What is the appeal of dwarves?

they're smelly manlets who like to drink just like me

>>55121243
They are a positive jewish stereotype.

>>55121243
They have a lot of antisocial qualities like being rude, having bad table manners and wary of outsiders but they're also noble, honest and courageous too so they allow people to play as rude or brusque characters while still being good enough to be considered a hero. That and their race alone gives people an idea of what they're like. Dwarves inherently have a lot of personality.

>>55121243
Honor, Family, Tradition, and Beer

They're a demihuman archetype that's just different enough from humans. Living underground and for centuries and knowing a lot of cunning arts is enough to make them alien, but they're still basically people you can talk to and deal with normally.

>>55121243
I am honouring my ancestors.

Stocky and hardy yet short is a nice little contrast. Makes them feel like powerhouses, too strong for their size. A giant is expected to be able to heft a man over his head. A midget is not.

>>55121243
Dwarves are, oddly enough, the most unique generic fantasy race. Elves are overhated but they are basically either "tree hippies" or "ancient declining empire", neither of which are distinct to classic fantasy.

>>55121243
>race of smelly, autistic bearded manlets get portrayed positively
>i sure wonder why manlets, autists, and no personal hygiene neckbeards like to play them

>>55121243
They are anti-feminine for all these that think that girls are icky, anti-social for all these that have trouble with people, drink, smell, are thickheaded, loud, constantly angry and fat. Yet the archetype allows their players to convert these traits into something that appears to be positive.

>>55121243
Dwarves are the neckbeards power fantasy.

I used to hate dwarfs. I thought to myself: "i'ts allways the same old shit. Dwarfs are Dwarfs, the same in every setting." I mean, look at Orks and Elves in Tolkien, Warcraft, and Warhammer. There are quite a few differences between them. Dwarfs in Tolkien, Warcraft, Warhammer... it's all the same. But nowadays, i like this familiarity. If a new setting or game comes out, and it hast dwarfs, i know what i'm getting. Feels kinda comfy.

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>>55121243
I just want to be really tough and hard to kill, what's difficult to understand?

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>>55121799

>>55121831
Being fair, nobody actually calls the Dwemer "dwarves", ever.
Also, they're extinct.

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>>55121946
http://en.uesp.net/wiki/Skyrim:Dwarves_(book)
The term dwarf is what they're more commonly referred to as, plus there's still this guy

>>55121243
To me, it's the hard work motif, arts and crafts. I see dwarves as the worker ideal to elf noble ideal.
Also non evil underground race, drow ruined the idea of underdark.

>>55122059
Read the first sentence of it, and I was talking about the fanbase more than anything. They're Dwemer, everyone calls them Dwemer. In no elder scrolls discussion does anyone really call them dwarves.
And yes everyone knows Yagrum but he's a curious exception and it's not like he's gonna revive his race. Calling them extinct is for brevity's sake.

>>55121243
They are alcoholic manlets with beerguts, occasionally bad hygiene and asperger as as a racial trait. The only difference between them and I is that they live in basements, I live in an attic.

>>55122059
hasnt been seen in 200 years plus where he lived kicked the bucket
he ded jim
he ded

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>>55121453
>>55121492
>>55121664
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>>55121797
>>55122259

>t. (((elves)))

>>55121243
they are badass alpha men

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>>55123056
Is that elf male or female? I legit can't tell.

>>55123056
Jeez anon, think of an argument for once instead of handing out (You)s so easily.

>>55121243
>superior facial hair to humans
>superior architecture to humans
>superior farming technique(they do it underground without sun, rain, or mice fucking their crops up, take that humans)
>superior smiths and craftmen to humans
>strong tolerance to alcohol
>tougher head than humans so in a headbutt match, the dwarf wins
You only like humans more because you are a human, and because dwarves are manlets, but they have manlet rage which is also another one of their appeals.

>>55123102
>elves
>having males

C'mon, anon, this is Fantasy Race Biology 101.

>55123167
This joke falls flat if you actually play traditional games.

>>55121824
Fucking spell failures reee

>55123301
Not at all.

>>55123167
Malus Darkblade.

>>55121243
cause when I play as a dwarf I get to do my horrible scottish accent which is horrible due to english not being my first language

>>55122194
I do

>>55123102
>he fucks (((women))) with shoulders that broad
Anon, I...

>>55123102
According to the artist, male.

Super archetypal and vary little between settings/itterations, so you can just put on a shitty brogue, yell about axes and beards and honor, and be set and in character for like 99% of fantasy settings.

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It's the Dwarves that go swimming with little hairy women.

