Warhammer 40K General (40kg)

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>>55114363
First for the Drukhari!

So why do chaos contemptors get a 3+ save, but the imperial version gets a 2+?
Is it just made out of more gundanium than the chaos one or what?

And how did they manage to lose the lascannons for the chaos version?
Seems really arbitrary

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Incoming blog post:
I wish I could get a permanent ban from /tg/ that blocked all access to the board, but moot removed that last bit and from what I've seen permanent bans tend to be site-wide. I need to get away from /tg/ though, but I can't help myself when I'm bored. But in the 9 years I've been here it's just the same shit. The buzzwords, names and specifics have changed, but it's the same 40k arguments over and over and over again. And yet I'm evidently here forever despite it.
At least there's art threads.

Whats the point of taking Assault Terminators with lightning claws when Tartaros Terminators can do the same thing and get an extra inch of movement?

Seriously, is there any reason not to take thunder hammers on all your AT's?

>>55114563
I've been playing 40k since early 3e. Believe me when I say that idiots on the Internet have been saying GW is going to go under, Sisters are going to get plastics, and Sisters are going to get squatted since time immemorial.

>>55114553
Generally Chaos stuff is either heavily touched (i.e. ruined by the warp) or lacks the logistics to properly keep their 10,000 year old shit maintained properly.

>>55114612
Even if Tartaros weren't introduced, lightning claws terminators would still be invalidated. People only took them for the extra attack and the ability to not go last, which are both invalidated now unless I'm forgetting something.

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>>55114612
They look cool? A lot of units still don't really fill a mechanical role well, so just take em if you like vanilla Terminators. You know, the best ones.

Chaos players use all your soul grinders! We can win this!

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What is your 40k guilty pleasure?

I unironically love the edge marines

>>55114657
Liking what Carnac doesn't like. Also the Edgy Korps of Krieg despite how much I mock them for being overly edgy.

>>55114657
How long until Luth starts drawing Guardsmen and Slaaneshi rape porn and Orks with with dicks? Greed is serious motivator.

>>55114657
chaos terminators with tusks, I find them badass.

>>55114657
I don't play them but I think most tau battlesuit models are pretty cool

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>>55114657
I like Abaddon, and I think the Black Legion is cool.

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>>55114657
Liking the Black Legion and Ultramarines. Also the cultists snap-fits are my favourite models.

>>55114701
It's a shame BL has reduced liking Abaddon to a guilty pleasure.

>>55114679
You say that like it's a bad thing.
Luth doujins would probably great.

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>>55114657
Rule 34 of 40k. I mean, duh.

>>55114628
You still get an extra attack for a pair of lightning claws. You also don't get the to hit penalty of the thunder hammer.

>>55114657

Death Korps and Shitty Headcannon. Those two aren't necessarily related.

I dunno why people aren't fond of how the "good" guys of 40k (Tau), would be the big bad in most other works (Star Wars, or really anything scifi-fantasy ish)
Really adds more to 40k than another flavour of out grimdorking one another

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>>55114657
I base my favorite armies entirely off of waifu potential.

>>55114719
Ah, I forgot the extra attack got written into the claws. But a -1 to hit is far preferable to I1, at least imo.

>>55114728
No they would not, they are better than Galactic Empire from SW, they don't have grizzled cruel commanders like Vader or Tarkin.

>>55114728

Tau are not the good guys. I hate this damn meme. I hate the fucking shits who won't shut up about it at my store. I hate fucking moral fags screeching about how Tau are the only right choice. Fuck them, I just wanna push little plastic men around on a table top I don't care who is "good" or "bad" and I don't want to hear about how I'm a horrible person for not playing Tau. I wish they'd just fucking leave me in peace.

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>>55114657
I find the 40k memes amusing

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>>55114363
So question; Would taking a Troupe of Harlequins and a Warlock beat taking a Squad of Scourges and a Kabalite Squad?

The rest of the Army will be D-Scythe Wraithguard and Yvraine.

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>>55114739
Hard mode anon: waifu the Tyranids.

>>55114657

I enjoy a lot of cringy shit from 1d4, and I will not apologize for it, though I do have the good sense not to bring it up on the board.

Speaking of lightning claws, are they just completely worthless on Chaos marines now that Exalted Champions exist and are likely a common sight across lists?

>>55114758
Both are neat, but as you have literally no ranged game otherwise, take the scourges

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>>55114526

>>55114714
Yeah Luth should draw diaper, guro and malepreg Orks.

>>55114754
Put it in "" for a reason
But clearly you've got some issues.

>>55114752
GE is bad guys. Tau would be be a different flavour of bad guy, join us or we'll murder you all. Maybe sterilize or mysterious plague if you're unlucky

>>55114770
Exalted champs are pretty sweet but also have a fair bit of competition for hq slots. So depends on the rest of your list. Lord or Apostle backing up a bunch of lightning claws would be pretty solid.

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>>55114657
I... I like primaris marines

>>55114797
GE makes massive purges and genocides, Tau o not.

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>>55114657
Shitty memes

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So with them being the poster boys and all, would I be looked down upon for playing Ultramarines with no Chads, just Marines, probably in Mk4 with all the heresy era FW upgrades to make them look proper Roman?
I just want a Roman themed army, and Ultramarines justify it. I could just say they got time traveled from a warpstorm on teh way to Ullanor.
Although what would they think of the legion now? What would Guilliman think of them?

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>>55114800
Only place where I could see Lightning claws being used are deep strike lists, but even then. Everyone's gaga over Berserkers now

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>>55114612
>>55114628
>hating LCAss termies

>>55114797
If you dropped the tau into a less grim dark sci fi setting it'd be interesting to see if they stopped doing shit like that and became outright good guys, or continued being somewhere in the middle

>>55114813
People will look down on you for playing 40k. Who gives a shit

>>55114782
Right, Right. The Scourges are excellent for spot Removal, horde Clearing and Character sniping if they aren't careful. But is there anything else besides Kabalites, I ponder.

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>>55114765

>>55114657
I like how the Primaris Marines look. I don't use them, but if I still like their models.

>>55114801
Me too. Models look nice and the fluff is fine.

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>>55114827
I wish I could say I wouldn't.

But I would.

