>they are literally reselling idiots parts of a free community .pdf in £25 "season" books
Hah, I'd forgotten that one.
Ah, GW, you PR machine is working flawlessly.

>>55151298
Colour management in general seems to have goe to shit in GW photography lately.
That and an insistence on painting shit so uniform you'd barely know they were different models.

>>55151331
Low-effort CAD.

>>55151277
Sorry I don't hate my country? Oh no wait. The other one. Fuck you.

Also, atrocious education system? I mean, we have the literal BEST, bar none, university system in the world. By a mile. Every member of the chinese political classes kids are here. Saudi royalty go here. I went to school with some. Sure our public education system sucks because its a tarpit of government bureaucracy where noone gets fired. I get that Australia is better than the USA in education, but not by a world away, and were both at the top. So idk what your on about.

>>55151126
gun ownership is no obstacle to a serious coup. they have drones, tanks ans jets. Your rifle isn't going to do shit. the idea o gun rights preventing tyranny is a severly outdated 18th century idea.

>>55151371
>a government that by any reasonable metric owns you
You keep saying things like this. Explain. Like seriously, literally how does the government own me? What can I not do (besides guns, just shut up about guns) that you can?

>>55151399
>Mate, in the developed world we don't really get killed all that much compared to you fatties.
Way to change the subject to dodge that your police can't warp to your house to stop a burgler from stabbing you to death.

Yes, the US Homicide rate is higher. The issue of gangs is a big thing, made worse by government policy. I'm aware. My country is shitty in its own ways, I know this. It doesn't make yours not shitty either.

>>55151398
I mean, the point is that it's a losing scenario? Whoever invades is never going to be able to hold the ground that way, and therefor that hinders any attempt to gain any real BENEFIT from holding it, and its just bleeds you like an ulcer.

>>55151376
Deadzone.

But not my point. Its a shit game with shit models too so doubly not my point. My point was that I can buy a dozen odd GW minis of different units and factions and half a dozen mdf buildings for as much if not less than that box cost adjusted probably.

Also, i liked the rules....

>>55151422
>It doesn't make yours not shitty either.
Now who's changing the subject? No one said that.

>>55151422
>Way to change the subject to dodge that your police can't warp to your house to stop a burgler from stabbing you to death.
No, you are missing the point.
We don't have to live in fear of being stabbed or shot to death every day.
Different guy btw.

This shit if offtopic anyway. It doesn't even belong on the fucking board.

>>55151418
I mean, to be fair, this can be said of basically all modern states, just some are further along or back the line.

The premise of taxation, on income, on property, on any number of things alone would be enough, because if the government has a right to seize my wealth and property, they're claiming they have a primacy over me in it. Hell, if you have to pay a property tax or else the government takes the property, you don't own it at all, you're just renting it from the government.

As an aside, the US IS the only major western country with real 'freedom of speech' even if that itself is being eroded and has in small ways that gave precedence to the idea the government could regulate speech at all.

Basically, governments were a mistake.

>>55151449
I don't either, that's not the point. I don't live in feer of it. Hell, I live on the outskirts of my town in a semi-rural area. I have zero fear of being broken in to, but it could happen.

The point isn't that it's even likely to happen, it's to be able to be prepared in case it does.

>>5515143
They're going to hold it instead because we people in a first world country value life too much to just go /k/ommando and live a life of insurgency. If someone somehow would defeat the american army and conquer the US he would just have to deal with a couple riots, because hey yeah they speak chinese/russian/whatever but we still have our iphones, drinkable water and a roof over our heads, so life isn't so bad

>>55151462
Really no way for the US to get taken over in a global war that wouldn't break down those trade issues though.

>>55151451
>the US IS the only major western country with real 'freedom of speech'
Come to Europe (continental one, not the Uk). Apart from stuff like nazi salutes in Germany (which is honestly of poor taste) you can more or less say what you want

>>55151418
You can't get chick-fil-a bro. Seriously though I actually do like australia. Your like a drunken asshole that kinda follows along with the european crowd till you sober up for 2 second and call them cunts and stumble off in a random direction. But yeah the gun thing. It's not a problem now in Australia but England was a pretty good place to live till they started cracking down on firearms. Now london is basically saudi.

>>55151479
Yeah, of course. That makes owning a gun because muh foreign invaders even more idiotic

>>55151482
These refugees are nuts and islam is backwards. Boom Im in jail.

>>55151451
That's my argument. 'Freedom' is a meaningless concept if you live in the modern world and for Americans to think they own it or exemplify it better than any other country is frankly ridiculous. The only 'free' people are those who live in the middle of the amazon jungle or the wilderness of Africa, with no notion of technology or western society whatsoever.

