Warhammer 40K General (40kg)

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>>55119811
Kill Bursta Tank worth it or just get two Basilisks for their "Supa Kannons" to be mounted on Wagons

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first for The First

Currenty thinking of shit to add to start playing something other than 500pts and then work my way up to a semi competitive list. I'm still relatively new.

Right now running Bloodletters, Flesh Hounds, Crushers and a Herald as my HQ. Thinking about adding some Berzerkers, swapping the Herald for a Lord on Juggernaut and getting some kind of big gunz, not sure what yet.

Thoughts?

Third for Ahriman is the best character in 40k

Third for where is chicken

>>55119855
He's pretty alright, I like his personality.

>>55119841
Gat the Basilisk and send me the Chimera Chassis. You'll be my bestie

>>55119858
Inside the power armor of the Iron Warriors

Do the megas contain 40k novels and short stories?

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>>55119891
>>55119891
>just looked on ebay for Basilisks
>all "pro painted"
>No NoS or NiB discounts
>everything is more expensive then just buying direct from GW

What happened to eBay....

>>55119935
No one sells a kit no one actually wants to buy?

>>55119930
they contain these nuts

>>55119941
Isn't the Basilisk one of the best units in the Guard army now....

>>55119935
It's hit or miss. You won't find deals 100 percent of the time. Just wait and check often until you see something good.

>>55119935
Too lazy to check, but basilisks might be sold out at the moment. If so, scalpers gunna scalp.

So are ultamarines as BS as they look? Girlyman, chapter tactic, and rerolling for CP seem pretty obnoxious. I only have one ultramarine guy in my area and he hasn't pulled out girlyman yet

>>55119956
There're better ones

But what idiot would resell a kit that no one wanted 3 months ago because of what a bunch of mathahmmer idiots on 4chan think

>>55119966
It's no longer a viable tactic to chase down and lock ultramarines in combat, because they will back away, rapid fire you, then rapid fire you with other units, and probably charge you with them to deny your charge bonuses. being able to withdraw and still fire is fucking retarded.

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So the Gravis armor is growing on me. What would be a good Chapter tactic for a small force with lots of Aggressors and Inceptors?

>>55120028
Ultramarines maybe? Means aggressors can back out and still shoot. Or Imperial Fists, means enemies can't hide. Are Inceptors infantry?

>>55120015
In practice while its good I haven't found it to be gamebreaking. Salamanders and Raven Guard are stronger over all.

Generally if you're assaulting Marines you're going to be using a solid melee unit to do so, and a lot of them are going to wipe out your average Marine shooting squad entirely, or at least maul them so badly that the shooting they can must when they fall back isn't overwhelming (at least not compared to the rapid fire from the rest of the army, but that was going to happen anyway regardless of chapter tactics; Ultramarine tactic is just another drop in the pond). There are a few units that really benefit from it though, like big squads of Hellblasters as well as flamer heavy Aggressors or Dreadnauts.

Reposting because I didn't realize the thread was dead already

>>55116216
Grey Knights themselves are protected by a total info blackout by the Inquisition, they themselves don't require the execution or mindwipe of any witnesses

Mass executions tend to be for large bodies of people or soldiers where they've all been dangerously exposed to the warp and there are simply too many to test each individual, thus the only way to ensure purity is to kill or mindwipe everyone

So, 50 sisters fight alongside Grey Knights (like what happened in the first ben counter novel)? Tested, expected to pass and let go with a vow of secrecy.

5,000 guardsmen fight off a daemonic invasion while the grey knights close a warp portal? Well they're probably dead from daemonrape already but the survivors are going to be mind wiped at the very least, mercifully.

>>55120066
>Are Inceptors infantry?

Sure are; I was considering White Scars actually, for that extra 2 inch move on the slow Gravis units seems nice.

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Post face: others guess what army you play.

I'll start.

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>playing with a 12 year old
every time I regret it

>>55120028
>lots of aggressors

White scars, they'll be moving 10.5" per turn on average and can stand still for twice the shooting. They're like bikes that traded their turboboost for powerfists and triple the shooting

>>55120015
yeah, that tactic was really annoying when I used my heldrake the other week, but it was able to roast and chomp them the next turn

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>>55120149
>ask for their info after game
>banned from another store

Any thoughts on Transuranic arquebus for admech? They seem like they'd be pretty fun to play around with, if incredibly overpriced like most snipers.

>>55120191
They're pretty essential to doing anything decent with admech. Bring at least 3-4 of them.

>>55120191
>relying on FW shit

Shame on you.

>>55120149
Sometimes it can be great. Depends on the kid.
I help my local GW's manager to play introductive games with new clients and I often play with kids. Some of them are allright.

>>55120227
>holy fuck i'm so fucking stupid lol: the post

>>55120227
good bait

>>55120232
Nonce

>>55120232
>introductive games with new clients
They're "potential customers".

>>55120232
>new clients
lol what

>>55120281
>>55120300
Yhea, I meant potential customers. I'm not a native english speaker, don't judge me.

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New rumour engine.

They doing em on Tuesday now apparently.

>>55120336
Nice, GW is trying to trigger all their "trypophobic" tumblr customers

How do people feel about Necrosius the Undying (120pts)? He is only 10 more points than a plaguecaster for 2 more wounds, solid melee an 4+ invuln save, and a reroll for poxwalker DR rolls of 1

>>55120324
>conflating new clients with potential customers
You're just retarded, English or not

>>55120336
>They doing em on Tuesday now apparently
It was a Bank Holiday yesterday, silly.

>>55120365
ok big boy

>>55120149
there's a joke in there somewhere

>>55120378
They normally do them on Wednesday you stupid nigger

>>55120398
Yeah but it's an important day tomorrow, double nigger

>>55120411
Name it, faggot

>>55120421
It's Duncan's birthday

>>55120141
Tau

What is the most patrician army to collect?

>>55120460
Orks, obviously. No army is as pure and unadulterated.