>>55114813
desu my friend group looks down on bog standard smurf players, but if you have some roman flair then I would probably reconsider

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>>55114765

>>55114563
The worst part is that now internet aged authors are getting involved. But they do it through private internet accounts and sometimes come off as defensive and arrogant, like any other neckbeard who has found someone who likes or dislikes what he dislikes or likes and it's made the whole cycle that much worse.
Though to be honest, I didn't really notice it until Carnac showed up under his first guise of TIDF and we started having literally the same threads over and over which have only gotten worse with time.

>>55114657
Liking 40k. My friends dont know and im like a closeted gay about it

>>55114826
>But is there anything else besides Kabalites

For their price point, not really

>>55114849
why

>>55114765
It's lead by "Queen" and is literally tentacle monsters. That's fucking easy mode.
Orks are the hardest waifu

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>>55114813
Bob would like them better because he misses old times. They would be shocked by how awful has become Imperium.

>>55114741
It does make lightning claws a bit more attractive over the old version, as long as you're wanting to kill single wound infantry.

>>55114854
because 40k after improvements is still a bad game.

Hell, I'm playing 40k because every game company I liked has completely shat their bed and ones I don't like are the ones keeping theirs afloat

>>55114824
The trope of protagonist from some small happy nowheresville that gets conquered by some militaristic conquering empire and he/she must save everyone. Is pretty rote, and Tau fit that antagonist empire pretty neatly.

Nothing comically evil, but not below mind control/sterilization/mystery diseases/oppression

>>55114842
Now that is what I'd call death by snu-snu

>>55114854
Because he obviously plays Dark Angels. It's the only explanation.

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>>55114858

>>55114854
Friends are bros/chads, GF's only frame of reference is her forreal autist cousin blowing almost 10k of inheritance on FW models

>>55114881
LOL I DID play DA! Now I play Orks

>>55114887
I'm autistic, and even I think that cousin is a retard.

>>55114882
Dat's a green humie with bad chest gubbinz. Not ard, no dakka, not choppy, or rippy.

0/1234567890

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>>55114827
>ywn have a Lictor Maid Waifu greet you when you come home
>ywn snuggle up to your xenos gf
>ywn give her pets

Just end my life senpai.

>>55114887
Did he buy a fleet of Mantas?

Or did he legit buy into that Titan Legion 5 pack they were selling?

>>55114882
Not 'nuff musklez and teef.

>>55114899
Once you go green, you never go...

Shit, I had something for this.

>>55114858
Well....Normally I don't look at alien space locusts and think to myself " I wanna fuck that". Strange, I know, but thems the breaks.

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>>55114887
If they can't accept a fairly innocuous hobby like this they're not great friends/gfs

Not saying you should expect them to start playing it or anything, and maybe the sex and companionship is worth it, but it's not a good sign in general

>>55114801
So do gauss blasters, power armor is the new T-shirt save.

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So I think I accidentally made a new guy quit the game with this list. Did I do well /tg/?

>>55114912
It was Titans, not sure which ones. Never met the guy

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>>55114859
I need that model but I can't find it anywhere

>>55114813
Play what you want man, don't let retarded memes keep you from choosing the army you want. I love the Space Wolves and it doesn't matter how many dumbass furry jokes I have to deal with because I still enjoy playing the army.

>>55114931
>stomps noob
>expects praise
no

Will people expect my alpha legion detachment to be in proper colors or is it cool to just say they are in disguise?

>>55114954
tbf I didn't know he was new when I was playing cause he was spamming some retarded assassin shit and conscripts

>>55114961
so what is your strat when using snipers on IG? who do you target first?

my friend plays space doggies, and he just can't get the hang of them. any tips?

>>55114945
Its kitbash from various Forge World and other parts.

>>55114971
He had some commissars and a tech priest that just kept healing whatever my buddy was hitting his tank for, so I shot the fuck outta that tech priest, then killed his commissars with the dreads. They're fucking broken with a 3+ save no matter what, plus a 6+ fnp. Also any SW units get to reroll hits of 1 within 6" of Bjorn.

>>55114914
...aint no other peen?
>>55114923
There fine with it I'm just at an age (27) where I would find it uncomfortable if it came up at a social function.

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>>55114842
I still would

>>55114887

It isn't as bad a hobby as other things, like not as weird as MTG people.
Just keep it reasonable.
>I like collecting, building and painting these as a hobby as I've found it relaxing. Striving to improve my painting finesse is something that has got me driven lately.
Make sure you collect normie models like marines or mech dudes, no edgy/degenerate like slaanesh

>>55114363
So can someone help me understand Battleforged armies?

If I have a Battalion Detachment, I'll have 3 CP. If I want to add a unit of Hellblasters, that takes away 1 CP, correct? And where do I find that thing to upgrade my Captain into a Chapter Master?

>>55114553
Because the loyalist one is a relic and requires another elite slot unit for each contemptor you take

>>55114998
Jihadist themed Orks

>>55114801
I not only like primaris, I love aggressors and am thinking about running 12 inceptors. I only wish there had a cheaper transport option for intercessors

>>55114993
how effective do you find snipers? I made a squad of marauders for my chaos army and they get two snipers in a 5 man squad for 35pts. I could make another squad if I end up liking them

>>55114657

Lines of Firewarriors backed by Hammerheads

>>55115040
I didn't like them in my list, but they definitely served their purpose. I think they would've been a lot better if I could afford to stick more in there. The dreadnoughts definitely tore shit up tho so well that I'm considering dropping murdershit and taking another venerable with axe just because they were so effective.

>>55115040
Results may vary, most of em hit on 3s and will wound on 4s or 5s depending on the character. Since you're shooting for 6s for those sweet mortal wounds, more is better here. So if ya want to take snipers, take big squads of them.

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>>55114657
space knights

>>55115087
homeboys about to get krumped by those exceedingly more point efficient models

>>55115077
marauders are cheap, but only get 2 per squad. that is my best option as chaos afaik

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>>55114657
I too like edge marines, so much in fact that I play them.

Ave Dominus Nox, We have come for you, etc etc.

>>55115118
Sounds like you don't have a really good option for snipers. Are they an elites slot? I don't really know the Chaos codex too well to know that, but if they you could still throw a bunch of them together in a Vanguard Detachment as a counter for someone who runs a character heavy list.

>>55115134
they are elite, but my vanguard is alpha legion havocs, dreads, and helbrutes so they have to stay in the generic battalion. I figured 35 pts for the whole squad if they can harass and distract a bit that is worth it. I could also plop them on an objective

>>55115236
Eh, if they're 35 pts I can understand throwing them in if you got spare points to throw their way, but really only 2 to a squad? That hardly sounds worth it, besides you won't be hurting too bad if you don't take them.

