/btg/ BattleTech General

>>55120363
I'd Hold her Butte.

>>55120404
don't objectify women, please

it's extremely toxic and makes this community unfriendly to female players

>>55120404
As long as she's not ISF and doesn't tattle on everything you do....

>>55120447
I'll Hold your Butte too.

>>55120474
To paraphrase Han Solo, "he could use a good Butte Hold!"

>>55120448
Let them regale the Coordinator with tales of my great Davion prowess! He needs something to aspire to.

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Tell me a story about air fortresses, /btg/.

>>55120495
Whatever you have, try to equate it to the number of Leviathan IIs it's worth. That is all.

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>Cramped cockpit.

>>55120495
You can use a modular connection to link together different sections like Voltron. Technically, there is no size limit. You can have a flying city with drop port, streets, skyscrapers and a thousand drones.

Praise Blake!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kcukFLZ9CKE
Hey, the Japanese are making amazing things again.

>This bending test of a copper-aluminium-manganese single-crystal bar (68 cm in length and 16 mm in diameter)
It's almost like SF but it's reality.

>>55120535
The real issue is there's no dual cockpit version of the Wolverine.

>>55120668
If you're short a Chameleon, I'd reckon a Wolverine or Shad, hell maybe even a Griffin S might be a good trainer.

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How many Mjolnir battlecruisers would it take to kill a Leviathan II?

>>55120869
So many.

Anon looking to start from a few days ago. What do I need for assembling metal miniatures?

>>55120960
A metal file and blades for flash, a handheld drill (pin vise), some small wire for pinning, and super glue, the real liquid stuff, not gel. Also a little extra fine epoxy putty for when you start reposing and coarse cheap stuff for filling bases.

You'll need some rare earth magnets, bigger drill bits and regular liquid epoxy if you start making poseable or weapon swappable machines as well.

final BMM upload plz kthx

>>55121010
I've got everything listed but the file and epoxy.

>>55121010
Whats wrong with gel super glue? That's all I use.

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How does one fill these hex bases? Scenic glue?

>>55121085
Bond isn't as good. It's easier to use but doesn't set as well. Plus more expensive than the regular CYA stuff you can get two bottles for a dollar.

>>55121100
Cheap epoxy putty, like a tube of locktite from the hardware aisle.

>>55120869
About 12 to do so reliably, 6-7 for a 50/50 shot

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>>55120869

Depends on the parameters of the engagement. If you use, for example, a ship-mounted HPG to provide tracking information on the Lev once it's reached a certain velocity and therefore committed to a course heading towards a known jump point, then you can mousetrap it at relatively close range and without giving it a chance to respond with many more fighters than just its normal CAP. Under that sort of circumstance, you can almost certainly kill it with three Mjolnirs, and you have an *outside* chance of doing it with two (the Mjolnirs have to be in very close and use their superior speed to ensure they stay in a single damage arc of the Lev, so that their damage concentrates).

In a traditional naval engagement where both sides are approaching from well outside of the Extreme Range bracket, at moderate velocity, and have plenty of time to deploy parasite craft? I have no idea; I know that not enough Mjolnirs exist to try it. My guesstimate is 8+ Mjolnirs to get a guaranteed kill, and only *that* few because it between Extreme/Long range misses and bracketing damage reductions, it'll usually take a Lev 2-3 turns to kill a single Mjolnir, and the others are going to be driving straight in as fast as they can on evasive movement to cluster into a single damage arc and overload that arc ASAP.

I am also assuming here that the Leviathan isn't front-loading all of its DropShip collars with ASF carriers (which it *shouldn't*, given that it has guaranteed air superiority over anything short of a full Thera group or a Potemkin with a similar bullshit load of 25 Vengeances). I consider the "normal" loadout for a LevII to be 1 Aesir, 2 Vanirs, 1 cargo dropship, 2-3 Overlord-Cs, and 1-2 unused collars for "just in case" usage.

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>>55121183
this?

>>55121306
No, hell no. That stuff isn't for model purposes, and the stench alone is toxic.

Epoxy putty, as in kneadatite/ greenstuff, milliput.

>>55120448
"Today, Precentor Butt ejaculated prematurely again when we held hands."

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>>55121306
No. You want epoxy putty.

>>55120448
>implying it matters

Even Teddy married his O5P spy who sent all the raunchy details of their relationship to his cousin who also wanted to fuck him.

>>55121345
>That stuff isn't for model purposes, and the stench alone is toxic.

Both those things are wrong. It has use in bigger models or things that need to be super secure. And it isn't any more toxic than any other expoxy based stuff. It isn't fiberglass resin. The chromium in yellow paint is worse for you.

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>>55121351
>held hands
SLUT!

Don't search for ("held hands" anime slut) on Yandex image search. Just... don't. Ugh.

>>55120869
5-6 playing kamikaze in a max speed engagement, probably like ten in a straight flight

>>55120869
None. It would take one Shilone.

Nice. As a first-time offender, I was just given a 1-week ban from the official forums for linking to a page, which contained a link to a second page. The second page had a link a THIRD page which contained NSFW content, therefore I'm "guilty of linking indirectly to NSFW content".

Fuck that noise. I hear this is the place to be to actually talk about Battletech. How's things here?

>>55122386
For all that effort, it sounds like someone really wanted you gone.

Who'd you piss off?

>>55122434

In the PM I got, it mentioned that discussing a moderator action like a ban anywhere else, including offsite, is grounds for a permanent ban; if I share which mod gave me the 1-week ban, it'll be pretty clear who I am and they'll ban me permanently.

>>55122492
It's not like you're losing anything by being banned from the official bullshit.

>>55122492
God that place is a shithole. CGL can't shut it's doors fast enough. The circle jerk is real.

>>55122386
Meh. It's been several years, but I made an account and logged on and made one post with a boner joke on implying "do want" on something, and got a stern personal warning from some high-strung goober. It was at this point that I realized I had fucked up. These were truly not the kind of people I would wish to associate with. Haven't been there since, and the forums themselves have exploded several times since then due to internal huttburt. I feel like a winner in that deal.

>>55122386
>How's things here?
As for me, I stay way from the OF. This place has it's blemishes, but the guys here generally are a cool lot.

>>55122817
Admittedly, most of those blemishes are directly from the OF. The super best friends club slummin' it to everyone's detriment, and all that.

>>55122900
Yeah, I kind of suspected that. The regulars here I've witnessed have a record of being stand up guys.

>>55122928
Yeah it's pretty obvious thanks we have quality posters sure too the level of good info you can get even while there's shitposting thing on. Just goes to show that we're a good group that just gets bored sometimes.

>>55121395
>Even Teddy married his O5P spy

After she had kicked the crap out of him. Teddy K knows when someone's a keeper.

>>55124300
And his bastard was with the ISF agent he fucked in college.

Man, that guy really had a hard on for ninjas. Even his dude friends were ninjas.

>>55121345
>>55122386

anon recently saved me from certain death so that was fun

>>55122492

Dude, they know who they've recently warned for linking to NSFW shit, you're already fucked.

Thisbeing said what the warning was ACTUALLY for was that you pointed out a fact or said something in a way that made one of the mods or their friends look or feel bad, not because of what you really did. It's that kind of place.

>>55121280

>TFW the Bears always have at least as many Mjolnirs as the Lyrans have Mjolnirs, and usually have more.

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any mechs with treads in this game?

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Where there's a madman there's a way. Hell's Horses have you covered

>>55125672
So I'm part of a dedicated BT campaign, right? Things have been going well; we're an irregular unit appended to the AFFS as they murder Kuritans in the War of 3039 for sport, and we had just gotten off holiday at Solaris.

We arrive at our hangar on-planet for our next deployment phase, and my character, J, has an idea. Now J is no ordinary pilot, he's got 2 piloting and 4 gunnery, believes accuracy is best attained through volume of fire, and put a goddamn hatchet on a Victor simply because he likes to smash things. We have in our inventory an old Patton tank that's been de-turretted and some Jagermech parts picked up at a scrapyard.