>>55120232
>browsing shelves at the FLGS

>dude at a table playing Magic with his kid

>I overhear the dad saying "more important than whether you win or lose is how you act when you win or lose..."

>>55120460
Pure Custodes

Alright, going to spend some money today. Which should I go for?

>More clowns
>More elfplanes
>Slaanesh daemons for my EC successors
>SC Tau
>SC Deathwatch
>SC AdMech
>Nothing

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How are elite armies fairing in 8th right now?
Thinking about a Primaris/Terminator army or maybe Grey Knights soon but have heard thinks like Primaris being somewhat shitty and terminators not being that great either
Anyone got any input/experience with them?

>>55120521
Clowns

>>55120426
>he goes apeshit because the icing on his cake wasn't applied in two thin coats

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>>55120460
T'au Empire.

>>55120489
Best dad

>>55120554
WHY DIDN'T YOU SHAKE THE PIPING BAG

>>55120512
>Pure
>Custodes
Pick one and only one.

>>55120554
Lol'd at work.
10/10 Duncan meme.

>>55120527
Primaris are okay. Which is a good thing really, because it'd suck if they were overpowered or completely useless, so they're in a good spot balancewise. They're big weaknesses are a lack of solid melee beyond Reivers who are just okay and units that are generally very cookie cutter in terms of battle field use.

>>55120527

>How are elite armies fairing in 8th right now?
If you're playing against a horde army, you literally lose by default.

>>55120460
Nothing but Primarchs?

Magni and Morty will probably be about 750

>>55120612
Which will be more expensive? Maggie or Morty?

>>55120232
Yeah, there's a boy who's about 10 at my local GW who's actually done things properly and fully painted his Blood Angels. Rather badly, but still not a grey in the bunch, so he puts me and almost everyone else there to shame.

I've started a drive to repaint all my admech at decent tabletop standard now I've got mediocre at painting, so it'll be a while given I have two SC boxes, 6 Kataphrons, Kastelans, Infiltrators, 20 converted Fulgurites, 10 Rangers and a Knight to do and half of that needs stripping first. Still, it'll look nice and green when I'm done, and there will be no more chalky red new player Mars abominations.

There's also the youngish guy who's got a stupid quantity of stuff. 8k Nurgle CSM, loads of Orks, 2.5k HH Death Guard with Levi Dreads and FW tanks and Morty, Vampire Counts, bunch of Lamenters, full Deldar carnival of pain, 300-ish Renegades he used to run in the Host and some supporting stuff for them and he's probably nabbed all the new DG by now. He's off to uni now, which kinda sucks 'cause he was awesome to play with. Doesn't really count as a kid, but I still wonder how the hell he found the money and time for that lot.

>>55120603

I find primaris very easy to pop because literally any multi-damage or high AP weapon will mulch them faster than they can cope.

>>55120623
Magni, probably.

I'm expecting Morty to just be nigh unkillable and an aura machine, which GW doesn't seem to add into points consideration

Ala Bobby G

Looking to start an emperor's children army. Clearly i want noise marine troops, but what else should I grab, unit or box wise?

>>55120635
>and an aura machine
I think he won't be. He has wings and will thus has a ridiculous move speed, but not as fast as Mag. He's probably have a version of Gate of Infinity like he does in HH, and will probably give off auras that are only useful in CC. DG armies have always lacked a really decent close combat unit, but Morty and Death Shroud termies look set to change that.

>>55120527
Grey Knights are awesome, mixing lots of PAGKs (which are a bitch to kill if you get 10 in combat) with like 10 Paladins and a few characters, vehicles, and dreadknights/noughts is badass.

>>55120623
Imo Magnus.
Morty is going to be an unholy abomination between a Great Unclean One and Guilliman.

Slow, tough, supporty, but overall not as much a murdermachine as Magnus, who does barely anything for his sons beside tell them to take five as he wins the game by himself

>>55120191
They're character Deletion, short and simple. Point 3 of them at a character and boom, they're gone.

>>55120336
Oh look more marine crap.

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>>55120638
Sonic Dreadnaut

rest is up to you, take what seems fun

>>55120191
I run one and I've only ever had it earn its points back once. IMO it's a costly unit that I only take b/c it looks cool and it maybe might get something done every once in a while

>>55120710
When did Nids join the imperium?

>>55120336
AoS Aelves.

>>55119811
Why does the Emperor have Santa's cloak?

>>55120638
Desolation squad box if your local store has it, bikers are also pretty good this time around

>>55120762
That the one with the rhino?

>>55120710
>>55120745
My guess is the new Great Unclean One.

>>55120783
yeah, rhinos are way better now so its definitely worth considering

>>55119854
If you get to big points, run a Lord Of Skulls and see the results

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>>55120627
Any chance I can see the converted fulgurites? I'm starting admech now and I have mixed feelings about their models.

>>55120834
Give me just a second to sort out the weapons for the one I'm working on ATM and sure. Built 16 of them so far, trying to decide how to arm the rest.

Basically emptied my bitz box to do it, but given it cost me £30 for a box of Kairic Acolytes compared to £100 for 20 actual electropriests and I think mine look a little better it's probably worth it. Saving an entire Betrayal at Calth is always nice.

>>55120804
Ok so noise marines, some rhinos, some bikes, and sonic dreads. Shaping up ok. How are slaaneshi daemons or cultists?

>>55120554
kek

>>55120638
wait with the noise marines. The current kit is ... lacking. Its really just a few guns and 2 heads. so your "noise marines" are very much normal CSM.

If you have the money FW makes some fine noisemarines for Horus Heresy.

Slaaneshi normally hit first, so you might want to think of strong fast melee units, warptalons maybe, or raptors. (Raptors can get 2 special weapons btw, so 5 Raptors 2 melta and a combimelta on the champ)

You might want to look into the start collecting CSM box. A CSM squad for objective grabbing aint bad, the CSM termi lord/sorceror is a useful HQ and the helbrute can bring some much needed longrange firepower. All that on a relative bargain.