>>55114914
Clean?

Looking to start a new army. I already have a mix of Eldar stuff, and a mix of Chaos stuff. I like shooty units, low model count, and difficult-to-harm units. Preferably low-price. Any suggestions?

>>55115087
>Black dragons
>no random CLEARLY PURE bone spike mutations

>>55115332
Sounds like you want Custodes/Grey Knights.

Maybe Tau if going commander spam route

>>55115353
Custodes look nice, but are they really shooty? And Tau seem interesting, but I don't want to buy into FotM cheese when it's inevitably going to get nerfed to shit.

>>55115389
>stormbolters on their halbards
>hurr are they shooty?

>>55114789
>Assuming it's Druk-AIR-ri
>Not Druk-AH-ri

Fucking yanks

>>55115389
Not that shooty, but they aren't slouches. Also they are part of the broader Imperium so you can get Contemptors and other tanks to recruit.

>>55115332
Shooty, low unit, hard to harm is suit tau with drone support pretty thoroughly.

>>55115389
Tau dex will probably tweak things around a fair bit, so I'd wait and see

>>55115407
>52 points for a storm bolter
>and it's not even a storm bolter

Incredible

>>55115408
We know it's the second one, don't ruin the fun.

>>55115407
>50 points
>Bolter with -1 AP
how is this shooty, are you comparing it to bloodletter mobs or something?

>>55114945
Not only is it a kitbash as >>55114973 says, but it's a kitbash costing hundreds of pounds. The dude (Matthew Kane) literally bought primarchs for bits, among other kits.

>>55115332
Necron Destroyer spam

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>>55115408
That's not how you spell Drew Carey

>>55114711
It's shame that illiterate scum like you exist.

>>55114754
>Tau are not the good guys

Except the Tau are good guys. They might do bad stuff from time to time but they have good intention and out of all the factions they are the most likely top act on compassion and nobility towards other factions. Farsight is an outright good guy.

And you playing Space Nazis doesn't make people think you are an awful person. That's called projection. You are an awful person for other reasons.

>>55115389
Honestly, even if the commanders get nerfed, you are likely still going to use the suits.

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>>55115491
>Matthew Kane
HUH

>>55115491
>bought primarchs for bits
Christ, do some people literally shit money

>>55114754
Lol my flgs is like 2/3 imperial, chaos or orkz and all of them like to make fun of the blue pansies.

>>55115509
Well played and underrated

I'm new to painting. Aside from >thin your paints. What should I do?

Anyone else have a case of too much shit they want to use in their army? I have an bunch of HH boxes, and I feel like I can never fit enough into my CSM lists.

>>55115684
Actually paint. Get shit done. Do shit work. Do better shit next time.

>>55115684
Take your time and don't drink your paint water

>>55115684
Learn to wash and drybrush, it'll save you a lot of work especially when painting in bulk.

>>55115684
Watch based Duncan.
https://www.youtube.com/user/GamesWorkshopWNT/videos

What are some of the best ways to kill Roboute Guilliman?

>>55115715
>throw him in the lake
>poison him
>bury him alive
There's a million ways to kill a Primarch

>>55115715
pray and hope fulgrim shows up again

>>55115715
Kidnap Yvraine.

>>55115715
Manning an Earthshaker cannon 10 klicks away.

>>55115698
>>55115700
>>55115704
>>55115711

Surprisingly good advice from the internets highest concentration of raging autists

>>55115715

Slit his throat with a magical poison sword.
It worked once already.

>>55115768
and this kills the man how
you'll just make him Liam Neeson your ass

>>55115410
I do like Dreadnoughts and some of the Inquisitor models.

>>55115411
Awesome. What's the cheapest way to start suit Tau?

>>55115497
Interesting. Destroyers look nice.

Was there a canon conflict between sisters of battle and some loyalist adeptus astartes, besides the age of apostasy? How it is solved without declaring one of the side as traitoris extremis?

>>55115825
By having the astartes be Grey Knights.

>>55115825
Space Wolves bombarder Bolter Whores fleet before they attempted to purge Fenris.

>>55115715
I'm Chaos Lord of Khorne with Murder Sword could probably kill him in one round of you used the stratagem to get an extra round of attacks. A world eater lord with a bolt pistol with the exalted champion warlord trait and the daemon bolts stratagem wouldn't even need that assuming average rolls and they got the charge.

>>55115825
well there's the whole GK situation
sororitas are apparently baddie repellent so just smear one all over you in case you think there's daemons nearby

>>55115715
Call Fulgrim

>>55115810
SC box as usual

>>55115791
>internets highest concentration of raging autists
Please, there are far worse than us out there

>>55115715
>>55115768
Doesn't Yvraine actually end up killing him before he kills her because she can soulburst herself?

>>55115858
wolves themselves are heretics so fair enough

>>55115861
>I'm Chaos Lord of Khorne
I'm pretty sure a chaos Lord, I meant to say

>>55115825
More Marines have fallen then Sisters. I'd generally agree fighting whatever they're fighting.

>>55115873
The Yncarne kills him easily with soulburst
I would doubt Yvraine could though

>>55114363
Are there any IG that are supposed to be more or less American?

>>55115825

Adeptus Sororitas came into conflict with the Sons of Malice, though they just ended up torching their shit and forcing them out of the Imperium. Actually, it seems to go that way a lot, at least for regular Astartes.

A few times the Sororitas have worked with the Grey Knights (not as armor paint, that was formally retconned), though their initial meetings are usually hostile since a secret, unlooked for Space Marine chapter just showed up and deployed in-force without any formal communications through the chain of command. Even the Carcharodons give a courtesy "Danger Close" when they enter the fray, that is if there's no enemy to charge into and start boarding/tearing to pieces to clearly display whose side just got the reinforcements.

Usually the Grey Knights just sing aloud parts of Imperium holy books and the Sororitas stop shooting because if a servant of Chaos spoke those holy passages aloud, their throats would catch fire.

>>55115891
actual american? no.
action movie rambo/arnie american? Catachan.

>>55115891

Catachan. Based on 80s American action movie characters. They even have not!Rambo.