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>>55123102
It's an elf

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>>55121243
Dedication to the level of of being seens as stubborn...
A dwarf, when dedicated to combat, will combat and refuse to run
A dwarf, when dedicated to crafting, will produce the finest masterpiece it can or die trying
A dwarf, when dedicated to mining, will produce awe inspiring ores
A dwarf, when dedicated to building, will shape mountains into imposing behemoths
A dwarf is dedicated, some people admire that over god given powers, natural born talents or lucky strokes of brilliance.

>>55121243
I always liked Bruenor from Salvatore's books. He is honest, resolute, gruff but loving - the perfect dwarf.

Sprawling underground complexes.

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>>55133082
>>55133095
Forgive my Tolkien ignorance, but what's the deal with the endless stair? Like, who built it and why? It certainly doesn't seem to be built for any useful purpose, and it's not particularly near any other dwarven architecture.

As best I can tell, it's probably some kind of ceremonial or religious labyrinth?

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>What is the appeal of dwarves?
When they're elves.

>>55133198
It's a stair that goes from the top of the mountain to the very bottom of the mine.

If you can't see how it could be useful you are blind.

>>55133928
but... why? Why does anyone need to between the top and the bottom? It's like building a trillion-dollar gondola to connect the peaks of Mt. Everest and K2.

>>55133999
Good, that way you could bypass the meat-grinder that is K2.

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>>55121243

>>55121243
what is the appeal of making the same thread every day, discussing the same things every day, repeating the same things that you've already said countless times in the past, rehashing the same arguments over and over again?
how do you not grow bored after the second or third time?
How does doing it entertain you?What kind of pitiful human bineg must you be that this is fun to you?

>>55121799
>Dwarfs in Tolkien, Warcraft, Warhammer... it's all the same
that's not true at all.
Dwarves in tolkien are extremely formal, polite, socially conscious, pompous and rigid. In the other settings they are smelly neckbeards but strong.

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>>55135798
I don't know, maybe the same reason people play the same game's over again, or set a campaign in the same setting, or really just converse on topics they like. You might cover some new ground you didn't before.

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>>55121243
Their hospitality

>>55121243
Gruff and manly

shame their racial features are lame, I'd consider playing as one

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>>55131427
All shit

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>>55133198

It just showed up one day.

>>55121243

LMAO 2CAT

dem fuckin dorfs man

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>>55121243
I think Terry Pratchett said it best
>Their terrible temperament when leaving their cave home most likely has to do with the fact that after apprenticing under your father as a blacksmith for 70 years, the first thing you probably want to do is drink some ale and punch someone

>>55138253
THIS
their culture is great but most rpg make dwarf mecanically sub par.

>>55138253
5e dorfs are pretty good

>>55141048
5e dorfs are pretty shit desu

>>55141048
If you the the STR and CON to be a good martial you overlap the armor and weapon proficiancies, you lose a square of movement. also stonecunning wtf
darkvision and poison resist are ok but nothing amazing

>>55141125
>stonecunning wtf

It seems someone has never used their stonecunning to collapse a bandit cave.

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>>55121243
Matriarcal dwarfs -yay - nay?

> dwarfen realms are pre-modern state
> constist only of houses (families) and guilds with little to no central authority
>90% of dwarfs are male
>basically immortal but constant feuds and labour accidents dwindle male polulation HARD while females are sheltered and mostly organise their families and collect/teach family traditions
>value seniority and experience very highly
> due to the above most heads of houses are female
>same for the the current dwarfen queen (mostly a figure-head but can defend the realm against existiantial inward threads (can call realm feuds against houses) and outward threads (can call the purely defensive realm war) as lain down in the great contract between all major houses

>>55141850
I always thought that this would be the natural consequence of the skewed male to female ratio and the reason why they always try to be as manly as possible is just compensation because at home they have to obey a woman, must not necessarily mean that the head of the state/nation/kingdom must be a woman, but even here they would excercise much more power.

The other consequence, that would work quite well for evil dwarves, is that females are treated as nothing but a valuable ressource, so you get male hyper oppression, mirroring the drow in some way.

>>55141850
No, you retard. Dwarfs are literally a male society.

>>55141850
If males have the highest death rates, how are they 90% of the population?

>>55142040
Different genetics means male and female children aren't equally likely, presumably

>>55141850
I like the potential for ant analogies

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>>55121243
A short and study creature fond of drink and industry.

I think dwarves appeal to people over elves because they feel more realistic (at least for a fantasy world). They have human flaws such as greed but also possess many admirable characteristics. Elves seem to have been Flanderised into absurdity from Tolkien's works to pretty superhuman action heroes, by being more mundane dwarves have managed, I think, to avoid that.

There's a lot of ways to play with the dwarven tropes of gold and mining (see Terry Pratchett's The Fifth Elephant,Thud! and others for how authors can use the traditional stereotypes for social commentary and humour.

>>55142040
>If males have the highest death rates, how are they 90% of the population?

