How do we fix them?

>>55128696
tubal ligation

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>>55128696
By leaving the past where it belongs. Nostalgia cannot be fixed, it already benefits from being safe and comfortable.

They're kinda vague. They play games, but they're not symbols like Christ-chan or Vivian. And they don't have a good artist attached to them like that /aco/ girl with the stonkin' tits.

>>55128863
They're also not alt-right symbols like Vivian, which is a plus

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>>55128965

>>55128863
>stonkin' tits
Go on.

>>55128696
Have them be a lesbian couple. make them hold hands alot!

>>55128982
That's literally the entire character. She's an overdeveloped girl who is also a super hero without any powers but she's got great tits and that's all /aco/ cares about and I can't even remember her name.

>>55129012
>make them hold hands alot!
You sick twisted fuck.

>>55128965
It's about ethics in game journalism and putting uppity whores where they belong, anon.

>>55129165
See, that's why Gamergate failed. You have good ideas, but then you people came and mixed everything up with misogyny.

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>>55128696
>select all images with trees

kek

>>55129229
But I don't hate women, just whores.

Also,
>failed
Considering how it indirectly set the cultural stage for a bunch of LARPing neonazis to meme a property mogul into the white house, I say it did anything but fail.
Perhaps even succeeded too well.

>>55128794
...by making it appeal to pedophiles?

>>55129324
Did you mistake that for some little girl cosplaying cestree? Because it looks like patrician 2d to me.

>>55129303
See? You're the alt-right. Go back to /pol/, you Nazi scum

>>55128696
Less tots
More bott

>>55129378
Nein, mein Freund

>>55129346
>Very, very obviously meant to resemble a little girl, both in clothing and body proportions
>But she's definitely not a little girl and jerking off to her definitely doesn't make me a pedo and if you suggest she looks like a little girl you're delusional

>>55129346
Fapping to something that's supposed to represent a little girl is still pedophilia.

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>>55129435
>>55129423

>>55129229
I know, right? I remember being all "oh yeah man I'm tired of not being able to trust reviews and all the major sites all hopping on publishers' dicks and reviewers giving biased scores based on politics and shit!" and then they were like "yeah and so that's why some literally who indie dev is a total whore and SJWs are ruining gaming" and then it kinda lost its luster.

>>55129035
Golden Girl

>>55128863
>They play games, but they're not symbols

Cestree is ideal /tg/.
Knowledgeable but humble, kind, helpful, loves games and always wants to learn more about them.

Ribbon is actual /tg/.
Arrogant, spiteful, an insufferable know-it-all who might not actually know all that much, but once every so often does something to make you smile.

>>55129527
Thanks. It was gonna bother me.

>>55129346
Loli is still pedophilic man

I mean do you at the end of the day but if something looks and acts like a child. Y'know?

>>55129881
That's how /pol/fags work, they deny deny deny because they're the true criminals of 4chan.

>>55129881
>>55129435
are you telling me little girls have that kind of bodankadonk?
She's wider than most of the girls after sophmore split in my region.
Where do you fucking live where ladies have hips wider than their shoulders pre-puberty?

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>>55132050
>damage control

>>55132689
>getting this embarrassed you get your idea of a woman's body from anime
I don't see the point.

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>>55132700
???????????????????????

>>55128696
Give a bit of boobflesh from cestree to Ribbon

>Three fucking years later
>Losers on both sides still can't get over gg

>>55132050
my goodness, you're right. since no artist has ever drawn a character of any age with exaggerated or inaccurate proportions, we can safely say this character isn't a little girl at all! her hips are simply too wide - there's simply no possible way she was ever intended to look like a child.

>>55129509
I remember getting into it because I cared about the truth, and getting out of it because the mob cared about sticking it to social justice. It went from "you're lying to us! we demand honesty!" to "you're an actual paedophile lmao! here's unverified hearsay to prove it!" to doing all the unethical shit we were supposed to be fighting.
too much staring into the abyss, I guess.

>>55133297
If the artist intended that to look like a child and not some kind of weird age-play shit, they really suck at anatomy.