>>55151148
>high-tax low-quality 'free' medical care.
high tax? the medicare levy is only a 2% income tax. hey its still rated better quality than americas.

and yes we know its not actually free, but its functionally free in day to day life. we never need to think about our financial situation when seeking medical care.

>>55151491
How? The point is most Americans wouldn't be content.

Those Escher weapons need some serious conversion to look passable.

>>55151482
This is literally, objectively not true.

And even if Nazi's are losers, the idea the state can (let alone should) ban certain kinds of speech is always bad.

>>55151508
No? That doesn't happen? There are parties saying that basically 24/24h and nothing happens

>>55151491
It stopped Japan from invading mainland US. Learn your history, my friend. Local insurgency is why France isn't speaking German right now.

>>55149329
Dank

>>55151485
>Now london is basically saudi.
That's more to do with open borders than guns though.

>>55151511
>high tax? the medicare levy is only a 2% income tax. hey its still rated better quality than americas.

It's really not, though. And you objectively pay more in taxes. And you may not, but you do have to consider if you're gonna get stuck in a queue, or the quality is going to be shit.

>>55151479
You are REALLY underestimating how angry americans are. Were basically always thinking about flipping the board and getting in a fight WITH EACH OTHER. Nevermind a foreign invader scum. Case in point, the entire midwest, detroit, chicago, LA, and New York.

>>55151249
given that they've gone for flat boardgame terrain similar to the BB pitch with comparable mini count I'd wager they're planning for the same price point.

>>55151519
Ok, I'm the guy talking about how insurgencies work and even I call bullshit. The Japanese NEVER had the capability to invade the US mainland, it wasn't just cus Americans had guns, it was because they were hitting above their weight class the entire war basically.

>>55151529
I should clarify, cus I'm agreeing with you. I'm saying that in this scenario where WW3 has broken out, you wouldn't really have iPhones anymore, or content shit, because that would destroy the global trade that those things rely on.

>>55151512
Such an enemy would be of a so overwhelming strength that no spontaneous militia would ever manage to resist it. Most people would just comply with their new governors. That would happen in every first world country
>>55151519
The Japanese never had hope to invade the US, and France was freed from Germany thanks to the Americans on the western and southern front and the russians on the eastern one

>>55147990
Whats upp with the wave lines in the plastic of the base? my 40mm dont have them.

>>55151406
My issue is more with your primary and secondary system which, as I understand it, is grossly underfunded and often gets dicked around for political/religious reasons. But I'm an outsider who doesn't live in freedomland so my view may be biased.

>>55151451
Australia has freedom of speech (At least political), IIRC. It's not explicitly stated in the constitution but it's been held up in court.

>>55151508
Except that is literally One Nation's platform and they still hold a seat in parliament.

>>55151519
Yes, that is exactly why Japan didn't invade mainland U.S. Not the ridiculous logistics of doing so, not the fact that they went 'oh fuck' the second they realised how much industrial power the U.S was capable of diverting into its military, but because of private gun ownership.

>>55151528
>2% income tax and having to deal with a sometimes overloaded system is worse than having to pay literally thousands of dollars for minor operations
bah gawd

>>55151485
we love you too [uncertain nationality] anon. Remember that time that one of our senators called the leader of the opposition a cunt in parliament and nobody gave a shit?

>>55151527
As a direct result yes, but Orwell said the rifle hanging over the fireplace is what keeps freedom alive. Brits forgot that, and all the cultural values that go with it. They basically forgot their own country. An aspect of which was the right and responsibility to safeguard and defend it.

>>55151559
Eh, they preferred the pakis to the poles. Their fault honestly

>>55151545
>Such an enemy would be of a so overwhelming strength that no spontaneous militia would ever manage to resist it. Most people would just comply with their new governors. That would happen in every first world country

Like Iraq. Like Vietnam.

Come on, man.

>>55151568
>Like Vietnam
You mean that case where the 'spontaneous militia' had significant backing from another superpower? Come on, man.

>>55151553
>having to have insurance or take loans to get the finest medical care is worse than dying because it took too long to get any medical care or because the bureaucrats decided it wasn't worth paying for.

See, I can do it too.

>>55151568
Not first world countries. Those people don't value life as much as we do

>>55151553
Our k-12 (what you call primary and secondary) systems are by no stretch of the imagination underfunded. Like clockwork every budget they get an increase, waaaay ahead of inflation. The problems are manyfold.
- Schools get more money for performance, so failing schools stay failed.
- Teachers cant get fired for incompetence
- Discipline is a fucking joke

I'm a bong. And cunt is a fine title for a politician.