J requests a pair of Thumper Artillery Pieces, big fuck-off cannons that can lob HE for literal miles. Instead of mounting this shit on something normal, J takes the upper half of the Jagermech, mates it to the tank chassis, and uses the heavily-reinforced ballistic arms of the Jagermech to support both Thumpers. This living abomination was endearingly called the "JagerTank" and has seen three or four successful missions as long-range fire support.

The pilot of the JagerTank was a fresh recruit from school. He was so confused as to whether he was piloting a tank or a Mech.

And the best part? Our irregular unit opened up an ice cream business and used the hollowed out CT of the JagerTank as a storefront. Because of this, we've turned all calls for artillery into ice cream-related calls, such as "two scoops vanilla" for HE rounds or "two scoops chocolate chip" for cluster rounds

And man that ice cream is tasty

>>55125756
I actually already have that one. Did you know that kit has 22 pieces?

killme

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Oh by the way, this is what the JagerTank looks like. I fucked up some of the greyscaling but it works

>>55121429
The loctite epoxy glue has a strong enough smell that you may very well start feeling nauseous and generally unwell after prolonged exposure to it. Even outdoors, its smell is pungent enough to make you ill.

The only time you really want to use that is if you're building shit like 40k Titans or huge pieces of terrain.

>>55126101
It does not. It's the exact same smell as if you take a wad of epoxy putty of similar size and mash it up. Cause that's all epoxy putty is, epoxy with a styrene clay filler.

I couldn't imagine someone like you having to deal with stuff that is actually bad fume wise like acetone for paint removal or thinner or brush cleaner for traditional enamel. I think you'd have a panic attack or run screaming out of the room or some silly thing.

>>55126095
>>55125886

That thing is an abomination. What the fuck?

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>>55125672
sounds like an awful idea

just use a quad-mech

>>55126167

Yes it does. Stop shilling for loctite.

>>55126189
Pretty sure you can do kinda it by frankenmech rules but what you wind up with is basically just a shitty tank. None of the advantages of a mech left.

>>55125886
>>55126095
I'm glad something like this exists. It just makes your GM sound like a cool dude and your game very fun. It also makes me bitter that my campaign died but when one of my players gets habitually butthurt when he has a series of bad rolls that pretty much dooms whatever game it is.

>>55126212
No it doesn't. And I usually use JB-Weld if I need epoxy because it's what I have lying around. Epoxy is about the least inflamatory plastic cure there is. You're just a complete damn pussy. I think you'd have a heart attack if you ever walked into a salon and smelled the liquid monomer plastic they use there.

>>55125756
I like a lot of Plog's work, but that looks like a broke down Autobot. Minimus Crab.

Guys, keep in mind we're in 3039 :P

We'll take anything we can get. Besides, we role-played it as the Thumpers having tremendous kickback, which the Jagermech is designed to handle. Plus I wanted to see just how close to a HOUND I could build

We're on the lookout for a KGC carapace and if it can't be repaired to full capacity, we're gonna mate that to a 100-ton tank and give it AIV. Why? Why not?

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hatchets and artillery tanks, what could go wrong...

>>55126212
>>55126265
JB Weld best waifu.

Fite me.

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>>55126210

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Can someone tell me what the center mech is? I know the left one is a Dragon and the right one is a Longbow.

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>>55126366

Oh it gets better. The mission before last, we hot-dropped right on top of the 4th Proserpina Hussars to help the ELH beat them back on Fellanin II. Everyone else dropped next to the ELH to assist, but my Victor had been decorated to look like a Hatamoto-Chi (I had even replaced the head component with that of a Hatamoto I had bested in combat a week before). The DCMS believed that I was an experimental unit sent on combat trial by the 2nd Arkab and let me hang out in their frontline.

Took a few cursory shots at my friends (just groundfiring and complaining about a wonky targeting system) before -headshotting the Hussars' Stalker with my goddamn hatchet-

The jig was up and their second-in-command was now slathered on my axe. Best part? We killed every enemy pilot either that day or a few days later. Nobody knows of my character's treachery.

That being said, my character did bring up the 2nd Arkab. mfw I accidentally brought the 2nd Arkab onto Fellanin II and got the ELH routed

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>>55126533
Weapon loadout and general Dracness indicates Victor.

>>55126571
Hahaha what. That's not a Victor. I will eat my shorts if that's a Victor. Looks more like an Ostroc

>>55126650
Not even close to Ostroc loadout. Not like the Longbow looks anything like a Longbow either.

>>55126650
Ostroc's don't have arm mounted weapons though.

>>55126687
Yeah. Hmm. I thought maybe Flashman but there's no way. Fuck if I know. I dunno why I thought Ostroc <_>

>>55126650
That darth vader hat does look Victor-y though.

>>55126571
I can't find a Victor that has a loadout that fits this.
>>55126650
>>55126687
>>55126713
Not a Flashman or Ostroc or Ostsol either.
>>55126683
It is a Longbow, and I kind of like it if they had it as a reseen.

>>55126713
>>55126687
>>55126571
>>55126650

Right arm with a big-bore ballistic weapon? Roundish head? Lasers in the torso?

That's a Victor.

>>55126781
Go find me a Victor with a Mlas in either ST and what looks to be a SRM in the left arm

Go on

I'll wait

>>55126806
Weapon placement is wrong, but that's the standard Victor loadout of an SRM-4, AC/20, and 2 Mlas.

Considering these are pretty clearly redesigns, you're gonna have to make a better suggestion yourself at this point. Sure as hell isn't a Cyclops.

>>55126781
>>55126806
>>55126858
For a moment I thought it was a radical redesign of the Awesome, but I don't know.

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>>55126779
Doesn't look like a reseen Longbow at all either since the reseen was one of the ones that hewed close to the original like the reseen Battlemaster. Looks more like an Orochi or like someone slapped a fat missile payload on a Warhammer.

>>55126806
Standard Vic is AC, 2ML and SRM 4. Seems to have all of those. They just swapped the laser and missile locations.

>>55126307
>minimus crab
As a frequent user of QVs I'm no ashamed to so say this made me laugh.

>>55126880
>Doesn't look like a reseen Longbow at all either since the reseen was one of the ones that hewed close to the original like the reseen Battlemaster. Looks more like an Orochi or like someone slapped a fat missile payload on a Warhammer.

I think the weapon placement works for an old Longbow if those two guns on the top are MLs though.

I can't find this pic through reverse image searches with yandex or tineye.

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why the fuck would you draw everything else stock and put the fucking MLs in the STs

Fucking artists. Looks like a Gauss Rifle too, which is a double whammy

>>55126256
I've been my campaign's buttmonkey for a while. Whether it was a double-engine hit early in the first match after I got my MAD-3R, the time my lancemate broke off to commit warcrimes and got my mech scrapped, or when I biffed a pilot roll trying to cross a river and flooded my CPLT-K2's engine my second or third turn. I can understand ragequitting a session from shit like that but a whole campaign? He must've gotten schlonged HARD.

>>55127004
Did you try turning Megamek off and on again?

Also, you can reply to posts by clicking on the number.

>>55126933
Weapon loadout is definitely Longbow 7Q. I was saying the appearance didn't look physically like a Longbow at all, since it's really just the artist going full Japtech levels of reinterpretation. Pretty cool interpretations too.

>>55126971
Could be a 9K if it's a Gauss.

Dammit, meant the last bit of >>55127026 for >>55126971

>>55126971
>the state of the community in a single post

>>55127004
>He must've gotten schlonged HARD.
He whiffed a few AC/5 shots in his Wolverine and had to burn Edge to not die to a head shot by a Commando. I mean, I guess I can understand it but I have always traditionally rolled worse than him in basically every game where we've both been players, and I still play. He's just really addicted to winning and succeeding in games. If he doesn't he gets upset, but instead of throwing a fit, he'll just push to start a new game. He's a good dude otherwise, FWIW.

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>>55127035
I agree that that Longbow is super sexy. I'd buy that mini. I've seen so many re-interpretations of the older BT 'Mechs that are amazing that CGL could probably get on the cheap but they don't have the patience to trawl dA or Artstation once in a while looking for talent.

>>55127152
...and then I realized I posted David White, and if I recall, his commissions are expensive. Go me. Still wish the Firefly looked like this though.

