Theme Crews Edition

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>>55105016
Old thread: >>55042520

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>>55105016
>>55104179
>>55103403
In the interestes of you being allowed to leave your house with your models, is there any theme besides Islamic extremist pigs that appeals for your Ulix?

>>55105016
I was just about to request those pictures. Now i dont have to. Thank you.

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>>55105292
Then I'll dump the rest up.
It's a fucking gorgeous crew, it deserves airtime.

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>>55105292
>>55105597

>>55105016
Ya did it again. Still, thanks for making a new OP.

What strats do the different TT masters excel at?

>>55105943
McCabe and Shen tend to excel at all of them. Don't bother with the rest.

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>>55105943
>Ya did it again.
Nope, different guy, same dumb mistake.
I assumed the first field would come first.

>>55105943
>What strats do the different TT masters excel at?
I'd like to know that too, actually.
Lynch is always talked up as killy, as are Asami and Misaki, Brewmaster can lock down a centre zone, and Shen and McCabe can apparently do anything and everything, but I'm not sure where Yan Lo and Mei shine.

I present my most obnoxious 'theme crew' model.

>>55105943
Shenlong and Asami have you covered.

Really if Zip didn't exist Shenlong would have you covered once you really learn him.

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>>55105996
>Don't bother with the rest.
Why you got to be like dat mang?

Seriously, teir-ing Masters and dismissing the "weak" ones is this scene's most irritating habit.

>>55106041
Mei feng is usually a counter pick or if you want to just be an annoying prick because Komainu spam is really fucking annoying.

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>>55106058
>Zip crushes Shen
How?
I assume I'm missing an obvious interaction-blocker...

>>55106068
Welcome to the game where list selection is free.

Zipps No Quarter upgrade forces you to discard a card every time a master or henchman declares a (0) action while within aura 6 of him. Plop him down near Shenlong or Sensei Yu and that's like 4 discards per turn unless you just don't use disciple or half of Shenlongs card.

>>55104398
Have the pic on hard drive? Sounds ridiculous.

Anyone else get terrified when they received their order and saw that the back of the box listed the contents as '2 Kentauroi'?

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>>55106255
>'2 Kentauroi'
Wyrd packaging is still a shitshow.

>>55106287
Even the wave 5 book has quite a few typeos. Guess they're really pushing it with the staff they've got.

>>55106287
The third one in the box is a gencon bonus.

>>55106563
Wtf, why? The shit costs $40 and jorogumo come packed 3. Can't imagine these fucks costing that much more to produce.

>>55106613
I guess that they are in line with the Mounted Guard. I can't believe that I missed out on the third Kentaroi though. That is a case where the sale on the Wyrd store was and actual discount.

>>55106991
But the jorogumo are larger. Guess profit was too low on them or something. Maybe it's an indicator of hard times at the Wyrd headquarters.

>>55107385
The Jorogumo were probably three to a box because they can be summoned. I imagine that they capped the box set at $40 as they seem to not want any Malifaux product to be too expensive.

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>>55107463
Still man, seems like an awful lot just for those two.
The single opposite of the two is labeled as ALT KENTAUROI. Man, fuck Wyrd.

>>55107941
That is very true. The Jorogumo were on two BIG sprues, whereas at retail the Kentaroi will be on one skinny sprue as with the Mounted Guard for the same price. Also thinking back to their rules, Kentaroi can be summoned so I guess that they just price things however at points.

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More shit theme crew!

>>55107941
>Still man, seems like an awful lot just for those two.
No fucking kidding bro.

Gone are the days when I pretend to myself that Wyd's pricing is better than most others on the market.

>>55108490
To be fair their plastics have been generally consistent in pricing, and the plastic models are often priced cheaper than their metal equivalents. Ashes & Dust for instance is $10 cheaper than the metal one. For big monsters, they are certainly below par for the market. For normal sized individual dudes, they are average.

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New GG18 beta

I'm happy with the direction things have gone.

>>55108490
It is through the site for early release though. Any other online retailers are way cheaper for general releases.
>>55108573
Is this counting metals at market? I got ashes for 10 shipped and those fucks are infinitely cheaper to produce. He ain't even all metal.

>>55108642
What changed?

>>55108642
Where did they publish it?

>>55108776
Summoned models count as peons.
>>55108779
On the forums, announcements I think.

>>55108676
I am looking at metals, at retail price at that.

>>55108822
>Summoned models count as peons
Not anymore, they still don't count in Ours, but work as normal in other strats.