Also check ebay for DarkVengeance cultists (the old 6th/7th starter box), for cheap fodder and bubblewrap units

Tell us about the last time you got tabled.

>>55120603
>Lack of actual melee or Terminator equivalent
Something that sort of bummed me about the primaris, they make a good shooting army, but they really don't do well in melee something where marines should at least be decent in. Would love to see them gain a dedicated terminator type unit, but that won't happen for a while if ever
>>55120608
Figured, made even worse in that I love deep striking units in...
>>55120677
How do there regular terminators fair? Have heard that they are overpriced and by extension a poor troop choice


Now that I'm thinking, is there a way to take GK and Primaris together at all? Would assume it would have to do with playing around with what detachments you take and stuff

>>55120936
custodes man. Custodes. T5 W3 2+ 3++
Thanks GW

>>55120918
Thanks for the advice. If i went noise i was planning to get the fw ones. Here's hoping that EM codex people have been speculating about actually happens

>>55120941
>Now that I'm thinking, is there a way to take GK and Primaris together at all? Would assume it would have to do with playing around with what detachments you take and stuff
u can take both in an <imperium> detachment. Or make two detachments. No problem actually

>>55120965
I know.
I want a cheap fodder unit.
nurgle got poxwalker, tzeentch their birdmen.

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>>55120521
Get SC Deathwatch, so you can get owned by everyone... Except Necrons.

>>55120987
Maybe some kind of burning skeletons for Khorne (tho I know it's just gonna a Gorechosen ripoff)
And then those implied Slaaneshi Eldar from the rulebook.

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>>55120936
Orks vs Guard 7th edition

I hate Wyverns, Vetmeras, and Flamethrowers

I haven't had any time to try 8th, or find a place to play it even

>>55120987
I'm curious what ours would end be. Slaanesh doesn't have as many extraneous themes as the others.
Maybe crone eldar?

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>>55120834
Here's a sample of one or two of each type. They're a little ramshackle since they're just combat Servitors, so there's Kataphron claws, Torsion Cannon smashy bits and heads from pretty much the whole Admech range. Also one guy with Wolverine claws because I wanted to try it with Chordclaws, but that was way too much trouble, so he'll just be on his own.
Left some of the greaves on because they'd be a pain to remove after I've already built the dudes but I think I'll lop the shoulderpads off the three or four that have them.

>>55120936
I conceded to a triple levi dreadnaught army in the last Konor event. Fucker brought his tournament list to a narrative fight.

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>>55121051
Side view, because that doesn't really show off the weapons.

>>55120936
Almost every time I play :(

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>>55120460
squats

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I have played IG for a long time now and I was thinking about starting to collect some older metal models. Would it be a good idea to collect an tallarn desert raider army by buying weapon teams and that one character they have from ebay and rest of the figures from GW or would this just be a waste of money.

My LGS has used Crisis Battlesuits at 2 for $20, or 1 plus a pair of drones for $20. Should I get some if I'm interested in suit Tau?

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>>55121056
but anon triple Leviathons with Grav-Fluxs is SUPER fluffy!!!

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>>55120936
>Up against space marine player
>My favourite Necron fluffy list
>space marine has rerolls for just about fucking everything
>Turn 3 and all of my stuff is packed away
>GW claims that they play tested this game

Thanks GW!!!

>>55121034
I have hopes for extremly flamboyant gentlemen and women. Something like elite cultists. Think Sigvald the magnificient style.

But i will likely be disappointed

>>55121076
tfw
Can't even tell if it's my lists or my dumb playing either

>>55121081
waste of money. They are cheaper on ebay, if you look around.

>>55121131
What army do you play, anon?

>>55121081

should buy everything from ebay if able check your local ads too for waryam stuff

>>55120936
Yesterday, but it was a draw. Primarily because my last Furioso was fighting the swarmlord, and I exploded and did 3 mortal wounds to it.

We fucking tabled each other.

>>55121151
Ynnari
That's the worst part

>>55120336
great unclean one hopefully. But if not AoS Nurgle shit.

>>55120882
Alright overall, daemonettes are cool but expensive to get the optimal unit size. cultists are great for hitting that battalion/brigade tax

>>55121127
Sounds good to me.

>>55120028
Scars or Ultramarines.

>>55121163
Don't know. If your meta is anything like mine. You may just be playing against WAAC almost every game. Gets fucking old, man.....

Good thing the soul grinders are being put to use.

>>55121113
>Necrons losing to space marines

Kek.

>>55121131
>>55121163
Least you aren't necrons ;_;

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>>55121199
Necrons are currently losing to everyone, in case you've been living under a rock since 8th dropped.

>>55121168
Would you recommend one over the other for someone starting or both?

>>55121093
Yes, crisis are the main component but remember that they are fielded in groups of 3

>>55121191
Yeah, maybe
Been mainly playing against grey knights, which just completely shut down any psychic, and mulch my guys with stormbolters.
That or an actual WAAC chaos player, who will ask to see my index all the time.

I just wanna have FUN

>>55121211
But losing every game is great. GW giving Necrons the nerfs that Tau deserved was the right thing to do.

>>55120936
Kill Team about 6 months ago. Brought five specially kitted out Chosen for fun. Not sure what all the opponent brought because it went so fast. I remember a Plasma Cannon Marine and a scout with a Heavy Bolter. He took every one of my guys out in two turns. I never got a shot off. Lasted maybe 10 minutes.

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Is it dead? I was really hoping for more content.

>>55121244
Alright. How many squads should I start with?

>>55121051
>>55121067
Very nice, anon. Thanks for posting them for me.

>>55120936
Closest I could remember was >>55120936
Back in 7e when I brought back in 7e when I brought Ahriman's Exiles + Omniscient Oracles to a 2000 pt game vs. Tau.

I had less than 10 models. Which quickly got picked off by the Stormsurge. Tho one sorcerer did get the "Move Terrain" so the Stormsurge could never stand still to double tap.

>>55121277
Necromunda soon. So yea, it ded

>>55121267
Chosen were really overpriced in 7ed. Its your own fault for bringing them to a 200 point game.