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>>55127106

I was playing OpFor last week against another group. My refitted melee Highlander chased down another Highlander in 1v1 combat. Spent 8 turns losing initiative and eating Gauss slugs before I got domed by a cockpit crit from a Medium Laser.

my fucking face when a Star League HGN punked my 4000+ BV Hatchetlander

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>>55127193
Makes me feel bad that I got a bit cranky losing my 5th BattleTech game in a row on Sunday. Down to the wire, a Mongoose with a ML and SL vs a Panther with an SRM4 (me). Long game, very swingy, and we just went for the throat to make that the last turn so the dude could go to bed. Each just go toe-to-toe, no TMMs, last 'Mech standing. Panther popped after his first shot; SRM4 ammo. Made me fucking SOUR.

>>55127282
Ammo explosions are dildos. This is why I replaced the /20 on my Victor with a hatchet

>>55127452
I mean in retrospect it was fair because that's how I popped his Valkyrie earlier in the game but yeah, they suck. What else did you put on it? That's a lot of free remaining tonnage.

>>55127490
If he's the guy I think, a bunch of fucking machineguns to back up the hatchet.

>>55120363
What clan is that?

>>55127592
That's a Draconis Combine logo painted over a Capellan Confederation logo.

>>55127490
Okay so this Victor is lit. I stripped off all the weapons and thought to myself "Damn, 4/6/4 on an 80-tonner is superb for CQC but the /20 is too heavy"

So I put on a hatchet in the RA, three MLs in the LT, eventually got a LPL for the RT, and a quartet of MGs in the LA. And the cherry on top is the super-rare Supercharger nestled in the CT. Ever seen an axe-wielding 80-tonner hit 80+ KPH in 3039? It's fucking spooky.

I'm hunting for anything with an ECM suite. I've already assured my DM that if he lets me get TSM, I win the game. Nothing says "fuck off Clanners" like 32 damage on the punch table

>>55126167
>It does not. It's the exact same smell as if you take a wad of epoxy putty of similar size and mash it up. Cause that's all epoxy putty is, epoxy with a styrene clay filler.
No, it really isn't. Shit's usually a mix of talc and other inert solids with slower-cure resins.. that dump less organics per minute into your surroundings than the quick-cure shit.

Look, here's the MSDS, stop being a gluehead.
http://www.loctiteproducts.com/techdata-msds.shtml

Note the relevant portions:
1) They use a different resin in the sticks than the instant-mix shit. It's considerably less toxic. The developer is slightly nastier but also different.
2) The respiratory issues the epoxy stick causes are from microparticulates; talc, ultrafine silicon dioxide, &c. There's also triethylene in it, which is not a fun thing. The active chemicals in >both< the instant-mix hardener and the epoxy itself are some pretty nasty organics and urea (which accounts for the godawful smells).

I personally use JBWeld as well (it's a couple dollars cheaper), but the Loctite stuff isn't much different.

Just.. wear a fucking mask when you work, man. A $20 set of vapor carts will do you.

>>55127883
I have a really nice 3M respirator I use for airbrushing because of the volume of shit. You're bitching about a minute nothing. The quantity in the average mix of use is just a couple cc's. You're exposed to more nastiness from gassing up your car. This is paint and modelling. You're the equivalent of a germaphobe in this hobby. Sure epoxy offgasses a little, but it's nothing compared to polyethylene or any of the worse resins that you actually need a mask or to be outside for. That you are this militant just shows you have almost no experience with any of the worse plastics and plasticizers.

The only way you could get a headache or nausea from epoxy is if you mixed up a coffee cup full or are a ninety pound little girl.

It's like going nuts over lead models or other such nonsense.

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>>55127193

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>>55128129
>That you are this militant just shows you have almost no experience with any of the worse plastics and plasticizers.
I'm not militant. Hell, that was my first reply on all this shit, and to me that looks like a damned neutral post. Nor am I a hobby modeler. What I >am< is a middle-aged garage caster who works with special effects guys and does propmaking on the side. I know multiple people who've had to quit the biz after getting sensitized to resins, or winding up as gluehead burnouts because they fucked up working with OVs. It's not one exposure that burns you out, it's dozens or hundreds, but they still do damage every time.
Coming out of the Navy, I've got a rather healthy respect for HAZMAT; again, multiple co-workers injured or disabled because they were stupid and thought they were "too tough" for the shit they were issued to fuck them up. Read the fucking MSDS, instead of waving your "oh, I'm so manly I snort epoxies" cock around and endangering other people.

..also, you still haven't addressed any of the points about stick-epoxies being both a different resin and less-volatile than the shit in the instant epoxies. But of course, given your blustering ignorance about the shit you allegedly work with I'm not really surprised.

>>55128780
I dunno man. The fact that you were triggered enough to make a multi-paragraph post on 4chan shows you may be more braindamaged than you think.

>>55126933
>I can't find this pic through reverse image searches with yandex or tineye.
Googling gives an archived post that links to a now apparently dead DA Account, said post that indeed labels left as a custom Longbow, center is custom Gallowglas.

>>55128890
That is one seriously fucked up Gallowglas then.

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It wasn't a Victor? The fuck is a Gallowglas- lol it doesn't even look like that either

G fucken G

>>55128936
It's a Gallowglas that's trying its best to look like it's big brother Victor.

Cut it some slack.

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>>55128987
That little punk ass bitch hasn't even got a proper anti-Clan weapon loadout. I bet he hasn't even won any football trophies

Not like the glorious Victor, schoolyard bully-turned-team-captain, and his strong right arm for shovelpassing death into Clan tight-ends

Fuckin monkeyass hookass little bitch, I bet the Swallowglass didn't even do Boy Scouts

>>55129064
He's half Victor's age and he's doing his best! Maybe if his engineering team and support techs would show him some attention once in a while!

>>55122386
>As a first-time offender, I was just given a 1-week ban from the official forums
>linking indirectly to NSFW content

>Claims he was straight-to-banned for first breach
>Claims he was banned under Rule #2
You fucking liar. If you want to misinterpret Mod rulings, that's one thing, but don't flat-out make shit up just to score anti-OF cred.

>>55129218
kys namefag

>>55129218
You're my favorite shitposer. I mean it.

>>55129218
>>55129276
He's basically mine too. Well done, fuckstick. Also, you fucked up your name, it is supposed to be "The Catalyst Observer".

You are in charging of making a Battletech 2, rebooting the setting, but it can be significantly AU.

How do you change the rules and/or setting?

>>55129706
Well, for one, the SLDF doesn't fuck off with Kerensky in its entirety, and he only manages to get a few battalions to follow him.

>>55120447
>female players playing battletech

>>55129749
My girl pity plays me. I'm so lonely in this hobby.
I love you btg

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>>55129706
Anything goes, just please for the love of God increase AC/2 range and change howitzers so they don't produce 10 fucking heat for 10 fucking damage

BattleTech was written by monkeys and balanced by baboons

>>55129706
I would drop AC/2s to 2 tons, and AC/5s to 4 tons so they're actually useful.

>>55129769
>she loves him enough to play Battletech with him
She sounds like a keeper, anon.

>>55128890
>Gallowglas...
What even...? There is no variant in MegaMek that even goes with that. Weird. Thanks though. That helps that.

>>55129850
I'm a lucky man, for a Lyran fan...

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>>55129218
I wish I had a version of this webm where Hanse Davion goes to his local Comstar and shotposts throughout the Inner Sphere, especially to the Capellans.

>>55129817
This, oh so this.

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>>55129218

For reference, this is not the correct format from a posting from the Catalyst Observer position. Nor does it contain the proper and required grammatic structure and minimum use of profane language. Additionally, this "person" (and I use the term sparingly) impersonating a CGL professional is - in pointing out a potential misinterpretation of an Official Forum Moderator's ruling - in fact discussing a moderation decision with persons who do not hold NDA's, and would thus be in violation of the Catalyst Game Labs Volunteer Code of Conduct. I believe the attached image is directly applicable to your post.

Granted, we expect no better than for you people to pull this sort of stunt in order to make the Official Forums look bad in an effort to distract from the fact that no real communities will tolerate what passes for your presence, but this attempt at impersonation is a low-quality effort even for the most toxic part of the BattleTech fandom. It is again a reminder that when we bother to think of you at all, our only thought is, "good riddance."