>>55108853
Thank god.

Don't touch my boy Sommer

>>55108853
Noooooooooo.
Ty for the update anon.
>>55108851
Ok, cause M1e had some seriously shit sculpts. Donno how they stayed afloat then. And I'm not hating on the style, Leveticus was quite cartoonishly and I likes his models. That's also probably why there are still so many on the secondary market.

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>>55108642
>New GG!
Hype!
I look forward to the next wave of podcast bitching - it makes for solid painting and biking listening.

>>55108573
It's still $20 per horsey.
I know they are more delicate and such, so are very well casted, but they still aren't the sharpest casts on the market (not that I have many complaints about that) so it seems a little high.

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>>55108776
>>55108853
>>55108872
The "Unplanned" thing is hideously inelegant, but there needs to be something to wind back summoning.
If nothing else, it's fucking boring as shit to see every Extraction table Somer/Nico/Ramos.

I like that Symbols of Authority's placement restrictions force you to put one forwards, and they fixed the Public Execution marker thing.
Don't know why Ply for Information now has the Sever damage clause on it - there's some book-keeping to forget.

But most importantly of all:
>Supply Wagon.
That's great, but it's also a 0-0 if you pull it on Corner, and an insane advantage to deploying second in Flank.

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>>55108642
>Always Scheme:
>Hidden Trap
Sick bruh.

>Masks: Hold Up Their Forces
Still think this is a dumb scheme that is far too easy to deny points 2 and 3.
>Crows: Decay
Wut. Why?
>Tomes: Buried Treasure
No longer impossible to score, cool.
>Rams: Collect Evidence
That's actually a pretty smart change to avoid a slow play then three-VP turn.

>5: Strand of Fate
Claim Jump and Protect Territory simultaneously. Ok I guess?
>9: Vigilante
"If Vendetta fucked Frame for Murder, would hte baby be cool?" Maybe.
>10: Take one for the Team
You've even highlighted the fucking typo. You added about four words and still published it with the typo. Christ.

All in all, I think this is going in a good direction though.

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I know the Malifaux discord died, but this one has some discussion on the game https://discord.gg/GBcypkT

Big warhammer bias though, could do with more malifaux players

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>>55109599
>Pink Gremlins
Gross.

Been thinking about doing a Bayou list with McMourning. He can hire Burt and Gracie as mercs, and pics as beasts and fill out the rest with the be undead gremlins.

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>>55110193
But why male models?

What're the general feelings on the Rogue Necromancy nowadays?

>>55113259
It's pretty handy. I love using it with Annah, who will shoot anything that it is engaged with in order to make it fail a WP duel, in order to get free attacks. You can put out a lot of hurt just like that.

>>55113704
It's a shame Anna is so ugly and awkward.

If I want to weeaboo martial art and kick ass in a fight what should I get into?

Viktoria, Misaki, Mei Feng, Shen Long?

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>>55116195
Definitely Shlong - he is all about the Asian fightan magic.
He even has differentstylesof kung fu that let him use flame/poison etc. for added weeb lightshow effect.

>>55116195
Mei Feng, Shenlong and Misaki. Of course Wong is the best asian wizard.

>>55115146
I like that she looks like a super stern linrarian and has awful people skills. Makes her relatable to me. Though I dont murder people or enslave them.

>>55110193
Wild boars or the sow (for piglet summoning) seem best forhim. Hire a hog whisperer not burt.

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>>55115146
>>55116877
>It's a shame Anna is so ugly and awkward.
As a character or model?
The first is the point, the latter is just wrong.

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>>55116883
>>55110193
Why in the world is the Hog Whisperer a Merc?
Was pig-Marcus a thing back in book 1?

>>55116928
Because in version 1.0 Gremlins belonged to Outcasts and outcasts were predominantly mercs

>>55116866
Wong doesn't do melee
Also saying 3 out of 4 choices given doesn't help at all.

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>>55110193
What are the limits on McMourning's Beast hires?
Sure he doesn't get the same pool as Marcus?

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>>55116939
But the rest of the Gremlin faction isn't Merc.
Why Hog Whisperers?

>>55113704
She does not target wp with any of her attacks though

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>>55116977
Horror check on a trigger.
But it's Wp12, so hardly difficult.

>>55116906
I assumed they were talking about character when I replied but some people dislike the model.