>>55151576
And you think one in the US wouldn't?

>>55151580
>Not first world countries. Those people don't value life as much as we do

I think you are pretending folks are far more different than they are.

Like, sure, average IQ is higher but still.

>>55151552
That sometimes happens on injection molded plastic. I notice it sometimes on my models.

>>55151578
Let's both be reductionist and tell half-truths about each other! See, it's so fun when we both do it!

>>55151581
Okay, wait. Are you a bong living in the US or just a bong? Since I was talking about the U.S system and i'm not sure if you're on about british stuff or murican stuff

>>55151583
Who's in a position to supply that much shit to the U.S without fear of immediate reprisal from whichever fucking madman is capable of invading the strongest country on the planet?

>>55151588
So an African child soldier = average American Joe? Who would have fewer problems with not eating for days, living in the mud with no electricity and opening your head with a rusty machete?

>>55151539
>>55151545
>Should hostilities once break out between Japan and the United States, it is not enough that we take Guam and the Philippines, nor even Hawaii and San Francisco. To make victory certain, we would have to march into Washington and dictate the terms of peace in the White House. I wonder if our politicians, among whom armchair arguments about war are being glibly bandied about in the name of state politics, have confidence as to the final outcome and are prepared to make the necessary sacrifices
Admiral Yamamoto
In the early stages of the pacific theater, Japan had the upper hand. Pearl Harbor was a big blow but not as bad as it could have been. Had it not been for the detestation get defeat at midway, Japan would have been in a prime position to invade the mainland. Yet, even before committing to war, Yamamoto was hesitant. He made it clear that he had no intentions to capture and hold ANY of the United States. He intended to cut a swathe straight through the country and march to Washington, demanding a surrender while holding the nation hostage. There are a lot of reasons behind why that wouldn't work, the huge percentage of civilians owning firearms one of them.

>>55151581
*Burger not bong. Christ.

>>55151599
>Who's in a position to supply that much shit to the U.S without fear of immediate reprisal from whichever fucking madman is capable of invading the strongest country on the planet?

I mean, lets be honest, this scenario is so far fetched to the point its impossible to say what the world would look like. Could be dealing with like the Scandinavian Empire at that point.

More likely we'd be fighting our own government as we balkanize.

>>55146468
>It's a boardgame, with special dice, FML

FFFFUUUUCCCCKKK YYYYOOOOUUUU Games Workshop. Fuck you.

>>55151610
>The U.S is a casualty in the second Finno-Korean Hyperwar

>>55151608
Ah, righto. You'd know it better than I do since you live there.

>>55151603
The one who is already fed and has a muscle mass that could actually support his head.

>>55151552
it's probably from the tooling of the molds. They are big pieces of metal essentially. You can notice it on some of the newer models GW put out too on areas that have shallow round surfaces you'll sometimes see the edges.

What even is this thread? A classic game system is revisited after decades and all that's going on here is facebook-style arguing about US vs Aus? For fucks sake /tg/, I come here to talk about hobby. I thought you were better than this.

>>55151617
But is afraid of dying, while the other doesn't give a shit

>>55151626
So did I, and then the resident America Defense Force came out when someone mentioned being from Australia.

Also it's not a board game >>55151613, op is a raging homosexual.

>>55151627
You fight BECAUSE you're afraid to die, not because you want to die. When your fear and anger are greater for (the enemy) than the fear of death, then you fight.

>>55151626

Indeed, there's always been a certain lack of restraint ever since /new/ became /pol/, and especially since the US presidential election. Leave it on /pol/.

>>55151626
>I thought you were better than this.
Welcome to /tg/, newfriend.
Petty arguments are the thing autists around here excel at.

>>55151633
>>55151626
Actually no, it started when someone HAD to throw in Trumpistan when we were just complaining about paying so much for plastic army mans.

Fuck's sake, I hate the guy as much as the next possibly-slightly-gay leftie socialist but for fuck's sake leave it out of this

>>55151641
You don't fight a lost battle if you're afraid to die

>>55147990
>Like why does EVERY Goliath need to have a mohawk
Because the original models all had them

>>55151648
I've been here for years. The political shit is getting worse. We used to just argue about /tg/ stuff.

>>55151633
>>55151651
>He started it!
>Nuh-uh! He did!

>>55150954
please return to r/the_donald friend

>>55151667
Hardly surprising.
I'm sitting in Europe and even I hear every single day about every new scandal that Trump causes.