>>55121249
That sucks. But those types are everywhere. I generally give someone one chance. If they go WAAC, I never play them again, and I tell others to avoid them too.

>>55121228

>Necrons are losing to everyone

Gee it's almost like they completely stripped the durability gimmick away from the most durable army.

Is it stupid to have a Primaris chapter get sent back in time a few centuries due to warp bullshit? I'm trying to write some bullshit for my dudes but making interesting traditions, rituals, etc. requires more than a single century for it to make sense.

>>55121277
i think yes.
After you cannot buy the box anymore and necromunda will come soon.....

While we're on the topic of murderbots, r8 n h8 my list:

Outrider Detachment
Overlord [7 PL, 107pts]: Voidblade

10x Immortal, Tesla Carbine

Canoptek Tomb Stalker [8 PL, 170pts]: Gloom Prism

Triarch Stalker [8 PL, 181pts]: Twin Heavy Gauss Cannon

Canoptek Acanthrites x5 [18 PL, 300pts]

Canoptek Tomb Sentinel [9 PL, 185pts]: Gloom Prism

Canoptek Scarabs [6 PL, 91pts]: 7x Canoptek Scarab Swarm

Canoptek Scarabs [6 PL, 91pts]: 7x Canoptek Scarab Swarm

Doomsday Ark [10 PL, 203pts]

Total: [80 PL, 1498pts]

I'm on my phone so forgive me if I failed any formatting

>>55121303
No chance of merging the two so that Necromunda doesn't die on the starting line too?

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>>55118018
>>55118024
They had no Autarch so I got this buddy instead

>>55120361
If I was using any decent ammount of Poxwalkers I would take both Typhus and Necrosius.
Their buffs are too strong.

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Friend plays 100% a Forgeworld army, should I say anything?

He runs stuff like Tech Priests, Onagar Dune Cralwers, Rangers and Ironstriders.

It feels unfun to play against honestly.

>>55121333
We can only hope anon. We can only hope

>>55121340
10/10 bait. Take your (you)

>>55121340
Just tell him to manup and actually buy forgeworld. Also make a big deal out of chinese resin cancer.

>>55121319
The issue isn't durability itself. It's the price you pay for that durability.

>>55121322

Just have them "reinforce" a chapter that had about a single squad's worth of survivors. A century is long enough to learn traditions from those few normal marines.

>>55121340
...You have hard time playing against trash units?

>>55121322
Nah, sounds okay to me. When the official lore contains a guard regiment being sent to respond to its own distress call and an ork warboss fighting himself so he can have two of his favourite gun, warp time-travel shenanigans seem perfectly fine in homebrew.

>>55121365

No I mean, Necrons straight up aren't a durability army anymore.

>>55121322
Wait, can't normal marines take primetosterone? Just make them an old chapter that got upgraded.

>>55121340
Well, I laughed. Nice work anon.

>>55121400
Can they? Thought you had to grow chads in vats or some shit, you're telling me marinlets can just BECOME the superior chadmarines?

>>55121291
2 squads is good. They are a little pricey points wise but will likely get a price drop and if you dig Farsight Enclaves then you can expect them to be troop choices again once the codex drops

>>55121361
>>55121383
Come on guys...

>>55121427
I swear some major captains went through primaris therapy already.

>>55121390
I wouldn't say that. They are durable, but susceptible to focus fire. If your opponent has a bad habit of not completely destroying a unit, it can end up coming back to haunt them.

>>55121322
It's been noted that the warp storms have made time a rather fluid concept. So some world may have seen 3 days over the past 200 years, others half a millenia.

At least that was the designer's answer to "how the hell can Chad Marines have Ancients, dreadnoughts, and Captains in just 200 years?"

>>55121445
You know what? That makes sense actually, cuz now GW can sell us updated character who've been up scaled to fit their current range and it still make... 'sense' within the lore.

>>55121427
Yes. A normal marine can have the additional organs implanted and they will grow into becoming a Primaris.

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>>55120554
>TWO COATS

>>55121113
You really must have done poorly, I havent lost to space marines at all this edition.

>>55121232
I'd say go cultists first, daemonettes are best run in mobs of 20+ so they arent cheap to add to your force. The "cultist assault" box has enough boys to run two 10 man squads and you can use the champion as an Exalted Champion or as a good conversion base for a custom Lord so its definitely a nice boost for your board presence and detachment taxes

>>55121228
>>55121254
>>55121113

I have literally no experience losing harshly except against a turboWAAC list this entire edition. I have NO idea why anyone else is struggling, unless I am in some alternate dimension and you all are suffering the wrath of marine wank. Literally the only complaint I have is that Ancient Necron Tech has less of an effect than Marine shit when it comes to Storm Shields and Dispersion Shields being 3+ and 4+ respectively.

>>55121541
>comes up with unbeatable Necron strategy
>you can't lose if you never play

Good plan, anon. But I actually play the game, so it won't work for me, unfortunately.

>>55121541
>>55121578
One thing I kept seeing was that necrons are more fit for lower point games, where people have less of a chance of wiping out entire squads at a time before RP can come in

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>>55121578
>powering your shields with tech rather than faith

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Its on a knife edge.

Who will win?

>>55121441
Would 2 Crisis Suit squads, 1 Stealth Suit squad, and a Commander be a good start?

>>55120958

Yeah man it took me 2 helbrutes to deal with 1 squad of custodes, smite and ither sources of mortal wounds are your friends when it comes to multiple wound 3++ units

>>55121611
Chaos will win this one and next one because ITS RIGGED YOU DUMMY

>>55121427
Yes, and the really old ones are people from the heresy era recruited to become Primaris.

Are Inceptors actually any good? They just seem like they'll die before they do anything useful and there are probably cheaper options for fulfilling the same role?

>>55121611
>Imperium makes massive gains over the weekend
>Chaos starts to slowly push back once the weekend is over

I'm not sure if the Imperial players all can't play because of school or if the Chaos players have no life enough to play a bunch during the week.