-The Catalyst Observer

>>55130006
I post on the OF. And I'm a Beemer.

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>>55130006
>No real community
>Still less toxic than official forums

You're in good form tonight best shitposter!

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>>55129706
I'd subcontract to SJGames to make a GURPS Battletech splat.

>>55129817

AND GET RID OF THE MINIMUM RANGE. AUTOCANNONS DON'T NEED MINIMUM RANGE.

>>55130302

Nor do gauss rifles. There's no real reason for a direct-fire weapon to have a minimum range.

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ID on this?

>>55130351
Akuma.

>>55130363
danke

>>55129706
I'm not even gonna get into the fluff, but here are some rules changes I've been playing with
>standing still is a -1TMM
>infantry nerfed back to about the way they used to be
>redo ammunition explosions
>fix AC 2/5s, MRMs, non-10 RLs, LGRs
>nerf MLs slightly
>rework engine types, especially for vees.
>Also give engines consistent prices based on rating
>rework the spacecraft design rules entirely
>change introdates/rules level for various items for fluff purposes

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How about a little writing challenge. I found this picture. I figure it fits the FWL.

Invent a unit for it and write a blurb about it.

Maybe something set during Thomas Marik's reign?

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ok so I am going to be running a campaign set during the first succession wars and was wondering what TR would be best to go with, sorry for shit question i'm new here

>>55130006
And this is the TCO that I've been missing. Well done, old chap.

>>55130006
Enjoy that echo chamber you call the official forums. How many regular posters haven't been banned yet? A dozen? Not including mod buddies that get a pass on derailing every single thread. Oh and thanks for perma-banning me on my first offense. Fuck you.

>>55121047
No ones going to post it. One of the authors is a poster here.

>>55132356
...the beta version is already in the OP
along with leterally every other fuckin thing

>>55131387
>Oh and thanks for perma-banning me on my first offense. Fuck you.
Extraordinary claims demand extraordinary proof. The OF Mods handle warnings and bans by PM or e-mail: it should be trivial for you to screencap the message banning you. Unless you're a fucking liar.

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>>55126561

>>55126095
>>55125886
>>55126189
>>55125672

http://www.sarna.net/wiki/Huntress_(BattleMech)

There's the Huntress, that's basically this, Two Thumpers on tank treads but technically a mech

Illegal construction, and apocryphal, don't even know if a gameplay design exists

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>>55132732
Yes, they do, and yes, it's awful.

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>>55132732
>>55132930
And the illustration. Thank you, Battletechnology.

>>55132934
mini plz

>>55132959
You could honestly build most of that with a Lobo..

>>55132512
I don't know why you're touting the beta as some replacement for the final PDF. I would actually ask the beta to be removed. Anyone new coming to btech is going to be confused.

>>55132930
So, how's it fitting those Thumpers on the 'mech? I see 12 slots in each torso, and Thumpers need 15. It's not even splitting those slots into the arms.

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>>55133587
>Battletechnology
>giving a shit about construction rules
>On an already-illegal mini
Uh.. Anon, I have some bad news for you.

BTN made up a LOT of random shit. It's why so few of their designs are anything more than "canon rumors" these days. That said, if you actually read the article they kind of account for it by lowering the IS on the torsos. I personally would have cut at least 6 more IS, but that would have left them short a half-ton of armor. All in all, for someone's "well fuck, how can we remount arty on a 'Mech" speculative design, it's not too bad. Have a quad with a hatchet-replacement, and a turret that long predates the current rules. Of course they went with ML spam, but then nobody's perfect.

>>55133850
A quad for ants?

>>55133850
>ram plate
[Car Wars flashbacks intensify]

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>>55134134
>Car Wars

Drive offensively!

new to the game, can someone tell me how i get started with the tabletop game?

>>55134885
if you've got people to play with, buy a box set and got 2v2, 3v3 then download some of the scenarios

if you've got no-one to play with, download MegaMek and play against bots from a laptop

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What mech is the Trans Am of this universe?

>>55134954
does MegaMek teach me the rules or do I need to already know them?

>>55135389
You'll need to know the rules.

>>55135412
do mind telling me what books i need to download to get the rules
thanks for the answers

>>55135389
MegaMek can teach you the rules if you're intuitive and patient enough, but knowing them offhand will tell you why things are the way they are in the first place.

>>55135684
the stuff up the top ( free PDFs and the like ) have the basics of the rules which you can use to get a grasp - I'm fairly sure MegaMek has some text files too. After that you can either google for tactics or 'buy' the books.

good luck, have fun

>>55135761
More that it can teach you SOME rules. Things like to hit mods and when to make certain piloting skill rolls sure, but there's many things that you'll see the effects of but with no information as to why it's happening.

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>>55135067
The Black Knight of course ya dope.
Do you even Hoff?

>>55135684
You are looking for the quick start rules and then Total War. I would recommend the BattleMech Manual if SOMEONE WOULD UPLOAD IT

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Anybody know if the DZC walkers have a similar scale?

>>55135684

Grab the Introductory Box Set contents from the pastebin above (under More goodies) and go through the Introductory Rulebook. It's light and condensed enough to get you started without excessive bloat.

Then launch a Megamek game, keep it at Introductory rules level on the basic Battletech mapsheet and play with the bot until you get a hang of things. Good luck.

>>55130999
nice map. What software did you use for it?

>>55132576
I'm not gonna show the email on here it's too specific as to who I am. Anyway I got a temp ban for a week, then an hour before that ban was due to expire jadehellbringer said I still didn't learn my lesson so he perma-banned me. Lol what? He just wanted me gone because I called him out on his bullshit. Anyway the official forums for a failing company like Catalyst is a waste of time if you want any truthful discussion.

>>55137389
Damn that sounds really messed up, how softskinned are the people in OF? I bet the reason why got permanbanned was that you spoke about your ban here and someone blabbered about it. Which adds another fucked up layer on it as unless you where on NDA on somesorts talking about shit that happened to you should not be a reason to ban people.

>>55138526

The TCO shitposter up there isn't actually lying about the policy. If you discuss a mod action anywhere public, including offsite, and they find out about it, you can be banned. They've insisted on 100% opacity in mod actions since the site went from Warner Doles's private board to the official forums back in 2003 or 2004.

Since there's absolutely no transparency, then, it's extremely easy for the mods to just do whatever they feel like, and nobody can prove or disprove anything. In theory, if you get a ban and you're friends with another mod, you can appeal that process to your friend, but if you piss off enough mods, or an admin/writer, then there's no way to get a ban overturned.

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>>55138526

Let me put it this way, since the topic is up. The OP image? >>55120363 When I first joined the OF, I had an avatar of a Marauder. I changed that avatar to the OP image about a year later (because of some RP stuff), and a mod named 97Jedi gave me my first Warning for it (censored cursing). I filed an appeal because it's official artwork (FM:DC, pg 110). 97Jedi then gave me a second strike and a 24-hour ban because I'd questioned a moderator's decision.

That was the only significant mod interaction I ever had as a user on that site, and afterwards I stopped posting there regularly for close to a year and a half before coming back because the refugee site I'd joined (Btechunits) got shut down and all the archives lost when the jackass running it didn't bother to pay a hosting fee. By then, I didn't know any other communities to go to.

I've asked Randall multiple times to run an ROI on the forums, seeing has how forum interactions keeps burning out their people; it's a big reason why Herb left, why Ben left, and why there's such large volunteer turnover. There's nothing the forum contributes that can't be handled by an errata submission email, a well-updated errata webpage, and an announcements page.

>Tfw I love the idea of the protomechs.
>They must be the goofiest desings ever.
The fuck where they thinking, two thirds of them are furfaggotry tier.

>>55138805

Apocryphal story, but it comes to me from Team Toronto, whom I trust completely.

Team Toronto hit lunch at GenCon a few years ago (2010-ish) in the company of Doug Chaffee (which did the original Proto art), and asked - somewhat more politely - that exact question. Chaffee sighed and basically said that when he was asked to do art for the protos, he was simply told to "they need to stand about twice as tall as a human, and make them look like monsters". That was the sum total of his instructions. So he went back though and "mecha-ized" classical Greek monsters, and *never* received feedback or revision requests from FASA after he sent them in.