>>55114657
I love the idea that the Tyranids pre-date the old ones and scoured the galaxy of life before the old ones arrived

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>>55115018
It's made out of wood because Lion's name literally translates into German as something like 'Lion of the Forest' or 'Forest of the Lion' or something like that. So not a surprise it's wood. Also if we go off official art, he doesn't look like that. He does have long hair in this picture but the way it's drawn and coloured makes you miss it, he isn't short. The hair looks like a part of his armour.

>>55114657
I want <spoiler>lizardmen</spoler> to get a codex.

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Is there a way to give my tanks + to save by putting guards in front? Or does that not work at all anymore?

>>55115927
>blond hair
>black beard
that rumour about the dark angels becomes more believable

>>55115942
Remember when tau were all about being an empire of aliens and not retarded gundams?

>>55115891
Elysian Drop Troops are based to a degree on Airborne tactics the army uses.

You could argue Cadian due to Murica being better trained than any other force in the world.

>>55115942
Learn how to spoiler you melon. And Exodite Eldar will be the best you'll get.

>>55115954
fuck that
we gundam now

>>55115543
>good intentions
>in killing you and forcing you into my shitty space ideology, but trust me its for your own good!
>good guys
I don't bloody well think so, Tau are just as shitty as everyone else

>>55115954
They were always a race of retarded gundams.

Actually if you want to get a feel for Tau fluff battlefleet gothic armada made the demiurg brotherhood seem realistic.

>>55115898
How did they retcon it?

>>55114657
Honestly, 40k in general. I've tried other wargames, mainly Infinity and X-wing, and never found them as fun (Not to say I didn't find them fun, X-wing was a blast when I was able to play it, but it just never reached 40k levels.)

>>55115946
Why is cover so fucking hard to understand for you fucking morons?

>Are you in cover?
Yes
>Are you Infantry?
Yes
>Enjoy +1 armor

>Are you in cover?
Yes
>Are you infantry?
No
>Are you 50%+ obscured?
Yes
>Enjoy +1 armor saves

>>55115966
no
You can't make me accept it.

>>55115954
They were heavy Gundam from the start. It is a shame the Kroot have fallen out of focus though

How or the clown elves for a player who hasn't played since 5th? And are they viable to run completely on their own, or am I just suppose to use a small force of them to support a more fleshed out army?

>>55115983
So being behind a building but being 50% obscured does nothing now?

>>55115996
From what I've noticed they've gotten more updates than DE. So that's something.

When can we expect to get the admech rules for different forgeworlds? I dont want to paint my dudes up only for another forgeworld to get a cool gimmick that I would've wanted

>>55115996
I think you can use them on their own but it wouldn't be as good as allying them with Ynnari

>>55115979

Incident was refluffed as a Grey Knight and Sister team up, rather than armor-paint.

Similar refluffing with the Blood Angels and Necron team up, which turned out to be Necron trolling.

Basically, they went back and unfluffed a good deal of Ward's bullshit.

>>55115978
Original fluff emphasized allies/auxiliaries and stuff
Now the faction blurb mentions their defining trait as SUITS

>>55115973
Which is awesome cause then even our "good" guys are bad guys

>>55115961
>best trained
While I would say my countrymen are pretty damn well trained I'm not sure I would say the best. Personally I think Russian special forces are better and honestly I know next to nothing about the British army.

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>>55115898
>if a servant of Chaos spoke those holy passages aloud, their throats would catch fire.

this is what sisters of battle actually believe but that's bullshit

>>55116021
maybe he thinks budget = training

>>55115996
You can easily run them on their own
Troupes with embraces are monsters in combat against troops, and with fusion pistols they can go tank hunting in the back of a weaver.
So you have nothing to worry about there

Just be careful because you're going to have a low model count army, but you're still really squishy

>>55116006
>I dont want to paint my dudes up only for another forgeworld to get a cool gimmick that I would've wanted
>Painting to win
fuck off WAACer

>>55115791
We're not completely incapable of reasonable discussion, dickhead.

>>55116031
not painting to win. painting for a fun gimmick.

Like one forgeworld gets to field inquisition units or something cool like that and I'm stuck with the forgeworld that gets lots of plasma weaponry

>>55116006
>paint them like you want
>say they're from FW X
See that wasn't so hard now was it

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>>55115998

>>55116040
I dont want to be one those cunts who goes "I know I painted them like ultramarines but space wolves are really good this edition so they're actually spacewolves.

>>55116039
spess mehreen chapters didnt get anything that affects their army build like that so idk why you would imagine it goes like that

>>55116046
Thanks, I got fucked a few games then.

>>55116026
Well the budget does help a bit. However what mostly puts us near the top is that we are always at war. We have more or less not had a period of NOT fighting some group in decades at this point. So between the budget, the number of soldiers fielded, and having experienced soldiers general America maintains its military might. But this has lead to way too much money being poured into the military rather than infrastructure.

>>55114754
> screeching about screeching intensifies

>>55116049
well now you're not implying that you do it for fun gimmicks, now you're implying you're just a waacfag

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How accurate is this?

>>55115961
>better trained than any other force in the world

Brits/Australians say hi

>>55116021
If you're going on special forces it's the SAS at the top. The Americans have too many special forces all for specific reasons that it's difficult to place them. They regularly do competitions between forces. I seem to remember hearing that Japan's Special Forces ranked high. But that was years ago.

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Dark Hunters player at my FLGS brought a redemptor last night. How do i deal with this when i have no fast attack?

>>55116057
Read your manual then. Pg 181.

>>55116052
It's just an example. CSM got some cool shit. Being able to take elites as troops, or the alpha legion stuff where you can say any model is actually your hq

>>55116064
Read it into however you want. A waacfag wouldn't even be playing admech.

>>55116071
Brits and Aussies have less experience. Murrica spends more money on its army than both combined.

>>55115927
It 'literally' translates into Lionel Johnson, the author of the poem 'The Dark Angel', the son of the forest thing is supposedly a translation from the fictional calibanite language and therefore totally fabricated

>>55116069
Holy fuck that might actually be Lion's art inspiration

>>55116100
Spending more money doesn't equal better training.

>>55116100
Brits and Aussie's regularly get field experience thanks to us conflicts. Lots of nations send troops out to those little events

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>>55115961
>>55116021
>>55116079

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>>55115996
you're good anon, I play pure harlequins and I do decently, the one thing is they are super squishy, so that will probably take some getting used to depending how rusty you are.

>>55116084
Tell him he did a good job painting it.