Or both.

>>55121455
Anon, Ancients are just flag bearers. Not old dudes.

>>55121578
It's not just shields. When you compare the two armies, crons get the lesser of everything, but pay more for it. This is why they are struggling right now, and why no one is bringing them to major tournaments.

>>55121634
Show proof.>>55121611

>>55121661
They don't get fresh recruits to carry the company standard

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>>55121591
I have beat Grey Knights twice, regular marine variants 5x, orks twice (both boyz and dreadmob) nids twice, deldar thrice, craftworlds twice, admech once, and Harlequins once.

Yet if you would believe /tg/ the Necrons have become the lowest of the low trash this side of sigmar. I actually would love to spectate the games where people say they are losing so much as necrons.

My 3250 point game last week versus GK ended in me having lost a squad of immortals, 3 wraiths, 4 scarab bases, and a squad of deathmarks before I tabled him.

And a 3250 v Ynnari I tabled them after losing 3 wraiths, 10 praetorians, a triarch stalker, and a transcendent c'tan. due to the konor mission parameters I did also lose 40 warriors but it was in the last turn and they took Yvraine, the Visarch, a Death Jester, and some Banshees with them.

>>55121611
There is literally nothing wrong with liking MCR.

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>>55121682

>>55121604
Necrons are fine. Just don't play games over 1000pts...

>>55121698
>3250 point games
The fuck? People play at 3250? I rarely see games at 2000.

>>55121711
There's enough Xenos on there to reasonably sway the results, all of the normally Imperium aligned xenos seem to be just fucking with whoever they want atm.

>>55121711
That means fuck all, Anon. It proves nothing.

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>>55121700

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>>55121113
What list do you usually play? Im curios to see what you seem to be losing with.

Also the durability with Necrons and the rules on targeting closest things first can really be used well by us. Experiment with small formations and phalanxes to maximize your survivability. Such as Pic Related, It can really make the most out of your units even if some things are going to die I have found this gets across the board quire unmolested. People keep saying its not very good for tournaments but most people dont play tournaments.

>>55121711
source?

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>>55121711
>212 people collected other

>>55121615
Sounds alright, just make sure you magnetize if possible so you can swap kits to adapt to your local meta.

>>55121724
>necrons
>just don't play

>>55121769
BoLS

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>>55121698
>ridiculous point level game
>winning with list containing deathmarks
>clearly this happened

Good job. I took the bait.

>>55120489
Great advice. I feel like I have half of that down, I'm a good looser but a terrible winner

>>55121770
probably Taghmata/admech

>>55121770
Inquisition, Harlequin, GSC, Adeptus Mechanicus, Knights.

But this data is useless without source.

>>55120336
Nurgle, right?

>>55121821
BoLS, apparently. >>55121788

>>55120521
trips and you get nothing and save ur money.

>>55121782
The used Crisis Suits are preassembled, but I'll magnetize the Coldstar and Stealhs.

>>55121855
Nice try, friend :^)

>>55121640
Heavy Bolter Inceptors are pretty darn good. Fly is a strong ability on a unit with so much shooting, particularly for non-Ultramarines. But Reivers and Shooty Terminators can perform somewhat similar roles as alpha strike and backline harassers.

Plasma Inceptors are a lot dicier as their cost start to get prohibitively expensive relative to their body count. Still, deep striking Plasma is no joke and is a lot harder to come by now that Drop Pods cost so damned much. One alternative is to use dual plasma pistol Vanguard Veterans instead. They're more points efficient per shot than the Inceptors but the shorter range and the fact that they're pistols greatly limits the flexibility of your target selection.

>>55121761
I don't have a set list that I use every game, but I will often have characters following key units for buffs.

Your formation is really good, if there's no terrain, no objectives, and you aren't playing 40k.

>>55121855
Already got some more clowns.

>>55121056
lol wut, how many point game? were they Hellforged?

>>55121211
Necrons are a good army in low-mid point games bub.

>>55121711
Pure numbers, it should be super one sided.

But then at what rate do Imperial players play? Paint? If a majority or even a plurality of Space Marines played once a week, while the average Chaos player played 3 or 4 times a week, the numbers would be closer.

There are a lot of factors a graph like that doesn't provide, and to try and use it as proof of a fixed competition is disingenuous.

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>>55121277
>>55121303
>>55121324
>>55121333
>Hyped for shadow war
>cant buy it when it comes out
>wait for the book and buy it
>everyone's already forgoten about it
>no one wants to try it with me
I've played three games of shadow war, all of them against myself. Even if they have the models the ugys playing 40k just are not interested, they just want to play regular 40k games all day.

Necromunda will fail, at least in my area, I feel it. If a game people already had models for can't catch on then people aren't going to buy necromunda models.

>>55120336
This image makes me extremely uncomfortable and I can't explain why...

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>>55121798

HQ: Overlord with Warscythe 112

HQ: Cryptek with SoL 104

HQ: Trazyn the Infinite 139

Elite: Lychguard with Shield 175 for 5

Elite Triarch Praetorian x10 with RoC 350

Elite Deathmarks x5 100

Canoptek Wraiths 2x particaster 1transbeam 141

40x Warriors 240

5x Immortals with Tesla 85

Flayed Ones x5 105

Triarch Stalker with Heat Ray 171

Ghost Ark 170

Annihilation Barge with Gauss Cannon 153

Doomsday Ark 203

Monolith 381

2x Doom Scythe 440

Overlord gets Res orb for 35 points more

List comes out to 3234 points and I have yet to lose with it.

When it comes to smaller games, things farther down get removed until I reach an acceptable number of points.

>>55121956
You have trypophobia, friend.

>>55121611
Have a (You) for putting the effort in with the tabs.

>>55121898
1750.
And not sure, he never said what anything was, just what they hit and wounded on.

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What is it /tg/ ?

That one army you allllways wanted to play, if somehow you won a 2500 point army, completely painted and based to ACTUAL pro painted standards thru some contest. You are allowed to chose which army and what models from that army. Forgeworld excluded. I dont want to see ten million "id get dat titan"!