>>55116945
No he dpesnt melee but he is better and ultra asian. Get wong, burt, gracie and go beat up yan lo players because you are now big trouble in little china.
Shenlongs bix has useless minions but a great henchman, its better to get after you own some other stuff. Torakage are rather versatile so getting misakis box should work, then look into ten thunders brothers then shenlong.

>>55116951
Max 4, beyond that hes marcus now.
>>55116974
For marcus and to pair with gracie plus zoraida can take wild boars.

>>55116977
Her melee canbut its ml5

Who is hype for nix in gather intel? Also levi will dominate that fragile one by burying till end of turn, or tara burying the model, or guild lawyers hard to wounding it up.

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>>55117200
>hype for nix in gather intel
Why?

>Decay
Considering that you can score it Turn 1, it looks like a minimum of 2 free VP to any crew, period.
Aside from that, there's a metric shit-ton of stuff that can virtually guarantee it even without shenanigans.

If Levi is Buried at the end of his activation and unburies at the start of the next turn, is he "in play" at the end of the turn?
I thought that was the whole problem with Assassinate-like set-ups.

I´m new on the game, i´ve bought titania, teddy and primordial magic, how i should continue?

Can I play Hamelin without Brotherhood of the Rat? Would it be as effective as playing with the box?

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>>55117793
Play half a dozen games before you pick up more stuff.
If you haven't played any games before, I'd start at 20-30ss for the first couple - there's a lot of shit to keep track of.

After that, the easiest is another crew box - Lilith's Mother of Monsters(?) has good objective scorers and very strong henchman.

>>55117893
You can, but it won't be as effective as you'll lack the rat models to do the rat engine properly.
You can still do the active Hamelin shit that he's good at though.
On the upside, people will actually play you.

>>55117955
(titania guy) i´ve allready played several games, i´m looking for models which works well with the titania scheme play

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Good news everybody!
Nekima's shitty sword is a separate piece!

>>55117988
Well in that case, Lilith's box as I said.
Insidious Madnesses are another strong option for fast scheme runners, but that are a fair bit more expensive I think.

>>55117955
Also, I belive it is important to know for a new Hamelin player, as I see this term being used everywhere... What is "rat engine" exactly?

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>>55118176
The boring shitty algorithm you run through at the start of each turn to burn activations, meaning you activate nothing of worth until after the opponent has activated all their models and is unable to react to your moves.

From memory, it is something like:

Rat 1
Rat 2 (move to Rat 1 and 3)
Rat 3 (activate, is forced to sacrifice and summon a Rat King)
Rat King (sacrifice to summon a Rat 4 and a Rat Catcher)

If you have more Rats, you can move Rat 4 to them to make a Rat king and get another cycle.
You can also use another model (Wretches?) to attack a Rat with 'Throw Rat', which summons yet another Rat, allowing you to repeat the cycle again, or next turn.

You can get 6 activations for the price of three Rats - 6ss.

This will usually leave you with about 40ss-worth of models acting almost unopposed for the majority of the game.

Details are probably wrong, but that's the essence of it.

>>55117603
Gather intel is removed by severe damage. You cant do that to nix.

>>55118273
Or models around him iirc

>>55117988
Doubling down on Lilith, Barbaross doesn't do schemes, but him and Tita in tandem are nastylicious.

This link is old but has good information.
http://www.malifauxmusings.com/2016/08/on-her-majestys-secret-service.html

>>55118229
But doesn't that mean that my opponent can also do whatever they want while I'm busy with rat breeding?

>>55117793
Barbaros and Tannen synergize nicely with her. Barbaros puts him his wp 14 duel if you target anyone but her, Tannen prevents cheating unless you discard, and Titania puts She Will End Us All on beaters. Now your opponents beaters have to pass a tn 14 wp duel to attack anyone but Barbaros, or discard 2 cards to attack anyone but Titania.

McTavish is a good merc hire for her, Nekima is a strong hire in any neverborn crew and Nekima with QC and Malifaux provides is just absurd.

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>>55118346
Only if you feel like letting them - you still have the freedom to activate your 'relevant' models at any time.

As I understand it, this is usually done Turn 1 and 2 - by then, your opponent .must. commit to a course of action, or they won't have the AP or Turns to complete their objectives. This lets you be fully reactive in the early jockeying for position, without actually giving up any control on the tempo of the game. If they are going for schemes in your half, or piling into the centre, you see that and can respond with close-to-perfect positioning, because you don't have to worry about giving away your plans, or being ambushed.
Later in the game, it's useful for the same thing - hold just outside of charge range and burn ractivations until your opponent has to move in to try adn claim objectives, then counter-charge.