Loyal Space Marine (@AGhostlerer), stop stealing other peoples works for your Twitter without at least saying it's not your work. Jesus Christ.

>>55116111
I am aware, but I believe if you split up the word into German it comes out the same. Long time since I did German so maybe I'm wrong.

>>55116084
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XTGO6o_nr30

>>55114628

You also reroll failed to-wound rolls on LC which can make all the difference in the world sometimes... especially if you're a horrible roller like me.

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>>55114903

>>55116069
Mostly inaccurate, but miss liz got a chuckle

>>55115868
>Ethereal, Fire Warriors, Crisis Suits
Is that really the best starting point for a suit-centered army?

>>55115927
>Lion's name literally translates into German as something like 'Lion of the Forest' or 'Forest of the Lion'
Lion'el Johnson?
translates to german?
maaaaaybe some really ancient german from medival times. Not contemporary german.
forest = Wald
lion = Löwe

>>55116120
This. In fact, I'd argue that militaries with (comparatively) smaller budgets can sometimes end up better trained because they have to be. Can't afford to train too many separate regiments, so you end up with a few that are trained to do several jobs.

>>55116158
look up the price for 3crisis
compare with price of SC box


yes it is.

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Sup Taufags

My brother is new to 40k and starting Tau. I don't know anything about Tau. I helped him come up with this list using shit he basically already has. How's it look?

We'll playtest it soon but I run DE for reference on what he'll be facing his first few matches (Reavers, Scourges, and DE vehicles plus some melee)

>>55116151
I miss the days when there were female Orks. It was a fun day. Especially when they wrote a short story about a Ork Hunter IG Group basically doing a Vietnam style village burning as they execute all the baby Orks. Funny shit.

Think that was in Let The Galaxy Burn Omnibus.

>>55116120
Literally fighting is the best training. Who does the most fighting? Murrica.

>>55116168
I thought it was, Lion, el, John, son. Or something. I dunno maybe I'm hallucinating. Disregard, I suck cocks.

>>55116182
Yeah, that's a great deal. Is there any cheap unit that's important to take? Stealth Suits and Optimized Pathfinders look interesting.

>>55116158
The value of the box is stupidly good. Might want to have some of the fwarriors and stuff too to fill out a list. Handy to have

>>55115898
Wait... Aren't witnesses of Grey Knights involvment killed after everything, besides Space Marines who are mind-wiped? Are sisters killed because of that or have they some priviliges?

>>55116183
Not terrible. Crisis loadout looks weak, triflamers is their best variant

>>55116197
Stealths are pretty great

>>55116183
>vanguard.
Why not Battalion? Get 3 fire warrior squads and a HQ ? You get 2 more tasty command points.

I'm pretty new to the game and have only started playing a few weeks ago when my friend gave me the Primaris half of the Know No Fear box. Since then I've manged to get the Primaris Half of the Dark Imperium Box as well as a Redemptor Dreadnought. What else should I pick up for my army. I'm playing them as Salamanders if that helps.

>>55116183

Let the Ethereal walk, he isn't disabled.

Cut the support turret.
Cut the marker drones.

Tell him Support Systems don't stack with itself, and even if he want it, should only take one.

Ask him what he want the Crisis to do, since I don't really get what he is doing.

Ghostkeel is cool

Pathfinder is cool, split in 2 teams if he can

Transport is cool, if he want some cheese he can swap for 2 SMSs.

That's all I can say.

>>55116189
You do realise the SAS are essentially always in combat in some part of the planet? We only found out they're in the Middle East due to a leak where they're fighting ISIS. Been doing it since Day 1 and were killing 30 a night with sniper rifles using quadbikes to get around. Sadly they said it's largely ineffective due to ISIS's command structure, but it makes the grunts worried and makes them cluster together more for easier bombing.

I still get pissed off with the Canadians using Special Forces and their high-tech .50cal sniper rifle to get the longest confirmed sniper shot kill back. They're obsessed with it. Canada produces insanely good snipers. It was originally Canadian, then a British guy did 3 shots, 3 hits, 2 kills (3rd shot was destroying an MG) in a row at the record range and he didn't know at the time. Canada got buttmad and used their special forces to get the kill back. That's like using CAG (Delta Force) or DECGRU (Seal Team Six) to fucking do it and then bragging your top guys can do top stuff. Most countries never announce their special forces operations or their results unless it's important (Osama Bin Laden kill) or outright impossible to ignore (Iran Embassy Hostage Situation).

>>55115027
It doesn't count as a guilty pleasure when you're too young to realise it's lame in the first place.

>>55116189
By your logic, those basket case countries in the middle east should have the best armed forces in the world. That's not how it works anon. Armies have to be trained well to be effective.

>>55115949
There is no rumor, there's just unfunny edgelords spamming 'lol gay' whilst fapping to female penis on /gif/

>>55116189
Only because they brag and hoot about it like orks. Other countries just get shit done.

>>55116236
>Let the Ethereal walk, he isn't disabled.
I'm betting it is the SC box hover ethereal

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I've never played SM before and think I want my second army to be WS. Any tips I could use or pitfalls to avoid?
Is it as simple as putting fucking everything with bikes in my list?

>>55116236
>>55116226

Thanks for the advice anons!

>>55116245
To be fair, they do have good soldiers. The veterans are good at fighting those kind of wars. Trial by Fire, same shit that happened in Stalingrad, get good or get dead. It's just they're not trained to a high standard before they go into battle.

It's why it's such a shit show because it's difficult to fight a force that's armed one min, ducks into a building with civilians, hides his gun and becomes a civilian.

>>55116264
It's a face that The Lion is based on a poet called Lionel Johnson who wrote a poem called The Dark Angels which is about him fighting his homosexual desires. The shit about The Rock being a gay club in Nottingham has no basis as far as I can see.

>>55116024

Speaking a Daemon's true name will cause you to lose your mind. Grey Knights have hexagrammic wards etched into their bones, and if they speak a Daemon's true name, those wards will start to burn to protect them.

It's often the opposite case where someone of profound faith or words spoken in service of that profound faith are anathema to Daemons and the servants of Chaos, and the effect works in reverse.

>>55116216

Not all the time. Sometimes they permit others to not be killed or mind-wiped. Mostly those are Space Marines with whom they have an understanding, like the Space Wolves post-Armageddon War II, or the Silver Skulls who send them choice recruits. I also suppose they could just masquerade as the Silver Skulls and pretend to be regular, ordinary Space Marines.

