Most important miniatures game EVER

>>55139094
>eceleb opinion
dropped

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No one cares about your wrong opinion

>>55139094
Yeah it would have been the most important miniature game 20 years ago.

Now that star wars has been shat on who the fuck cares?

Give me the cliff notes. I'm not giving views to e-celebs.

>>55139094

I think it's something of an overestimation. Lord of the Rings had a minis game that made a splash but didn't end up being that significant. Unless Legion has some real mechanical weight to it and support behind it I doubt that it'll make any real long term impact. I could always be wrong, though. If they market it right, it could lead to a new wave of new players interested in miniatures games, which is a good thing for the hobby overall.

>>55139094
>der untermensch

Will it become blunder of the year since 8th ed dropped and did well.

>>55139419
I don't think it will have as much of an impact as others do. People keep thinking this will be the 40k killer and cite X-wing as evidence. Not realizing that X-wing got so popular not for taking 40k players, but getting more casual players into miniature gaming. The reason for it is not necessarily the star wars IP (although that was a big contributing factor) but because it required very little player investment to even play competitively. No painting, no terrain, no large armies.

Star wars legions will only be down to the IP to keep it afloat, as it offers little for the hobbyist (painting only), and too much for casual players (needing terrain and to paint their minis and even build larger armies).

>>55139094
At least some of the success of X-wing stems from the fact that it comes with nice, prepainted minis.
Legion has kinda mediocre unpainted minis.
Do the math.

How can people be excited for this? How many storm troopers could you want to paint? What possibility is there for any kind of cool or new shit that doesn't relate to existing Star Wars bullshit?

>>55139094
holy shit that is an ugly guy

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>>55139094

Yeah just like how TFA and Rogue One were the most important films eva and we all know how that ended up.

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>>55139094
I'm going to get shit for this, but call me when CIS are in the game and I can play some droidekas.

>>55139965
I actually liked the prequel trilogy some aspects of it, the droid army was actually something i liked

>>55139828
>What possibility is there for any kind of cool or new shit that doesn't relate to existing Star Wars bullshit?
Well, X-wing had a brand new ship designed for the game that then started to show up in Star Wars media, so it's definitely possible we'll see new stuff in Legion eventually.

>>55140009
I'll be perfectly frank, I've not seen any of the movies since they were in cinemas, I basically only remember the stuff I really enjoyed, and the droidekas' clear threat to even a pair of jedi was amazing.

>>55140068
They make the jidi run reel fast.

>>55140068
The prequels were proof of lucas gone wild, as in george when people forget to tell him his ideas are stupid and works completely unhinged. Crystal skull is another example.

That being said, the prequels have a lot of cool aspects to them. Tell me with a straight face that podracing isn't awesome. Or that the droid army deploying on the battlefield wasn't really cool. Or that the lightsaber fights compared to the original trilogy were worse.

I do really like star wars, but I have absolutely zero interest in this game.

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>>55139094

>>55139094
Oh wow I watched this video and this guy's face looks even worse in motion than it does in that video. Is he some kind of goblin?

>>55139094
What happened to Mage Knight and those "clicks" games that got normies into minis?

>>55140294
He's a Star Wars fan

>>55140215
>Or that the lightsaber fights compared to the original trilogy were worse
Fuck you, the fight with Maul was amazing.

>>55140345
No maybe my wording wasn't clear. I didnt proofread it.

I meant like:
Tell me with a straight face that the prequel lightsaber fights were worse than the original trilogy.

I meant that the things like podracing, lightsaber fights, droids deploying on the battlefield were awesome things from the prequels.

>>55140401
Ah, well, in that case you are right. Though I would argue that the podracing goes on for-fucking-ever and any fight without Ray Park was a lot less excellent.

>>55140401
>>55140487

Don't forget how great the music was. Duel of the Fates is still incredible.

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>>55139094

OMG STAR WARS I CLAPPED

>>55140519
Most definitely.

>>55139094
This is the game that they should have made BEFORE x wing and armada but now it won't matter.

>>55140294
Nice try, but we're not watching the video just to see the goblin.

>>55140401

With the exception of the Maul fight the light saber battles were kind of shit though. I mean look at the Anakin obi-wan fight. They flail around in the air and their lighsabers are no where near hitting each other. It looks like two idiots at a rave with really big glow sticks.

>>55140057
A? As in singular? After years of the game exisiting? If were lucky, they may be a new faction by the time to 20th movie comes out.