The biggest problem with them is the book-keeping of who activated/is slow/needs to move where, and avoiding accidentally blocking your own movement lanes.
Also it takes eleven hours to do a turn with a billion activations, which is no fun for anyone.

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>>55118273
>>55118282
>Or models around him iirc
Fucking Hamelin crew bullshit motherfucker.
Gawd I hate him.

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My local store is going to bring Malifaux, and I'm in love with the "Sucker Punch" vibe this crew gives.
Is there anything I should know about them?

>>55118346
If your opponent is forced to activate their important models before you you get to react to everything they do with zero space for counterplay. Even in normal games where you're one or two activations behind this ramps up in effectiveness drastically. When Hamelin pops in with some 12-14 activations a turn you have to commit all your models, some times before reaching your opponent, after which your opponent can scheme, send in some 12ish SS beatstick or reposition as they like. It's not just a huge advantage, more importantly it's incredibly boring to play against as it takes away the reactive nature of Malifaux and replaces it with "You do your turns then I'll do mine".

What sort of beasts are people looking to take with McMourning now? Just double down on Poison with things like the Rattler, or..?

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>>55119020
I'm not so sure the Rattler is ever the right pick - as far as Poison output it's ok, but it's not really tough enough to the tarpit job that its abilities are built around.

I'd guess fast beasts to go with rapid-Push Doug, so he has more support when he does his Turn 2 down your throat bullshit.

But I'm not a Guild or Ressur player, so I'm not so sure.

>>55119020
Scorrpius

>>55119020
Scorpius is finally good with McM. Grootslang and Dawn Serpent are interesting choices.

>>55118698
They a are all about alpha striking and killing a bunch of dudes, before dying themselves. Great if you have anything that calls for lots of dead models like Hunting Party.

>>55105597
>>55105708
Gracias. I want to paint Latigo Posse with that style.

>>55119020
A Cerberus with debt or my little helper could be nasty
Rogue Necro into guild with is also interesting with the extra AP you can give it (Judge, domador, abuela)
Dawn serpent is another interesting potential hire

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>>55119321

I'm a little confused. What is 'the Event' in the fluff? What exactly is ascension, does it just mean getting lots of power? How did Sonia trap Cherufe at first? The Governor-General became the Burning Man? Does that make him a Tyrant now? Where's he? Is Sonia powerless now then?

>>55120094
The event is when a thing called the Red Cage crashed down to Malifaux. Ascension is basically attaining godhood level powers. Sonnia didin't trap Cherufe, Cherufe was originally in the red cage, but when it crashed it broke and unleashed the energies that caused the avatar transofmations, and Cherufe went and bonded its essence with Sonnia, which got contained by the mask she wears. The GG tried to become a Tyrant, but McCabe gave him the wrong bones on purpose so the ritual got fucked and he bonded with Cherufe to become the Burning Man.

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>>55119321

>>55120190
Er, what are avatar transformations? And is there a new Governor-General? I never see his name, it's always 'the GG' so I thought they'd never actually let him do stuff.

>>55120492
Avatar transformations are the various masters of the game basically becoming Tyrants for a limited time. The old GG, who joined with Cherufe and became the Burning Man, was named Kitchener. There's a new GG now named Marlow.

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>>55120190
>Sonnia didn't trap Cherufe
>Cherufe went and bonded its essence with Sonnia, which got contained by the mask she wears.
I though Sonia donned the mask to contain Cherufe?

>>55119321
>>55120047
>>55120205
Execturioner close-up

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>>55120190
>McCabe gave him the wrong bones on purpose so the ritual got fucked and he bonded with Cherufe to become the Burning Man.

God DAMN it Luke, you tit.
I haven't actually read the fluff yet myself - did Lucas know it was going to go wrong like this, or was he just trying to make sue the GG didn't becoem supergod and unaware of the consequences?

>>55116906
The model.
Worst interpretation of glasses, terribly shaped face, poorly defined decorative comb, shoulder-arm armor was completely neutered, awful implementation of armor dress, and the pose isn't dynamic or even subtly interesting. It's just boring. Though the hair is well done.

>>55121065
Are these your customs? They look insanely good.

>>55121065
No, the mask was put on her. At the time she was a flaming rage monster trying to burn everything.

>>55121092
He was given the wrong bones by the 10T to thwart the ritual on purpose. I don't think anyone knew what the actual end result would be.