What I meant to say is..they get born alot, they work and fight alot, they die alot..they do not get old. Oldest dwarf get's leadership normally so it's a feme.

I am aiming for a hopefully pretty realistic society. It is not equal. Fomen are to precious to risk in fighting/mining/whatever.

Also family is everything in my dwarfen setting. Families are the only legal entities and you are represented by your house father/house mother for as long as you live which can be oppressive.

Guilds arewhere many more free-spirited dwarfs flee.

>>55121492
>positive
>Jewish stereotype

Pick one.

>>55142147
Elves were superhuman action heroes in tolkien from the start. Humans were lesser but still impressive action heroes. Dwarves were nobodies and honestly seemed like an afterthought.

>>55142040
>>55142095
This. What I meant is... 90% of all births are male.

>>55142148
>realistic
Dropped

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>>55123056
Do Elves please old men for money?

>>55143525
Do bears shit in the woods?

>>55121734
they also have lots of drunken gay sex since dwarf women basically don't exist, or did exist at one point but died out 1,000s of years ago, so they just fuck eachother and are born fully grown out of the heart of the mountain they inhabit.

Homosex is the ultimate anti feminine right?

>>55123159
Elves have both Men and Women dwarves have no Women. The mountain they inhabit is the womb they are born from. So cleary there a race of gay hairy manlets

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>>55121243
They're the sexiest

>>55149113
Dwarves are so sexless and unappealing, they might as well never touch women.

>>55121243
What the fuck did you just fucking say about me, you little elf? I’ll have you know I graduated top of my class in the Royal Guard, and I’ve been involved in numerous secret raids on Silvermoon, and I have over 300 confirmed kills. I am trained in kisat dur and I’m the top marksdwraf in the entire fortress militia forces. You are nothing to me but just another knife eared target. I will wipe you the fuck out with precision the likes of which has never been seen before on this Earth, carve my fucking words. You think you can get away with saying that shit to me over the tavern? Think again, fucker. As we speak I am contacting my secret network of spies across the continent and your foot steps are being tracked right now so you better prepare for the storm, maggot. The storm that wipes out the pathetic little thing you call your life. You’re fucking dead, kid. I can be anywhere, anytime, and I can kill you in over seven hundred ways, and that’s just with my beard. Not only am I extensively trained in unarmed combat, but I have access to the entire arsenal of the fortress barracks and I will use it to its full extent to wipe your miserable ass off the face of the continent, you little shit. If only you could have known what unholy retribution your little “clever” comment was about to bring down upon you, maybe you would have held your fucking tongue. But you couldn’t, you didn’t, and now you’re paying the price, you goddamn idiot. I will shit magma all over you and you will drown in it. You’re fucking dead, kiddo.

>>55142212
>Dwarves were nobodies
Nobodies who Sauron deemed important enough and influential enough to make rings for them.

>>55146124
>>55149266
Nice samefag. By the way, in no setting is that little retardation of yours true. Going all the way back to Tolkien, dwarves have had females.

They're caricatures of stereotypical male traits. Strong, good at building things, stubborn, a little stupid, like to drink and fight and shout.

>>55150062
>Going all the way back to Tolkien
were there any dwarfettes in the eddas?

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>>55150062
>several hours apart
>samefag
It isn't even about that they have females, though they already were more male than female dwarves in his works, but that their representation and what most dwarffags like about them just screams: "I'm uncomfortable with everything feminine and look at how heterosexual I am!" Meanwhile barely any girls find them sexy. At least some get off on orcs.

>>55150033
>carve my fucking words
kek

>>55150080
Doesn't matter. Modern fantasy dwarves are drawn from Tolkien's work, not Norse mythology.

>>55150111
There were more males of EVERY race in Tolkien's works than there were females. Elves, Men, Hobbits. All have way more male characters than female. Not much of a point to be made there.

I don't know why we're debating what impression you get from random people on the internet. Not only am I not interested in discussing something as dumb as that, but it has no relevance to the argument I was originally making.

If you want to shout about what you think other people's real feelings are, go on Tumblr or something.

>>55150260
>All have way more male characters than female
That is not the point, the point is that it's canon that there is a skewed male-to-female ratio with his dwarves, similar to warhammer dwarves.
>http://tolkiengateway.net/wiki/Dwarf-women#Family_and_fertility

>Not only am I not interested in discussing something as dumb as that
>go on Tumblr or something
We sure as fuck are triggered, aren't we?

>>55150311
wouldn't it make more evolutionary sense for there to be significantly more women, if anything?
for reasons that are most likely obvious to you.

>>55121243
I like being the character's who's tough as rock and hits stuff back pretty good sometimes.

>>55150319
Wouldn't it for humans as well?

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I fucking love bearded female Dwarves. It's such a fun challenge to still make them effeminate and womanly.