>>55121931
different anon, but something does seem weird about the wins. I just don't get why chaos is doing so well now, but a plausible explanation is GW fudging numbers for their own benefit. GW isn't on trial here so providing lock down proof seems a bit much. Is there a better explanation for chaos out of nowhere catching up? I have seen a number of xenos say fuck imperium lately, so maybe that is a widespread thing

>>55122000
Paying homage to trips. I think honestly a white scars biker list would be awesome, but with the forgeworld bikes. Are substitute models allowed? That or an all ork killa kan army.

>>55121955
>cant buy it when it comes out
>wait for the book and buy it

Imo that's a big reason Shadow Wars failed.

My group was pumped for it, but having to wait several weeks really took the wind out of our sails.

>>55122000

An army consisting solely of Termagaunts amd Tervigons JUST to shit on conscript spam players.

>>55121885
Obviously compensate for terrain. It is just a perfect situation thing. that right there is only 786 or 751 respectively. Maybe its because im used to playing higher point games. Maybe I am just lucky. But this formation has never failed me to keep most of my other things alive to do the damage they need.

112
104
139
175
120
85

>>55121998
who plays games like that? Typically I ask about everything while we deploy just to relax and learn some stuff

>>55122017
First 2 weeks: Chaos has no codex
Last 2 weeks: Chaos has their codex

You can say what you want, but at least its even footing now.

>>55120460
Ultramarines.

>>55122000
Thousand Sons, definitely. I love my Necrons to death but Magnus is a model I just really want even if just a show piece. And to have it painted professionally would be awesome.

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>>55122017
They didn't catch up out of nowhere, the 3 Imperium wins all show a trend of Chaos closing the gap. They also have their codex, so that probably helped. And GW had been shilling hard to get Xenos against the Imperium, pic related.

That and I think maybe the Imperium players/supporters got complacent.

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>>55120227
What a colossal faggot.

>>55120882
Mandatory.
Why would you even build a slaanesh army if you aren't going to include any boob-demons?

>>55120460
ironically, Imperial Guard

no gimmicks
no superior genetics
no superior tech
no superior magic/psychic
no gods
no enhancements

pure blood, sweat and grit.

>>55122000
Honestly.
Assassins. In sets of four. With all models (two metal + plastic + conversions)

Is it good? No.
But 7 of each + 3 addition Eversors.

Absolutely hilarious.

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>>55121971
Holy shit! That list...

You are going all out with this bait.

Next time tell everyone that these are 2000pt games that you are unbeaten in, and you will hook way more people.

I still say this is quality bait, though. Good job.

>>55122000
I wouldn't want it painted for me, but I've always wanted Sisters of Battle. Probably gonna finally just fucking start one this year, and hope plastic sisters come out after I get my tanks and characters.

>>55120936
Over a decade ago. 3rd ed tournament. I was using IG. Guy (who eventually won) was playing Necrons. Pre-codex, so using the White Dwarf list.

He mistakenly thought (or knew and was cheating) that Scarabs hit at S10. I wasn't familiar with them so I didn't know they only got that by suiciding.

Would you rather have a chaos army with no legion traits but 12cp, or a 7cp chaos army with -1 to hit your dreads/havocs (alpha legion trait)?

>>55122132
How the fuck? Do you just not play anymore?

>>55122000
350 sluggaboys with painboys and KFFs sprinkled liberally within the blob

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>>55122109
tfw not bait

>>55122148
he is just that good now

>>55121031
in 8th that matchup will give you a waaaghboner

>>55122148
Dunno about him, but so long as I don't build a goofy list I find it really hard to be tabled. Almost no one gets tabled in my area.

Tho our tables have lots terrain (including LOS blockers).

>>55122147
2k pts btw and the quality of the two lists is pretty similar outside of those considerations

>>55122000
Aspect Warriors Eldar.

I need leaks god damn it

We havent had a good leak since before all this death guard primaris shit

There is no longer any ally charts, are there? So Necrons can't ally with anybody else?

>>55122000
>That one army you allllways wanted to play, if somehow you won a 2500 point army, completely painted and based to ACTUAL pro painted standards thru some contest. You are allowed to chose which army and what models from that army. Forgeworld excluded. I dont want to see ten million "id get dat titan"!
Why would I want an army someone else has built and painted?

I pretty much have the armies that I want built and painted. IK, GK, RG, IG, Tau, Scions.

Got some more IG stuff to finish and then a Primaris army. 50 guys in a stormbird.

>>55120936
Custodes. They brought 1000 points to 750 without realizing. I had a silly melee Guard list. I conceded but if we played it out I would have been tabled. Other games have been close, but I always had 1-3 things left.

>>55120141
Squatlings

What constitutes a npc faction? Xenos? Anything that isn't Imperium? Anything that isn't loyalist space marines? Anything that isn't Ultramarines?

>>55122246
Correct. Though, once you get your codex you'll be able to ally different Necron dynasties with each other.

>>55122290
Anything that will get the (you)s.

>>55120149
I remember being 12 at my hobby store and no one would play with me and it sucked so I always try unless I know the kid is a little shit.

>>55122290
>anything that isn't Ultramarines?
Let's be real, this is the answer.

>>55122246
Wait for chapter approved, its more or less the 40k Generals Handbook

>>55120336
Great unclean one

or hopefully scavvies for necromunda

>>55122290
What >>55122308 says. The whole NPC race thing is (depressingly effective) bait.

>>55122290
anyone that isn't my faction

>>55122290
Any army that doesnt include one of the main characters if 40k (Bobby, celestine, Cawl)

>>55122246
well
in matched play or what its called no

if you and your opponent(s) are fine with it......
personally i would say, take different but complete detachments

Do we know if any of the badab war chapters are getting their own traits? If not which chapter would you pick for Minotaurs, Exorcists or Red Scorpions?

>>55122290
For a non-bait definition, I'd say oldcrons and tyranids.