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>>55121125
I'll give you the glasses, they are fucking terrible, but I think the rest is a bit much.

>>55121193
>No, the mask was put on her. At the time she was a flaming rage monster trying to burn everything.
Right, so the mask is there to contain Cherufe, it just wasn't (necessarily) Sonia's idea.

>I don't think anyone knew what the actual end result (of wrecking Matheson's ritual) would be
As long as Fireman Sam doesn't turn out to be Just As (Yan Lo) Planned, then that's fine.

>>55121156
No, it's a guy called HaychDee.
Has a good blog with some of his work on it, such as Pic Related - before and after Jackalope re-summoning off a dead Beast.

>>55119309
Oh so a glass cannon crew.
That seems nice, anything else?

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>>55121065
>>55120205
I will never be able to do it as good as that.

>>55121464
>before and after Jackalope re-summoning off a dead Beast
This dude is seriously wicked. Thanks for the name. Wish he had some tutorials. I know there are a bunch online and the Kingdom Death ones are often all the explanation you need, just want to hear his take.

What nonmasters provide the best buffs. Outside of TT, doesn't seem like many models are into that specialization.

Are any of you guys going to use either of Mei Feng's new upgrades? I get surprisingly little use out of the existing ones, and am wondering how I should proceed.

>>55119250

What makes it finally good? Just that Doug supports Poison as a real threat and not just an inconvenience?

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>>55121643
>>55121725
Monstrous, isn't it?
Moar HaychDee. The rest of the crew is a bit less extra.

>>55122284
>I get surprisingly little use out of the existing ones,
Really?
I don't think I go a game with her without pulling off a Streetfighter combo, the Vapourmancy attack is great and Vent trigger is a 'most games' use.

The Press The Advantage upgrade looks great to chain a Jackhammer Kick into a Seismic Claws combo when I can't land that charge within 1" for the first hit.
Effectively adds 2" to her 'properly effective' threat range - you won't have to effectively waste that first attack to get into Tiger Claw range.

I tend to missile Mei anyway, use her to roadblock a crew while the slobs trudge up to the centre, so I don't know if/how I'll actually use the Passenger Line upgrade.

>>55121744
In Outcasts the Hodgepodge Emissary provides amazing buffs such as "dont mind me" or the ability to kill yourself for reactivate. Aionus can hand out fast but hes not super efficient at it. Wrath from the crossroads seven in neverborn provides +1 to melee damage in an aura. Captain Dashel is a guard buffing machine. Lenny and Sparks are bufflords of Gremlins. Myranda buffs shit in arcanists. Ressurs have a big group of models that buff each other in the form of spirits, who can give out adversary to give each other + flips against that model.

>>55121539
They have some small amount of support for mercenaries and they can heal themselves pretty damn well but they are made of glass so they usually dont end up on low health then heal, but rather end up dead. Generally speaking you take them to tear your opponents best stuff into tiny pieces then have your other guys run around and do the objectives. If you liked sucker punch for whatever reason you might want to check out Misaki and the "samurai" models, as samurai have giant gatling cannons like in that film.

>>55122471
Yeah. Poison in Arcanists has always been a cute trick. With McM it's actually a thing to worry about.

>>55121744
Ressers have some. Tishiro, but he's tt to. Rafkin has a sweet aura, Mortimer's fling rot it's pretty huge too. Rotten is new, but she's a big support pieces. Nurses are swank too adding mobility and turning any model in a beat stick.

Marcus questions.

What upgrades do you like to take? Will either of his new ones see much use?

What beasts are high priority buys after his crew, both in and out of faction?

People seem to feel he holds onto his own niche in spite of Sandeep. Do you agree or is he just a player preference choice?

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>>55122917
>If you liked sucker punch for whatever reason
>the "samurai" models have giant gatling cannons like in that film.
Jesus, how did I never make that link.

>>55122929
My local Doug player doesn't take Flesh Constructs because the Performer's Siren Call trigger Sip of Wine is such a good mini-Expunge.
Arcanists have it as more than a cute trick.

>>55119167
The Razorspine rattler's lacking tankiness actually is fairly easy to fix with mcmourning. Doug can take guild lawyers to give it hard to wound, which with its 6 defense and 9 wounds will make it plenty tanky and remember doug gives beasts regen with his beast hiring upgrade plus he can take guild guardians for defensive +2 or use the nurse to give it armor 2 at the cost to - to all duels, which won't matter for its disengaging strikes since it gets ++.