He's a veritable shit tsunami.

>>55151417
Pretty much. Today it's mostly a distraction. You can take everything from murricans, as long as you let them have their guns. That way you get slaves that support and defend their own enslavement.

>>55151673
Both of those posts were me. I was correcting myself when i realised that techncially we ausposters started it

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>>55151661

Most of them, not all in both 1st and 2nd. More variation than these plastics, with double mohicans too.

>>55151659
>lost battle
>implications
So you're a whiny bitch quitter. I get it now. You can't possibly imagine yourself ever overcoming adversity, so you project your weak will on others. Do you think the rice farmers being napalmed to death in Viet Nam thought their battle was lost when their entire village was detonated by a single time on target artillery salvo? Fuck yes they did. Do you think they weren't afraid of death, that their screams weren't of terror and pain? Do you think the VC were super soldiers that never broke in the face of a tactically superior enemy? Those guys were TERRIFIED of death. By all accounts, they were losing. There were 100's of dead Vietnamese for every dead American. And yet they fought. And they won. Congratulations, history proves you wrong. Now jump off a bridge.

>>55151691
Keep in mind that we haven't seen every sculpt, and they have mentioned, to quote, 'modular hairstyles'

>>55151528
>And you may not, but you do have to consider if you're gonna get stuck in a queue, or the quality is going to be shit.
you pnly wait in a que if you're not suffering from something time sensitive. If you NEED something done this week, it happens this week. this priority que jumping is basically why there's a que at all. you can expect good quality here, thats a non issue.

yes we pay mlre taxes but we get our moneys worth, functionally free healthcare. free schooling, heavily subsidised university and interest free government loans for the rest of the cost, so again functionally free. as well as the rest of the public services I wouldn't want to give up for only a few extra grand each year.

>>55151519
>learn history
Yeah you should. Annexing France was never intended by the 3rd reich. The french were mostly pro german anyway. Took a good many false flag attacks to change that.

>>55151651
Wait, are we arguin about who started the argument now too?

>>55151661
I think the samey-ness is a paitjob problem.
Really uninspired identikit equipment and colours on everything just looks trash.

>>55151711
I can lead a horse to water, I cannot make them drink.

I won't be the one to drag you from the cave, fighting all the way.

>>55151718
No, see >>55151684
It was the Australians who started it.
On behalf of my countrymen, I'm sorry for destroying this thread.

>>55151712
>annexing France was never intended
>that's why Germany installed their own government
Lolwat

>>55146468
I rushed here to find this post and was not disappointed.

>>55146516
This one too.

>>55151693
That's because I'm not a rice farmer under a dictatorship. Do you really think your puny Glock is going to do much against an army that just nuked the most powerful military in the world? Especially if half the population can't live its day without a Starbucks latte and Instagram filters

>>55151681
that's the trouble. Drowning in shit has e
become the new normal and everyone is too busy fighting each other or trying to survive to do anything about it.

>>55146468
That it is going to be a boardgame sucks, but it is not unexpected. The models might be worth getting if they turn out to be multipart plastoc that is not snap fit.

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>>55151712

>Annexing France was never intended by the 3rd reich

The absolute codswallop I read on here at times.

>>55151739
It's not a boardgame, see >>55146516.
OP is a bundle of sticks.

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>>55147566
>The Goliath ones all look like clones,

When will summer be over?

>>55147796
On any given day, someone on /tg/ is complaining about the cadian design. It really just depends on what you like. I for one love these new models.

>>55151736
Yes I do. Because last I checked, getting shot in the face still kills a motherfucker. The US WAS the army that nuked the last country that stood against them. And Vietnam won. With nothing more than tenacity and some surplus Soviet gear, Vietnam won. You're yoo much of a bitch to fight back against Chinese/nazi/communist/alien colonization, but I'm not. I'm not sharing my food with you :3

>>55151769
>:3

>>55151769
Welp, I guess I'll go eat a nice alien burger while you get executed because you went Ramboing against an armoured battalion

>>55149164
I am glad to see that they have gone, as they say, full ham.

>>55151795
Slaves asking for their chains.

>>55151817
/k/ucks asking for a bullet in the head

>>55150722
Oh god delaques. Yes. I need plastic greatcoats in my life.

>>55151800
>full ham
That's what 40k always was. Glad GW has remembered that.

>>55147990

>cannot see a fucking thing

thumbnail says it all

>>55151559
>if I have a gun then freedom is safe, I don't have to make any effort beyond that
Retard

>>55151739
It's not a board game. There's scatter dice and a range ruler.