>>55139912
A while ago I watched it on tv mostly because I had actually forgotten that a star wars VII had even been made.

>>55139094
as a gen Z i can confirm that close to nobody likes star wars rebellion era, instead we love clone wars
and old republic, until those get some love from disney I dont expect younglings to jump into that

X-wing is popular mainly because its prepainted and easy to get into

>>55140487
The darth maul duel was great, but most of the fights shown on the prequels were a pain to watch for me.
Too hard (sometimes impossible) to understand whats going on on the screen.

And the fights between luke and vader are awesome.

>>55140571
He has crooked, uneven, gappy teeth and everything. He's scottish too, it's awful.

>>55139094
>Is this guy right
yes

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>>55139965
Yeah, The Clones are one of my favorite parts of the whole thing. Shame they got less attention then they should in the movies.

At least the expanded universe got us some cool games and stories for them.

>>55139094
BUY STAR WARS™
IT'S FUCKING EVERYWHERE
BUY IT ALL
EVEN THE SHITTY CHEWBACCA ONESIES ™

B U Y
I T
N O W

And make sure to watch the legendary sequel The Last Jedi™, in 3-D to get the full cinematic experience. It'll have Nines in it and you fucking love him because you fucking love memes and Nines is the meme guy. Rey ™ is in it too, and you want your YAS QUEEN to slay the empire. You should buy a large popcorn, you get a free refill. Remember, you're not a real Star Wars™ fan unless you see The Last Jedi™ at least 3 times. You will see that fucking movie goddammit.

At least when there was oversaturation in 1999, it wasn't exclusively focused on the nerdy nostalgia crowd. And effort was at least put into it.

>>55140401
>podracing
Ruined by annoying Anakid.

>droids deploying on the battlefield
Ruined by Gungans.

I guess the most I can give you is that the AT-ST was still cool despite getting rekt by Shitwoks, but we all know the AT-ATs in EST were the bossest.

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>>55139094
>Clickbait title
>heyguiserandomfuckwitonyoutubesaidthing

What do you think buddy boy?

>>55139508
Don't forget that unlike X-wing it doesn't have the illusion of being cheaper then others. One of the factors that's allowed X-wing to get big is the fact that due to selling fighters as singles, in pairs or at most in triple packs (usually the starter sets) people have associated it with being a cheaper wargame to enter despite the fact that for what you're getting it's actually pretty standard.

Armada didn't take off like X-wing because due to its nature it required 100$ be downed to get in instead of 50$, and as a result of that same nature it's reliant on fewer, more expensive models. Now they're fine models, and appropriately priced in my opinion, but because of what they're placed next to you don't see them flying off the shelves like you do X-wing.

Legion has everything going against it. It can't attract hobbyists, costs too much (entry level is 80-90$ for the starter set), and like Armada also has the problem of a lack of recognisable material to use on top of that. How many variants of Stromtrooper or Rebel Solider do you think they can make before people stop caring?

While I don't think it'll fail, I think it'll end up in the same boat as Armada: good enough to keep going, but nothing like what it in theory should have been.

>>55144267
I would recommend you do some research and watch the Clone-centric episodes of the Clone Wars series. They're honestly great, think Star Wars Vietnam.

>>55145125
I totally agree.

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>>55145125
>will end up like every single FFG title I have ever heard of

Could be worse

>>55140309
They largely died off for the most part, Heroclix is still around but it's real fucking niche now.

Contenders for most important/notable miniature games:

- Little Wars, for starting it all
- WHFB, for putting miniatures on the map, specifically 28mm heroic scale skirmish/company level games
- 40K, for being the market leader for decades
- LotR, for being a decent game and for absolutely ruining GW's direction after its bubble burst until the past year or two
- Warmahordes, for popularizing the tourneyfag mentality and for providing the only actual competitor to GW

Honorable mentions
- X-Wing, for attracting normies and proving that transferring popular IPs to miniatures can work, and for being the only real ship based game to take off (sorry, DfC and BFG)
- Malifaux for having a novelty gimmick in the card system, and having the western aesthetic no one else is really doing

All else are basically nobodies. What does Infinity and other games really do that make it noticeable? It's not popular, it's not a money maker, why is it important? Bolt Action and FoW are nice, but historicals aren't even popular. Dystopian is dead just like Spartan. AT-43 is similarly not special at all.