One big thing to consider though is the rogue necromancy. Now you might say Doug can already hire that, which is true, but NOW he can hire it in guild so he can hand out precise to it! A Rogue necro ignoring armor and hard to wound is fucking spooky! Worth noting this applies to the valedictorian and students as well.
>>55123089
Your doug doesn't just transfuse the poison onto the enemy first? Besides doug doesn't need to hire flesh constructs, he summons em!

>>55119020
Rougarou + Belles will be an interesting combo, as will rougarou + any other push/place effects from guild or ressurs. Rougarou plus cojo is another thing worth considering, especially since mcmourning can shit out the scheme markers for him to eat to get defensive and/or use guild lawyers/nurses to beef up his defenses. Plus the constant 1 hp regen from doug's new upgrade will keep him triggering his hard to kill.

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>>55123120
>Your doug doesn't just transfuse the poison onto the enemy first?
Not if you go for Colette's patented Disappearing Act-Prompt-Siren Call to nuke the toxin battery.
Can't Transfuse if your reservoirs keep killing themselves.

>doug gives beasts regen with his beast hiring upgrade
That's pretty gr8 m8... Damn.

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Does anyone have clear pics of Colette's upgrades?

The last couple Isaw were basically unreadable.

>>55123028
I think it would be Blessed of December/ another Cerberus first of all. I think Molemen and Raptors are also nice with him.
Overall Dawn Serpent and Rogue Necromancy seem to be nice to him.

Please correct me if i am wrong.

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>>55123734
That all fits with what I hear.
Another Sabretooth Cerberus should be a priority.
I know when one of my buddies started Marcus he was intensely frustrated that he had to either leave the Cerberus in reserve or have Myranda turn into Cojo.

>>55123562
Shouldn't really be a problem. If you've got nurses, that's potentially poison 10+ on a friendly model, and accomplice so Mc can shift then all before the opponent can react.

When Doug hires Myranda, she can still transform into an Arcanist beast right?

>>55123181
My favorite Rougarou+ combo is definitely Rougarou+Tooth it's so silly for 15SS

>>55124178
Should be, yes? It is on her card, not some arcanist upgrade i think?

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>>55124085
To be fair, we've not done that match-up in a good long time, but I used to take a Freikorps Trapper to knock down models that I don't like - Nurses being a prime target, as is the Malifaux Child.
It does help that with Colette you can put him somewhere that looks like you are blocking a movement lane, double focus, and then Prompt him into LoS for the +++shot ++damage attack. Can usually hit the lower-Df target with enough +flips to land a Severe, often with a Ram because people are less prone to cheating against overwhelming numbers of cards.

>>55124537

Right. Just wanted to make sure there wasn't some rules interaction I was missing

>>55124890
Snipers usually aren't a problem. Nurses are pretty easy to keep out of line of sight behind other models or terrain as they move up. Flesh constructs for example make excellent mobile cover.

Austringers are a bitch though.

>>55122284
The problem with her new upgrades is that they aren't Vapormancy, Seismic Claws, Misdirection or Recalled Training. And they're not even close. So yeah. Dunno about Arcanists.

>>55125367
As a TT player, I definitely am not going to be ditching recalled training. Thanks for the advice.

>>55125515
Huh, with Mei I find Recalled Training at best a late game swap. Seismic Claws is needed for wombocombo, Vapormancy gives the Vent Steam trigger saving AP and ///3 on Ca7 and blast and Misdirection is perfect for a master who constantly finds herself amongst enemies and half a dozen Komainu.

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>>55125217
The Trapper serves as a movement limiter just as efficiently that way too, but you are right, there are ways around it.

>>55125367
As a Mei-playing Arcanist, that is exactly the gap I see Press the Advantage filling - I don't usually take Arcane Reservoir with her, so being able to take her fully into Street Fighter mode is looking pretty good.
It also gives her a chance to bounce away afterwards, which is nice.

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>>55125608
Misdirection always seemed a bit pricey to me.
I guess holding those Masks isn't such a burden, but it does mean you need to keep alternate targets within range of the brawl, which doesn't really work with how I play her.

I usually take RT on her purely because it works out more cost-effective than keeping it in the cache.