The board pieces are there to let people play immediately without investing in terrain. You have hard, LOS blocking stuff in the forms of tunnel walls and doors. There are barricades to provide cover.

That all said, there are a few things that are legitimate causes for concern. Each gang looks like they have a class of weapon that they stick too (solid shot for Goliath, las for Escher), and neither side has a long range heavy weapon. That latter bit might be a declaration of intent to focus on shorter ranged battles (probably a good thing, IMO), but the former makes me wonder how much gear customisation will be built in. Will there be room for converting whatever gear you fancy onto your gang, or will the stuff you get access to be heavily restricted based on your House?

>>55151823
Freedom or death, faggot.

>>55151485
>london is basically saudi.
T. Person who has never been.

Try actually going places rather than just believing biased shit on "news" channels

>>55151880
Hopefully you get the latter.

I miss when this thread was still about Necromunda.

>>55151868
The willingness to use it was implied by keeping it within arm's reach.

>>55151880
Easy to say while you're on coach, safe at home, while browsing a mongolian carpetmaking forum

>>55151769
Vietnam 'won' because the US pulled out of the fight to deal with internal issues and because there was no point in continuing the fight. I.m European and even I know the US won pretty much every single major engagement during that war.

That's the whole reason the soldiers felt so betrayed. They win pretty much every big fight, live an absolute hell, come back thinking they won, then they're told the country is giving up and hippies start calling them murderers.

Nam by Mark Baker is a really good book about the war, a collection of anonymous little anecdotes. I never realised how much of a hellhole it was before I read it. People think Apocalypse now showed the 'horrors of war' but it seems like it was very very light hearted in comparison. Shit was hard yo.
Anyhoo.

Bottom line is, Vietnam 'won' just like Algeria 'won' when France agreed to give them their independance. Pretty much every battle had been won by the French, but domestic troubles and guerilla warfare made it clear that wouldn't end, so the French went home. Then the survivors came in and said they won by virtue of surviving.

>>55151887
Does anyone come to /tg/ and expect quality hobby discussion?

Forget the floortiles and the dubious models, looks like this new version is focused on one-off skirmishes rather than campaigns. Its looking more and more boardgame by the minute.

>>55151889
>missing the point this much
You need more than guns to keep freedom alive and safe idiot. Waving around your .45 against a modern army is going to do jack shit.

>>55151901
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>55151901
They said the exact opposite though,
The fact that the gangs will be multi parts poseable kits seem to point towards campaigns too.

>>55151691

I don't remember the first goliaths having much variation past big and thick mohawk for gangers, thin and short for juves.

While overall I like the originals better I did like the head variations in the second version.

>>55151920
What they've done is provided a self contained game that can be played by anyone who picks up the box, rather than requiring people to invest in additional terrain. The tunnels board will also keep LOS quibbling to a minimum, which should help people to learn the rules.

After that there's "proper" Necromunda for the people who stick around/are already invested in the hobby. GW has that lovely Sector Mechanicus terrain to sell, after all, and once you learned the rules you can deal with more complicated LOS issues and verticality. The multi-part plastic kits point towards this, as you said. If they wanted it to be just a board game we'd be seeing Shadespire style single pose minis.

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>>55151901

GW know they can get away with it and still sell a few copies, that's why everything "coming back" is half-baked and would have been better left in the hands of the community.

GW has done quite well for itself in recent years, personally I think it's because they've re-aimed from the "kids on a conveyor belt" approach, to now scalping those supporters left who don't mind GW's obvious ploys or care about other manufacturers, just give them more plastic to buy and "don't criticise nuGW, they're trying".

>>55151960
My dude, GW has always marketed to kids who are flush with their parent's cash and grow out of the hobby. Don't pretend that they've somehow taken a bad turn in the last few years.

Their other half of the market are the old grogs who re-enter the hobby in their 30s once they've got disposable income and a burning need to recapture their youth.

>>55151920

Trying to find it on Faceberg so I can screenshot it, but one of the team said that Shadow War was the the game to play if you're interested in campaigns.

>>55151897
Vietnamese here, US can't win even if the war drag on for 50 more years, why? Because VNmese are lazy motherfucker but when it come to war we're stubborn as fuck, especially people from the North. 99% of people who fled the country are people from the South. We have a thousand years history of constant war with China, even till today, so if you're an invader, no matter how reasonable it sound, you will get BTFO.

Think of it like Ork, don't fuck with the North man. I'm a Southie btw.

>>55152000
That would be tragic, given that SWA was the most half-arsed thing GW has put out recently. Even Gangs of Comorragh saw more support.