Essentially, it's not a failure of the artist, it's a failure of whomever was doing what passed for art direction for FASA at the time.

I have much less irritation at Chaffee, given this story, and a lot more at whomever was doing art direction at the time. I still don't like them, but at least there's an explanation for what was happening behind the scenes. I enjoy his art for BT and Leviathans, and it was nice to hear an explanation for the only major artistic misstep from him I can recall offhand.

while we're shitting on the OF: there are also (at least?) two discords that aren't terrible

https://discord.gg/kQanJbg
https://discord.gg/dsvHSc5

>>55138845
Oh, I see, poor guy. In this case I can't fault the artist, the art isn't bad per se but has crappy aesthethics, but I see he didn't have lots of options. The hobgoblin and Sprite are quite good but dunno if it's from the same artist (doesn't seem to be the case) and it seems the art director at least tried.

>>55138845
I get what you're saying, but (most of) the designs are still fugly. Even with context I would expect better.

>>55138871
You want these added to the OP?

>>55138845
>Essentially, it's not a failure of the artist, it's a failure of whomever was doing what passed for art direction for FASA at the time.
I kind of find the most distressing part is that people even need to be told this. At any rate, BT art direction has always been kind of shoddy in various ways.

>>55138969
It's well established that Chaffee wasn't the best when it came to robutt design, and I say this as someone who often likes some of his wonky mechs precisely because of the wonk. He could illustrate existing designs nicely, and he did some great stuff with vehicles though.

>>55139021
Neither are mine so idk, I guess that would be up to whoever made them. I'm not even sure how to determine that in discord.

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>>55139098
What Chaffee was the best at was showing you that Battletech really takes place on alien worlds. Too many artists fail at that.

I haven't played Btech since FedCom Civil war era/start of the Jihad

Is there a good summary for the timeline since then? What the fuck is the Republic of the Sphere

I'm so confused

>>55139907
http://www.sarna.net/wiki/Timeline#30th_Century

This is pretty good

>>55139907
>What the fuck is the Republic of the Sphere

A mistake.

>>55139980

thanks anon

I would like to officially state, fuck Pathfinder.

Our LGS that Cincy has been playing at for 8 years just informed me that due to the rise in the number of local Pathfinder players, our group, which is scheduled a minimum of a year in advance, will no longer have space to play. The Pathfinder Society lead is willing to pay the store to ensure they get all the tables and chairs. There is not another public venue where we can play in Cincy; all the stores run large events on Saturdays and space for 12-20 people at an LGS is impossible to find.

We can still meet at someone's house, but I hate playing at homes because you don't attract new players that way.

... buying the space out from underneath another gaming group. FUCK those people.

>Venting over, we now return you to your originally-scheduled thread.

>>55140032
Damn. I get that gaming stores are businesses, but that's still a shitty move.

>>55138845
The fact that they dared to put Chaffee of all the artists on stage for a managerial shitshow just pushes my disgust for the company to a new level. You can't treat a golden heart like Doug Chaffee like that.

>>55140032
Name and shame the store.

>>55140032
And of course this happens about a month after the place Toronto plays closed it's play area because 40kids wouldn't stop stealing their terrain

>>55140069
They did the same thing to Duane Loose and people still spit on him.

>>55140032
That is a failure of the store owner, not Paizo. They decided to prioritize that money over loyal customers. Can you maybe switch to Sundays?

Speaking of protos, someone posted a bunch of plog protos a while back. Anyone have those/have a source for them?

>>55140241
I think they were recently put up on his deviant art page. They should be on top.
http://mattplog.deviantart.com/gallery/44167891/Techs-Mechs

>>55140077

Due to the friendship I have with the manager (not the chain ownership who ultimately made the call), I can't do that. He's a good friend and I don't want to burn that bridge.

>>55140235

I'm sorry, I may have been unclear. I'm blaming the Pathfinder players who pitched "we want to buy out your space" to the ownership. Don't get me wrong, I still hate Paizo, but only because I hate the d20 system in general, and they keep peddling it. But in this particular instance, I'm mad at the PF Society group leader who did this in the first place.

Still, thanks all for the well-placed anger. I appreciate it.

>>55140195
>this happens about a month after the place Toronto plays closed it's play area

Oh, crap. I hadn't heard that. Look up Dave Leaver (the guy who runs the canon event tables now), he runs a BT campaign out of his home.

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>>55140241
They're quite nice IMO, still captures the spirit of the original design but also cuts back on the monster aesthetic.

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>>55140328
I think he means these. They're on his deviant art site.

>>55140326
It's shitty of those players then, but it still seems way more shitty of the store manager that approved it to me.

The logical response to "Hey, can we buy out the space of loyal customers you've had for 8 years" is a pretty easy "Nope."

Have you attempted to appeal to that manager? It is possible they did not think of it that way.

>>55140032
See if you can rent out a hall or something.
In the UK a group at my GW rent out a hall at a veterans club 1 night a week since they got sick of GW's antics.
Find somewhere that can be rented at a reasonable price and maybe advertise it for new players?

>>55140328

>>You know what our protomech needs? Horns, wings, and tits. None of them will serve any purpose but to waste tonnage and look aesthetic.

>>55140328
those are sexy as fuck

>>55137001
software just called worldbuilder, just a free demo but i think its pretty good

>>55140328
Yeah Alex did those. Both sets are a drastic improvement though.

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>>55140423
I hadn't seen those, nice.

>>55140431

He said the ownership approved it, not the manager. Those are different things, anon.

>>55140558
In my experience that is not the case 90% of the time regarding game stores.

FURTHERMORE, it doesn't even change what I said. Change "store manager" to "store owner" and its the same fuckin post you moron.

>>55140195
>>55140326
There's still other LGS in Toronto with the necessary play space, they probably just moved

>>55140558
>>55140683


In this particular case, >>55140558 is correct.

We play in an LGS which is a chain, with about (I think) a dozen stores across the country. The *chain ownership* approved it, not the store manager, I'm poretty sure because the chaoin *doesn't* charge for space and this is a sale without a SKU. Granted, this comes from the store manager, but he's been a good friend for a decade, and by the tone of voice I don't think he's lying about it.

>>55140432
>See if you can rent out a hall or something.

Good idea. I'll look into it.

>>55140749
In that case its even more likely that the chain ownership may not have realized that they are displacing loyal customers of *8 fuckin years* and they may reconsider if you email them.

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I know the old "now you're playing Battletech!" syndrome very well, and now I'm dreading the RNG has something up its sleeve for my arse.

First battle, my Archer crits a pristine Centurion in the LRM bin on the first shot. Second battle, my Panther headcaps an Urbie on the first shot. Third battle, an officer duel, my company commander does this - again on the first shot.

This can't end well.

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>>55140749
>Good idea. I'll look into it.

That's what da clevva ladz at the Blind Pig Games Club in Brisbane, Australia, did. When the local GW pissed them off, they rented some space, and things went up from there:

>The Blind Pig began in mid 2000 when the then Manager of the Games Workshop Garden City store, Laurie Goodridge, told a group of friends sitting around the painting table causing trouble in his store, to fuck off and do something useful. The Blind Pig was born.
>
>First located at The Mount Gravatt Showgrounds, we quickly outgrew the Budgie Hall and moved to new premises at The RSL Memorial Hall in Holland Park. After eight years at The RSL Hall, we moved in March 2011 to the larger Finnish Hall in Mount Gravatt.
>
>The Blind Pig is an adult environment. Children are welcome, but those under 16 years of age need to be supervised at all times. Don't be surprised if your kids learn some new words and concepts at The Blind Pig.....

>>55140749
most of the game meetups around me now meet in various restaurants, they don't even have to pay anything

if you're willing to pay then you can probably go damn near anywhere

>>55140981
Why were cappies fighting cappies?

>>55138871
>>55139021

https://discord.gg/kQanJbg
The owner of this one says we can add it to OP.

>>55140423
Godamn, Brotherhood of Nod has stepped up their infantry game.