>>55128122
Even if it's just you surrounded by enemies it's a great card either draining them of resources or AP/Wds. I can't imagine playing Mei in a scenario where I'm never near at least two units (friend or foe) and at that point it is well worth the extra SS. And with any mask triggering either her move or Misdirect your presence alone is such a burden with double discard, a wasted AP or a constantly shifting engagement range being a very real possibility at all times. Take a defensive stance if you're finding yourself in a decent position and you're at 50/50. I mean it's good with all of TT's close combat masters but Mei is essentially who it is made for.

>>55128361
I have to say the same. Mei is all about hopping around and beating up clumps of dudes. Misdirection is for all the more aggressive TT masters to make wedging them in a group of enemies super annoying, which is what Mei excels with anyways. To get the masks you may want to have a decently sized cache though, not unlike how you would run Misaki with Misdirection on her.

"

Played Ironsides last night with the 2 new upgrades + warding runes into Nicodem.

Damn, they really shake things up!

With an adrenaline +1 on activation, you can now basically catapult Ironsides into an enemy Crew turn 1 with her 0 place action at 21 inches away, without pushes from any other model. Quick setup for a turn 2 adrenaline rush if enemy models bunch up together. Also helps that you're not losing 1 adrenaline each turn, so by turn 2 you can already combo into a decent uppercut.

The 0 challenge action means Ironsides will have to go first if you want to protect your models, so that makes the healing trigger for brass knuckles a little less useful if the opponent piles into Ironsides after her activation. It also competes for the trigger into uppercut. Still, it's a good heal with the 2/3/4 potential, especially at the end of a brass-uppercut-brass combo.

Managed to chain a 4 hit combo with one AP, taking out a hurt Nicodem, a hurt Toshiro, and a full health Rogue Necromancy in one activation, while healing 6 from the brink of death. A very impressive outing."

Just an interesting bit of player experience to consider.

>>55129227
Nico likes to clump, it's a pretty ideal situation for Ironsides.

>>55122850
>>55122983
Thanks for recommendations.
Sadly does seem like teh durability or combat oriented stuff is still harder to find.

>>55130292
I think that pretty much every faction has is support pieces. Some are better than others though.

Rapid growth leagues favor summoners and alpha strikers right? So mcmourning fits both. Who else fits this category, dreamer?

>>55132835
A nekima grow list springs to mind too, but I don't think there's really any point in trying to cheese a slow grow league.

>>55133310
Im more trying to stand a chance. Feels like a lot of my masters will suck in it and I know the other players are better than me. VS or tara maybe? Focus on having more ap than the foe? Jack Daw could lump upgrades onto an enemy beater and its doubtful theycan afford more than one big beater.

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Any of you tried to make a homebrew unit before? how'd it go? was it fun?
Me and my usual opponent have been talking of making a neverborn iteration of Baba Yaga.

If hodgepodge emissarygives the monkeys pawto a model and that model uses it but then a terracotta warrior from levi or parkers emissary detaches it do they still die? What if they get buried after detaching it?

>>55133475
Like say... Zoraida? If I was going to do NB baba yaha id do the chicken leg hut, since zoraida is BY and the riders are BYs horsremen. Only the hut is needed.
Sometimes I consider homebrewing von schtook or converting TTB shit like the corpse picker.

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>>55133475
I've tried on a spare afternoon before, but there's so much latitude to write things on a card it was virtually impossible to actually balance.
And the algorithm for calculating Soulstone cost must be a baffling and convoluted mess, because I had a look at some cards and couldn't get a handle on it.

>>55133508
I thought Zoraida was closer to the swamp vodoo lady pulling all the strings, rather than Baba Yaga.
Does Z even have much to do with stealing children ?
>>55133548
My guess is the algorithm's are simpler than we imagine, and then adjusted alot in gameplay tests.

>>55133557
She is a world travelling swamp hag who controls fate. BY isnt just "steals children" she is almost 1 to 1 zoraida.

>>55133645
hm fair point.

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>>55133557
>>55133645
I'd have to agree there.
She IS Baba Yaga.

>>55133557
>My guess is the algorithm's are simpler than we imagine, and then adjusted alot in gameplay tests.
That's kind of my point - I don't have the patience to extensively playtest made up shit.

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>>55133475
I wish the game had a random fucko vampire.

Although at that point it might be jumping the shark.

>>55133668
The nephilim are kind of malifaux take on vampires. They would overlap thematically a bit.

>>55133664
>That's kind of my point - I don't have the patience to extensively playtest made up shit.
You could cut down on needed playtesting by designing the model to be used in a story encounter mission, not a typical game. Cuts down on the need for it to be perfectly balanced.