>>55152012
>Even Gangs of Comorragh saw more support.
Wut?

>>55150954
But it was eleven million, not six. I'm so sick of kikes trying to pretend that the five million goyim who died in the camps never existed.

>>55151960

Yup. Its their signature move. They're constantly chasing after new blood because they're a niche hobby, but rather than change marketing tactics or (God forbid, pricing) they fuck around with the things that made 40K and it's offshoots so appealing in the first place.

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>>55151824
>Oh god delaques. Yes. I need plastic greatcoats in my life.
Fuck.
Yes.
Best gang squad crew rolling through.

>>55151877
One of the Goliaths in >>55147990 has a plasma pistol, but otherwise I think your concerns are spot on.
SWAG has heavy weapons, but also encourages terrain sufficient to neuter them - Necromunda should be like that too, with the added upkeep cost a further negative.
All the talk lately of GW customisable shit has been within a very tight range of sprue/bitz permutations, and I don't see that changing.
Hopefully (doubtfully) there's loads of gubz on the sprues.

>>55151901
>looks like this new version is focused on one-off skirmishes rather than campaigns.
Source?

Captcha: Select around these three separated and distinct signs.
Wrong, try again.
Fuck you.

>>55151990

Yes, kids will always be a core market to GW, but until recently the strategy was always "pump and dump"; get them to spend £150 on the intro set, a few boxes and paints, then make no effort to retain them; as from then on they might only want a £20 unit box a month, your staff should be focusing on the fresh meat again. Hence "Specialist Games" and board games disappearing around 2000-05 and not coming back consistently until recent years.

I didn't say it was a "bad turn", just that they're more effectively targeting their own drones a bit better now.

>>55152026
They put out some more rules in White Dwarf. SWA got a very hurried rulebook print that nobody really cared about because people were ALL about that terrain.

Also, SWA is a bad game that takes rules designed for gangers and then drops space marines into them.

>>55152000
Big if true.

>>55152060
>Also, SWA is a bad game that takes rules designed for gangers and then drops space marines into them.
It doesn't seem to have lasted long locally, since high-stat consistency apperas to be better for killing off opposing crews, so both short and long term s a winner.

>>55152060
>some more rules in White Dwarf
It's just a harlequin team.

SWA get its own book release (which GoC didn't), 12 more gangs rule, solo mission with special ops, multiplayers mission. And it was FAQed/balanced TWICE!. That was much much more support compared to GoC. I'm not talking about the balancing or rushed rule here. But if you think GoC get more support, you're absolutely insane.

>>55152008
I'm not saying the opposite.

The fact remains that, nowadays, with firearms being widely available for anyone that really wants them, giving the possibility to strike from afar and then retreat before engaging in a pro-acted fight, pretty much every 'war' will never see an actual victor. At best you'll get something like Irak where the army was crushed in a matter of weeks and then the people drag the enemy into guerrilla, for which there is basically no 'I win' button.

Hence, claiming the Vietnam 'won' is silly. The US didn't win either since they were bleeding from a thousand cuts every day. However, the fact remains that the US and the French crushed their opponent every time in actual battles, before having to withdrawn because a part of the population was opposed to the war and it was becoming a complete waste of money and lives. They packed their stuff qnd went home.
It's exactly what's happening in Irak and Afghanistan. No long war has ever benefited a country, it was true when Sun Tzu said it, it's still true today.

I just find it silly to declare yourself the victor when the guy that basically kicked your shit in for the better part of a decade just gets bored and goes home because his wife is throwing a fit.

>>55152043
I'm hoping so too, or at least seeing heavy weapons crop up as extra models, like the Blood Bowl star players have been. But I am concerned.

One thing that saddens me is how GW are moving away from supporting anything they don't make a model for. Like how bike riding characters for Space Marines and Chaos are locked to the index books. From what I've heard it's down to the fallout of the Chapter House lawsuit. It was ruled that if they depict something, but don't make a mini for it, they can't claim IP infringement when someone does. It's why you will virtually never see anything that doesn't have a corresponding model in their art these days.

Therefore, I doubt there will be rules that allow for loadouts not directly supported by the plastic kits. I don't see any shotguns in that Escher gang, so does that mean that they'll never be able to use them?

>>55152087
Well shit, looks like I was wrong.

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>>55152106

>I'm hoping so too, or at least seeing heavy weapons crop up as extra models, like the Blood Bowl star players have been.