So what does this new Star Wars miniature game do that makes it more important than landmark games like WHFB, 40K, Little Wars, or X-Wing?

>>55139392
This guy has less than 1000 fucking subscibers what is wrong with you faggots. I can understand not wanting to spend your precious time watching the video but if that's the case just don't post in the thread, christ

>>55146467
What about Battletech? It may be dead today, but when it was big it was huge by industry standards.

>>55146527
BT was 6mm right? I give the game props, but it neither stayed alive, nor did it popularize 6mm miniatures or mecha wargames. It's like an athlete that makes it into the hall of fame, but one who doesn't become a household name or historical legend.

>>55139094
What's with the supposed hype for Legion? There's been other Star Wars miniatures games before. Who cares? The models themselves look mediocre too.

>>55139094
This is Star Wars' what, fourth? Fifth? License holder for tabletop games?

It will come, it will maybe or maybe not make a spash, it will be dead in 5 years.

>>55146777
Yeah the GoT ones look better but I don't have high hopes for either.

>>55147022
But GoT is the fantasy/aos/kow/9th age killer! An anon on the interwebs said so

>>55139094
As a person who grew up and was educated in England despite being born in America, why the fuck is this guy doing a shitty Lister impression?

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>>55139094
Sure it will, because it's STAR WARS!!!

>>55146644
>BT was 6mm right? I give the game props, but it neither stayed alive,

In fairness, BT has had more novels than any other game line except for Star Wars and (now) W40K. There's something like 150 BT novels. Plus the TV series, which is an achievement it shares only with D&D and Star Wars. Plus what? Like 10 computer games (the entire MechWarrior series).

And it does, somehow, still exist, though the IP's been horrifically mishandled in almost every possible way by Catalyst, and the company is run by LITERAL criminals.

>nor did it popularize 6mm miniatures or mecha wargames

Agreed on the first, though it's worth pointing out that nothing has popularized Mecha wargames more than BT in the history of gaming. Every single other Mecha game has been orders of magnitude less successful than BT. I don't play BT now, but it's worth remembering that it was HUGE from ~1989-1998. You couldn't go into a hobby store without seeing its product, and the thing that mostly slowed it down wasn't failure as a game, but the people who ran FASA deciding that wargames were going to die anyway because of computer games. The game didn't crater and fail on its own.

>>55139094
star was is alright but star wars fans are cancer

>>55139419
Lord of the Rings was more popular than Fantasy... during the film period. A LOT of people played it, I remember the stores having nights and multiple campaigns dedicated to it and the stock flew off the shelves.

Then as soon as the film hype ended it plummeted and never recovered. Then The Hobbit came out but it never had the same 'wow' factor LotR did anyway, plus it was during GW's Long Night period anyway.

Star Wars though? Star Wars' popularity pretty much never wanes, especially not now there's new generations getting into it, whilst being fed a stream of new, constant media. Even before there were any whispers of Disney taking over, Star Wars stuff always did well in terms of merchandise. A lot of Normies know LotR, but even more know Star Wars.

Star Wars might be the one thing to actually dredge Games Workshop's beaten wives away from 40k just because it's Star Wars. There's pretty much no other IP that could do that based on name alone. It will also have been long enough for the "8th is literally perfect in every way, no I never looked at Warmahordes/Infinity daddy I swear!"

>>55146777
Because it's FFG, who have both the money and existing fanbase (X-Wing) to shove their product out there and make it stick. It's not some Kickstart project by three dudes either, which adds that 'professional' sheen to a new product that otherwise makes people so shy of trying new games.

>>55145125
How many variants of Stromtrooper or Rebel Solider do you think they can make before people stop caring?

How many variants of loyalist Space Marine do you think they can make before people stop caring?

>>55139094
I have high hopes that it will work as containment game for all the spazzy fanbois and gurrlgamers. Holy shit, how is SW popular again, when the last two decades were just shitty release after shitty release, and the new movies are almost literally a remaster of the original trilogy, just with more black people?

>>55146953
Just like X-wing, right?

>>55153138
>it will work as containment game for all the spazzy fanbois and gurrlgamers
AoS called.

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>>55139965
Same, I want droids.

>>55153616
AoS managed to de-louse warhammer from the toxic waac cunts that all threw a massive fit, WFB was a mistake.

>>55140542
>AT ST
>AT ST

Star Wars tabletop a shit.