>>55133385
I guess it'd be a real shame for your argument if there were readily available examples of deliberately exaggerated anatomy in this very thread, wouldn't it? something to act as an on-hand reminder that artists sometimes deliberately oversexualise their drawings.
especially if it were somewhere prominent like the OP.
yeah, that'd be a real shame.

>>55129324
I am just a smugphile

>>55133529
So your argument is it's a little girl with grown woman proportions.

>>55133717
whatever helps you sleep at night kiddo.

>>55133861
Okay.

>>55133897
You fucking /pol/fags will all go to jail

>>55134194
I am a third party who came in to correct yall about your frankly alien ideas of what children look like.

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>>55133000
Go to bed, Ribbon.

>>55129266
You don't happen to know the vintage on that fine image do you good sir?

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>>55134194
>you will go to jail for thoughtcrime
Refrain from stepping

>>55128696
>How do we fix them?
We could ask the "artist" to stop spamming them. Japanese Bird Cooking Spaghetti was at least cute.

>>55134194
>>55135141
>/pol/tards casting their own bait
Pretty sad!

>>55135288
>""
>implying they're not cute

You've got a lot of salt.

>>55132050
She's a succubus. She can't help it.

>>55128965
vivan isnt really a alt-right symbol.

>>55128696
Even out how much tit each has (medium is best, cowtits and flatfucks get out) and then give them less one-dimensional personalities.

>>55133110
it's not that they arnt over it, it's just the new scub, same as SJWs vs anti-feminists or neo-nazis vs antifa. its just scub now

>>55129229
>>55129509
>>55133297
I think it's sad how the "misogyny" thing just became widely accepted fact. Just goes to show that the fifth estate is way more powerful than you and a "consumer revolt" means nothing if you don't have any big guns in building your narrative.

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>>55135141
>Be borderline /pol/ classical liberal
>That shitty test classifies me as authoritarian left

Yeah, I guess "to each according to their need, from each according to their ability" is inherently isn't a bad idea, does that make me a commie? Because I believe the phrase sounds like a nice utopia that's unattainable because fuck the government? Fucking hell this test sucks.

>>55135141
>libertarian
>banning things
hardcore college campus sjw's are authoritarian in their desire to root out inconvenient facts

>>55137497
Yes she is.

>>55137805
>to each according to their need, from each according to their ability

Anon, that phrase forms the bases of socialism

>>55137497
>>55137875
I can see that idea developing for my eyes.
Gamergate is popular with counter-culture youtubers, counter culture youtubers are the voice for anti-sjw, anti-sjw's are cozied up to by racists, racists appropiate the alternative right.
It's sort of a guilt by associating thing.
Plus, there's a big willingness to villify gamergate so not a lot of proof is needed.

>>55137805
I don't think you understand what a classical liberal is. Do you just really like freedom of speech?

>>55138071
in today's stupid political discourse "classical liberalism" means just a bit left of center, so i think he means that

>>55128799
>By leaving the past where it belongs. Nostalgia cannot be fixed, it already benefits from being safe and comfortable.
Honestly this.

Replace them with something more fitting.

>>55128696
I think the term is "spaying"

>>55138006
I know, it's just that the question is really awkwardly phrased. I don't think you'll find anyone who disagrees with it as an abstract idea, just the ability of the government to enforce it.

>>55138071
I think I do. I'm using it to disassociate myself from the American definition of liberal (because calling the side of the spectrum that wants the most government intervention liberal makes perfect sense over there for some reason).

>>55138519
clasicall liberal means right libertarian, are you a libertarian?

>>55138547
>clasicall liberal means right libertarian
Show me where you find this equivocation, because I can't find it anywhere. The closest I can get is the Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy calling libertarianism the most extreme form of classical liberalism.

But to satisfy your curiosity: no, I'm not a libertarian. While I do believe that the state should ideally be as restrictive as possible, I do not see it as a legal monopoly that needs to be abolished.