>my fucking face when Gang Leaders and Heavies are £18 each from Forge World like man-size Stars are

So, rumours say that New Necromunda will have alternating activations rather than the old system of a whole gang acting at once. This would be a good thing, surely?

>>55152127
Not looking forward to it either, but at least then the rules exist and you can convert to your heart's content.

Also still cheaper than the new Primaris characters, which sure says something about mainstream GW pricing.

>>55151897
Wow, it's almost like achieving your objective of repelling foreign invaders is a victory. It was a Pyrrhic victory, Vietnam won at a great cost, but it still won. Thanks to exactly what you said, guerilla warfare. Guerilla warfare will absolute repel invaders. This is why, historically, a war of annexation has lead to great loss of civilian life. It works, end of discussion. Anyone who would lay down and let the Chinese/fascist/alien anal probist take their land, their families, and their wealth deserves what they get. Sorry you can't understand that.

>>55152099
>the guy that basically kicked your shit in

That is because you're not thinking like Ork, you see, people are expendable. Fighting VNmese are a waste of time and money.US lost a shit ton of money and aircraft. And those are not expendable

>>55152179

>what is overwatch

>>55152127

Zug is pretty much the only new Blood Bowl miniature I like.

Fuck paying £18 for GW and their shite quality control though.

>>55152265
I don't get what your point is. Explain?

>>55152127
>£18
The Fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuck.

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>>55152375
Do GW/FW think you're only going to want a single instance of a model? Enjoy paying through the nose for it.

>>55150974
>WHY WOULD YOU NEED ONE

perhaps try asking instead WHY DO THEY NEED ME TO NOT HAVE ONE

>>55152308

While activation alternating per model in skirmish games rather than per force can be better this is because it allows for more interaction and countering of opponents moves.

A rule such as Overwatch allows the same kind of interaction and planning within the framework of activation per force.

>>55152421
...
Fuck ooooooooooooooff.

>How does he even move with all that chain and skull shit in the way?

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>>55152498
No, I think "Why would you need one" is a pretty valid question to ask. Why do you, an ordinary dude (as an example) living in suburbia working 9/5, need something that can pretty much instantly kill another human being at significant distance? Unless you live in a literal warzone or have another reason, like living rurally and needing a gun to keep dangerous wildlife off your property.

Also thin your paints.

>>55152505
dude. You are talking about a setting where space marines carry parchment paper and candles into battle.

>>55152498
Stop trying to revive that argument. We're just starting to get the thread back on track.

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>>55152503
No reason Overwatch can't still be used in alternating activations. You can activate first, get into a good position and then go into Overwatch, allowing you to shoot whoever pops out in the open on your opponent's next activation before they can shoot at you.

We'll have answers soon, mind you. The game is being played right now at NOVA, so there should be some posts about it any time now.

>>55152531
as the other guy who replied to that comment, yeah let's do that.

Chad-goliaths, yeah or nah?

>>55146468
"As well as the underhive style of play covered by the boxed set, there will also be ways to play Necromunda with the multi-level skirmishes that defined the classic version of the game. These work great on tables using the Sector Mechanicus terrain sets released earlier this year"

You had me worried there for a min... Though I'm thinking about fiddling with the older rules and just buying the new minis.

>>55152556
>Though I'm thinking about fiddling with the older rules and just buying the new minis.
Pretty much what I'm planning. Just gotta find some grogs who still play the original

>>55151126
Is this seriously the world americlap gunfags live in? Where every moment the world is only a moment away from complete anarchy?

>>55152574
Some of them, apparently. But don't start THAT up again.

>>55151236
Do Americans seriously think they won their war for independence completely on their own?

Do they know where the statue of liberty came from?

>>55152621
Americans have no idea about their own history, they act all surprise about the dick waving contest they had with the Soviets during the Cold War in South America. It is a miracle that only a few countries are shit when compared to other places they stick their dicks in.

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>>55152553

>>55152012
My largest problem with Shadow War is how unbalanced it was. Like, it was obvious that they did absolutely no testing. Factions like Harlequins were blatantly broken. "Hey, let's make one army ignore ALL the rules that were added to keep the game balanced!"

Then they just half assed the campaign system to top it off.

Yes, but what song are they using in the trailer?

>>55151131
The Mordheim box was better, the models inside weren't push fit like the Necromunda plastics.

>>55152700
I've seen some random videos about a costum made system using a mix of Mordheim, shadow war and Necromunda. Think it was miniwargaming.

Anyone knows if it is any good? Because the board game presentation sure is boner killer.

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Eugh. Do not like them models.