>Mandated canon colour schemes.
>Spura-limited faction choices
>Speciffically discourages your dudes in favouf of woooaaaahhh Han Solo! Wooooooaaaah Luke Skywalker!

>>55146953
Third. WEG, WotC, FFG.

This sounds like fun based on the general premise. FFG does a good job at making fun games, despite or because of their proprietary stuff. I want to see some Wookee miniatures though, but I can understand why they are going with vanilla Rebels for now.

>>55154019
So, like 40k?

>>55146953
yes obviously things are exactly the same as they were back then

also xwing is already beating 40k in the US

>>55154154
ayyyyy

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>>55139339
This.

You see the fan reaction to this manufactured second Force Friday and the backlash against the new vehicles?

Then Disney kneejerking and pulling takedown orders on all the youtubers Lego sent free sets to for reviews?

Also, a fucking spider leg chicken walker. What the fuck were they thinking?

>>55144494
This is sadly accurate.

>>55146467
No Kreigspiel?

>>55154246
It didn't use miniatures.

>>55154191
so wait, what happened? Apparently I missed something. Do we hate the new Star Wars stuff now?

Based on what they showed off at Gencon, it looks like a pretty nice game so far. The miniatures probably won't be super customizable, but they look decent enough. The most important thing for me is that all of FFG's miniatures games play pretty well, and if this follows that trend my group will probably pick this up. That said they should release some cooler miniatures for the rebels if they don't want everyone to just play the empire. This would be a perfect time to add in Wampa riders among other craziness.

>>55154449
Apparently. A lot of the /tv/pol/ types haven't been happy with it. My only issue with TFA is that it is kind of a repeat of ANH as they are playing it really safe. Otherwise it is a fine movie that doesn't make the mistakes the prequels did. I can understand that getting rid of EU pissed off some fans, but it was necessary.

>>55154499
*tauntaun riders.

>>55154499
Yeah, I was also a bit disappointed about TFA (after getting over the hype) being so formulaic. I'm really hoping that the new film does something different. If luke reveals himself as rey's father or something i'm walking out of the theater though.

>>55154449
Disney released images of Kylo's personal TIE, then later the new Star Destroyer and AT-AT.
Ahead of Disney's Force Friday II where most Last Jedi stuff is supposed to be revealed Lego did what it always does and gives the biggest Youtube Lego reviewers copies of sets to review before they hit store shelves.

The reaction of fans was this:
>Oh, so he's raising the squashed love child of his shuttle and a TIE Interceptor.
>The pizza slice ship and GORILLAS WITH FRICKIN LASERS ATTACHED TO THEIR HEADS (bonus points, Popular Mechanics put out an article on why its a much worse design for a military vehicle than the already bad AT-AT)
>Holy fucking shit, I don't even. So the Resistance just mated a B-Wing with a Naboo Fighter, their new fighter is their troop transport cut in half, AT-STs were bred with spiders?!

Disney response
>Look at this cool art of how its wings fold up!
>Here's our designer talking about how this is the greatest thing he'sever worked on, btw Rey is totes your daughter's rolemodel now so oppose us at your own peril.
>Lego dropped our products early and gave away our position, they are as clumsy as they are stupid.

>>55154531
>If luke reveals himself as rey's father or something i'm walking out of the theater though.
Oh fuck, I have to agree with you there. Don't remind me of that possibility. Hopefully Rian Johnson does things differently than JJ.

>>55154564
>The pizza slice ship and GORILLAS WITH FRICKIN LASERS ATTACHED TO THEIR HEADS
I will have to lurk /toy/ and see this shit for myself. I don't think that they can get stupider than the prequels, but I would love to be proven wrong.

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>>55154592
It has a giant dish cannon in its back, it has gorilla front legs because one of the designers threw out the idea in a brainstorming session, and it has spikes on its legs to cut tow cables.

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>>55154619
New fighter. Which is literally the Headhunter to the Resistance Troop Transport X-Wing. Finn uses it to reach the "casino planet" which is funtionally Nar Shaada but shiny and new, with space horse racing.

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>>55154619
I can understand why they did it, but that is dumb. If they wanted a more realistic AT&T they wouldn't give it big legs in the first place. I think that it would be OK if they got rid of the chunky bits on the very bottom.

>>55154654
Is he supposed to be holding the laser with his bare hands like that? I haven't played with legos since I was a kid, but I thought that you were supposed to flick them out of the tubes to pretend that you are shooting it.