>>55138621
Classical liberals belived that the state should only upkeep the army, police force and fire fighters, while the market takes cear of the rest, it's the "state as the night watchman" idea. It goose as far as to say that parents cant force their children to do anything because they do not own them, but at the same time have no obligation to feed and take care of them (this was of course a thought experiment and should not be taken 100% seriously). What is known as "classical liberal" today, is being a liberal but not agreeing with the democratic party in the usa

>>55128965
Ebin

>>55137805
If by liberal you mean National Socialist then sure...

>>55138952
Real national socialism has never been tried

>>55128965
>>55137875
you leave vivian alone. she's one of the only good things to come out of the whole business.

>>55138050
it was seriously a huge problem. everyone was yelling about journalism and integrity and nepotism, and they were right to do that, but some of them were also yelling everything from bitter nonsense about women to actual holocaust denial. I don't think a month went by without some prominent gamergate character saying something indefensible.
like, there was a time when the guy from Disturbed got interested, but he got decidedly un-interested when he discovered just how much /pol/ hates jews. ironically or otherwise, they couldn't put it down for five seconds and it cost gamergate a lot of support.

vivian was before those times and was only ever about video games.

>>55137617
it became accepted because it was true, dude. never as bad as antis wanted you to believe, but it was unquestionably there, and it got worse as time went on. the part of the internet that writes obviously fake greentexts about how they got revenge on their ex-girlfriend found an excuse to yell into the void about how terrible women and women-associates are, and they went for it.
for a long time gamergate wasn't about that for most people, but once gaming websites started picking sides - either doubling down and refusing to change, or saying "oh okay we didn't realise you cared about this, let's get on it" - and actually started adding disclosures and making corrections... there wasn't much point continuing to yell about it. we got as much of what we wanted as was feasible, and that was fine.
then more and more wacknuts started showing up and it was time to go. moderates moved on, radicals remained, and now all that's left is the lowest common denominator "ha ha look at this dumb idiot amirite guys, normies btfo" garbage.

>>55139675
It really was not true. But whatever. I guess I see gamergate as an event that ended eventually, whoever is using the hashtag now.

>>55138163
>more fitting.

...?

>>55128696
have them blacked with a big monstrous black COCK

>>55144456
That didn't work for you or your mom, so I'm not sure about the efficacy.

>>55144577
Worked for both Guts and Alucard.
Getting raped as a child builds character.

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>>55139675
As someone who followed GG since it was the Quinnspiracy, I remember that Vivian was made to prove that no, gamers are no "my soggy knees", which makes pic related more sadder since nu-/v/ gets in a riot everytime a game have female protagonist/important NPC (unless they are good waifu-bait), black dudes and/or killing nazis or americans.

>>55145111
god, I wish I could enjoy games without social crusaders like /pol/ and sjws and housewives scared of duh satan butting in.
Like, seriously, there has never been a point when some fucking political movement HASN'T been fucking with my games.

>>55128758
Underrated post.

>>55145111
This.

Gamergate then
>Putting pressure on websites to improve their journalistic standards by targeting advertisers and boycotting the sites.
>Speaking out against the incestuous indie games industry, where journalists would shill their friends' games and shut down anyone who didn't play by their highschool clique rules
>Donating to worthy causes

Gamergate now
>Spamming KANGS memes whenever there's a black character
>Whining about the EVIL WIMMINS every time there's a female character
>Flooding games whose developers disagree with them with bad reviews

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>>55145548
I would say less GG and more /v/, I mean for fuck's sake, you can't talk about Wolfenstein and old Call of Duty anymore because it triggers the fucking nazifags so much they start shitpost with Holocaust denial and "muh fuhrer did nofing wong".

>>55137805
Link to test please?

>>55145548
The difference between then and now was about a week.

>>55145111
Vivian was just a mascot, she wasn't there to prove anything.
The notyourshield stuff was there to prove that.
>>55145548
This transformation never happened. If anything gamergate morphed into a group solely concerned with defending itself against allegations of bigotry.

>>55129423
>>55129435
>>55129881
>if you play gta youre a real criminal

>>55145548
Games then:
>ME3 has a gay dude lmao
>lol fuck Russia and them towelheads

Games now:
>dude remember how black German soldiers fought on the Western front in WWI, and whites made up less than half of the British forces?
>haha yeah, reminds me of those black female Nazis!