>>55133691
They're closer to brutish generic demons than vampires imho. They have a blood theme, sure, but i'd claim there's more to it than that.
>>55133668
Could be fun

>>55133668
Yin the pennangalan is a vampire.

>>55133705
>pale skinned monsters that get power from blood and corrupt others into more of themselves using their long fangs
>known to attack almost exclusively at night and take on bat like features as they grow in power

>>55133705
>They're closer to brutish generic demons than vampires imho

I think that it's just in appearance. there's little demonic to them in lore or in-game.

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Moar crew pictures!

People were talking about changes from the beta to the final book right? Did any chances occur to tanuki, grootslang, benny wolcomb, talos, neverborn nightmare lady or lady lynch?

>>55133668
I'm glad they don't. I'm a bit disappointed they added a werewolves.

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>>55118273
Hamelin fucking shit up for everyone else once again!

>>55136386
>tanuki
nope
>grootslang
hole in the wall was reworded to make it more clear that it's always immune to hazardous
>benny
swarm reworded to be more clear on what it does
>talos
nope
>serena
nope
>Gwyneth
After Party was switched back to Party Never Ends

>>55137049
Neat. Any other shit you noticed on any model thats worth mentioning? I dabble in guild, ressurs, TT and outcasts plus i play against all the factions regularly.

>>55136588
On a related note, I'm trying to think how how many of the new artist models I like.

They're having a pretty poor strike rate so far, and their werewolf I think is going to be a dislike.

>>55137084
I'm really not a fan of the new artwork, all of the 'diverse' body types creep me out, it's a mix of Tim Burton characters and fat people. The resser stuff looks fine though.

>>55137081
I only play neverborn and 10T, so that's all I looked at in the beta and in the book. If you have any specific models I can look them up, but I'm not going to go through the whole book looking for changes.

There have been new pictures of Lynch, The Dreamer, Von Schill and Lady Justice in previous threads. Would someone be so kind and post a picture of Zoraida, if there is one in Broken Promises and if it is different from the ones in previous books?
Would you also, please, post a picture of her new upgrades - Powerful Control and Poisoned Fate - so I can print them?
Thank you in advance :)

>>55137205
Ah, i was just wondering if there was something you'd already noticed you felt worth mentioning.

>>55137084
I'd have to go through it, but I think it's about 50/50 so far for me.

>>55137134
The new artist they got just isn't as polished as the previous guys. While I think that her work lends itself to some models, it seems to dominate the entire range. That said the artwork from their older artists seems to be better than ever, in Malifaux and in ToS material.

Though its a bit early to say what book six will bring, i do hope it brings more generic upgrades and more importantly new upgrades for the current henchmen. A lot of the older henchmen have fallen out of favor or could use a little bit of spicing up. Giving each henchman one or maybe even two upgrades (perhaps some of the unique enforcers as well) a little bit like what they have done with the masters would be awesome.

>>55138518
Agreed, I was super stoked to see the new generic grave digger for resers. I'd love to see more generic characters to help fluff out factions. Stuff like a run it the mill arcanist or a resser or Merc.

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>>55137084
>>55137134
>it's a mix of Tim Burton characters and fat people.
I think this is maybe it.
The older art was a bit sharper/edgier (don't kill me) whereas the new round is a bit too soft and fat and friendly.
To me, it doesn't really fit the aesthetic very well.

As >>55138095 says, the TOS art is still fire, so they probably just shifted most of the original artist's workload onto that in the hope that it will land if it looks pretty.

>>55138776
So true. I was elated that we got actual Steamfitters for the Miners and Steamfitters Union.

>>55138776
What? Thats the opposite of what i just asked for. I wanted more flavor for unique characters in the form of new upgrades.

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>>55138811

Just look at this goofy guy, leg day isn't a thing but arms day is every day. I'm just not a fan of this kooky new aesthetic, I like all of the old stuff because the weird body shapes are reserved for monsters and exceptionally creepy dudes like Mortimer. I like that the old stuff is more or less grounded in reality with the human characters.

I can't deny the new artists skill though.

I guess this is how people felt when the aesthetic changed between 1st and 2nd ed.

>>55139078
Misread what you said. More love for existing henchmen would be cool to.

>>55139332
I think they should reserve her for pretty much exclusively not human stuff. A couple models with weird proportions are fine, it makes them stand out. Not every model should be gaunt, gorilla or obese.

You know shits fucked when the flesh constructs have more human proportions.