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>>55154654
Resistance Bomber. Functuonally a B-Wing, but new, to the point the leaked scenes of the cockpit interior looked identical to the B-Wing.

Bombs >>55154191 these things in a battle.

>>55154654
>>55154619
WTF

that gorilla walker though. lol.
and the fighter is... I'm not sure what that is.
I actually get the spider leg walker though. There even was a spider style imperial walker in the EU (not that this one looks similar).

>>55154692
>designing a new ship based on an old ship. >that in the background material was actually LESS reliable than the previous bomber that had to have its armor plating left off due to needing constant repairs.

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>>55154691
1) Its not for realism, it was basically just because some guy said "what if it walked like a gorilla" and a second guy said "what if its back was just a big cannon".
2) That's just an image from one of the Youtube reviewers playing with it before the Disney takedown notice went out.

Kylo's personal ship, the TIE Silencer. The wings fold upwards to land, like a shuttle.

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>>55154755
Finally the new Star Destroyer, the First Order Dreadnought.

Basically Snoke's Executor.

Flat top, bottom is two giant cannons pointed diagonally. Notable because leaks of the Lego version months ago is how we found out about the evil BB8, Snoke having pink skin with a golden Jedi robe, and him having his own red Royal Guards.

Unfortunately Disney has responded to criticism of Force Awakens mostly being a regurgitation with visually the same ships by still using the same ships but with glaring alterations. Not many people are praising these and most outright hate at least one, so Disney panicked and went after the Youtubers to try and put this back in the box until after the Friday shopping sprees end.

>>55154692
>Pink haired pilot
Manic pixie girl waifu?

>>55154191
Trash design out of 80s pulp scifi art.
>>55154654
Simply a trash design with no aerodynamics.
>>55154692
JUST USE AN UPPED B-WING YOU FUCKS, IT LOOKED WAY BETTER THAN THIS
>>55154755
This is almost okay, except the cockpit ruins the whole TIE design motif. Also I can't tell if it FOLDS up or ROTATES up, which I would have different complaints for in either case.

You can't tell me that any of these hold a candle to the A-Wing or the Y-Wing. These look like toys, not military vehicles (space or otherwise).

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>>55154835
Haha benis

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>>55154873
Wings slide up then slide down halfway, but in concept art. It may no longer do that.

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There's also this.

>>55139965
I hate the Prequels with a passion, but I love the design of the Droid army.

>>55155019
Shit, the Gungans were cool too if you remove Jar Jar.

Ever play Galaxtic Battlegrounds? Gungan tech is pretty neat.

>>55154964
It's a VANITY modification? Jesus, I already hated Kylo Ren but this just ups the stakes.

Anyway having Interceptor/Striker-style forward swept wings like that POINTING STRAIGHT UP is a fantastic way to break your shit in a busy airspace. It's also super impractical for ship-based resupply, due to TIEs being ceiling mounted.

>>55155093
I think that ship is just Kylo's, barring any squads that Fantasy Flight makes up for generic pilots.
Like Vader's. Except Vader just kind of decided a scrapped prototype was his like a cat in an empty box, and Kylo's might have been the candy that Snoke used to lure him into the pizza van.

>>55146467
Historicals are bigger than all the fantasy and scifi put together...

>>55155157
Literally only because the Perry bros. are awesome.

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>>55155177
>28mm historicals

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>>55155193
>15mm "paintjobs"

The Prequels had better ship and vehicle designs than the new trilogy.

How could they have messed up this bad?

>>55153875
I KNOW WHAT THAT IS

>>55155253
The problem with the prequel ships is every one of them was superior from a design standpoint to those of the OT.

Its like if World War 1 had steel jets and World War 2 had wooden biplanes.

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>>55155019
I think that in general the prequels have very good design for the most part, even if the tech wasn't always there to realize it.

>>55146467
As a malifaux lover/Infinity hater, I would still say that Infinity is more significant than malifaux.

Malifaux aped/followed a lot of PP's design and their card system weren't really picked up in popularity.

I argue for Infinity being significant due to being the first game to really rely on using digital media as the rules index, and probably the most crunch heavy game in the market right now.

Also it survived through 3 editions.