>>55150283
aaaaaaaaaaaaaand you are proving everyones point. I'd like to remind you that both /v/ and /pol/ had a literal meltdown when they found that that in the new wolfenstein you killed nazis and there is a black cherecter in it

>>55151415
under the losest definition of a meltdown maybe

>>55151936
what losest? /v/ for like two weeks had at least one thred on the first page complaning that "you shoot nazis in wolfenstein because of thouse damn sjws femminists that are taking away are games, whaaa whaaa political corectness is killing us". /v/ and /pol/ have become the very thing they hate in videogames, a bunch of winny crybabaies that want everything to cater to them when they make up like less than 10% of the gaming population

>>55135141
There is so much wrong with this I'm not even sure where to begin

>>55150130
>Spelling mistakes means you're being emotional
>Your counter argument boils down to "I'm not a pedophile for jerking my penis at the imagery of a 12 year old being fucked in the ass by a horse, so if you play violent video games such as GTA you're not a criminal in the making because that would be stupid right?"
>Doesn't understand that the majority of child porn busts have both real CP and Loli/Shotacon
>Doesn't get the translation of Lolicon to English is "Pedophile"
Wew lad, I know it's your life and you can do what you want, but don't deny your a pedophile.

>>55152378
Well, shit. I made a grammatical error in my argument. That makes me look like a hypocrite. So, disregard my argument Micheal and there's no reason for you to be scared of Chris hiding under your bed. You're still a pedophile in my eyes though, anon.

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>if you get too popular on 4chan, you'll either end up as a hate symbol or as pedophile bait

>>55152474

Oh, Ribbon.

You were always pedo-bait. Unapologetic pedo-bait at that.

>>55144577
Ummm sweetie, go back to >>>/pol/

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>>55152571
Ribbon is pure! Pure!

>>55147719
I remember people alternating between the idea that gamergate may be alright now but started as a hate movement or that it may have started over legitimate concerns but quickly devolved into a hate movement. Because they needed to react somehow to the overwhelming proof that it was not connected to bigotry at all.
Later they realized that they didn't need to respond to anything at all, if they said gamergate was bad enough nobody could stop them from making it the accepted truth.

>>55151415
Try actually reading what I wrote, mong. Battlefield 1 is a complete misrerpresentation of historical fact that is pandering to non-gamers and spitting on the graves of WWI veterans. Not a single black person fought for the Germans on the Western front and yet in-game 1/4 of German forces are black. Only 1/2 of the British soldiers in the game are white. The cover art and promotional materials for the game prominently feature black and Arab soldiers rather than depicting the overwhelming majority of the people who fought in the war and the people who play the game.

CoD WWII goes a step further with its disgraceful revisionism and has black female Nazis for fuck's sake.

The difference between then and now is the degree to which games have been poisoned with unpalatable ideological propaganda, with the express purpose of belittling, demonizing, and ultimately erasing the identity of people like me, the average gamer, a white heterosexual male.

>>55153686
>CoD WWII goes a step further with its disgraceful revisionism and has black female Nazis for fuck's sake.

Amusingly this will only serve to soften the pop culture image of Nazis.

>>55128794
Smuglo.li get out of here

>>55153514
GG had a ton of problems from the get go, including the fact that while there were positive acts like #notyourshield, on the other hand you had a crap ton of rascists and far righters who really quickly latched onto it

>>55153686
> pandering to non-gamers
How so, people who play games are gamers. And it was a huge success, so i think you a projecting
>Not a single black person fought for the Germans on the Western front and yet in-game 1/4 of German forces are black.
So? You also did not have that many automatic weapons in WW1, tanks weren't as popular and you surly did not have people in suits of armor with gatling guns. It's not a ode to the fallen of WW1, it's a fictional video game set in a non-realistic scenario, if you want realism dont play the battlefield series

>CoD WWII goes a step further with its disgraceful revisionism and has black female Nazis for fuck's sake.
I find that funny

anon i dont think you understand how a argument works, your sopped to prove me wrong, not right by being a walking strawman

>>55145548
the problem was how they started early with "the biggest problems of ethics in game journalism is some indie game got indie reviews that liked it" as opposed to fucking everything companies like Bethesda do as a matter of course.
Asking for games journalism to be unbiased when the sellers of the largest games most in need of reviews are explicitly allowed to say "bias your reviews for us or we'll never interact with your publication" is missing the mark profoundly. And you don't fix it by whining at the websites who are forced to suck that corporate dick, you fix it by boycotting publishers who do that and making clear that's why you're doing it.