On the plus side, the goliaths would actually make a decent base for diggas. They look chunky and orky enough. Maybe stick some ork heads on them for yoof, or even just steal those weapons for a bit of variety.

>>55152787
>On the plus side, the goliaths would actually make a decent base for diggas.
They really don't though. Diggaz are a primitive tribal culture stuck on a desert planet. They should at best be average looking, not like roided up bodybuilders that have to eat five times a day to maintain.

The old models for them weren't that over the top either.

I mean you can use them if you want to keep Gorka Morka alive, I applaud you for that.

>>55147443
>https://www.warhammer-community.com/2017/08/31/a-closer-look-at-necromundagw-homepage-post-2/

New rules are meant to be a version of the 8th ed rules-set, so... not SWA.

I'd just really like to get my hands on the 'complete' Confrontation test-rules (not the incomplete White Dwarf version), but that seems unlikely to ever happen.

>>55151399
I wonder what that graph would look like if you removed black on black crime from it...

>>55151552
May possibly be from 3d printing (if those bases are prototypes).

>>55152844
For good reason. From what I know they were never even finished and basically unplayable, because they were overly detailed.

>>55152844
>New rules are meant to be a version of the 8th ed rules-set, so... not SWA.
Yet they have blast markers and such.

>>55152889
True, but the 8th ed version of 'blast' weapons doesn't work when you're using individuals, not units of troops. Frag missiles would just be dropping tons of hits on one guy without touching the guy standing next to him.

iirc, the first Necromunda release article mentioned that it was a conversion of the 8th ed rules.

>>55152787
>>55152831

While personally I like the scrawny as fuck diggas I'm sure there are ways to fluff up a digga tribe finding some weird food tainted by all the radiation and shit from the crash and ending up looking roided to fuck.

To be honest pretty much all the Necromunda Goliaths are probably using using synthol rather than roids anyway.

>>55149073
>The ones posted earlier in the thread look pretty monopose, so there goes "can customize easily".
>>55149114
>wait, those arent some easy to build bullshit i hope
>>55149143
>If you look at the way the contours of the muscles mesh across the arms and the torso (especially down by the armpit) its pretty clear these are monopose.
>>55149297
>Fuck. I hope they release some non monopose sprue then.

Each of these miniatures is detailed, characterful, and true to the classic spirit of Necromunda – hairstyles and all! We’re very pleased to say that both these gangs will be full, multi-part kits, with an enormous level of customisation.

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2017/08/31/a-closer-look-at-necromundagw-homepage-post-2/

What dumb special gimmick weapons do you guys think your favorite gang will have? I think mine will have turbo laser False-Hope tm mining lasers instead of lascannons.

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>>55152662
Amazing.

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Would Goliath rules be acceptable for a gang of Squats?

>>55151315
>rednecks with deer rifles think they could defend the US from an actual invasion, without the help of the military
Okay, I am from /k/, and you're full of shit.

>>55151721
>dat psuedo-intellectual posturing
Nice way to say you give up and he wins the arguement.

>>55151249
Holy shit I hope you aren't suggesting i put a pile of trash with mechanicus logos on it on my table.

Shit like that is what's making the previously expansive 40K universe shrink more and more. 'It's mechanical? It should have mechanical logos!'

For another angle, check how almost ever non-marine novel BL has published over the last 10 odd years always has an inquisitor or some other so-called 'touchstone' shoe-horned in. That goddman Arbites novel couldn't go 100 pages without hording in an inquisitor and muh heresy shit. god forbid we get a story about solving some fucking crimes.

Sorry, I'm just mad about it.

>>55151355
Get in!

>>55152179
>This would be a good thing, surely?

Any change ain't gonna be a good thing.

Let's forget all of the pointless arguing about which is shittier out of America and Australia and get to the real argument at the heart of international politics:

Where are the juves?

>>55152700
SWA works when the most powerful thing you've got is an ork nob. Maybe have one or two marines or aspect warriors on the field, but that's about the limit. Anything more elite than that and the entire game breaks down. The special agents didn't help either. Some just about fit as powerful extras, while others were insane. The SM force being scouts was the smartest thing they did, but then they fucked it up with Harlequins and Grey Knights.

>>55153201
Depends entirely on your opponent, but I don't see any reason for most people to object.

>>55153693
But SWA is basically just 40K 2nd Edition without unit coherency. How does having space marines break the game?

>>55153894
Pinning for a start, but mostly what >>55152083
says. Most kill teams require a lot of luck to take people down. Right from the off, those elite teams are consistently downing enemies with ease, making them bottle and winning games. They also tend to have high Ld to ensure they stick around through any casualties they do take.