Same as making a male Elf masculine.

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I'll just leave this here.

As others have pointed out, dwarfs are basically the ultimate wish fulfillment race for neckbeards. They are typically very Mary Sue-ish and even their flaws (rudeness, lack of social skills, drunkeness ) are obviously meant to make them more endearing. Elves are a bit similar but they constantly get flamed whereas dwarfs get a free pass.

(continued) I don't really hate them but they feel too much like idealised and overpowered humans. They have a few 'alien' character traits but for the most part they are just regular humans who do everything better and live hundreds of years. Boring.

>>55150989
My main issue with dwarves is the "these vices are good and endearing", when a human that does it, even right next to the dwarf indulging in them, are usually portrayed as being a "sad human being."

Like, I get people are trying to escape into their own fantasy realm here, but being a fat drunken asshole is not "charming" or "funny", not for a human, and not for a dwarf.

The only acceptable stereotype for dwarfs is the one that focuses on their toughness like >>55150632

Especially when they can use it to thrashtalk elves. And even then, it should be downplayed.

>>55121243
Stoic, but grumpy. I can dig it.

>>55150876
>>55151192
Good points. We are all playing make-believe and try ot have fun, but it helps being a bit self-conscious at times

>>55151192
I think this is because another cliche about dwarves is that they are an ancient and intrinsically noble race and therefore it's okay for them to be rude and at the same time demand that the 'lesser' races show them respect.

>>55151556
If that's your opinion and interpretation, sure.

But if you do that at my table, and use that as the excuse, then you'll get slapped if you dont do the same with elves.

As long as you are at least consistent, then I am good with whatever, honestly.

>>55151594
>But if you do that at my table, and use that as the excuse, then you'll get slapped if you dont do the same with elves.
??
If you slap the GM you get kicked out of the house. Raging spergs are not welcomed.

>>55142151
Dwarves.
Bonus choice: best mobsters.

We done?

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>>55131400
The sideburns don't look too bad, compared to full beards.

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>>55156375
It's a shame we didn't get to see more than a glimpse of them in the films.

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>>55156409

Halflings>>>>>Dwarves

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>>55156426

>>55156392
>>55156409
>>55156426
>>55156459

did they take a joke Aragorn said seriously?

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Are they for friending? yes.
Are they for fucking? sometimes
Are they for fighting? hope not
Are they for playing? never.

>>55150598
My brother.

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>>55150598
>implying elves aren't inherently masculine

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>>55158163
>elves
>inherently masculine

>>55156555
dumb fuck read more of tolkiens work, bearded dwarf ladies appear by name

>>55158527
>reading tolkein
Would rather read GRRM

>>55158555
dont
shit
on
motherfuka
tolkien
you dip shit fuck you

>>55141850
>his dwarves aren't universally female and are beardless/not hairy
>new dwarves are one of the things they mine for
>highly feminine culture within their cities
>long lived and understanding dealing with outside patriarchal societies led them to long ago braid their long hair in beards and wear hair shirts outside of their cities
>overt manliness is partial misconception, partial habit that other races buy into
>other races think only male dwarves exist when in truth it is tthe opposite.

>>55151556
>it's okay for them to be rude

Like 50% of the time this happens it's never okay. The "lesser" races think they're dicks and the short little fucks are in decline in their mountain holds.

>>55141850
I like the whole concepto of a barbarian female dwarf

>>55121636
>Dwarves are, oddly enough, the most unique generic fantasy race
PFFFFFTHAHAHA

The only interesting dwarf are TES dwarves, and those are just elves. Which also blows the fuck out of your second point about how elves somehow AREN'T the most malleable fantasy race. I honestly wish they were a little more banally static like dwarves so we wouldn't have to hear obnoxious faggots on /tg/ huff their in farts to the tune of "Ahem, MY elves are self-aware prolapsed anuses who communicate via tangible autism!"

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>>55163844
>tangible autism

>>55163919
Sorry, I said my elves were prolapsed anuses, not half a giant clam blowing a raspberry while it's lower half grows big pointy arms to scratch at what look like herpes scabs

>>55163844
>TES anything
>good
You have to grow up.

>What is the appeal of dwarves?
Probably the same as you making this thread about dwarves every day.
KYS

>>55164245
join us in the elven thread then
>>55158110

>>55164218
Says the guy defending manlet shut-in escapist power fantasy: the race

>>55164543
Try again, child.

>>55133198
Tolkein didn't elaborate, it was there long before the dwarves arrived at Moria, and things dwelled there that even Gandalf feared to speak of. All we know is that Gandalf chased Durin's Bane from the bottom to the top after falling into the chasm.

They can dodge arrows easily

This might be the most bumped non-general in the catalog.

>>55141048
hill dorf life clreic ftw