They are factions with no personality that can only fit into a narrative in one way (as the super-destructo terminators that kill/eat everybody). You would never play as them in a story focused TTRPG or CRPG.

>>55122336
But you play Squats.

>>55122000
Darkmech, the army that doesn't exist.

Imagine fielding nothing but hereteks, daemon-engines, artillery, and terrifying tech-assassins.

Your meat-shields are either straight up daemons or lobotimized cultists, think of the glorious conversions, the meaty, horrific, transhuman glory that is Darkmech.

>>55122246
Yeah, I never thought I would be dissapointed that I couldnt 'forge the narrative'. I liked allying my necrons with Mech, "Dark Mech" or the Iron Warriors

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>>55122242
Is this leak to your liking ?

>>55122442
But that's literally what narrative play is for. If I want to make up a scenario where my GSC and Orks team up, I can do that in a narrative game. Or just do open play.

>>55122442
I mean in matched play you can't, but ally armies are nearly always worse than uni-armies in 40k unless they're meme lists like Girlyman + 4 Vindicare + 7 Culeux.

>>55122374
>Red Scorpions

Ultramarines, just add an Apothecary for every 2 troop choices.

>Minotaurs

White Scars, keeps them mobile and lets them reduce charge ranges like their old CT.

>Exorcists

Iron Hands? They sound like tough motherfuckers. Does Silas Alberec even have rules in 8th? IF he does then pick whatever synergies best with that.

>>55122506
Exorcists could do pretty fluffy with anything. Ultras or RG for their devastator cult, IH for their close assault, or even running them as straight Grey Knights

or dare I say... Word Bearers?

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>>55121611
Those tabs.

>>55122486
>Meme lists

Yeah why build a meme when you can play against people's "Fluffy" Lists.

Like this guys SW list he insists is more for fluff
>4 Assbacks
>Wolf Lord
>Bjorn
>3x5man with melta
>Long fangs

I know the reason it's SW is because he doesn't own GMan

>>55122374
Maybe. But Forgeworld is glacially slow and they have bigger fish to fry at the moment, especially after losing their lead writer and designer.

>>55121700
Black Parade is the only good song and that's only due to the meme.

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>>55122626
Except there is so much abuse these days.

>>55122290
Xenos and anyone who doesn't have a fair amount of book protagonists

>>55122568
I actually like Black Templars successors for Exorcists. Deny the Witch actually makes sense for them, and since you aren't actually Black Templars you can still run Librarians.

>>55122483
Its not the same

>>55122689
>and since you aren't actually Black Templars you can still run Librarians.
really? I'd assume since you're using the BT rules that's what you count as.

>>55122700
so you're just autistic then?

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Would Genestealer Cult allied with Imperial Guard work well? I am thinking the cult with a blob or two of conscripts would be a challenge.

>>55122772
I thought GSC can take imperial guard units

>>55122000
Either Ghostkeel/Pathfinder -3BS Tau, 200 cultists + deep strikers CSM, or a Beastmaster list for my DEldar.

>>55122734
Nah you have the EXORCISTS keyword. The only things successors get to borrow are CTs and Stratagems. This means that they would get Librarians since Lost Librarius would not apply, but they would not get crusader squads, the BT Warlord traits, the BT relic, or, of course, the BT characters.

Can I include a patrol detachment of "Imperium" within my Astra Militarium army?

Just wondering. I've never played before and was wondering if that is frowned upon.

Are there penalties for Tau and Nids joinging together?

>>55122675
good thing local tournaments just have a "no more than 2 of the same unit" rule thingy
or was it 3..

>>55122734
You can use any chapter tactic you find appropriate for a successor chapter, which specifies that you don't actually have to have the Black Templar tag to use the CT

You don't get the special characters or crusader squads though

>>55122809
Yup. Perfectly legal. The way to include allies without losing faction benefits is to include than in a separate detachment like that.

>>55122809
Tau and Nids cannot join together in Matched play. You can only use them in the same army in the "anything goes" open play or narrative play.

>>55122809
You can do so easily

In fact there's currently no penalty to IG for just including Imperium stuff in the same detachments

You cannot ally nids and Tau because they don't share a faction keyword

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Is there any way i could use Vortex Beast/Slaughterbrute in 40k? Model looks really cool but i don't wanna start playing smegmar

>>55122809
Tau and Nids can't be in separate detachments in the same army. No shared keyword.

Open play is anything goes.

>>55122809
you can have any <imperium> guys in the same detachment
also you cant take units in your army that dont share a keyword
so <imperium> and <aeldari> are not compatible
or <Sept> and <Hive Fleet>

>>55122870
Just start playing Sigmar.

How big is that thing? Compared to a 40k unit?

>>55122809
>>55122844
Does this work for Admech too?

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>>55122870
>smegmar
I bet you've never touched a WHFB model and just repeat what you've read. As for 40k, use it as a Chaos Spawn, DP, Hellbrute.

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>>55120745

When the Genestealer cults infiltrate the local PDF, of course. Incidentally, I'd enjoy seeing some daemon incursion repelled by a bunch of Guardstealers.

>>55122859
>In fact there's currently no penalty to IG for just including Imperium stuff in the same detachments

There is as of Chapter Approved. A detachment needs to be use a specific <faction> keyword to gain ObSec on troops.

>>55122790
No, they can take a single IG detachment for every GSC detachment. So you can have a Tyranid detachment, a GSC detachment and an IG one and still be battle forged.

>>55122772
I dont think GSC benefits much from conscripts, more genestealers or artillery to plug some of their weaknesses may be better since its not like GSC doesnt have cheap fodder.

>>55122915
Ah good to know.

Okay make them a seperate detachment

>>55122905
Just keep them each in their own separate detachments and you can mix and match detachments from any Imperial armies without losing any bonuses.

>>55122911
There's art of them fighting Nurgle daemons in the GSC book from 7th.

>>55122916

I can take Imperial Guard AND Tyranids? Sweet. I always wanted to buy some big Tyranid beasties but never wanted an entire army of them.