>>55140471
Yeah, chance of finding that on a search is somewhat low (gotta love people who name their software something generic). Got a link?

>>55141161
Some of my local /hwg/ players outright play in a pub; the place has an old, busted billiards table that isn't suitable for that purpose anymore, so the owner lets them do their hex and counter stuff there, just so long as everyone buys at least a pint, which they'd do in any case
It's a pretty nice setup, I'd love something like that for battletech

>>55141788
Boardgame meetup near me gets the whole second floor of a pub for free, area for small concerts and parties.

I think that only works because they do it on Wednesdays, though. Saturdays would probably be a no go.

>>55141430
It's now added to the bottom pastebin with the other discord server.

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>>55141788
We have a spot where I am that is friendly to gamers but I've never personally seen anyone play there. It's this weird coffee house/sandwich shop/library/live venue kind of place. Hipster bait, sure, but they are also giant nerds so they welcome board games and more as well.

Thankfully my LGS is pretty friendly and if I want a table for BattleTech, I've got one. He never lets MtG take over or use mini gaming tables, even during large events. He has like 7 or 8 full-length card tables though, so it's rarely an issue anyway.

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>>55141876
>MtG
>large events
>7 or 8 full-length card tables

Emperor's Teeth, anon, how do you put up with the smell?

>>55142119
Blessedly most of them shower. There are only two or three that stink on the reg. I also don't have the time to go much anymore because I have a business to run.

>>55141876
>>55142119
God I forgot how much I love those pictures.

>>55142119
Atlas in the front, blessed Firestarter to the side, but what is the one in the back?

>>55142366
Exterminator.

>>55142391
Fantastic. Thanks.

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>>55142221
>God I forgot how much I love those pictures.

Here's the one of the Firestarter lighting up Anthrocon.

>>55142587
>>55142119
>>55141876

Did a furry rape you or something? Jesus you faggots are insecure.

>>55142587
FD is a treasure. It's a shame we don't see him anymore. I can't blame him though; PGI probably despises us as much as CGL does, and he has a good gig. And he'll have more gigs if Piggy goes under or when MWO dies.

>>55142617
You ever heard of the Eridani Light Horse Lawsuit, son?

>>55142617
>t. ELHfan1337

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>>55142617
>Did a furry rape you or something?

Are you ... new here?

http://www.sarna.net/wiki/Eridani_Light_Horse_lawsuit

>>55142657
>>55142636
>>55142651

Nothing on there mentions furries, ya'll faggots just thin skinned.

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>>55142701
>faggots
>defending furries

Goddammit these threads are entertaining when you stop taking anything seriously. The shitposting here is on-point.

>>55142701
Roy Calbeck is a noted furry and that definitely contributed to his behavior. Speaking as a furry, he was fucking insane and makes us look bad. Not all of us are certifiable and many of us keep our shit to ourselves. He deserved what he got from that lawsuit.

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There's always the Clan, and then...

The idiots who ejaculated all the official furfaggotry into the game are to blame. As a result, normal BT players meeting other BT players have had to recoil in horror from their discoveries so many times that jubilating in violence against furries comes as natural, and justified. Plus this is goddamn 4chan, where do you think you are you repugnant freak of nature?

>>55142797
Thank you, that explains things a bit.

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Jesus Christ, I now understand why you guys complain about moonwalking so much. I've never seen a person who - when playing in person - who actually plays their objectives AND moonwalks to the exclusion of literally every other tactic, but now that I've gotten my AtB campaign up into the Clan Invasion era (started in 3030), it's mind-numbingly annoying.

Literally, all the bot does is move backwards - staying at 23-25 hexes at all times - toward a giant mechbrick formation in a corner of the map as far away from your units as possible, and start doing circles to keep their TMMs up. Obviously, I understand this is because the bot isn't capable of doing things like "pursue scenario objectives", but godDAMN is that annoying as shit.

BRB, trying to find CA's AtB instructions PDF so I can figure out how to start using artillery and or level bombing. This is ridiculous and irritating. Are there bot settings to screw with this?

>side question: is Pushing enabled by default? I moved a Pixie next to a Stormcrow that was camping on the edge of the map, I fired no weapons at all that turn, and the Push button during the physical attacks phase was greyed out so I couldn't shove his ass off the map.

>>55142944
Do me a favour, name a character "Charles Barkley" for me. Double points if you can get the right portrait.

It's a magical thing. You'll come to understand it if you do it.

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>>55142701
>Nothing on there mentions furries

There are links to some of his stuff from the Sarna article, plus there's always Google if you're brave enough. It's shit like this that made Cypher want to take the blue pill.

>>55143010
Wouldn't the Matrix have had more furries though? That whole 'residual self image' thing making you look like what you think you should appear as?

>>55142944
it is enabled by default

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>>55143038
>Wouldn't the Matrix have had more furries though? That whole 'residual self image' thing making you look like what you think you should appear as?

I don't think so; Neo already had an appearance in the Matrix that looked like Keanu Reeves, and when the crew of the Nebuchadnezzar rescued him, stimulated his muscles, and regrew his hair, his appearance in the real world looked very much like the (fairly) mild-mannered Thomas Anderson he was before his escape. It's only *after* he dove back into the Matrix that he took on a more cinematic look - although I think Mouse's reimagined ideal of his own appearance was even more dramatic.

This'd have to be a case where either the Matrix was willing to program people with fake memories or a desire to be a furry in order to simulate a reality which would be less likely for them to keep trying to wake up from, or it'd have to be someone rescued from the Matrix who somehow developed a furry fetish after living outside - despite a dearth of any kind of animals to base it on.

>>55142221
>God I forgot how much I love those pictures.

This one has a theme similar to >>55142119, but is a bit different.

>>55143486
Fun note about the Matrix: Switch was supposed to be a character who was female in real life but male in the Matrix. That's why they picked a fairly androgynous actor for her. But the Wachowskis discarded that idea after it was realized it would be too confusing.

>>55143879
What? That's not confusing at all and would have been excellent. Fucking hacks ruined their own series in two movies.

>>55143894
Considering how many people failed to understand something as simple as "residual image" (which, to be fair, is only briefly explained once, and quickly), I understand why.

>>55143961
That's them being bad at explaining shit, not it being hard to understand.

So for any of your oldfags who were around when the post-Jihad stuff came about, what was the reaction to the whole Republic of the Sphere just coming out of nowhere and the in-universe characters falling over themselves to embrace the incorruptible pure pureness of Devlin Stone and his idea of solving war by founding a new entity that prompts more wars?

I've read the article on sarna a few times and each time I read it the more stupid the whole idea sounds.

>>55144524
A lot of things from the Jihad on, including the Jihad, were formed from pure retardium. It was all a way to shoehorn in the Dark Age timeline.

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>>55144524
It was a fucking riot back in 2002. Imagine getting dropped straight from the end of the FCCW with the final book minutes from the next SL meeting into the Dark Age. Brutal whiplash. People still hate the Stoners. The only fags who don't are kids who picked up FM:3085 or some such and went "Hey, this """new""" faction seems pretty neato."

>>55145000

nice trips

Actually I was around for the riot when DA and Wizkids came about, I was more curious about what the reaction was when (I think?) CGL/Fanpro went forward to try to fill in the gaps of what happened during the Jihad/pre-DA shit

I'm guessing the RotS was a gongshow from the beginning of being the generic good guys (I think? I never played DA nor read any of the background) so magically spawning them out of nowhere in fifty years is gonna take some next level ass pulling.

I feel pretty bad for the Fanpro/CGL guys if they had to release this shit, though I'm curious who was responsible for dragging like every canon character into praising the RotS and/or joining up for whatever reason

>>55144524
We call it "Derp Age" for a reason.

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>>55145200
Well, there's some stupid ass shit in the Jihad, including some big fumbles with keeping track of some units, but it's mostly fun and pretty good for what they had to work with.

So what's the best entry point for Battletech?

And what's the general "rules" for customizing mechs, if any?

>>55145597
I got in with the 2nd edition basic set, and just went to the video games of the time (1980-199s) with scenario books. You could try MegaMek along with someone to start. 'Tis fun.