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>>55153737
No

>>55134194
Most /pol/acks want to gas them, you know that right?

>>55154661
>I know jack shit about it or have only read the anti-side of it
People where plenty angry about the triple A devs buying reviews. And other industry shenanigans such as durrito pope.
The shit storm didn't start as you put it "the biggest problems of ethics in game journalism is some indie game got indie reviews that liked it"
but with "a dev of a not all that good game fucked the people that gave her glowing revieuws. And once people started raising questions about this the game press decided to just say "lol who cares about gamers am I right""
oh and the mass bannings didn't help as well

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>Redlife is female

>>55146997
> make historical game about WWI or WWII
> we could make all short of interesting shit such as giving small nations their time to shine
> or allow you to play the baddies for once (I mean we've only been shooting nazis since forever)
> nah we will just make black female german soldiers, I mean fuck history who could get mad about this
> fans get angry at shooter clone 5000 now with black germans!
>oh shit they must all be nazis

also

>4chan
>nazi shitposting
you must pick two

>>55155221
That's freakin adorable.

>>55155221
I'm getting some strong Disgaea vibes.

>>55138519
>I don't think you'll find anyone who disagrees with it as an abstract idea
Anon, have you like... met people? Human beings? Normally between 4 to 7 feet tall, bipedal, fairly self-serving creatures?

>>55155221
They drawstyle looks familiar. The same guy does some Pathfinder OC.

>>55153739
You'd have to really cherrypick to find any racists (or rather, mysogynists) though. The whole idea that they were big enough to justify the movement being tainted is completely fabricated.

>>55137617
movements have to police their members and their message. you idiots let misogynists co-opt your inertia and run it into the ground.

>/tg/ then
a board full of creative individuals coming together to enjoy hobby
>/tg/ now
literally half the threads are politicized bait and most threads can't go on for too long without some idiot bringing up off-topic nonsense and whinging about it loudly for hours

is this what it was like to be on /v/ a decade ago?

>>55157963
A better question than "How do we fix them?" is "How do we fix us?"

>>55157897
The thing is, no. There was never any noticable bigotry, the accusations just became so strong that gg got pushed in the defensive, able to do nothing but police itself for harrassment and call out false accusations. That's what the entirety of the agenda ended up being. And it didn't work, because they were just guys on the internet, not a PR firm.
What ended up happening is that it drove a whole new generation into distrust of the media and into "alternative media". Which has to have contributed to the whole fake news phenomenon.

>>55158141
I think there's some arrogance in the "GG got Trump elected" narrative. An insane ammount.

>>55155872
Didn't think my faggotry would be easily recognized

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>>55128696
A bunch of anons already improved Cestree.

>>55162108
I hate how my disgusting-ass "rogue" is in there between all these really good ones.

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>>55128965
the fuck am i looking at here
>back when it was going on
>GGiggers were called squeeling uppity faggots
>now it's "alt right"
it was surprisingly left actually to the point where /pol/ was having a shit fit but also it's still a bunch of /v/irgins so cancerious memes everywhere
>>55145548
>Gamergate now
does not exist and hasn't for what a year

>>55138621
you could refer to yourself as a liberal minarchist or however it's spilt

>>55155221
Doriaaaaaan...~

>>55154661
>the biggest problems of ethics in game journalism is some indie game got indie reviews that liked it
to be fair most of the games i actually buy are indie because most big budget are not up my ally.
almost bought gone home.
but seriously it's the catalysis there was a lot of gripes with bullshit reviews, this one just was protected and showed how those folks have power in even our humble shitpile