>>55122188
I thought Guard were god tier even without conscript memes

>>55122952
Yep, GSC can take both.

>>55122957
Nah. Without the current state of Conscripts they'd probably just be okay.

>>55122952
Quit trolling. You can't.

>>55122952
As long as you have a GSC detachment then yes since you ignore the <Astra Militarum> keyword and both GSC and Tyranids share a faction keyword.

>>55121335
Alright, he is glued and sits here now.
What craftworld do I paint my craftworlds then? I thought about Saim-Hann

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Does /tg/ think this might work? I was thinking of converted some Fenrisian Wolves to Beasts of Nurgle because they have the same base size and I think the appearance of BoN can have a lot of variety. One wolf plastic kit (with 5 wolves) is like the same price as one BoN so I thought it might be a cool idea. Also are BoN even any good crunch wise?

>>55123010
I was considering doing something similar but with just calling them "Attack Dogs" for AM. (obviously just using the fenrisian wolves datasheet)

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>>55122988
It's literally in the faq

>>55122988
Yes, yes you can.

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>>55122986
huh when my buddy was dexcribing the artillery and the "Artillery Commander" cant remember what it was actually called it sounded horrific.

Plus with the alpha strike shit im terrified to remove 300+ points before I actually move a model

Honestly I just hate gunlines

>>55122870
Giant Chaos Spawn in Chaos' IA index.

>>55123044
Without Conscripts they're just a normal gunline and 8th is full of deep striking and super fast melee to disrupt that. First turn charges are a regular occurance after all.

>>55122986
This is outstandingly wrong

Anyone got any idea of plastic bitz for tankbustas? So far I'm gathering all the mine-carrying arms from the boyz kit, and as many rokkit launchas and the backpack full of rokkits.

Any others?

>>55122095
>no psychic
astropaths, primaris psykers, wyrdvanes

>>55123116
being able to charge after deployment is a fucking terrible change to 8th, it makes it so risk free to just DS in and charge without taking any risks

>>55123225

Take a guess how many armies, other than orks, who can get a 9" charge off reliably.

Spoiler: WAY less than you make out.

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>>55123170
buy a Ork Plane kit and use the Skorcha Rokkit ends, use the Rokkits off the Dread kits, also use the Stikkbombs and convert them into rokkits

>>55123225
Having to hit a 9 every time (especially with multiple units so you can't reroll all of them) is not easy.

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>>55123170
A little plasticard tubing and the rokkits from deffkoptas on shootas helped fill out my squad. Two on a pair of sluggas gave me a twin rokkit pistol guy. Tankhammers with some thicker plastic tubing topped by greenstuff.

Still looking into a really cheap squig bomb solution.

>>55123246
anyone who cant do the 8" charge reliably usually has a way to move all the way acroos the battle field without deep strike.


>>55123328
Dont forget you only need to roll an 8 to get within 1"

>>55123377
Wrong. You have to set up after deep strike 'more than nine inches away'. Meaning you need a 9

>>55123377
No, you have to roll a 9. Most of the deep striking stuff is required to be placed OVER 9 inches away.

>>55123225
There's plenty of risk. And unlike previous editions just getting a single unit stuck in often doesn't do much on it's own. That charged unit just falls back and the rest of the at shoots the chargers to pieces. To make assault work you generally have to coordinate multiple charges. So it's usually possible to get some disruption from first turn charges, but a really decisive assault on first turn is very difficult to achieve.

>>55123377
You have to set up at more than 9" away, so 9.01 is ok. If you charge 8" you are 1.01 away so not within 1".

with mortarion coming out how do i make sure his ass dont get unloaded on by an entire 2000 point army on turn one if i didnt get to go first or some asshole seized?

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>>55123330
>>55123170
This is a small idea I had for Squig Bombs, basically remote controlled Bombs, im going to be doing more "looted ones" and hopefully some on wheels as well

>>55123377
>>55123404
>>55123427
to be clear GW specifies the 9" requirement on charges very clearly in the FAQ.

there shouldn't be any question during a game, if someone deploys with one of these rules and charges you with an 8 they are cheating their measurements.

>>55123457
That's pretty cool

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>>55123427
>>55123404
>>55123397
>>55123471
yup i thought i had seen the opposite in FAQ but it for sure says the its needs a 9

>>55123422
with the way you are able to lock units out of shooting it makes it really easy to nullify shooting

>>55123428
By hoping he is actually balanced so people don't have to dump everything at him.
Alternatively, be smart and plan accordingly, 2k units hunting for something probably <500 points

>>55120141
Marines

>>55119811
>player brings Celestine to a 1k game and mildly mentions he is gay, as his BF has taken his paints so he can't paint his new penitent engines
>player has broad shoulders but also very large boobs, is painting a slaaneshi warband with rainbow colour dinobots and uses female pronouns for half her marines
Who's the bigger faggot here

>>55123692
you for not finding a new store

>>55123692

You are. You're here, aren't you?

>>55123717
No the gay player was great, friendly but not camp and had a good laugh with him, but wasn't a channer so didn't use /tg/ memes

>>55123692
You for being a whiny bitch.

Admech really needs some new HQ options and they best be getting some in the new codex

>>55123774
>new HQ options
Kinda hope they get a Skittari option for HQ:

Skitarii Doctrina Alpha
M6", WS3+, BS3+, S3, T3, W4, A3, Ld8, Sv4+

40-50pts base, same options as a Skitarii Alpha

Doctrina Imperatives:
At the start of your Movement phase, select one SKITARII <FORGEWORLD> unit within 6". Apply one of the following:

- Conqueror: +1 To Hit with melee attacks and -1 To Hit with shooting attacks

Protector: +1 To Hit with shooting attacks and -1 To Hit with melee attacks.

>>55123692
You, because you think we care.

>>55123039

seems the only armies who get left out in the cold are tau eldar and necrons

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Started my first book from Black Library. Won't say which one for fear of spoilers but just wanted to ask:

How much do you guys read? Do you read everything or only certain topics/authors/series?