>>55145597
>So what's the best entry point for Battletech?
3025, Mad Max. Base level rules and the original source of all the loveable crazy lore. If you know 3025, then you know all the important last names and units in the Sphere outside the clans for the entire history of Battltech right up to 3150.

>And what's the general "rules" for customizing mechs, if any?
Sky is the limit. Play around in megamek lab to build whatever you want from scratch. For social events, customs are for campaigns and friends only.

>>55144524
In my local circle no one gave a fuck at the Sphere because we were too busy going, "wait: the small splinter faction of ComStar crazies suddenly became such an existential threat that they were able to off the Dragoons and take on the entire Inner Sphere?" Given enough years and sourcebooks to explain how this was so, it eventually made sense, but at the time, with little to no info to go off of, it just seemed retarded.

>>55137389
So you ARE lying. Got it.

>>55145890
>ERPPC.jpg

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>>55137389
If you're permabanned then there's no fucking reason not to show the email unless you're a damned liar.

>>55145937
I have to ask: why do you care if he's lying or not? We all know the OF is a shithole. We even have someone posting ironically defense forcing about it because it's such an in-joke. Like, what level of obsessed are you? I'm not the anon in question but as an outsider the mania over this is astounding. What's your end game?

>>55146046
Why are you so obsessed if you're not him? The same questions you ask apply to you. If it doesn't matter, why involve yourself?

>>55146107
As a third party now, out of curiosity. I just wanna know because drama amuses me. We are on 4chan, where internet drama is all we've got to go on.

>>55146046
Who says the defense forcing was ironic?

>>55146107
I'm curious why you're obsessed with whether an anon is lying about something pointless or not, and now I'm curious why you're deflecting so hard. I think you're embarrassed at your own autism. Me? I just want to be amused. Spill your spaghetti for me, anon.

>>55146180
Honestly, I could care less that he's lying. I'm just annoyed that he's holding out on drama email that could be entertaining for a reason that no longer applies. He's permabanned, no reason to hold back now.

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>>55146158

It's like raaaaiiinnnn on your wedding day!

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>>55146222

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>>55146222
>>55146307

As a newbie to the setting and game - what faction traditionally has the best jump jet mechs/is best at jump jetting? IS, Periphery, Clanner, what have you.

>>55146511

Anything but Steiner.

>>55146511
Clanners tend to have a lack of jumping mechs. Steiner and Dracs are a bit thin too.

>>55144524

Man, I know that the WoB holed up in the FWL a lot but I still don't understand why the RoS had to continuously kick what was left of it in the teeth. For good or something. They wouldn't even like the MSC have Stewart.

>>55146511
Marik. They make the best long jump scouts, have the best LAM selection, and make all the 55 ton trio plus the Wraith and other classic jumpers.

Kurita has good jumpers but is also known for ganking jumpjets off mechs.

Steiner is assault heavy but their most iconic mech is the Griffin.

>>55146559
Because they wanted a perfect round state. No further thought put into it than that. Nevermind it's the best manufacturing plants in the FWL. Kalidasa, Stewart, Irian and so forth. Like taking Hesperus and Arc Royal from the Lyrans or Luthien and Benjamin from the Dracs.

>>55146552

Don't the Clanners have like the Thor, Shadowcat, Dragonfly? And weren't some clans like Nova Cat and Cloud Cobra known for jump jets?

>>55146617

As someone new to the setting, I'm a little surprised at how they seem to marginalize the FWL as much as possible when it's by far the most interesting and engaging of the major factions.

The LC and FS seem boring as dirt and the DC and CC are hilarious caricatures but not good. The Periphery should be offering more fun stuff too but they only made like... four states that could ever do anything.

The giant robots attract me but the fluff seems to be doing a good job of pushing me in the other direction.

>>55146698
Yep, and that's only three 'mechs out of all the ones they used coming in. Four if you count the Gladiator/Executioner.

Clans and Dracs have a bad habit of ditching jjs for firepower.

>>55146763
You don't seem like you're actually reading the Housebooks and are reading some Era Report or summary or something. All the states are pretty varied and interesting amalgamations of a bunch of different strange cultures and alien worlds.

People love the FWL here because it is one of the very best places where you can play a big campaign without fucking up the rest of the Sphere. And they play a big role in the Jihad and Dark Age.

>>55145659
>For social events, customs are for campaigns and friends only.

Are variants the same way or are they generally kosher?

>>55146889
Depends. Random pickup, nobody cares as long as they're official production and not one-off's like so-and-so's personal custom ride. If you're playing a particular faction or era, you'll generally need to follow that.

Like no Victor 9K in a 3025 game because it's a 3050's variant even though there are Victors in 3025. But nobody would say a word if you were playing a 3055 Drac game.

>>55146853

I've read the housebooks and the Field Manuals so far. Anything in particular I should be looking for?

I guess I was a little disappointed coming into the fluff because I was expecting a lot of neat space nations of various sizes interacting with each other, like in the real world, while the trend seems to be to erase or clanner-ize smaller nations. I think that's what makes the FWL seem so much more interesting to me.

>>55146222
>>55146307
That man has nice long hair.

>>55147062

You're mistaken. That's a woman.

>>55145659
3025 is a horrible entry point. It is simple as fuck. 3025 should be treated as tutorial only. SL tech is the minimum complexity someone should run the game

I'm speaking for myself. I've dropped the game after playing only once in 3025 and came back years later when I discovered the Master Rules book

>>55147089
>>55147062
>That's a woman.

This is correct. It must be a woman, since men don't have long hair.

If it has a penis and long hair, it's a tranny, whether repressed or not.

>>55147140
Are you unable to Google 'Alanis Morissette'?

>>55146964
You're reading the Handbooks, not the original Housebooks. Pull up the old 80's stuff.

The FWL is interesting in that it's the oldest successor state and the only real republic in the entire Inner Sphere. But every other state is made of smaller states with their own regions and problems in similar number to the FWL. Well, except the Capellans because there isn't much of them left.

Like for the Davions, the politics of Capellan March, Panpour region, Golden Five, Draconis March, and Outback are just as complex as the FWL, except framed in a traditional feudal architecture.

In the Draconis CombineTakashi completely upended his realm when he turned his regional Warlords into a meritocracy. The constant scrabble and shuffle is insane, plus the three different intelligence groups, traditionalists, and literal ninja clans mucking things up. On top of all the other semiautonomous mini states there.

The Lyrans have similar problems just with much heavier emphasis on political currency like Tharkad vs Donegal vs Arcturus while Skye goes nuts on the Dracs to hold them at bay yet threatens to break away at the same time and Cavenaugh and Bolan are doing all the work grinding at the FWL while those Furillo Fucktards are sipping champagne and the former RWR dreams of glories past.

Always and interesting story to tell anywhere you go, generally the more interesting the further you get from the capitals.

>>55145220
Favorite meme <3

Friendly reminder that the original plot is yet to surpassed as the worst point in Battletech's fluff

>>55147138
3025 is fundamentals. You need good fundamentals. Star League tech makes things too easy mode for the most part. Doesn't teach tradeoffs the same way. If people want advanced tech, it's better to just throw them headfirst into the Clan Invasion.

>>55146589

Specifically Marik or FWL in general?

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>>55147167
It's............................A JOKE!

>>55147310
Marik is slang for the whole FWL like Kurita, Davion or Steiner for their respective states. If you want specific jump makers then you're mostly talking former Regulan worlds and Anduriens. Jumpiness is more a unit thing though than a state thing. State trends are more geared toward general weights or the type of units. Like Marik is known for bolstering its mech forces with a shit ton of cheap tanks.

>>55147320
Pretty shit joke. Or are you one of those autists who don't realize subtlety and nuance of tone don't translate through text?

>>55147138
>horrible entry point.
>treated as tutorial only.

...like for a beginner?

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Gentlemen, how do we stop the Cockfalcon menace?

>>55147172

Maybe that's the sticking point. The feudalism seems to not make a lot of sense and is incredibly static - when I saw that there was a Periphery nation with a hereditary President, I realized that probably the reason they set up the feudalism like they did was so that they didn't ever have to think up new last names for their characters.