>>55140215

The Maul Fight was good, the others not so much. In fact a LOT of TPM is shat upon for no good fucking reason other than it not being the second coming of the christ that fans wanted it to be.
It is a distinct step above the next two films. Used physical sets where possible, didn't go fucking overboard with the CGI characters (although the ones we got were pretty horrific, everyone remembers Jar Jar's racist jive talking, nobody really remembers Watto, a hook nosed covetous merchant living in the desert who has this setting Jesus allegory as a slave. Selbulba was the only one who worked)
And what fight scenes we got, were pretty decent because they didn't go completely overboard.

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>>55155233
>worrying about something only 5% of your opponents will actually have bothered to do, and 2% actually done well

>>55154692

That's a fucking Starcraft Wraith Fighter...... I like it.

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>>55155575
>Playing with people who can't be assed to learn to paint minis

This is why our community is decaying. Worthless shits who can't be arsed to work for their fun, and coddling enablers like you.

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>>55155690
>implying I'm not the 2% playing with other 2%ers

>>55154019
You literally just described 8th edition

>>55154019
>caring about personalization

Write your name on your stuff and stop being a fucking fag

>>55156156
>wanting to run an army of the most faceless, mooky mooks that ever graced fiction
Even red shirts have more variety because at least they have visible faces to differentiate them

>>55156295
And this matters... why?

>>55156364
You dont want more of a modelling experience than popping nameless trooper #263 off the sprue and colouring his joints in with a sharpie? Or mind that your miniatures are all but identical to those of the guy next to you?

>>55144494
wait, don't tell me tr8tor is in the last jedi
sheeeit
i might pirate it just for the memes

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>>55157050
Then play EU games instead of Nücanon.

Like X-Wing, you can mix EU and Disney canon.

The Empire in the EU fell apart into warlords with armies very individual, and Rebels shows Rebel cells were fairly unique.

>>55155157
>literally don't even have threads on /tg/

>>55157050
I don't enter wargames for the "modelling experience." I play wargames to play wargames. To think strategically, tactically or both and outwit my opponent.

If you went to a hooker, would you want to play dress up with her before you got to the fun?

Jesus-fucking-Christ the faggots these days.

>>55158154
Ey, fuck you.

You want gameplay you go to /v/, you want playthings you go to /toy/.

/tg/ is for when they're a 50/50 split.

>>55158154
>would you want to play dress up with her before you got to the fun?

I would indeed put on my robe and wizard hat.

Where do you think you are to even ask such a thing?

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>>55158154
>Going for quick, low-effort thrills with a hooker instead of crafting a rich backstory and creating intricate costumes and set-pieces with your loving partner
Into the fucking trash you go

>>55158066
herp derp. what is Historical Wargames General and Naval Wargames General. Two threads that are near universally on the /tg boards. And about Historical war gaming. Just because the board isn't flooded with pretty pointless "What if Patton had not died in 1945. Would he be the Warmaster?" threads is a point in Historical Wargamings Favor.

>>55155690
In my experience there are FAR less greytiders playing historicals than with any other games. It is just a trend amongst the old dudes who are into them I guess.

>>55158759
Don't forget Flames of War threads either.

>>55154755
I actually like this one, but yeah it is not as good as original trilogy designs.

>>55154755
Black and red, because otherwise we wouldn't be sure it's evil.

>>55139094
>Engage the hypershill drive!
>On the internet? That'll kill us!

>>55157050
If I wanted a modelling experience, I would be building gunplas. It's for a game, play the game.

>>55163274
This desu. FFG does a good job at delivering fun gameplay. My only actual gripe will be how much you get for your money with the game and its expansions.

>>55155325
Except the Rebel Alliance is basically a likeable Al Qaeda, so it makes sense that their stuff would be good

>>55158759
>258 replies
>38 posters

WOO SO POPULAR

>>55154449
>>55154499
Nu-SW is canon. It resets the storyline and reduces the story to a hollow shell purely for marketing and to pander to muh nostalgia

Whatever isn't just a near shot-for-shot repeat of ANH in TFA is just the Old EU but worse. Starkiller Base is a worse version of Suncrusher. Kylo Ren is a worse version of Jacen Solo. Rei is a worse version of Jaina Solo. First Order is a worse version of Imperial remnant.

Even the Nu-EU is utter shit compared to the old. Compare the gender pronoun pushing mess that is Aftermath to Heir to the Empire, books that both did the same thing at different times.

There's endless more issues I could list but I don't feel like ranting.

>>55166007
"literally don't even have threads on /tg/" is what you said. there are two threads up currently. Looks like you were talking out of your ass. Unless you are unaware what literally means.