Pathfinder side character

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>>55132570
Can't go wrong with Healsut Cleric or support Bard DESU.

I was considering those options and haven't tossed out the idea of bard. Just worried about putting too much pressure on a new DM. Thought about skill centric investigator filling out a face or knowledge role. Cause a heal bot or bard with good bonuses could make most combats super easy with a DM unfamiliar with making encounters a bit harder.

>>55132697
To be fair, combats should always be easy if the party is playing smart and not rushing into suicidal situations. If players put time and effort into making a character, they should be allowed to enjoy that character, rather than being thrown into the meat-grinder death parade right away.

>>55132722
Agreed but the group has a healer and such. And they should be more then capable to handle anything thrown at them if they plan. But I feel like if I rolled up another good combat support character they could even get away with running in all suicidal without issue, and I feel like that takes away from the experience somewhat. When nothing's really at stake what's the point? I was just kinda hoping for maybe clever fun to play ideas for characters that could help in small ways. Kinda like a group side kick.

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>>55132788
The Witch class has some cool support/control magic while shying away from actual blasty spells, and it's low hit dice gives you a fair reason to stay out of combat... although I suppose a wizard kinda does the same thing.

>>55132813
Didn't think about that. Could definitely be fun and has lots of room for flavor.

>>55132697
Investment in mundane skills is almost never worth it in Pathfinder. Anything you can do with a mundane skill can usually be done much better with a spell, usually of level 3 or below. You could be a level 10 Rogue or Investigator with +30 stealth, or a level 5 wizard with vanish and +40 to stealth from that.

"Face" skills are kind of bad for a different reason. If one person has them, they kinda set the bell curve for everyone. I find it's more fun if EVERYONE is able to make convincing in-character arguments and such, based on how they roleplay. For a time I actually ran games without using Diplomacy/Bluff/Intimidation as skills and just left it all to roleplaying.

>>55132697
If your looking to stay off center stage you might want to avoid being the party face. dose the group have a rogue? good guy rouges can be fun side characters with useful utilities to offer up. playing a thief who doesnt just fuck over the party might also be a good way to let the new players know that characters can have depth beyond just their class.