Sisters might be on that list, if only because they're largely incorruptible themselves and also profoundly faithful. If a Sister says she'll keep a secret, she's going to take that secret to her hallowed grave. Also I suspect there's Chamber Militant privileges; you work with the Inquisition, I work with the Inquisition, sometimes we see some weird shit, and cut each other a little slack.

>>55116272
>235 / 43 / 67 / 1

It should be. This list looks like a standard SC +extra build. You can choose not to glue the upper and lower part of the drone together, so you get to pick when he can fly and when he can walk.

>>55116274
If you want actual white scars, yes. If you just want their chapter tactics for a successor they synergize pretty well with foot troops and jump packs

just thinking about getting into this stuff. can I buy lady space marines (the catholic ones) and the vietnam war guys and put them in the same army as my space soldiers? I heard the new edition lets you kind of mix and match.

>>55116274
just build it like you would any spess mereen list but remove the girlyman and replace with bikes

>>55116142
Don't think so, that would only work if you somehow twisted his name to Lowe Sohn des / der Wald.
Personally, I think they should have just left it as the original from RT rule book, something like El'glynsson or similar.

>>55114877
Tau are commies, the worst kind of evil. Read Gulag Archipelago.

>>55116298
i agree about the daemons but i doubt that happens to csm or cultists. not so sure about the true name bit, i figured it followed Rumpelstiltskin rules where he just has to leave because you know his name

>>55116193
The whole thing is a mangled mess, desu. They started off with a completely obfuscated version of his name in Rogue Trader, then made it more obvious but played up the 'El' to invoke the imagery of the crusading Spanish knights, then somebody tried to convince everybody that Jonson somehow means forest.

>>55116298
>I also suppose they could just masquerade as the Silver Skulls and pretend to be regular, ordinary Space Marines.

>I'm a Librarian of my obscure chapter. These other 20 brothers of mine are also Librarians. Paperwork fuck up you know, too many Librarians and skimping on the Chaplains

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which chaos god has the best looking daemons?

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Got the basic shape of my warkopta figured out. Besides getting the remaining guns and covering it in general orky shit, any suggestions? I guess I need to order a big flying base eventually as well.

>>55116363
>Rigid caste-based society
>No redistribution, economy is post-scarcity
>Utilitarian structure with ultimately self-serving ideals
>Communist

What did he mean by this?

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>>55116322

>>55116411
Base model, Tzeentch; but Slaanesh can be amazing when converted to be fitting servants to the Lord of Aesthetics.

>>55116371

It's a bit odd how it works. Often speaking the True Name will banish the Daemon back to the Warp, and sometimes you can divine when he'll show up again later. Other times, it just weakens it enough that you can deliver the killing blow with conventional weaponry. In rare cases, using a True Name in combination with some fantastic faith powers can truly obliterate a Daemon, causing it a true death that it's never coming back from.

Rumplestiltskin rules apply, but it's a forceful fucking over by their own rules. Also why Daemons often make their already prodigiously long name convoluted, and often writhing with foul and mind-fucking meaning so that anyone who tries to unravel it will have a hard time and also go crazy.

>>55116425

B-but 'For the Greater Good' is their catch-cry, clearly they must be communist!

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>>55116084
Shoot at it until its dies.

Like bring fucking anti tank what the fuck do you want?

>>55116298

>Space Wolves post-Armageddon War II

Should be First War for Armageddon. First was Daemons, and Second and Third were Orks.

>>55116454
>>55116425
As I guy who started with 2nd ed, the link people draw between Tau and communism always seemed odd to me. I mean, I didn't know much about Tau (still don't, cause I don't care much), but back when I started it was the Imperial Guard that people would compare to communist Russia. Due to the wave after wave of troops, who cares if they all fucking die, mentality. I guess IG is just everyone from WWII now.

>>55116502
yeah I mean, how hard can it be to pack along a few lascannons for the road
or meltas
or plasmas
or missile launchers
actually what the fuck is this guy doing where he cant handle a single dread

>>55116274
All bikes is a bikes of a trap for Scars in 8th. You want SOME bikes, but since you can only use Born in the Saddle once per turn spamming bikes doesn't scale too well. Further bikes have more more shooting capability than melee capability, so you'd generally much rather fall back and shoot with them than fall back and charge. This means the Ultramarines are actually the strongest tactic for bike spam. Where Scars happen to REALLY shine is jump pack troops and their fly rule. Between fly and the CT it means your jump dudes can freely fall back (or forward, through their screening dudes), shoot, and charge. Opening up really powerful shenanigans equalled only by Harlequins.

>>55116539
>bikes of a trap
bit of a trap

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Hey guys,

I am a total 40k noob. I have a stupid question regarding a rule that I don't understand. Pic related.

Does this mean that if there is close melee combat going on. I fire a pistol into that combat, with a unit that is not part of it? Or is it only for the units engaged in the melee?

Sorry for the confusing question. It's probably simple, but it has me totally fucked...

>>55116523
I know I made the link at first because of the memes, but it broke down quickly after actually reading the lore.

>>55116548
Only if the combat involves his "own unit" (potentially including himself of course). Otherwise as written that rule does not apply.

>>55116084
>no fast attack
???
What are you playing. Elites and HS slots are enough

>>55116548
if you are within an inch it means you are engaged in close combat
units with pistols in close combat can shoot them at the guys they are fighting
a unit that is not involved in the combat cannot shoot into that melee because they are not allowed to get within 1 inch without chargeing

>>55116539
Thanks for the advice anon, I think I'd feel weird running a WS list with no bikes but sounds pretty strong/fun.

>>55116564
>>55116572
Thanks for the replies anons. I feel retarded now.

>>55116589
No doubt. I'd just recommend against ALL bikes.

are contemptor dreads any good in 8th? Anyone tried them out? I have a magnetized eggman just sitting around without much purpose at the moment

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So who are these guys again? Searching Lexicanum proved fruitless.

>>55116708
Where is the cake egg man?

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>>55116718
They're pretty obviously crusaders

>>55116718
Crusaders, I think.

>>55116708
Yes they are very good. Invulnerable save is great and having move 9 is fantastic when you need to grab shit.

>>55116454
>those greedy kulaks must be kill so the proletariat can thrive
>we must oppress the few to help the many, it's for the greater good! :^)
Commie
Shit
Socialism and communism are literally "Greater Good - The Ideology"

>>55116731
Who the hell are crusaders anyway? Just some random dudes that one day decided to go on a rampage through the galaxy?