Not to say the feudalistic thing might not be neat, and isn't neat in certain situations, but shoehorning absolutely everything into the same model is a bit silly.

The FWL has enough of a mix of different things that it feels a bit more organic and, to use the word again, realistic.

I have looked at the older books too though, which are the ones I remember better. I'm not much up on the clan stuff yet, I assume it all goes to shit?

I will give the setting this plus though - the fear and hatred of Asians inherent in the setting are pretty hilarious. I get a kick that they felt they needed to put two yellow peril factions in.

>>55147425
Gausswalls, Longtoms, and Eisensturm spam.

>>55147436
The entire early history of every successor state is about how democracy completely fails on a multiplanetary level. Plenty of planetary governments are still democratic.

And it's not static. You just have to look at all the complete changeovers in Battletech early history to modern. What people do, like they did in real fuedal Europe, is steal and use certain names for legitimacy and all the top nobles are interbred enough that you have tons of people with a line to the throne.

Hell, at the current moment in time the whole Federated Suns is run by a little shit exiled to the Republic of the Sphere whose name isn't even Davion, whose closest relation to the throne was that the grandfather of the former First Prince was his distant cousin and he's just keeping the chair warm until an even more distant cousin can fight his way back through enemy territory where he was also exiled for years.

>>55147445
But the Wolves and Cockfalcons broke Lockheed when they DP'ed Tharkad. No more Eisengaussbricken.

>>55147713
Looks like we'll just have to resort to bioweapons. I'm sure Trueborns have some sort of genetic markers we can target.

>>55147436
>Capellans
>Yellow

Not until Xin Sheng

>>55147741
Where's the Blakists when you really need them?

>>55147837
Fucked off to Hidden Worlds, vowing they'll be back for revenge I believe?

>>55147436
>the fear and hatred of Asians inherent in the setting are pretty hilarious
BattleTech is the future of the '80s, anon. Japan was about to buy America out from under Americans, and the Soviet Union was a valid threat, so you get the Draconis Combine. China was Communist and aligned with the Soviets, so you get the Capellan Confederation. The Cappies even got their own Taiwan analogue after Hanse gave his wedding speech.

(Seriously, if you don't think "I give you the Capellan Confederation!" was one of the best bits of political theatre EVER, you're dead to me.)

>>55147909

History is not an excuse for racism.

>>55147957
It wasn't history back in the 80s when BT was first formed. Try to keep up dumbass.

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>>55147957
>supremely multiracial states
>racism

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What's the BV2 of a squad of basic IS infantry? Maybe I'm just not looking in the right places, but I can't seem to spot it anywhere.

>>55148117
About 20. That's it.

>>55148135
Jeezus, really? I was seeing numbers between 20 and 60 depending on armament, but I thought that felt kind of low...
I don't think the 4 bases I've ordered is gonna be enough.

>>55148208
Infantry don't move fast, don't have much range, and are pretty fucked by flamers, or SRMs with teargas warheads.

>>55148208
You're supposed to deploy them in platoons, not squads for normal tabletop play. That way you can get enough men together to actually do shit and also not drive your opponent crazy with initiative sinking.

>>55148226
>teargas
>not infernos

You are weak, Daniel-san.

>>55148266
Infernos are for civilians, partisans, and pirates.

Teargas is so the sadass solahma infantry have to live with the shame of failing yet again to die in glory.

>>55148319
>You will never capture an elemental solahma mama and make her your bodyguard/wife.

>>55144524
Mine was REEEE, especially since the map and fiction focus made it seem ad though everything else got blown up in the Jihad.

>>55148266

How do you handle those 1-ton troop space APCs in BT as they can only carry a squad.

Do you let them carry a squad per Tac Ops or bring 4 and house rule some means of consolidated disembarking?

>>55148927
You use a mechanized platoon and don't fuck with separate APC's. But if you absolutely have to, then yeah you can group APC's into 4 vehicle units under the rules for whole platoon transport.

Just keep in mind you can't bust up those units for individual movement just like you can't bust a platoon into squads once you've deployed as a platoon on the table.

>>55122386
>>Nice. As a first-time offender, I was just given a 1-week ban from the official forums

1) that's not how that works.
2) "just" as in this just happened? As of the time you posted this, there hasn't been a single ban from the OF in a month.

>>then an hour before that ban was due to expire jadehellbringer said I still didn't learn my lesson so he perma-banned me.

3) Yeah, no.

You're either unmitigatedly full of shit of you have a corn kernel of truth buried in your bullshit. Either way, get over yourself.

>>55138619
Mods can't discuss warnings. You can discuss your warnings and anyone else's anywhere and any time as much as you want. The rules is to protect the users' privacy.

>>55148208
It depends upon their skill, equipment, and if they have anti-mek training. A platoon of regular grunts with generic ARs with basic flak armor is going to be much lower in BV than a platoon of hardened elite FedSuns with their elite armor and Federated-Barrett M42bs and support lasers. Add in jazz like other mobility types or specialists and it goes up even more.

>>55148927
>>55149012
There's also canon units that are organized as "platoons" of single squads. The most extreme example being the WoB's Tau Zombies, as rolling a normal sized platoon of those motherfuckers would be kind of a dick move.

>>55149434
That's by design, as dick moves are the Wobblies main mode of operation.

>>55149172
>>55149276

Literally nobody is ever going to believe you.

If only there was some tiny bit of transparency in the process so we might have some modicum of ability to trust in what you say. Too bad you assholes like your opaque mod procedures more than you like having a healthy community and a userbase composed of more people than just you and your friends. Even if you WERE telling the truth, by now the policies of the people you support have so poisoned the well that nobody has or will have any reason to believe you now or in the future.

Good job destroying your own userbase, fuckstick.

>>55149172
First this didn't happen recently. Second, yes my first ban was a full week. And yes jadehellbringer did exactly what I said he did. There's no reason for me to lie. Of course I can't prove the time frame of when things happened, but then again I don't give a shit to. Jadehellbringer abused his power cuz I hurt his feelings. It's that simple.

>>55125886
This. This is why you play battletech. For the lulz and the stories like this that make you lulz.

>>55126533
Too many lasers on center torso...first thing that came into my mind is Spartan.

Although the arm weapon config matches the Victor (Big Gun in right, twin lasers in left )

>>55148025
"There is a time and a place for 'So there I was'" the picture.

Also, new thread:

>>55150093
>>55150093
>>55150093

>>55150070

I play Battletech because I like being mad at people.

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>>55150094
>Spartan
One of the unsung good 'Mechs, along with the likes of the Lineholder.

Goddamn I love troopers/second-line/militia 'Mechs.

>>55142636
Wait....who's the asshole here?
I can't tell.
And how does that Calbeck guy figure in?
>no shit I'm a newfag

>>55150915
>And how does that Calbeck guy figure in?
>>no shit I'm a newfag
Roy Calbeck is the fursona of a particular ELH fan. Once upon a time, this fan pitched FASA on an ELH sourcebook, got a positive response, and sent off a draft. (It included his aforenamed donut steel SI character as a member of the ELH, complete with anthro-unicorn nose-art on his Pegasus hovertank.) He never heard back about the project again, but it certainly never got printed. Later on, he sent the same draft to Warner Doles' forums, where it was posted as background for the ELH, completely non-canon but fun to read.

Then Warner Doles' website became the official FanPro forums for BattleTech, complete with an "online canon" section. And someone derped by leaving the ELH writeup on-line as part of that section.

A couple of years later, a fan asked some questions about that "on-line canon" write-up on the forums "Ask the Writers" section, specifically its mention of outright magic. FanPro realized they'd derped, said "oh shit", yanked the write-up, and declared it thoroughly non-canon. Calbeck got butthurt about the whole thing, claimed FanPro had knowingly and maliciously stolen his write-up to add it to their IP without paying him for it, and used that "theft" as grounds to sue FanPro for control of the entire BT IP.

The judge laughed him out of court (it might've helped him if he'd actually hired a lawyer instead of representing himself, but I doubt anyone who actually passed the bar would've taken the case anyway), but it was yet another case of bullshit litigation costing BattleTech and its owners time, money, and effort they really could have better used elsewhere.