>>55116766
Tau are not commies dipshit
they're indians

>>55116784
POO

Why are chosen such shit? I have a whole Burning of Propero's worth of MkIII Marines I wanted to use as chosen, but they're fucking garbage

>>55116718
>>55116767
http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Crusader

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>>55114931
Come on man, you could have had a toned back list with a Wolf Priest / rune Priest and some Grey Hunters to get him used to normal stuff and stick one of the dreads in to teach him to keep away from the big scary thing etc.

Not a cool list to take to a new player.
Save that for the local WAACfag.
So go play with yourself.

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How does this list look?
Just trying something center of the road

2000pts 7CP

Bat Deatach

HQ

Yarrick 130pts

Company Commander 39pts
Plasma Pistol Power Sword

Troops

Infantry Squad 47pts
Flamer

Infantry Squad 47pts
Flamer

Scions 142pts
Plasma Gun x2 Melta x2 Plasma Pistol Power Sword

Elites

Vets 133pts
Heavy Flamer Lascannon 3x Melta

Vets 118pts
Heavy Flamer Lascannon 3x Plasma

Heavy Support

Heavy Weapons Squad 62pts
2x Autocannon Lascannon

Transports

Chimera 102pts
Heavy Flamer Multilaser

Chimera 91pts
Heavy Bolter Heavy Bolter

Taurox Prime 108pts
Gatling Cannon Two Autocannons

Spearhead
HQ
Pask 257pts
Punisher, Lascannon MultiMelta

Primaris Psyker 40pts

Elite

Vindicare Assassin

Heavy Support
LR Battle Tank 178pts
Heavy Bolters x3

LR Demolisher Tank 205
Heavy Flamer x3

LR Executioner
Plasma Cannon x3

>>55114628
well, not having -1 to-hit might matter a lot. and the re=roll to wound. So bigger chance of wounding something not super-tough.

>>55114657
I named my scion command squad after members of the British union of fascists.
Led by commander Mosley.

>>55116827
Because they are a generalist in an army oozing with specialists.

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>>55116901

>>55116718
Some jackass pushovers that think they are Black Templars.

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>>55116901
Beautiful

>>55116842
>Scions 142pts
>Plasma Gun x2 Melta x2 Plasma Pistol Power Sword
splitting functional weapon type nigga why? also power sword is a waste of points

>Vets 133pts
>Heavy Flamer Lascannon 3x Melta
heavy flamer and a lascannon in the same squad is kinda dumb, one wants to be at the back one wants to be at the front

most of your weapon choices for the LRs seems a bit dumb and over expensive but i havnt played with all configurations yet so v0v

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How do you buy a primaris captain with gravis armor and gauntlet, without buying Dark Imperium? The only model I see sold separately is this weak guy wearing regular armor.

https://www.games-workshop.com/en-US/Primaris-Space-Marines-Captain

>>55117075
>heavy flamer and a lascannon in the same squad is kinda dumb
I agree heavy flamer is expensive but it also makes a super squishy unit somewhat scary to charge

>>55116216
According to standard fluff, yes, that's what's claimed to be 100% the case. But then you get into novels, and other codex fluff, and it turns out that everyone and their brother knows about these super secret better-than-everyone-else daemon hunters who regularly purge entire planets to erase their passing.

>>55117092
you go on Ebay and buy it off some schmuck who plays Death Guard

>>55117101
That's what happens when you have protagonists, Space Marines who are not allowed to be killed off and Grey Knights in a story.

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So I picked the Know No Fear set up on a whim on the way home. The models are actually pretty nice looking, even if they are monopose. I'm probably just going to use them for experiments in painting, but if I were to go all in on the Primaris Marines any advice? Aggressor and Inceptor spam looks fun and I dig the models.

Also, anyone painted up theirs in one of the Ultima Founding Chapter colours? I was thinking of giving it a whirl.

>>55117101
>>55117174
Pretty sure it's implied that every Chapter Master gets knowledge of the Grey Knights to call them in if they need help when they get promoted. Or at least the Founding Legion Chapters do.

>>55116929
So wtf do I do with my BoP set?

>>55117183
Repulsors. Just get repulsors. They're hilariously powerful for ~350pts

>>55117201
They look pretty good on paper, but if I do go in on these guys I'll probably keep them as foot sloggers. I like the Primaris models, especially now that I have a look at them in hand but I've never much enjoyed painting vehicles and that one looks particularly not so great.

>>55117199
What Legion are you?

Fuck it man, so crunching the numbers and run them as Chosen if you like the models. They're not the greatest choice point for point but that doesn't mean that they can't do the job. They're not outright terrible like some units in some armies, they're just overcosted.

>>55117232
Night Lords, so there is canon of us having MkIII, though we're mostly MKIV+, which is why I figured they'd make good chosen.

>>55114813
Nice fucking perm you fancypants lalaman.

>>55115927
Someone got paid to make that cover...

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>>55116084
Table Scabiethrax the bloated and tear that thing in half

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>>55117249
I'd use them to fill whatever gaps are in your current force then; worst case scenario just load them in a Rhino or two with either melee or special weapons and have them unload/charge. They're not going to out assault Khorne Berserkers, but they're still going to throw out a lot of attacks and have better guns to boot, as well as being the more fluffy choice for Night Lords.

>>55116128
Not accurate and burger shifted.

>>55116231
Salamanders? Those aggressors are looking mighty fluffy but other than that maybe look into reivers for disruption

>reading GK fluff
>Grandmasters can only be appointed by the unanimous decision of those in the ranks he would join
>Okay, neat.jpg
>... Apart from Voldus lol, Draigo does it on his own ecks dee

Why aren't the other Grandmasters having a fucking fit that Draigo decided in the 5 mins he had before being sucked back into the warp that he could appoint Voldus as what is essentially Chief Librarian. Also, pretty sure the last Chief Librarian got rekt by Magnus, yet the fluff says it was somebody else?

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>>55117342
SUPREME Grand Master Kaldor Draigo doesn't care about your opinion.

>>55117342
I'm guessing you didn't read the bit where Draigo is their Supreme Grand Master.

>>55115588
What do you think the Chinese are for then?

>>55116197
Stealthsuits are great for allowing your suits to deepstrike into flamer/fusion range via beacons, broadsides are decent ranged anti-armor and with target-lock/3markers they can fire on the move if needed, ghostkeels are pretty tanky and can draw a lot of threat if you want a distraction blueberry. Riptides are going cheap secondhand and are expected to get a buff when the codex drops so if you have a chance to grab one definitely consider it, as of right now they are overcosted but can still bring the pain (especially against hordes when using the HBC)

>>55117382
And? That's not what the fluff said


>Grandmasters can only be appointed by the unanimous decision of those in the ranks he would join
>CAN ONLY
>CAN ONLY
>CAN ONLY
>IT DOESN'T SAY "IF DRAIGO APPEARS AND AUTISTICALLY SAYS SO CAUSE HE HAS ADHD"

>>55117363
FUCK YOU DRAIGO.

>>55117409
Draigo, being the SUPREME Grand Master, presumably has final authority on the matter, regardless of previous rules. It's not a democracy.

>>55117409
Well he is Draigo, he can do whatever the fuck he wants.

>>55117284
Yea, alright then maybe. I only actually have one rhino, which I stick my melee csm.

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>>55117421
>>55117422
Reeee! Why doesn't it say that then? It's basically going 'Draigo could put fucking anybody in charge because lol Supreme Grand Master, fuck da rules!'

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>>55117409
WHEEEEEE

Draigo is the worst piece of fluff ever written for any faction and when a more competent writer tried to fix a few of his bullshit feats Ward rewrote "no they did happen and anyone saying otherwise is just in universe propaganda"

>>55117092
I mean, I don't see why you would, until he can replace the worthless sword with a gun of some kind he's overcosted and underperforming.

>>55117443
>The guy in charge has absolute authority granted to him by the grace of the God-Emperor

Yes, that is how the Imperium works.

>>55117447
What feats, exactly? Everything that Ward wrote has essentially be written over and over. The only thing that was officially retconned was Khornate Knights. Also Ward shouldn't have a fucking say, he quit GW, realised nobody likes his shit, then rejoined because MY SPIRITUAL LIEGE NEEDS ME.

Imagine a write off between Ward and ADB. Who would win in "oh my fuck what is this bullshit"?

>>55117467
Why does it say Grand Masters can ONLY be appointed by unanimous decision between Grandmasters when Draigo can just warp it and go "ahtuchally, I don't like him. Put this guy in charge." and then warp off. Seems stupid. Had it said 'Supreme Grand Masters can make decisions if the need is great enough without consulting the other Grand Masters', I could get that and ultimately I assume that's what he did. But it's not SAID.

>>55117473
I'm specifically talking about the "carved his name into Mortarian's heart" bullshit.
An audiobook tried to retcon by saying Kaldor knew Mortarian's true name which allowed him to perform such a feat, then Ward did a rewrite that stated he "didn't need to know the name of a daemon to slay it"

>>55117502
Well either way is fine in my opinion. Mortarion was weakened anyway. As for true name, who cares? Grey Knights have killed shit without the need, the difference only is, if you kill a daemon, it might be a material realm 1 Terran year before they return, but if you do it with a true name, it's 100 Terran years. Mortarion dying either way is kinda irrelevant.

>>55117473
>Imagine a write off between Ward and ADB. Who would win in "oh my fuck what is this bullshit"?
"I kill daemons regularly and managed to banish a daemon primarch after a long battle" vs "I outwill the four OMNIPOTENT Chaosgods and have a supermegaultra powerful daemon sword that can kill Primarchs by touching them and can easily kill the Emperor lol"
Not that Draigo isn't a bullshit character on his own, but Abadoobadoom is leagues above him, at least if you go full Carnac about it and chug the chaos kool-aid by the gallons.

>>55117447
wwhat is the best Tau sept and why is it Sa'cea ?

I know what's happening in 40k now

>Morty invades Ultramar
>big fight
>Morty and Girlyman duel
>Morty beats Girlyman and is about to finally kill him
>SUDDENLY WARP RIFT
>DRAIGO FALLS FROM UP HIGH AND KILLS MORTARION
>Girlyman is saved
>Mortarion sulks

There.

>>55117494
>seems stupid

Welcome to the 41st millennium and the most glorious Imperium of Mankind.

>>55117548
The stupid is they write something which blatantly isn't true. Just say Draigo can do what he want.

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Did DG and AM datacards from WD get shown yesterday?

Probably, but here they are anyway.

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>>55117569
>NURGLE models cannot suffer woulds from Nurgle's Rot - in fact, they find it rather refreshing.

I like little things like that.

>>55117543
That's a weird way to write Farsight Enclaves

>>55117569
>nurgles rot doesn't spawn plaguebearers

>>55117591
>Farsight Enclave
traitors out of my face
Shadowsun a best
Farsight is not my Shas'O and is probably corrupted by chaos as well :DDD
ok praise Aun'Va

>>55117537
Drach'nyen didn't look all that powerful, honestly. When they attacked it with a Cybernetica battlegroup, a squad of Custodes and a few tanks they almost dealt with it, and aside from the possession trick it was just a big stompy daemon. Same problem Abbadon and the non-Daemon Primarchs have, they show up to a big battle and they're going to look very impressive for the next three seconds before a Titan volcano cannon turns them from biology into physics.
Given we know that nuking a Primarch is pretty much a guaranteed kill from Istvaan V and the Traitor Legions know this because they did it, I'm surprised Guilliman survived the Indomitus Crusade unless he stayed on his flagship and used his magic strategy powers.

>>55117609
Fuck ethereals.

>>55117618
i cannot wait for Farsight to be a chaos spawn
face it, the ethereals are the only thing that protect tau from Chaos, Farsight just didn't realised this

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So according to the leaks Necrons and Tau get codexs before Orks right.....

>>55117655
if it make you better just think that the tyrranids will have their codex after the orks

>>55117095
>somewhat scary to charge
i mean if it werent on a unit that has t3 with a 5+ save i would be inclined to agree with you but its really expensive and wont stop units that want to charge you from charging you leading to maybe a kill or 2.

>>55117616
If I remember correctly from Dark Imperium he didn't really lead charges and just stayed back. Also in defense of primarch's plot armour, if they have minimal battle knowledge they can scan the battlefield and monitor potential threads so they can fuck off if they are being targeted by a nuke or what not (since we must assume they have personal teleportariums or thunderhawks ready to pick them up or what not)

>>55117664
According to the leak Tyranids got theirs early too...